Christianity Today: The Biggest Loser In The Alabama Senate Race Is Our “Severely Tarnished Christian Faith”

From the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today:

No matter the outcome of today’s special election in Alabama for a coveted US Senate seat, there is already one loser: Christian faith. When it comes to either matters of life and death or personal commitments of the human heart, no one will believe a word we say, perhaps for a generation. Christianity’s integrity is severely tarnished.

The race between Republican candidate Roy Moore and Democratic candidate Doug Jones has only put an exclamation point on a problem that has been festering for a year and a half—ever since a core of strident conservative Christians began to cheer for Donald Trump without qualification and a chorus of other believers decried that support as immoral.

The Christian leaders who have excused, ignored, or justified his unscrupulous behavior and his indecent rhetoric have only given credence to their critics who accuse them of hypocrisy. Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.

  • bkmn
    • JackFknTwist

      Let’s take the precedent established by Henry VIII – seize the religious churches and use them to provide non-profit social care.

      .Edit:…..even if Henry didn’t do that second bit !

      • JWC

        At least make them pay taxes and become more social responsible citizens

        • BlindBill

          we are paying them – look into how many tax dollars goes to “faith based initiatives” “faith based and community initiatives” “faith based and neighborhood partnerships” (the name keeps changing) …. should be easy google [community and faith based initiatives spending] or [budget]

          • JWC

            And what good coporate citizens when their neighborhoods need tem ( Mr Osteen)

          • Joseph Miceli

            Thank YOU George Fucking Bush.
            He looks better in hindsight, but he still wasn’t good.

          • Chucktech

            That whole Iraq war thing really is a major blemish on his patina.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Sigh. Remember when we though HE was the worst? We were so young and innocent then.

          • jerry

            And that, never in a million years, would the GOP come up with someone who could make him look smart?

          • Chucktech

            The silver lining of Trump is he’s too incompetent to do an Iraq.

          • F. K. Armstrong

            oh my gosh, I love that word patina !

      • Tawreos

        Can we turn some of the cooler ones into gay bars?

        • JackFknTwist

          Ahh, I miss gay bars so much .

          • David L. Caster

            I miss really good dance clubs that play romping good fun and uplifting anthemic music.

          • Chuck in NYC

            Horse Meat Disco — that’s the present-day equivalent in London and New York. Or a few roving international DJs like Kitty Glitter who play contemporary vocals. Forget getting any of that fun music at the Matinee parties anywhere in the world — or from most of the DJs that play EDM at John Blair’s parties these days in NYC.

          • David L. Caster

            Some of us believe that John Blair wrecked The Roxy. Apparently he and the druggie twinks like the ugly, monotonous stuff. I can see why they all need medication to stand that crap. I can hang with some EDM, but a lot of it is uninspiring machine-generated noise.

          • Chuck in NYC

            Alegria — interchangeable DJs like at the Matinee events, playing Music-to-Do-Meth-By. The Brut parties are better than most because their DJs do mix in some vocals every now and then, and their EDM is fairly smooth. The Occupy the Disco guys in NYC mix old and new things up nicely, too.

        • Chaz Antonelli

          We did that to a few of them already! They were fabulous!!

          • Chaz Antonelli

            The confessionals were repurposed for other creative purposes!

        • Todd20036

          Limelight

          • killreligion

            Loved it. Especially entering in the side instead of the avenue, men only entrance and you could go to the het side and back. It was fun seeing the ladies begging to get across

            Saw a “show” involving a farmer in only coveralls who proceeded to cut a hole in a watermelon, remove overalls and have at it, with a real live finish into a condom. He then cut up the water melon and passed pieces around

            NY used to be so fun (I type this on the platform awaiting my train, heading down for a meeting. Won’t be the same)

      • ChrisMorley

        Henry didn’t seize and despoil any of his Royal Chapels.
        They survive almost untouched, like St. George’s, Windsor Castle.
        – idolatrous statues – retained
        – medieval stained glass – unsmashed
        – royal choirs, the Chapel Royal choristers – professionals still singing, in Latin.
        The Church of England has Catholic-lite enclaves.

        https://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/

        His successors had to quickly scramble to replace monastic social care

        – schools
        – hospitals
        – financial support for the old, poor, sick and disabled.

        • JackFknTwist

          The Dissolution of the Monasteries brought untold riches into the Crown’s coffers.

          Let’s make a similar adjustment.

        • JackFknTwist

          Sure ……many of the Catholic rituals and even decor survived . But much was wiped out, literally, with whitewash.
          Many walls and murals overpainted, abbeys dissolved and a lot of stained glass destroyed……this continued with gusto under his son, Edward VI.

          • Steve Smith

            And, of course, even more of it later under Cromwell’s commonwealth after the civil war.

      • ben-andy

        I’d say that Henry VIII provided quite a bit of social care using the religious money. That it was of HIMSELF is a bit of quibble. I’m sure his lavish spending “raised all boats” in England, just as our [one step closer to fruition] new tax bill will MAGA. /s [just in case it wasn’t obvious].

        I’m so chuffed over Doug Jones that I can hardly sit still!

        • JackFknTwist

          What ?
          You think abolishing inheritance tax so as accumulate vast wealth in elitist families will ‘ make the USA great in some mysterious way ?
          Do I read that correctly ?

        • JackFknTwist

          What ?
          You think abolishing inheritance tax so as accumulate vast wealth in elitist families will ‘ make the USA great in some mysterious way ?
          Do I read that correctly ?

    • Bluto

      This this this this THIS.

    • FAEN

      Joel Osteen-“I can’t have those sinners in my church. Jesus only loves the chosen ones….with money they can donate to me. I love my giant house, my plastic wife, my secret boyfriend and my giant white teeth. Praise the lord.”

      • liondon#iamnotatraitor

        he’s on his knees more than carpet layer.

      • orion dumptee

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    • Steverino

      And that is the reason why they are tax-exempt, so that the donations should be used for charitable purposes. As we all know, that exemption has become an excuse for self-enrichment and a scam.

    • Nic Peterson

      Still dripping with ‘woe is me’ and ‘everyone makes fun of us’. Tough shit.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Im up on a ladder today painting the side of my house and here comes 2 jehovah witness ladies.
      I told them to get out of my yard. Stop leaving crap at my door and go feed the hungry

    • Mike Knife

      Anti-gay Christians have failed to help others and now they are just another hate group.

  • Mark

    Tarnished? It’s fucking lost any and ALL credibility. Have no use for christians at all. Those that are supportive are to fucking quiet and afraid to stand up so screw em all.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Get used to it !

  • Palmer

    What do they expect when they’ve allowed extreme fundamentalists to become the face of their religion?

  • KCMC

    Wow, that almost reads as self aware vs what routinely sounds/looks/acts like a delusional disorder.

    • zhera

      Disagree. They’re saying “yeah, supporting Moore was a bad idea, but those progressive hippie Christians over there kept calling us out on it and that’s just mean. Everything would’ve been fine if they’d just shut up”.

      • David L. Caster

        Delusion lacks the reflection to see itself.

  • edrex

    it wasn’t democracy’s idea to mix church and state. you fools did it to yourselves.

  • Tawreos

    They backed a child molester and are sad that there are consequences for that. How fucking delusional are they?

    • David L. Caster

      Is this a trick question?

      • Todd20036

        No. A trick question is, “Wanna go fuck in the alleyway?”

        Yup. Sick mind. No regrets

    • Gerry Fisher

      They came very close to getting away with it (thank you for saving us from ourselves, black voters in Alabama!)

      • Chucktech

        … and keep voting!

      • jonfromcalifornia

        Yes, black voters are the heroes in yesterday’s election.

    • FAEN

      Organized religion is a mental defect. It rots the brain.

    • coram nobis

      They elected Emperor Nero. He’s still in office. The consequences are ongoing.

  • TK

    BARFFFF!!!! For HOW long has Christianity been excusing, ignoring and justifying – and lying about – sexual predators in their hallowed halls?? This editor is beyond an idiot. Christians have been tarnishing their faith for centuries and continue to do so. What a crock. Here – have some hope and prayers that you can get your “reputation” reinstated.

  • Joe in PA
    • KarenAtFOH

      Pure fucking evil.

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN
  • “The Christian leaders who have excused, ignored, or justified his unscrupulous behavior and his indecent rhetoric have only given credence to their critics who accuse them of hypocrisy. Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.”

    Cognitive dissonance much?

    • Snarkaholic

      “Our claim…”???
      So…you’re only claiming it, not stating it as fact?
      So…either your faith is weak OR you’re insulting J.C.’s abilities OR you’re admitting that it’s all a scam OR D) all of the above.

      • True. It’s possibly or probably a Freudian slip. The more I read that quote, though, the more I am troubled by the phrase “diverse people.” Is the author claiming alleged child molesters are a group that should be brought in and protected?

    • Gustav2

      It is really hilarious because the ecumenicalism among Christian sects is coming from the centrist and liberal churches, not the conservative Roman Catholics.or Evangelical/Pentecostal/Fundamentalists

      • coram nobis

        I think it’s “ecumenicism”, and the CT author is offended because liberal Christians disagree with them.

        • Gustav2

          Heretics All!

        • Gustav2

          When the civil marriage equality decision came from the Supremes, the commenters in the local paper could not believe when I wrote there were Christian Churches already preforming ceremonies before the decision.

          I gave them a partial list of the churches in our city.

    • CottonBlimp

      It’s funny how they think *this* shows the divisions within Christianity more than 2000 years of Christian sectarian violence.

  • Bobby P

    I stopped believing in the bible god when I realized that he hated everyone and everything his believers did. So yeah, that was many years ago.

  • Pollos Hermanos
  • That_Looks_Delicious
  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Next time, how about you PRAY for a better outcome ??
    That should work !

    • Silver Badger

      When you think about it, Al Abama received the best outcome possible.

  • clay

    Ya know, if they brought back the Inquisition they could weed out people like Moore.

    };)

    • People like Moore would be running the Inquisition.

    • Tawreos

      Who do you think would be running the Inquisition? People like Roy Moore, would kill to run the Inquisition.

      • coram nobis

        Or they’d wind up like Savanarola, who ran an enlightened city, Renaissance Florence, like a theocracy, till the city got tired of him and burned him at the stake.

        It’s a nice lesson.

  • A year and a half? How about since the late 1970s and the “Moral” Majority?

    And I love the way the finish off with “both sides do it.”

    • teeveedub

      Thank you. They can’t pretend that the deterioration Christianity is a new phenomenon. For decades, so-called Christians have been using their religion as a cudgel to beat up (literally and figuratively) those who don’t agree with their particular interpretation of religion.

  • Adam Stevens

    Dear ‘Christians,’

    As an LGBT American, I have ALWAYS known who you are in your hearts. In those moments when you think you aren’t being observed by the world, you give to LGBT Americans the absolute WORST of yourselves and your humanity.

    As an LGBT American, I sincerely thank you. For showing the REST of America the immoral frauds that you TRULY are. For showing them that you believe NOTHING of what you tell people you believe.

    You now OWN this, and will have to wear it and answer for it. And now the rest of America can see you for who you truly are, as well – the WORST among us.

    Thanks again, ‘christian’ America. A bunch of you need to repent. To your neighbors, not your silly gods.

    GO, and sin no more.

    • Steverino

      “If you make an offering at the altar, but have offended a brother, go make amends with you brother first, and then make your offering.” (paraphrased)

      • Chucktech

        i didnt affend my brother, i done farred a homo from his jowb, thats awl

  • joe ho

    Well there’s the hypocrisy and rampant immorality factor, but mainly religion is collapsing in the industrialized West under the weight of its own absurdities and unsupported claims about reality.

    It’s a prescientific way of trying to understand the universe and provide comfort when the average lifespan was about 30 years. No longer necessary in developed countries. Worse than unnecessary–religion is an impediment to further development.

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    o/t What happens when you bring the reality show to the White House :

    https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/940975335499292672

    • clay

      Yeah, like they “fired” Flynn (he quit) as soon as they found out that he “lied” (he didn’t) to VP Pence.

      • JWC

        Pence knew all about it from day fucking 1

        • David L. Caster

          I think that was the point.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      She needs to get even and tell all her secrets.

      • teeveedub

        It would be fun to watch, but I wouldn’t believe a single word that emanated from her gaping maw.

    • Chucktech

      What a well oiled, fine tuned machine that White House is…

  • Jay Silversmith
  • Tomcat

    The youth of America is sick of being controlled by religion, damn it they want to DANCE.

  • Bambino

    When a cluster of human species lack the basic human decency to begin with, no faith or religion they shroud themselves in will elevate their stature on this planet.

  • JWC

    Just remember bucko No one but your ilk have tarnished the Fallacy of Christian faith more than you

  • ColdCountry

    Gee, someone noticed! ‘Bout time, though the problem has been there for a lot more than a year and a half.

  • Bluto

    Well look who’s finally catching up about the damage being done in their name.
    It’s all about the base.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1663e8a821e2e7dcd20a82d9a61cea192f3327065e9707ec6b23a74c55f77e1c.jpg

    • Lumpy Gaga

      If that’s the world’s tiniest violin… OMG!!

    • netxtown

      finally – a hobby that fits!

    • The_Wretched

      That bow is going to need a lot of horsehair.

  • AtticusP

    Tarnished? The kind of “Christianity“ these people follow rotted out a long time ago.

  • Boreal
  • David L. Caster

    Can’t be a right winger and Christian at the same time. Stay completely out of politics or stick to advocating forr the same demographics Jesus did.

  • Snarky

    Christianity Today needs to pound this message every damn day on their front page or homepage or whatever. After letting the blatant hypocrisy of most modern evangelicals (and others) slide for YEARS, it’s good to finally see one voice perk up and say “hey, maybe supporting all these candidates for selfish reasons has finally gotten us to the point where Christians are supporting a fucking PEDOPHILE and we need to wake the fuck up.”

    I have zero faith that any of that will happen. That whole group has marinated in their self-righteous victimhood and privilege for so long that any reflection will be brief and quickly forgotten.

    • Tawreos

      They let that one voice perk up to give them cover, then they will go right back to business as usual. Most of them think the devil won last night and that there was nothing wrong with their candidate. Until that shit changes nothing will for them

      • Snarky

        You’re totally right about this piece giving them cover. I think some of them are honestly concerned not about the candidates, but about all the “good churchgoing people” who were willing to ignore Moore’s past and his present positions, and vote for him anyway. I think that’s what they have finally noticed – the rot and decay at the very heart of their tribe.

        • Craig Howell

          Christians have turned the Sacred Heart of Jesus into a Heart of Darkness.

        • coram nobis

          The CT piece may be more about how they need a better chassis for this trojan horse.

    • Christopher Smith

      An entire section on ‘the hypocrisy of the Left’ enshrining homophobia,
      tribalist hate of other religions, etc, and–worse–shilling for that
      abomination by Arlie Hochschild and two other ‘bothsidesism’ tracts
      telling us yet once more how EVILLE we are for condemning those nice
      racist, homophobic, misogynist, pedophiliac outlanders who vote for nice
      men like dRUMPf and Moore? Hardly a message that needs to be pounded. Yet more bothsidesism bullshit.

  • Ninja0980

    No, what tarnished your faith was the notion everyone else had to follow it too, whether they wanted to or not.

  • netxtown

    a problem that has been festering for a year and a half 17 years—ever since a
    core of strident conservative Christians began to cheer for were bought and sold by Donald Trump George W Bush (aka Karl Rove)

    • Snarkaholic

      Perhaps even earlier (Reagan and his ‘faith-based funding’).

      • The_Wretched

        Yes, the core shift was at Regan. Before that, they stayed apolitical.

        • Snarky

          Shifted into high gear with Pat Buchanan’s RNC speech in 1992. They went from trying to get Republicans to do what they wanted, to making the GOP a wholly-owned subsidiary.

          • MaryJOGrady

            I know that the total takeover of the Texas Republican Party started with Pat Robertson’s run for the Republican nomination in 1988. The hateful Jeebusites organized down to every single precinct, with iron fists.

        • MaryJOGrady

          They got burned pretty bad with that Scopes Monkey Trial fiasco in the 20’s and so they stayed out of politics for some decades.

    • boatboy_srq

      Goes WAY further back than that.

    • David L. Caster

      Actually it goes back to Reagan.

    • barrykyle415

      Agree with your sentiment, but it started 40+ years ago with Reagan, Lee Atwater, Jerry Falwell and those other grifters.

  • boatboy_srq

    Newsflash, CT: The [Im]Moral [Non-]Majority already did that, and the damage has been mounting for four decades. Moore’s candidacy is the stain no amount of Tarn-X will remove.

  • Sam_Handwich

    has Pastor Pedo conceded yet?

    • Snarky

      Newp. But he has scheduled a press conference for “when Hell freezes over” because he’s so fucking entitled.

  • The Professor

    Christofascist Snowflakes.

  • geoffalnutt

    No one should believe bullshit. Until they stop there will be much needless suffering and death. The End.

  • MT YVR

    The dissonance from this is massive.

    On the one hand it’s a reasoned, sane, cogent piece of writing that expresses understandable and even defensible positions. Religion, used as a bat in a rhetoric game, has lost validity as a moral compass when claiming purity while backing / allowing abhorrent behaviour.

    Yes.

    If religion were a simple, neutral thing without history and with a value of good intentions to genuinely do well by everyone, not just select individuals who… And the disclaimers are endless. By the nature of today’s N. American Christian party, not church, the disclaimers to differentiate between that hope and idea AND the reality? Are infinite because there’s like five times it actually fits the metric it purports.

    It’s the murderer with a knife in the back of a child saying “Wow, that’s low, just really low. No one should ever do that.” as they continue to kill.

    There is no public differentiation between the two because only one exercises power and the public voice it affords. The other HAS power but is complicit in its endless silence. So when people look around and say “yes, but, there are some” … this is my answer. Read this and tell me no part of you doesn’t have that jangling moment of needing to check the source and the full context. You will be believed when you fucking act like it.

  • ClevelandJim

    GRACIOUS! Sure am glad I’m not in THEIR camp today!

  • Boreal
    • JackFknTwist

      That hits the nail on the head; I have never understood how humans spend so much time looking forward to some notion of a hereafter, and at the same time ignore the wonderful chance of actually being alive , here, on a beautiful planet.

      Imagine the folly of wasting this world’s experience on the suspicion that something else is better.
      Sheer folly.

      • JAKvirginia

        Because they buy into the happy, happy BS about Heaven. Of course, if they really did know their Jesus teachings they would know that the joys in Heaven are related to the good you do down here. Oops… there’s always a catch, eh?

        • netxtown

          and there ain’t much difference between streets paved in gold or 72 virgins.

          • JAKvirginia

            Oh, yeah, about those 72 virgins….. they’re not the prettiest, or the slimmest, or the cleanest….

          • netxtown

            you mean..most of them have ‘fur’ or ‘feathers’ of some sort…?

          • Chucktech

            Never look a gift virgin in the… wherever…

          • Ginger Snap

            Oh my sides are busting from laughing.

          • JackFknTwist

            Ha ha I just wrote that without / before reading your post !!

        • Guess

          In their minds, these heavens always have:
          (a) People they’ve always liked/admired
          (b) People they’ve hoped to have somehow ‘reformed’ to their narrow way of thinking
          (c) Absolutely no one else

          • MaryJOGrady

            I forget who once suggested that there was an obvious choice between spending eternity in hell with Mary, Queen of Scots, or eternity in heaven with her nemesis, world-class buzzkill John Knox. Mark Twain once said, “Heaven for climate, hell for company.”

        • JackFknTwist

          And some buy into the idea of the 74 virgins awaiting them. What a laugh.

          • Myles

            The Quran promises “young boys in Paradise waiting/handsome as pearls.” (52:24, 56:17, 76:19).

          • JackFknTwist

            Ahh ha ! Now you give me pause for changing my mind !!!

      • ChrisInKansas

        Seems like most of our friends are considerably older than us and one of them was chatting with us about a friend of hers who died a few weeks back who was 65. She’s 69. She said “Oh my God, that’s far too young to die. And I’m older than she was! I’m not ready to die yet! I’m scared to death of dying! Chris, aren’t you scared?” And I said “No, I’m not scared I suppose. I just don’t want to. There’s far far too much left to do and see and experience. I wouldn’t be ready to go for hundreds of years.”

        There probably isn’t anything after this. Enjoy every single bit of life you have left.

        • Having just lost my spouse a couple weeks ago, a few days shy of her 65th birthday, I can feel both your friend’s fears and your expectations. I, too, am not ready to die, and I don’t have any expectations of a post-mortem afterlife – but that doesn’t stop me from continuing to “talk” to my spouse when I wake up in the wee hours wondering “why?” and knowing that the universe is all chaos on which we strive to impose some semblance of order. We create meaning where there is none, and in a sense, that can be comforting.

          • yes b’y

            I’m so sorry, Joann. (((((Joann)))))

          • Chucktech

            OMG, Joann, I’m so sorry to hear.

            I know there’s no afterlife, but I’m afraid my husband may pre-decease me. If he does, I know I will always talk to him and feel his presence.

          • MaryJOGrady

            Hugs to you. I am so sorry.

          • WildwoodGuy

            I am so sorry to hear this Joann. Wish there were something I could do to offer comfort other than just words. Virtual hugs being sent!

          • Ginger Snap

            I’m always at a loss fir words when someone has a loss in their life. So I send you Love Joann.

          • RoFaWh

            I talk to my late cat Gypsy from time to time.

          • Paula Key

            Yes, she is with you! Sorry for your deep loss.

          • ChrisInKansas

            I am so sorry to hear of your loss.

        • David Walker

          Whether there is or isn’t anything after, this is where we are right now. Live. Eat it up with “a passion that’s intense.” I tend to feel best when I’m helping someone or when I’m involved with music. I’m more and more leery of people, but my music explorations are always interesting and, since I’m self-taught, informative. Directing a chorus is the best of both worlds for me…music and helping people develop their voice.

          I’m glad this article exists, and I hope it leads somewhere for them. I gave up on their religion long ago and they are why. I know it’s unrealistic, but I do expect an apology for the way they’ve fucked up our lives.

      • MaryJOGrady

        I think many are not so much looking forward to heaven as scared of hell. It’s a cosmic extortion racket: Do what we say or your loving Father in heaven will torture you for all eternity.

        • JackFknTwist

          That’s straight out of the medieval mind…..all those religious paintings of little devils torturing the sinners. Just a visual piece of propaganda.

      • Ginger Snap

        Perfection.

    • nocadrummer

      In some cases, it’s the same man. Many traded their bottle of booze for the Bible. From one addiction to another.
      They’re as easy to spot as former alcoholics –

      Proclaim their conversion. Constantly.
      Attend meetings. Nearly as often.
      Prothlesize everyone around them.

      Misery loves company.

      • MaryJOGrady

        I remember George Carlin’s great line: “I used to be messed up on drugs. Now I’m messed up on the Lord.”

  • Bambino
  • kladinvt

    The ‘tarnishing’ began with the melding of Evangelicals with the Republican Party into a “CONServative-Fundie-Cult”, back when Anita Bryant first raised her vicious voice to accuse the LGBTQ community of ‘recruiting children’, which attracted the likes of CONman, Jerry Falwell. And from there it was what Ronnie Raygun and later republiCONS used to rile-up the hate-filled CONServative masses. It’s purely a ‘hate-driven’ cult.

    • JackFknTwist

      Good analysis.

    • MaryJOGrady

      The anti-abortionist hateful Jeebusites got rolling within months of Roe vs. Wade, in 1973. A Protestant theologian named Francis Schaeffer wrote convincingly that abortion was a political issue which could catapult them to the political dominance they felt they deserved.

      • Chucktech

        He also said, pretty much in the same breath, that gays were god’s children and we should love and accept them. That part, of course, was laughed right out of mainstream christianity.

  • MikeBx2

    This made me curious if Franklin Graham has said anything after his tweet yesterday “Praying for Roy Moore”. He doesn’t seem to have mentioned Moore today, but he’s tweeted TWICE today offering his kiss of death support for Kim Davis.
    https://twitter.com/Franklin_Graham/status/940949451673362432

    • JackFknTwist

      And I urge gays to run for office at every level, from the administrative level to the Presidency; I’m convinced that we couldn’t possibly do a worse job.

      • The_Wretched

        My son’s high school debate team couldn’t do a worse job. My sub’s artist friends couldn’t do a worse job. I could list more groups than I have minutes left in my life who …. I agree the commenters here would be fabulous in comparison to the current admin.

        • KarenAtFOH

          We have a pretty smart cat that could do at least as good a job as she does.

  • Boreal
  • The_Wretched

    I’ve missed hearing the enabler Christians standing up to the conservatives. And if they want a decent reputation, they all need to stop holding political rallies, votes, and preaching candidate selection.

  • penpal

    Until I see these “Christians” doing anything positive to help people who are in need of it, until I see them working for social justice and equality for at least the most desperate among us, until they stop making their core actions are no longer focused on making others miserable, I don’t give a shit about what their fucking “faith”. They have used Jesus as a weapon to abuse people around them in order to make themselves feel better. Not one of them actually models their lives in the manner in which he lived and preached.

    • Gustav2

      And stop demanding the government (taxpayers) pay them to do their “good works.”

  • JAKvirginia

    Oh, please! Big news!! Rip out the front page!!!

  • Boreal
    • “Is TV these days 100% Satanic?” Well, “Netflix” is an anagram of “Fix Lent.” And who wants to fix lent, Satan that’s who.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        I gave up religion for Lent.

    • LeeCMH

      This is hilarious.

    • ChrisInKansas

      $24.99 an issue!!! No wonder print is dying!!

    • Longpole

      Next issue: Kneeling before your husband and respecting his wishes.
      AND ; Seeking a job outside the home? Better ask your husband for permission.

  • kelven

    Whiny, both siderism troll concerning. They are basically saying the “christians” who voted for Roy are just as bad as all those liberal “christians” who pushed them into their awful choices because they are so intolerant of their intolerant postitions. Oh, with maybe, maybe a smidge more evil on the right side.

  • Jim Maloney

    I agree. Well said.

  • BeaverTales

    Religion and secular government are natural enemies. The first is an exclusive community, the second is an inclusive one.

    One has a real and elected head of state, one has an imaginary unelected one. One adapts and changes with new information and the other teaches that new information is a threat. Human survival depends of cooperation, adaptation and information, not religion.

    • Friday

      It does depend on the content and structure of a *religion,* actually. Abrahamic monotheisms are set up like rival (authoritarian) *governments,* as well as ‘alternative facts’ when it comes to science and human relations, and *that’s* what makes them think they’re in a zero-sum game with rational governance. Cause their goals are actively in conflict.

    • coram nobis

      And as Jefferson and de Tocqueville both pointed out, if religion intertwines with government, religion goes down when the government does. Small wonder that repressive states like Ireland, Spain or Italy are now highly secular.

      In Europe, Christianity has been intimately united to the powers of the earth. Those powers are now in decay, and it is, as it were, buried under their ruins.
      — de Tocqueville

  • Guess

    “no one will believe a word we say, perhaps for a generation.”

    …nah, I don’t believe that…

    • Friday

      Well, I dunno if they’ll be able to pretend their history of oppression and lies didn’t happen *this* time. Their revisionist indoctrination could take more than a generation for any kids they can’t utterly isolate from facts and reality, like they’re so desperate to do in what’s left of public schools and the media.

  • Athirson

    “Christianity’s integrity is severely tarnished”.

    “The most painful wounds are self-inflicted”.
    ~William J. Clinton, 42nd President

  • Guess

    It be ya own people.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    https://media.giphy.com/media/ZAdAS1xI8Ormg/giphy.gif

    “Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.”

    Yes, how dare those liberal Christians quickly condemn a pedophile and conservatives who will screw over the poor. They should just shut up so you can pretend that mommy and daddy’s marriage is ok.

    • LeeCMH

      I took note of that passage as well.

      Perhaps the Christianity Today author as very aware of the hostile recoil he’d get from hateful Christians; so, he tried to mollify it a bit.

  • dbishop75

    For years, the LGBT has been witness to the hatred, hypocrisy, and bigotry of the Christian population. Only recently has the rest of the world been in on what we have fought against for so long. My only hope is that eyes have been opened and hearts changed.

  • Friday

    Yah, these Christan churches and rags have enabled and enjoyed Christian ‘conservatives’ getting all kinds of money and perks and power over minorities they disfavor, and women’s bodies, and treating children as property and robots, and denigrating other faith and all, all along, they just don’t like it when how ugly the people they’ve defended and supported the premises of have become, as if they haven’t been part of the problem all along, ….as if it isn’t the people this magazine still is always publishing hate speech against that really suffer for it, not their ‘tarnished reputation’ or anything.

    • William

      My partner is regularly asked by customers where he works if there is discount for pastors or churches. The answer is always no. Some of them get quite irate. He is happy to give them the business owner’s phone number.

      Our little county is being overrun with new churches, most in old houses or metal buildings thrown up overnight. Seems like lots of folks are trying to get in on the scam.

  • FAEN

    Oh honey it’s been tarnished since you climbed into bed with the party that is the least like Jeebus. And all for power and money-your REAL gods.

  • William

    Screaming “Jesus” at every turn does not give you authority.

    • LeeCMH

      It does help release tension.

      I say Jeeeeesus H. Christ when I’m really pissed.

      .

    • coram nobis

      It does seem to punctuate some people’s orgasms, though. People don’t usually yell “Gilgamesh!” when they come.

      • LeeCMH

        Well, it could vary by religion.

        At the point of the fireworks, Allah-ahhhhhhhh.

  • Gustav2

    “Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.”

    Yeah, Evangelicals/Pentecostals/Fundamentalists plus conservative Roman Catholics really, really fuck up, other Christians and Americans call them on it, but it is the other Christians and Americans fault.

    I see bothsiderism and no repentance.

    • Slim Compersion

      We’re not supposed to consider conservative Christians’ “easy willingness… to cast aspersions” on everybody else.

  • barrykyle415

    People too often fail to note that folks choose their strain of religion because that strain fits their beliefs. Then they seek some kind of pass for their hatred and bigotry because it is their religious belief. There are plenty of religious choices that don’t require hatred and bigotry, so hell yes, make them suffer for their choices and the harm they cause.

  • JeauxFan

    As I’ve said regarding Moore, Kim Davis swore an OATH (likely on the Bible she supposedly loves so much) to uphold the law. She reneged. As did Moore. They are free to use (cherrypick) the Bible to guide to their personal behavior but NOT to make legal decisions or render government services. It’s not that complicated.

    • Gustav2

      And the Colorado cake decorator promised to follow the law when he got his business license.

      • Craig Howell

        Let’s just hope that the Supreme Court really does follow the election returns.

    • coram nobis

      Decent people are finally beginning to see that these latter-day Savanarolas are simply after power. Any bible verse will do to justify it.

      The Lord knoweth them that are His. (2 Tim. 2:19)
      — scripture used to justify the massacre of the town of Béziers

  • Gerry Fisher

    Interesting how they waited until after they lost an important election to do some soul searching. Everything was A-OK when they still had a chance of winning or were winning at the ballot box.

    • Guess

      They had the football-spiking editorial at-the-ready.

    • coram nobis

      “Soul searching” in the sense that they lost it and can’t find it. Too bad — they wanted dominion, to use their own term, and were willing to use candidates from the devil to do it. They can put Moore behind them but they’re still tied to the orange Nero.

  • coram nobis

    The CT article is still somewhat unrepentant. Their tone still is, they’d still like to dictate public policy, overturn Roe v. Wade and maybe turn America into a version of the “Handmaid’s Tale”; they’re merely realizing that running blatantly hypocritical candidates might not work. They’ve yet to find that morally consistent but waxwork people like Mike Pence won’t work either.

    It’s not the “appearance of evil” they bemoan, it is simply evil. They may dimly sense that the next generation will see Christianity as something decent people avoid. What liberal Christians may not yet realize is that this crash may take them down as well.

    I am fully convinced that this extraordinary and incidental cause is the close connection of politics and religion. The unbelievers of Europe attack the Christians as their political opponents rather than as their religious adversaries; they hate the Christian religion as the opinion of a party much more than as an error of belief; and they reject the clergy less because they are the representatives of the Deity than because they are the allies of government.

    In Europe, Christianity has been intimately united to the powers of the earth. Those powers are now in decay, and it is, as it were, buried under their ruins.
    — Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

    • Gustav2

      Somewhat unrepentant? It is full of bothsiderism.

      • coram nobis

        Well, yes, “on the other hand, I wear a ring.” But it does sound like they think they need a cleverer marketing strategy, and not examine their underlying intent.

        On every side in Europe we hear voices complaining of the absence of religious faith and inquiring the means of restoring to religion some remnant of its former authority. It seems to me that we must first attentively consider what ought to be the natural state of men with regard to religion at the present time; and when we know what we have to hope and to fear, we may discern the end to which our efforts ought to be directed.
        — Tocqueville

    • Ben in Oakland

      Somewhat unrepentant?

      Try entirely clueless and self serving.

      • coram nobis

        Well, yes, that too. They’re trying to rationalize a train wreck, and this one looks like the scene where two circus trains collided.

        • Gustav2

          I thought rationalization of their train wreck was NYT’s David Brooks’ job.

          • coram nobis

            I’m not sure what time dimension poor David inhabits. One of these days he’s going to turn up at PBS NewsHour and start singing “The Way We Were”.

          • Gustav2

            Then play Tevye singing ‘Tradition.’

          • coram nobis

            Or “Sunrise, Sunset”.

    • Christopher Smith

      *Somewhat* unrepentant? An entire section on ‘the hypocrisy of the Left’ enshrining homophobia, tribalist hate of other religions, etc, and–worse–shilling for that abomination by Arlie Hochschild and two other ‘bothsidesism’ tracts telling us yet once more how EVILLE we are for condemning those nice racist, homophobic, misogynist, pedophiliac outlanders who vote for nice men like dRUMPf and Moore? Puhleeeeeaze.

      • coram nobis

        They’re whining about losing and trying to shift blame. I’m shocked — shocked!

  • Slim Compersion

    They’re only more than a year late with this take, being that Christianity’s integrity is already severely tarnished: Wasn’t it in 2016 that the majority of evangelhypocrites voted for the foul-mouthed, twice-divorced, puss… uh, woman-grabber to be president?

    Yes, yes it was.

  • They’re just realizing their faith is a loser NOW? Did they miss Inquisition Day in high-school history class? Have they been paying attention AT ALL since then?

    Plus: Roy Moore, trump, trump’s entire orbit, the christian faith … how can they parse out a hierarchy of losers when they’re all really pretty equal?

  • coram nobis

    Over at Religion News Service, more rationalization, hand-wringing and rending of garments. The anti-Semitism aspect —

    http://religionnews.com/2017/12/13/roy-moore-alabama/

    — but wait! Doug Jones is a Christian … or at least a Methodist (so, for that matter, is Hillary, but that’s another matter).

    http://religionnews.com/2017/12/12/5-faith-facts-about-doug-moore-quiet-christian/

    • Salkin: “That wasn’t even a dog whistle; that was a shofar blast.”

  • Tempus Fuggit

    no one will believe a word we say, perhaps for a generation

    Amen, hallelujah, so mote it be!

    • coram nobis

      If religious liberals aren’t careful, they’ll go down as well when this big idol finally topples.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        Religion is poison, so I’m good with that.

      • Tempus Fuggit

        ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Fine by me. The less religious delusion and superstitious fairytale of any stripe in government and public life, the better.

    • Chucktech

      More hyperbolic christian mouthrunning. That’s what that sounds like to me.

  • Michael

    It’s amazing they can even say “severely tarnished Christian faith” with a straight face. Yeah, pedophilia has a tendency to do that, you know?

  • Snarky

    I can almost guarantee that the majority of the black women in Alabama go to church every Sunday. They have a painting of Jesus in the living room (usually right next to similar portraits of MLK and Obama – a sort of Holy Trinity in many Southern black homes). They are believers, and they voted for Doug Jones in huge numbers. Maybe Christianity Today will learn that it’s time to get the hell out of politics, and go back to worshiping on Sundays, instead of trying to force everyone into lockstep with their chosen beliefs.

    • William

      Believe whatever you want, don’t expect me to.

  • -M-

    Bigots have no credibility.

  • As long as religion is used as a cudgel to separate worthy people from unworthy, it can never unite people.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Not to mention that it is all pure fiction from the very start.
      Still, … delusions die hard.

    • William

      As long as it is used to separate stupid people from their money.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Funny how they waited until AFTER Moore became less to post this.

    • coram nobis

      A lot of them are still unrepentant, as a quick look at the comments (Disqus) in Religion News Service and Religion Dispatches will reveal.

    • Reality.Bites

      They didn’t. It was clearly written and published yesterday. Joe doesn’t post things on their schedule.

    • Tread

      Courageous of them, even.

    • Stev84

      They probably had two versions ready. One for a loss and one for a win

      • Ben in Oakland

        The “spike the football”version vs. The “no one understands us and we’re not really wrong” version.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Christian hypocrites are driving people to choose rationalism and science over blind superstition. #MAGA
    # Make Atheism Great Again!

  • coram nobis

    “By the walls of Birmingham, we sat down, yea, we wept.”

  • Hue-Man

    Not all christian churches are against LGBT rights. In the Canadian Supreme Court hearing two weeks ago of the Trinity Western University law school case (appealing the denial of accreditation of the law school by the Ontario Bar), the United Church of Canada made a written submission, as intervener, which included these two statements:
    All beliefs are best protected when public institutions are governed secularly and neutrally.
    It is entirely reasonable for the Law Society of Upper Canada to determine that it will not legitimize in any manner, far less accredit, a law school that engages in discriminatory practices.
    http://www.scc-csc.ca/WebDocuments-DocumentsWeb/37209/FM150_Intervener_United-Church-of-Canada.pdf

    This couldn’t be further from the belief system of Moore and many American christianists.

  • sfjohn

    YOU are not christian!

  • Rex

    Forget Christmas, try putting Christ back in Christian.

    • coram nobis

      Right now this Christ seems very much in need of salvation. Doesn’t help that his followers elected a latter-day Nero as head of state.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Broken clock and such, you know.

  • coram nobis

    Is this a good time for me to tell you of the saving power of FSM? His apostles Cheeses of Parmesan and Sangiovese will bless thee.

  • bobbyjoe

    That final paragraph gives me whiplash. The only way “moderate and progressive Christians” could be “cast[ing] aspersions” in any negative way is if what they were saying were untrue. The previous sentence (“unscrupulous behavior and indecent rhetoric”) makes clear that’s not the case. So how can it be “easy willingness” to believe something that’s genuinely true? Should they be less willing to believe what’s blatantly in front of their eyes? What is that final paragraph saying, that progressive Christians should just keep their mouths shut to maintain the peace?

  • Halou

    Funny, isn’t it? They think this is something that started just a year and a half ago.

    No. It has been happening since the very first day a Christian took power back in the days of the Roman Empire, from the very beginning they have been acting in such a way that they called it “persecution” when they were the ones being the victims of it.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Oh honey, it’s not been just the last year and a half….

  • coram nobis

    CT article is also bemoaning how liberals diss them, as if “youtooism” somehow excuses last night’s shortcomings. “Of course, this charge of hypocrisy cuts both ways. It has applied equally well to progressive and moderate Christians, who have in the past turned a blind eye to the moral failings and moral bankruptcy of liberal candidates … ” &c.

    CT’s main problem, and it’s all through the article, is still that they think they’re right but misunderstood. It’s an old form of having a 2 by 4 stuck in one’s eyes, and others have spotted it.

    There are many who consider as an injury to themselves any conduct which they have a distaste for, and resent it as an outrage to their feelings; as a religious bigot, when charged with disregarding the religious feelings of others, has been known to retort that they disregard his feelings by persisting in their abominable worship or creed. But there is no parity between the feeling of a person for his own opinion and the feeling of another who is offended at his holding it, no more than between the desire of a thief to take a purse and the desire of the right owner to keep it.
    —On Liberty, J.S. Mill

    • Ben in Oakland

      The real problem is that noy only are they not right they are also perfectly well understood.

  • greenmanTN
  • coram nobis

    Hey, CT, here’s some reading!

    Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. This image’s head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, his legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
    –Daniel 2:31-33

    What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people. …
    — James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance, 1784

    • JackFknTwist

      Madison was such a great man ; my God !…… when you compare him with those in govt. now , Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, et al, it is quite frightening that we have succumbed to the mediocre , at best, and the pathetic at worst….Trump/turd.

      We were supposed to do better not vote in the Flintstones.

  • Dan

    I read the whole article and I still wanted to punch throat punch the author.

  • patrick
  • Joseph Miceli

    It is time to roll the clock back to the 1940’s for the Churches. I know, I know, they mostly live in the 1400’s, but POLITICALLY they should be more like the churches in the 1940’s and 50’s, when Evangelicals mostly shunned politics, decrying it as a dirty, degrading mess that tarnished anyone it came in contact with. Of course they were right, but for the wrong reasons. It is true that power corrupts and the lies one tells to get elected are a violation of Christian faith. The real incompatibility, however is the inability of those who have received God’s ineffable wisdom to compromise with those who haven’t. There is no compromise, only betrayal of God. How can you govern in a Republic without compromise?
    It would be so much better for Evangelicals and other religious entities if they just stay the fuck OUT of our government. They simply aren’t good at it.

  • Richard B

    Well, that is some over due self reflection.
    I had been wondering why people who claim the mantle of Christianity embraced as godly, Donald Trump and Roy Moore.
    When you read the teachings of Christ,, both of these two men behave more like an anti-Christ .
    Why the evangelical leaders hung their shingle on these two men are something should be analyzed.
    Maybe a book series could be written how the evangelical movement became a forever ruined group of hateful hypocrites.

  • Canadian Observer

    I wonder how the article would read if Moore had gone full-fledged Swaggart at some point.

    • David Walker

      However, Swaggart returned to the business after his televised crying jag and, as far as I know, is still milking the herd. Also, don’t forget Jim Bakker. He went to jail for his sins and is now selling buckets of bilge in the name of his god. The grift that keeps on grifting.

      • MaryJOGrady

        Both of them are back, doing business at the same old stand.

        • ajchar

          So’s Robert Tilton, he was the dominant scumbag preacher when I lived in DFW in the early 90s.

      • wayne

        My favorite poem from the mid eighties:

        Tammy Faye! Tammy Faye!
        Bakker’s wife
        Pray Tammy! Pray!
        That he doesn’t get life.

  • 2patricius2

    “When it comes to either matters of life and death or personal commitments of the human heart, no one will believe a word we say, perhaps for a generation.” And that is supposed to be a bad thing?

    “Do unto others as you would have them do to you,” and “Love your neighbor as yourself” will never go out of style. The problem is not this central teaching attributed to Jesus, it is those who clothe themselves in the veneer of “Christianity,” but do not put this teaching into practice. And if people reject fake Christians and their behavior, so much the better.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Collection basket intake must be down causing the Christianistas to navel gaze.

  • Secure
    • Friday’s_cat

      Where are the Alabama animal cruelty people and why are they not issuing Moore a summons?

      • Ben in Oakland

        No one has been mean to moore.

    • infmom

      Let’s hear it for the Bogus Buckaroo.

    • djcoastermark

      Has lil roy ever ridden a horse in his life? I think not. Anyone who has ridden a horse KNOWS that the way he is handling the reins is way wrong. ( I grew up riding and showing horses.)

  • AdamTh

    Here’s a NewsFlash – That christian faith has been “tarnished” ever since Ralph Reed & Pat Robertson got in bed with the GOP back in the early 90’s..

    • AdamTh

      … and daddy Falwell too

    • Opinion Sousaphones

      Well, neither the Medici nor the Borgia popes did much for its reputation… not that Reed, Roberston, or Falwell would have considered them to be Christian… that infighting thing they like so much.

  • infmom

    You did it to yourselves, bull-lievers.

  • Michael R
  • No More GOP.

    Your “faith” has been tarnished pretty much since inception…. or don’t you study history at all?

  • If you assholes had stayed in your churches and not waded into the filth of politics to corrupt it with your hypocritical faith, led by disgusting crapulent dirtbags like Jerry Falwell and Ralph reed, this might not have happened.

    You got involved, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

  • Blackfork

    You brought it on yourselves – and everybody else in the country – starting with the “moral majority” bullshit in the 1980s. Go fuck yourselves.

  • Dayglo
  • JaniceInToronto

    Gee, no shit?

  • Ogre Magi

    In order for something to become tarnished, it would have to be bright and shiny at one point. You can’t put a shine on shit!

  • Ogre Magi
  • Mike Knife

    Roy Moore will start his own mega Christian church of hate.

  • Kevin Andrews

    I couldn’t be happier for the raw exposure of the Christ-O-Fascists as the hypocrites, Sexual Predators & Pedophiles they display.
    These bastards want to preach politics from the pulpit and I’m one who (Like the Marriage Equality issue I worked to make real from the 1980s) will turn my will toward the Taxation of Church in the USA just to even the playing field for the rest of us who have absolutely no use for their mythology, dogma or parasitism on the rest of us.
    I couldn’t be happier that these vile Christ-O-Fascists and Missionary of Hate are clearly exposed by their own hand.
    Your actions have consequences and your fucking with the Johnson Amendment, your open contempt of Constitutional Separation of Church and State will drive you back to the sewers where you rightly belong. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d219ef22f2b8fcc1b2cdb1445e6284962481a3434df901db36fa8c0a199725cf.png

  • KnownDonorDad

    Your flock shouldn’t have supported him, then.

  • Pip

    Oh, my dears. You’ve been losing peoples’ trust a lot longer than this, but it’s definitely not helping. And the support being thrown behind #45, Roy Moore, and all the other disgraceful members of the GOP will be known for more than just one generation. This will haunt you for some time. Unluckily for you, this upcoming generation is being raised by those who were turned away by your bull long before #45 and the rest turned over the stones and shined a light on the hypocrisy of the church.

  • anne marie in philly

    bwhahahahahaha! LOSERS!

  • JackNasty

    Of course you would have to ignore the malicious lies, ignorance, and raw hatred of gay people these fundamentalist Christian theocrats propagated over last 50 years in order to blame their newly realized lack of credibility entirely on Donald Trump and Ray Moore.

  • WKT20

    Ya know who clued me in to the BS of the christianists? Jim and Tammy Faye. I have never looked back. Memories last a long time. I hope they reap for decades what they have sown.

  • cleos_mom

    Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to
    cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.

    No.

    “Meanwhile,” the moderate and progressive Christians have mostly looked the other way except when someone self-identifying as a Christian says/does something embarrassing. And even then, the major concern is usually not the action itself but how it makes them look.

    There are exceptions, of course, made all the more notable via their scarcity. But most of what’s coming out of Christianity today is that nonsense they spouted in their magazine.

  • LovesIrony

    “no one will believe a word we say” yup you bunch of lying hypocrites.
    How long did the Greeks believe in Zeus? the Romans believe in Jupiter, the Norse believe in Odin? your fairy tale’s days are numbered too.

  • Bomer

    “has only put an exclamation point on a problem that has been festering for a year and a half” Oh honey, it’s been longer, much longer, than that.

  • Sporkfighter

    “Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.”

    Christianity has been fissioning at an ever-increasing rate for the last 500 years.

    • J Ascher

      As with any half-baked philosophy, Christian groups can only be held together under an iron fist or threat of severe punishment.

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    Infighting is funny.

  • Davester

    Good. The more tarnished belief in misogynistic, racist and homophobic fairy tales from 2000 years ago becomes, the better.

  • Spray on abs
  • J Ascher

    Christianity Today, that’s what happens when you put your politics ahead of your beliefs. You are the Pharisee who clamors for attention, trying to prove how pious you are when you’re just making a spectacle of yourself!

  • Ginger Snap

    Oh the poor fucking Christian’s always crying about something. Maybe if you stood up acted like compassionate humans and denounced “sinners” instead of worshiping them and giving them power maybe just maybe I’d give two shits about your filthy, disgusting, hate filled, perverted religion.

  • JCF
  • Joe Maynard

    Nice words. Trump is unscrupulous, indecent, hypocritical, and so on. You said it, dude. Righteous.

    My reaction is the same as it was to Jeff Flake’s anti-Trump screed. Let’s see you advocate some concrete actions to atone for what *your side* did to Merrick Garland. Urge the Senate to deny approval to the more whacked-out judicial nominees. Call some of Trump’s cabinet members on their various combinations of incompetence and venality. Get them to stop defanging the regulatory apparatus that attempts to protect our environment, our health, our bank accounts, our democracy. And, just for good measure, let’s get behind a unanimous resolution in both houses of Congress that, yes, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Talk the talk is easy. Let’s see some walking.