VIRAL VIDEO: Alabama Father Pickets Roy Moore Rally For Lesbian Daughter Who Committed Suicide

The Washington Post reports:

Perhaps it was the man’s strong but plain-spoken rebuke outside a Roy Moore rally on the campaign’s final night, condemning the Republican candidate’s past comments lambasting homosexuality. Perhaps it was the admission of the man, a peanut farmer, that he too, had harbored some of the same anti-gay feelings.

Perhaps it was his sign, a photograph of his daughter, a lesbian who, he said, had killed herself when she was 23. Whatever it was, the two-minute video of Nathan Mathis struck a nerve, traveling far and wide as a sort of emotional coda to a wrenching U.S. Senate race in Alabama that has captivated the country.

The Week reports:

“Judge Roy Moore called my daughter Patti Sue Mathis a pervert because she was gay,” the sign read. “A 32-year-old Roy Moore dated teenage girls ages 14 to 17. So that makes him a pervert of the worst kind. Please don’t vote for Roy Moore!” Speaking to reporters, Mathis said he lost Patti Sue to suicide in 1995, and didn’t know what he would accomplish standing there with his sign. “If it’s all to no avail, so be it, it won’t be the first time I’ve done something to no avail,” he said. “My sign speaks for itself and it speaks the truth.”

  • AmeriCanadian

    Roy Moore’s wife, Kayla, argued that her husband is no bigot at a Monday
    night campaign rally, saying that “one of our attorneys is a Jew.”

    I have to laugh. What else is there to do?

    • Bluto

      Defending her husband against racism & bigotry, she also said (paraphrasing) that he once hired a black man.
      Just unfuckingbelievable.

      • Anastasia Beaverhousen

        His name is Shylock.

    • Butch

      I also noticed that they speak a unique language – they “fellowship” with people of other religions and races?

      • This. It’s not about trying to get the average person to think they’re not racist. It’s about throwing a fig leaf over the racism that exists, so their evangelical supporters can lie to themselves that it’s not racism that motivates them, no matter how virulently racist they are.

        • I have listened to relatives balk at the idea that THEY could be RACIST (how dare anyone suggest such a thing) after saying the most awful racist things. I was always shocked coming home for holidays to hear shit coming out of their mouths and realizing that as bad as I thought this was, it was even worse. So basically every holiday for me was 2016-17.

      • Robincho

        It’s possible that the English language might one day arrive in Alabama, but likely not within either of our lifetimes…

        • David Walker

          It depends on how they architect it. If they can dialogue with others, perhaps.

      • agcons

        JWs use the word “fellowship” quite a bit, but I think if these two creeps were Witnesses we’d have heard.

    • JRDC

      C u n t

  • bkmn

    What a brave man, to protest outside one of those rallies. I think his daughter would forgive him for what he said to her in the past, if she could.

    • GayOldLady

      His words were so heartfelt even though he wasn’t sure how to say the word “pervert”. The face and voice of a man who’s suffered terribly since the death of his daughter. He blames himself.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Most parents blame themselves. I contemplated suicide in my teenage years. I knew what it would do to my parents by witnessing a similar situation in the past in my extended family. I loved my mother too much to do that to her. I feel sorry for Mr. Mathis. I don’t know the details but I do know that he will live with it for the rest of his life.

        • j.martindale

          I, too, made serious attempts at suicide when I came out at about 35. I didn’t hear from my parents for about two years. Religion made life hell for them and for me. My late father, after my last attempt ended with a car upside down on a highway, begged me not to hurt my mother by committing suicide. They changed. I changed. Life got better. I reconciled with my parents and enjoyed the last 15 years of their lives with them. And they came to love and embrace my now husband.

          I pity this man. As I wrote elsewhere, he is like the Jonestown people who had drunk the KoolAid of religious superstitions. And he is a victim as much as his daughter was.

          • Ninja0980

            The sad thing is many parents truly believe they are doing right by their kids with conversion therapy,rejection etc. lest their son/daughter goes to hell.
            And as you said, the only reason they think that is because religion tells them too.
            Why my parents no longer belong to the Catholic Church.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Thanks for telling your story. It’s painful to dredge up these memories and I’m really glad that yours turned out well (as well as possible I guess).

            I moved out on my own at the age of 19 because I thought that my parents would turn their backs on me if they found out the truth. I was wrong but everything up to that point made me believe that I would be cast out of the family. I’m one of the lucky ones…both that I could get out and that there was reconciliation. I know of a few cases where neither happens and, of course, it’s always in the news. So sad and I wish I could live to see a time when it doesn’t happen any longer but I sincerely doubt it. I feel society takes a step forward and then immediately takes one or two steps backward. It’s so disheartening.

      • gaycuckhubby

        That’s how you say the word in Alabama ☺️

      • And he should. He is partly to blame. The thing that differentiates lbgt rights from other civil rights is that the Asian kid who gets bullied at school probably comes home to Asian parents. He doesn’t get bullied for being Asian at home too. (I’m sure there are exceptions, but in general, that’s true.) He doesn’t hear anti-Asian propaganda at home. But that’s what happens to gay, bi and trans kids all the fucking time. The place it’s usually least safe to come out is at home. That’s fucked up. This dad created a homophobic environment in which he raised his lesbian daughter. Now he didn’t plan on that, obviously, but his words probably hurt her far more than anything anyone on tv ever said. At least he gets that and is trying to help other parents not repeat his mistake.

        • Ninja0980

          Rejection by parents and family members is the most painful thing a child can endure, and it happens to LGBT peope all of the time.

        • JRDC

          At least he admitted it was partly his fault

          • David Walker

            And I think that’s so important. It’s like “Prayers for Bobby” (the book, not the TV movie). His mother made life a living hell for him and he finally jumped off an overpass landing on the grill of a semi. His mother ultimately came around and made appearances around the country arguing FOR acceptance, which was made poignant by a mother whose son committed suicide at least partly because of her. I think I have a slight idea of what this man has gone through. I’m proud that he’s thought things through and and surprised and grateful for his appearance in front of the lying cretin’s venue.

            So many videos go viral for stupid things. This man speaks his truth and it touches hearts and minds everywhere…and maybe makes some people think. I like that.

      • narutomania

        I’d say that you are right on that observation, GayOldLady. Sometimes, parents don’t get a do-over. But sometimes they do. Take my family as an example:

        My uncle Bob did the dutiful thing and married a chubby mousy little girl from his senior class in 1966 in central Ohio. In 1968, my cousin was born (who would turn out to be their only child). By 1972, my uncle was terribly miserable and depressed. He could not stand himself or his life or his lies anymore. He went out to my grandparents’ house in the middle of the night, snuck into the living room where my grandmother kept many boxes of family photos, and cut himself out of every photo of his childhood and young adulthood that he could find.

        Then he announced to his wife and everyone that he was gay. He and his wife divorced amid a great deal of acrimony and hate. She barred him from ever seeing his son again. And my grandparents said a lot of hurtful things. Then he promptly disappeared.

        Over the next 12 years or so he would resurface for a ten-minute phone call to my mum, or maybe an unsigned Christmas card from some farflung beach community.

        In 1989 he was diagnosed with HIV/AIDS (still known then as GRID, I think). In the summer of 1990, he was attacked in a park on the westside of Columbus, Ohio, and left for dead. Some people found him and he was taken to a local hospital, still alive but in a coma.

        After six weeks in a coma, he woke up but had some brain damage with some loss of memory and motor functions. My grandparents quickly swooped in and took him home.

        Because he was in such a child-like state most of the time, it offered a very rare (almost magical) opportunity for him and my grandparents to have a do-over. All the pain, all the hard feelings, all the hurt just wasn’t there because he couldn’t remember it.

        And since my grandparents had long regreted driving their son away, they let it all go, too.

        My uncle’s health deteriorated during those months (a result of the AIDS but also of the attack) and he died on December 27, 1991, at home, with his parents by his side. I know that both my grandparents counted themselves very very lucky.

        I wish that this father had had a similar lucky moment.

        • GayOldLady

          I very tragic, familiar story, but one with an ending that helped them all heal. Thank you for sharing.

      • ColdCountry

        He may have mispronounced the word, but he spelled it correctly. And his heart was surely in his words. He is brave to make himself that vulnerable to a crowd he knows will largely be unsympathetic.

        • GayOldLady

          Very brave.

  • Rex

    In recent weeks I do have to wonder, does it get better?

    • Nate

      I think this shows it does, he himself admitted he had anti-gay views, but he has moved his position. The more visible we are the better it gets for all of us.

      • Butch

        Still, I remember Lily Tomlin’s remark, something about how no matter how cynical you get you can never keep up. I’m really glad tonight is bowling league so I won’t have to watch the returns from Alabama on TV.

    • worstcultever

      IMO no it doesn’t. Though Dan’s campaign did/does tons of good and I applaud it wholeheartedly, Dan and I and most of us grew up in a country and a time that were optimal for freedom, rationalism, and humanism, not to mention shared prosperity. I thought it was America, but it was really just a weird blip of American goodness and coolness, the last gasp, really, of the New Deal.

    • Bluto

      For most, I believe it does. Sometimes it just takes longer to find your bee people.

    • Yes, but often only after growing up and moving away.

    • j.martindale

      It can. That is what we must tell the hopeless.

    • Randy Left Brooklyn

      Yes it does get better. Think about how things have changed since you were a child. There are always setbacks like W and the Reagan years but the trend is better.

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  • Bluto

    There’s no such thing as a perfect father but there are a lot of good fathers. This man is the latter.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Well said!

    • Or at least, he became the latter, if too late…

      • Bluto

        As a father myself I can vouch that it is not an easy job. Mistakes will be made but a real man who truly loves his child will acknowledge & correct those mistakes.

        • I’ll give you that. I just wish he could have saved her life…

          • Bluto

            Me too & obviously he feels the same.

        • David Walker

          For you and honest dads everywhere.

          • Bluto

            I have a daughter but the sentiment is the same. Thanks.

    • whollyfool

      Exactly. Thanks

  • gaycuckhubby

    My final prediction for the day… Doug Jones wins by 2 points

    • Frostbite

      Wish I shared your optimism. I unfortunately believe Moore will win by a landslide. All the protesting from congress and threats of ethics investigations will quietly go away. The only hope is that he is an albatross that drags the GOP down for years to come.

      • jmax

        My hope is that voters realize that Moore will be such a pariah in Congress that they will effectively only have one senator to represent their interests. I doubt they will think that deeply about it, but maybe.

      • So many variables though. Will African American and college age voters turn out or stay home? What will white suburban women do? I think you are probably right, though. I hate being right about shit like this, but lately Americans have lowered my already sub-basement view of their intelligence and ethics.

    • Dan Ryan

      I say Roy Moore by 10. I lived in N. FL, I know these hicks. They’re as dumb as the religion they seem to love so much.

      • Ninja0980

        Have to sadly agree.
        Hubby once had to do work outside Buffalo in Wyoming county, the reddest part of our state.
        Suffice to say that even though it was only two weeks, felt like a lifetime.
        You want to see the dumb hicks you talk about with northern accents, feel free to that part.
        Words can’t describe the stupid.

      • JCF

        The men. I think the women are going defy their husbands, to vote for Jones (or at least stay home).

    • Treant

      One hopes. I’ll take Moore +3. Alabama.

    • JCF

      I think it will be closer than that…but I also am going out on that limb: Doug Jones [I wouldn’t have said that even 2 days ago, but I feel like something has shifted]

  • Good. I wish he had been this kind about her earlier, and found a way to save her life…

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  • Friday’s_cat

    My Senator is Pat Toomey (r-Trumpuppet) doubtful he’ll do the right thing by voting for expulsion.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I wish my Dad would come around. I miss him. Good for this man.

    • medaka

      Your dad and my mother.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Hugs… same with my parents

    • Ninja0980

      Lucky my parents came around early.
      Such a shame so many others don’t.

      • Butch

        I remember how my relationship with my parents went south after I came out.

    • worstcultever

      My late dad succumbed to Limba and Fox addictions. I know it flummoxed him, his addiction to these bullshit artists and his love and admiration for me. Oh well. I gave him points for the flummoxitude.

    • Mrs. Councillor Nugent

      My father would take nearly a year to die from pancreatic cancer, in and out of hospital, with at the end, hospice care at home. Early on, we noticed and commented that the cousins from not all too far away, made no effort to visit him, even though we’d enjoyed their company at holidays. One first cousin was gay, and even in 1980, proudly out. Someone queried that we had somehow made him uncomfortable because he was gay, and that is why he didn’t visit. My father, even as he was descending the path of no return, responded “I would never hold that against anyone. His words haunt me still. But I found out the reasoning behind his statement after his death when I came across a box of pictures that no one had looked at in years, and my mother somehow didn’t destroy. There was a whole series of pictures of this one guy–I’ll let readers draw their own conclusions:

  • Tawreos

    I have mixed feelings about this, part of me wonders what he would think a lesbian daughter with a pulse, but I am also sorry for his loss and grateful that he attempted to use his loss to make a change.

    • ColdCountry

      Apparently he did come around and apologize. Poor man could not save his daughter, however.

      • Tawreos

        That is better than having come to terms with it after her death.

  • Ninja0980

    Said it last night and I’ll say it here.
    The only reason this man and so many others reject their LGBT children is because of stuff written in books 2,000 years ago.
    Some find their way back(in some cases too late) and some never do.
    Religion is poison, simple as that.

    • Sporkfighter

      Some people will tell you about the friendship, the sense of community they get from religion. Maybe they do. But what they don’t say, they don’t realise, is that they are taught never to think through their beliefs, never to judge the rightness of their actions by the likely consequences but to hold to ancient stock answers from the entitled white men of the day designed to maintain an unjust status quo.

      • JCF

        This is patently FALSE. “Thinking through our beliefs” is one of the FIRST things taught to Episcopalians (at every age). I grew up Episcopalian, and remain one today, BECAUSE I *think through my beliefs* Every.Single.Day.

        I express my RAGE for Christianists, and other religious bigots, constantly here at JMG (among other places, many FAR less friendly!). I am *sincerely sorry* for the immense, catastrophic pain inflicted on so many of you, by hate-filled religions. But *my* faith—if it’s the only one (I don’t think it is)—has been nothing but life-affirming—and THOUGHT-affirming. This “poison” has enriched My Queer Life for almost 56 years now. It has been something I wish for all of you here: a blessing. Big beautiful queer blessings to all…

        • Sporkfighter

          People of your faith are rare, quiet, or choose to fly under the radar.

          • JCF

            I like to think my tenor voice isn’t too quiet! At any rate: on the *off-chance* you should find yourself in NorCal this Sunday, I cordially invite you (all y’all!) to the service of Lesson&Carols (a little scripture, but mainly lots o’ singing. Yours Truly’s performing a solo *in French*: pray for me! :-X). 5PM. Baked Potato Supper (choice of toppings!) to follow. 2140 Mission Ave, Carmichael CA Joyeux Noel!


  • AmeriCanadian

    Parental regret. This movie brought tears to my eyes. Prayers for Bobby.


    There has to be a limit to what people will defend for political expediency but who out there thought a a year ago that saying that voting for a pedophile was okay would be BEFORE that limit? Anybody? Even I thought more of Republicans than that and I was wrong. But then I also thought significant numbers of white suburban women would refuse to vote for the pussy-grabber, but I was wrong about that too. I know I saw all the steps up to this point but doesn’t there have to be a limit to what people will tolerate in order to win? This was the party that used to run on “family values” after all. I just don’t know what to say any more.

    • worstcultever

      Two words – Fox News. It has destroyed our nation.

      • if only it were that simple. Well before Fox News we had right wing talk radio which was and is much worse. A lot of what we hear bandied about in the conservative mainstream is from ultra right wing talk radio on Sirius. So even without Fox on cable, this would still be a thing. But it is part of that landscape, to be sure.

    • Tawreos

      The sources they get their news from hasn’t made this an issue. When Trumps tape came out they buried under Hillary’s emails. Their news has convinced them that anything negative about their candidate is fake news and an attempt by the liberals to smear a godly man so it is safe to ignore it and vote as Jesus would want them to, in blind ignorance and fear.

      • marshlc

        And a lot of people don’t really pay much attention to politics (I know, crazy, right?) It’s difficult and policy is kinda boring, and they’re busy with their own lives. So they will have heard about pussygate, but someone in their circle – probably their husband – told them that it was all lies, and they believed that.

        My niece. She;s a decent person, reasonably intelligent, but nobody would ever mistake her for an intellectual. She lives in the country within commuting distance of a major city, lots of acreages, lots of horses, everyone around her is either small town farming folk, or well off exurbanites. She swims in a sea of conservatism. If she sees something that troubles her about the conservatives that she supports, there is always someone around her to explain it away, and she hasn’t the interest or the curiosity to explore it further. She’ll vote, if she’s in town on election day, but would never consider researching the issues beforehand – she just casts a conservative vote the way she buys brand name laundry detergent – because that’s what people like her do, and it would be a little weird to go off-brand.

        It might be different in the states, where passions are more inflamed, but around here, I’d guess that easily half of the conservative voters are like her – they have a few fixed ideas about politics and otherwise never think about it. They don’t know anyone different from them, and they don’t listen to the news. They only get fired up enough to actually think about it if something happens that directly affects them – and there is always somebody close by to tell them that it’s all the liberals’ fault.

        • Ninja0980

          Many can sadly be said on our side as well.

        • One should never underestimate the intellectual laziness of the typical American. I know this type well. In a few years when the tax law being passed now kicks in she will be shocked that her taxes went up. Rant for a day and then go back to voting for Republicans because they are “fiscally conservative” (even though in practice they are nothing of the kind).

          • jerry

            Or believe the lies that the tax increases were because of the Democrats. The GOP is expecting to lose considerable seats in the midterm, and the timing of the tax increases on the middle class are perfectly timed with the 2020 elections.

    • JAKvirginia

      America loves its myths. (Re: Marvel comics’ huge financial success.) It bought the myth that Donnie was a superlative businessman. It bought the myth that Hillary was a child-molesting, war-mongering danger. And now we are living the greatest mythtake this country has ever made.

  • Phil Touchette

    There is good everywhere. There are people willing to change everywhere. Alabama, despite all the Roy Moores, has lovely people. Let’s not forget that. Let’s hope they prevail.

  • worstcultever

    This guy’s realness touches me a lot, and breaks my heart. Good on what he’s doing.

  • BeaverTales

    It’s a shame that sometimes we have to die before our families see the light.

    • worstcultever

      It’s a shame that cynical for-profit divisive TV bullshit is so real to so many people – more real than reality itself, more real than the real breathing people in their own families and communities.

    • marshlc

      As the mother of a queer daughter, I just don’t understand it.

      I thought “Oh, no, this is going to make her life more difficult” when she came out to me, and “What if they’re right? What if I just told her ‘no, you’re not allowed to be a lesbian’ and this would all go away” passed through my head – and passed right out again, because, well, duh.

      She’s my daughter. I had at that point had her central to my life for fifteen years, loved her and cared for her and thought about her welfare and well being, had built a complex relationship of trust and interconnectivity since the moment she was born – how the hell could I do anything but support her? I just don’t understand any other response.

      My heart breaks for all of you who have stories about your families not accepting you. I don’t know what to do with all the sorrow and rage – just want you to know that not all parents are like that.

      • jmax

        Would you please adopt me? : )

      • AmeriCanadian

        Many of us wished with all of our hearts for parents like you! Thank you!!!

  • greenmanTN

    I read a longer article about this man last night that had more detail but not everything. He had a negative reaction when she first came out but he DID apologize to her for the things he said. The timeline was vague but my reading of the article made it sound like it wasn’t long afterward.

    Sadly, likely due to religious beliefs his daughter wanted to change her sexuality and attempted reparative therapy.

    • Ninja0980

      And like so many others… she ended up “curing” her pain with suicide.

  • BearEyes

    Sounds like he gets it. Late for his daughter, but if he changes another person’s mind, so be it.

    • AmeriCanadian

      That’s my hope too. If his message reaches someone who can prevent another tragedy, then he will have accomplished something good. Like I stated in another post, I don’t know the details of his daughter’s suicide. I hope he wasn’t directly responsible but I suspect his words and actions contributed. At least that’s what came across.

    • ColdCountry

      From what someone else said, he did get it earlier, and apologized to her. It’s a shame it wasn’t enough to help her get through.

  • Ninja0980

    Sad to say, I know “parents” that will never reach the realization this man does and their children have given up trying.

    • worstcultever

      It’s usually religion that makes the gulf unbreachable. Thank gods my parents weren’t religious. Despite being brainwashed by RW radio and tv, they came to my goddamn gay wedding with bells on. Dad toasting: “Two brides are better than one!”

      Religion poisons everything and makes impossible that kind of sweetness.

      • Ninja0980

        My one close friend’s “parents” fit that mold to a T.
        They will never, ever accept him and have made that clear.

  • normadesmond

    Learning from our mistakes- there is nothing better.

    • JCF

      …except learning BEFORE it is too late (to save our own loved one—I honestly believe Mr Mathis may yet save other people’s LBGT daughters and sons).

  • Mark McGovern

    I love this guy.

  • MaryJOGrady

    This poor man has learned a bitter lesson. How brave of him to stand up the way he did, where he did.

  • Preach it Pops! Thank you!

  • TuuxKabin

    A modicum of gratitude would not be out of order.

    Thank you Mr. Mathis. A man of strength and integrity among many lesser ones.

    • JAKvirginia

      The hardest words to say at times: I was wrong.

  • EqualityForAll

    It’s extremely sad that a father has to lose his cherished daughter to suicide before realizing how insignificant her sexual orientation really was. She had to kill herself in order for him to wash his anti-gay feelings away. Pathetic, actually.

    • leastyebejudged

      He suffers like many of us suffer, longing for those who passed prior to the big changes the right to marriage has brought.

      It’s unbeatable for many of us.

    • Edmund Allin

      Yes, but… most of us say cruel, thoughtless things to people we love and then, one day, it’s too late to take it back.

    • ColdCountry

      According to one article, he did realize, and apologize, but she couldn’t love herself. Religion is poison, no doubt about it.

  • Homer Fogbottom

    This documentary shows what it is like for those of us that have lost loved ones to conservative propagandists 🙁

  • leastyebejudged

    I’m not crying… I’m not…

  • Once you get past his pronunciation of “prevert”, this is compelling testimony.

    • BeaverTales

      It’s frustrating to him that his daughter got labeled as a ‘prevert’ despite having harmed no one, but Moore is like Teflon and will continue to live long enough to destroy the country..

    • JCF

      It’s what tells you he’s local.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Alabama, today’s the day…sadly, I don’t have high hopes that you will do the right thing. Sigh….

    • Ann Kah

      Against all the odds, I think Jones has won! “Even in Alabama. . .”

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I am thrilled to have been wrong.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Thank you, sir! Thank you. I hope your story touches hearts so that others understand that us LGBTs are people.

  • Unfortunately, a sizable proportion of US voters seem to be in awe and adoration of someone who can brag about sexually assaulting women, who can give his full backing to a congressional candidate likewise accused of multiple counts of sexual assault including that of a minor, who can stiff his contractors and fleece his investors with six spectacular bankruptcies, who can tell lies about his lies, rob from the poor to give to the rich, deny healthcare to the poor, tear up clean air, soil and water agreements, sell off public parklands, yet still remain ensconced in the highest political office in the free world.

    What is even more incomprehensible to me, is that Trump is the darling of the Christian Right. Since when were sexual assault, adultery, lying through your teeth, corporate theft and poisoning the rivers manifestations of ideal Christian behaviour? How in the hell does such wicked behaviour attract the most votes? It’s all very well to condemn politicians, but they don’t walk into office on their own. I’d like to understand voter behaviour far better than I currently do. Why do they vote against their own best interests and that of their compatriots?