SURROGACY WTF: House Rep. Trent Franks Resigns Over Having Asked Female Staffers To Carry His Babies

Welp, I bet nobody picked THIS one in the scandal pool.

The Washington Examiner reports:

The sex-harassment scandals have ended the career of a conservative congressman who says his sin was discussing surrogate motherhood. Rep. Trent Franks, Arizona Republican, announced Thursday that he was resigning from Congress, saying that he didn’t want to go through the way his actions would be distorted and leaked about in the current climate.

He said that he had learned that the House Ethics Committee was reviewing complaints about his discussions with two female aides about surrogate motherhood. Rather than suffer through an investigation, he said, he decided to step down.

From his Wiki page: Franks and his wife, Josephine, have been married since 1980; they are members of the North Phoenix Baptist Church. In August 2008, a donor egg and surrogate were used to give birth to their twins, Joshua Lane and Emily Grace.

  • safari

    I guess we should be glad he asked for consent.

    • Bill

      Lol!
      Right!?!?!??
      “I’m wasn’t being a perv, I just wanted her to have my baby!”

    • crewman

      “What I asked them was so innocent and well intentioned that I am resigning my seat in the House.”

      Pardon me while I wait to hear another side of this story.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Me too. Asking that question is not sexual harassment. If done in a creepy way with perv overtones is. I want to hear from the women who filed the complaints.

        • skyweaver

          I disagree. One need not grab boobs or proposition or talk in a creepy way to an underling solely. I’m sure Franks was downright honorable-y when he asked these two women to carry (or think about carrying) his child. I’m sure he was quite clinical since he’s been in the surrogacy situation before. The difference is that in that first situation, presumably the discussions and subsequent pregnancy did not happen at his workplace and involved parties that agreed to discuss it in the first place. These women were at their workplace being approached by their boss. It was certainly inappropriate and whether he meant to or not I cannot conceive of any way this was not intensely uncomfortable for them.

        • I’ve been involved with HR recruiting in the past.

          There are certain types of questions and behavior which are by definition out-of-bounds. One of these is if your boss asks you to do ANYTHING that is not in your job position description, especially if a refusal to comply could be followed by unequal treatment or retaliation. Doesn’t even matter if the retaliation happens.

          Franks, as boss, had power over these women’s jobs and careers. They were his *subordinates*. Not family members and not women who’d signed up voluntarily with surrogacy services.

          In these kinds of workplace dynamics, pressure and/or coercion to comply can be presumed to exist and retaliation reasonably feared. EVEN IF that retaliation simply takes the form of not receiving promotions or being given unfavorable work assignments.

          The very act of Franks asking the question of both these women changed the dynamic of their workplace environment, and not in a good way for them.

          • GeoffreyPS

            Thank you for what you wrote. The issue felt very wrong from a power dynamic, but I was having a hard time explaining why when talking to someone else about it.

          • EyeJelly

            I think so too, at the same time I’m not sure jettisoning someone’s career is the appropriate response.

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          • ChrisMorley
          • killreligion

            Of course, but let’s see. I would not be surprised if the request came with a suggestion to perform natural insemination. Likely with a wink and a chuckle.

          • Librarykid

            “Let me know when your oven is preheated and ready.”

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          • EyeJelly

            Your definition of “out-of-bounds” would seem to include things like “How was your vacation?”, “Have you tried the new sandwich place next door?” or “Can you recommend an orthodontist?”

      • Sporkfighter

        Asking a coworker is one thing. Depending on the relationship between the people, it could be fine. Asking a subordinate is inappropriate.

    • Consent can be presumed to be at least partially coerced when it’s your boss doing the asking. Whether it’s surrogacy or sex.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        What if it’s a fellow JMGer? Asking for friend.

    • Snarkaholic

      …only because he doesn’t think raping them would result in them being knocked up.

      • Librarykid

        Oh yea! Remember that Rethug Todd Akin who said women could not get pregnant from rape because the body would take care of that or something similar?

      • doninkansas

        After all, when youtoo are being raped you can shut all stuff done and the woman won’t get preggo

    • Todd20036

      “carry my child or you’re fired.”

      • JAKvirginia

        Oh, those pesky terms and conditions!

    • Duh-David

      “Hey baby, wanna have my baby?” is not the correct way to recruit surrogates.

  • bkmn

    He was just looking for a sexretary.

  • Bluto
    • MT YVR

      Sarah? Is that you Sarah? As a dragking?

      Oh. Neigh, it’s not.

    • JAKvirginia

      His name’s Vinnie, right?

      • fkevin

        I was curious enough to search. Richardo Forte: Openly bisexual Argentinian personality who died age 45 in 2012 of cardiac arrest who had children by surrogacy.

  • Pollos Hermanos
    • AlternativeQuacks

      I’m kinda with you on this. This story smells like a fake scandal to cover up the real scandal to me.

      • JAKvirginia

        Yessss…. can we see what the ladies complained about, Congressman?

    • Joe in PA

      I’d believe anything Jon had to say. Mmm mmm mm.

  • Tomcat

    Family values party, REICH.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Family values arent in opposition to surragacy

  • MarkBuster

    So he asked them to carry his child? Is THAT sexual ? Did I harass my sister in law 20 years ago and not even know it?

    • band

      Did she work for you?

      • MarkBuster

        for almost a year, two ivf’s.. and 8.5 months. yes.

  • Helen Damnation™

    Surrogate motherhood, instead of Russian adoptions? I’m not buying a damn minute of it.

    • clay

      Franks appears to have attempted adoption, but was only willing to accept healthy new born Americans.

      • Snarkaholic

        A college classmate of mine…a middle-aged lady…adopted two children with her husband. The first one was from South America (I forget which country), and the second one was from Korea.
        She told the class that you don’t get to pick and choose; you go wherever the agency sends you and adopt the child they designate.

        • clay

          But Franks tried to do private adoption through the Christianist “crisis pregnancy center” he started, controlling the women’s lives during their pregnancies.

          • Snarkaholic

            Oh.

  • Guess

    The Handmaid’s Tale, ver.2017.0

  • Tomcat

    WHAT???? You mean that is frowned on? Well hells bells.

  • Tomcat

    Creating little republicans is only part of the job.

  • Ray Page

    I’m sure there’s a scripture that says it’s godly to badger coworkers to be your fetus locker.

    • coram nobis

      The one about the handmaid. Genesis 16.

      Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, bore him no children; and she had a handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
      2 And Sarai said unto Abram, “Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing. I pray thee, go in unto my maid. It may be that I may obtain children by her.” And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
      3 And Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
      — KJV21

  • Pluto Animus

    “Ladies, come into my office. I’ve got a special bonus for you.”

  • Christopher

    “Hey! You got good birthin’ hips.”

    Pickup lines aren’t what they used to be.

    • AlternativeQuacks

      I remember hearing clueless guys actually use that as a pickup line in bars. Back in the 80s. It didn’t work back then either.

  • Tomcat

    Tis better to plant your seed within the belly of a whore than upon the ground.
    Somewhere in that fable book it says that.

    • edrex

      um… what about upon the belly of a whore? just wondering.

    • TampaDink

      Come guzzling whores unite!

    • coram nobis

      The story of Oman.

      • BobSF_94117

        Onan. Happens to be illegal in Oman, I assume.

        • coram nobis

          There’s also the expression “Oman” sometimes when it spills.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Woah. I dont have a big problem with this.

    • Tomcat

      Unless you like paying for his children you do.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Huh?

        • Tomcat

          Do you really think he plans to pay for the baby, that is our job, he just squirts the baby juice.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Asking that of your subordinate is waaaaaaaay out of line.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Assuming that it wasn’t part of the job description, of course.

      • AlternativeQuacks

        Well, he can’t very well ask that from random women at the gas station or supermarket. Or maybe he does.

        • CB

          There are services that match people with surrogates. You don’t ask colleagues.

          • Exactly. It starts with the consent of the woman signing up to be a surrogate in the first place.

            It’s all about where the power lies in the relationship:
            – Ask family member? Fine.
            – Ask a ‘professional’ surrogate? Fine.
            – Ask someone who works for you, or over whom you have any power such that a ‘yes’ answer could in any circumstances be seen as coerced or pressured? Not fine.

    • GayOldLady

      He doesn’t want us to hear the stories of the women he propositioned so he resigned. If a married man wanted to ask a subordinate female to be a surrogate don’t you think he would have invited his wife to be part of the process of asking the women? I do. I can only imagine what the real story is here and it isn’t pretty.

      • Snarkaholic

        It probably involved an attempt to save money on medical fees by inseminating her right there…on the desk…with his wang.

    • That’s because (1) you’re not a woman and (2) it wasn’t YOUR boss—y’know, someone who can fire you or ruin your career—asking you to carry his baby to term, risking your health and life.

      • GayOldLady

        Too many men have absolutely no idea what sort of BS many women deal with in the business world.

        • UrsusArctos 🐻

          I don’t get it. It’s as if NONE of these douchebags have women in their lives. Having a mother/sister/daughter/ANY fucking female (hell male) relative ought to stop you from pulling this shit on someone else’s relative.
          My dick has done a LOT of “thinking” on it’s own, but I always have a veto. Anyone abusing women are morons.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I agree. I did some more thinking and I see how it is very inappropriate

  • TKW

    Hmm…or maybe there were other things he didn’t want uncovered.

    • Thank you! He thought he had to resign over that while Roy Moore is on his way to Washington? Yeah, there’s more to this story. But, reading between the lines of this, there are a lot more members of congress about to resign by the end of the year.

      • TampaDink

        Maybe hair furor will just disband congress altogether.

        • Snarkaholic

          Not necessarily…because the resulting extra work would intrude upon his golfing time.

          • TampaDink

            He’d just have Jared run be the legislative branch.

        • Craig Howell

          Who needs to wait for the mid-terms? Clean House NOW!

          • TampaDink

            I worry that none of us will survive until the midterms.

  • AlternativeQuacks

    You mean that wasn’t in the job description?

  • Homo Erectus
  • bkmn

    This is a new take on the Franking privilege

  • JoeMyGod
    • zhera

      The entire GOP should do what George did: At all times do the opposite of what his instincts told him to do.

  • Conservative pick up line #278

    Hey baby, I got some sperm, that would love to meet your eggs!

  • MT YVR

    Nope. Nope, totally don’t buy it. I preferred mine. I was half way to a script for a pitch for a Netflix Original Movie about it.

    So no, SOB. Not this time. MY version is better.

    Also… I can cross over it with this story through the “husbandry” comment. THERE’S the sheep…

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      I hear Kevin Spacey is available and has a few ins at Netflix. It could work.

  • Tomcat
    • nocadrummer

      ^^^ THAT and “I’ve Never Been to Me” are probably THE worst songs EVER!

      • Michael R

        I’ll throw in ” Muskrat love”

        • coram nobis

          “Seasons in the Sun” another one, at least in the romantic category.

          • CB

            Oh gosh yes.

          • Snarkaholic

            For a crappy romantic song, Nancy Sinatra’s Bang Bang ties with this one.

        • Snarkaholic

          For me, the Macarena is #3.

        • Cuberly Deux

          Noooooooooooo!

        • UrsusArctos 🐻

          I first read that as “Throw up in ‘Muskrat Love'”

        • nocadrummer

          At least ML (and those mentioned by others) doesn’t have that icky “a woman’s place is in the home to have children and blindly obey their husbands” feel.

      • Snarkaholic

        Holy hell…those are the two worst songs on my list, too!
        That Charlene bitch lists all the ways in which she fucked up her own relationships…and then has the audacity to TELL the other lady, not suggest, but TELL, how to behave with her own boyfriend/husband!

        • coram nobis

          That triggered another memory, similar song. “Wives and Lovers.” It was all over the AM dial for some years. Unsolicited advice to stay-at-home housewives how to tart up.

          Hey, little girl, comb your hair, fix your make-up, soon he will open the door,
          Don’t think because there’s a ring on your finger, you needn’t try any more …

          Urg.

          • Snarkaholic

            Not familiar with that particular song, but ewwww!

          • coram nobis

            It’s horrible. It’s like a time-machine trip to the Mad Men period.

            … For wives should always be lovers, too
            Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
            I’m warning you

            Day after day
            There are girls at the office
            And men will always be men
            Don’t send him off
            With your hair still in curlers
            You may not see him again

            For wives should always be lovers, too
            Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
            He’s almost here

            Hey, little girl
            Better wear something pretty
            Something you’d wear to go to the city
            And dim all the lights
            Pour the wine, start the music
            Time to get ready for love …

          • Craig Howell

            Tammy Faye’s theme song back in the day.

          • Snarkaholic

            Barf! Then, when the lady hits middle age, the man will be blaming her aging for driving him to cheat.

          • coram nobis

            Or he’ll trade this vehicle in on a newer model. Maybe Lolita from the typing pool.

          • nocadrummer

            I loved the way Joanne [Karen Black] did it in “Come Back to the 5 & Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean” (1982). Over the top, “just like…Eydie Gormé!”

      • CB

        I would add “Horse with No Name” to that list.

        • coram nobis

          Indeed. Lousy lyrics and few chords. No sappy romantic or misogynistic stuff, though.

        • Snarkaholic

          YESSSSSSSSSSSS!

        • Zeldacat

          To quote Dave Barry, “NAME THE DAMN HORSE.”

      • Craig Howell

        Oh, Lawdy! Have you started a Bonfire of the Inanities with the JMG crowd?

      • Cuberly Deux

        It’s a killer earworm of the highest order. (shudder)

    • Cuberly Deux

      Oh darn it, ya beat me to it. Curses!

  • Ninja0980

    Well, no one saw that coming did they?

    • Tomcat

      Don’t know why however, there have been movies about just this thing.

  • JerryRich

    As Franks and his wife have already used a surrogate, they must know of the proper way to go about this, even by asking a close friend. What the hell?

  • Pluto Animus

    “No, Trent, it’s Freedom Caucus, not Freedom Cock.”

  • mickey

    Interesting way to minimize asking subordinates for sex.
    “I was asking her to carry my baby”
    Sure….

    • Steverino

      Notice he didn’t mention surrogacy via a turkey baster.

    • Steverino

      Notice he didn’t mention surrogacy via a turkey baster.

      • coram nobis

        They needed it for Thanksgiving.

    • Steverino

      Notice he didn’t mention surrogacy via a turkey baster.

  • Statistics Palin

    Baptists really do think of “The Handmaid’s Tale” as porn!

    • bkmn

      more like an instruction manual

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      Documentary

  • Ninja0980

    Sure there is more to it then this for him to resign so fast.

  • Michael R
    • D. Gray

      That was exactly the lyrics that popped into my tired old head.

  • Megrim Twist
  • And today’s cliffhanger from the Trumpestry soap opera comes from Trent Franks. Well, unless something else happens today, which is probably more than likely. Am I allowed to say that Mr Franks is a silly arse? Geez.

  • Megrim Twist
  • nocadrummer

    I need new glasses.
    I thought he resigned for having asked female staffers to carry his BIBLES.

  • nocadrummer

    I need new glasses.
    I thought he resigned for having asked female staffers to carry his BIBLES.

    • edrex

      frankly, that should be resignation worthy as well.

    • Reality.Bites

      That’s the heterosexual version of luggage lifting

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    So many turkey basters left over after Thanksgiving. What do do with them all??
    Trent Franks: 💡💡💡💡 !

  • Ninja0980

    Sure there is more to it then this for him to resign so fast.

  • Stev84

    A common story with this stuff is that many people seem to have huge problems distinguishing what can be ok to say or do in a private setting and what’s ok at work.

  • leastyebejudged

    Those whacky Baptists !

  • andrew

    Say what?

    • leastyebejudged

      Say, wanna carry ma b b, b b

  • edrex

    may he and his wife be barren forever. too many folks should never raise children.

    • John Kusters

      They already have kids from a previous surrogacy.

      • edrex

        how sad for the children.

  • And today’s cliffhanger from the Trumpestry soap opera comes from Trent Franks. Well, unless something else happens today, which is probably more than likely. Am I allowed to say that Mr Franks is a silly arse? Geez.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Michael R

      Now do Trump

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Ewwww. You do Trump!

        • Snarky

          Let’s all agree to not do Trump. That’s Mueller’s job.

          • OdieDenCO

            it’s why we pay him the big bucks.

          • safari

            There’s no way to prep for a Mueller.

      • Tom Ato

        liar, liar, bo-biar
        Banana-fana fo-fiar
        Fee-fi-mo-miar
        liar!

        • coram nobis

          As we used to say in middle school, “Let’s try our luck with Chuck!”

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      DO. NOT. WANT. TO. SEE. ANY. EVIDENCE.

      *Sheepish look* Sorry

  • leastyebejudged

    They couldn’t just raise an adopted child, the way God intended.

    Baptists. Modern Catholics !

    • clay

      The story is he used his own “crisis pregnancy center” to rope three women into agreeing to give him their children. Each of the three, after working with him for months, took their babies and ran.

      And the very idea of adopting a child more than a month old . . . and from a country as foreign as his wife’s . . .

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Wow!

      • gaycuckhubby

        Wait. Really?

      • The_Wretched

        That’s rather extreme and yet another reason to close the crisis pregnancy centers.

  • Pip

    Wow, did not call that one.

    So, I guess the question is, did he just suggest that they carry a baby for them? Did he suggest that he impregnate them the ‘natural way’? For some reason I just feel that there’s more to this story than “I just needed a baby momma for my children, and asked the wrong way/people.”

    • How about we just start with the idea it’s really, really, really wrong to ask someone whose job and career depends on remaining in your good graces to risk her health and life to rent her womb to you.

      • Pip

        Oh, I’m with you on that. I just feel that there’s just a lot more here than he’s letting on. Maybe it’s just because any time a Republican opens their mouth or issues a statement I immediately think they’re lying. I don’t know…

        • It’s possible. There’s been rumors there was more explicit sexual harassment from him, too.

      • clay

        You mean . . . she’s more than just a cabbage patch?

        Feminism: the simple proposition that women are more than just a cabbage patch.

  • ben
  • FlKeysKevin

    So, what? He should’ve asked the male staffers too? 😉

  • GanymedeRenard

    WTF?

  • clay

    Since he’s so opposed to abortion, did he decide to NOT use in vitro artificial this time? I mean, it’d be murder to flush the extras, or to use them for research, or to sell them for stem cells, or were they just going to freeze them?

    Conversely, was he asking only for surrogacy because he was going to use their previous baby-pops in order to avoid (super early, like IUD early) abortion?

  • Halou

    Imagine if this was the nature of American politics in 1776, or 1861, or 1941.

  • Jeffrey

    Complete bullshit. Married for nearly 40 years and want a surrogate?

  • AlternativeQuacks

    But wait…. there’s still an unexpected twist to this story.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/h4wiZB9Rqf4/maxresdefault.jpg

  • Scoot

    Something’s missing in this story.

  • clay

    Who doesn’t want to become a new parent at 61 years of age?
    You’d get to see you kids graduate from high school while older than the median life expectancy!

  • Xaca

    And he’s Baptist, not LDS.

    • Max_1

      Imagine a Babtist on LSD…

  • Slim Compersion

    For Republicans sex is only about reproduction, so it makes sense that sexual harassment would be about reproduction too.

  • Snarky

    Where “be a surrogate mom to his baby” really means “asked staffers if he could fuck them while they bend over his desk and read ‘Atlas Shrugged’ to him.”

    • safari

      Art

      • coram nobis

        … into life.

  • gaycuckhubby

    I have to think that the Democrats knew about this and had it (and many more yet to come) in mind when they moved en masse yesterday to ask Franken to resign.

    • The_Wretched

      Huh, nonsewuitor for 200.

  • Cuberly Deux

    I’ll just put this here…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFHWl-ZyRAg

    • coram nobis

      And as a rebuttal witness, the Plaintiffs call Carly Simon to the stand.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7HgO9QhAc

      • Christopher Smith

        One of her very best tunes.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      That song makes me think of the TV show “Mad About You”.

  • safari

    Guys California is on fire. More.
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/938929690399641600

    • safari

      Also, there was another school shooting today. Just in case you’d like to know that.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Huh… it didnt even make it to the news

        • Apparently these days it takes at least a dozen dead to make the national news.

          • JCF

            “MAGA!”

        • Ninja0980

          So common not even shocking anymore.

          • Todd20036

            But we need more guns.

        • RobynWatts
        • zhera

          My friend who was in the US recently had a comment on the US news. She said it was as if USA was the entire world, nothing existed beyond the borders. She barely learned about Puerto Rico’s trouble and that’s a US territory!

          I read about the school shooting today in Norwegian news. Because we get news from all over.

  • Andymac3

    Thank for staying late for your evaluation, now, have you considered how good you would look pregnant with my baby inside you?

  • Gigi

    This is just a hop, skip and fertilized egg away from The Handmaid’s Tale.

  • safari

    What if … now stop me here … this is just a cover for worse things he did?

    • Cuberly Deux

      In the Politico article it said there were accusations of harassment as well, but Franks denies those.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • safari

      The direction was civil war.

      • Also, that direction was “expand westward, displacing and frequently murdering the indigenous inhabitants already living in these lands.”

        • UrsusArctos 🐻

          “murdering the indigenous inhabitants already living in these lands” started LONG before the Civil War. Removals and massacres started on the east coast as soon as whites arrived, reached a high(?) point with the Trail of Tears, then continued until today more or less.
          Most of GA/AL/MS plantation country was woodland/Indian territories until gold was found in GA and Andrew Jackson did his ethnic cleansing (Trail of Tears).
          But the tribes WERE moved as families. /snark
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/533c8a3b804be12670e4b05c967f2807999b12fa03ca140523b46d453ff50744.png

    • Slave families cared for one another…until their white masters decided to rape their slave women and break up these families by selling them apart from each other.

      • JCF

        THIS.

    • Jonathan Smith

      That CAN NOT be real?!?!?!?!
      No one is that fucking tone deaf

      • clay

        Uh, Trent Franks claimed Africans were better off during Slavery because they weren’t having as many abortions.

        Yeah, no, he did not supply supporting documentation.

  • JohnJay

    That could be quite a scam. He gives them a touching story about how he wants children; they feel for him and agree to surrogate. He has sex with them “trying” to have kids… but not telling them he’s had a vasectomy last year.

  • sadoldguy

    What if the staffers he asked turn out to be guys?

  • Joe in PA

    who says his sin was discussing surrogate motherhood…

    Thank you Washington Examiner for brilliant summation. Get that from Fox News?

    So, lets find out what plans he had for conceiving of said children. Fucking pig.

    • Bryan

      Jeez, talk about falling on his sword…

  • gaycuckhubby

    Thank you Gillibrand and Senate women for getting the ball rolling

    • Bryan

      It’s a start.

      Now, where are Collins and Murkowski…

      • They’re off in denial, pretending the House and Senate leadership haven’t already reneged on the promises made to secure their votes on the GOP tax bill.

        • safari

          Collins said she “might” reconsider her vote if her amendment isn’t in the negotiated bill. Meanwhile clergy are held up in her Portland office saying they’ll remain until arrested or she changes her vote to “no”.

          • clay
          • safari

            I just learned that under the current bill, if you make less than $500,000 you can incorporate yourself, and if your employer agrees to sign with your corporation, you can pay a much lower tax rate. Evidently this works because your corporation can claim all income as profit — taxed at a lower rate — and just claim it doesn’t pay its one employee at a taxable rate.

          • Christopher

            But it costs money to incorporate.

            I know. We were thinking of doing this with our bookstore years ago, but it was too expensive.

            Just another way to make the “little guy” feel important while picking his pocket.

          • There are a number of business structures nowadays which aren’t nearly as expensive as full-on incorporation, including LLCs and S-Corps. It’s C-Corps which really cost the big bucks.

          • BobSF_94117

            Why would C-corps cost a lot?

          • BobSF_94117

            Incorporation isn’t expensive. It’s a couple hundred dollars a year in many states, some up to $800 (CA). Of course, your tax prep and accounting get more complicated, but it’s not difficult and the software isn’t that expensive either (few hundred to a couple thousand).

          • Christopher

            That’s a helluva lot of money for a pissant little bookstore in the middle of Cousinfuckerville, that doesn’t even make enough to employ anyone.

            There’s absolutely no way my store can afford to do that.

          • BobSF_94117

            It may be too much for very small enterprises with little to no profit, but they wouldn’t be paying taxes anyway.

            I was responding in the context of “if you make less than $500,000 you can incorporate yourself” up there ^^^^

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            LLCs are the reason the “Pass-through” is being protected. MANY small business (my 2 person business included) are LLCs because it was designed to allow small companies to pay tax at the personal rate which is usually lower than corporate (except for those larger corps that had tax accountants to drive their rate to 0 or negative rates.)
            “Pass-through” grew to become a loophole for Wall St and eventually some YUGE LLCs formed o pass highly taxable income through to executives at the personal rate.
            Because of that I expect some of us small businesses will get to keep that break, but not because it’s good for small business.

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            Self employment tax would then hit you. You’d have to pay your and the employees share (since you’d be self-employed) of FICA. That’s 15% up to $117k, then 1.45% up to $200k, then 2.34% on the rest.

          • Every tea-leaf I’ve seen so far on the conference bill is none of her asks are yet in the negotiated bill.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I swear by 2020 people will look back to yesterday and today and say “that was when Gillibrand became President”

          • BobSF_94117

            So we can look forward to another presidency which ignores the rule of law and acts “boldly”. Marvelous.

        • Bryan

          Too bad they feel they can’t speak up.

        • The_Wretched

          As I said a few days ago, it was a farce to accept a promise from McDonnel and Trump.

      • RobynWatts

        Voting on tax cuts for the 1% while gutting our safety net programs.

    • JackNasty

      Witch hunts are lots of fun.

      Who needs due process when you have anonymous accusations?

  • Watching “All In” w/Chris Hayes is really depressing right now. Apparently Republicans (Congress, Fox News) are arguing the only people who should be allowed to investigate Trump’s treason are those who would never choose to investigate it in the first place and would immediately shut down any such investigation.

    • safari
      • gaycuckhubby

        I was JUST about to post that.
        Its a complete farce

      • gaycuckhubby

        I thought we were limited to one McMuffin fanboy a post!
        I was here first! 😘

        • Rambie

          We can share. 😉

      • Grimes

        Damnit, the one Republican I constantly agree with

    • Bryan

      Rep Farendthold: “We should investigate the Clinton administration instead…”

      • Cuberly Deux

        Quite the firecracker ain’t he?

        • Bryan

          Him glasses Blake make smarts.

          • Cuberly Deux

            He’s been accused of being drunk during the day. He actually sounded sorta lit in that little segment there.

    • sadoldguy

      But will it backfire?
      Will congress stand up for Muller?

      This stuff has scary consequences if it continues.

    • William

      Why don’t they debate how many angels can dance on the head of Comey?

  • gaycuckhubby
  • gaycuckhubby
    • Ninja0980

      Took long enough.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Hopefully it will empower others to come forward

  • Kevin Andrews

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/071951b10ad8f22e233ead713bda01420d696ce5ba8642fad72eac8ca1998bdd.png Amazing grace, the corrupt are dropping like flies. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving Christ-O-Fascist, hair-lipped freak.

  • this is completely off-topic, selfish and only related to the fact that Erin loves me, despite the fact she is married to a man.

    my life giver still owns the 1st ed version on vinyl. like i did with all of RS’s stuff before she literally threw that into the trash heap. becuase she hates me. for being out, where she was heteronormative and conformist and religious, like i am none of those things.

    anyway, ffs, have you listened to the Flesh Fantasy recently? i wasn’t even born when this was written and i was barely a child when they made it a movie. but, um, wow. that is so stirring, and i thought the other version was Teh Shit. i have to listen to it again, just to ‘get’ how different and spectacular it is. sigh. i wish i could stop smoking for real. i actually have a Fabulous voice and i don’t care about money at all. i want to be like one of those prosaic Italian peasants who storied the land with their singing, just cause they liked to.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56-TcPQMow

  • William

    Was he wanting to implant them in the women with his dick?

  • The_Wretched

    Surrogacy is a rather big deal and life changing. I can’t imagine asking an underling to do I. Very weird.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Makes me wonder if he was hiring them for their….um….particular attributes he preferred.

      • It makes me wonder if there was any kind of retaliation, major or minor, after these two women turned him down. Such can take many forms:

        – Unequal treatment in general
        – Unfavorable work assignments
        – Failure to give deserved raises or to promote
        – Negative job performance reviews
        – Failure to give positive job references
        – Was a hostile work environment created?
        – Were others in the workplace made aware the request was made?
        – Were these women given any reason to believe their refusals changed their boss’s opinion of them?

        • Todd20036

          Exactly. If you really wanted to do something like this, you go to a center that deals with such things. You don’t ask a coworker.

          • Ask a family member? No problem.
            Ask a surrogacy center to set you up? No problem.
            Ask a random stranger on the street? Creepy as fuck, but not illegal.

            Ask an employee? Problem. Flat out illegal in many states.

      • The_Wretched

        24 hours later… turns out he wanted to get them pregnant the old fashioned way. Sounds very beyond a weird request for a uterus rental.

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith

      Maybe he just wanted to make sure his child would have good keyboard skills?

  • gaycuckhubby

    I’m witholding judgement until I hear from Beth

    • Christopher

      LOL

  • JackNasty

    It would be nice to have some evidence about what the man actually said. He says it was just a discussion about surrogacy, which while might have been inappropriate or unpleasant but doesn’t rise to same level as intimidation, or abuse. I haven’t found reports anywhere but the speculation here, that he propositioned his staff.

    This “metoo” thing has evolved into a witch hunt where accusations can destroy someone without due process and without evidence. I am disgusted that my Senator, Patty Murray has followed Senator Gillibrand and the others down this dangerous path to injustice.

    I’ve seen too many anti-gay witch hunts to think this approach is a good idea. I won’t be supporting Sen. Gillibrand, or any other witch hunter, if she runs for the presidency.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Well, dontcha think it’s rather telling that the thought of an ethics investigation is making him bail?

      • JackNasty

        You are free to assume whatever you want from that. That’s part of participating in a witch hunt.

        I prefer to find a reliable source documenting the accusations he propositioned his assistants. Do you have a link?

        • Cuberly Deux

          Heading off an investigation seems like a tactic used to prevent more information from coming out, or is that too presumptuous?

      • BobSF_94117

        You’re probably right, but in today’s environment, I can see someone bailing just to avoid it all (not that bailing will accomplish that).

        • Cuberly Deux

          He’s such a far far far right autocratic nutcase I can’t imagine him having he presence of mind to think of what’s best. I say he panicked.

          I mean Ryan told him to go….thinking it’s bigger than what we’re hearing.

          • BobSF_94117

            Again, you’re probably right, but there could be kids involved (he has some from somewhere by some means, I think). I could see that as a legitimate reason to try to get past this all really fast.

    • It is never appropriate to ask someone who works for you to do something unrelated to their job description, especially if any kind of pressure or coercion can even be *presumed* to exist.

      The fact Franks was asking his employees if he could rent their wombs makes it all the worse.

      In many locales, the question itself actually breaks any number of workplace laws.

  • safari
  • LeeCMH

    Okay. Do we have an addition to the list? Any suggestions for Trent Franks?

    Famous GOP luminaries.

    Larry “wide-stance” Craig
    George “carry-my-bags” Rekers
    Ted “slurp-sniff-sniff-Haggard or Ted “Booty-Bump” Haggard
    Tom “turn-a-page” Foley
    Dennis “Wanna Wrestle?” Hastert
    Ralph “Boy-Pussy” Shortey
    Vitter the Shitter or Diaper Dave
    Roy “touch-my-underwear” Moore
    Donald “grab-em by the pussy” Trump

    • clay

      Trent “mother my embryos” Franks
      Trent “frozen pop” Franks

      • safari

        Trent “prego my wifes eggo” Franks

  • BobSF_94117

    His statement doesn’t say he asked them to be surrogates. He may indeed have done so. On the other hand, he travels in conservative Christian circles and some women may have found even a discussion of his plans “offensive to their religion”.

  • Slippy_World

    Humm -this sounds vaguely familiar ….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5BZTeE4B4

    • I love dim sum

      I find it amusing that that actress is a huge proponent of Scientology. Really contradicts the message of The Handmaid’s Tale (although the plot is incredibly hard to take seriously).

  • gaycuckhubby

    (National Republican Senate Comittee)
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/938878302697254913

  • gaycuckhubby

    (National Republican Senate Comittee)
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/938878302697254913

    • boobert

      Yea , right.

    • gaycuckhubby

      A split between the Republican party leaders and the Senators.
      Despite their conservative worldview the Senators are a lot more serious about the country than either POTUS or the the party bosses

  • Sam_Handwich

    “…and bring me some coffee while you’re at it, woman!”

    • safari

      *smacks her ass and smirks at his nodding colleagues*

  • Cuberly Deux

    So now they’re reporting that Ryan asked him to step down after hearing about his “misconduct”.

    • safari

      I want to see Paul Ryan old and very fat.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        i want to see him “young”, ‘fit”, and completely out of control.

      • Cuberly Deux

        …or the Schock Chaffetz Ryan late night gym olive oil singlet orgy and fisting session vid.

        • Gretchen

          Not Chaffetz. He squicks me out.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • Cuberly Deux

        They reported today that they’re opening an investigation into his original case and the settlement.

        The fact he blacklisted his accuser though, that should be part of the investigation BIG TIME. Part of the harrasment claim against him included his threats if the accuser reported him.

        You gotta know there’s more women out there that were groped by that nastyass troll.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Is that Ferenthold?

        • BobSF_94117

          I think it’s Alfred E. Neuman. He’s really let himself go, if you ask me.

          • William

            “What me worry” has consequences.

        • William

          His name is Fartnhold. Fart-n-hold.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Which means there is probably even more to drop

      • safari

        Like Ryan’s balls.

        • safari

          I’m hard on Ryan because (1) he was supposed to be some kind of conservative genius and instead he’s just another Randian idiot and (2) he was sold as sexy when in reality he was just a bro who needed to be at the gym.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Yeah his “guru” label is a bunch of bull. All he wants to do is slash public programs, he’s sure as fuck not an “ideas” sorta guy.

          • Lazycrockett

            Programs that he used to his advantage in his youth.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Yep.

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            The same program his idol Ayn Rand used in her old age.

        • Karl Dubhe 2

          He never had any. If his wife claims otherwise, he’s got cysts and she shagged the pool boy.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Sorta sounds like the accusations are more explosive than just talking about surrogates.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Ryan, who wants to cut off poor folks’ medical care, has no business talking about anyone else’s misconduct.

  • ColoMtnWoman

    Sick fuck… God, I’m going to be glad to see this whack-job go away..

  • JohnInCA

    Fact stranger then fiction and all that jazz.

  • alguien

    i’m really curious to know exactly what happened here. i mean, was he really gross and told his staffers, “hey! i wanna put a baby in you!” or something equally vile?

    i think the only way to talk with one of his staffers about something like this would be away from the office, with his wife in attendance as well. but i’m really not at all comfortable with putting one’s staffers in this position anyhow.

    • Outlaw Woman

      Exactly … I’m sure there’s more to the story.

    • It is never appropriate to ask someone who works for you to do something completely unrelated to their official job description.

      • BobSF_94117

        God, I would hate to work in a corporate office these days.

      • Gretchen

        Now that I am retired you tell me I didn’t actually have to bring a hashbrown casserole every quarter to those stupid faculty luncheons.

  • safari

    The quiverfull movement grows impatient, evidently.

  • Michael R
  • safari

    Pantone just announced its 2018 color of the year. I’m guessing they want us to sleep… now… forever…
    https://twitter.com/NPR/status/938946229651869698

    • fuzzybits

      My one sister loves purple. I’m not a fan.

    • safari

      Article’s close

      So there you have it. Mysteries of the cosmos. Luxury and power. Political uncertainty. Or devastating, uncontrollable, unprecedented
      peril. Or Prince. Maybe we can all just focus on Prince.

    • fuzzybits
    • Cuberly Deux

      Hardly Tyrian Purple but sorta fits if ya look at the current tax plan. Maybe we should call it GOP Tax Plan Purple.

      “Tyrian purple was expensive: the 4th-century-BC historian Theopompus reported, “Purple for dyes fetched its weight in silver at Colophon” in Asia Minor.[6] The expense meant that purple-dyed textiles became status symbols, and early sumptuary laws restricted their uses. The production of Tyrian purple was tightly controlled in Byzantium and was subsidized by the imperial court, which restricted its use for the colouring of imperial silks.[7]

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/17fcf2bd0fa5c218f3be1ae0177c12db6b3d2018b5887bc042584f470915075a.png

      • Snarkaholic

        I’ll get you the same look, but for far less money: Stand still, and I’ll throw grape juice all over your toga!

        • Cuberly Deux

          Toga Toga Toga!!!!

        • clay

          Throwing is an ineffective and inefficient method.
          You have to rub it in.

          • Snarkaholic

            Well, if you INSIST…

  • fuzzybits

    The echos will be loud pretty soon.

  • LeeCMH

    Okay, the list is updated.

    Famous GOP Luminaries

    Larry “wide-stance” Craig
    George “carry-my-bags” Rekers
    Ted “slurp-sniff-sniff-Haggard or Ted “Booty-Bump” Haggard
    Tom “turn-a-page” Foley
    Dennis “Wanna Wrestle?” Hastert
    Ralph “Boy-Pussy” Shortey
    Vitter the Shitter or Diaper Dave
    Roy “touch-my-underwear” Moore
    Trent “mother-my-embroyos” Franks
    Donald “grab-em by the pussy” Trump

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      You forgot Blake “2 bagger” Farenthold, the unfuckable – even for money

      • LeeCMH

        How about Blake “duck-pajamas 2-bagger” Farenhold?

        • -M-

          Love child of Violet Beauregard and Alfred E. Neuman.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Ninja0980

      Worthless POS homocon.

    • Cuberly Deux

      He truly is a misogynist prick. He’s gone after women via twitter on multiple occasions. He has about the same amount of self control as Christopher Baron. None. Ideological dipshit.

  • Paula

    Wait a minute! I have frequently told several of you that I want to have your baby. Does that mean I have been sexually harassing you? Dios Mio!
    Am I going to have to resign from something?

    • Tomcat

      Not if they enjoyed it.

    • Bomer

      Now you can’t be on the bake sale =(

      • Paula

        Can I at least come and buy those special brownies that you guys will be selling?

        • Bomer

          Of course! I’ll even let ya have some of the alcohol laden cheesecake

    • NZArtist

      You’re not in a position of power over us. We’re not subordinate to you.
      Sir.
      If that’s okay with you.

    • DaddyRay

      3 Month with no access to the BIG GAY WEATHER MACHINE ™

      • safari

        But you can have it back in mid-January after we’ve had a good freeze to kill off the insects.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          I’m not positive the impeachment will have happened by then, just sayin’.

        • Paula

          We are going to have our first freeze of the season tonight, in El Paso.

          • William

            We have almost three inches of snow, east of Austin.

          • Paula

            We got an inch of snow today. It was nice.

          • William

            It started here right after sunset. The cats are certain it’s the end of the world. The dogs have all decided that they can hold it all night.

          • Paula

            Our dogs aren’t too happy about it, either.

          • Jon Doh
          • People4Humanity

            Colorado called. They want their snow back❗️

          • FuzzyOtter

            Yes. I was looking forward to some snow this week, but we got hardly anything.

    • Jonathan Smith

      Hell no Paula. Id be happy to raise our baby:)

    • You’re not our boss. I don’t know why so many keep overlooking that crucial dynamic.

      • Paula

        I was being facetious.

    • Etranger

      If we don’t tell you it makes us uncomfortable you should definitely not have to resign. That is what is f*cked up with all these resignations.

      • Paula

        That’s a relief. Mostly because I really don’t belong to anything serious enough to resign from. I have a Sam’s Club card. Texas Retired Teachers Association. A library card.

        • Etranger

          LOL – best response!

    • Gustav2

      It is harassment because you have never asked me.

  • Cackalaquiano

    [sounds of personnel manuals being furiously updated across America…]

    • Tomcat

      And it is ABOUT time.

  • Etranger

    OMG…this is seriously getting absurd. The complaints against Franken were silly, now these are even sillier. I think folks need a review of what sexual harassment and aggression are.

    • Tomcat

      Sexual harassment and sexual assault are ANY UNWANTED and UNWARRANTED advances made to someone without their permission.
      Both of these fit that bill so stop trying to attempt to make this a wrong thing to do.

      • Etranger

        Talking about surrogacy is sexual harassment? Weird. The stuff with Franken? Not sexual assault. I think many of you folks won’t be happy until we are wearing burkas.

    • Lazycrockett

      Why the hell is he just off handedly asking women who you work with to “carry his baby”??? Im sure he wanted to do it the old fashion way also.

      • Etranger

        Because he is probably a weird jerk.

      • Snarkaholic

        Because by eliminating any professional medical service/agents from being involved, he’s free to manipulate the women however he sees fit…with few to no consequences.

    • NZArtist

      Hint: They’re subordinates. He’s in a position of power over them.
      Do you suppose he has built up an interpersonal relationship with these people to the point where it’s appropriate and comfortable talking about making babies with them?

      • Etranger

        We don’t know actually.

        • NZArtist

          Hint: They’ve complained about it.

          • Etranger

            Yeah, I saw that.

    • Let me guess: You’ve never had to undergo mandatory workplace behavior training from an official HR department.

      • Etranger

        LOL. Many times. I have actually led it. We are just getting absurd these days that is all.

        • So…you just skip over the parts where it’s not remotely appropriate or even legal for a boss to ask a subordinate to do something that isn’t in their job description, especially when it involves sexuality?

          Do you even understand what it means to create the conditions of an inherently hostile workplace?

          • Etranger

            Absolutely I understand it. Doesn’t sound like they complained about it and made him know it was a hostile workplace. Of course what he did could be harassment. The proper channels were not taken to determine that. Resigning over hypotheticals is problematic.

      • Etranger

        Let me guess: You didn’t learn the procedures for reporting sexual harassment during your workplace behavior training…

        • Like hell I didn’t. I ran an HR department. Welcome to my block list.

          • Etranger

            Oh well – there are tons of incompetent folks in positions of power these days!!

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Will he be guest starring on the next season of “Handmaid’s Tale” …as the understanding General?

  • Tomcat

    I am guessing Paul Ryan has some skeletons in his closet too.

    • safari

      His unworked legs at the very least.

    • Sam_Handwich

      not to mention a goat and a few gerbils

      • jerry

        And the corpse of Ayn Rand.

    • BearEyes

      at least

    • clay

      What? His desire to put granny on an ice flow isn’t sufficient?

  • No More GOP.

    One hopes he does NOT reproduce.

  • LeeCMH

    I wonder if Trent played this in his office?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-c2fu0gDjQ&ab_channel=adamtrng

    • Sam_Handwich

      i think that could be the worst song ever written

      • LeeCMH

        That’s why it is appropriate.

  • UrsusArctos 🐻

    The bit about not needing a turkey baster, he could DIY, is probably what cooked his goose.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    You generated twin sprog from SCIENTIFIC advancements.

    most Americans can barely handle two children,however they arrive.

    Dominionist much?

    • Snarkaholic
      • Refugay

        I like the use of Dave and David and would have taken it further to add Davide in the third instance. Why not anti up to a trinity?

      • Tomcat

        Long live Dave.

    • LeeCMH

      He’s looking to get his quiver full.

  • safari

    Oh, Rachael.

  • j.martindale

    Boy, this is better than sticking your tongue in her mouth in a scripted kiss.

  • safari

    O/T: I love ruin porn. Here’s a picture-heavy article about Pitcher, OK — a town destroyed by a tornado and its residents bought out by the government due to the remains of its mines.
    https://twitter.com/politico/status/938956365829214210

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      All Trumpeteers should move there and insist it’s safe & healthy to live there without it being changed one bit.

      • BobSF_94117

        I’d rather send the corporate overlords, though there’s probably pretty good overlap with Trumpists.

      • clay

        Times Beach, Missouri– it’s (called) a beach, how could they go wrong?

    • William

      Isn’t that the town that is covered in lead?

  • This is getting out ahead of the story.. cost of IVF and surrogacy is around $35k, cheaper overseas, This sounds more like he proposition these women…

    • clay

      He might have had the IVF already done and frozen from 10 years ago.

  • greenmanTN

    OT, cute kitty pic/relaxation moment. I *finally* got a decent photo of Elvis, aka Porky Lou aka Tubbs, who is difficult to catch when he isn’t facedown in a bowl of kibble. He’s the only cat with long hair so it’s hard to tell what is hair and what is body, but the feels substantially heavier than the others when you pick him up. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/683339d10199a9709b5e4841caac0a65d75bcb9c614b594f119362031c4c175e.jpg

    • safari

      *nuzzle*

    • TuuxKabin

      Shocking gorgeous.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Awwwwwwwww…..chin needs skritches!

    • M Jackson

      He looks like a load of trouble, and tons of fun.

    • safari

      What’s he like?

    • Zeldacat

      He’s gorgeous! Don’t worry about the vacuuming, my apartment has the worst carpet for any pets, it’s light colored and grabs alllll the hair and even an industrial-strength vacuum doesn’t pick it all up properly.

    • Harveyrabbit

      Lovely cat. I’ve always been partial to pink nosed kitties.

    • skyweaver

      So pretty! I love his very dapper ‘stache!

    • Rambie

      Beautiful eyes, long haired cat always look bigger than they usually are under all that. I remember taking my parents long hair in for a trim every summer, I couldn’t believe how small Tasha was compared to what the fur mad her seem.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        Heh. I used to work in a veterinary office. Bathing long haired cats was always funny, they shrink down and their head looks like a ball with eyes. Exactly the same as bathing an owl. Not so big under all those feathers. Owls like baths about as much as most cats do.

        • Rambie

          Did they issue you body armor for cat washing duties?

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            Gardening gauntlets with leather cuffs. 😉

    • JCF

      Aw, he reminds me of the first cat I ever cat-sat for (when I was a teen). My neighbor’s cat (w/ the incredibly original name Friskie! ;-/).

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Sorry – they’re going to have offer more than Trent Franks in exchange for Al Franken.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    So basically he was saying, “Jeebus told me to KNOCK YOU UP!”

  • DaddyRay

    Ugh – If Franken’s seat flips to Republican next year we are screwed

    • Refugay

      It was quite a battle for Franken to get that seat.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Yet Amy Klobucher won in huge landslides.
        They just need to get the right candidate

    • safari

      but it’s Minnesota…

    • MikeBx2

      In ’08 it was very close but in ’14 he won by a landslide.

      • DaddyRay

        And with the 2020 Census coming up the redistricting will make sure that never happens again

        • MikeBx2

          Sleazy Republicans.

        • safari

          It’s a Senate race, so presumably districting won’t matter unless the state does something weird with their senators.

          • clay

            Gerrymandering also reduces overall turn-out because people feel their vote doesn’t matter.

            And since this isn’t in the news hardly at all, I’ll harp on it, again, here. Kobach, et al. want to use the 2016 (maybe 2018) voters to do redistricting in 2020. That would require that they totally fuck up the Census, which they’re on schedule to do. This would intentionally under-represent children, immigrants, and even young adults.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • safari

      Rumor has it Donald wants him to run

      • OdieDenCO

        but of course. donny thinks he’s bought joey for life with a pardon. there is no honor among thieves!

      • bkmn

        Heard that too

      • UrsusArctos 🐻

        45* wants Paul LePage (the Maine Governor) to run for the senate also. I swear he’s setting things up for the Ides of Some Month for when he makes his heroic entrance into the senate chamber. Unfortunately he didn’t read that whole scene.

    • DaddyRay

      Sure, why not – US Politics couldn’t get any more F’ed up

      • safari

        Don’t dare 2018

        • zhera

          2016: I am the worst election year evah!

          2018: Hold my beer!

          • safari

            2020: Wait, what?

      • greenmanTN

        Knock wood, throw salt over your shoulder, do SOMETHING to counteract that statement! These days it’s bad juju to say it couldn’t get worse.

        • Christopher

          IKR!

          Stop setting a bar!

    • greenmanTN

      They wouldn’t even have to change the sign on the door. “This one says ‘Flake,’ so it must be Arpaio.”

    • Snarkaholic

      He’s 85…for fuck’s sake!

      • bkmn

        And his brand of politics will not appeal statewide. Between his age and his reputation he won’t win.

      • Christopher

        Just means he’s closer to death.

        Apologies to JMG’s, ahem, more mature readers. You’re fine. It’s the age plus hate that does one in.

    • William

      That nasty old fuck almost makes Trump look sane.

    • I’m not surprised. The Republican party now openly embraces corruption, law-breaking and oath-forswearing.

      • Christopher

        Don’t forget sexual harassment, and Paedophilia.

        They really are the lowest of the low.

    • bkmn

      Just saw this afternoon that a judge ruled that immigrants can sue the county for damages due to Arpaio. Maricopa county residents are going to be paying a long time for repeatedly electing him.

    • Lazycrockett

      This fucker is 85 years old. JFC.

  • -M-
    • safari

      I should give up meat.

      • greenmanTN

        Soylent Green is Republicans!

        • safari

          I’ve drank Soylent — the meal replacement, but only the 2.0 (it’s versioned, like software) one in regular and “coffee”. The regular flavor tastes like the milk left over from a bowl of cornflakes with the aftertaste of stale popcorn. The latter tastes, well, like a cheap frappichino knockoff.

          Overall, I missed feeling like I ate something and chewing.

          • greenmanTN

            I was curious what it tasted like. Not enough to actually order some, but curious. Frappichino doesn’t sound too bad.

          • safari

            It also comes in “nectar” which is fruit? flavored and chocolate now.

          • -M-

            Ars Technica had a review that’s worth looking up.

          • coram nobis

            You could play Beethoven’s 6th Symphony in the background.

          • William

            It is a great idea, but men shouldn’t intake large amouof soy.

        • edrex

          if only..

      • edrex

        i’m starting with giving up wildfires.

    • BobSF_94117

      Poor bunny probably got burned. 🙁

      Good on him for saving it (I hope).

      • Christopher

        I’m sure he fared better than Little Bunny Foo Foo.

        “Hare today, Goon tomorrow.”

    • DaddyRay
  • The more I think about it, I would ignore Franks BS story that he asked two women on his staff about surrogacy.

    As much as it is creepy and breaking the law on harassment. The most likely scenario is that Franks is one of the Representatives used Congressional Accounts to pay out settlements to former staff members.. Hence why the Ethics Committee is investigating him, ditto with Farenthold. Asking his staff whether they would be surrogates, may get a HR complaint, but most likely a stern warning not to do this again.. Two or more legal settlements using his Office Account to pay off the staffers would make any Congress person run for the hills.

  • safari

    True story: I ate Mary Jane’s fruitcake, and I want to send her a thank you card.

  • DaddyRay

    Dude!

    Chad and JT Fight for House Parties
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUKsthR-Ts

  • Christopher

    Anyone else think that he looks like he’s been chasing way too many parked cars?

    • edrex

      he has no muscle tone in his face. how weird.

      • Christopher

        Tends to happen when the face hits multiple bumpers in a day.

        He should be thankful that anyone still has the stomach to look at him.

      • clay

        He was born with a severe cleft palate and other congenital abnormalities.

        • edrex

          huh. my empathy meter is running low.

  • William

    Is Franks the long lost love child of Jerri Blank and an unknown varmint?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e549d72678586829917a6f7a5e490cbcfd200af5ccdb6c35ad508a63650ce96.jpg

    • safari

      Obligatory — she’s real
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2xHXlsNKIk

      • William

        I’ve seen that. She’s a trip alright.

      • safari

        (As I rewatch)
        She is everything.

        • safari

          Oh. Here it comes… as I watch

          “But what if marijuana is like cigarettes?”

          *as she smokes* “You know what, I knew six people who smoked pot and never graduated to heroin because they committed crimes of passion… and were electrocuted in Sing Sing.”

      • safari

        “Flory Fisher” is her name.

      • greenmanTN

        Have you ever seen the documentary about this woman? She’s like the Cruella deVille of her nursing home. (Look up Royce and Marilyn) She is a TRIP! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43005ef23eb83fda4207f300b0179a2e3bc43f029970634582ad5cda42727bb5.jpg

  • safari
  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Holiday Tips: Tired of regifting stale old fruit cakes to your conservative relatives? Give them something sure to please! A ribbon-wrapped turkey baster makes a wonderful stocking stuffer for that #MAGA republican relative on your shopping list. Happy holidays!

  • Refugay

    I read today that 50 million Americans are estimated to have or be in the early stages of Alzheimer’s. That’s 1.5 out of every ten. The median retirement savings of families between 56 and 61: $17,000. The Republicans want to take away health care, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, basically all social safety nets. The street are already full of homeless people-homeless families. Anyone else see a problem here?

    • greenmanTN

      My mother and aunt both died of Alzheimer’s and my uncle is in the process of doing so. That scares me shitless.

    • Hue-Man

      First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.

      Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?

      First Collector: Plenty of prisons.

      Ebenezer: And the union workhouses – are they still in operation?
      (imdb)

  • June Gordon

    I’d have his babies!!!!!

  • netxtown

    well this is gonna be a nice chunk of fat to chew on. Mr. Church rethug exits stage left to avoid the witch trials. But then, you gotta wonder the timing, and the allegations, and how his exit gonna somehow turn the light away from donnie and roy. See! rethugs will do the ‘right’ thing…. such theater!

  • Galvestonian

    I think a scandal could be incorporated in just how he phrased the question to one of his staffers regarding carrying his child.’I wanna be a baby daddy’ wouldn’t work … or ‘how about I get you preggers’ wouldn’t work either. I’m sure there are dozens of possible delicate ways of asking a young lady about ‘putting a bun in the oven’ that couldn’t possibly offend. It’s the Republican way of voicing a rather sensitive topic that possibly may nettle the young lady here that matters. ‘Let me bang you until the cows come home’ could possibly be misconstrued. It’s just so innocent. Maybe just asking her if she wants a raise might work or if she could use a large amount of cash. Then you can tell her that you ‘wanna knock her up’ when she asks ‘what do I have to do ?’ See, so innocent, so well intentioned … so Republican.

    • It’s never appropriate to ask this of an employee whose continued employment depends on your decision to keep them.

      • Galvestonian

        I think that was his problem ‘keeping them’ until after the babies were born.

  • gaycuckhubby
  • gaycuckhubby
    • safari

      “We’ve listened and learned” is a good party response provided the emphasis isn’t lost on “learned”.

  • Commonly, sexual harassment is perpetrated by an individual in a position of power or authority, whether by social, political, or educational differences, difference in age, or an employment relationship. (…)

    Common relationships in sexual harassment include:

    – Perpetrator: employer, supervisor, co-worker, client, teacher or professor
    – Victim: male or female, person in an inferior role, may be someone other than the person who is being harassed, such as a witness to sexually harassing behavior
    – Place: workplace, school, university, or other location
    – Gender: both perpetrators and victims may be of either gender, and the perpetrator is not necessarily someone of opposite gender

    Sexual Harassment Laws
    In the U.S., courts and employers are commonly governed by sexual harassment laws as outlined under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

    “Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment when submission to or rejection of this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual’s employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual’s work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.”

    Source: https://legaldictionary.net/sexual-harassment/

    Asking a subordinate to serve as a pregnancy surrogate is an inherently sexual request. Requests of a sexual nature do not need to include physical gratification in order to qualify as such.

    There are two main types of sexual harassment. One is quid pro quo. “Do this, and I’ll give you that.” Or it can also be “Do this, or else you will be fired or demoted.” This is the more serious and more rare form of sexual harassment. Here, the victim usually has to prove they were subject to recriminations or punishment when they refused to comply or broke off the coerced relationship.

    The other type is the hostile workplace. Yeah, this one’s fuzzier and harder to define. Most will likely imagine this being a coworker or colleague who makes unwelcome sexual advances or who makes crude remarks of a personal, sexual nature. Or let’s say it’s a workplace and they have pornographic images displayed on the walls.

    The problem with Franks is what he did risked both the quid pro quo and hostile workplace elements of sexual harassment. If either of these women felt like he was holding out a carrot if they agreed or were in any way treated differently after they turned him down, it was sexual harassment. If nothing else, based on the complaints these two women DID file, they felt pressure to agree and feared the potential consequences of refusing him.

    Consider this thought experiment: Whom did Franks ask to bear a child for him and his wife? Female employees. He did not ask his male employees to do this. Why? Well, obviously because they did not have wombs, right? He just discriminated on the basis of gender. And he made a request of an intensely sexual nature.

    People here are asking “Is there something more?” My guess is very possibly yes. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the coming days we learn that Franks did retaliate against these employees in some fashion. Retaliation can take many forms, including as I said, changes in work assignments, overt personal discrimination, withheld raises, bonuses, or promotions, etc.

    Again, in summary:
    – OKAY to ask a female family member to serve as a pregnancy surrogate!
    – OKAY to ask a good friend!
    – OKAY to ask a surrogacy service!
    – OKAY (but skeezy as fuck) to ask a random female stranger!
    – NOT OKAY to ask anybody over whom you have power, whether it’s through employment, career prospects, housing, or any other state of dependency or subordination. Why? Because some degree of coercion can be inferred.

    For those of you who can’t quite wrap your brains around what it means to be a female employee with a male boss, consider this: How would you feel if your male boss called you into his office, closed the door, and asked, “Hey, you know me and the Mrs are trying to have a baby. Would you please ask your wife/GF/sister/daughter if she’d do it for us?”

    Imposing as fuck, ain’t it? Now just try to imagine what it would feel like if he was asking YOU to carry that baby to term.

  • HZ81

    Who says the right are a bunch of weirdos? This guy is a heartland conservative!

    “Incubate my jizz, woman vessel!”

  • Henry Auvil
  • coram nobis
    • Henry Auvil

      And the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse just galloped into Laguna Beach. You guys be safe.

    • TimCA

      I’m currently visiting my mom in the SF Bay Area. Found out an hour ago my neighborhood in Bonsall has just been added to the mandatory evacuation zone. My neighbors are all leaving. Hope I have a house to come back to. 🙁

      • Tread

        Oh shit. Hoping for the best, man. 🙁

        • TimCA

          Thank you! I appreciate it. It’ll be a nervous night or two.

      • coram nobis

        Good luck. It’s what we in the North Bay felt two months ago.

      • SoCalGal20

        I hope your house is ok.

        I texted my housemate just before I let you know about the fire. I got a text from her later in the day saying the traffic was horrible (she works in Oceanside) and she was trying to get back to the house in case she needed to evacuate. Our place is on the edge of the mandatory evacuation so I don’t know if she evacuated or not.

    • coram nobis
    • William

      The Lilac Fire? Gays are getting blamed for that.

      • coram nobis

        No, that would be the Pansy Fire. Calfire hasn’t reported one of those.

  • Henry Auvil

    Trent Franks. I like to think of him as the love child of Trent Lott and Barney Frank.

  • kareemachan

    Time mag had it right.

  • MikeBx2
  • gaycuckhubby

    Off topic and I apologize to the non-sports fans out there but 2017 can not get any stranger…
    https://twitter.com/GrantWahl/status/938977068850864129

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Gustav2

      That’s because no one felt sorry for Sen Paul.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Treant

      He’d have to make significant cuts in thirty states to have won. And more than that in 2020 when fewer are snowed by his bullshit.

      • Bernie did well among rich white males in places like Utah and Indiana, crucial for any Democratic victory in 2020. Let’s award caucus state rules– they are SO (small d) democratic, right? (note- major sarcasm on my part). The green states are states Bernie won last time. Except for Michigan, they do not have many of them pesky black voters who never quite took to Bernie, do they? Gee, maybe minorities can smell out a Vermont bullshit artist better than most? (and please, don’t give me Nina Turner cancelling out my statement please she does not make up for Bernie losing the vast majority of the minority vote that shows up at the polls again and again for our party).
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9aa32a07c7ac9e6eff8d613b3a1115ebb188f4d06df8340f102318b53f51339.png

        • Treant

          I honestly don’t think it’s going to be a major issue. He’ll run long enough to grift cash, then quit when the income is exceeded by expenses.

          Always assuming he’s around to run in 2020, of course.

          • I think he will be around and will run. And I think anyone on the left, especially a female, who challenges him is going to be open to severe vitriol.

          • Friday

            He’s not that crass, just believed too much of how he got pumped up.

    • Ninja0980

      He is no different and the primary showed that.

      • Friday

        If he’s ‘different’ he totally failed to make it count.

    • I would not say he is just like Drumpf. I would say he’s more like my great Aunt’s Sadie’s 94 year old boyfriend Irving who constantly complains about everything and still thinks Julius and Ethel Rosenberg would have done better opening a pastrami sandwich shop in the East Bronx. Come to think of it, he thinks he just VISITED Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the East Bronx. He forgot they were fried in Sing Sing over 60 years ago.

      • safari

        My parent’s neighbor’s tin pans flew into their yard from which he hung from his crab-apple trees. They are routinely yelled at because the squirrels are shitting in his yard and their cats (they don’t put outside) are doing the same.

        I suggested they bang them loudly one morning as they approached his door. I’m informed they’d rather be relieved of him until it is once more warm enough for him to bitch directly at their door.

        • My sister’s friend who lives in a senior community in Broward County and is on the condo board has a nutcase who planted a field of tomatoes in the community greenspace as if it is his own backyard, and was threatening anyone who came near it. She confronted him and the conversation went like this —
          Nutcase — They are MY tomatoes. This is where I live and I am growing them!
          Sister’s Friend — No, this is not Your place! WE are going to eat all of these tomatoes! WE own the land not YOU! YOU are working for us for FREE like it or not!
          The guy is clearly senile. But he gave up on the tomatoes.

    • Blake J Butler

      Also aren’t two states doing away with their caucuses and going for primaries ? Minnesota was one of them and i forgot who the other one was.

      This was the guy that was going to brag that he was going to show up Hillary on her own turf, meanwhile instead of campaigning he was visiting the vatican for 2-3 days instead. He then lost badly.

      But bitched that he would have won if independents were allowed to participate instead of people that were straightline democrat or republican for the primaries. Because they had to register before the deadline in order to be eligible to participate in the primaries.

      He’s a fucking deluded asshole.

      • These Kos Bernie Bros want everything to be caucuses with no party registration. They feel that they can control the process better, and somehow, caucuses are more democratic (small d) than primaries. They had these logical arguments for it. I imagine the ideal caucus sites would only be on college campuses with campus police patrolling at night pulling a George Zimmerman on any minority who shows up not dressed as a regular college student, and I am only being half sarcastic. Those Bernie rallies looked the same as Richard Spencer rallies in terms of whiteness – again, with Nina Turner in attendance.

        • Blake J Butler

          It’s undemocratic, it favors those that have the time and money to actually participate in these caucuses compared to primaries where someone can take off at the end of the day or on their lunch our and go vote, compared to spending most of the day in a damn caucus.

          I love Obama and I love Hillary, but they were nothing of a division in 2008 compared to the one that the bros wanted to buy into right wing sources against Hillary last year. They knew who they wanted, and were crafted during the primaries to be loyal to him and only believe him. Trolling on facebook and twitter being dramatic about how they were planning to vote in november and that it wasn’t going to be for Hillary.

        • Friday

          There was a state where caucuses still have to be held but the binding vote is at the polls or vice versa. It’s very telling that Bernie predictably won the caucus where a few people can crowd in but had very little support at the polls.

          • AlternativeQuacks

            It was Washington, and the caucuses were the ones that counted for delegates. Bernie won the caucuses, Hillary trounced him in the primaries.

    • The New York law has been on the books for a very long time. It was originally put on the books to stop political corruption — New York State had a very competitive political party system (not only Democratic and Republican, but Socialist early in the 20th century, and Liberal and Conservative Parties — they were actually called this and elected candidates) and a long lead time was put in to stop political bosses from moving blocks of voters around. The State Government, not the Democratic Party in New York is responsible for this law, and it has been in effect since the late 1800’s as I remember. (someone can check). They did not want people from opposing parties influencing the nominee of the party they are not a member of. Why penalize New York Democrats if this is not their decision?

    • JCF
    • safari

      Jar Jar is the leader of the dark side, I’ve read.

      • Mikey

        fake news, promoted by the rebel alliance!!

        what Death Star? no, nothing to see here. Look a Gundam!

    • houstonray

      Meesa thinksa thatsa some funnys shitsa right there…. 😉

    • He’s less popular than jock itch and vaginal lice. That is probably why Melania hates him so much.

  • gaycuckhubby

    I hope Jones is bombarding AL with this shit
    https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/938966816549998594

    • Treant

      I’m beginning to think Moore doesn’t want to win; he’s just figured out he’s going to be subject to nationwide scrutiny as a Senator.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Amazing how much Trump & his people love Russia more than they do fellow Americans. I wonder if Roy got some $$$ from Russia as well.

    • Friday

      When the Russian dictator is ripping off Reagan for slogans, it’s possible we’re dealing with class issues *again* here.

  • Treant

    OT: Remember that corn plant that was starting to bloom? The blossoms opened tonight on an 18″ stem of flowers.

    The stench is unreal. 🙂 Seriously, it’s like night-blooming jasmine with a dash of sage and a big dollop white narcissus in there.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      That’s why the middle name in DFM is fragrans.

  • greenmanTN
  • Dot Beech

    That’s the ultimate in “Not In My Job Description.”

    And this man is VILE. It’s a blessing to us all to see him gone.

  • Treant

    A thought. The only thing Dumpster hasn’t reversed is the “ban” on incandescent light bulbs from the Obama administration. You’d think the conservatives would jump at the chance to overpay for glass bulbs that use seven times the energy of an LED to produce light of lousy quality and that burn out fast.

    (I just picked up two $1 Sunbeam LED lights at the dollar store while I was there; they’re fantastically bright 60 watt equivalents in a perfect white light).

    • safari

      I was gifted an early Christmas present — an Echo device. I bought *** bulbs. LED and wifi enabled.

      Some days I feel I should just walk around nude.

      • Tread

        You don’t every day?

    • Friday

      As much as I hate reliable tech like broadcast TV and radio and ….cars being turned computer-dependent so they can’t be fixed, it couldn’t be easier to stockpile incandescent bulbs for a lifetime if you were really worried. Righties are just taught to think that failure to waste money and power is somehow Commie and against their Jesus or something.

      • Treant

        I know somebody who did stockpile them. His kids basically told him they’d end up throwing all those bulbs out–why expend 60 watts and use bulbs that have to be changed every 2,000 hours (at best)? We have 9 watt bulbs that last 25,000 hours.

        • netxtown

          I tried some of the led bulbs in my workshop. They just didn’t cut the mustard. Too blue. Too yellow. Not bright enough. I did find some halogen bulbs in a standard medium base config that produce the cleanest white light I have seen. (Bear in mind there are 8 x 100 (73) watters + 8 x 75 (63) watters). Then I converted the lights on the two ceiling fans to medium bases and put 4 x 60 (43) watts in each one. The fans have the ‘overload’ protectors so I can get the brightness of 60 watts incandescence at 43 halogen.

          As for that fluorescent crap…..the above mentioned halogens were replacements for 6 workshop (4ft) fixtures. Every single one of the 6 failed within 2 years – and they are all now comfortably resting at the landfill. What the hell I will ever do with the bulbs….I don’t know.

          That said – I have started replacing the exterior lights with LED. I designed a converter to take the 13vac – convert it to dc…then drop/regulate at 5v.

          My next challenge is using a router to cut out a recessed lip in decking so that the led strip lights will lay flush, and then coming up with a diffuser (maybe some fun colors?) to cover them. I really like they are waterproof – and last a long, long, long time!

          • Treant

            You do have to mind the color temperature, CRI and color distribution, and lumens. I tend to prefer a brighter, slightly whiter light than most people do.

        • Friday

          Yeah, I mean, I do keep some around cause I need the full spectrum for various photographic work, sometimes a little heat (One of the reasons incandescents are so much less efficient is cause a lot of the juice *goes* to making heat instead of visible light, but that has its uses sometimes) ….when I’m working in chilly shop or whatnot, but the whole worship of waste and environmental destruction has always been pretty baffling to me.

    • Gustav2

      don’t worry, they stuck in a provision where firestorm and earthquake damage is not tax deductible but hurricane damage is.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    With the GOP adrift with no moral compass, it was an inexorable, slippery slope from WaterGate to RussiaGate to SurroGate.
    Sad!!

    • Treant

      Fortunately, SurroGate led to LeaveByTheGate.

    • safari

      Clinton is quaint.

  • marshlc

    What a bunch of disingenuous bullshit. The problem isn’t what he did, no, no, the problem is the way the media would treat it.

    Just loving the way that powerful men are making sure they are seen as the victims of these stories.

  • greenmanTN

    OT (again) but earlier today someone posted a pic they took in the bathroom of the Palm Springs airport (sorry, forgot who it was). Someone had put a picture of Trump in the urinal so that anyone using it was pissing on Trump.

    I respectfully suggest this should become a *thing*. The idea of placing pics of Trump in urinals here in East TN, trumpanzee central, has me giggling with delight!

    I already have the photo I’d use picked out.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/5175354.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery

  • Mikey Ruck

    there is a LOT more to this story than is being said right now.

    perhaps that surrogacy involved Franks doing the impregnating himself. no one resigns for asking an allegedly simple question.

    • Stuart ArtFart

      I was wondering about that.

      Personally, I think the whole notion of “surrogacy” is morally repugnant. For those couples who feel the need/entitlement to rent out the uterus of a woman where they can bake their spunk-ovum blob for 9 months, it’s my understanding that fertility clinics and associated organizations can hook them up with the saints/hoes that make their money by spreading their legs for a turkey baster of baby batter.

      For a Congressman to ask one (or more?!?!) of his female aides to lend him her uterus for 9 months is TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE and should NEVER be done. That said, this craziness does not strike me as your garden-variety “sexual harrassment” unless he was requesting that they assume the missionary position and get knocked up by the turkey baster in his pants.

      Damn, this is all so twisted and weird that I’m getting turned on thinking about dropping trou for ex-Rep. Franks. I’m thinking he’ll have a lot of free time on his hands real soon….and Arizona is so lovely in the winter….HMMMMMmmmmm

  • Sam_Handwich
  • Has anyone checkout out Trump’s twitter feed today? Very strange — it is being ghostwritten for him. It appears to be coherent. Read this. His lawyer and Kelly and not letting him tweet anymore without approval it seems. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8418c2a1be2fc147057f9aafcb12955fef408af9afaf4dfa4e86d739d8e9b5c3.jpg

    • Tread

      That’s a copy and paste. No wonder it’s coherent.

      • Natty Enquirer

        That would be plagiarism, wouldn’t it?

        • Tread

          He stole his inauguration speech from Bane and The Bee Movie. You’re surprised?

    • clay

      All along there have been three different devices feeding Turmp’s chirps. Only those from the Android are his own. The iPhone is likely Kellyanne and the laptop is likely his “white power” former golf caddy.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/davidpopp/status/938911476034801665
    Meanwhile…three right wing hacks are about to get lifetime appointments to our courts, including one that works for the Focus On the Family hate group for Nebraska.
    But both parties are the same right.

    • safari

      He knows it’s all over.

      They all do.

      • Friday

        It’s not over till they stop doing damage.

        • Tread

          It’s not over until we undo the damage.

          • Friday

            That’s semantics. This ‘it’ will need fixing just like ‘it’ was needing same before ‘it’ got this ludicrous. This may involve saving what of civilization we can. I suggest keeping knowledge and tools in hardcopy.

      • houstonray

        I want Trump disgraced and out of office but I fear Pence will do much of the same when it comes to religious extremism.

        WE HAVE TO TAKE THINGS BACK IN 2018!

        Our very future depends on it.

        • safari

          Don’t deny Mother of her throne.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Sam_Handwich

      #DeepState #LizardPeople

  • Elsewhere1010

    What ugly babies they would have been. Why do Republicans think they’re attractive?

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/938981643817189376
    Fuck no.
    Bitter Bernie bots don’t get to decide they can punish states for not voting for him.
    Throw this suggestion in the trash along with the people who made it.

    • safari

      I didn’t read the article.

      But have they been checked for Angry White Asshole Syndrome (AWAS)?

      • Ninja0980

        Yes, and many of them have it.
        Others have washed up loser syndrome as well.

        • safari

          One day we might find a cure.

          • Blake J Butler

            Frontal lobotomies ?

          • safari

            We can use transcranial electromagnetic stimulation to correct their disorder for days. It has been documented in the scientific literature.

          • Gretchen

            It’s funny you mention this. I have recently started doing a bit of research on TMS as a treatment option for my son who has schizophrenia and to help with my own depression and CPTSD. Do you have any thoughts on its efficacy?

          • billbear1961

            fat chance

          • safari

            I have to block my idea.

    • Blake J Butler

      Oh look the vile bitch donna, where’s uncle ruckus, not taking another photo op in a trump property ?

      And also a reason why i hate part of the left as much as i hate the right with their bullshit like this. This needs to be voted down. And donna needed to have unemployed from the DNC.

    • Treant

      He really is a useless whore who never was and never will be a Democrat.

      (Please, argue with me Russian Bots and the couple of remaining Bros, I’d love to block you).

      • Gretchen

        I think I have just about managed to block all of them. My blood pressure seems a bit improved at least.

    • Keroleen

      I’m wondering how this would affect Oregon if it goes into effect, given that he won the primary here despite this being a closed-primary state. As an Independent who has no intention of changing affiliation, I wouldn’t mind seeing open primaries, but this definitely isn’t the way to go about it.

  • Friday

    Breeders are obsessed, too much so to just be assumed competent to hold public office. Any straight judge that says otherwise must be a ‘heterosexualist activist.’

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Too many GOP men keep think their DNA needs to continue to exist. They are mistaken.

      • billbear1961

        understatement

    • I like to have sex with breeder guys. They make hot bottoms.

      • Tread

        Ain’t that the truth.

      • Friday

        Ain’t that a problem?

  • OT– Look! Netflix has gone ecumenical in their December 15 movie A Christmas Inheritance! I just noticed this ice sculpture display set in Snow Falls, USA. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7af5e60646ee74d27519a35f10eecfd7838bef37c1e1e50f55a6d9d3cbec60b5.jpg

  • safari

    O/T: I’m thinking of driving from Michigan to Clear Water Clearwater and back twice over a month and a half come the new year to spend a few weeks with broken to-home-again tme. What should I see?

    • Where is Clear Water?

      • safari

        Near Cleatwater, evidently.

        • If its Clearwater Florida I can recommend — wasn’t sure! Actually this time of year is very nice South Georgia – North Florida. North Florida actually has an autumn — in the panhandle

          • safari

            Assuming I don’t drive directly home. Any peacefully respites in those areas?

          • I once drove to Michigan from Florida. I remember the following as being nice —
            Nashville (the entire city is gorgeous)
            Brown County, Indiana near Bloomington with Indiana University is. Indiana University is a gorgeous college campus from the movie Breaking away but Brown County is famous. Very wooded trees, Norman Rockwell.
            For some reason I remember Macon, Georgia as interesting. I was with a friend who wanted to visit the recording studios of an old rock band called the Allman Brothers. I remember a nice southern small city.
            Atlanta is huge — do not drive through it during rush hour
            Lexington Kentucky is gorgeous. Bluegrass country. I remember Kentucky as being poor though. Crossing the Ohio River is very dramatic.

          • Friday

            Savannah, Athens, Gatlinburgh , and as far as I know push hard north from there on the way back as far as I know. Maybe for Columbus. Or stay nearer the coast and pick a route toward the far end of PA.

          • Gretchen

            I periodically make the trip from Knoxville to Monroe, MI straight up I-75. One of my favorite memories is a trip where we stopped at every single historical marker on the way north. We may not share the same taste in entertainment, but both Cincinnati and Knoxville have lovely zoos, and the horse park in Lexington is a nice place to visit. Knoxville actually has some interesting options downtown. There are several nice museums and a couple small theaters besides the larger venues. My favorite view has been the same for decades. I love driving north into Ohio at night just to crest the hill from Florence, Kentucky and see the bright lights of the Cincinnati skyline. It may not be a traditionally beautiful view, but I love it.

  • billbear1961

    What the hell NEXT?

    • DaddyRay

      Hollywood writers would be laughed out of town if they even suggested storylines half as bizarre as the reality that is our body politic this past year

      • billbear1961

        50 years ago people would not have believed a scenario where the majority in this country would allow the TRUTH and DECENCY to be relentlessly SHAT on by neo-fascist TRAITORS.

        They would have said, Daddy R, that it was absurd to imagine Americans would ever abandon their self-respect and debase themselves in this way, recognizing the authority of–bowing down to–a “government” of obvious GANGSTERS.

      • clay

        Uh, “My Mother the Car”? “My Favorite Martian”? “Rhinoceros”?

  • Blake J Butler
  • MikeBx2
    • billbear1961

      Yes, and if they don’t, the ones who insisted Franken resign, they can go FUCK themselves!

      • Max_1

        Ideally, they should be that voice…

    • Max_1

      100% agree…

      Democrats clean house of their sexual predators…
      … Republicans put theirs in the White House.

    • Tread

      Call me when the Democrats in the Senate grow a spine.

      • Friday

        Grow them a majority first and don’t let the Repugs say it takes sixty for such.

        • billbear1961

          If they HAD spines, knew how to FIGHT, went after–savaged–the GOP for stealing a SCOTUS seat, instead of talking, like servile COWARDS, with NO self-respect or determination to DEFEND the Constitution, of the need for “comity” with their Republican “colleagues,” they MIGHT find it easier to achieve and maintain a majority.

    • JCF
  • greenmanTN
  • Friday

    Meanwhile, did any of you boys notice that yes, in fact, these Republicans only think of even their own staffers as breeding ovens?

    • Tread

      They think of any woman as a breeding oven. It doesn’t matter if it’s a staffer or not.

  • Tread

    On that note folks, I’m out for the night. Time for some Diablo 3 monster slaying. Night all.

  • houstonray

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c804dfcf7dadbfd9587c8c57d6d1c649c34f047ab310f01ae93901209374539.jpg

    The view from our balcony in downtown Houston, right now. It’s almost a blizzard (for these parts anyway, ha). Alas, it’s just above freezing so we only get the show while it’s in the air. Still, very rare around here. Some areas around Houston have had several inches of snow.

    Time to head to bed and dream of a snow covered morning that of course won’t happen.

  • Dayglo

    It’d be hard to find any woman who’d agree to bear Quasimodo’s disfigured progeny.

  • Robin Bailey

    Franks didn’t need a surrogate. He should have just ordered up some of Mike Cernovich’s Super-Sperm.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    One of the few things that could make this worse is if this was his true motivation.

    https://youtu.be/B6P-G86u0_g?t=16s

  • billbear1961

    Seth Meyers: “The president has lied through his teeth so often that they’re trying to get out of his mouth.”

    • TuuxKabin

      He and John Oliver are the cleverest with delivery. They have good writers.

      • EdA

        Including themselves.

        • TuuxKabin

          So true & I always have gone after guys in glasses, usually lots of passes. Something bright & sexy about John O. And the impish delivery. Seth is just too damn cute for his own good. Plus, gawd do they make sense. Sigh.

  • SoCalGal20

    So bizarre being in Las Vegas and seeing my town on the news and on fire. Horrible. I texted my housemate to let her know about the fire. She finally texted back after she got out of work saying it was a mess trying to get back to the house. We’re just inside the mandatory evacuation area but I haven’t heard from her so I don’t know if she evacuated or not.

    • billbear1961

      🙁

      I hope you’ll be okay, SCG!

      • SoCalGal20

        I’ll be ok and even if our place burned most of my more valuable stuff is in storage. And I have my computer with me. I’ll manage!

        I hope fellow JMGer TimCA’s place is ok!

  • Crown Season 2 is now live on Netflix
    I’m busy until I crash.
    Night all!

    • TuuxKabin

      Dental work. No thanks. Good morning.

  • Max_1

    Trump responds to the SoCal fires…
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQgrfdGU8AAZLPG.jpg

    • Reality.Bites

      With a marshmallow?

  • billbear1961

    I mentioned not having seen That looks Delicious in many weeks.

    Also, haven’t seen Sherman, or Ken (who, until fairly recently, was here a lot. I can’t remember the rest of his user name).

    I hope you’re all okay, guys, and will rejoin us soon!

    • GanymedeRenard

      I love the fact that you care for the flock, Mr. Bear. Really! 🙂 BTW, I haven’t seen BudClark post in a while. :/ Have you?

      • billbear1961

        No, I haven’t. He pops up occasionally to post a bit, or at least to vote for others’ posts, and then disappears for long periods of time–I think because his health continues to deteriorate.

        🙁

        • GanymedeRenard

          That’s sad! Do you happen to know if we can help?

      • billbear1961

        I think at one point he was having trouble with his computer, but managed to get hold of a new one.

        • GanymedeRenard

          Good! Thank you!

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Billbear, I’m still here! I was going by “Alternative Quacks”, but I am the former That_Looks_Delicious, before that formerly Ex-Joehio, and before that formerly Joehio. I’ve been around JMG for a long, long time.

      Every now and then I get an irresistible urge to up-end everything and start all over, so I get a new avatar and handle (which is less traumatic than when I do things like that in my real, offline life). It probably comes from being a Sagittarius.

      I changed my handle back so people won’t think I’ve gone MIA, but I’m going to keep the Minister of Propaganda avatar for the time being.

      • billbear1961

        I am so very, very GLAD to know you’re still here! Even when we were on vacation in Iceland, I kept thinking about and worrying about you!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVKMd-fJPtg

        XO

        🙂

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          TLD <3 Mr. Bear

          • billbear1961

            XOXO

    • Reality.Bites

      Sadly I don’t remember seeing Sherman in months.

      For my part, my boyfriend has instructions to sign on here and explain what happened to me if I can no longer post.

      For name changes I think we need to emulate Australia and Austria. One month notice so we all know

      • billbear1961

        CJ would come on to post if anything happened to me.

        I hope Sherman is all right!

        Don’t you go anywhere, RB–this country needs strong doses of REALITY more than EVER!

        • Reality.Bites

          Not planning to, but my recent surgery made be realize things can change on a dime. And while we certainly don’t hide our online livea from each other, he’s not interested in mine and I’m not interested in his, so we don’t really know who and what is important to notify.

  • Jeffg166

    There are woman who do this for a fee. He probably wanted to do it on the cheap. A freebie by one of the staff.

    • boatboy_srq

      He probably thinks it’s already in the job description. “Handle incoming calls; produce material for publication by the office; carry officeholder’s offspring to term….”

      • Jeffg166

        It’s hard to fine compliant peasants now-a-days.

  • JT

    If I were a carpenter, and you were a lady …

    • TuuxKabin

      Aint’ that song ’bout bebe jayzus?

  • JAKvirginia

    Who does this crap? What person who in any way would consider themselves intelligent, educated and well-mannered goes trolling for surrogate mothers in the employee lounge? The man is a pig.

  • Alexander M R Volk

    He has been watching too much The Handmaid’s Tale.

  • killreligion

    I thought it would be something about making them compliment his creepy eyelids. This dim christers always have to breed, why not adopt? For him at least it would be a dead end to the foreskin over your eyes gene.

  • dcurlee

    Wouldn’t that be against the teachings they are always preaching about. Oh I forgot as long as it fits their need it’s ok

  • Boreal
  • billbear1961

    Same-sex marriage will be legal in Australia on 9 December 2017. A bill for legalisation passed the Australian Parliament on 7 December 2017 and received royal assent from the Governor-General the following day. The law will come into effect on 9 December, allowing the first weddings to occur from 9 January 2018.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Australia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMZfhKNwGc&feature=youtu.be&t=4s

    http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/66245308.jpg

    • billbear1961

      One had hoped they could begin by Christmas.

      Christmas weddings would have been a lovely gift, to the world.

      • Reality.Bites

        I think (most of) Canada and the US are outliers when it comes to letting people marry with no advance consideration.

        After all, most of us agree there should be a cooling off period before you can buy a gun and walking around in public with a loaded spouse is just as dangerous

        • billbear1961

          I don’t see why 2 weeks’ official notice isn’t enough–it’s not like most couples won’t have been planning this for much longer, RB.

          • Reality.Bites

            There’s no waiting period here in Ontario, while there’s 20 days in Quebec. I doubt there’s a meaningful difference in our “marry in haste, repent in leisure” stats. In both places you have to go in person to a government office to get your license. They could probably get rid of all waiting periods if you had to pass a roadside sobriety test. 😉

  • netxtown
    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I don’t have a preference as far as whether he is removed by 25th amendment, impeachment or McDonalds, as long as he is removed.

      • netxtown

        I’ll vote for McD’s. Death by Big Mac. Fast. Clean. And he can get it to go.

    • AJ Drew

      This part was particularly interesting:

      “Americans are exhausted. The 24/7 news cycle may be part of the reason why, but there’s potentially another explanation. Pathology is confusing to the healthy. There is a reason why staying in close quarters with a person suffering from mental illness usually induces what is called a “shared psychosis.” “

      • netxtown

        That is the part that hit me as well. I am soooo fucking tired of feeling like I have to keep an eye on a deranged toddler…

  • AmeriCanadian

    O/T: Mike Pence’s Cat, Pickle, Has Died

    This is the third pet to die in 14 months. Even animals can’t bear to be around the Pence family. Who can blame them?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-pickle-cat-died_us_5a2a04d8e4b069ec48ac2e82?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

  • gaycuckhubby

    the details are pretty ambiguous.
    Despite the one tweet posted above I haven’t seen a newspaper article or report saying that he actually asked someone to be a surrogate. If he was talking about surrogacy in the abstract then he should not have resigned, and I don’t think he would have.
    I think we’ll get a lot more details about this. Obviously if he asks a subordinate to carry a child for him that is highly inappropriate.

  • Boreal

    ‘Rep. Trent Franks, last seen huddled in apparent prayer on the House floor with GOP colleagues.’

    How is sky daddy responding, Trent?

    • Reality.Bites

      Unless his wife suddenly falls pregnant, not at all.

  • billbear1961

    That Looks Delicious is still alive and well and HERE among us!!!! (He’s been posting as Alternative Quacks, using an avatar featuring Propaganda Minister Kellyanne Conjob!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlbQrm6zIYo

    • billbear1961

      I see Cherry the Tart up-voted this post!

      It’s good to see you, Cherry–you aren’t here a lot!

      • AJ Drew

        Hmm, you’re making me think about folks we haven’t seen for a while. Barrixines, Little Kiwi, and Ernest Endeavor come to mind.

        • Reality.Bites

          Thought I saw Ernest recently.

          Little Kiwi is posting regularly on Youtube so we know he’s OK even if he’s not here.

          • andrew

            Little Kiwi’s posts on T…Road never led me to believe that he was O.K.

    • Reality.Bites

      Alternative Quacks, Picky Pecker… our members are slowly turning into birds. I know, I know. You’d prefer they turn into seals. It’s not all about your breakfast, Bill!

  • leastyebejudged

    …to the car, carry his babies to the car for him….

  • Mike
  • Chris Gardner
  • Tiger Quinn

    I’ve been trying to figure out if they mean that he told them “I want to get you pregnant,” you know, no condoms, or “hey would you be up for carrying my child?”

    • Reality.Bites

      In a way, a legitimate ask about surrogacy would be like asking an employee if they would donate a kidney. Improper breach of any number of labour laws and practices, but not a form of sexual harassment.

      A surrogate, for one thing, doesn’t have sex with ANYONE. It’s someone else’s egg that’s implanted in her. If it’s her egg, it’s not surrogate motherhood, it’s motherhood.

      Like right now, if I asked if you’d be willing to be a sperm donor for me and my boyfriend because we’re both infertile, you wouldn’t take it as a come on if you thought I was on the up and up. It would involve you going to a lab somewhere and gizzing in a cup.

      So I’m guessing it was beyond a mere ask about willingness to be a surrogate.

  • twb6yz

    Good gosh, the guy is 60. He’s been married for 37 years so I assume his wife is in the same age range.

    For the life of me I can’t imagine trying to become a parent at that age. I don’t think that they let you adopt an infant past 50 in the U.S. although you can be older if you go overseas. To be 37 years into a marriage and needing a child is utterly ridiculous and selfish. At their age there is a very good likelihood that any child born into this situation could lose both parents prior to reaching adulthood.

    To intentionally go down this road at that age is completely irresponsible. Be grateful for the children you already have.

  • anne marie in philly

    EW EW EW! who would WANT to be pregnant with that fucking ugly dude’s sperm?

  • Frank Conway

    It depends on the way you phrase it. If you said “I want to put a baby in you” that is wrong.

  • JCF

    [I’m sure this has already been posted, but c’mon!]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZNtcCM3Cvo