LIVE VIDEO: Sen. Al Franken Expected To Resign

UPDATE: Multiple outlets are reporting that Franken will resign.

Minnesota Public Radio reports:

Minnesota Democrat Al Franken, facing fresh allegations of sexual misconduct and vanishing support from fellow Democrats, appears to be on the brink of resigning from the Senate.

A Democratic official who spoke to Franken and key aides told MPR News Franken will resign Thursday. He’s expected to make a speech from the Senate floor at 10:45AM Central time. MPR News will carry live coverage on air and online.

After MPR News reported the planned resignation, a tweet from Franken’s official account said it was “not accurate.” “No final decision has been made,” the tweet also said.

I’ll bump this post back to the top of the page a few minutes before Franken is due to speak.

From the Twin Cities Pioneer Press:

If U.S. Sen. Al Franken resigns Thursday, the leading speculation is that Lt. Gov. Tina Smith would be Gov. Mark Dayton’s choice to replace Franken. It’s speculation, but it’s informed. The case for Smith was already being prepared this week by various interests that want Dayton to appoint her, should Franken resign. Whoever Dayton’s choice would be, she would very likely be a she, many believe.

But her appointment would carry with it complications — not the least of which would be that a prominent Republican would suddenly ascend into Dayton’s Democratic-Farmer-Labor administration. Under the Minnesota Constitution, a vacancy in the lieutenant governor’s seat is automatically filled by the president of the state Senate, according to a spokesman for the Secretary of State’s office who ran the scenario by a state lawyer Wednesday.

That would mean Sen. Michelle Fishbach, a Republican from Paynesville, would become lieutenant governor — and the next in line for the governor’s seat should something befall Dayton. Dayton, who is 70, has had his share of health problems, but has insisted will be “robust” in his fulfilling his duties through the end of his term a year from now.

Back in January, Dayton collapsed at the podium and struck his head while delivering his State Of The State address.


  • HZ81

    Sad day. A good day for birther, Trump-supporting Hannity guests, though.

  • netxtown

    gawd dammit! don’t do it! DON’t! DO! IT!

  • When it turns out the folks we thought of as the good guys turn out being bad, we know we are truly fucked.

    • whollyfool

      I was really hoping I’d get to vote for him for president. I don’t know what to think now. 🙁

    • narutomania

      Yes. I am very saddened by the news that Al Franken has turned out to have been guilty (on multiple occasions) of such egregious behaviour. It is truly hard to understand, let alone accept. He has been such a voice of reason for the past 15 years in Congress. We need voices like his. But not his “hands”.

    • We are fucked. Are people surprised that “respectable” people can be creeps? When I was in high school a friend confessed to me that her father was molesting her. I took her to the nearest responsible adult. Nothing ever happened as a result of that. He got away with it. He was a prominent person in our town with all kinds of civic and church positions as well as a thriving dental practice. So no, I’m not shocked that people who seem to be ethical and trustworthy turn out to be rapists. I had that naivete stripped from me at 17.

    • Ann Kah

      There has been a sad lack of discrimination between a nuisance and a crime.

  • crewman

    I hope this new movement doesn’t play out as Democrats taking the high road (eventually) and pushing out politicians across the country, in some cases getting back-filled with Republicans, while Republicans do nothing to clean their house. Republican voters en masse decide they don’t care, are tired of the issue, don’t believe the women, or even if true, they’d rather have a child molester than a Democrat, and vote Republican anyway.

    Sigh. Potential loss of power aside, this is the right thing to do. This has changed the awareness and culture around this issue. I hope this really permeates throughout the country, making men aware that they might be held accountable for their actions after all, and that what they think they can get away in private might not be so private after all.

    In terms of political power for Democrats, this issue might end up costing us in some places. But for women and the awareness of sexual harassment, this has been a smashing success.

    • Ninja0980

      That is my fear as well and the fact no one has really cared for the Republican accused of harassment to resign speaks volumes.

    • AC

      Adding “(eventually)” is a classic example of how Dems always – ALWAYS – play it in the worst possible way.

    • MichaelJ

      Most likely it will play out in this way. And not only is it so fucked up, in all sorts of ways that I am sure were mentioned in the hundreds of comments in yesterday’s thread on Franken. I communicates to people that Democrats are not going to stand and fight and all too ready to concede, which is why so many people have a hard time believing that Democrats will live up to their promises.

  • PickyPecker

    I smell a hit job by the GOP/Evangalists.

    • unsavedheathen

      This has Stone’s and Bannon’s fingerprints all over it.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        From the beginning with Stone’s tweet before the story broke. It’s a miscalculation on the part of the GOP

        • unsavedheathen

          Bigly.

    • AJ Drew
      • PickyPecker

        copy that. broadcasting via remote. over.
        https://i.imgur.com/O3IQV.gif

        • AJ Drew

          that was too quick… omg, it’s all true! /s

        • Boreal

          It’s a hoax, like trying to claim the earth is a globe and not flat. #FakeNews

    • Man_in_the_mists

      There are far too few people around here who see the hitjob on Franken for what it is.

    • pablo

      If so then it was abetted by Kristin Gillibrand.

    • vorpal

      IOIYAR

    • Tawreos

      People in a coma can smell that. =)

    • Uncle Mark

      Franken is a serious threat to Sessions, Trump and the GOP. It’s totally a hit job. Where is the investigation?https://twitter.com/tomarnold/status/938611515979997184

      • j.martindale

        If this can be proven, I hope he doesn’t resign.

    • j.martindale

      While I do not disagree with you, unfortunately, we are in a situation where rethugs are saying the same type of thing about Moore. I haven’t got a handle on the solution to the he said/she said sexual assault problem. People do abuse the system for political gain, revenge, power, money.

    • HaHaHa

      So if the person is a dem it’s a hit job, if they are a repub then they are a scumbag, got it.

    • Jeffg166

      Which will come back to bite them in the ass bigly.

  • unsavedheathen

    I get that Gillibrand’s using this to step over(on) Franken on her supposed way to national office in 2020.

    What’s Schumer’s excuse?

    • Leo

      Excuse? Reason. There’s nothing for the ethics committee to investigate for the incidents he’s admitted to. That reason is an attempt to keep his caucus united. He isn’t doing this lightly – he’s the one that convinced him to run in the first place.

  • Tawreos

    I see no problem with replacing him with the current Lieutenant Governor. According to wikipedia (so take it with a grain of salt) the duties of the MN Lieutenant Governor are as follows:

    The lieutenant governor serves as a key member of the governor’s cabinet and is involved in major policy and budget decisions. Additionally, as lieutenant governor, the lieutenant governor serves as a member of the Minnesota State Executive Council and chairs the Capitol Area Architectural Planning Board.

    Minnesota’s lieutenant governor serves as an extension of the governor and assists the governor in carrying out the functions of the executive branch. The lieutenant governor represents the governor and is prepared to act in the governor’s place in the event of his/her absence or disability.

    The governor may delegate to the lieutenant governor any powers, duties, responsibilities or functions as prescribed by law to be performed by the governor by filing a written order with the secretary of state.

  • Boreal

    Yet this pig, who paid off those he harassed with taxpayer money, has not been scrutinized by the press or called on to resign.

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161011204502-blake-farenthold-super-tease.jpg

    • GayOldLady

      I expect the Dems are waiting for MOORE to begin to wage the battle against other members. But this guy needed to be gone a long time ago. Shit’s getting ready to hit the fan!!!

      • Boreal

        Sadly, repigs will do nothing about their sexual predators while calling for dems to get rid of theirs. Paul Ryan called for Conyers to step down yet said not a word about this pile of porcine feces.

        • Tawreos

          Of course not, he loves that smell more than all the others, it means he is in his own fantasy land.

        • GayOldLady

          But I see a strategy in the Dems cleaning their own house as they’re demanding that the GOP clean it’s own. The GOP standing by Moore and other predators undermines their “family values” platform. I’ve heard several GOP strategists conclude that this will not serve the GOP well in the 2018 elections. Not every Red State is as willing to turn away from the truth as Alabama.

          • Boreal
          • GayOldLady

            I think you might underestimate the voters in some of the not-so-red states. Time will tell. Still I agree with the 33 U.S. Democratic Senators who say that members of the U.S. Congress should be held to a higher standard. Al was one of my favorite Senators, especially in Committee, but I think the Senators know more than we do about the accusations against Al and his accusers. At this point I think we have to trust them as they clean their own house.

          • Boreal

            I’m having a hard time trusting them when they don’t call out trump for even worse.

          • GayOldLady

            It’s frustrating for sure, but in the last few days I’ve heard several Senators talk about Trump’s transgressions. This morning Bernie spoke out against Trump as he joined the Dems calling for Al to step down. It’s a hard time for us as Dems but I feel certain there is a strategy that we don’t see yet and I also think they know more about Al than we know.

          • PickyPecker

            I agree with most of what you say, GOL. However, these Senators who are so kindly asking for resignation should also know there are established ways in which due-process should progress. They’re not doing themselves any favors in my eyes.

          • GayOldLady

            I think we’re all upset by this. The Congress hasn’t policed itself well and these things have been swept under the rug for too long. Proving these allegations beyond a shadow of a doubt is difficult, if not impossible, but at some point the Congress is responsible for dealing with it’s own members. My thought is that there’s more here than we know. As of yesterday there were 8 women basically telling the same story. All of them had contemporaneously recounted the events to family and friends at the time it happened. I feel certain the Dem Senate has investigated these claims as they’ve come forward. Again, this isn’t the ending I wanted, but I think we’ll see more resignations from Congress in the near future.

            I read this earlier today. It’s not grabbing of the breast or butt, but it’s still unsettling behavior. I wish I understood this sort of behavior better,

            https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/i-believe-frankens-accusers-because-he-groped-me-too/547691/

          • picalane

            Classic Democratic circular firing squad. Force a stalwart party kisser/ groper out while Rapeublicans rally around a pedophile.

          • bzrd

            It’s not “their own house” it’s our house and I wanted a public hearing to determine just what happened on the plane, and with photo ops, another public venue. Pictures taken in front of people but he grabbed her boobs, really. Clueless Franken put his hand on her bum in public. This is minor compared to the Resident Nazi, Moore, and others skulking behind closed doors. Now we’ve lost a chance at bettering the Dems. Just, quick, get rid of the mess while the republikkkunts laugh and keep their shite-masters.

          • GayOldLady

            Ethics hearings don’t take days, they take years. And I agree, compared to Moore these charges are of a much less serious nature, but 8 women came forward against him. And there are likely more.

          • Strepsi

            GayOldLady, i love you but NO ONE CARES that they undermine it. NO ONE CARES that they’re hypocrites. They want to win. They’ve INCREASINGLY endorsed Moore. This “winning hearts and minds” bullshit is bullshit because they have neither.

            They also can’t be shamed into getting rid of Moore or Trump in the name of fairness as they do not fairness and have no shame.

          • GayOldLady

            And I love you too Strep, we don’t disagree on the issue, just about how we go about resolving it. I feel badly for Franken because I think he is a casualty of his own bad decisions vs people like Moore and Trump who are full out sexual predators who are getting away with. And I agree the GOP can’t be shamed into doing anything, but I still have faith that the majority of Americans do see that POTUS is a sleazebag, especially after his first 11 months in office and they see Moore as a child molester. I think we’ll see more women step forward on Trump and if Moore wins I expect women who he molested, and he was a serial molester of young girls, to step forward. Then we’ll see how the GOP handles the contradiction of their own “Family Values” platform. Not every red state or purple state is Alabama, not by a long shot and I believe in the end the GOP will reap what they’ve sown.

    • SoCalGal20

      He said he’s going to pay the money back! /s

    • MichaelJ

      Nor, to my knowledge, has Pelosi and others of the self-righteous leaders of the Democratic Congress called for this guy to resign. The one-sided attempt to hold elected officials accountable for sexual harassment is so fucked up, in all sorts of ways that I am sure were mentioned in the hundreds of comments in yesterday’s thread on Franken.

  • sigh.

    so, it’s true i went on and on about Al, like a lot of women, in the last few days. he should’ve known better, is all i can say. i don’t pity him.

    that said? can we please look at the greater problem here, which is not just overly horny dems? ffs, that is so obvious. Al didn’t rape any five year old boys. he didn’t literally steal billions in a banking scheme cooked up by his buddies in the Senate. he didn’t start a war or announce that petro companies should pay no taxes. i don’t know for sure, but i’d bet a dollar and more that he is not holding hands and sleeping with a bunch of Saudi “princely” men.

    tldr; why are we focused on one dem man who may or may not be a rapist? when there are literally thousands of elected repukes who not only rape, but rape on every level of that word. ‘we’ are ‘responsible’ for Al. ok, i will accept that. ‘we’ are not responsible for the rape of the world, and everything in it.

    American Republicans and their voters… are.

    • AJ Drew

      Do you have a link to Siouxie vid “Cities in Dust”? Seems appropriate, but I can’t find a real one.

      • easygoingmister

        Hot and burning in your nostrils, Pouring down your gaping mouth
        Your molten bodies blanket of cinders, Caught in the throes oh oh

        Oh oh your city lies in dust, my friend
        Oh your city lies in dust, my friend
        https://youtu.be/_hMagNuhLkk

        • AJ Drew

          yes, thank you.

          • easygoingmister

            de nada.

  • JackFknTwist

    Let the punishment fit the crime.
    There’s no semblance of the punishment fitting the crime here.
    Sure, there’s a band wagon rolling, but there should be a distinction between grave crimes and misdemeanors …..and even minores culpaes.
    There’s no sign of such distinctions being made.
    It seems to be a general condemnation…..a bit like that maniac at Bezier in the Occitane region of France who said :
    “Kill them all, God will know his own.”

    • Ross

      Agreed.

      As I mentioned previously, all this reminds me of the McMartin preschool disaster, when mass hysteria allowed innocent people to be arrested and jailed. Many lives were ruined and all over false allegations.

      I also keep thinking of the Salem Witch Trials.

  • greenmanTN

    Yesterday or the day before I saw an NPR headline that read “Another Democrat Accused Of Sexual Harassment.” (It was about the Hispanic guy.) “ANOTHER DEMOCRAT” as if this is a partisan issue and there aren’t PLENTY of Republicans, including the President, who have been accused? Fuck you, NPR.

    But they circle the wagons and protect the POSs in their own ranks.

    The only possible good I see coming out of this is that Franken will probably give an awesome statement, then if they think he’s a thorn in their side now, he will no longer have to kowtow to parliamentary rules and decorum in his statements.

  • Tom Furgas

    As always, Dems take the high road while Republicans circle the wagons. This is why the GOP maintains power and we Dems are left with crumbs. We need to start fighting dirty the way they do, or our party will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    • gaycuckhubby

      What is fighting dirty? Letting our side get away with sexual harassment to?

      • PickyPecker

        What ever happened to ‘due process?’ Accusations, allegations and whipser campaigns are enough to have someone resign from their position???

        • Natty Enquirer

          Social media killed it.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Then we have to have the same for moore and have him not step aside or resign until there’s been a trial

          • PickyPecker

            Sure. That’s everyone’s right. However, Moore seems to be stonewalling any such effort to hear the accusers. Calling them liars, etc. I won’t hold my breath for him to open himself up to examination nor discovery.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Too bad. Due process

        • Funny, that’s the argument my right wing relatives are making about Moore. I’m fine with waiting for the investigation to be over, but there’s little to no chance that it won’t be worse for him once that’s done, so why put everyone through that?

          • Ross

            “there’s little to no chance that it won’t be worse for him once that’s done”

            Wow!

            You are a magical! You have wondrous powers of prophecy!

            Wow!

            Please, please Oh Great One, please pass on winning Lottery numbers to me!

          • You really think he’s resigning if there’s nothing else that will come out once the investigation is complete? I’m not psychic. But this also ain’t my first time at the rodeo.

          • Friday

            Frankly, there’s a difference between encouraging an inquiry on onesself and trying to bury the story and cover things up/outright lie about people to get elected anyway. Especially when the latter candidates are and have been pursuing policies and rulings to enable and even empower the mistreatment of women and try to justify their actions by claiming it’s OK for straight Christianists to poach teanagers.

      • Tom Furgas

        OK then, we punish our own and let the GOP give their boys a wrist slap. They win, we lose. It goes beyond sexual harassment claims. But, OK; we must take the moral high ground, and then be ground into the dust. OK then. Fine.

        • gaycuckhubby

          If the Democrats don’t take sexual harassment and sexual abuse seriously then I will leave the party.

          • Ross

            You fail to understand two things:

            1) Inappropriate behavior (which we are ALL guilty of at one time of another) is VASTLY different than sexual abuse.

            2) An accusation is not confirmation.

          • Tom Furgas

            And join the GOP? Then you can vote to re-elect the pussy-grabber in chief.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Nope. They arent any better

          • JackFknTwist

            How seriously ?
            Off with their heads for a hand on a knee ?
            Spare me !

          • Ross

            So, you will leave the party if the Dems don’t burn a witch at the stake upon an accusation?

            You seem unable to understand that an accusation is not confirmation.

            Franken has invited an inquiry. I say: let this play out.

            You also fail to see any distinction between inappropriate behavior and sexual abuse.

          • Boreal

            He fails to make much sense most of the time which is why he was added to my disqus block list. I have little time nor inclination to humor idiots.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Noooooo!!!! Not the block!

          • PeedeResistance

            Don’t let the door hit your ASS on the way out.

        • But I don’t plan to let Republicans get away with a slap on the wrist.

          • Boreal

            How will they be held accountable?

          • This issue will not be gone by next November. Every candidate will be scrutinized like never before. Voters may choose to re-elect them, but it won’t be without a very ugly campaign. They would be wise to retire now.

          • Boreal

            ‘Every DEMOCRATIC candidate will be scrutinized like never before. Voters may choose to re-elect them, but it won’t be without a very ugly campaign.’ It will do nothing to republicans whatsoever.

      • Ross

        SHE’S A WITCH!

        BURN HER!

        BURRRRRRRRN HER!!!!!!!!!!

        Welcome to the Salem Witch Trials, Redux.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Ok. But we cant do it to Republicans either

          • Ross

            I am not doing it either.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Ok. I understand you arent. At least you’re being consistent.

          • Ross

            I am always consistant on Thursdays.

        • You sound like a right-winger now. This isn’t a witch hunt. This is people who got away with horrible acts finally being held responsible. It’s long overdue, but it’s not at all unfair.

          • Ross

            Horrible acts?

            And how do you know this?

            You equate accusation with confirmation.

            People like you terrify me.

      • Thank you. “But the other side does it too” is not a good argument. If a Republican were facing the same accusations as Franken, I’d be calling for them to resign. We shouldn’t have different ethical standards for each party.

    • Boreal

      We’ll all be dead or in internment camps if Dems don’t grow a fucking spine.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup.

      • Tom Furgas

        Rearrange the letters in “spine” and you’ll find something else we need to grow; a penis.

    • Reasonoverhate

      Agree 1000%!

  • gaycuckhubby

    His support is tanking with Minn voters. He will step aside

    • Ross

      And, gee, voters have never been known to be fickle.

    • unsavedheathen

      Minneapolis Star-Tribune readers poll… 63% say he should not resign or at least wait for ethics investigation.

      • Ross

        Thank you.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Reader polls are not scientific polls…

        • unsavedheathen

          You’re absolutely correct.

      • gaycuckhubby

        A real poll by real pollsters. Two accusers ago…
        https://twitter.com/DrewLiquerman/status/934387590811275265

        • unsavedheathen

          Dated 11/23, almost immediately after the Tweedon story broke.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Yep

  • Reasonoverhate

    Franken should stand on the Senate floor and pledge to resign once tRump resigns and Moore drops out of the race! If neither happens, Franken should stay. Use this to expose the right wing christo-fascist hypocrisy!

    • PickyPecker
    • JackFknTwist

      Exactly…….let there be equal treatment for all.
      If the crime is egregious then so be it.
      But some of these ‘allegations’ are no more than flirting; bullying. harassment assault they are certainly not.
      Whereas Moore’s behaviour amounts to grooming and assault of minors.
      And Moore gets elected and Franken resigns.

      What the f uck is wrong with America ?

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    • Chucktech

      Sigh… No, Democrats apparently have to show they’re better than Republicans in the morality department, for all the fuck-all good that does anybody.

      • Boreal

        So far it has gotten us trump and repig control of all branches of govt.

      • Guy z

        Actually, they don’t have to show they are better…not in this manner. There is a process in the Senate for dealing with these issues (the ethics committee). This desire for quick mob justice got us to believe the “DNC rigged claims” spread by foreign entities. If you don’t like the system, work within it to change it. Our institutions are sufficiently fragile. We don’t need more mob rule.

        The initial response (ethics investigation) was the right one. The current, response to public pressure needs to be re-examined. If I, a gay male feminist, now fear being left alone with female (or male) students, the Me too movement might be ripe for an unwelcome but inevitable backlash. Let us be strategic…emotions are helpful, but channel them wisely.

        UPDATE: I sense welcome sarcasm in your comment, but posted my response just in case yours wasn’t sarcastic…x

      • pablo

        We can feel morally superior while our rights are abrogated. So we’ve got that.

      • Lawerence Collins

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    • MooseMalloy

      Yeah! This is all about politics! It’s all a conspiracy against us anyway and we should only do the right thing if it doesn’t cost us anything! Party Uber Alles!

    • Jeffg166

      Works for me.

  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    O/T: Occasion right wing hit jobs fail.

    TPM reporting “MSNBC has reversed its decision to terminate Sam Seder, a podcast host and contributor to the network, after a right-wing campaign targeted him for a satirical tweet criticizing supporters of accused rapist Roman Polanski.”

    • greenmanTN

      Good, because that was straight-up bullshit.

    • Ninja0980

      They didn’t have a choice when the people who did the right wing campaign bragged about how they got him fired and they would go after other people next.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Fantastic news!

    • HZ81

      Good. Now I have a minute to hope the same kinda thing is about to happen!

    • SoCalGal20

      Good to hear. That was straight up bullshit and news execs need to consider the sources on some of this stuff.

      I’m also glad they’re not doing anything with regards to the Red Rose Twitter campaign to fire Joy Reid.

      • Ninja0980

        That was such an obvious hit job it was laughable.
        If nothing else, the folks on the left who tell LGBT people we have to take a back seat for the “greater good” aka trying to get Trump voters pretending to care about LGBT issues is a joke.
        They were made because she crossed St.Bernie, nothing more.

        • SoCalGal20

          Seriously I want to know how many of the Red Rose Twitter crowd are actually alt-right trolls, Russian bots, a Cernovich op, etc.

        • CottonBlimp

          This former Sanders supporter has never been more done with Bernie. Fuck those creeps.

    • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

      Wonderful. I was glad to see Chris Hayes speaking out against MSNBC canning Sam.

  • Ninja0980

    My fear is this.
    That in trying to do the right thing (standing up for victims of sexual harassment and worse) that we go overboard at some point.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    At some point, someone innocent is going to be accused and by the time we find that out, he’ll have been driven out of office because we aren’t allowed to question an accuser, even if facts don’t line up.
    IMO, I don’t think Franken is that guy but the next person very well may be.

  • Tunamelt

    Franken committed the mortal sin of embarrassing Trump appointees and they are coming after him not for justice, but for revenge. And of course the democratic party continues to believe that if they take the high road the republicans and the American public will eventually join them. Meanwhile the republican party is about to elect an accused pedophile to the senate demonstrating that they will do ANYTHING for power.

  • ByronK
    • Gustav2

      That is the whole point for Franken’s resignation… 2018 and 2020

  • SilasMarner

    Franken shouldn’t resign until/if Roy Moore is elected. If elected then stay in the Senate, because, you know, if it’s good enough for Roy Moore then it’s good enough for Franken. And if not elected then resign.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • gaycuckhubby

      Good point. Republicans are scum on this issue.

  • I don’t like this but I think it’s what has to happen. I can’t defend what he did and won’t. I did that with Bill Clinton. It wasn’t worth it. It never is. Others are welcome to disagree, but we have to enforce our own ethical standards if we expect anyone else to. And now it’s time to demand that Trump resign for the same (worse, obviously) reasons.

    • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

      I was having this convo with some friends. It’s difficult. The same republicans who say liberalism is a mental disorder and that we have no ethics will be calling us fools tomorrow. It’s a no win situation.

      • CanuckDon

        It’s because Republicans know exactly how to get under our skin. They have always perceived us as the loony bleeding heart do-gooders of society and take every goddamn opportunity that comes along to knock us down a peg….and the fuckers know it works because of our own out-of-control self-righteousness.

        • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

          Roger Stone and Steve Bannon are behind this.

      • Lowering ourselves to Republican standards of behavior. The problem with Democrats is not that we don’t protect our own bad actors like they do. We shouldn’t. But that we don’t fight for what is right. That’s the problem. Lowering our ethical standards will not make us better. Standing up for our principles will. I think people defending Franken are missing the point here. Do we really want to be like the Moore supporters. Yes, Moore is worse, but both are well past what we ought to condone.

        • Dazzer

          You are talking about ‘ethical standards’.

          Why don’t you let the Ethics committee investigate Franken and examine their findings?

          At the moment, most of your arguments can be reduced to a polite way of arguing for a lynch mob.

          There is never anything ethical about allowing mob justice.

          • If Franken can honestly say there’s not going to be anything else/worse from such an investigation then I’d support him in wanting to wait for the ethics committee. In fact, that was the plan. If not, then it’s best if he gets this over with.

          • Dazzer

            It shouldn’t be what Franken wants here. It should be what society at large and the victims demand.

            There needs to be a clear rule as to what “ethical standards” are.

            There’s nothing ethical about repetitive accusation without investigation – and, if the accusations are found to have truth, punishment or reparation.

            Currently, as this shows, the DNC “ethical” standards are to respond to anonymous accusations.

            At every logical level, that’s the wrong policy.

    • Boreal

      I still do defend Clinton because this is the same type of bullshit and rank hypocrisy that the GOP continues to get away with while we sacrifice our own.

      https://thinkprogress.org/what-we-now-know-about-the-men-who-led-the-impeachment-of-clinton-8b5557723bc9/

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, not to mention his accusers like Broaderick said nothing while Trump attacked his accusers and are doing the same thing with Moore.
        They are right wing shills and nothing more.

      • Yes, and part of the reason they get away with it is becuase they can’t point and say “but Democrats do it too”. And too often they are right.

        Here’s the lesson: if you don’t want a sex scandal then keep your hands to yourself and your penis in your pants.

        • Boreal

          Here’s the lesson, republicans win because we sacrifice our own without due process while they do not.

          • If it weren’t for the photo, you’d have a point But he can’t very well deny doing something when there’s a picture of him doing it.

    • Ross

      As an American citizen, I was fine with Bill getting a blow job from a consenting adult.

      I would have felt otherwise if I had been married to him. But I wasn’t.

      And I am fine with people doing whatever the fuck they want with their private life, as long as it is legal. And sometimes even if it is not legal, like smoking pot.

    • Strepsi

      it was totally worth it with Bill Clinton politically – I was having this argument with a Trump supporter yesterday who said that Mueller is corrupt and partisan and only wants to get Trump no matter what the charge. I said, no, that’s what the GOP did to Clinton: they DECIDED TO IMPEACH him, then started investigations into corruption, Starr had nothing until he found the blow job and Clinton was eventually impeached for lying about it.

      The part of the plan that Democrats don’g understand is this assumtion that Republicans will be ashamed by their hypocrisy, or ashamed that their values are not really moral. They won’t be.

    • Nathaniel

      I disagree. There are two solutions: be decent and lose (consequences are horrifying, just look who runs US) or play like the other side. There’s no ideal world, with high moral standards and smart societies.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Cuberly Deux

      Thanks for posting this.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    I can’t watch this.

  • Ninja0980

    The name Blake Farenthold should be brought up again and again.
    If Democrats have to resign, one has to explain why someone who paid $84,000 dollars to settle a harassment claim gets to stay simply because he is a Republican.

    • gaycuckhubby

      I agree.

  • ETownCanuck

    I hope the statement he makes is “Sure I’ll resign, just as soon as every Republican in the room facing the same accusations does so as well.”

  • AtticusP

    If Al Franken resigns then Donald Trump should do the same.

    He’s guilty of far worse than Franken ever thought of doing.

    • gaycuckhubby

      I agree. He should

    • Gustav2

      Don’t forget Justice Thomas.

  • tbj5

    For what it’s worth, Franken denies the latest accusation entirely.

    If he’s guilty he should step down. It he’s not, he should stay and go through ethics committee.

    • Ninja0980

      The one from the Vox writer?

  • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give
    • Tread

      She’s got a point.

      • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

        She’s the baddest broad of them all.

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      God I love her. Just saw her again this weekend in Hello Dolly! What an amazing performer.

      • Kelly Lape

        You’re very lucky to have seen her performance. I envy that.

    • gaycuckhubby

      So whats the solution?

      • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

        Last I heard it was “when they go low, we go high.” However, I’m fresh out of ideas other than voter turnout in 2018.

        • Kelly Lape

          My turnout was just guaranteed to be absent for the DNC forever more.

          • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

            That’s not a solution. That’s a reaction.

          • Kelly Lape

            Voting for Democrats isn’t a solution either.

          • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

            President Trump thanks you for your continued support.

          • Kelly Lape

            You’e absolutely right. Not voting for a Democrat is the same as voting for Trump. Thanks to your insight and wisdom, I’ll just go ahead and vote straight Republican from now on. Way to motivate the heartbroken. Great Job!

          • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

            You are acting like a victim and your tantrum ran its course 22 comments ago.

          • Ivan T. Errible

            Are you suggesting that a vote for Lincoln Chafee was wasted?

          • Kelly Lape

            no vote is wasted if you vote your conscience

          • Nathaniel

            are you 12?

          • Kelly Lape

            No. I’m 53 and refuse to continue to support cowards that roll over every time the GOP whistles. This was a partisan inspired witch hunt from the beginning and Al is only the first. The GOP has established the rules accuse a Democrat and he’s gone – support a Republican Child Molester and he’s a Senator or the woman abusing President.

            You don’t understand that Al is gone for putting his hand on an Ass. As soon as a male Democrat makes trouble for the GOP the avalanche of “he touched me” will pour forth. And why not? It works for them.

            No I won’t vote for cowards. Let the GOP have the country it isn’t worth saving.

          • Nathaniel

            I agree, this is unfair, but not voting and letting GOP win is not an answer. I’m deeply distressed with a fact that 2016 don’t teach a lot of people anything.

          • Kelly Lape

            You are presenting me with a choice of voting for people who are morally cowards under threat that people who are morally reprehensible will win otherwise.

            No. I’m not Sophie and I won’t kill hope to prevent the death of reprehensible change. The GOP is the fault of the 60 million Republicans who vote for them combined with the 63 Million Democrats who vote for GOP enablers.

            I finally understand the Bernie Voters.

          • Nathaniel

            There is no place for morality in politics.
            You are facing a choice (figuratively speaking): be hit three times a day or once a day. The perfect world in which no one is hit does not exist.

          • Kelly Lape

            I’ll take the three hits a day rather than align with cowards who throw their own to the wolves at the first sign of trouble.

          • Nathaniel

            Bernieism is really state of mind…

          • Kelly Lape

            Nope. I voted for Hillary in 2008, and 2016. Bill in ’92 & ’96. Carter in ’80 (too young in ’76). Mondale in ’84. Dukakis in ’88. Gore in ’00 and Kerry in ’04. I met Kerry in ’96 as part of a color guard for a Veterans Day Event. Met Carter in ’76. Bill in ’96.

            Now we have Senators denying an ally of a fair hearing. Why? Because women say… A woman told the WaPo that Roy Moore Raped her. At least the WaPo had the decency to check out her story before lighting the fire. Democrats? No! Burn the Witch!

          • Nathaniel

            I agree with you on Franken. I just don’t think it is responsible not to vote anymore. Your protest will make damage to citizens, not to politicians.People you want to punish will be in a good shape anyway.

          • Dazzer

            I understand entirely where you’re coming from. I live in the UK and you have no idea the frustration I have with the Labour Party and the way in which it has given up the fight against Brexit.

            It’s the slow bubble of anger that gets hot and frothy under your fingertips – it’s that visceral.

            I keep on shouting at the TV whenever there’s another weak and witless Labour politician on the TV: “Just get a fucking backbone and fucking fight. It’s a fucking open goal. Make the arguments and voters will support you.”

            Unlike various people here, I applaud your passion.

            That said, I’d advise you not to make a decision that backs you into a moral/ethical corner. Don’t become so convinced by the righteousness of your stance that others opposition forces you to constantly uphold the stance you have taken right now (understandable and laudable though it is).

            Instead, when an election comes round, consider most where your vote will be used best.

            I’m lucky inasmuch as I have a Brexit-hating MP, so even though her party is fucking useless, she’s voting according to her constituents wishes.

            You’ve written to your representatives and explained how angry you feel. You’ve also cut your donations. Both of those are fine.

            However, in the election booth, always take a 30-second deep breath and consider which candidate will achieve most – if not all – of your wishes.

          • Kelly Lape

            You speak great wisdom. However, decades of continued disappointment with the Democratic party’s ability to stand up and fight lead me to conclude they won’t change. If I’m going to waste my vote, I’ll waste it in a way of my own choosing. I’m tired of seeing good and great thrown away in the pursuit of perfect. There is nothing good or great in a party of moral cowards.

          • Dazzer

            Whatever you do, man, I understand and support you.

            I don’t agree with what you see as your destination, but you’ll get no condemnation from me.

          • JackFknTwist

            I like and agree with what you say about Brexit and the Labour Party. They should be combining with the ‘Remainers’ to turf out the May Tories and get a new election.
            The Tories are about to destroy the British economy.
            tThe very fact that they got into bed with the DUP is beyond appalling.
            Now the DUP ‘Little Englanders’ are cock-a-hoop with their 5 minutes of power .May is afraid to call their bluff and make the agreement with the EU/Ireland. She should call it; the result is either they back down and the UK gets an agreement or
            they don’t support her and the Tories fall at the hand of the DUP.
            Either way the DUP have been hoisted by their own bigot petard.

            And what’s this about the DUP wanting ‘equivalence’ with the rest of the UK ?
            The DUP have prevented ‘equivalence’ for gays to have marriage equality with the rest of the UK !!
            What a bunch of stinking hypocrites.

          • Dazzer

            Don’t get me started on the DUP.

            I just don’t have the words.

            I lived in Ireland (RoI) before I lived in Britain.

            The only thing I’ll point out to people still reading this thread is that when it came to creating the Good Friday agreement that brought peace and an end to decades of thousands of political murders and hundreds of thousands of maimings and millions of PTSD, the group of people who fought hardest against peace were the DUP.

          • JackFknTwist

            Yes.
            I think they have no rgard for the actual welfare of the people . They are only concerned with being ‘Little Englanders’.

            And of course they hate gays.
            They re all consumed with evangelism.
            Have you seen Donaldson with his little Christian ‘fish’ badge ?

      • Nathaniel

        Stay in the Senate until term expires, then not seek reelection.

      • m_lp_ql_m

        Become a Republican and get reelected.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I did not mean Franken, but the Democratic Party.

    • leastyebejudged

      Spoken like the true whore she is.

      If integrity means so little to you, go to the GOP.

    • Buford

      Agree. While it’s nice to fantasize about how taking the high, moral path will eventually pull more Americans to our cause, that’s simply a gamble many wound’t risk.

      In today’s rancid political environment, are there really Independents out there who are sincerely undecided as to which party is the right one for them, and do we really think that being righteous on this particular issue will be the action that finally pulls them our way…??

      • Mark McGovern

        Yes, it is true. I would not describe it as “righteous”, but rather the right approach. He displayed bad behavior, and he/us must pay the price. I harbor him no ill will; I thought he was a great Senator. But how can I say to our daughters that we condemn that kind of behavior against women, yet elect someone who engages that behavior to lead us?

        What do we stand for? Over the long term, that is the question. On the short term, a Dem will be appointed to the seat until 2018. Had Franken stayed, perhaps the seat would have been lost in 2020. If there is one thing we should have learned, let’s not carry baggage we don’t have to carry into elections.

    • Mark McGovern

      I have to respectfully disagree with Bette on this. He did the right thing in his resignation. That is the difference between us and them. It is a lose lose situation, but at least a Democrat will be appointed to the seat on the short term. In fact, the resignation may well save the seat over the long term.

  • Mike__in_Houston

    So Al Franken presumably resigns, in large part because of the pressure of Senate Democrats, while Senate Republicans double down in support of Roy Moore. Another example of Democrats begging to be defeated; I can’t even say “snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory” because I don’t see any jaws of victory around…

    • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

      You can’t say “snatch” either. That’s what got us into this mess in the first place.

    • netxtown

      purity

    • leastyebejudged

      He’s doing the adult thing, the ethical thing.

      Without ANY support from the party, what else could he do ?

      This could be the beginning of a massive shift towards Democrats if it’s played right.

    • CanuckDon

      Plus this confirms to Republicans once again that their strategy of always being able to shame Democrats works. It continually puts the Left on the defense even when they’re not in office.

  • Richard

    What BS ! Democrats and their well know circular firing
    squads love the old we’ll take the high road meme while Republicans sit back
    and snicker…all the while Republicans keep winning and keeping their
    majority. You can bet if Moore gets to the senate (pretty
    certain he will) all will be forgiven and forgotten by his fellow
    Republicans….they would never think of ejecting him after all those good Republican
    voters of Ala put him there. With Republicans it’s all about
    winning and keeping a majority, because you can’t do squat in the minority! …….. Having an ‘accused’ pedophile
    seated, while an ‘accused’ ass grabber is ejected seems to me to be a bit
    skewed. Isn’t Franken entitled to his day in court?

    • Kelly Lape

      The DNC forever lost my vote today. Pissed at the cowardice of these worthless politicians unable to distinguish between Franken and Molesters sickens me.

    • Boreal

      They go low, we go high…………….and get kicked in the nuts every single time.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, the courts are the best example of that.
        Why Democrats played nice after what Republicans did to Clinton I will never know.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Worse still, that kick comes from other “liberals & leftists” who dmand purity over practicality.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Seriously guys, what is the solution? We say it’s not fair that the Republicans get away with sexual harassment charges but we don’t. So what do we do?

    • Tawreos

      All of them should stop sexually harassing people and the problem ends

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        I think you forgot a word 🙂

        • Tawreos

          Of course I did. =)

    • Ragnar Lothbrok
      • Boreal

        It won’t matter how much pressure there is because repigs are power hungry monsters. If that pressure mattered, dump wouldn’t have gotten the nomination by repigs. We will purge our ranks but they will not follow suit or feel any shame about it.

    • SoCalGal20

      More women in positions of power. Men keeping their hands to themselves and not thinking they’re entitled to other women and men’s bodies just because.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Yes!

      • Ross

        I have grabbed a lot of butts in my life.

        My butt was grabbed a lot of times.

        And this is VASTLY different than sexual assault.

      • MarkBuster

        It’s hard to make this shift away from straight white guys high-fiving boorish behavior. They don’t know how to be, we don’t know how to be with them.

    • Reasonoverhate

      See my comment below. Use these situations to highlight their hypocrisy. Franken should stay until tRump resigns and Moore steps down. Dems need to grow some fucking balls!

      • gaycuckhubby

        how can you highlight hypocrisy if we don’t do anything different than the Republicans?

        • Reasonoverhate

          has a single Republican stepped down? hell, they’re all supporting a child molester and the base is 100% behind him. Franken goes if they go. If not, the Dems get nothing out of this. 40% of this country thinks that a Dam is WORSE than a child molester. Think about that!

          • gaycuckhubby

            I have thought about it. And I could not support a party who let’s the opposition party drag them down into being okay with sexual harassment and abuse

          • Reasonoverhate

            I’m not saying it’s ok. But members of both parties must be held to the same standard. This PC bullshit that the Dems cling to just insures that we keep fucking losing!

          • gaycuckhubby

            Ok. So we let tge Republicans dictate how we act from now enough. Fun.

    • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

      Go low? Beat them at their own game? Someone posted below that he should give a speech saying he will resign when Trump does and Moore drops out.

    • Ross

      THE SOLUTION:

      Franken has invited an inquiry. Let it play out.

      NOT THE SOLUTION:

      Burn Franken at the stake because of accusations.

    • MarkBuster

      The solution set has to include a way to unify, or we will spend another 10 years in an identity struggle between left and center. If that happens, it’s a giveaway for the far right.

    • easygoingmister

      I like what MarkBuster says

      ‘The solution set has to include a way to unify, or we will spend another
      10 years in an identity struggle between left and center. If that
      happens, it’s a giveaway for the far right.’

      and the first thing that leaps to my mind toward doing such is elections. The security of the
      ballot – district definition – funding, oh wow, the funding part.

      I have to believe we are in a distorted upside-down, or I go crazy thinking about how people can be so horrible.

  • Tread

    Ultimately, I’m fucking pissed at asshole straight men who think it’s ok to grab other women. Keep your fucking hands to yourselves, dickheads.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    What is with the peanut farm talk ?

    • AJ Drew

      ref to Carter, whether meant as good or bad, I don’t know, but I’m guessing a good reference, or it should be.

  • Jay George

    I can’t watch it. I’m going to practice some of the willful ignorance that people in my state are infamous for.

  • Tomcat

    Not to worry, he will receive a very generous retirement package. Better than ALMOST ALL of us.

    • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

      I’m pretty sure that none of us are worried about that right now.

  • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

    2 minute warning.

    • Tread

      Yeah, I’m not going to watch this. Fuck Roger Stone.

    • Joe in PA

      Waves hi! Good to see you back.

    • AJ Drew

      upvote just cuz you’ve been missed… wait a 2 minutes, whatchu mean by wait 2 minute warning?

      • Joe in PA

        Pics or it didn’t happen…as we like to say around here. 🙂

      • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

        It was supposed to start at 11:45 EST. I posted that at 11:43 EST. Two minute warning. Like in football.

        • Joe in PA

          My head went somewhere else. 🙂

          • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

            HA!

        • Boreal

          Football? Do I need to revoke your gay card?

          • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

            My gay card is fully authorized for football.

  • SoCalGal20

    A lot of you are asking why Franken should be forced to resign while Moore and Trump gets a pass. Check out this article by Nate Silver.

    https://twitter.com/msignorile/status/938797949315944448

    • MikeBx2

      We’ll see if it works out the way he suggests. I’m hopeful and skeptical.

    • Tread

      It’s not going to play out that way. In the age of Trump, people can do whatever they want without any consequences, except pissing off liberals. That’s it.

    • Do Something Nice

      I hate that it seems to becoming a political decision because of Moore. We suck at messaging, marketing and making stuff stick to Republicans.

    • Ningsisa

      Good points, but the argument seems to depend on the lack of discipline among Democratic voters. I’m stuck on this: “As The Huffington Post’s Ariel Edwards-Levy points out, voters in both parties largely believe sexual harassment claims made against the other party — but Democrats also tend to believe claims made against fellow Democrats, while Republicans are more skeptical about claims made against GOP lawmakers.” Republicans have more party discipline, and Democrats are easily divided and encouraged to stay away from the polls.

    • PeedeResistance

      One of Silver’s stupidest columns in months–a total rehash of the Candy Land fantasies which are the exact opposite of what will happen, and which have infected this board as well. Let’s summarize in ascending order of ridiculousness: voters are stupid and influenced by tabloid smear tactics; voters are stupid and can’t make ‘fine distinctions’ (which means any distinctions at all); Quinnipiac is completely reliable in spite of all the evidence to the contrary; Franken would lose anyway in his next election so it’s better to have a relative unknown with no Senate experience and no standing on committees appointed as his replacement now (!?!?!?!?!?) I could go on, but why even bother pointing out yet again that this is nothing more than optics, autophagy, and the circular firing squad one more time?
      It’s amurrikkka! Double standards for all! IOKIYAR!
      Please.

  • Nick in Pasadena

    I certainly hope that he references the GOP hypocrisy in some fashion, perhaps not by calling out Trump and Moore directly (to avoid ‘what-aboutism’) but in his usual well-spoken way.

  • Michael R

    This is a big loss for me

    ” We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.

    That’s why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well. ”

    Al Franken … Lies: And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (2004).

    • Tread

      We’re going to regret this, guaranteed.

      • canoebum

        I regret it already.

  • Friday

    I’m waiting to hear what Franken’s got to say for himself at this point. I’ve got no reason to believe he won’t own up to actual misdeeds and every reason to be wary of Republican dirty tricks and lies. We know we’re dealing with dishonest opposition.

    • Ross

      Yep.

      Yep.

      Yep!

  • Tomcat

    His voice and tough questions for the other side WILL BE MISSED.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Thank you Mr Franken. For your service and for doing the right thing

    • Bryan

      I see this today as working towards a more perfect union.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • Gustav2

      PS Elect Roy Moore to the Senate!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!

    • Tomcat

      The trump family does not even have any idea of what high ground means.

      • Tawreos

        It’s their penthouse suites, right?

    • ETownCanuck

      The ONLY high ground Trump has ever been close to is what he’s bulldozed to build one of his shitty buildings or golf courses.

  • netxtown

    do none of these fucks own a watch?

  • Tim Cavanaugh

    Wow the democratic female senators are controlled by the evangelical republicans? because they are the one’s I hear calling for his resignation.

    • Friday

      Unclear, really. It could be jumping a bandwagon too soon, or they could actually have more information than we do.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Don’t underestimate the power of the bandwagon. No one wants to be on the wrong side of the pillory.

      • leastyebejudged

        lol, they have no evidence.

    • unsavedheathen

      This is Gillibrand burnishing her public image for a run at national office in 2020 as much as it is anything to do with Franken and sexual harassment.

      • canoebum

        She’s my Senator and I’m becoming less and less supportive as time goes by. I’d like to see her get a primary challenger.

        • Dazzer

          Have you written to tell her that?

          If enough of her constituents tell her that they’re not enamoured of the way she’s moving, it might give her pause for thought.

          • Boreal

            We have been telling her that. If you go to her FB page, not the senate one, the comments are overwhelmingly disapproving of her position.

          • Dazzer

            Good.

            If you want change, you have to tell people you want change.

            🙂

          • canoebum

            I write Elise Stefanik almost every week, but it looks like I may have to start writing to Gillibrand as well.

        • Boreal

          I called her DC office yesterday and told her staffers that she was a hypocrite.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    🙁

  • PickyPecker
    • Cuberly Deux

      🙁

    • Bad Tom

      Me too.

  • netxtown

    nail ’em AL NAIL ‘EM!

  • MikeBx2

    Lately I do not feel energized when Democrats “do the right thing”. I feel energized (and generous) when they tell Republicans to go F themselves. But I’m not a political strategist, so what do I know.

  • ByronK

    This is so fucking depressing. At least he took good shots at Trump and Moore.

  • Leo

    Just announced it (by end of year). Mentioned the irony of Moore right after. (!!!!!)

  • Kelly Lape

    Good bye Al. Good bye DNC. You’ve silenced our champion and will pay for it.

  • JoeMyGod
  • MarkBuster

    It’s unfortunate, but for the best. Fair or not, he would be tainted goods and the DNC seriously needs to focus on re-connecting it’s former membership. He would hold that back.

    • Leo

      Reconnecting former members. Those so concerned with ‘economic security’ . Forgive the cynicism.

      • Boreal

        ‘Economic security’=sticking it to those brown people and queers.

      • MarkBuster

        I’m not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that the DNC is fragmented because former members want to be economically successful?

        • Boreal

          No, he is saying that the term economic security they used in saying they voted for trump was code for racism.

  • Boreal
  • joe ho

    Stone and Bannon get to put another notch on their belts.

  • JoeMyGod
    • Lumpy Gaga

      Was this a speech quote, or is this somebody finger-wagging?

  • Well done, Senator. Well said.

  • Lazycrockett

    Damn good speech.

  • JackNasty

    Democratic women are only eating their own with this witch hunt. Republicans couldn’t be happier about it.

    • stevenj

      It’s right out of the Roger Stone playbook.

  • Joe in PA

    Wow, shout out to Wellstone. Good job.

    • canoebum

      Paul Wellstone was his politcial mentor and they were friends long before Al Franken entered politics.

      • Joe in PA

        I didn’t know that. It figures I suppose, thanks.

        • canoebum

          I still call bullshit on the plane crash. Cheney had him killed because Wellstone was the most effective voice in the US Senate against the invasion of Iraq.

          • Joe in PA

            Whoa! He was amazing.

      • Joe in PA

        Do you have a MN connection? I mean after all…everyone in MN has a canoe, right? 🙂 A Wenonah perhaps? 🙂

        • canoebum

          Adirondacker here. Mine is a Kevlar/Airex Mad River Explorer, 16 1/2 feet, 55 lbs.

          • Joe in PA

            I know nothing about canoes (I have a 13′ Coleman. Don’t laugh. 🙂 But when I was visiting MN my cousin let me use the Wenonah…it was amazing. Incredible difference.

          • canoebum

            Excellent canoes. The main difference with Wenonah canoes and other Kevlar boats, is the Wenonah has no gel coat, so it is more susceptible to scrapes on rocks or when pulling it over beaver dams, etc. They are generally more sleek than the Mad River, and lighter, which is good for speed, but cuts carrying capacity. My canoe will carry 1200 lbs of passengers and gear with 4″ of freeboard (height of the gunwale over the water). Some trips it seems like I’m pushing the limit. I take way too much shit to the woods.

          • Joe in PA

            Wow, the things you learn on JMG. 🙂 My Wenonah experience was on a small/medium sized lake in MN. It was like butta. Effortless compared to that tank Coleman. And yes, the Coleman has a ton of scratches on the bottom, I used it mostly on the [shallow] part of the Shenandoah River in Virginia.

  • Rex

    I just don’t like this.
    The Dems do the right thing, and end up failing.
    The Repubs say “fuck you” and end up getting elected.
    This has to change.

    • JackNasty

      Since when is promulgating a witch hunt the right thing?

      Where is due process?
      What is the evidence?
      What about the right to face an accusers in an open court?
      What specifically is the crime?

      Accusations ought not to be not enough to oust a Senator. making no distinction between flirting and rape helps no one. Shame on the Democrats.

  • Leo

    If Moore wins the base will have Dems throats unless they hammer the point. It won’t be enough to make a difference but little does these days.

  • BartmanLA

    And you watch, Franken stepped up, admitted his errors in behavior, and did the “right” thing, But Trump will still attack and crow how terrible the Democrats are, I just know he will try to use this as a stepping stone to try to boost his ego even more.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      And ‘Mercans will eat it up.

  • Cuberly Deux

    I know I may be in the minority here but he’s doing the right thing. Conyers resigned, accusations against Franken were mounting. If we’re the party of inclusion I for one don’t want to proceed with the notion that if you’re a white dude with a list of accusations there’s different rules that apply to you.

    Does this suck? Absolutely. But if you approach someone in a GOTV effort you have a degree of moral high ground backing you.

    • Boreal

      Yet no resignation from Farenthold or trump.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Exactly.

        • Boreal

          That is why I oppose him resigning without due process. It guts our ranks while achieving nothing.

          • Joe in PA

            And I can just see Sarah Huckabilly saying: see, he resigned! The dems are bad!

          • Boreal

            That is exactly what will happen. We’ve seen this bad movie many times before.

          • Agreed, but this time I have a little optimism, as the Dems (well, a pro Dem SuperPAC) have actually be hitting Moore hard as a pedophile in TV ads. Normally they just roll over and expect things to be obvious to voters.

          • Cuberly Deux

            As per my original comment I don’t think it achieves nothing.

          • Boreal

            I disagree. I predict Roy Moore will likely win and repigs will get even more seats in the senate in coming elections because our side sacrifices our own without a fair hearing and they do not.

          • Reasonoverhate

            The ONLY saving grace here is that another Dem will get his seat. Let’s hope they are as effective as Franken was.

          • Joe in PA

            But will the appointed Senator get the committee positions that Franken holds?

          • Boreal

            I read somewhere the woman being appointed is a placeholder and will not run in the next election so repigs will take this seat back, probably Coleman.

          • Reasonoverhate

            Place holder until the 2020 election. I think that is when Franked was up for re-election. Need to confirm that though. Could be 2018

          • Boreal

            He should appt someone who wants to hold the seat.

          • Joe in PA

            Pretty sure it is 2018 for the election, the resignation has to be within so many days of the primary (which it will be), then they have the election during the following election season. Not sure how long THAT seat is held though…if it goes back to his regular cycle.

    • Joe in PA

      I think more people are with you than you think, but the frustration we are all feeling is overwhelming sometimes. We lash out. ;( Sad sad day.

    • ByronK

      I hate what is happening but I reluctantly agree with you. A fine man steps down while the human pieces of trash remain.

      • Elsewhere1010

        And human pieces of trash have one less obstacle to destroying this country for men and women equally.

    • Reasonoverhate

      News Flash…..the moral high ground means nothing in this country anymore!

      • Cuberly Deux

        …and it shouldn’t be that way.

        • Ningsisa

          Put “shouldn’t” in one hand and spit in the other and see which one gets filed first.

      • Uncle Mark

        Dems are the only ones, who recognize the moral height ground. The Republicans refuse to see it nor rise to the Dems’ standards, yet the Republicans still claim to be the “moral, Christian party.” Talk to any Republican, they will deny that the Democrats ever have the moral high ground.

        • AmeriCanadian

          Oh Republicans see it. And they’re laughing all the way to a super majority. They use our standards against us.

  • ok, one major question. is his replacement going to be a D? or R?

    • netxtown

      she’s a D

    • Boreal

      Dem gov of Minnesota.

      • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

        Lieutenant Gov

        • Boreal

          I meant the Dem gov gets to make the appt.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Also, too: It doesn’t HAVE to be the Lt. Gov., but given that she’s probably in the highest political position (available) in the State, and voted on by everybody, it … oh, fuck it, Dayton. Pick some small-town Democrat dog-catcher.

    • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

      D, the Lt Gov, but as she takes the seat, it will shift a republican into the Lt Gov position.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Because she’s a Thuglican President of the Senate, which should tell you something about how “liberal” MN is these days.

  • misterjack

    I wish he had said,”I will resign the very second that Orangeturd resigns.”

  • Gustav2

    “irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office.”

    • AmeriCanadian

      When will the tweet storm hit from Drumpf since he was “attacked” by Franken?

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    He fought for us with wit and insight. He will be missed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=318DYr_K8J4

    • Joe in PA

      I can’t watch…too sad. 🙁

      • HZ81

        Nor can I. What bullshit. I hope his accusers eventually have to swear in court. 3 known wingnuts and 3 anonymous accusers.

        The person who could have identified this smear job a mile away is probably resigning from the senate right now.

  • Buford

    Franken is a class act.

    • ByronK

      The loss of his intelligence, ethics, compassion and humor is so very smaddening. (sad/mad mashup).

      • Buford

        He worded his resignation perfectly. He clarified that he never admitted anything and then denied the accusations…he pointed out the hypocrisy of Trump/Moore not facing repercussions… and he explained that he can’t serve Minnesota if he’s too preoccupied with an ethics investigation.

        I still believe this is a hit job, but hopefully sacrificing Franken will pay off down the road (reluctantly optimistic).

        • ByronK

          I’m holding on to a sliver of optimism that says down does not always mean out.

          • bzrd

            I have no optimism. The whole line of dirty tricks the republikkkunts have pulled since nixon has led to the Resident Nazi. They learned their lies and cons got them what the wanted because the Democrats proved over and over to be invertebrates. I wanted all accusers of Franken to tell their story to the investigating committee; right away he said he wanted a hearing, no republikkkunt wants to investigate the disgusting behavior of the R Nazi and their other sleaze-bags. Their tricks will never end if we fall before the fight.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Reasonoverhate

      1000x YES!

  • MooseMalloy

    Why is this happening? I like Senator Franken so I don’t care what he does to women. This is all about politics! There’s no reason why we should be any better than republicans! This is all a conspiracy against us by the reichwing in the pay of Karl Rove!

  • Tawreos

    I will miss him. I hope he goes back to try doing a liberal radio network again, I was peeved that he had to quit that to run for the senate.

  • netxtown

    ..and there goes a huge chunk of the Dem spine. Wonder what rabbit they will try to pull out of their ass now?

  • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give
    • ByronK

      Speaking of pieces of human garbage….

      • Jalapeño Out Of F**ks To Give

        Junior doesn’t grasp irony well.

        • ByronK

          He doesn’t seem to grasp a lot of things very well.

        • Uncle Mark

          Junior doesn’t grasp A LOT of things well. (It must be a shared family mental-defect.) The other day at his hearing, Junior thought he was a lawyer…seeking to employ “attorney-client privilege” when asked about his conversation with his father after his Russian meeting.

          • ByronK

            He’s several sandwiches short of a picnic.

    • AJ Drew

      Keep tweeting, Junior, cuz you are worthy of what’s coming.

    • Joe in PA

      That nut didn’t fall too far from the tree, eh?

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Turd never falls too far from the ass.

  • leastyebejudged

    The moment you should be most proud of the integrity of your party is the moment you’re most critical of it.

    Fickle fickle fickle

    • Uncle Mark

      So why aren’t you screaming to the hills about holding the GOP to the same standards? Aren’t they supposed to be the “moral, Christian party?”

      • Reality.Bites

        Yes, but leastyebejudged is a Dem-hating troll.

        • leastyebejudged

          You are a liar. I only hate fake Dems like yourself, you piece of garbage.

          • Tread

            Well, we hate you right back, you self-righteous, suicide-wishing piece of shit.

        • Uncle Mark

          Yeah…I’ve noticed. I think it’s his idealism that makes him hate the current state of this party…a party that never ceases to disappoint me as of late for different reasons. It’s not that idealism is wrong; it’s important; it’s our goal…our heaven, but unfortunately politics is a very messy business, and idealistic purity doesn’t permit pragmatism nor compromise.

          If it’s about removing the sinners from office, what good does it do, if we shoot our own best and brightest over the unexplored allegations of impropriety, while the Republicans keep their rapists and thieves? Are people flocking to the Democrats over this?

        • Ningsisa

          What he doesn’t understand is that this was not “courageous” for the party to force him out. It’s EVEN MORE capitulation from the party of capitulation and weakness.

      • leastyebejudged

        Because I’m not a Republican nor naive.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Yeesh, trollz are already at 11 on the dial, it’s gonna get a LOT worse.

  • AJ Drew

    I am reduced to: me no likey. Either stay and fight or admit outright.

  • misterjack

    As a Minnesotan, I would vote for you, Al, again in the future.

    • Lars Littlefield

      If I were a Minnesotan I would too.

  • Uncle Mark

    Will shitcanning Franken make the GOP distance themselves from the Pussy-Grabber & Chief? Will they disown pedophile Moore? NO !! The accusations against Franken pale in comparison. Where’s the investigation? The Left always demands that we win the moral high ground, but we will always lose our wars in Congress…when we are so eager to cripple ourselves over questionable & unproven allegations. Even when we claim our moral victory at the end, the Right will never acknowledge it nor rise to its standards.

    • netxtown

      the dems can ride the moral high ground all they want – but we still have LAWS in this country that usually prevent someone from being executed based on he said/she said. And the Dems FAILED to defend our laws.

    • Boreal

      Welcome to Purity Purge 2017.

      • AJ Drew

        with the * after Purity, but there’s no * reference anywhere to be found.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Nancy Pelosi on republicans: “Impeachment is off the table”.
    Nancy Pelosi on Al Franken: “He should resign!”
    We are so boned.

    • Boreal

      She needs to resign.

      • Friday’s_cat

        Any House Democrats that voted no on Impeachment should be primaried.

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        I wish she’d at least retire. Sometimes people stay too long at the fair.

        • AJ Drew

          Pay again! “Just one more throw, I’ll win the dying goldfish!”

  • Pluto Animus

    If Paul Wellstone were alive today, he’d want to die.

    • JackNasty

      If Paul Wellstone were alive today, he’d still be a DOMA supporting Clintonista.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Lars Littlefield

      May the plantar warts on his feet eat through to his brain.

    • SoCalGal20

      Chuck isn’t that sad. He’s try to push through TEN of Trump’s judicial nominees through the Judiciary Committee today.

  • greenmanTN

    Franken says outright that some of the accusations against him are not true and that he remembers other events far differently than what he is being accused of. Upon the first accusation, from a pro-Trump birther and frequent guest on the Sean Hannity show, he immediately said he welcomed an investigation. (Notably that first accuser backed down immediately when an investigation was mentioned.) He SHOULD have had a chance to answer her and his other accusers rather than having to resign over unexamined statements.

    Even if you take his accusers at face value (and I straight up don’t believe the 1st and doubt the 2nd) the PUBLIC deserves to hear the exact nature of his alleged actions and the tenor of the accusers. Did he merely rest his hand on their buttock when having a photo taken in the middle of a state fair with their friends and family nearby or was it a full on grope? Did he REALLY say “I’m an entertainer so I deserve this” or some other, similar incredibly awkward and unlikely sounding statement to a staffer who remains anonymous?

    This is guilt by accusation, which is against the entire bedrock of our legal system and not just Al Franken deserved better, the public deserved better. The Dem Senators who called for his resignation are, so far as I can tell, more concerned with OPTICS than they are with truth and justice. He deserved the chance to defend himself and this was a travesty.

    • AJ Drew

      Agreed. Not to be too pithy, but … Stay and Fight or Admit Outright.

      Anything else is bs.

    • netxtown

      I noticed that not until 5 women Dems said he should resign did anyone else jump on the bandwagon. Now i have to wonder about the motives of any of the 5 – and the fucked optics from late to the party attendees.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Ya make a damn good point there Sparky.

    • Ross

      Amen.

      Amen

      Amen.

  • bkmn

    I hope that Gov. Dayton considers someone like Megan O’Hara for the position (the wife of former Mpls. mayor RT Rybak.) She is good, intelligent and well spoken.

  • Nathaniel

    This is unfair. I feel sorry for him, but what I’m worry about there’s some other senator with similar issues. In the light of today’s precedent that person will also resign. BUT what if that senator will be from purple/red state? We will give up a Senate seat because of morality?

    • coram nobis

      The Republicans won’t. I hear no calls for “Ducky Pajamas” Farenthold to resign, and they’re apt to have Roy Moore in the Senate, his past notwithstanding.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    The only positive I am able to see here is that at least this didn’t all come out deep into a presidential run for Franken.

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, just what I was thinking.

    • Ross

      Silly!

      If you run for President, and a bunch of accusations come out…YOU WIN!

      YOU WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        Not if you’re John Edwards or Gary Hart.

        • Ross

          You are talking about ancient times!

          Get with it, baby!

          The new hip thing is bragging about sexual abuse! AND WINNING!

    • leastyebejudged

      Now that it’s out of the way we actually have a decent potential candidate for 2020.

  • Pluto Animus

    Let’s all say it together, like good virtue-signaling ‘progressives’:

    Good riddance to a morally degenerate abuser of women!

    /s

    • leastyebejudged

      I can tell that you are an ignorant POS because you use idiotic know-nothing terms such as “virtue-signaling ‘progressives'”

      Do exercise your right to euthanasia.

      • Dazzer

        I didn’t know you were Belgian.

        Which part of Belgium are you from?

        (Or perhaps you’re Dutch or Swiss or from Oregon?)

  • Lars Littlefield

    Well, he’s officially toast. Just watched his resignation speech. Sorry to see him resign.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Boreal

      The person being appointed is a placeholder. We will lose that seat. Minn almost went for trump.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup but Democrats will still have that purity.

        • leastyebejudged

          Go join the child molester party, where you belong.

          • netxtown

            Purity. It’s so we cn say all of our toe and fingers are clean. Meanwhile, the rethugs are duggaring the crap out of the US.

            Politics is a dirty fucking game. You want your rights or you want purity?

          • leastyebejudged

            Well, if you were sincere you’d just go join the other party.

            There’s something to be said for differentiation. And Franken knows that.

          • netxtown

            I am sincere. But i won’t be joining the party of duggar.

            and fwiw – now is not the time to powder your pussy and feel all so better than.

          • Tread

            He doesn’t want either. He just wants to tell users here to go commit suicide.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            It’s about more than “rights”. It’s about healthcare, environment, class warfare, SS/Medicare, for god’s sake, they’ve even gone after even waiters’ tips. Not only can tips now be pooled and handled by management, management can use the money to pay other poorly-paid staff at management’s discretion.

      • leastyebejudged

        Maybe campaign in the states you want to carry next time eh

        • Tread

          Oh, you know, fuck off with your purity bullshit.

          • leastyebejudged

            Go join the child molester party, where you belong, douchenozzle.

          • Tread

            You’re a disgusting simulacrum of a human being. Wished suicide on anyone lately, you worthless scumbag?

      • Blake J Butler

        She’s normally together, but this i don’t agree with. A division is evident there still from last year. Some democrats voted for baby huey over Hillary. The key is now finding someone that can rally behind with excitement like there was for Franken when he ran. As well as the Lieutentant and governorship that will be opening up next year.

      • The election will be held in 2018 when Amy Klobuchar is also up for election. That means the Republicans will split their spending. People are also pissed at Trump and there is the possibility of small wave election. Though if the democrats don’t find a strong candidate it is possible that the ticket will be split.

        • netxtown

          “strong candidate” is the part the dumb bitch missed in her “not the only goddamned person”. Hell every person – except the felons – in Minnesota is eligible to be elected.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Horse trading: take out the “bitch” language and I’ll upvote this message, which I otherwise strongly approve of.

          • Dazzer

            I up-voted – but remove the “bitch” comment.

            (I hate it when a perfectly good insult used between gay men is wasted on straight people and women.)

          • netxtown

            word preserved!

    • netxtown

      seems the whole thing flew over her head like a cheap nightgown.

      • JeauxFan

        I’m totally stealing that.

        • netxtown

          I did. 🙂

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Stick a cork in it.

      • Blake J Butler

        To charlotte ? You mean

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Absolutely, I mean just that. Not you, hon.

          • Blake J Butler

            Ok I was wondering. Normally she’s better except this one issue she has been on the knee jerk reaction “he’s got to go” he’s got to go” before an investigation comes in which Franken agreed to.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Susan Sarandon? Is that you?

  • Robert Rhea

    Such Bullshit! Democrats eat their own and we lose a good man to allegations, While the GOP rallies and sends a pedophile to the Senate.

  • Cackalaquiano

    Now Republicans have no Democrat to point to to deflect their support of Moore and Trump. Expect that to change in the coming weeks. There WILL be a false accusation and an attempt to smear someone on our side.
    I’m not prone to conspiracy theory, but there’s nothing about US politics now to make me think otherwise.

    • Ninja0980

      They already tried with Richard Blumenthal.

    • Piernudo15

      I’m tired of taking the high road.
      Look at where it’s gotten us politically: on the losing end of almost everything.

    • JackNasty

      Al they need is an accusation. No evidence or actual crime is required for this sexual witch hunt. No due process is required. Some woman will screech, “Off with this Democrats head.” Kirsten Elizabeth Gillibrand and Patty Murray will join in the screeching, “Off with this Democrats head.”

      Republicans will laugh and laugh.

  • Jmdintpa

    Lets just save the trouble and put up the white flag now. Why bother? We have Democrats demanding their own resign while not screaming from the roof about the head pussy grabber in charge. The news media seems to be just as bored with it all. Due process is out the window it seems and the Republicans can really use that right we seem to just flush away. I am torn in that what is happening is good so that going forward maybe this will get better but we are also in the middle of a war for this country and we are purging some of our best fighters while the Dems tip toe around Trump. We see the attempted roll back of rights and the backlash from marriage equality and the womens march and they are just getting warmed up. We need every vote right now and after this is all over then we can hold these people accountable. This really isnt going to end well for our community or the country overall. History has shown us time and time again what happens to countries when people like Trump and Bannon and Sessions etc gain power. We are in for bad times ahead, especially our community.

    • netxtown

      And – I know I’m gonna get screamed at – we are enabling another huge round of this kind of he said/she said by not standing ground with statutes of limitation. We have to make it OK for the real victims to come forward without fear of retaliation. But to go the route we are going – we just said that it’s ok to hang back and wait for a group attack. Sorry, I don’t buy that shit. And gloria allred can go fuck herself.

  • leastyebejudged

    I’m not going to be upset about this, I watched the whole thing, how he handled himself. It was… Presidential.

    We finally have a decent potential candidate.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Beavis and Butthead are presidential compared to the piece of shit currently occupying the white house.

  • Gerry Fisher

    I listened to Franken’s whole speech, and it was quite good…he’s a good man. One adjustment we need to make immediately, IMO, is we must ditch “all women accusers should be believed, period” and replace it with “all women accusers must be taken seriously (followed by an investigation).” The idea that all people in a given situation should automatically be believed is insane and ignores what we know about the complexity of human behavior.

    • netxtown

      how about –

      all women accusers must come forward – without any fear of retaliation – to file their grievance – and have their day in a real court of law.

      • Gerry Fisher

        All I’d add is that we have to greatly lessen the chances of retaliation before women can be expected to come forward.

    • Gerry Fisher

      They used “you said all women should be believed” to beat Franken about the head and neck. It left him with virtually no room to move.

    • Ninja0980

      To me that is the biggest danger I’ve seen.
      It’s great that this issue is being taken seriously and victims believed but going too far in the other direction is going to bite us in the butt.
      I use a couple of the Clinton accusers as the best example of that.
      The fact they supported Trump and have said nothing while he continues to lie about his accusers raises a red flag for me.

      • bzrd

        Many also forget that Ken Starr did the never ending investigation of Clinton and found some accusers were not credible.
        80 million BIG ones people!
        Franken wanted a hearing, that was very important to find out who really believed their claim of his actions were as horrid as the Resident Nazi’s, Moore’s and other dregs hiding behind closed doors. He might just be clueless like so many men.

    • Ross

      A friend of mine was destroyed by a false allegation.

      I watched the whole thing unfold in horror.

    • Natty Enquirer

      The argument used to be, “What woman would come forward with such an accusation and subject herself to embarrassment and abuse unless it were true?” The tables have turned. Accusers are now applauded and gain immediate support. The disincentive does not apply as it did in the past.

  • j.martindale

    Franken says he plans to step down in weeks ahead. Good! That will take him past the Alabama election. If Moore is elected, he ought to say FU to the accusers. He has denied the anonymous attacks on his character. If the people don’t care about the pussy-grabber in chief and Roy Moore, then the Democrats shouldn’t be compelled to operate by a separate set of rules. He should follow the rules and have an ethics hearing before the Senate, and demand that Moore also be examined. Tit for tat. If the ethics committee finds him guilty, so be it. They can weigh the evidence. They should have to do the same with Moore, if he is elected. But stop with the business about guilty until proven innocent.

    • netxtown

      I’m hoping that is his plan!

      • billbear1961

        Yes!

  • Pip

    But they’re going to elect an accused child molester to the senate in AL.

    Dem is accused – No need to wait for any type of proof.
    Repub is accused – You need to slow down on your snap judgments and let the burden of proof be on the accusers.

    Got it.

  • Ninja0980
    • Lumpy Gaga

      Why isn’t her twitter handle @attentionslut?

  • Gustav2

    Gee, our local Ohio newspaper repeated all the allegations without any mention of Franken criticizing Trump or the Republican support for Moore.

    • -M-

      grr 😡

    • billbear1961

      I’m so sick of these goddamned lying FRAUDS posing as “journalists”!

      • Gustav2

        They are Republicans first.

        • billbear1961

          Which means they’re goddamned liars.

          The society that recognizes any claim to authority by people it KNOWS are LYING is LOST–it’s a society of FOOLS, of SERFS, with NO self-respect.

          • Gustav2

            Now a comment says it was just locker room talk and no one had come forward against trump.

            Yeah, only 16 accusers and now the site won’t let me back in to comment.

  • Lars Littlefield

    I have deep sympathy for Franken. When I was a grad student I taught an introduction to plants 101 class to undergraduates. One student, a ditsy sorority sister, earned a solid F, but that didn’t stop her from trying to get me to change it to a passing C by threatening me with sexual harassment. It was a painful process to go through an investigation and being grilled by the university administration, but I prevailed. Fortunately, I had plenty of faculty and colleagues more than happy to come to my defense by swearing I was (still am) a major committed homosexual activist. Although I was acquitted of any harassment the accusation still shows up on my official transcripts from that school.

    I’m of the strong opinion Franken should have held out for a full ethics investigation. If he didn’t rape or molest anyone, they should get the fuck over it.

  • Jeffg166

    If Donald Trump is a flawed vessel Al has some wiggle room. At least Al admits it. He may not be perfect but I can live with a sincere apology from him. I don’t think he would be doing it again.

  • Max_1
    • RepublicansRNotConservative

      Yet character seems to have no bearing on electability, at least among Republicans.

    • Ningsisa

      Trump in Oval Office shows that character doesn’t count as much as you think. HOW LONG will we have to put up with the ineptitude of the Democratic Party?

  • Ross

    I have been standing at the edge of a cliff since the horror of 11/8/16.

    But this Franken thing seems to be pushing me off the edge.

    To watch as so many Democrats have called for the man to be burned at the stake, and to read so many people here at JMG calling for the man to be burned at the stake, has sent me reeling.

    It is now clear to me:

    Republicans get away with any horror.

    But if you are a Democrat? And grab a butt? BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!

    I don’t think I can continue. I think I need to stop reading/watching ALL news and just hide. I did this on 11/5/2004, after it was clear that the election had been stolen and NOBODY cared. I woke only briefly to vote for some man with an odd name in 2008 and 2012. I came out of retirement when Hillary announced she was running. And I cannot imagine the THOUSANDS of hours I have spent on politics/news since.

    But me thinks no more.

    • AmeriCanadian

      You need to put yourself first. Good luck/bonne chance!

    • Tread

      I’m sorry, man. I’ve been feeling the same way as of late, but I have to focus my anger on something.

    • PeedeResistance

      Ross, as a JMG reader who finds your marvelous posts one of the main reasons to stay on the site, I beg you not to leave us. If you must take a hiatus, by all means do, but come back. Jean-Marc came back, as did Boreal (if I recall correctly) and several other posters. Your permanent departure would be nearly as bad as Franken’s resignation–for so many of the same reasons. As I posted elsewhere on this thread, I too am nauseated by the following:
      It’s amurrikkka! Double standards for all!
      IOKIYAR!
      But don’t let the asinine virtue-signalling lynch mob make you leave. We need you.

    • -M-

      You would be missed. Take a break if you need to, but I hope you’ll come back soon so we can help each other weather this.

    • billbear1961

      Stay to DEMAND they go after fascist predators with the same fervour they went after a colleague, a colleague they wouldn’t even let DEFEND himself!

      If they won’t, Ross, if we don’t hear them go after Trump and Moore and other right-wing predators with the INSISTENCE they went after a colleague, the useless COWARDS need to be HUNG OUT TO DRY!!

      • Kelly Lape

        I can’t stay billbear1961. I just can’t. I’ve defended the Democratic Party’s idiocy for decades. No more. This was the Rubicon that cannot be uncrossed. I cannot ever vote for any Democrat again. I’ve phoned both Sen. Murray’s and Sen. Cantwell’s office to take me off their Donor lists and asked the office to inform the Senators that their actions this week have driven me to vow never to vote for any Democrat again. For me it’s over. There is no point in having Democrats run the country when they’re in power the GOP blocks everything and the Democrats play by the rules. When the GOP has power (like now) the GOP rewrites the rules every single day to get their shit done. I should have left after the Democrats let them steal a Supreme Court Justice. Fucking cowards.

        • RepublicansRNotConservative

          I understand your frustration. I was a Republican until 1995 because a younger me thought it was a party of people that wanted government out of our lives, hence, LGBT citizens would be granted equal rights on a principal of getting government out of the way. Clearly I was delusional. As time has passed, I find myself voting straight Democrat tickets more often than not. Yet I have never joined the Democrat party. I consider them the lesser of two evils, but with a truly bi-polar political system, I’ll choose Democrat over Republican nearly 100% of the time. And I encourage you to keep the alternative in mind, more Trumps, Cruzs, Moores, & Gohmerts. Not voting against these authoritarian scumbags gives them more power. You don’t have to be a member of the party to cast a vote against a Republican scumbag.

          • Kelly Lape

            I understand and for decades have voted Democratic straight down the line. This is too much. Al Franken is the best thing to have happened to the Democratic Party (well him and Elizabeth Warren) this millennia. I’d honestly rather keep the GOP in power now then vote for a Democrat ever again. The Democratic Party doesn’t get to destroy a man and walk away clean. I’m sure the party will survive with all the new voters that come over from the GOP because the Democrats play by some imaginary set of rules. Rules that burn their strongest leaders without any validation of the claims. Oh a lot of women say… Nope I’m done. I’m looking forward to James O’Keefe hiring a woman to take down the next democrat. They deserve it.

        • billbear1961

          Yes, the theft of the Supreme Court seat was without precedent–they just LET them trample all over the Constitution. And the useless media didn’t give a goddamn, either! I still can’t get over that! But the American people did nothing, as well! That probably WAS a CLEAR sign that the Republic was dying. They had NO right to tell a sitting president: “Send us no nominee for this seat! We won’t allow it to be filled until AFTER the election.” (And even THEN they were threatening to block ALL nominees, indefinitely, if a Democrat won the presidency!) That act SHOULD have led to a constitutional CRISIS–it was clearly unconstitutional. The Constitution makes it crystal CLEAR how those seats are to be filled!

      • Ivan T. Errible

        More CAPS!!! Why won’t SOMEBODY use more CAPS!!
        Let’s ALL reinforce the stereotype about GAYS being unable to CONTROL their emotions!!!

    • Hank

      After last years STOLEN election, I took 6 months off from JMG and ALL News!!! Finally, I came back after my depression lifted…. the alcohol and drug binder did not hurt, of course. /s…. Take a break if you need to, but know, that WE will miss you and await your return, when you are ready!

    • ohbear1957

      Take care, Ross. You’ll be welcomed warmly if you choose to return. I’ll save you a seat…on the sofa or on my lap.

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  • billbear1961

    Dial it down, someone lectures us! We’d better hear YOU dial it UP against Trump and Moore, and against other Republicans who’ve used public money to settle harassment cases!

    I want to HEAR–nonstop until the goal is achieved–these courageous Democrats who couldn’t wait for the findings of an ethics inquiry for Franken demand TRUMP’S resignation! Are HIS accusers–who’ve gone PUBLIC–less believable than Franken’s: 3 highly questionable rightists and 3 who have remained totally anonymous?

    And where are the calls for MOORE to drop out of the Senate race? If he’s elected, these Democrats who demanded Al fall on his sword, better damned well DEMAND that Moore resign, and refuse to take NO for an answer! They’d better be prepared to shut Senate proceedings down if he refuses to resign!

    After hounding AL to resign before an inquiry could even take place, these Democrats better NOT fall silent in their DEMANDS that these REPUBLICAN bastards resign!!

    Dial it down? By GOD, we’d better hear you go LOUDLY and RELENTLESSLY after fascist predators after you forced your own collaegaue out, refusing to even allow him a chance to DEFEND himself!

    If we don’t hear you make the same demands on the ENEMIES of this REPUBLIC that you made on Franken, we’ll start another party, a party that knows how to oppose fascim and stand up for democracy!!

  • SoCalGal20

    I wish Franken didn’t have to resign and that the ethics investigation had been allowed to take its course but I also understand why he did. I do believe he’s a good man and I hope he will be a voice for good going forward.

    Having said that, I’m glad I’m driving to Las Vegas. The (partially) misplaced anger and ignorance from a lot of MEN is this thread is disheartening to say the least.

    See you on the flip side (assuming I survive the erive through the San Bernardino County and Cajon Pass).

  • Richard

    Franken should withdraw his resignation and remain in the senate. Let the people of Minn decide if he should keep his job. The Democrats are trying to show up the Republicans and the Republicans couldn’t care less. The Democrat circular firing squad at it again…no wonder Republicans beat them all the time.

  • Christopher

    Apologies if a similar comment was already made.

    It just dawned on me that Franken yielded the floor at the end of his speech. That means his digs at Trump and Moore are now part of the Senate record.

    Wonder what future historians, if we survive, will make of his comments?

    This thought kind of perked up my mood a little. 🙂

  • boobert

    Now hold EVERY senator and representative ( including the women) to the same standard , and go back to every action since their birth ! Someone really wanted him out of the senate. Scared?

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Why does Minnesota need a second female senator? Klobachur is fine, but I think she’s capable of working with a male.

  • I love dim sum

    Serves Franken right, he was a big shill for Hillary and spent a lot of energy bashing Bernie and progressives.

    It seems like all the men that are huge Hillary shills tend to be utter creeps to women. Hopefully they get Bill Maher next.

    • Kelly Lape

      You’re an awful person. May karma pass you by.

      • I love dim sum

        You are the one that needs a serious karmic reality check. Hillary and Franken were both pro invasion of Iraq, pro drone striking Yemen (90 percent of the casualties were innocent women and children), pro overthrowing the Libyan government (slavery is completely legal there now thanks to Hillary)……I can keep going.

        • Kelly Lape

          Did you go to school? Do you have any education at all? Good luck with that.

          • I love dim sum

            Apparently I do have more education than you, since I was aware that Franken and Hillary did the actions I described above, and you were completely ignorant of that. People like you make me proud I voted Green Party last year (and I’m going to do the same next year and 2020).

          • Kelly Lape

            Perfect. Way to go!

  • Robin Bailey

    This has been a hit-job from the very beginning, starting with right-wing radio host, LeeAnn Tweeden. USO shows for the troops are raw and raunchy. Tweeden, herself, was pretty “gropy” onstage. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05ba245742132f56a209bd0a2d4b29307858f2380904e5d67fda682330b27e66.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/846aa1b95a58531169e50dafe243c8b33ebc280d25195aec61f9288429eb9e51.png

    • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

      Yep. Those USO shows have traditionally been about objectifying women and creating a sexually charged atmosphere. That has always been part of it back to Bob Hopes’ days. That this woman was somehow scarred by Franken’s actions defies belief.

      • canoebum

        Exactly. They weren’t there to entertain a bunch of choir boys. Sexual innuendo is built into the whole gig. The bitch knew that when she took the job. But oh, how so convenient that she could dredge up a silly photo to destroy one of the most intelligent and progressive Senators in government. A hit job for sure. Bannon and the Russians are behind this travesty.

        • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

          I’m glad others see this. I mentioned it before and was blasted for slut shaming. If you google the woman’s name, you get a sea of sexual photos. Her stock-in-trade has been promoting her sexualized image. That is not to blame her for being touched or kissed against her will, but I just don’t believe that an unwanted pass is something that has scarred her psyche for years. I just don’t buy it.

          • canoebum

            I just wrote a scathing email to my Senator, Kirsten Gillibrand. I want to see her get a primary challenger in the next cycle. I used to support her, but disarming in the face of the enemy is just too much. I wonder who she thinks is going to ask the tough questions of Jeff Sessions next time he appears before the Senate for lying about his contacts with the Russians? Al Franken was also the vote that passed the ACA. Forcing him out was a very stupid thing to do.

    • peacfulseas inWA

      The photo that started the ball rolling was obviously staged and why haven’t we heard from other people who were on that flight. There were at the very least 2 others, the man to her left and the person who took the photo.

  • RepublicansRNotConservative

    I’m not defending Franken’s bad behavior and poor judgment; in fact, I’m very disappointed in him. I thought he was a very good Senator so to hear of this bad behavior really downgraded my impression of him. But, how many people in Congress would be just as guilty as Franken? And why is it that only Democrats take the high road these days? Frankly, the low road seems to lead to victory since Republicans are now routinely electing narcissistic, authoritarian, sex offenders.

  • Ningsisa

    This was not courageous on the part of those in the party who pressured him to resign. It’s more capitulation and hand-wringing from the capitulating, cowardly, hand-wringing party. We can all agree that what Sen. Franken did was wrong, but the demand that he resign (in lieu of other available punishments), without due process, is SELLING OUT and running away scared–which is what this damn party has been doing for decades.