Five Female Dem Senators: Al Franken Must Resign

Politico reports:

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) called for Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to resign in the wake of multiple sexual misconduct allegations against him. “While Senator Franken is entitled to have the Ethics Committee conclude its review, I believe it would be better for our country if he sent a clear message that any kind of mistreatment of women in our society isn’t acceptable by stepping aside to let someone else serve,” Gillibrand said in a Facebook post.

  • MikeBx2
  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    God dammed it, Al.

  • Achilles Tsakiridis

    He should resign when shit turd resigns ..

    • billbear1961

      It is TIME for the allegations against Trump–of a nature like what he brags about in that Access Hollywood tape–to be examined again!

      He should definitely have to appear in court to give a deposition in the Zervos defamation suit against him.

  • Kelly Lape

    I’m officially done with the Democratic Party. These bullshit allegations are being made to take down our power. Playing into this is unacceptable.

    Fuck America live with the GOP.

    • james1200

      Boy, these Russian ‘bots are getting really sophisticated.

      • Kelly Lape

        Go fuck yourself. Or better yet go suck Roy Moore’s and the rest of the GOP’s cocks.

        • james1200

          Dang, this is impressive! What kind of programming do you have? You seem almost life-like.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          You don’t know James very well if you think he is going to do THAT !

          • james1200

            Well, I can’t say I’ve **never** fucked myself.

            Oh, you probably meant the GOP cock thing…oops.

          • Kelly Lape

            I don’t know the blocked piece of shit at all. The mother fucker is an idiot and can go fuck himself.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I might block you, but right now, I consider you needed
            ….as a toilet.

          • Jay George

            Okay, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if all you are going to do is curse at people who disagree with you, you don’t have anything to add to the discussion.
            BLOCKED

        • romanhans

          I get that here too — so badly that I was shocked to see somebody I agreed with, Great folks here. Some not so great if you disagree.

    • Karl Dubhe 2
    • Ann Kah

      Not everything in life is politics, you know.

  • Jay George

    🙁 I guess at least he can go back to writing comedy. 🙁

  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    Let’s not forget: “Hours before the allegations against Sen. Al Franken became public Thursday, Trump ally Roger Stone seemed to know they were coming.

    A Twitter account linked to the former Trump adviser posted a quote from Stone in the early hours Thursday morning that suggested he expected allegations involving the Minnesota Democrat to go public.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roger-stone-appears-to-have-known-about-al-franken-allegations-hours-before-they-went-public/

    And the most recent allegation of an ATTEMPTED unwanted kiss also says that he said “I am entitled, because I am an entertainer”. Who speaks like that?

    • billbear1961

      Yes, I noticed that–it’s weird.

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        And she was a centerfold and conservative celebrity. In the case of Moore’s accusers, they were Republicans, not of the opposition.

        • billbear1961

          If all or most of these accusations can be questioned, why are so many of his colleagues so anxious for him to resign before a thorough investigation?

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            Don’t know. It may just be that our side is (sometimes) tries to do the right thing and avoid blatant levels of hypocrisy?

            Or maybe Roger Stone found a third party to anonymously contact them with new allegations?

          • unsavedheathen

            Democrats eat their own for sport.

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            Well in all fairness we do sell baby parts for fun and profit too!

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            That’s because they aren’t really of the left.

    • unsavedheathen
    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Franken sits on the senate cmmt invistigating russia and trump……

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        BINGO!

  • bkmn

    Exactly what Roger Stone wants.

  • Adam Stevens

    Why, Franken? Why?? Damn.

  • crewman

    I don’t think asking him to resign is wrong.

    On a different but related note, I am concerned about how we will effectively deal with politically motivated false accusals or distortions. We must all know those are coming, almost certainly from Republicans towards Democrats. History has taught us they accuse us of doing what they eventually do, and Roy Moore is already saying all the women accusing him are politically motivated and lying.

    • Treant

      That’s going to require very good reporting and in-depth inve…BWAHAHAHAHA!

      We’re going to bounce from accusation to accusation like chickens with our heads cut off. With luck, we’ll catch most of the rabbit jobs, but we won’t get all of them.

      • Ninja0980

        Mark my words..someone innocent is going to get drummed out of office at some point and we won’t find out until after the fact.

        • Treant

          Guaranteed. But barring interest in vetting the accusations, that’s going to happen.

          I’ve been advised that questioning the claimant is the equivalent of raping them because you’re making them relive their abuse and we need to simply believe them regardless.

          When you’re up against nuclear levels of stupid like that, shit is going to happen.

  • billbear1961

    Then there better be RELENTLESS pressure on Molester Moore to resign if he’s elected by two-faced degenerates in Alabama.

    NO goddamned double standards!

    • Kelly Lape

      It already is a double standard. Anonymous “he tried to kiss me” vs. molesting a 14 year old girl. Not the same in any way shape or form.

      When Franken is drummed out of the Democratic Party so am I. I will NEVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES vote for a Democrat after this. If we can’t stand up for our own we don’t deserve to run this piece of shit country.

      • romanhans

        Democrats keep taking the high road straight into the sewer. We’ll be able to say, “We stuck to our morals!” when Putin shows up for our homes.

        I don’t know why Dems can’t prioritize: Moore & Trump accusations and evidence are worse than Franken, so they get investigated first. In fact, Trump accusations and evidence are far worse than ANYBODY else, so investigations of others shut down until Trump is completely cleared.

        • Kelly Lape

          Trump can’t be cleared for that which he is guilty.

        • MooseMalloy

          Aren’t you DLC third-way neoliberals always whining about the perfect and the good and whatever? Naw, nevermind. Just keep root root rooting for the home team. Everyone knows nothing really affects you.

        • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

          sadly, it does not work like that.

      • Treant

        Sorry, kids, but grabby isn’t acceptable. Honestly, if that’s your standard for staying with the Dems? Goodbye, because I personally don’t want people who condone harassment in the party–or near my own ass, for that matter.

        We have standards. The Republicans don’t. Let’s keep our side to some level of quality, at least.

        • Kelly Lape

          You’re an idiot. “Grabby” an anonymous conservative says “he tried to kiss me” and you’re equating that with a fucking child molester. Fuck you too.

          • Treant

            It’s fortunate you jumped right to the ad hominem so I don’t have to point out that you don’t vote Democrat and are a total Bern Victim. Blocked for being useless, bye, fuck off, ho hard feelings and all that.

          • james1200
        • Jeffrey

          We have now foolishly lumped “his hand touched my butt at the golden globes” in with actual child molesters. Which is exactly what liberals do, and conservatives know this. Thus diluting very serious crimes. Liberals need to righteously out liberal each other. Meanwhile actual child molester will be elected to our senate.

          • MooseMalloy

            Well, it’s good you’ve at least stopped pretending to have standards. Just vote for whatever has a ‘d’ next to it’s name and slink back into your gated community.

          • Kelly Lape

            Just wanted to call you a fucking piece of shit before I block you. Oh yeah… go fuck yourself.

          • Will Parkinson

            Like the Republican standards where a child molester is better than a Democrat?

          • Jeffrey

            It’s not just gated, it’s guard gated. You can’t elitist shame me. You’ll have to try a lot harder.

          • Treant

            There’s a note of that, however…you’re now making the argument that touching somebody’s butt at the Golden Globes is acceptable behavior. It’s not.

            And it’s not like it’s a one-time thing here, either. I expect a basic level of composure and respect from Democratic politicians, and touching butts repeatedly does not meet that level.

            Franken should resign. Moore should never be elected. If elected, he should be ejected. And if we find recent allegations (and I hope we’re looking), he needs to be put on trial and, if/when found guilty, jailed in a place where sunlight has be piped in with fiber optic cable.

            There’s a big difference in those two sets of consequences.

          • unsavedheathen

            Yes. the difference is that the consequences for Moore would be just punishment for molesting multiple children and the consequences for Franken would be the end of a career over an obviously baseless partisan attack and the hysterical, overblown reaction of liberals. That’s the difference between the two sets of consequences.

          • Tawreos

            Aren’t you being a big softie, allowing Moore to ever see sunlight again. =)

          • MT YVR

            This one is filled with fire so I’mma up front say this and please listen. I agree with you, Treant.

            But.

            The up front consequences and “Calling for their head” EQUALLY at the top of the story makes it LOOK like the consequences for two different things are seen as the same.

            I agree. Grabass is not professional and should result in at the very fucking least some kind of disciplinary thing. Of course the problem here is we’re expecting this to be a preventative thing, but when it’s over the course of a career it becomes less “we can correct this” and more “systemically we’re at a turning point and YOUR way is no longer tolerated so… there’s the door.”

            But what makes THIS particular conversation dicey is that the framing of it comes down to : if anyone says, “Hey, let’s discuss that these are two things of completely different levels within the same field of abuse”? The conversation is then framed as “Either you think grabbing ass is wrong or you’re saying he should be allowed to.”

            Dude. No. And you know it.

            Should Franken, should anyone face consequences for abuse like this? Yes. Absolutely.

            Should Moore face different, harsher, consequences for rape? Yes. Absolutely.

            But the rhetoric here, in the media, in personal conversations is very much “Both need to be treated the same”.

            No. Both need to be treated. At all. THAT’S where the system is broken. That we’re used to letting all of it be treated as the same. Rape is no more than grabbing an ass. That’s the narrative of the one side of things. And now the other side is pulling out grabbing ass is rape.

            It’s an intentional, to my mind, fogging of the issue. It’s easier to have the Good vs the Evil when the lines are drawn like the Grand fucking Canyon through this.

            BOTH are wrong. BOTH need action. But they are not the same fucking thing and this incessant “nope, he doesn’t get a free pass, let’s look at the options for ‘nuke him from space’…” ? Not helping.

            And finally… I don’t think that’s what you said, Treant. But you came incredibly close to it. And frankly that is what I’m reacting to in these stories. It’s worrisome how much the left is starting to lean on that talking point without examining it.

            Again. I don’t think that you’re doing that but you’re also the only one here I consider I interact with enough to say this to without being eaten alive.

          • Treant

            I’m very torn on this issue. I’m disinclined to let grab ass go, of course. Not that I attach the same amount of culpability or punishment to Franken as, to, say, Moore, of course.

            I don’t consider leaving the Senate to be a nuclear option. It’s a job. One he’s pretty good at, but…it’s hard to say you represent all your constituents when you have either a history of grabbing their asses or really, really inappropriate humor with people who haven’t consented to being the butt (so to speak) of the joke.

            I’ll chew on it but, for me, this falls over the ethical line. Not by a vast amount, but it’s over.

            (You’re also one of the few I would have returned to this thread for, I should add!)

          • MT YVR

            Oh, I am in Nooooooo way saying Franken shouldn’t face consequences. Once: you get called out. Twice, if the second time is after being called out: you’re fired.

            But that metric doesn’t work here. This means the hypothetical he here needs to be gone. He’s done it multiple times so it’s less “he was a twit” and more “he’s completely unaware and doesn’t care to be aware that he’s a fucking asshole”.

            So yeah. I absolutely think there needs to be an inquiry. Because I want it to not be so – a typical thing which I’m trying to see past and not blind myself with the typical “But he’s a nice guy” bullshit? Because I do believe in fair process? I think the wiggle room I have on this is a hearing. And go, as in fired.

            Honestly? Away from ethics points and to gut? More than two come forward in the present climate? I tend to side with “ok, dude, you did it… how’re you going to handle it?” So I definitely fall on the side of this is a career ender.

            But.

            I worry that a] we’re only talking about ending careers for both rape and this kind of abuse, b] we’re also not STOPPING at he should leave but now he’s an irredeemable human (which is the first step to dehumanizing and then “fuck him, his family, his accomplishments… erase any record of him and undo any good he did”) and c] we’re drawing a false comparison of Moore to Franken. Moore did not do any less than attempt – and perhaps actually – sexually assault people. Franken was sexually inappropriate. If firing is the lowest level of response for the least of the two, good. But not the only response for the bigger crime.

            If you see what I mean.

            Also, darlin, I’m glad you did. 😉 Come back. Thank you.

          • bzrd

            I feel it’s very important to have a hearing before Franken leaves, if he needs to. I want to hear what the women have to say, did they feel raped when his hand was on their bum, were they shocked, did they feel sick to their stomach, did they have nightmares for months, were they intimidated, did they not have a voice to say, “Gee, Senator, get your hand off my butt.” There is a long line of white melding into grey then black where the Resident Nazi resides with his “grab-um by the pussy to rape, and spying on naked teenagers in the Miss USA Teen thingy, and other sordid sex crimes. I don’t want this lumped with him or Moore who was chasing after 14 year old girls; 14 year old girls are girls not women.

            After listening to an NPR interview with a woman who did a study about cat-calling, it was interesting to find out how many men are clueless about their behavior, Franken may be one. He apologized and said he wanted a hearing right off the bat. He didn’t pretend nothing happened.

            The resident Nazi and Moore are beyond redemption and continue to lie; I can’t lump Franken in with them, ever. This does not dismiss his crude behavior but I want him to stay if the Resident Nazi is not leaving for worse behavior.

          • PeedeResistance

            Gillibrand has turned into our very own little Steinbot, and where are all these female Senators’ calls for the resignations/withdrawals of Moore, dRUMPf, and the rest of the endless list of Rethug sexual predators? You are exactly right about the discussion, the framing of it, and everything else you say here. This circular firing squad MUST CEASE!

          • Robert K Wright

            But isn’t there inherently a difference in saying one should never be elected, and saying one should resign due to multiple allegations of groping? It isn’t at all a call for similar action against the accused. Any HR department would have already fired Franken. Why should any Senator or Congressperson be allowed to continue their jobs when we would not? It isn’t about elevating the accusations to the same level, but it is about holding everyone to the same standard of behavior. Sexual misconduct of any type is grounds for dismissal. We don’t allow gropers, and we definitely don’t allow molestors. They aren’t equally egregious, but they are both unacceptable. That’s how I see what Treant was writing, probably because I see it the same way.

          • MT YVR

            First, I love when things start with “but” as if I didn’t make some of the exact points you did.

            It’s not that reasoned people are saying “don’t elect” and “firing” are the same things. It’s that the rhetoric, the language used to discuss Moore and his actions are almost indistinguishable from the language used to discuss Franken and his actions.

            It’s not enough that Franken be fired, it’s that he must be treated as an equal in act and intent as Moore. And that now, increasingly, I read discussions – which this is certainly one of – in which I can see the next step. This should invalidate Franken’s work.

            So while I know that some people, obviously yourself included, don’t INTEND to elevate things to the same level the truth, for me, is that y’all are being lazy as fuck with language and not allowing anyone to veer off.

            Look. I said they both need to have reactions and both need to be clear, concise and without question. And yet… you’re here to tell me I’m wrong about them being talked about as if they’re the same act, deserving of the same punishments and same heaping of social scorn.

            WE ALL AGREE. Franken, someone who does what he does deserves not to have a job that allows him to continue to do this.

            That has not been the issue.

            But in almost every reply to this thread people NEED to reiterate that “This is the punishment he should get”. It’s not the point, we all agree on that and constantly bringing it up is beside the point.

            It’s that past that we continue, and the media continue to discuss his worth in the same terms we do Moore.

            I honestly don’t know how much more blunt I can make my point or how more I can illustrate it. Honestly.

            Increasingly in public discourse I’m seeing people rely on “oh, but you know what I mean” as a kneejerk defence. And it bugs the fuck out of me. No. Not everyone does. Reading as written isn’t helpful when we’re dealing with issues like this.

            Presently it seems to be a blindingly easy step we’re all halfway to making to stop critical thinking, to stop questioning what comes in over the media and if the act described is awful- and for ANY given value of awful- we condemn the person/situation. No questions, nothing.

            THAT stance I’m often told is apologist and unfair to accusers and…

            Not once did I say I don’t support firing for abuse and assault. Nor stricter enforcements of law that puts shits like Moore in jail. But we can’t have that conversation because people are being far too self righteous, frankly, in their convictions of Right and Wrong.

            Baseline for me? I don’t think I’m god. A NYTimes article is not the definitive source of information about an incident and I’m not going to read that and know I should now hate a person for their acts. Which… that it’s plausible to react with hate to a crime rather than “remove, protect, deal”… no we hate? RIGHT THERE. That. Is a problem.

            That we stopped talking, that we end up shouting, that we either are on one side or the other, not even minor variances or desires to ask questions… that’s terrifying to me.

            Because I don’t always know what happened to other people and I sure as shit, being a fucking gay man with HIV who survived the shit I have and KNOW what this is like to be levelled at ME, do NOT want to be a moral authority on everything that happens in the world, everywhere based on … what? Conversation? What someone says to me? To class all crimes as universal? If you do wrong we should just not ask “but in what context” to determine the appropriate response?

            That we don’t treat a man who steals to feed a starving child as a man who steals for materialism, that used to be a thing. That we could have discussions and say Franken is a shit and needs to go, but Moore is so incredibly different that why in hell are they in the same conversation? We continue to pair them. And on some level that’s creating a vision of equivalency.

          • John30013

            “Any HR department would have already fired Franken.”

            But not without a thorough investigation first.

            Note: as I type this, NPR just reported that Franken is going to resign tomorrow.

          • JD

            He’s not actually saying it’s acceptable. He’s saying that an inappropriate Grade 10 boy in a Grade 10 boy kinda business failing to grow up despite income depending on Grade 10 boy behaviour is not the same thing as pedophilia.

          • Jeffrey

            No, I’m arguing that the touching is inappropriate but should not be lumped in with rape.

          • picalane

            Well aren’t you special, Mr. don’t grab my butt. Aren’t you one of a few on this blog who relentlessly throws shit on anyone who supported Bernie, because they demanded perfect. Quit acting like the gatekeeper for the Democratic Party. Perhaps these five Senators could focus more on resisting the current regime of evil, instead of plucking away at our own Senators. Patty Murray taking $400,000 from Big Pharma might be a good place to start.

          • Treant

            Ad hominem! Also, Bernie sews socks in Congress! Block, fuck off, bye!

          • Helen Damnation™

            Taking a contribution from anyone, including Big Business, doesn’t necessarily equate with always voting in favor of the donor. See Hillary Clinton.

          • picalane

            I believe strongly in, “don’t bite the hand that feeds you.”

          • Richard

            “Moore
            should never be elected” ?? Tell that to the Red State
            Trump/Bannon loving voters. You can bet if Moore gets to the senate
            (pretty certain he will) all will be forgiven and forgotten by hiis fellow Republicans….they would never
            think of ejecting him after those good voters of Ala put him
            there. With Republicans it’s all about winning…….. Having an ‘accused’ pedophile seated, while an ‘accused’ ass grabber is ejected seems to me to be a bit skewed. Isn’t Franken entitled to his day in court?

          • Treant

            The day the Democrats become the party of no ethics is the the day I walk. Tomorrow could be that day…but it ain’t likely.

            The arguments here are six on one, 30 million on the other. And frankly, in a safe Dem seat with a Dem governor, severely overblowing the whole issue.

            And no, political loss doesn’t require a court loss. Note an earlier discussion where, in Texas government, one is dismissed upon accusation, not proof.

          • Helen Damnation™

            I suggest that Trump will pardon Molester Moore, if needed. There is no doubt in my mind, especially since Molester hasn’t (so far) been connected to Russia.

        • JackFknTwist

          Perhaps those high standards should not be the ‘immaculate conception’ !!

          • Treant

            Of course not. But ass grabbing is hardly the “immaculate conception,” I think you’ll concur. Learning to keep your hands to yourself is a Kindergarten level skill.

          • JackFknTwist

            ‘Ass grabbing’ is usually dealt with by a retaliatory punch ! – not by resorting to the Spanish Inquisition .

          • Treant

            Harassment should be answered by assault?

            Treant…out.

          • JackFknTwist

            No, a retaliatory punch to an assault is self defence.
            Jack not out.

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            But punching your boss, without anyone witnessing his assault, is likely to see your ass being chucked in prison for a few months/years depending…

          • JackFknTwist

            I disagree. Do you have an Employment Appeals Tribunal for Unfair Dismissals in the USA ?
            – it is a statutory labour procedure for defending against being dismissed and where an aggrieved party can seek redress if fired in those circumstances.

          • Dazzer

            In the US they can fire you far more easily.

            I agree with you – but the US is an entirely different country with an entirely different culture.

            Treant (who I love dearly) above was talking about the Golden Globes and someone touching your bum.

            I’ve ben to enough entertainment awards ceremonies in my time and been inappropriately touched/groped/frenched. The appropriate response is to gently disentangle oneself or physically remove the person from your body and make it clear you’re not interested.

            (I’m aware that I’m only talking about a specific instance of the entertainment industry, but people would think I was weird if I didn’t know how to disentangle myself from those situations.)

          • JackFknTwist

            Well I have certainly never been at ‘entertainment awards’ or any other awards. I come from a much more restrained culture.

            But I’m just not comfortable with all of the banter or flirting or good humoured playfullness becoming indictable. Sure people go too far, whether drunk or not.
            But the lines between an unwanted flirt and an assault are getting blurred and we are not the better for that.

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            When you work at minimum wage losing your job is worse than some other things.

            What you suggest takes time, and if you’re not living in a place where you can lose your job and get another one without any references…

          • JackFknTwist

            You know, I o agree with you.

            But there has to be a sense on the punishment fitting the crime.
            There’s no sense of that with Al Franken.

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            It really is too early, but I think he’s gone.

            pity.

          • Matt G, Rochester

            We also have “At Will Employment”, meaning you can be fired for any reason, cause or not. It becomes the responsibility of the fired employee to prove that the firing was illegal.

          • JackFknTwist

            Yes you do !
            Such a system is incompatible with the EU’s more social legislation for the protection of workers.
            But that is just one of the differences in our stems.

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            Cry me a river.

        • JDS

          Sorry Kid, but JFK and others did the grabby thing and were Democrats.
          We are entering treacherous times when everybody is going to be accused of being handsy.

        • Anonymous complaints aren’t going to cut it when we know there is a right-wing propaganda machine that manufactures such and spreads them.

        • FAEN

          When they go low we go high-I’d like to think that works.

          • Christopher Smith

            No. When we go high, they go lower. That’s how it works.

        • Helen Damnation™

          You’re equating quality with “taking the high road”? The high road isn’t taking us anywhere, it seems.

          • Treant

            No, but if that’s what you got out of the above, I’m sorry, I’m not being nearly clear enough.

        • pablo

          Franken’s is not a safe Senate seat. His predecessor was a right wing Republican. If that seat ends up in GOP hands you can thank Kristin Gillibrand.

      • billbear1961

        Yes, what Moore is accused of–hell, IS guilty of–is much worse.

        If many or all of the accusations against Franken are open to serious doubt, I don’t understand why so many of his colleagues are anxious for him to resign before the ethics inquiry.

        • Kelly Lape

          Because they’re cowards.

          • Ore Carmi

            And idiots?

          • Kelly Lape

            Don’t denigrate idiots. They deserve better than to be associated with the Democratic Party.

      • FAEN

        I understand your frustration and rage but protest voting or not voting is pointless IMHO. It’s what got us BLOTUS.

        • Matt G, Rochester

          No, constantly having to choose the lesser of two evils has gotten us to this point. It’s time for a major change, if the Democratic party won’t do it, then a third party might. After all, the Whigs thought they were impervious to the changing winds of politics. And they were completely replaced by the Republicans in less than 30 years.

          • FAEN

            A third party won’t. All it will do is split the electorate and hand the reigns of power to a political party far worse than the Dems.

      • GeneInSJ

        I dropped out at the beginning of this year. I have no regrets.

      • Robert K Wright

        Sorry, but doing the right thing is doing the right thing. Both Conyers and Franken will be replaced by Democrats, so we win and we win. And it matters HOW we win. You can’t complain about their issues if you ignore your own. And at this point it’s not “anonymous” accusations against Franken, most have been on the record and public. And Conyers settled one suit that we know of and paid it with OUR money. We can’t complain about that creepy Republican (Farenthold.sp) that paid his suit out of Congressional funds if you’re willing to ignore Conyers. YOU might want to fight as dirty as they do, but that just means you leave no option for the voters to pick the better party. If we don’t do the right thing because they don’t do the right thing, then we have nothing to offer. Yes, we may be for better policy, but that isn’t going to attract new voters to our Party, it’s only going to drive them to a third.

        • Kelly Lape

          You’re engaging in false equivalency. Conyers is NOT Franken. There are ZERO credible allegations against Franken that amount to anything comparable to Sexual Assault – You are comparing Franken to a Child Molester (Roy Moore) and a man with documented history (Conyers).

          Throwing Franken out with the Bathwater is stupid and bullshit.

          • Robert K Wright

            How many women have to claim they felt like they were groped does it take? Why do you think none of his accusers are credible? Why are his accusers not credible, but other peoples are? At this point Franken also has a “documented history”. Claims from women over decades and claims while he was in office. I like Franken, have been a fan and a supporter over the years. But groping women isn’t appropriate. It just isn’t. And I do understand the differences in the severity of the accusations against each man, but it doesn’t excuse boorish behavior. At all.

          • Kelly Lape

            “Groping” – he touched my ass for seconds while posing for pictures. Fuck ’em – I don’t buy it as any form of harassment or intimidation or any other sexual… blah blah blah.

          • Robert K Wright

            Yeah, the same argument other people are using…” I don’t believe them”….

          • Kelly Lape

            I should believe what?
            “I don’t know him. I met him for a photo at a fair. I posed with him in front of my husband who took the picture. He touched my butt for a second or five. My husband didn’t notice. I didn’t say anything then. I’m saying it now.”

            – You think this is sexual harassment? If this is the standard then every woman in the future is truly fucked because it devalues and denigrates actual harm by creating a standard so low that claims of sexual harassment will be met with a shrug of so-what he touched your butt.

            When we have this as a standard there is nothing beneath the claim.

    • PickyPecker
      • billbear1961

        Hello, sweetie!

        XO

    • Lawerence Collins
      • billbear1961

        Revolting!

    • Kelly Lape

      Expecting that is a fantasy. The GOP is back to supporting him for election. What fantasy land would we have to live in to expect them to then expel him?

    • another_steve

      This expanding Franken story is a godsend for Moore.

      “Oh so what,” Republican Alabamians will say.

      “They all do it.”

      • billbear1961

        Then they better ALL resign.

      • romanhans

        And we reply, “If you think a guy with accusations of harassment by adult women — uninvestigated and some that seem tied to questionable Republican groups — is the same as a guy who was banned from a mall for touching teens, then you deserve the pervert you elect.”

        • John30013

          Unfortunately (and by design), GOP voters aren’t making that distinction (either because they’re too ignorant to discern it, or because they’ve been conditioned to discount it).

        • Ore Carmi

          But the rest of us don’t deserve their pervert.

    • GayOldLady

      Moore has to go, as does the GOP Congressman accused of sexually assaulting an aide. As does Trump. We can’t have sexual predators of any race, color or creed in the halls of power.

      • netxtown

        It ain’t gonna be any fun when this all starts to blowback. There won’t be any female staff in any office of an elected male. Fear will rule the roost.

        • GayOldLady

          That’s a sad analysis because what it says is one of two things.
          1. Men don’t trust themselves with women around. The Mike Pence phenomena.
          or
          2. Men think women will make up stories to incriminate them.

          Either is a sad commentary because men have held the reins of power exclusively and because women are basically without collective power it has allowed the current scenario of powerful men or stupid men abusing women to continue. If/when women step forward the threat of being sent back to the kitchen or the Steno Pool is employed. Surely men are stronger than that!

          • netxtown

            Most men are stronger than that. But…and this is the pisser – it only takes one false accusation to bring a good man down.

            Good men who want to protect themselves and their families will have to weigh if the risk is worth it. (It sucks that ‘risk’ is even part of the conversation!)

            That is the other side of the blade.

          • GayOldLady

            “it only takes one false accusation to bring a good man down.”

            And it only takes not being believed and called a liar to bring a good woman down. Why would a woman make a false accusation against a man, especially a powerful man? Most women aren’t in the business of throwing out false accusations, if that was the case then women wouldn’t have been holding these stories back for so long. The contrary is true, women usually do not tell for fear of not being believed, which is exactly why these women have not come forward. Women fear losing their jobs, even if they are believed or of never being able to get another decent job. This isn’t one woman, this is 7 women. Al didn’t just play a prank, he groped, forced a kiss or attempted to force a kiss. Thrust his tongue down the woman’s throat that he forced into rehearsal. He cupped a woman’s breast, and groped another woman’s butt. That’s not an accident. True this isn’t in the category of Trump, Moore or Cosby, but it is none the less, sexual misconduct. This is difficult for me too because I’ve been a big fan and supporter of Franken, but it is what it is.

            As for how the GOP reacts to sexual misconduct and how the Dems react to it I believe, If we have to become them, to beat them, we are them.

          • netxtown

            It is truly a sad state of affairs when either gender is forced – by external circumstances – to remain quiet. Most men will not come forward as they don’t want to be perceived as un-manly, or a wimp, and – in all probability – any accusation would be regarded as an indifference to working for a woman. It’s really fucked up for both sides – albeit women have been getting the short end of the stick.

            But where do we go from here? There isn’t much that can be done to change the past. So, how do we break down these barriers to exposing sexual assault – be they male or female? Just a quick look at our divorce courts will show even more sharp edges that cut deeply.

            I don’t think there is a solid working answer. HR departments will mandate training, and even beef up the repercussions…AND will initiate protocols to protect the upper eschelon from bad PR and lawsuits.

            The shit is definitely hitting the fan – but it seems not much thought has been given to the resulting splatter.

          • Christopher Smith

            But, GOL. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029934978
            This is lots of anonymous accusations (really? the ultimate in spineless, and the best way to turn #MeToo into a laughingstock instantly), from partisan women who have everything to gain from said accusations and whose political party lives for obscenely dirty tricks when not telling outright lies. Stone even let the cat out of the bag early on this. Their stories are full of holes, inconsistencies, and dubious details (‘entertainer?’ No, that’s what dRUMPf would say, not Franken. The fine hand of Rethuggery slipped a bit there)–and Franken is being lumped with vastly worse offenders. The ritual circular firing squad execution of Franken serves NO purpose but to embolden Rethugs in their similar attempts on every powerful, effective Democrat–and there will be many, many more. This is not a victory for feminism, for women, or for justice; this is a cheap, sensational character assassination/political hit job, very likely at least partly fictional, and it is a victory only for the fascists who hate and despise all women.

          • JD

            GOL, so often so wise. For feminists like this guy, I see this as an issue of power–and you’re right, that has been patriarchal such that abuse of power is attributed to men as a “man thing”. My experience (more female bosses than men over the years and a couple of years in a small school where I was the only boy) is that there is plenty of abuse to go ’round.

            One boss started every day with staff lined up in chairs and one by one she grilled us on our sex lives. It was uncomfortable, weird, and the price of employment. Again, I was the only man, and I doubt my female colleagues saw this as abuse–just an inappropriate eccentricity of a boss no one liked. (lots more to her story.) But if it was a man, it would have been recognized for what it was: abuse of power.

          • GayOldLady

            There’s no doubt, what you were exposed to was abuse of power and women are as capable of it as men. I spent most of my career in an environment with more men that women. Most of my work relationships were good. I met a few guys with happy hands, but just a “keep your hands off of me” was enough. I had good bosses and bad bosses. I only had 2 female bosses in my 40 years of working. One was brilliant a great boss, but aloof and the other was terrible and abused her power to the hilt, especially against female employees. Her behavior always reminded me of growing up in Catholic schools how the nuns would treat the boys misbehavior as natural and girls misbehavior as disgraceful. I’ve said often and as the mother of 3 daughters and 1 son, that women/mothers/teachers perpetuate a lot of the misbehavior of young boys by excusing it as “boys will be boys” “hormonal”, “etc”. Women raise men and we’ve been co-opted into teaching and propagating patriarchal standards. We need to change and to hold our children to the same standards of behavior.

            I had several male bosses that were power maniacs, but the best, most compassionate, knowledgeable and most productive boss I ever had was a man. He was also a mentor to me. I was lucky in my career that I had one female mentor who was my teacher/co-worker and one male mentor. Both lifted me up and helped me to find my way in the business world. I also had one boss, very powerful politically, who sexually assaulted me when I was in my 20’s. As you might expect I didn’t report him because he literally told me “nobody will believe you” and he was right. I told an uncle about the assault after he noticed bruises and scratches on my arm. My uncle confronted him on the street near where I worked and told him if he ever touched me again, he would kill him. I come from a bit of a shady Sicilian family, so it wasn’t an idle threat. I found out many years later that I wasn’t his only victim. He’s deceased now, but I often wonder how many women he assaulted in his life. I don’t think men or women who behave like that stop that behavior unless they’re faced with a consequence. To my knowledge he never faced a consequence.

          • Matt G, Rochester

            Not just women make up stories. As many Gay men can attest, false accusations can be made by men as well. Innocent until proven guilty vs. the court of public opinion.

          • GayOldLady

            I respect your right to believe Franken is innocent, but for me deciding not to believe 8 women would require the suspension of common sense.

            https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/i-believe-frankens-accusers-because-he-groped-me-too/547691/

    • netxtown

      Did the five demand Trump step aside?

      • Lawerence Collins

        Please…Diane Feinstein said in an interview recently that she thinks Trumpf could be a good leader.
        If only he could control his tweeting.

    • Both sides need to get rid of all these creeps. This shouldn’t be a partisan issue.

    • Adam Schmidt

      I agree with ya BillBear. That women are standing up and naming their abusers is important and I suspect we’ve got a long way to go yet. And we’re going to find out that some of “ours” are among the ones named.

      But principles matter most when it’s hard. For us, it’s hard to let Franken go because he’s been particularly effective but we know it’s the right thing to do. For the GOP it’s hard to give up a seat in the Senate and they’re failing their principles because they’re supporting him despite his being an accused (with good evidence) child molester. They’re giving up their principles for expediency, I’m hoping we’re better than them.

    • FAEN

      Honey Bear-the GOP live on hypocrisy. Shameless hypocrisy and they get away with it because to their base this behavior is a feature not a bug.

  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    The other side is attempting to equate alleged sexual assault of a 14 year old girl with the alleged ass grabbing of an adult.

    Yes, ass grabbing is assault, is wrong, and there should be consequences, but on the right everything is black and white with zero nuance or sense of proportionality. (And BTW, I’m glad Conyers is stepping down and should have done so years ago).

    • As I learned from the Clinton years, the Republicans don’t give a damn. All this is to them is a bludgeon. Adultery, sexual assault, pedophilia, prostitution it’s all the same thing, something to use against Democrats.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Perhaps Gov. Dayton could replace him with Keith Ellison. That would cause Roy Moore’s head to explode.

    • Tawreos

      I’d pay to see that.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • james1200

      They’re doing this because they don’t want to be called hypocrites but Jesus!, isn’t there degrees of harrassment anymore? Roy Moore and Donald Trump actually sexually assaulted women (including underage women) but an ass grab is what requires you to resign? We need to start recognizing that there are degrees to this and what Franken did isn’t on the same level as an actual rapist.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok
        • Karl Dubhe 2

          Should be $ signs, not stars. 🙂

      • Jonathan Smith

        “degree’s of harassment” ?
        no. not really.
        if you take your job as the be all grab all of life, you PROBABLY do not deserve it.

        • james1200

          So Franken grabbing a woman’s ass (which makes him a pig) is the same as rape. Ok, got it.

          • Jonathan Smith

            has anyone ever grabbed your ass?
            i’m NOT saying it’s rape,
            but when my BOSS who can fire me, and keep me from getting another job does it?
            he’s grabbing my ass from a place of power i can NOT combat, except from the courts.
            do not get me wrong, i LOVE Franken, hate Moore and dRumph, but he needs to get ahead of this, quickly, or resign.

          • BobSF_94117

            No one who works for Franken has accused him of anything. In fact, quite the opposite.

          • Dazzer

            All the women who work or who have worked with him have been vocally supportive of him.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Once upon a time, when I was much younger and not so Lumpy, I was an overnight houseguest of someone who owned the apartment building I was packed up and ready to move into. When, in the middle of the night, he got on top of me until he finished, there wasn’t much for me to do or say.

            It was not invited or welcome, but I wasn’t about to live on the street. And I certainly wouldn’t have thrown the US Senate out of whack over it.

          • Jay George

            I am so sorry and I know that doesn’t help… but I am.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            There’s nothing to be sorry about. I’ve had worse dates.

    • Kelly Lape

      She’s a piece of shit coward.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        LOL it’s time you fuck off now

        • james1200

          She’s a program, this is all she has to do all day. Maybe a JMG reader who’s also a hacker can reprogram her to do something useful, like inform us when celebrity videos go up on Pornhub.

    • Statistics Palin

      Go fuck yourself, Kamala. He’s entitled to due pricess. Let the ethics committee do its work.

    • BobSF_94117

      Well, the knee-jerk panderer has chimed in.

  • MooseMalloy

    Why shouldn’t democrats be any more loathsome than republicans?

  • Jay George

    He’s one of the few who actually sack up and confronts the scum head on. I hate this so much. He wasn’t a rapist or molester afaik, he was just being an asshole. The allegations I know about aren’t as severe as the ones against trump and Moore. I have conflicted feelings about this. Meanwhile republicans circle the wagons around their evil doers and keep them in power while dems get busy pitching everybody out the door. This is so fucked up.

    • Tawreos

      They went after him because he does confront them head on.

      • Jay George

        I believe that as well. This is payback because Franken was mean to little Jeffy.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Coincidence!!

      • CanuckDon

        He’s the Dem pitbull. You can tell that Republicans are a bit shaky when they have to confront his questioning. It’s what many on the Left need to compete with the blatantly, uncaring Right.

  • TimCA

    I hate to be all political about this. Sexual harassment is a serious matter but who would Democratic Minnesota governor Mark Dayton appoint to fill Franken’s seat? I don’t follow Minnesota state politics. Anyone care to speculate? I assume whoever is appointed would fill out the remainder of Franken’s term which ends in 2020, correct?

    • MooseMalloy

      Dayton’s a good little 1%er. He’ll do as he’s told.

  • Jonathan Smith

    I’m just burned out.
    everybody resign.

  • boobert

    So now any accusation means he’s guilty ? Sorry, I don’t buy it. A one time pic at a state fair proves nothing.

    • Jonathan Smith

      and how do we feel about Roy Moore? or dRumph?
      they are just “accusations”
      just because we like him, does not make him immune.
      you sexually harassed? you so NOT belong in a place of power.

      • boobert

        Oh come on, a random woman standing besides him at a big public event claims he put his hand on her ass. Some of the accusations are just plain silly. Let the ethics committee do their job . And Leeann was much worse with her behavior.

    • Treant

      True, and correct. But now we’re getting into the range (six) where optics and politics actually matter.

      Besides, even completely discarding the first two, which I’m completely comfortable doing, four accusations that look viable is about two too many.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    He cannot survive this. Go now before the damage gets any worse. The Democratic governor will appoint a Democratic replacement.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      But that replacement would only serve until the 2018 election, when he or she will lose to a Republican.

    • JCF

      Sadly, I think you’re right.

  • Do Something Nice

    I would like Franken to address this frankly and honestly. IF this is a fake news smear campaign, we need to hear that it is now. If it is the truth, Fanken needs to listen to his colleagues and resign.

    • Kelly Lape

      True? That he tried to kiss some anonymous coward? How do we know she even exists? Politico is a conservative rag with ZERO credibility.

      • Do Something Nice

        Again, we need to hear from Franken.

  • HZ81

    Well, that’s it. The right-wing claim another scalp with the help of Democrats, in this case, 5.

  • Ninja0980

    I believe the point some folks are making is that Franken and Conyers will both be gone soon while Trump, Moore and Farenthold remain on the Republican side.
    And yet, when all is said and done, Republicans will still be viewed as having the moral high ground while Democrats get nothing for doing the right thing but the both sides crap from the media etc.

    • Jay George

      This^

    • Treant

      That’s quite possibly true…but I don’t meander around doing the Right Thing because the optics are good or people are going to think I have the moral high ground. As I’ve abundantly demonstrated, what people think doesn’t much concern me personally.

      You do the right thing because it’s the right thing. It’s not necessarily the path that gives you The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything, but it’s nice when it is.

    • Tawreos

      GOP voters have no sense of object permanence when it comes to the scandals on their own side.

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    • another_steve

      The Republican Party has been totally hijacked by the American theofascist movement – the leaders of which are the subjects of many of Joe’s blog posts. The hijacking began with the Nixon years and has reached completion with the Trump Presidency.

      The theofascists have a built-in excuse for forgiving their own of all sins: the “Greater Good.”

      “We need Roy Moore in the Senate because he will fight the homosexuals, the women libbers, the environmentalists, etc. Jesus requires this.”

    • Publius

      It’s fucked up, but I’m totally content with a double standard, if the double standard means Democrats are held to standards that include rejecting sexual abusers in their ranks. Yeah I get it, Republicans should be held to that standard — but they are not, and Democrats shouldn’t stoop to their level.

  • Tawreos

    There is going to come a time when someone that intends to run for congress will have to be raised from birth to the election in order to be clean enough to run. If they are a democrat, if they are a republican they could be a serial killer and raper and as long as they say they love god and hate abortion the gays it won’t bother them at all.

    • Jonathan Smith

      dont forget “second amendment” rights.

  • The Professor

    Democrat circular fir Nah squad. When Moore drops out and Trump resigns, then talk Al.

  • Hank

    I am sorry to hear, that there apparently does NOT seem to be a “gray area” or spectrum, when it comes to so-called “bad behavior”. While I agree, that sexual harassment should not be acceptable, ESPECIALLY in the work place or by someone in “power” over the harassed, NOT every comment or touch is necessarily Sexual Harassment.
    Last night on JMG, I saw a “heterosexual” GOP State Rep freak out over being touched by a male colleague on his arm and a Canadian female politician get her knickers in a twist at an attempt at humor. There has to be some sort of spectrum. Otherwise, heaven forbid if I should bump into someone inadvertently!!!

  • MaryJOGrady

    Gosh darn it. I know Democrats have to be better than Republicans, but I have been a big fan of Al Franken as a comedian and as a political commentator ever since his cameo in “Trading Places” and his talk show on the late, lamented Air America progressive AM network.

  • Strepsi

    Nononononononono Dems get out of the circular firing-squad formation! FOR ONCE put party first, the U.S. can NOT gain a Moore and lose a Franken

    • MooseMalloy

      Party Uber Alles! My senator drunk or sober!

      • Do Something Nice

        Troll. Go back to fucking your cousin.

        • Jonathan Smith

          he’s ugly.

          • Do Something Nice

            I just flagged him just in case. Joe can decide.

          • Jonathan Smith

            i meant my cousin 🙂

    • Kelly Lape

      The voice of reason. Politico publishes an anonymous accusation amounting to “he tried to kiss me…” and equates it with a child molester. Every Democrat on this firing squad is a piece of shit. When Franken goes so do I. If we’re going to have cowards and pieces of shit running this country at least they’ll have an (R) by their names.

      • Do Something Nice

        It isn’t just Politico.

  • Buford

    Franken needs to stay put until there’s similar pressure for Trump to resign. Besides, if 53% of white women voted for Trump despite the horrific allegations against him from 16 sexual assault victims, that tells me there’s nothing to be gained here by courting the high ground by sacrificing Franken.

    Women don’t REALLY care about this issue. If they did, they would not have voted for Trump and Moore would be far behind Jones in the polls.

    • Do Something Nice

      Maybe it is Republican women who don’t care.

  • Statistics Palin

    He has a right to due process as do those who voted for him. Let the ethics investigation go forward.

  • DisqusD37

    I am so frakking conflicted over this. I adore Al Franken; And in the grand scheme of things, the allegations are laughable compared to what Republicans get away with; but at this juncture, it is better for the party that he step down, a martyr for the cause. It sucks as he has accomplished great things, not the least of which, was catching Sessions being duplicitous during testimony.

    • MaryJOGrady

      I feel exactly the same way.

    • BobSF_94117

      Better for the party that the hysteria of the day ruin the career of a man who would make a damned fine president?

      • DisqusD37

        Like I wrote, I am truly upset over it. He’d have given Obama a run for his money for coolest President. Unfortunately, we’re in a culture of whataboutism and any opening for the Republicans will be pried open with a crowbar. Republicans can make Jimmy Stewart look like Charles Manson with Fox News on their side.

    • JCF

      This is where I’m at, too. I seriously HATE this, but it seems necessary now.

    • PeedeResistance

      Without an investigation. Without anything but accusations from blatantly partisan women (who have been in the business of marketing their bodies for fun and profit for decades, but never mind–of course they are simon-pure!) because Of Course Democrats Always Eat Their Own. Patently ludicrous.

  • JackNasty

    Let the accusations fly!

    Today, there’s no need for evidence or due process when you have accusations .

    • Hank

      Only if you are a Democrat. Rethuglicans could NOT care less!!!

      • JackNasty

        That’s so true. Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, one of the Senators demanding Franken’s resignation, didn’t lodge a complaint when Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond groped her in the elevator.

  • BobSF_94117

    Appalling. Absolutely appalling.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • Mark McGovern

    Sorry folks. I have said to too many people: “I have daughters. I cannot ever see supporting or following a President or leader who admits to using their power to grope people.”

    I would look like, and indeed I would be a hypocrite if I now supported Franken.

    Those who sexually abuse others just need to leave public life; they have no place in leadership rolls. Building a foundation on people who prey on other people less powerful than themselves IS defeat.

    • Friday

      Just two problems, though, a) Serious double-standards while the Republicans try to sanctify Trump and Moore and far more egregious Republican behavior. and b) We know right-wingers lie and neither of the ‘accusations’ yet have any real substance to them. There’s a difference between blind denialism and actually waiting for the *facts.*

      • Mark McGovern

        One the one hand, I understand and agree with what you are saying. Believe me, I am not happy. I liked Franken very much. Nonetheless, I can’t unsay what I have said, or disbelieve what I believe just because the other side are the very worst of hypocrites and, in my view, the scum of the earth.

        It all comes down to the question: Is it worth it to stoop to the level of the enemy in order to improve chances of victory? If we had a solid majority in the Senate, where loss of Franken would not matter, what would your position be on Frankin?

        When looking at the larger picture (and you may think I am way off base here; and perhaps I am): Pre-emptive nuclear strike on North Korea? Torture in Guantanamo? Incarceration of Japanese in WWII? Incarceration of Muslims? Deportation of child immigrants? The double standards you refer to only apply if you compare apples to apples.

        We are nothing like our adversaries who believe in those things I listed above. Apples to apples is a false dichotomy. We can’t ever play by their rules; their rules embody the the antithesis of who we are.

        People who believe in torture, incarceration by race, denial by religion, and nuclear annihilation are nothing like the humans I elevate in my world. To me, the winning strategy (if there even is one) is to move as far away from their detestable, selfish, egocentric behavior as possible. We need to state it, and we need to demonstrate it. And we need to demand it from our leaders.

        • Friday

          Just because we don’t have facts yet doesn’t mean it’s ‘stooping to the level of the enemy’ to look what they present square in the face and look for more facts before doing their dirty work for them.

          We actually *do* care about the facts, however they come out. So, let’s see what they even *are* first.

          • Mark McGovern

            I don’t get it; what facts? Were there not pictures, no denials, and apologies? Is there something more we need?

            To me it doesn’t matter if what he did was as bad as what they did. Is not delaying the inevitable further enabling the finger pointing from the right?

          • Friday

            The pictures weren’t what they were claimed by the right-wing pundit, …there’s also pictures of her not showing any sign of having been actually upset when she sprang *that* stunt. At the time we only had a newspaper article claiming someone said something. Obviously by now we’ve had statements from Franken on the rest, so I’ll see what those say when I can run em or read a transcript.

          • Mark McGovern

            All in all the situation sucks. Like Anthony Weiner. He was an amazing politician. Watching him have at the GOP was magic. And then….what a loss. What a waste.

          • Friday

            The difference is Weiner was actually skeevy.

  • Pip

    A pattern has been established. It’s time for him to go. My biggest question though is why there’s still silence from the hill about our Pussy Grabber In Chief staying in power. His accusers still outnumber Al’s. We have him on tape admitting to assaulting women. Sooooo, what’s the hold up here?

    • JackNasty

      These Democratic women only dare accuse their own.

    • Friday

      I’m not calling this a pattern: the first was a right-wing apparatchik trying to blow something from a skit into some kind of scandal, and this ‘story’ is yet to be checked on. Sad to say, we know the Right is willing to *lie their faces off.* Let’s see what the investigation brings here, this seems to be some ‘anonymous source’ quoted somewhere, if I read what I last saw right.

    • BobSF_94117

      The only pattern that’s been established is that GOP operatives can play the women of the Democratic Party like a fiddle.

    • Kelly Lape

      Pattern established as part of a GOP hit. A serious of non-events coupled with multiple anonymous complaints all to establish both-sides.

  • Friday

    I dunno, this really still stinks of a hit-job, after the first non-event was blown up. I gotta see more than a quote from someone anonymous.

  • JackNasty

    Funny, whiny Patty Murray didn’t file a complaint when Strom Thurmond groped her in the elevator. She didn’t demand his resignation. She only goes after other Democrats.

  • Cranky Squirrel

    Until the fucking Republicans are held responsible for ANY HORRIBLE FUCKING THING THEY DO, Franken goes nowhere.

    And a big FUCK YOU to anyone who suggests otherwise.

  • Nathaniel

    Exaggeration.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Nice litmus test you’re now willing to use there, fake Liberals! 😏

    • Friday

      The Right’s first attempt to make a thing to ‘bothsiderize’ Trump and Moore etc’s egregious behavior was obviously not much of a thing, so this one accusation sure needs to be *checked* first. We know the Right lies to our faces every day, and from the top down. Your credibility isn’t exactly good with us.

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        My credibility? Like I care. At least I’m not still trying to win a high school popularity contest and admit when I’m wrong. To argue Bernie voters have a litmus test, then trash them, and use one for this is the height of hypocrisy.

        • Friday

          Uh, I don’t even know what you’re trying to talk about here. Nothing yet lends credibility to this accusation, so your ideas of ‘litmus tests’ and ‘popularity contests’ are irrelevant, never mind proving something, until we *do* know the facts. Franken *has* in fact earned some measure of trust in these matters, if for nothing else because he’s tirelessly *opposed* misogynistic policies, never mind tried to defend kiddie-rapists in court. We have no verified facts yet.

  • Kelly Lape

    At this point I’m starting to hope Franken does resign and gets replaced by the Republican Governor with another GOP piece of shit. America and the Democratic Party obviously don’t deserve to have a strong defender of working class values. So the GOP will have one more vote to steal from the middle class, rob all of our social security checks, destroy our medical coverage and generally fuck over just about everyone calling for his resignation. As for me I’ve got my shit, the tax cut gives me more money, I don’t live in a state with income tax, being gay I don’t have the kids to write off, I’ve never owned or wanted to own a piece of property… So fuck it. Fuck it all America deserves the GOP. Oh yeah Trump is pouring gasoline on the Islamic middle east fire and soon we’ll be attacked by “terrorists” Trump will be a war president and the cowardly Democrats will once again shrivel in the face of real danger.

    • Steven H

      Minnesota has a Democratic governor, Mark Dayton.

  • Gene Perry

    Seriously? What Franken did was tacky, at best. But, he has apologized & promises to clean up his behavior. So, Raju, Hirono, K. Gills, Murray (etc.) back off.

    • Jonathan Smith

      so…..never?

  • PickyPecker
    • GayOldLady

      I read this morning that the Author of Trump’s biography believes that more women are going to come out against Trump.

      • AmeriCanadian

        After witnessing the total inaction that followed the previous accusers, why bother? Why do that to yourself? The accusers will be dragged through the mud and possibly even threatened.

        • GayOldLady

          I think the other accusers will come forward.

  • Ninja0980

    All I can say is I hope the latest reporters did their homework.
    If this does turn out to be a far right hit job, not only will we have lost a good man for nothing but the Me Too movement will be dead and buried, period.

  • safari

    At this point burning the Capitol down might be a viable option.

  • Andrew Iverson

    I’m going to say it, this is why the left never wins. Yeah, doing the right and ethical thing is probably good, but the right never gives two shits as long as it helps them win. Look at how many dems have stepped down or at least admitted to wrongdoing, while the right, even with physical evidence, denies they did anything wrong, and never even stop running.

    This feels like shooting themselves in their foot, and being manipulated, especially since the PotUS has done WAY worse.

    • netxtown

      The right and ethical thing is for the accused to be able to face his ccusers – and a jury of peers make a judgement. The ‘conviction by finger-pointing’ is incredibly UN-American!

  • Friday’s_cat

    Once again Democrats demonstrate why they will remain the minority party.

  • Good. Pushing a black congressman out and not pushing out a white senator is a bad look for democrats.

  • Dazzer

    Why is it that these women don’t believe in due process?

    If accusations – without proof – were made against them and whatever evidence wasn’t properly tested, do they think they should just resign because someone says something about them?

    Due process exists for everyone. It’s a shield as much as a sword.

    People need to see and understand this.

    • Friday’s_cat

      They been infected with Pelosi.

    • GayOldLady

      I think we’re all assuming that the accusers are unknown to the women Senators calling on Franken to resign. That is likely not the case. Every story has corroboration from contemporaneous retelling of the event at the time. Victims, male as was the case with most of the catholic priest victims and female, which is the case with many of the victims coming forward now, don’t plan assault or sexual misconduct stories years in advance of telling them publicly. I’m sorry it’s reached this point for Al. I think he’s done a good job as a U.S. Senator, but this story will likely only get worse from here. Who knows how many others are in the wings.

      • Dazzer

        All the more reason for due process to take its course.

        Accusations and allegations can’t take the place of evidence and evaluation.

        In the UK in the last month, we had a well respected male politician take his own life because allegations of sexual assault were made against him without him being given the chance to defend himself.

        A woman or man simply cannot make an accusation without providing some kind of evidence and that evidence being tested to see if it’s true.

        If you allow for lynch mobs against someone else, how can you complain if the next lynch mob is coming for you?

        • GayOldLady

          I understand your reasoning, but it’s hard to present evidence of an incident that happened years ago. The only evidence you have are the contemporaneous statements from the accusers made to friends and family at the time of the incident. A perfect example of this would be the Bill Cosby accusers. From what I’ve read all of these women told their stories to others at the time. And it always boils down to he said/she said, unless there’s physical evidence of violent physical assault. There are different degrees of sexual misconduct and Al’s is on the mild side when compared to Roy Moore, Catholic Priests, Cosby, Child Molesters or Rapists, but it’s still sexual misconduct.

          • Dazzer

            No. It’s not that difficult. It’s actually very easy – other countries do it all the time and manage to get to the truth of the matter.

            In the UK, people in 2016 have been tried and found guilty of historic sexual abuses that took place in the 1970s.

            If other countries can do it, why can’t the US.

            Hellfire, if the US investigators can’t do it, why don’t they just invite professional investigators from other countries to do it for them?

            To say you’re happy to rely on accusations because it’s too difficult to investigate that accusation is frankly ridiculous.

            And you know I love you, so I’m not having this fierce debate with you lightly.

  • Jerry Kott

    He should NOT resign!!

  • Jay George
  • gaycuckhubby
    • Jerry Kott

      Bullshit! After T45 resigns, follow the fearless leader?
      If the Democrats need a pair of Balls, I will give them one of mine- I have big balls.

    • canoebum

      This is walking off the field of battle and ceding victory to the GOP. How shameful of the Democrats to take this leap when the process has not yet played out and his accusers are of dubious credibility. These Democrats are doing the Republicans dirty work for them.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Were there new allegations today?

    • Lazycrockett

      yes. were up to 6 now.

      • Hank

        How many of them are ANONYMOUS???

        • Jonathan Smith

          14
          but the Daily caller, and the National Enquirer have reported…….

      • gaycuckhubby

        Ahhh… i missed that

  • Nathaniel

    Gillibrand again. After her irresponsible remarks about Bill Clinton I was wondering,
    the president of what country she wants to be? Excessive decency can only pay off in Norway… or another civilized country.

    • Dazzer

      Actually, it probably wouldn’t play in Norway. If you say something, you have to back it up in most Scandinavian countries.

      If a woman makes an accusation, she has to back it up because she is far more of an equal than she would be in the US.

      • Nathaniel

        I thought about appreciation of decency and high standards by the electorate.

  • netxtown

    Sorry – they couldn’t be more wrong. Let’s follow Mitch’s lead and let the people of Franken’s state make the decision.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      Um, they’re likely to put this seat in Republican hands at their first opportunity. Trump came extremely close to winning Minnesota last year.

      • Kelly Lape

        Voter suppression works wonders.

  • Tomcat

    Hard question here. Force him out but keep trump, I don’t think so.
    When republicans agree to the same for their people, only then should Democrats resign.

    • Tomcat

      Agreeing not to rerun is different.

  • Jonathan Smith

    you know, i USED to RAIL against the Molester in chief, Daily,
    i do rail against the fake “Judge” in AL.
    but what’s the point? i can go to the opposition things, i can revolt in the streets,
    the Gay Old Party will STILL be against me,
    and as long as it’s a republican vote, who CARES that he molested children?
    hell, at this point, they should probably elect John Wayne Gacy to the presidency.

  • Boreal

    When will they call on dump to resign? If not they should STFU.

  • HappyDance904
  • Jmdintpa

    Fuck that. Conyers should have stayed as well. Until the head pussy grabber in charge is gone its a war as far as im concerned and right now is not the time to sacrifice our own. Whats next voting for third party candidates that have no chance in hell winning because of your standards……Its disparaging and cant be ignored but run these people out now, at this point in history, at our own peril.

    • Max_1

      If lying is wrong…
      … Why is it ok when someone you like does it?

      If sexual improprieties are wrong for Republicans…
      … Why are they OK for Democrats?

      Kyla Moore, is that you???

      • Jonathan Smith

        no. it’s donny j dRumph.

      • Reality.Bites

        “Both parties are the same” is supposed to be a misperception we fight, not a goal to achieve

  • Max_1
  • Lamb Urgini

    NOT SO FAST ON THIS LATEST ONE

    “He was between me and the door and he was coming at me to kiss me. It was very quick and I think my brain had to work really hard to be like ‘Wait, what is happening?’ But I knew whatever was happening was not right and I ducked. I was really startled by it and I just sort of booked it towards the door and he said, ‘It’s my right as an entertainer,’” said the woman.

    Unlike in other accusations involving Franken where he has apologized, he is vehemently denying these claims and has implied the woman is a liar.

    “This allegation is categorically not true and the idea that I would claim this as my right as an entertainer is preposterous. I look forward to fully cooperating with the ongoing ethics committee investigation,” said the senator to Politico.

    • Kelly Lape

      This “accusation” is also anonymous. Absolutely no credibility.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Jerry Kott

      Why don’t these Senators go after the real pig in the White House?

      • Jonathan Smith

        and leave themselves open to the same charges? don’t be silly

      • billbear1961

        Because they’re cowards!

        • JCF

          Time out, Bill.

          • PeedeResistance

            Truth hurts, hmmm, JCF?

  • MarkBuster

    This is a no-win situation, uncles you count the GOP. I feel like the question about him resigning, or even about being called to, will fall right along the tired old lines of “Hillery Vs. Sanders”. It’s no coincidence who is pushing for him to quit and who is pushing for us to support our own. We are fragmented. We don’t like each other very much. (the center left and the left).

    • Jonathan Smith

      oh, it’s a “win” situation……….for the GOP

      • MarkBuster

        Absolutely.. It’s a cake walk for the existing force when the opposition party doesn’t like itself

    • Friday

      There’s a difference, too, between polarization and actually waiting for the facts when you know your opponents lie to everyone’s faces on an hourly basis, while having no compunctions about ‘anointing’ a kiddie-chaser who has a history of violating the Constitution *and* using court power to enforce his ideology, including taking the sides of those who assault teens.

      • MarkBuster

        Sadly, I think it’s going to play out with a kiddie chaser getting elected to the senate, and an existing senator loosing his position before there is a formal accusation (let alone trial!).

  • BearEyes

    Let the people of MN decide.

  • Pluto Animus

    So Roy Moore can take his place?

    God I hate so-called ‘Liberals’.

    The perfect should not be the enemy of the good.

  • Vista-Cruiser

    Thanks to Al Franken, Democrats can kiss yet another Senate seat goodbye in the
    2018 elections.

    My understanding is that any replacement for him would serve only until then. Minnesota almost went for Trump in 2016, and it’s becoming redder by the minute.

  • Tomcat

    Somehow I feel like the Democrats are like the British marching in a straight line while the republicans shoot us from behind frees.

  • Dana Chilton

    I have always liked Franken and have two of his books. I’m saddened by these stories and, as a survivor of sexual assault myself, I cannot condone the behavior he Is being accused of. I have to say though that the current tactics used by ring wing crusaders really works. Remember Shirley Brown? Once right wing media giants (breitbart, drudge, gatewaypundit) see a political opportunity and trumpets a conspiracy or fake story, FOX News eventually picks it up and runs with it. Because it’s being talked about so much, others like NPR, who desperately want to be viewes as nonpartisan, pick it up and repeat it too but sadly without the investigatory journalism that used to be standard (fact finding is just for politifact nowadays. Right wing media sees their propaganda disseminate then hammer their opponents. Brown is a great example. (planned parenthood and acorn and Clinton foundation and Benghazi and IRS are also examples) brown was fired in disgrace for the accusations but when all the evidence finally emerged and she was innocent no one cared. The mob can be dangerous.

  • Richard B

    Al Franken should not resign until Roy Moore and Donald Trump resign.
    Al Franken is too effective of a warrior on the front lines to loose at this time.
    I understand and appreciate the woman’s complaints, but we are at war with the Republicans who are destroying our nation and Al Franken needs to keep doing what he has been doing – being a great senator.
    He should apologize and move one.

    • Max_1

      WHATABOUTISM…

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • Tomcat

    Blessed are the morally pure, for they shall be slaves to immoral republicans forever.

  • Matt G, Rochester

    Gillibrand has been spending altogether too much time with that neoliberal Schumer. I used to think she was smart.

    • Tomcat

      That’s it. Go after even another Democrat. I am sure that will help things,,, for republicans.

    • Tomcat

      Troll much lately?

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Gillibrand’s a party leader with national cred. Twice in a short span, she went where she shouldn’t have.

        Remember, also, too, that she’s an upstate NY kinda person. No raging liberal, she.

    • matrem

      A brand-new gop troll with under 100 comment sto their name that upvoted their own comments is totally someone liberals should take advice from.

      • Matt G, Rochester

        Democrat since before you were born, dearie. Or is that Dreary? Voted for Bernie in primary, held my nose and voted for Billary in the general. But keep up the good work. Vlad’s proud of you.

        • matrem

          Sure you did. We believe you 😉

  • Tomcat

    How about Clarence Thomas?????

    • Hank

      Where oh where is Anita Hill when you need her???

      • Tomcat

        Quietly paid off.

        • MaryJOGrady

          Not true.

        • JCF

          I’ve been seeing her speak out a bunch lately! Please don’t smear her.

      • Jay George

        Anita Hill did her duty and got treated like shit for it. She doesn’t owe anybody a comeback. That shit is hard enough to go through the first time.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Twice I vowed never vote Democrat.
    First time was after Pelosi’s “Impeachment is off the table”. No support until she was gone.
    Second was the hit job the Kossacks did on Hillary, bashing her with republican talking points 2008.
    Common sense prevailed, I held my nose and voted D.
    Since Democrats are determined to lose 2018 and 2020 I’m staying home since Caesar’s wife isn’t on the ballot.

    • Max_1

      And then we got TRUMP!

      Thanks…

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Don’t do that.

    • Tomcat

      Take your moral high ground and live under republican rule QUIETLY.

      • Friday’s_cat

        Talk to the 5 Senators want Al Franken to resign about Moral Superiority.

        • Tomcat

          I am pretty sure they intend to vote Democratic ticket in 2018 and 2020. You say you are NOT.

          • Friday’s_cat

            My vote won’t make a bit of difference since the Female Five are bound and determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of uncertainty.

    • Pluto Animus

      Be sure to stay in your Safe Space on election day.

      Sheesh….

    • Michael R

      Maybe Susan Sarandon will run .

      • Jonathan Smith

        oh. goody. a dem i can vote against.

    • Friday

      Just cause impeachment isn’t ‘on the table’ doesn’t mean she’s the one that took it away. The numbers do that. Until we fix them.

      • Friday’s_cat

        Pelosi was Speaker because the numbers were there. She knew full well what republicans did to Bill Clinton after they regained the House in 1994. Yet when she had the chance to expose republican lies that led us into Iraq she caved for some “moral” principle.

        • Pluto Animus

          You can’t tell the difference between winning the majority of Democratic Senators and having a majority in the Senate?

          Please do us all a favor and shut the hell up.

        • Friday

          The numbers to impeach Trump when she said that simply were *not* there. Diversions don’t change that.

      • canoebum

        When Pelosi said “Impeachment is off the table”, I suspect she was just handing Trump some more rope with which to hang himself.

    • Nathaniel

      Romantic bullshit.

    • Blake J Butler

      Overly dramatic that you had to announce your intentions to fuck the country over to help white trash and banana republicans win, over the sake of a democratic that isn’t 100 percent like you want, then YOU personally deserve your own personal hell, you’re no different than them. The rest of us don’t because we know better.

      I honestly think people like you got spoiled by the Obama years and think you could just throw anyone out there and they would win against the trash the republicans ran. And we had a good candidate, demonized by right wing lies, lies the progressive wing ate up some of them, out of retaliation that their candidate lost, and they really didn’t want to vote for hillary in the first place. And they bought into their lies to strokes their biases and prejudices they didn’t care to fact check about Hillary.Hell sanders can’t even support democrats on the ballot who don’t have their tongue up his crack and pass his purity test, which BTW he’s never rejoined the party. She wasn’t the problem, no prefect candidate will ever exist and you will lose decades of progress for the sake of trying to find what doesn’t exist.

      https://media.giphy.com/media/kupApLQABwGVW/giphy.gif

  • Max_1

    To molest… or not to molest…
    Lines in the sand.

    Be careful which side of the line you argue from.

    One side says, “Yea, but they do it too.”
    The other side says, “Molestation is bad, no matter who does it and deserves full accountability.”

    • Jonathan Smith

      but the side who votes is “Yea, but they do it too.”

      • Max_1

        I’m reading a lot #WHATABOUTISM and #BUTTHEDOITTOO in this thread…

    • Friday

      The difference is, Franken’s taken responsibility for what proved to be a comedy skit that ended up of dubious taste, ….this next still-vague accusation should be looked into, of course, but someone quoted in an article’s a bit soon to call out the circular firing squad.

      • Max_1

        Exactly… Taking responsibility is the correct move.
        The correct talking point no one here is making is:

        Democrats know how to clean their ship, Republicans boarded the Trumptanic and sent it sailing…

        • Friday

          To a fault, really. Dems aren’t the ones immediately trying to cover stuff up, *our* side needs to be the one we can trust to bloody well pursue, wait for, and *get* the facts before jumping on whatever bait is thrown out there.

  • Blake J Butler

    the first accuser was a trump supporter and i do not doubt that it was a hit job, the right wing has been using sexual harassment as a weapon since they tried to impeach clinton. This time is no different, they will go after people and find the lowest people willing to lie to discredit the accused and discredit real victims when the accuser is one of their own that they will defend.

    he agreed to an investigation, let it take hold.Whatever the results are he should accept it when it is finished. Its once again a knee jerk reaction to it because of the double edged sword that if we don’t believe his accusers than it can mean that someone like moore should be believed he is innocent. The right wing has us in a position they crafted for the sake of taking heat off of moore and baby huey.

    • AmeriCanadian

      While driving in this morning, the news on the radio was nothing but Franken, Franken, and a local sexual assault scandal at WXYZ TV. Not one thing about Jerusalem or Moore or Mueller. Nice deflection.

  • Lazycrockett

    https://twitter.com/VICE/status/938442101943160832

    So Bernie agrees that racism is cool.

    • matrem

      That’s a bit of a reach, no?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Somehow this outrageous BS should count as much as 3 gropes.

      • PickyPecker

        I’ll see your 3 gropes and raise you 2 nipple tweaks.

    • Boreal

      If they think trump made sense then they are both racist and stupid.

    • Tomcat

      So was Bernie stoned when he spoke?

    • Jay George

      t(-_-t) you Bernie

    • Ross

      Dear Bernie,

      Numerous studies have been done which prove that the average income of Trump supporters was HIGHER than Hillary supporters.

      These same studies have shown that the common thread amount Trump supporters was racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and homophobia.

      In short, a bunch of fucking deplorables.

      And you think decent people need to reach out to such scum.

      So, Bernie, dear?

      FUCK OFF.

    • Matt G, Rochester

      Trump campaigned about the political elite, the disfunction, and how so many people in this country are not as well off as the were ten, twenty, or thirty years ago. The fact his history and solutions to those problems are more of what has caused it was lost on ‘those people.’ But Bernie is absolutely right when he says the snake oil salesman was selling what they wanted to buy. Some of those people are sexist, racist, nazis. Many of them are just hurting from bad trade deals, bad tax policy, and 37 years of ‘trickle down.’ And his campaign was about bad trade and bad tax policy. Of course, he completely lied that he wanted to fix them.

  • gaycuckhubby

    I know it’s frustrating but if we let Trump lead on this and wait for him or the Republicans to do the right thing then no one EVER gets held responsible.

  • Tomcat

    BEWARE the latest onset of TROLLS.

    • Jay George

      Already got my block finger going this morning.

  • netxtown

    The five of them can go fuck themselves. Whether they like it or not – this is the UNITED STATED of AMERICA – and we don’t inititiate executions based solely on accusations.THEY should be upholding THAT PRINCIPLE!

    • gaycuckhubby

      But we do for Moore and Trump?

      • Nathaniel

        No. This is why they doing so well.

        • gaycuckhubby

          We and the Dems are demanding they step aside

          • Nathaniel

            But they still there, so there’s no need for Democrats to sacrifice.

          • gaycuckhubby

            so we let the Republicans dictate how we deal with sexual harassment?

          • Nathaniel

            No. We should deal with it the way it’s benefits us. We need to stop being the decent one in the room, because we are losing.
            I rather have not 100% morally clean Democrats in control than what we have now.
            Decency died with Hillary Clinton. Time to realize that.

          • stevenj

            “We”?

          • gaycuckhubby

            at Joe my God

          • stevenj

            Please don’t speak for me.

          • gaycuckhubby

            sorry, 90% of us believe they should resign

          • stevenj

            I know you are absolutely obsessed with the sexual harassment issue. Speak for yourself.

          • netxtown

            Moore sexually assaulted a minor. Trump sexually assaulted a minor. Franken exhibited poor taste with an adult.

          • TuuxKabin

            Citation?

          • gaycuckhubby

            U don’t think 90% of commenters here thinks that Roy Moore should drop out of the race or Trump should resign or be punished for sexual harassment charges?

          • -M-

            There’s more convincing evidence of worse crimes in their cases.

            If Franken’s guilty he should resign, otherwise let the ethics investigation take its course.

      • netxtown

        Each party is responsible for defending our Constitution and our Laws. Their degree of defense is their defining moment…

        • Jonathan Smith

          so they will win?

      • netxtown

        Did any of the 5 demand trump or moore step aside?

  • Nax

    The Judean People’s Front Suicide Squad.

  • Max_1

    Is sexual abuse good?
    Then accountability is the correct path…

    That the GOP endorse sexual molestation and harassment is about THEM…
    The question is: What do Democrats do with their own?
    The wrong answer is: Wait for the GOP to decide to act first. (WHATABOUTISM)

    • Kelly Lape

      Let the GOP drive all conversations. When the GOP is under attack they launch bullshit attacks on us.

    • -M-

      The standard should be: If he knows he’s guilty he should resign, otherwise if there’s not strong evidence available wait for the ethics investigation.

      Of course politic and optics may not allow that now, unfortunately.

      He may be guilty and the allegations are serious enough to demand investigation, but not enough imo to be calling for his head without one.

  • MarkBuster

    It’s now 10 senators according to CNN. Right V Wrong has no bearing here… he is toast.

  • canoebum

    He’s entitled to Due Process. This is jumping the shark.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • billbear1961

      As I said in my first post on this story, these same people better DEMAND Moore’s resignation if he’s elected.

      And they should ALSO be demanding Trump’s predatory behaviour be looked into again!

      They should be demanding he give a deposition in the Zervos defamation suit against him!

      • gaycuckhubby

        I’m 100% sure that these Democratic senators will call for his resignation.

        • billbear1961

          They’d BETTER, and they’d better be loud and relentless about it until they get RESULTS.

          I’ll bet you they’re a lot braver and a lot more vocal going after Franken!

        • billbear1961

          I want them speaking out against the goddamned PREDATOR in the White House, too!

          They’ve said nothing, that I know of, about the defamation case against him!

    • Lumpy Gaga

      That’s a bit unfair. In Alabama, kiddie-rape is a feature, not a bug.

      It clearly did not create a political vulnerability for Moore. MN is different.

  • JCF

    Gut-check time: if we say “We believe the women”, then I have to believe the Democratic women Senators, too. I have to believe they know something I don’t. It *hurts* to say this, truly: Franken, resign.

    • GayOldLady

      I agree. I think the women Senators know a lot more than we know. I made a similar observation earlier.

      • Dazzer

        If they know something, then let them put it forward.

        “Sunlight is the best antiseptic”.

        Crucifying someone on anonymous allegations is an absolutely ridiculous, horrific way to conduct business.

        • Natty Enquirer

          Indeed. But it’s a grand tradition of this nation stretching back to Colonial times.

        • JCF

          Hyperbole alert: losing your Senate seat is not “crucifixion”.

          I agree about sunlight. Accusers are SO much more powerful, when they come forward by name (nevermind the women on TIME’s cover, I would have given it to Leigh Corfman alone. Biggest Brass Ovaries around). I expect we will learn who the accuser is, in due course.

          At the same time, we also have to recognize that women (and some men) have been catching HELL for coming forward, by name (and often photo), to make accusations of ANY men (nevermind powerful ones) for YEARS—and that was before the age of the armies of internet trolls (ready to compound abuse w/ more abuse). Let’s try to make compassion for victims our first response, not our last?

          • Dazzer

            In the UK, last month, a well respected politician committed suicide after he was anonymously accused of sexual assault.

            He wasn’t even given a chance to clear his name because not only was he not told who his accuser was, he wasn’t even told of the nature of the sexual assault he was supposed to have committed.

            You cannot assume that just because someone accuses another person of something that the accuser is automatically telling the truth.

            Your inclination to ascribe guilt on the basis of an accusation with no investigation astounds me.

            It’s an utterly ridiculous way to administer a society.

      • -M-

        That’s possible. I think if they do they should say that they know of other credible accusations or witnesses, rather than let it seem like a rush to judgment.

    • PeedeResistance

      If they know something we don’t, let them put it forward. Since when are ‘moral’ Democratic women supposed to be concealing critical information? Your ‘gut’ is doing nothing more than telling you to crucify a man– without a hearing–for a few anonymous partisan allegations.

  • Jonathan Smith

    look, shallow and self centered as i am, i am tired of talking about this. have some puppy love!
    JMG change the conversation, please!

  • Friday’s_cat

    The republicans (Russians?) know how to play Democrats. The infighting between the Purity Party (aka Fire Franken) and the Realists (let the ethics panel do it’s work) has them fighting like a bag of angry ferrets. The end result will make Vlad smile.

  • Tomcat

    The Democratic party has it’s cock in a vice, it is going to hurt to unwind the vice or leave it there. What to do, what to do.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Think of England.

  • Jonathan Smith

    jesus, if we at JMG cant get on the same page, what chance does the DMC have?

    • MarkBuster

      We can’t, and not much. We non-GOPers are in desperate need of a unifying climate and message. Otherwise, it’s all doom. Serious doom! Because the GOP is THAT evil!

    • Natty Enquirer

      Don’t mistake one blog forum for an entire nation.

  • gaycuckhubby

    When I first read the headline my gut reaction was he should not resign. But then I read all these comments saying that the reason he should not resign is because the Republicans put up with sexual abuse accusations so so should we? Now I think for consistency sake he should resign

    • Friday’s_cat

      The road to Hell is paved with Consistency.

      • gaycuckhubby

        okay everybody go out and sexually harass and abused people. you won’t be held accountable because Trump won’t resign. Yay!

        • Friday’s_cat

          Binary thinking alert.
          Ken Starr and the guy what filled in for him decided Bill Clinton’s accusers were exposing themselves to perjury charges and didn’t file rape charges.
          The Washington Post interviewed Roy Moore’s accusers and found them to be credible because he made statements to the fact of asking their mothers for permission to date.
          If Franken deserves the axe it because of one sophomoric photo until his accusers are vetted.

  • Time for him to go.

    • MarkBuster

      I agree, but not because he is guilty… there has been no formal charge or trial. But he is “tainted” and in our current climate, that is all it takes for him to be a liability more than an asset

      • I believe the women and it’s not just 1 so … although nothing is proven he appears to have an issue. Plus that seat will be taken by a Dem anyway.

        • MarkBuster

          Maybe! You are probably right! But I still like that old rule of law and with it that “until proven guilty”… I’m inclined to fully, 100%, believe the women too. I’m a dad of a cute young woman– I’ve been dealing with creeps staring at her since she was MAYBE 13, 14… so I want a trial.

  • Tomcat

    Personally I am going to PICK MY BATTLES. I will only fight the ones I have a chance of altering the outcome and say fuck it to the rest.

    • Friday’s_cat

      I caught Hell for saying that below.

    • Jonathan Smith

      no. i KNEW going in my two votes (My hubby and I) were going to lose in WV, it was STILL important to let my voice be heard.

      • Tomcat

        Always go vote always.

      • Tomcat

        I live in Tennessee so my votes have not counted for quite a while now, but I always go vote, just in case. No battle there just a leasurly vote.

        • GayOldLady

          It’s tough in TN, but we have to keep on getting out there and voting. I rarely vote for a winner anymore. The last time I voted for a winner was Obama. But we do have a good chance of getting a Dem Governor this go around. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

  • Tomcat

    Remember even IVORY SNOW is only 99.99% PURE.

    • Jonathan Smith

      and did not try to pick up 14 year old’s at the mall?

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    You know why the Republican women senators aren’t saying a word about Franken resigning? Because they want to reserve the right to not say a word about a Republican senator should accusers come forward.

  • rextrek1

    while I understand with ALL the Crap going on – the DEMS should Take the HIGH ROAD here…..I hate to LUMP Al in with child molester Moore or DUMP the PUSSYGRABBER…… when Al’s was most likely coming from a comfortable / comedic point of view…..how many of us are guilty of groups Photo squeeze of a waist, or shoulder in THAT Vein……… as opposed to Literally GROPING,GRABBING and Assaulting a woman.

    • Jonathan Smith

      i personally have NEVER grabbed ANYONE by the tit’s or ass who did not make it very clear it was not wanted.

      • Jonathan Smith

        and by “clear” i meant, already naked in my bed.

      • netxtown

        I have been nipple tweeked by a female colleague at work – and we laughed our asses off about it. Her intent had nothing to do with sex.

        • jmax

          Had a complete stranger tweak my nipples while my partner and I were at Tulsa Eagle Thanksgiving night. I thought it was an unusual way to say hi.

    • netxtown

      Trump intended to fuck her.
      Moore intended to fuck her.
      Franken intended to get a laugh.

      • Jonathan Smith

        trump did
        moore did
        franken did

  • Tomcat

    The difference between Democrats and republicans is Democrats refuse to forgive their people.

    • Adam Schmidt

      The difference is we expect ours to be accountable for their actions. Republicans are forgiving child molesting! That’s horrific!

      • Friday’s_cat

        Why can’t Democrats wait until they find out what exactly they have to forgive Al Franken for besides that dumb photo. Unless you think it reason enough he step aside.

        • Adam Schmidt

          Do you really think 10+ senators all asked him to step aside on the same day after no new (public) disclosures is a coincidence? I’m betting something big is about to break, he and party leadership know about it, and this is so they can get ahead of it.

  • Nathaniel

    The question is: Do Dems have a good candidate in Minnesota to win this seat? Are they sure this seat stays blue?
    If yes, then go ahead and demand Al’s resignation. Unfortunately I doubt the seat is safe.

    • Friday’s_cat

      It isn’t, that’s the reason for the hue and cry he step down. The republicans get a sure vote until the next election.

    • -M-

      Would an appointee inherit Franken’s seniority? Be able to keep grilling Sessions et al?

  • The_Wretched

    NPR is “very concerned” and all but demanding he step down. Very bretheless coverage. I’m notably not hearing them post a defender voice for ‘balance’.

    • billbear1961

      Oh, of course not!

      Are the hypocrites as concerned about Moore and the PIG in the White House?

      • Hank

        BillBear… watch your BP, today!

      • The_Wretched

        Nary a word about them. Lazer like foxus on just Frankin.

  • Blake Mason

    He got to go…

  • Lumpy Gaga

    I suppose now we’ll FINALLY see another NY Times Op-Ed about a guy’s sister who saw a penis at work, went home and died.

  • Tomcat

    Until it becomes ABNORMAL for rich and famous to be allowed to grab pussy without prosecution we will always have theses problems.

    • Jonathan Smith

      soooooooooooo…………………………………
      never?

      • Tomcat

        No,, I think the day is soon upon us.

  • romanhans

    God, this is so stupid. Disclaimer: I’d love for Dems to take the high road. But here’s how it’s going to work.

    Al Franken is going to do the “honorable” thing and resign. Since he resigned but Trump and Moore haven’t even be seriously questioned, Republicans everywhere are going to say, “Wow, he really must have done some horrible stuff! I’m glad Republicans aren’t as bad as that.”

    Once again, we’re taking the high road straight into the sewer. We need to play by the same rules or we can NEVER win: it’s like playing ping-pong with one hand tied behind our backs. If Republicans say sexual harassment needs to be investigated, we”ll start with whoever has the most, and most serious, accusations. If we demand perfection from our leaders while the other side is fine with child molesters, we will most certainly burn our own house down.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Yea. Lets take the high road and not punish anyone. Sounds great

      • Natty Enquirer

        Either/or, huh? Black and white. Good and evil. Makes life simple.

        • Friday’s_cat

          Binary Thinking?

    • -M-

      Yes, the Republicans play Calvin-ball.

      There needs to be one set of established rules that applies to everyone.

  • JCF

    Sigh, this thread is even more depressing than its topic. Circular firing squad? There’s one forming here.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43ba08f10da0b5f34fb589aa2143a3ee3388567ba582d661296b408792d3b663.gif

    FWIW, it’s obvious 1) some new news has broken re Franken, specifics of which we don’t know yet 2) I have ZERO doubts that this also precipitates a “Shut the Fucker Down!” ‘tude re Roy Moore. These women Senators WILL NOT ACCEPT Roy Moore. Period. Either (if elected, heaven forbid dougjonesforsenate.com ) he goes, or Business.Is.Stopped.

    • Tomcat

      That is because there is no winners here either way. One way we keep a possible abuser, the other way a republican governor appoints a republican replacement.

      • Friday’s_cat

        The operative word is possible. Why can’t we wait until the ethics committee does its work?

      • GayOldLady

        The Minnesota Governor is a Democrat.

        • Tomcat

          I stand corrected, problem solved.

          • GayOldLady

            🙂 It’s hard to remember who’s who in this political climate, but fortunately for us MN has a Dem Governor.

        • Friday’s_cat

          Next election is 2018 in a state Hillary only won by 1.4%.

          • GayOldLady

            Doesn’t matter!

          • GayOldLady

            Franken won by 10.3% in 2014

          • Friday’s_cat

            Can you guarantee the state will be Democratic majority in 2018?
            If Franken resigns the governor can appoint a Democrat until a special election is held. You know republicans will be pushing for it if they think they have a chance. Whoever wins holds the seat until 2020. Where will Minnesota be then?

          • GayOldLady

            I can’t guarantee that the earth won’t be destroyed by a meteorite as we sleep tonight, but I can guarantee that doing the right thing is never the wrong thing.

  • justmeeeee

    It’s always sex that does them in, ain’t it?

    • Tomcat

      The ones that think with the little head, yes.

      • justmeeeee

        and many of them do, it seems…

  • Friday’s_cat

    I’m guessing the voters in Minnesota did realize they elected Caesar’s Wife to the Senate.

  • Tomcat

    I will say this, if he resigns and then reruns and wins he should be treated NO different than Moore.

    • Friday’s_cat

      If Franken feels he hasn’t the support he will resign and he is smart enough not to try again.

  • normadesmond

    NO!

  • Friday’s_cat

    Question the motive of anybody who wants Franken the poster boy for Democratic Moral Purity.

    • Tomcat

      I am willing to forgive him, but I was NOT assaulted by him. So not my call.

      • Friday’s_cat

        The one woman we know Franken assaulted has forgiven him. I’m willing to wait until the ethics committee has its say unlike some of the morally superior posters here.

    • MarkBuster

      Just a theoretical here.. and I really don’t have a resolved stance yet: If you are a crappy ass PERSON, but do a decent job, should you loose your job?

  • Hank

    Since Franken has become a Senator, he has done everything he could to shed the comedian/actor persona to be taken SERIOUSLY as a politician. In his first term, he kept his head down and did the work. Now, after being re-elected, he is doing THE job!
    Other than the USO woman’s accusation, I have not seen or heard anything open, that arrises to TRUE Sexual Harassment. I believe, he deserves to go before the Ethics Committee, rather than be tried in the court of public opinion!!!

  • MarkBuster

    I’m copy writing a new slogan for the DNC:
    Statisficing.

  • Kelly Lape

    The only thing America is learning from this is that no two people should ever be alone together. Always have a witness.

    • MarkBuster

      Threesomes always bum me out. Another couple? Sure.. but not a threesome. See what I did there! 🙂

      • Kelly Lape

        I demand you resign immediately. Your comment was as disgusting as Roy Moore raping a child.

        I see exactly what you did there.

        • MarkBuster

          I’m going to wait until it blows over. his face… lol

  • Kelly Lape

    Democrats 2018: Divided and conquered.

    How’s that for an honest slogan.

    • Friday’s_cat

      As the late bartcop labeld them Pink Tutu Democrats. Folding in the face of republican aggression or bringing a spork to a gun fight. Take your pick.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    While it is unfortunate that losing Franken will mean a loss of a Dem vote in the senate, the fact remains that he admitted to variants of this behavior and if we are to be consistent in our principles, he must go. Yes, it sucks that he’s been tried in the court of public opinion and he does deserve his day in front of the committee; alas, it’s not so much the crime as the perception…and in politics, perception is everything. It’s not good timing and it sticks in the craw knowing that Republicans don’t care if their politicians are rapists, pedophiles, etc….you can’t surrender the high ground for short term gain. In 2018, many a GOP will face a barrage of ads making it clear where they stood when Trump and Moore basically said “Yeah, Pedophilia is ok.” For now, principles must be maintained for the sake of the future and not expediency.

    • Friday’s_cat

      He admitted to a stupid photo before he was elected Senator, is that reason to step down?

    • Ross

      Franken has NOT admitted to sexual assault.

      He has admitted, and apologized for, some of his actions.

      He has furiously denied most of the accusations.

      But, hey, let’s just burn him at the stake anyway, right?

      BURN BABY BURN!!!!!!!!!!!

      (I need to go vomit now…)

      • Kelly Lape

        I just e-mailed my two Senators expressing my dismay and denouncing my affiliation with my formerly loved Party.

  • narutomania

    No. Just no. Al Franken is a much-needed voice of clarity and reason and yes, even of integrity in the U.S. Congress.

    It should be unthinkable to ask him to resign when absolutely NOTHING is being done to pressure Drumpf to do the same. As others have noted, NO DOUBLE STANDARD.

    • Friday’s_cat

      If Franken’s accusers are found credible he should go. I question the motives of those wanting him to step aside before the ethics committee makes a decision. Closet republicans.

  • Ross

    What bothers me, enormously, is the lack of distinction regarding behavior.

    As I see it, there are three levels:

    1) SILLINESSS.

    Like, you are at a party, drunk, and you grab an ass. Every man I know has done this. So, too, with every woman friend I know. I give anybody a pass on this.

    2) INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR.

    This is like silliness, but with different circumstances. Like you are a boss, and at the office part when everybody is drunk, you quickly grab an ass. I don’t think this is right. But a person should not be destroyed over it. They should apologize, sincerely. And perhaps be reprimanded.

    3) SEXUAL ASSUALT.

    This is VERY different. This can be either be motivated by sexual desire or violence. It is wrong, and a person should be punished.

    The problem is that few people see such distinctions.

    And this troubles me, particularly when I see good people tied to a stake and BURNED for #1 or #2. All the while people who bragged about #3 become President.

    • Steven H

      I’ve never grabbed someone’s ass without permission. Not when I’m drunk. Not when I’m sober. Never.

      What you are describing is assault. You don’t get to impose your will on someone else’s body. Ever.

      There’s a difference between “I don’t have the facts that I need to know that this is what happened, so I’ll withhold judgement for now” and “I don’t care if he grabbed someone’s ass without permission because what’s being described isn’t sexual assault.”

      • Ross

        Sorry, but there ARE distinctions.

        Somebody should not have their life destroyed, for example, because they slap somebody.

        But if they kill somebody? Oh, yes.

        Oh, and you seem like a perfect person. I didn’t know any existed.

  • justme


    Five Female Dem Senators: Al Franken Must Resign”
    These 5 might as well be Republicans…

    • Friday’s_cat

      Don’t know about republican moles but they are fools.

  • fiizok

    “Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without.”

  • Longpole

    Hopefully, the Dems are taking this stand to use as a platform for the mid term election next year.
    If woman can see a clear difference between the Dems and the Rethugs on this issue, maybe the Dems will recapture the house and possibly the senate.
    Cheeto got just enough of the woman’s vote to help him win. Many woman simply saw no difference on this issue between the 2 parties.They remembered Bill Clinton and how the Dems defended him back in the day (1990’s). Some believe Hillary threatened the woman who came forward back then.
    Bill Clinton had a 92% approval rating among Dems after the impeachment for lying about the blow job by Monica.
    If Roy Moore wins and is seated in the senate, the Dems will have a stronger argument to pressure him to be investigated and/or resign. I’m not sure if they will try to take on the Cheeto but if they do, they could start with a clean slate on their side. They can warn the pervert Rethugs, maybe we didn’t clean house in the past, but we dam sure do now and you’re next.
    Besides, are there any woman in DC who will want to work for Roy Moore? In his office alone with him? Young interns?

    • Dazzer

      Women could see a clear difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald J Trump in 2016. A small majority of white women voted for Trump.

      Making a clear difference isn’t the point here.

    • Kelly Lape

      Their effort to gain votes they won’t get cost them mine.

    • Joseph Miceli

      I hope you are right. I really do, but I don’t think so. There are PLENTY of women who will work for Roy and keep their mouths shut. These are good Christian women who do what the Bible (and Roy Moore!) tells them to do. As for the Dems having enough political power to investigate Moore in a Republican led Senate…no, and we certainly can’t count on Republicans to investigate him. How can you count on them to do the right thing when Republicans have no sense of shame.

    • Friday’s_cat

      To paraphrase an election slogan, It’s about the Jobs, stupid!” Trump won because he gave rust belt voters hope even if deep inside they believed otherwise. Come 2018 Chivalry won’t be the deciding issue.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Democrats are so fucking stupid. We are ready to eat our own, yet where was the declaration for Cheeto Hitler to resign? Does anyone seriously think Roy Moore will be held to the same standard? Frankly, I don’t think what Al Franken did back when he was a comic rises to the level of sexual harassment. Sorry if some are offended by that but tough shit. People are going to be people and he did not create either a hostile environment nor was their a quid pro quo, nor was anyone underage.
    I wonder if the lady Senators listed ever made an advance to a man that he found unwelcome….a kiss, a touch to test the waters, even a playful grab when they were younger and more inexperienced with dating and finding sexual partners. By that metric ALL of us are guilty of harassment.
    The only crimes that I find here are stupidity and allowing Republicans to …once again…hold us to a double standard.

    • Friday’s_cat

      Democrats announced they want impeachment charges against Trump back in November. Of course they were scolded by Nancy Pelosi, something she does best as opposed to listening to the wants of her constituents.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Nancy really does have to fucking go. We need new leadership…and I think it is really disheartening that some of that new leadership is calling for Al to resign over this bullshit. As to impeachment…. if they can’t do that why can’t they do hearings or set up a committee if inquiry? Fuck the Repugs, the optics would be great!

  • Kelly Lape

    I have written my two Sen. from Washington state decrying their cowardice. I will no longer be affiliated with a bunch of push overs that concede the war in the name of political expedience. Never again will I vote for a Democrat. I have never nor will I ever vote for a Republican – but if I’m to be represented by someone I can’t respect at least they’ll have an (R) by their name.

    • Friday’s_cat

      I said something similar below and was spanked soundly for my opinion. Why bother to vote when Democrats are doing such a good job losing?

    • andrew

      Your two Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell are two outstanding fighters for the progressive agenda in the U.S. Senate. If your are a liberal Democrat and don’t support them against their Republican opponents you are being mighty foolish and your behavior is self defeating.

      • Kelly Lape

        Why? They’re not standing up now when it counts. What good does it do to vote for cowards?

  • Ross

    SHE’S A WITCH!

    BURN HER AT THE STAKE!

    BURRRRRRRRRRN HER!!!!!!!!

    Welcome to the Witch Trials, Redux.

  • JWC

    Its time to switch from panic mode “here a goblin, there a gioblin, everywhere a goblin’ and start approaching this in a calm educated manner If the quilty are guilty,so be it and Suffer the consequences But do NOT convict and condem By innuendo alone Everyone gets his day in court to prove his innocence

  • Abe

    If they force out Al Franken for these totally ridiculous actions then I’m not voting Dem for another 10 years, end of story. I’d rather stay home.

    • andrew

      Keep in mind that when you don’t vote Democrat, you help elect Republicans.

      • Kelly Lape

        Good. Republicans deserve to run this county. Democrats eat their own. The Democratic party will never again get a vote from me.

  • andrew

    I think Al Franken should stay put and let the Ethics Committee conclude it’s review and publicize it’s findings.

    • Ross

      I concur.

  • Helen Damnation™

    God damn you Al Franken. You were supposed to be our top of the top. I hope you don’t resign and fight the contentious charges, or at least wait until after Trump and Moore are brought to justice. God damn it.

  • Mike

    I don’t believe the accusations against Franken. I don’t believe he is a grabber or a groper. I do believe these women were recruited, and no one is happier about it than Jeff Sessions. And I fart in the general direction of every smug, disloyal coward who says he should resign, based only on dubious accusations and a photo of him satirically mocking the molestation of a woman.

    • robindaybird

      Fuck you, ‘let’s believe the women until it’s a guy I like they’re paid shills’. This is exactly why women on the left are angry, because the white liberal boys close rank around other boys

      • Mike

        Eat me. I believe the women who worked with Franken for forty years and signed a letter saying they had never known him to do anything like what he is accused of.

        I call for your immediate resignation.

      • Kelly Lape

        Any response that begins with “Fuck you” (I’ve started many that way) isn’t a call for a conversation rather a call to shut down discussion. Okay Fuck you too.

        • robindaybird

          Well excuse me, when even people in this very thread are “Even if he did it, he shouldn’t resign he’s our guy”, it sends a message loud and clear to anyone still unsure if they’ll come out about someone popular hurting them:

          “I don’t care about you – I only care about how your pain will be exploited to get at the people we don’t like.” Compare how other ‘Go get those scum!’ suddenly back up in the ‘whoa wait, maybe we should hear more evidence’ and call Franken’s accusers liars, whores and political cranks. It’s fucking exhausting, disheartening and rage-inducing to see this double standard. “We’re for you girls, until it’s inconvenient” has the song and dance women having been hearing from their alleged allies since the 60s.

          • Kelly Lape

            Even if he did what??? Fucking grabassed? Drive a great Senator out because of Grabassing? Go fuck yourself and take the Democratic party with you. Be happy with the child molesters and rapists the GOP will elect because no Democrat will ever again get my vote. I’m that fucking pissed.

          • robindaybird

            Well fuck you too. Grabass is still sexual harassment and not to be accepted, You can’t have double standards can call yourself morale, you rancid puss-filled sack of shit, I’m sure the DNC is crying over a fair-weather voter who quits over them down the *right* thing.

            Women who have been abused and harassed are not your political tools to turn on the moment they target the ‘wrong’ person, you entitled piece of shit.

          • Kelly Lape

            If grabassing is the same as child molesting then the DNC is doomed.

    • Kelly Lape

      I phoned my two Democratic Senators who are on the list of cowards demanding his resignation before the investigation. I took myself off the donor list. I won’t vote for either Cantwell or Murray again. In fact I also contacted the DNC and removed myself from their donor list. I will no longer vote for anyone in that party. I’ll never vote for a Republican but I figure if I’m going to have worthless cowards represent me they might as well have an (R) by their names.

  • Maggie 4NoH8

    Until these same women issue the same statement about Moore, Trump, et al IN THE SAME FUCKING BREATH, I think they should STFU. If you say one should resign, then all of em should resign.

  • Ann Kah

    I’m going to do a 180° from my usual position, and first ask a man WHO made the accusation, before calling for someone’s head on a pike. If it was a coworker of equal rank I’d assume that to be a situation that should have been handled right then and there by any adult woman. If it was an unconfirmed accusation by someone with a different axe to grind, that accusation should be taken with a grain of salt.

    If it was a subordinate, that brings the subject to real abuse. If it was a juvenile, ditto. Gillebrandt doesn’t want to discuss the fine line, but we really must address that – there is a big difference between, say, a drunken kiss at a party and an actual or attempted rape. It’s a big mistake to throw all cases into the same basket.

  • edrex
  • Bad Tom

    I would like to see the Franken accusers vetted with the same journalistic rigour that the Moore accusers were.

    To date, that has not happened. Two of Franken’s accusers remain anonymous, even to the site that reported their story (Huffingtonpost.)

    That’s not journalism. It’s a process ripe for exploitation.

  • Bad Tom

    All the arguments here are why I don’t post much anymore.

  • “_Almost_ forced a kiss” ?
    Cmon, Franken’s impetuous but yeesh.

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