LIVE VIDEO: Activists Speak Outside Supreme Court As Anti-Gay Colorado Baker Case Is About To Be Argued

The Washington Post reports:

When is a wedding cake not just a cake, but a statement of profound religious beliefs? That’s the question being debated today at Supreme Court as it hears oral arguments about LGBT rights yet again.

This fight is much different than the one settled two years ago in Obergefell v. Hodges, which declared that states cannot refuse to perform or recognize marriages for two people of the same sex. Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission is not explicitly about marriage but rather about whether there can be exemptions to nondiscrimination laws.

While the wedding cake baker is asking for a narrow exemption, the cultural shift revealed is broad: Conservatives have changed how they engage in politics and law, transforming U.S. culture wars.

The question is whether a Colorado cake baker, Jack Phillips, has a First Amendment right to be excused from his state’s nondiscrimination laws, which say that public accommodations — like bakeries — may not refuse to serve people based on characteristics that include race, color, disability, sex or sexual orientation.

  • Jeffrey

    Seems like so much regression in just one year.

    • DaddyRay

      I think we all tried to warn everyone but there was a certain segment of our side that just wouldn’t listen

      • Frostbite

        But her emails!

      • fuow

        Yeah, seems quite a few were obnoxious Millennials. They’ve been awful quiet around here lately. Maybe all their lectures to the rest of us on how much longer they’d be around than we would finally sunk in? Why yes, little boys – you’re going to suffer for your actions far, far longer than we will.
        And I do mean little boys. Except for one extraordinarily obnoxious young woman, all these BernieBros. around here were men. Well, male, at any rate.

    • Tawreos

      Trump allowed them to release all of their hate wherever they wanted

    • vorpal

      But he SWORE that he was going to be like totes BFFs with LGBT people.

  • Butch

    Or phrased another way: Why do you think your “religious freedom” can trample on the rights of others?

    • David Walker

      Because of JEEBUS!

  • KnownDonorDad

    If the baker had refused an interracial couple it would have been laughed out of court. Fortunately the ADF is involved, and given their track record we may have, effectively, nationwide ENDA when it’s done.

    • clay

      No, this year I’m afraid that it would not have been. Secession’s DoJ re-opens closed cases to challenge Harvard’s “affirmative action” admissions. GOP explicitly seeks voter suppression of African-Americans without even examining their voting records. Monuments to treasonous rebels, erected to intimidate minorities in the public square, are protected, as are Nazis.

      • kaydenpat

        True. We’re regressing on so many fronts because we have White Supremacists controlling our federal government. They’re not just anti-LGBT.

  • Gustav2

    Just more proof the Christianists hate every law made in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s

    • Butch

      I would go back much farther – I’d say late 1600s or thereabouts.

      • Gustav2

        True, the Pilgrims didn’t come for religious freedom, they came to make a theocratic state.

    • kaydenpat

      Because for them, civil rights should be limited to White, straight Christians.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i don’t know why SCOTUS took this case.

    • Ninja0980

      The optimist in me wants to think because Kennedy wants to put this to bed now before he retires (or worse) and is replaced by someone who will undo all of his LGBT rights legacy.
      The pessimist in me thinks that with the vile Gorsuch on the court, the bigots think they can sway Kennedy to their side like they did with Hobby Lobby.
      Hoping for the best here.

      • Tawreos

        I am hoping that if our side puts heavy emphasis on the amount of discrimination this could lead to it might not be a close decision

        • Ninja0980

          It’s going to be five-four either way.
          Roberts is a lost cause.
          Anyone who has a lesbian cousin yet thinks the states and federal government can discriminate against her and her wife is never going to be an ally.

          • j.martindale

            Probably right about Roberts, but he may develop a mind of his own sometime. Maturity comes late to some.

          • Butch

            Where did I read this? That Roberts is bothered by the extremism he sees in Gorsuch and it’s pushing him a little to the left. I can’t remember where I saw it, but I know the thought isn’t original with me.

          • j.martindale

            I read there is friction, also. Time will tell.

          • TominDC

            Roberts’ drift towards the left started well before Gorsuch was nominated:

            https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-chief-justice-roberts-a-secret-liberal/

        • canoebum

          It is a real Pandora’s Box of a case. If the bigots get a pass on this one, the breakdown of our civil society will deepen very quickly.

      • j.martindale

        One useful thing to remember is that in writing the Hobby Lobby decision, Alito wrote that that decision should NOT be used as a rationalization for workplace discrimination.

        But on Monday morning, the apocalypse didn’t come. In fact, quite the opposite: In its ruling for Hobby Lobby, the court—in an opinion authored by arch-conservative Justice Samuel Alito—explicitly stated that RFRA could not be used as a “shield” to “cloak … discrimination in hiring” as a “religious practice to escape legal sanction.” RFRA doesn’t permit employers to break a law when there is a compelling government interest backing that regulation, and, according to Alito, the government “has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the workforce.”

      • David

        I read something that said even the conservatives on the court are having problems getting along with Goresuch. To which I say HAHA.

        • Ann Kah

          Not so funny, when you realize that we will be subject to his decisions.

  • Ninja0980

    Make no mistake, if the bigots win this, civil right laws will mean nothing in this country.

    • Treant

      On the up side, that one cuts both ways.

      “Oh, devout christianist? I believe you should stay as dirty as your ethics. No soap for you.”

      • kaydenpat

        But I don’t think LGBTs think that way. You have to be a horrible person to deny someone a service just because of who they are. I couldn’t do it, tbh. Just not who I am.

        • vorpal

          You’d think that given that they sincerely believe that we’re going to spend all of eternity burning, writhing, and screaming in hellfire that they could be a little nicer to us for the few years while we’re here on earth.

          Maybe they’re trying to warm us up (bad pun – not sorry) for the eternal afterlife?

          • kaydenpat

            Lol! That could be what they’re thinking.

        • Treant

          (waves hand in air) I’m a vindictive son of a bitch! I’ll do it! 🙂

          • kaydenpat

            I’ll take your word for it. It may be harder to do than you think though. The only problem is that religion is a protected class.

          • Treant

            I fail to see the problem. Clearly, if discrimination is allowed on one class or group, it must be allowed on all. Equal access under the law and all that. 🙂

      • Frostbite

        Are you kidding? They already whine about the “War on Christmas”. Can you imagine the uproar when they are denied service somewhere based on their religious beliefs?

      • Gene Perry

        You know, somebody should do it. Discriminate (on purpose) just to get sued & land it it the COurts. Just to make the point.

      • vorpal

        The problem is that as an approximately 70% majority, it’s doubtful that anyone will actually exercise the right to discriminate against them.

      • Christopher

        Another upside, it’ll allow us to flee to other countries, that’ll have us, under the banner of political persecution.

      • Your mind may say yes but your nose will beg them to bath at some point.

    • kaydenpat

      Yep. It will be open season on minorities.

  • Adam Stevens

    And with THIS Supreme Court, we can count on being turned away at the fucking 7-11 for milk and bread.

    Fuck you right in the ear, Bernie Bros!

  • JoeMyGod

    Douchebag Ryan T. Anderson now speaking…..

    • Tawreos

      People like him never pass up a chance to prove how good of a christian they as well as how much hate that allows them to push.

  • Joe in PA

    Dang, my gaydar is pinging up a storm re: Ryan T.. Anderson. Hmmm.

    • clay

      Is he sporting the long curls?

  • Joe in PA

    This is about a cake Ryan. Good grief.

    • Butch

      Really, though, it isn’t just about a cake. It’s a symbol of Mr. Phillips’ purposeful disregard for the laws of his state, which prohibit discrimination in public accommodation and include baking a cake. It’s also not about the freedom of religion, either, because the right to exercise your religious beliefs has to end when it tramples the rights of others to live their lives without being made to feel as if they are somehow less than the rest of society. If you don’t want to bake a cake for gay people, then don’t open a bakery that is licensed by the state to serve the public.

      • Joe in PA

        I know, and you are absolutely correct. I guess I was just reacting to his ridiculous comments. I’ll retract my comment. 🙂

        • Butch

          No, don’t, because I get what you’re saying, too – just bake the damn thing and get over yourself.

      • Ann Kah

        If he is not invited on the honeymoon, then he is not endorsing the marriage. He is just doing the same thing he does every day for other customers.

  • Joe in PA

    That phone call wasn’t staged at all…nope…not at all. FU

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    These fundamentalists are trying to redefine bigotry and ignorance to mean courage and liberty.

    • kaydenpat

      And trying to legalize discrimination.

    • Tomcat

      That ship sailed long time ago.

    • Steverino

      American conservatism is distinguished not by what it is for, but who it is against.

      • prixator

        What a way to live, eh? Always looking for enemies.

  • Boreal
  • kaydenpat

    I’m going to be optimistic and state that there is no way that SCOTUS could validate bigotry in 2018. This country has advanced beyond this nonsense. Being religious shouldn’t be an excuse to being a douche.

  • Joe in PA

    It looks like our side is pretty well represented.

    • fuow

      Yes! It does!
      Except on a certain bench of nine black robed people, that is.

  • Boreal
  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    As the camera moves from one side to the other : You see the youth and energy on our side, and the bitterness and fear on the other side. Like looking at the past and the future.

    • Tomcat

      The same goes when the issue of renewable energy is brought up.
      Or women having a right to choose. ETC.

    • Joe in PA

      That’s what I was thinking. Have you noticed Westboro? Are they there?

      • Tomcat

        Busy protesting trump grabbing pussy,,, finally.

    • fuow

      True. Unfortunately, the youth and energy side only like moral victories. Voting is something they simply cahn’t be bahth’d with.

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    I hope that one day, even our side can stop calling our lives a ‘lifestyle’…

    • Tomcat

      Believing in false entities is a lifestyle.

    • fuow

      O! My paws and whiskers, yes!
      I don’t usually get all PC on other people over their choice of words, but this ‘lifestyle’ shit sounds far too much like ‘sexual preference’ for my books.

  • lymis

    I think the best outcome of this – not that I necessarily expect anything resembling the best outcome – would be a statement making a distinction between the product or service and the customer.

    People shouldn’t be forced to make or sell products or services that are out of line with their religious beliefs. Having a deli license shouldn’t require handling pork. Running a restaurant shouldn’t require selling alcohol. Running a bakery shouldn’t require making penis or vagina cakes for bachelor parties. Selling furniture shouldn’t require using power tools (a nod to the Amish).

    But if you do sell pork, you can’t decide who you sell it to. If you serve alcohol, you can’t decide that some customers don’t get served because of their religion. If you sell cakes, you can’t decide that you won’t sell them to gay people.

    That still leaves a whole lot of unsettled law with regards people who actually produce content – can a black graphic designer be forced to produce a flyer for a Klan rally, even if they have to sell neutral services to known Klan members? And some room for unpleasant compromises – potentially, cake bakers who will sell a cake, but not one with two grooms on it, for example. And no doubt, a whole new generation of litigation as a result.

    But the Court can’t uphold nondiscrimination laws and then effectively gut them all with a “but you don’t have to follow them if you really feel strongly about it” clause at the end of all of them. Because “Strongly held religious beliefs” can cover absolutely ANYTHING.

    • Ninja0980

      That’s the thing.
      If you won’t serve a product to anyone, no big deal.
      But if you are going to make a product for one person then tell another they can’t have it solely because they are black,LGBT etc., that’s discrimination.

    • jmax

      As Louis Brandeis said, it allows every man to become a law unto himself, the definition of anarchy.

    • BobSF_94117

      This case is about a business, not about a person.

  • The Sentinel

    I have a friend who is attending this morning’s proceedings. When he arrived at the steps to the Supreme Court he could hear chanting, “Do we have Jack’s back? Do we have Jack’s back?”

  • Tawreos

    If the other side wins, then I am starting a religion that believes that marijuana and alcohol are vital for one to properly commune with god and that either substance must be used daily. Anyone attempting to arrest either me or my followers will be violating our religious freedom and the owe every member of the sect a million dollars each. So sayeth the good book.

    • fuow

      Was the author of that book named Mary Jane Spirits, by any chance?
      🙂

  • Ninja0980

    Won an argument with a couple of douchebags at mediate by pointing out cases where Muslim cab drivers tried the same crap this douchebag did in denying rides to same sex couples or kicking them out of the cabs when they pulled the only Christians are being targeted crap.
    I’ve said if before and I’ll say it again.
    If your religious beliefs mean you can’t serve part of the public, then only sell baked goods at your church, only drive and pick up people from your Mosque etc.
    If not, do your damn job.

    • I would bet dollars to doughnuts dear Ninja, those same “douchbags” are crowing about winning an argument with a “libtard cuck”
      …does anybody really”win” on the internet?

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    Well said that man : ‘other victims will follow… the cloak of religious freedom has seen beliefs used to defend slavery, defend segregation, stop women voting …’

    • canoebum

      If we lose this one, we’ll have to start the “Add the Four Words” campaign in earnest.

  • fuow

    We will lose this and it will usher in an era of discrimination against gays and transgender people the like of which no non-Islamic country has seen since the Nazi era.
    Thanks, all you here who stayed home or voted ‘Green’ or wrote in Bernie in November 2016. This is entirely, completely and utterly your fault. Oh, and before some tom-fool pretends otherwise, we now have accurate data. Might want to actually check the facts before going off on one of your ‘everyone I know voted, so obviously all gay men voted’ rants.

    • canoebum

      I know for a fact that many gay men voted for Trump. A friend worked at the track in Saratoga over the summer. The gay couple he car-pooled with were both Trump supporters. I refused to speak to them.

  • worstcultever

    I’m just so goddamn fucking sick of humans. Always the need to fight these assholes and their CHILDISH NONSENSE BULLSHIT over and over, forever and ever. FUCK.

    Time for another break from news and computer screens.

    GAH. Times x100000000000.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dcc92fbd7d5090b548c2f2dd4328a4642ee633e61f63b5739657e8b0fd774395.gif

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Joe in PA

      I’ll take either one on the poster…just saying.

    • Uncle Mark

      Ooooo…and ladies, I bet he has a little pistolette, like Roy Moore

  • Uncle Mark

    So if this baker wins this battle, does that also mean that any employee can also deny services to those they feel beneath their morality? What if the employee’s beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the boss? If the employee gets shitcanned for exercising their own beliefs in conflict with the boss’ then can the employee sue…or is this whole morality/services BS limited ONLY to the owners and the rest of us be damned?

    What a big fucking mess this childish “I don’t like you, so no cake for you bullshit” becomes. Such behavior has no place in the marketplace.

    • Lee Grupsmith-Pedersen

      Probably.

    • marshlc

      Just wait until a Muslim grocery clerk refuses to sell one of them a package of bacon…..

    • Bj Lincoln

      Great question.

  • vorpal

    Anyone who belongs to a religion that thinks that eating a dry cracker is a sacred act of cannibalism or that it rained 36 inches per hour for 40 days should have no say in legal matters.

  • Bj Lincoln

    Those people carrying ‘Art” signs are NOT artists. I have a hard time thinking of a cake maker as an ‘artist’. Being an artist, I am having a hard time with the ‘art’ part of this argument. My brother is a chef and his plates are creative and beautiful. I have called him an artist but I also know he has been to school and has asked me to cover color theory with him to make his plates better. I still would not put him in the same category as myself. It’s food that is meant to be eaten and not hung on a wall . Wedding cakes can be works of art but the people cut it up to devour it and could care less about it later.

    • -M-

      Also a wedding cake is just a cake and has no religious message or significance, unless it’s to the couple themselves.

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    You’d think, listening to this cult, that Jack was actually forced to attend the wedding and dance with the husbands…

    • Joe in PA

      Or participate in the honeymoon.

  • Uncle Mark

    Shouldn’t the baker be required to post their moral requirements on their website and in their window? (Much like the no shoes, no shirt, no service signs) You know if that became a requirement, they would fight that in court. If you wanna employ your punitive Christian morality in your business, then you need to display it everywhere you advertise your business then. If they want to beat others with their cross, then they should be required to carry it always

  • Kevin Andrews

    The Cannibal Cults of Jeebus Inc and their latent homosexual baker professing his Missionary of Hate position is the clear definition of the Missionary of Hate that these death-worshiping cultists aspire to attain.
    There is NOTHING “Christian” in these Christ-O-Fascist bastards agenda and they are seditious Anti-Constitutionalists at best and scum-sucking hypocritical liars and death worshiping cultists at worst.
    Freedom of Religion is also freedom from Religion and it’s long past time these vile maggots on the ass of a dead jewish zombie take Mathew to heart and learn to pray in their closets. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca3843ff741242ce6f9b9be1e846f29150f2bc0766f3780565fe4d182da2bcfb.png

  • Uncle Mark

    If they can deny services based upon morality, can I deny services to anyone i suspect voted for Roy Moore…as I despise anyone, who supports pedophilia?

  • BobSF_94117

    This isn’t about a baker. It’s about a bakery.

  • Brody Levesque

    What a bunch of fucking hypocrites & bigots.

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  • Gigi

    They’re arguing that bakers are “artists” and, as such, shouldn’t be “forced” to make cakes for gays that infringe on their artistic expression. What a bunch of BS. I’ve seen hundreds of wedding cakes over the years (worked as a caterer while in college) and while some have looked nice, none were works of art. Cakes made by bigoted bakers will never be confused with works of art created by masters like Van Gogh, Rembrandt and Dali.

  • MarkBuster

    Someone out there must know his life.. it’s time to dox the hell out of this POS baker.

    • Halou

      I don’t think so.
      Litter the guy’s ‘reviews’ page with commentary, sure. But giving out his home address and phone number is as wrong here as it is when the bigots do it to our side. He has a wife and kid who are not involved in this and it is unfair to dox them.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    I’ve said it before and it bears repeating:

    If SCOTUS decides it’s ok for people to discriminate, then people should push for mandatory posting of the following

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39107b4ca7fc236c0adce042c7cd4de8cd3b44b4b8a331eb25f88979bd90d008.jpg

    on all businesses who plan to do this, thereby avoiding any undue stress on the part of the customer. Should the posting of this sign lead to a downturn in business, well, that’s the marketplace for you. They shouldn’t be allowed to have it both ways. Either you discriminate and let the whole world know or you shut the fuck up and bake the cake. Period.

    • Ann Kah

      If I spend time shopping someplace that then refuses to sell to me, I should be entitled to charge them for wasting my time …plus a penalty.

  • Frankie Hoskins

    I always wonder what kind of jobs these people have that they can take to day off to protest. And why aren’t the kids in school?

  • GanymedeRenard

    You’re selling art, you claim. Tell me, if you were a classically trained artist and owned a gallery say, in New York’s SoHo, would you refuse to sell a painting (executed by you) to a gay couple who wanted to decorate their bedroom because it would go against your “deeply held religious beliefs”?

  • Halou

    On someone else’s special day, trust an Evangelical Christianist to say it is actually all about them and their personal opinions. If I’m getting married and a baker says they want me to refrain from doing so for any reason, it’s off to the hospital they go.

  • Professor Barnhardt

    I can’t sit through three and a half hours of this now.

    I decided to get off the Red Line at Union Station this morning so I could walk past the scene, having seen on TV last night that people were already lining up for the hearing. I was there at around 9:50 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. I had to go to work, so I couldn’t stay there all day.

    Sometimes, one side will concentrate on the U.S. Capitol side of the street, but not this morning. The demonstrators were all on the same side of the street this morning. The pro-cake shop people were to the north of the plaza in front of the Supreme Court, and the pro-LGBT and ACLU people were to the south of the plaza. The sidewalk across the street, on the U.S. Capitol side, held what I guess were amused tourists.

    When I was there for Obergefell, some school groups were trying to make their way through the crowds on the Supreme Court side of the street. The kids got their money’s worth that day.

    The south side is where the media crews set up the cameras to do their after-hearing reporting. It is also where the head of the line of people waiting to sit in on the oral hearings is to be found. At 10:00, the first people in line were ready to enter the building.

    I’ll take a look a look at this later. If I see I’m in there, I’ll let you know. I don’t have any pictures.

    It was worth the detour. It always is.

  • Tomcat

    So lets see now, they are so religious that they don’t want to make a gay persons cake yet they have no problem breaking over half of the ten commandments on a regular basis. Jebus farking crutch.

  • Tomcat

    There was also a time when they would not make cakes for Witches, but all’s good now.

  • Tomcat

    People that worship a imaginary deity that cannot be proven get no cakes from me.
    They are loony.