Roy Moore Accuser Shares New Evidence [VIDEO]

The Washington Post reports:

Debbie Wesson Gibson was in her attic hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations last week when she noticed a storage bin she said she had forgotten about. Inside was a scrapbook from her senior year of high school, and taped to a page titled “Those Who Inspire” was a graduation card.

“Happy graduation Debbie,” it read in slanted cursive handwriting. “I wanted to give you this card myself. I know that you’ll be a success in anything you do. Roy.”

Gibson said that after finding the scrapbook, she was not sure whether to make it public given the threats she received after publication of the original story. Then she heard what Moore said last week, she said, and contacted The Post.

“He called me a liar,” said Gibson, who says she not only openly dated Moore when she was 17 but later joined him in passing out fliers during his campaign for circuit court judge in 1982 and exchanged Christmas cards with him over the years. “Roy Moore made an egregious mistake to attack that one thing — my integrity.”

  • Boreal
    • bkmn

      Due to the poor economy Dollar General is now going into places they never thought they would be able to.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Trump Tower?

      • Miji

        That is my hometown in Iowa. Basically the same population as when I was growing up in the 80s, but generally an older population now. In addition to the poorer economy in regard to wages. There is also the Walmart effect. When I was a kid, there were no Walmarts in the area, but there were Kmarts and other similar stores in other towns 15-20 miles away. My hometown had 2 grocery stores, 2 hardware stores, 3-4 cafes/restaurants, 1 tavern, and 3-4 gas/ service stations as the core elements of it’s service businesses. Now there are 2 Walmarts and a Shopko within 20 miles. In town, there is just a Casey’s convenience store, a Dollar General, a second gas station barely hanging on, and 1 cafe with very limited hours.

        • ColdCountry

          “Why it’s the Model T Ford made the trouble,
          made the people wanna go, wanna get, wanna get,
          wanna get up and go seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve,
          fourteen, twenty-two, twenty-three miles to the county seat

          “Who’s gonna patronize a little bitty two by four kinda store anymore?”

          • Miji

            Haha, yeah, guess this process has been going on for a long time. That was what? 60 years ago?

          • ColdCountry

            I looked it up; it was set in 1912!

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          What town ?
          But yeah, the farm dynamics too. Partner and I sometimes drive around…oh there used to be a farm house ( with barn and 10 other outbuildings ) there, one there and one there – all on the same mile.
          Now, instead of 30 farmers in a township, there are 3.

          • Joe in PA

            And getting HUGE subsidies for growing corn. Damn rich farmers! 🙂 I’m only ‘sort of’ teasing. Have you watched King Corn? Amazing documentary. When our legislators plead for more money for the ‘poor family farms’…there aren’t any. 🙁

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Yeah, I know more about it than I wish I did.

          • Miji

            I’ll just say SE Iowa here. It’s happening to all the little towns it seems. Yes the scale of farming is totally different. In my parents’ immediate area, there are actually more houses, but on little acreages with less barns and outbuildings and all the land is farmed by a handful of people.

      • DaMoldBrok

        They are popping up all over the place, in some of the strangest remote areas.

    • Lazycrockett

      The Baptist are the scariest of them all.

      • j.martindale

        When they believe the talking snake story is real, they will obviously vote Rethug. Baptist=gullible as f*ck.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Nine down votes. Wow. I think that’s the most I’ve seen here.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok


      • BobSF_94117

        And, considering the history of oppression of their religion, they’re probably the most hypocritical sect, except perhaps for Mormons.

    • JackFknTwist

      Hey, we’ve got our own problems with similar Protestant/Presbyterian /Evangelical/ Democratic Unionist Party in Northern iIreland.
      They are all evangelical, born-again, f ucking nutcases……anti gay, homophobic, anti abortion right wing fascists.

      A similar enclave of bitter twisted sexually repressed prudes.

      • katkelly57

        Is that fuck Ian Paisley still breathing?

      • BearEyes

        religion is poison.

        • JackFknTwist

          So true.

      • ChrisMorley

        They helped make yesterday a really bad day for Brit PM Theresa May and her N Ireland Brexit plans.

        Theresa May’s weakness exposed as DUP derails Brexit progress
        – Setback for British PM’s hopes of agreeing deal to move to next phase of talks as unionists refuse to back Irish border plan

        • JackFknTwist

          The DUP did not support May, so they should give back the original 1billion bribe they took when they first gave support.

          And now that May no longer has a majority, without the DUP, there should be an election.

          • ChrisMorley

            But when to have an election, and would this help? Changing government horses in mid stream before the EU Summit on 14 December makes a Hard Brexit disaster almost inevitable.

          • JackFknTwist

            No, quite the contrary. A Labour Govt would stay in the Single Market and in the Customs Union – which would prevent the trade disaster that is about to happen.

            The Referendum was only to leave the EU; the people were never asked about leaving the Customs Union or the Single Market.

            In addition Scotland voted to remain in the EU and so did Northern ireland.
            Yesterday we a situation where 10 Northern Ireland Members of Parliament scuppered the possibility of moving on to Trade Talks of the whole UK.

          • ChrisMorley

            There is unfortunately no guarantee of any Labour majority and even if an election were called today its not certain Labour would obtain a majority to keep the UK within the Market and Customs Union.
            Meanwhile, the Fixed Term Parliaments law requires e.g. a 2/3 majority in the Commons to call an election before early May 2022 and the law then requires a minimum of 25 days between dissolving Parliament and the election.

            The EU Summit on 14 December is a fixed calendar crunch point when the EU will have to decide if negotiations on the 3 critical issues have resolved those enough for the next stage, negotiating a trade deal.
            Yesterday told us that PM May hasn’t even got that sorted. Time is rapidly running out.

          • JackFknTwist

            Point of information:
            Last night there was a meeting of the 1922 Committee – a back bench right wing hard Tory Brexit group.
            They now support the DUP.

            So there is little possibility of any agreement before the December 14th EU deadline.
            Ireland has agreed the text of any agreement. The ball is in the Tory court: agree to the previous wording or no trade Talks.
            If that imposes a hard border in Ireland, that will end the Good Friday Agreement, and the Troubles, Part II ,will begin within a week.

            As for the DUP they should give back the 1 billion bribe that the DUP got for the ‘Confidence & Supply Agreement’ that propped up May since the summer election.
            I believe that if there is a new election, as there must be, Fixed Term , or not, that Labour will win an overall resounding majority.
            The Tories have made such a dogs’ dinner of Brexit that the younger generation are motivated against the Brexit deal selling them down the river.

    • Paula

      Those graphs are very telling. I don’t even have read the words to see what they are saying.

    • clay

      (The upper left map ought to be labeled “Evangelical Protestants” or “Protestant Evangelicals“)

      • D. J.

        or Dominionists.

        • clay

          ummmm, no. Theocrats are more wide-spread than that. It is an (out of date) distribution of (independent?) Evangelical Protestant congregations.

    • I would give a pretty to someone who could find a higher-resolution copy of this image.
      A very pretty.

      • Boreal

        Save and search on tineye or google images.

      • Adam Schmidt

        The largest I found was at

        Problem is that I think it was originally made at a small size. I couldn’t find any large size image where the smaller text was readable.

        • clay

          From the map designs, the VD map original is from the CDC, the two religious groups are using US Census design standards, probably from the Council of Churches (search Adherents.Com) or US Atlas.

          • Adam Schmidt

            If I get some spare time, I may see if I can pull together a better large size composite image from the original sources.

    • The_Wretched

      Conservative political leadership is fail. That chart is the summary evidence.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Needs a Meth map

    • Steverino

      Pretty much corresponds to where most of God’s wrath, er, hurricanes, floods, and tornadoes occur.

    • Mark

      At least in NM, both US Senators and two US Congress members are Democrats. We’re stuck though with a useless twit of a republican governor and equally useless republican member of congress from the SE part of the state.

  • bkmn

    Just saw that Mueller is opposing modification of Manafort’s bail. Good.

    • Now they are. Seemed like they weren’t standing in the way before. Now they’ve seen Manafort has maintained contacts with Russian intelligence and ghost-wrote something for them, even while under house arrest.

      I’m guessing maybe Mueller might go after Manafort’s internet & phone next, perhaps…

      • Correction: He *hired* a ghost-writer connected to Russian intelligence to write something on his behalf, in violation of the existing gag order.

        • “As of Nov 30 2017, Manafort and a colleague were ghostwriting an editorial in English regarding his political work for Ukraine.”

          That colleague is “assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service.”

          They’ve also apparently found problems with the bond surety. Seems Manafort was putting up properties either liable for seizure (money laundering) or which he’d already transferred to family members. And Mueller’s team’s filing objects to the “no ankle monitor” request.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            And Mueller’s team’s filing objects to the “no ankle monitor” request.

            I never knew PM dared ask. Ballsy.

          • I saw the ask for it last week. Manafort wanted freedom to travel between 3 states (not *too* surprising) and no GPS. I hadn’t heard any prosecution objections so I thought maybe it was gonna be accepted. I’d no idea that was simply Manafort’s request and hadn’t been responded to.

            I think he can forget about losing the GPS and just put himself at risk of being thrown in jail pending trial. Attempting to make bail with encumbered real estate is one thing; breaking a gag order is something else entirely.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          So, when I joked last thread that we’d see a “Free Paul Manafort!” op-ed…. it wasn’t a joke.

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            Free Paul Martini’s!

            Ok, I’ll drink anything. 🙂

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Paul Manatini: Vodka, chutzpah, and hand-waving.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        He needed an excuse, and he got one.

        • Yep. I read through the filing and Muller’s peeps are clearly PO’d to the max. They do not want to give him a chance to flee and leave the feds holding nothing but property they would’ve seized anyway and/or which it otherwise encumbered by mortgages or was already signed over to other people.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Lock him up in the Hot Chicks Room!

          • jerry

            That, and I’m pretty sure that most of his US property is mortgaged for more than it’s worth. He used laundered money to buy property cheap, then turned around and mortgaged it, through Russia-connected banks, for more than its value.

          • Joe in PA

            I doubt they would take ‘mortgaged” property as bail. If his equity in those places doesn’t equal the bail amount…Mueller et al isn’t as bright as we’d hoped. 🙁

          • What we heard last week was Manafort’s lawyer’s offer for bail amendment. Hadn’t been accepted by Mueller’s team.

            Today is their response and it’s a resounding “Fuck no.”

          • Joe in PA

            Yay. That really was a pretty outrageous request…someone like him sure seems to be a TREMENDOUS flight risk.

            Here, let me give you some worthless properties…let me take this ankle thing off. Sure Jan.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Or more desperate than we dared hope.

            Wasn’t his whole reason to be in on US politics that he had failed to come through on previous agreements for shenanigans with his Russian paymasters?

            Peas in a pod….

          • Yep. Three problems they IDd:
            1. Property has loans against them, so value is in question
            2. Some isn’t even in Manafort’s name now due to his trying to keep it from being seized
            3. Mueller’s charges likely would result in anything tainted by money laundering being seized…including potentially these properties

    • bkmn
    • Paula

      Rich, white man. He should be allowed bail but, be chained to a pipe in the basement of his house.

      • Todd20036

        Sigh. Oh to be in NYC in the 90s again…

      • RJ Bone

        Unless it’s raining outside 😉 Then outside.

  • To be clear: YES IT WAS LEGAL FOR HIM TO DATE HER. Even though it’s still pervy as fuck for him to do so.

    Ms. Gibson’s point was Moore is LYING when he says he didn’t know any of the women he dated when they were in their teens. She was offended by the fact he now denies ever dating anyone back then or even knowing them. And worse, calling all of them liars.

    Basically, when Moore, his wife and all their political surrogates began saying “those women are all liars” — Gibson took it personally and believed it was also being thrown at her.

    • Treant

      I suppose that’s valid, but even I interpreted their liars claim as covering the illegal ones.

      Nobody cares, nor should care…nor, frankly, has any right to care, about a consensual relationship between two legal adults.

      • 17 isn’t legally an adult. Sure, it’s above the age of consent, but she’s still not an adult — and shame on her parents for letting her date a man twice her age.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Whats the point of consent laws if 18 is the universal/federal age?

          • Treant

            Exactly. We now need to let 18 year olds drink and smoke, too, by this definition.

          • Joe in PA

            I think for two 16 y/olds. Once one of them turns 18 it becomes “corrupting a minor”. Some states have “close in age” exceptions.

        • Treant

          Uh, it’s legally a full adult when dealing with a consensual sexual relationship. She is an adult in that particular definition.

          For the same reason, we consider 18 legal for most things…but now I should claim they’re not fully adult because they can’t legally drink? That makes no sense.

          And technically, her parents have no say and no real power over who she dates at 17, save by threatening to disown her, remove her from the house, or restrict her in some other way for engaging in a legal relationship.

          Also…did you just blame her parents? Because that’s actually a really cheap blow. So far, it’s everybody’s “fault” except hers, save that there’s no fault. It was a legal relationship and she is above the age of discretion and considered capable of making an adult decision in this regard at that time.

          • Yes, I blamed her parents. It’s a shitty parent who lets their 17yo daughter date a man twice her age. I’m entitled to my opinions on this.

            In case you were wondering, I firmly believe the age of consent should be raised to 18. I’m sorry if that ruins any experiences you yourself may have had.

          • Treant

            That’s too bad. Consider yourself fortunate that I don’t respond the way others have when accusing me of victim blaming, but I actually have some manners.

            Good day to you, and bless your heart.

          • JCF

            Time-Out Time!

          • Treant

            Don’t. Start.

        • another_steve

          Lots and lots of 17 year olds are more with-it than are lots and lots of 50 year olds. To say a 17 year old is “not an adult” is a losing argument, Becca. As well as demeaning to many 17 year olds. Imo.

          The issue, I think, is whether any relationship she had with Moore was 100 percent consensual or not. Some will find the age difference between the two unsettling, but as others are saying here, that alone doesn’t make the relationship illegal.

          • If a 17yo commits a murder, they’re usually tried as a juvenile. Sorry, it’s not a losing argument, not from a legal perspective.

          • Treant

            Sorry, that’s not what we’re discussing; the state of Alabama, and many others, have chosen the age of seventeen (or younger) as the age of discretion. That is not the age at which we charge someone as an adult (which varies and is at prosecutorial discretion anyway). Additionally, the age at which we charge as an adult is also frequently political,, an accusation we don’t wish to levy at discretionary age even though you seem to want to cast this as, somehow, politically relevant and illegal on some level.

            Becca, I now think so much less of your reasoning capabilities than I have previously. This appears to be a blind spot for you, a very wide one.

          • BobSF_94117

            The purpose of an age of consent law set at 16 is to allow for the possibility of agency on the part of a 16yo or older. And it’s reasonable because quite a few 16yos are mature enough to make their own choices.

            BUT, legality aside, it’s not a license to troll the malls and public parks and hit on all 16yos. We are free to evaluate that sort of behavior for what it is. And very few people find it irrelevant.

          • Treant

            And yet there would be, legally, nothing wrong with pursuing relationships with 16 year olds if that’s your fancy.

            Trolling could rise to harassment, which is separately illegal, of course, so that’s not necessarily allowable.

            The point being, there’s nothing legally wrong with it. The methodology might be off, but, as you noted, they’ve set the legal point at 16.

          • BobSF_94117

            “Nothing wrong”. Well, nothing illegal, sure.

            There’s still “something wrong” with it in most people’s minds. It’s hard to not see it as predatory. Maybe he hit on every teen girl in sight and only seriously tried to date the mature ones. The accusations that he coerced girls into touching his dick when she didn’t want to suggests he didn’t hone in on the mature, self-confident types.

            He could, of course, openly declare that he sought out barely legal girls and explain why, how many, for how long, to what end. So far, not much in that dept except that anyone complaining about it is anti-Southern.

          • Treant

            Again…apparently not, because that’s where the age of discretion is set. And this argument won’t hold sway with any guy who’s ever searched for “barely legal girls”-type porn.

            Given…some members’…penchant for posting photos of young fellows who aren’t over (or not much over) the 20-mark, I’m going to tentatively say that few give a shit.

          • gaycuckhubby

            If we want to set the universal age at 18 for adulthood thats fine with me… (I like daddys and wasn’t sexually active until my 20s)

            But then just get rid of age of consent laws and have all adult activities be legal at 18. Sex, drinking, driving, smoking, marrying.

            Consent laws under 18 are just confusing and muddy the waters

          • BobSF_94117

            On a side note, I believe it’s quite rare for a 17yo NOT to be tried as an adult in murder cases.

          • Galvestonian

            A 17 year old in the 50’s or even the 60’s is certainly NOT the same as one of the same age today. Parents were different back then and so were most teenagers.

            When I was a kid the worst thing you could do was chew gum in class. Today … it’s what ??? …shooting up in class ?

          • edrex

            actually, it’s shooting up a class.

          • another_steve


            The average 17 year old today is quite savvy and quite experienced. They’ve grown up with the internet and with social media. They’re far from isolated or insulated.

            As you say, Galvestonian, it was different when you and I were growing up.

      • BobSF_94117

        It’s one thing to care or not care about a legal relationship. It’s quite another to evaluate an apparent lie that the relationship never existed.

        Honesty is one of the few things we have to judge pols on (except for those of us who care about policy — and even then, if he lies about one thing…).

    • Bryan

      “[S]he publicly dated Moore when she was 17 and he was 34, a relationship she said she ‘wore like a badge of honor’ until she began reevaluating it in light of the accounts of other women, and now, Moore’s own denials.”

      • Simply put, Gibson felt like he (and his supporters) were calling HER a liar for ever saying he’d never dated any teens and any woman now saying he did was a liar.

        Took it personal, she did.

    • Cattleya1

      there really is a good reason for the statutory rape laws. No 17 year old should be in the crosshairs of a 34 year old. Their brains are 8 – 16 years away from being mature. He was simply a predator.

  • PickyPecker
  • fastlanestranger

    Gosh, I wonder why women don’t come forward after they’re assaulted?

    • Treant

      (tugs sleeve) She makes no claim of assault, illegal activity, or anything but a slightly odd, but entirely above-board relationship.

      Now if we’re going to blame somebody for a completely legal and consensual relationship between two adults, I’d tentatively postulate that any blame (zero) should be apportioned between the two equally. You can certainly disagree with the line of where they set legal/not legal, but…good luck with that. Federal law already covers it.

      But hey, male, so what do I know, right?

      • clay

        She does blame getting DEATH THREATS after coming forward for her reluctance to say anything more.

        • Treant

          …Which were not generated by Moore and she still claims no assault from Moore.

          It’s too bad she got threats, but I’m also not going to call an accusation against a running Senate candidate anything close to a normal experience.

          • clay

            No, this isn’t anything close to a normal experience, but is the one that’s highly visible, so it matters what it communicates to women in more “normal” instances of actual sexual assault.

          • Treant

            Again, that has no application here; not pursuing and prosecuting the threats would, of course, be wrong and worth calling out. People aren’t saints, we know that.

            But since it’s not Moore, we can’t attach this one to him. He’s not the one issuing threats–nor have I seen any even faintly backhanded manner in which he’s suggested his followers should.

          • clay

            It’s not about Moore. The question you responded to was about why women would hesitate coming forward– because they can clearly see that if they even stand up for themselves as being honest, they’ll be attacked anonymously by multiple attackers. How much more would they be attacked without the protection of the public eye and if they made larger claims of assault or rape?

          • Treant

            And my point was that said question simply had no application vis a vis Moore. Yours is that it does. Plus that being in the public eye is somehow helping, whereas I vehemently disagree.

            Stipulated. We don’t agree. And I don’t think either is going to convince the other.

          • clay

            But let me try this again:
            Why wouldn’t women come forward after they’re assaulted?
            Because they can see that even if they’re merely claiming to have dated, even when they have the light of public inquiry on the case, they can expect multiple death threats. How much MORE will they have to fear if they stand up for themselves as they claim they were assaulted, while still back in the shadows, where they were assaulted?

            This case doesn’t have to be a perfect analogy for two reasons. 1) Survivors, tend to universalize their trauma, seeing it everywhere in every setting (They also tend to individuate, consider themselves to be alone. The challenge of counseling to go to neither extreme). 2) She’s making a claim, not of assault, but of slander. If the media message is that women lie, there’s less hope in coming out.

      • fastlanestranger

        I know, and you’re correct, but imagine how much more difficult it is to convince people you were raped or fondled when claims of being hit on are ignored.

        • Treant

          I’m sorry, I’m unable to see the connection. I’d be willing to ignore a claim of hit on (under legal circumstances without coercion, that goes without saying). Other claims do require proof (we’ve got some issues of veracity already with some claims), but not more (in fact, less) than a claim of being hit on.

          Well, no matter, that’s just me.

  • gaycuckhubby

    I don’t think accuser is the right word for a legal consensual relationship. No matter how icky it makes me feel. And it does!

    I think much like the shirtless gym story, this will feel like piling on by the liberal media to most Alabama voters

    • bkmn

      In this case she is accusing him now of lying about their relationship.

    • The_Wretched

      oh so icky!! yes, good concern!

  • Lawerence Collins
  • Treant

    It’s legal, it’s not going to move the needle on the election (except maybe in the direction we don’t want), and you may or may not find it it creepy…but that has no significance to the law or to seating a Senator.

  • greenmanTN

    I hope the amubulatory liver spot Roy Moore keels over. I don’t wish death on him. Locked In Syndrome would be good though, so long as he’s in a facility that keeps MSNBC on 24 hours a day.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    “Happy Graduation Debbie…”

    SICK!!!! PUPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Natty Enquirer

    Moore, Moore, Moore. How do you like it? Not so much. Can’t wait for the damned election to be over.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Well if you want to know, how I really feel…..

  • another_steve

    A Senator Moore will – if there are any Democratic strategists left these days – become the face of the Republican Party. Their poster boy.

    The Democrats’ campaign ads next fall – all around the country – could be amazing.

    • AdamTh

      Sadly, the Dems will NOT make ol’ Roy that poster boy…..

      • AmeriCanadian

        Even as all this is handed to them on a platter…

      • GlennF

        Of course they won’t. They’re still suffering from what Obama suffered from: the irrational fear of fighting fire with fire.

    • Oh, I think Cheeto Shitler has made himself the face already. Moore is just another one just like him: Sexual predator who thinks he can ignore whatever laws he feels like ignoring.

    • Nax

      Having Moore as the face of the Republican party would not harm them. I read an column in my little Michigan hometown paper today where the author, believing himself as the epitome of middle of the road, parroted all of Trumps tweets from the last few weeks. Trump tweets it, his followers believe it. They adjust their view of reality to fit what he says.

      • Cackalaquiano

        “They adjust their view of reality to fit what he says.”

      • another_steve

        The deplorables aren’t the point. They’re mindless and for the most part captives of their preachers who every Sunday tell them what to believe and what not to. They’re lost to reason.

        Independent voters are a different matter. They can be swayed by reason. So too moderate Republicans, though polling suggests they might be a dying breed.

        • Nax

          Steve, I love you and your optimism. But this sickness extends beyond the deplorables. The independents and moderates who voted for Trump will vote for Trump again, and Moore, and more like them. They are all lost to reason. And they win even when our side gets more votes than their side. Moore is becoming a hero to them.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    she needs to hire a body guard

  • Lazycrockett
  • boobert

    The age of consent is 16 even in NJ. I it really legal to have sex with a 16 yo? I never knew that. I guess because I’m 63 and have no desire for chicken, unless it’s chicken parm.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Chicken Scallopini sweetie.

      • canoebum

        Chicken Marsala. Yum.

    • kareemachan

      At least in some states it depends on the age of the partner: if they are close together in age (2 years, in some, from what I read) it is not as heinous as, say, a 34 yo and 14 yo.

      PS – Chevre-&-spinach stuffed chicken breasts

    • RJ Bone

      In some states it can go even younger with parental consent.

  • Gigi

    Con “logic” — Weinstein accusers, Spacey accusers, Franker accusers andLauer accusers: 100% believable. Trump and Moore accusers: LYING WHORES!

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Lumpy Gaga

      These people should be testifying in Boris-and-Natasha accents already.

    • Treant

      Shocker. Now let’s see that charged and her jailed.

      (crickets, so far)

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Treant

      It should cost him, but probably won’t.

      For this reason, I have absolutely no assurance that Mueller ever manages to successfully charge or prosecute anybody up the chain of command.

  • Apparently there are lots here who think it’s perfectly fine for a 34yo man to date a 16-17yo teenage girl. None of you seem to understand the sexually predatory and exploitive nature of those kinds of relationships, not from the female perspective. For that reason, I’m out of here.

    • Treant

      It is a pity that you are unable to create a logical argument to defend your view and have simply chosen to leave rather than be challenged in your opinion. Good evening.

      • Boreal

        I have no idea what she is talking about.

        • Treant

          Long story short, and to my understanding, she thinks it’s icky and that this proves Moore was having sex with underage children* and lied about it due to a shortcutted blanket statement that can’t be reasonably expected to include every possible exception (and that nobody is going to care that it failed to include every possible exception).

          She doesn’t like that it’s legal, which is fine, but can’t quite get why some of us are defending a legal action as not significant in terms of the Senate seat–and, frankly, hella nitpicky.

          * He was, I’m sure, but this is not proof of it.

          • Boreal
          • Treant


            Just for fun, and since it’s good brain exercise in December when I’m naturally a little slow, I ran that to its logical conclusion:

            A board of agents must be created to evaluate every relationship between two people to determine that there is no significant imbalance of power, monitary imbalance (which can lead to imbalance of power), nor imbalance in any emotional standing between the parties.

            Yeah, and who gets to be the arbiter of that? One guess, because I’d be extremely permissive and would refuse to serve anyway as None Of My Fucking Business.

            She did argue below that the age of discretion should be 18, but some don’t graduate until 19. So that wouldn’t be good enough and we’d keep slipping that down the line every time we decided we didn’t like the power imbalance.

            Out of college? First job? So…why does anybody feel that, after a certain base level, they get to decide that?

            That’s complete bullshit.

    • KarenAtFOH

      Oh no! Please pay them no mind. You’re a hugely valuable voice for me here, and I would really really hate for you not to be here with your great insight and spirit.

      • Treant

        Honestly, GBCW posts are a beg for attention and agreement when somebody’s been out-argued and amount to an online tantrum They deserve approximately zero positive attention.

        If I made one, I might very well get dozens of reinforcing opinions showing me the door. :-p But you guys should be so lucky, and I do have a rare admirer.

    • gaycuckhubby

      I for one don’t think it’s “fine”
      But legal.

      I really dont want to lose your voice here.
      I’m sorry if my responses were in any way personal.

      • Treant

        I’m not. Honestly, people, expect to get called on being logic-poor when you’re logic-poor. You’ll be doing me a favor if you do the same to me.

        Just don’t get annoyed when I tell you that I’m fully aware it’s an inconsistency and quote Emerson, “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,” or take time to lay out the list of exceptions that lead to it. Reality_Bites does that to me all the time and it’s rather amusing.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      I was just painted with a broad brush that I didn’t deserve.

    • JCF

      ???? What????

      Who? What???

    • William

      I had a friend in high school was was murdered by such a creep. She was actually in 8th grade, taking two high school classes. The guy was the typical creep, around 30. He looked the part of the man cast in the Lifetime TV movie of such a story. He became the helpful oddball who would give her rides. One day she went missing. Police went to his house and asked his mother about her (he lived with his mother). His mother didn’t know nothing, didn’t see anything, didn’t know where her son was. After Jennifer had been missing about five days, police came back with a warrant. The cops went to the garage. His mother didn’t want the cops going in there. When an officer removed her from the doorway, she broke down saying her son’s car was in the garage. As soon as the cops opened the garage door, they knew there was a body in the car.

      The murderer got twenty years. That was 35 years ago. I still don’t like older creeps hanging around young girls.

    • JCF


      I hear you. For me, the oh-so-refreshing Killfile app enables me to give the occasional JMG regular the time-out they need, to consider their @ssholery. Come on back, Becca, when you can.

      Listen up, those of you who had sex as teens, w/ adults 5 or more years older than you: there is no time machine here! Your experiences, good/bad/indifferent, are immutable. To say that exploitive @sshole adults who have sex w/ teens should be NAMED, SHAMED and (when possible) ARRESTED, doesn’t affect your own youth. ‘kay?

  • Tomcat

    This makes me sick. If only humanity had not been killed we could all agree this is sick, all of us.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Off topic, but we literally lost 40 degrees today ! Never to be seen again !!!

    • Joe in PA

      and still O/T…when I would visit my elderly parents in MN at Christmas time…there would occasionally be a 100 degree ambient temperature difference between the outside temp -20 and the inside temp +80. Ugh.

      • Treant

        We have the same parents? My mom keeps her place so hot I can barely breathe.

        It’s currently 67.5 in my office and I find it perfectly comfortable. Even a tad warm.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          ^^THIS ^^ I literally gag at mom & dad’s house. 80 is chilly to them

          • Joe in PA

            And my mom would sit in her recliner with a shawl draped over her legs. ARRRGGGHHH. 😉

            (but now I have a recliner and I love it)

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Lol me too.

            ( & a blanky )

          • Treant

            I hate being hot. That kind of hot.

          • CB

            And can we talk about TV volume? With the heat when my dad was still alive it was all I could do not to go bonkers.

          • Paula

            You’d like our house, we keep it at 60 in the winter.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Nice !

      • gaycuckhubby

        Lol! Same here!

      • Silver Badger

        As people age, they feel the cold more severely. I manage a couple of condo buildings and my older residents are VERY sensitive to the cold. (i.e. below 80.)

        • Joe in PA

          Oh, I know. When my dad was near the end, my mom kept the house at 80…after he died, she moved the temp down. When it was her turn…up went the temp. 🙂

          • William

            My grandfather always kept his house ice cold. The last time I visited him he was living in Pensacola. Being August, I didn’t pack a winter wardrobe. I nearly froze.

            After he died, my step-grandmother always kept the windows open until summer really hit. She was born and raised in Holland Michigan.

        • William

          I manage cold much better than heat the older I get. Maybe it comes from too many years in Texas. I can hardly go outside when it is above 90. On the other hand, I’ve walked around in a t-shirt in Europe when the temperature is below freezing. That was after spending a week farther east with temps around 0 F. If the wind isn’t blowing I don’t need a parka.

          • Silver Badger

            Wanna buy a Condo in Colorado?

          • William

            I want to be cool, not frozen. My sister lives near Salem Oregon. We have talked about going there but I freak when I look at real estate prices. Perhaps I could get a nice cardboard box out in the pasture behind her house.

          • Silver Badger

            The cost of living in Colorado is outrageous.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        Oh, I do miss that.

        • Joe in PA

          Said no one, ever. 🙂

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            I miss all parts of Minnesota. When my husband retires, we plan on moving back there.

          • Joe in PA

            Cool..where are you now? We’ve given that some thought as a post-retirement place. 🙂 Some place on the river … Stillwater? We visited last summer and went to a new trail/park in Hastings.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            I live in the San Gabriel Valley outside Los Angeles.

          • Joe in PA

            Oh boy…there is gonna be some cultural and weather-related changes in store for you. 🙂

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            That happened when I moved from Minneapolis.

    • Treant

      Well, never to be seen again until next time. :-p

  • gaycuckhubby
    • JCF

      …and that’s EXACTLY what the Senate Rethugs will say, when seating Moore in the US Senate. [Still hoping Jones wins. ]

  • normadesmond

    It’s a sad day when I recognize that piece of shit’s handwriting.

    • gaycuckhubby

      if they seat him quickly enough he’ll have time to use that handwriting as the final version of the tax bill

  • DesertSun59

    This latest revelation, if anyone in AL actually ever finds out about it, will cause his poll numbers to go thru the roof. Already, his entire AL base is in love with HIS lies and denies the facts in this case.

    • Clive Johnson

      Exactly. Perversely, the more evidence accumulates against him, the greater his innocence according to these Bible-bangers.

      • TonberryPi

        I guess that’s what happens when your religion has no evidence. The concept of evidence at all is deception to them, in that sick opposite-land of the mind where they dwell.

  • coram nobis

    Rude Pundit ponders Alabama and Roy Moore, today.

    Take it away, Rudy.

    But, yeah, you don’t have to say it again, Alabama’s Moore voters. Abortion is far more important. Fetus protection outweighs the harm Moore likely did to an already-born human girl. That’s how you roll, and it’s disgusting and perverse and you should be ashamed, but you’re not. That shit’s a given at this point. You’re proudly voting for Moore or against Doug Jones. You are so goddamn please with your ignorance that if someone said that Moore ass-fucked a herd of goats, you’d holler, “What did the goats have to say? Nothing, I bet.”

    Still, I said I had a question for you, Alabama. And it’s a pretty simple one: Would you hire Roy Moore? Not for Senate. Would you hire Roy Moore to work, say, in your restaurant? Perhaps as a greeter at Cracker Barrel? No, let’s go even further here …

  • Charles Nelson

    Roy Moore’s forgerer must be making a good living going around signing all of those year books, cards etc of his accusers.

  • Henry Auvil

    I haz a America sadz. It’s over.

  • JCF

    Breaking: you’ll all be shocked, SHOCKED to hear that the national Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee is getting BACK into the Alabama Senate race to support Roy Moore.