Trump To Staffers: Do This But Don’t Tell John Kelly

The Wall Street Journal reports:

Chief of Staff John Kelly over the past five months has imposed discipline and rigorous protocols on a freewheeling White House. But President Donald Trump has found the loopholes.

The president on occasion has called White House aides to the private residence in the evening, where he makes assignments and asks them not tell Mr. Kelly about the plans, according to several people familiar with the matter. At least once, aides have declined to carry out the requested task so as not to run afoul of Mr. Kelly, one of these people said.

The president, who values counsel from an informal group of confidants outside the White House, also sometimes bypasses the normal scheduling for phone calls that give other White House staff, including Mr. Kelly, some control and influence over who the president talks to and when.

The WSJ goes on to report that some of Trump’s friends are using Melania to pass along messages that wouldn’t get past John Kelly.

  • hdtex
  • another_steve

    This, literally, is a mob criminal ring operating out of the White House. With Trump at its head.

    Unreal. Surreal.

    • Todd20036

      I can believe it. What I cannot believe is the number of Americans who are ok with this because Jesus/white privilege/money.

      I thought we were better than this. I truly did.

      • JackFknTwist

        I’m sorry to have to tell you, but you were the only ones who believed in “American Exceptionalism”.
        It made no sense outside the US bubble.

        • Chucktech

          Yeah, another American quirk we can be so fucking proud of…

          Especially now…

          • JackFknTwist

            Each country has its good and bad, progressive /regressive movements; I think it is just cycles as to what crowd are in the ascendant.
            At the moment in the USA the conservative backward looking crowd have risen; that may be a combination of demographics and a complacent young generation who have not been politicised.

            The younger people need to find the taste of power through the ballot box, when they do I think things will move forward. They have the progressive attitudes, they need to flex some electoral muscle.

          • another_steve

            Good points, Jack.

            There needs to be a revitalization of the Democratic Party. To a large extent, that’s how Barack Obama became President. Younger people mobilized and made it happen. Hillary Clinton represented “yesterday’s politics.” I don’t think she was able to mobilize the younger vote as much as she could have.

            Has to do, imo, with the general assumption (which I shared too) that there was absolutely no chance that Donald Trump would win.

            The idea of a “President Trump” seemed ludicrous and impossible to the vast vast majority of political observers.

          • David Walker

            Not just the majority of political observers; the majority of voters, too.

          • another_steve

            I’m vaguely remembering (someone can correct me if I’m wrong) that even Nate Silver – political prognosticator supreme – predicted a Clinton victory.

            As I recall, he wasn’t 100 percent certain, as others were, but he predicted she’d win.

          • Sporkfighter

            I remember Nate warning us not to be complacent, that Trump would do far better than anyone expected and could well win.

          • Paddycakes2001

            A little bit more subtle than that. His final view was that Trump had a 29% chance — or that he’d win approx. once if the election were held 3 times:

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/

          • JackFknTwist

            Even Bernie Sanders showed that young people , enthusiastic for radical change, are out there, they are ready to mobilize, as you say. But they need a defined agenda – and that is called an ” Election Manifesto” in the Parliamentary systems.
            Does the Democratic Party have an “Election Manifesto” ?
            Is the Democratic Party ready to commit itself to radical, determined social change?
            Take for example . is it prepared to legislate to somehow reverse ‘Citizens United’ ?
            Without that basic reform the ancien regime will prevail.

            Of course they also need a leader who can blow up the entrenched interests. That’s more difficult. What ONE is not in the pockets of the big lobbyists ?
            Who is uncompromised ?
            Trump/turd boasted that he was using his own wealth, – what a load of sshite. But it was a good ploy – it convinced the ‘drain the swamp’ crowd.

            To get support from the progressive youth you need a convincing programme for change.

          • another_steve

            Agree.

            A sort of stagnancy has set in among Democratic Party elite. It’s amazed me how relatively sheepish congressional Democratic leaders have been during this Republican “tax reform” sham. Tepid statements of disapproval when there should have been massive demonstrations held all over the country with all the Democratic Party luminaries as keynote speakers.

            To be honest, Jack, sucks to be an American today.

          • JackFknTwist

            I was thinking that if that Tax Act had been proposed in France, Paris and the rest of the country would have rioted and burned the place to the ground.

          • Man_in_the_mists

            There a reason the boomers shit on the millenials and tell them they’re worthless at every opportunity.

      • FAEN

        To be fair he won because of a sliver but I get your point. It’s distressing.

      • David Walker

        We were. Once. I’m sure I remember. I’m sure I’m not making it up.

        • meh. this country is interesting and special and has and had nice things in it. but as a female LGBT person of color, i can say that “the good old days” weren’t so good for many of us.

          • JackFknTwist

            “the Good Old Days” were an illusion on any level you care to mention.

          • thatotherjean

            They were. “The Good Old Days” were never good for everybody. Still, there were recent periods when times were better for more people than they are now, or than they will be in the future if Trump stays in office.

          • JackFknTwist

            Economically, working people seem to have stagnated wages, higher utility costs, higher health care costs coming and little prospect of rising wages…….yet Trump/turd boasts of a record high Stock Exchange.

            Trump/turd is telling you, the people of the United States, two well worn shibolliths :
            “You never had it so good”………..Harold Macmillan
            “Let them eat cake.”…………………Marie Antoinette.

          • thatotherjean

            True that.

          • David Walker

            As only one of the categories you mention, I concur completely. Even Carly Simon revealing “These are the good old days” doesn’t ring entirely true. “Olden days”, yes. “Good old days”? It depends on what one chooses to remember. Nevertheless, I do think we were better than what we have become.

          • Really? You think we were better “back in the day”?

            Reasons for me saying, no.

            Racism was unhidden and overt.
            Women had only a few accepted professions, nurse, teacher secretary, shop clerk. Waitresses were seen as being only a tiny step above whore.
            It was illegal to be LGBT and quite often tossed in jail after being brutally beaten.

          • David Walker

            Drat! I didn’t write it right, but as “good old days” don’t exist, I think we nevertheless do have our own parts of Back Then which were good. I’m sorry I sound like I’m insensitive, because I’m not. It was not fun to be yelled at, have stuff thrown at me, cursed as a ni–er lover, called a traitor, first to my race and then to my country, and to see images on TV of people treated substantially worse, which only heightened my resolve to try to do something. I think that having a sense of purpose, trying to do the right thing, putting myself on the line, demonstrating my unwillingness to let things continue in a country that promised better were the way I saw the ’60s and ’70s. That was also the time when I started being harassed by The Good People at college because I was gay and The Truly Religious In Training saw that as reason and justification to attack. It gave me an admittedly vague understanding of what people of color were going through; today’s POC will scoff and rightly so. College was an education, all right…taught me how to be suspicious of everybody and how to self-medicate. I also had a few really good friends after college and enjoyed a lot of truly wonderful music. BUT it and the times put me to a test that I now think I passed, and in that regard I think FOR ME there was some good in the good old days. Generally, though, you and CD are quite right.

          • Oh! Yes, I totally agree, we each of us have “good old days” where the living felt right, and our hearts were happy.

            My “good old days” were the summers I spent with my paternal grandmother. She taught me to bake yeast breads and rolls, how to can, freeze or make jam out of the things we had grown in the garden. I spent long lazy hours sitting in my favorite apple tree with a book, or just daydreaming. Dawn mornings sitting on the back step, watching the sun rise with a cup of hot tea and a slice of homemade butter bread. Peaceful, slow moving, quiet days.

          • Acronym Jim

            Ah, yes. The good old days. I was trying to find an ad from the gay nineties and point out that they always leave out the untreatable prevaccine diseases, but this is more recent and poignant.

            http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/01/article-2617868-1D7E50DB00000578-408_634x750.jpg

          • Sporkfighter

            Even if you were a white male, the “good old days” were only good if you didn’t mind riding on the backs of everyone else who wasn’t a white male. You could say a lot of white men didn’t realize others were carrying their share of the load, but many did and all should have.

            The corallary to “keep ’em in their place” is “keep ’em out of my place”.

      • another_steve

        The only way I can explain why Trump is President today is that we all miscalculated:

        (1) the extent to which Trump and his cronies would employ criminal means to win in November (Russia);

        (2) the extent of misogyny in this country (Hillary = woman = bad); and

        (3) the extent of racism in this country (“no more Obama, let’s have a white man now / keep people of color out of the U.S.”).

        • Gustav2

          And how much marriage equality scared the Evangelicals so a promise of Dominionist judges would allow them to vote for Trump.

          • another_steve

            Good point. That should have been my #4.

            It’s clear that the theofascists received assurances early on that Trump would appoint theofascist judges to the federal bench.

            Why else would they have supported a thrice-married man who’s on tape bragging about grabbing pussy?

          • Ninja0980

            Trump made it a point to talk about the type of judges he would appoint.
            Too bad our side didn’t.

          • Ninja0980

            As to marriage equality, we shouldn’t have been shocked by that.
            Look at the war they’ve waged since Roe V Wade.
            Did anyone really think the bigots who wage war on us for $$$ and religious beliefs were simply going to give up?

      • canoebum

        It’s humiliating to watch, isn’t it?

      • SoCalGal20

        Also answers the question of how Nazi Germany happened.

    • FAEN

      Specially coming after 8 years of Obama.

  • bkmn
  • greenmanTN

    Great. Our POTUS operates like a sneaky toddler when mommy’s back is turned.

    • another_steve

      The good news is that reports suggest that some White House staffers are disgusted by what they observe day-to-day. All it’ll take is for one of them to decide to cash in. To step forward and tell her/his story.

      And won’t that be fun.

      • Lakeview Bob

        I expect some of them are going to start singing real soon as the investigation closes in.

        • Todd20036

          I suspect Another Steve will be at MAL buying bondage equipment and maybe even a cage…

          for research purposes.

          • another_steve

            Yeah… and you recite the Rosary when you’re alone with your sexual fantasy objects.

            I know your type.

            Slut.

        • coram nobis

          Singing? They’ll need to hold the hearings at the Met. There’ll be more singing than a Verdi opera.

          • Uncle Mark

            “INDICTMENT” the musical

          • coram nobis

            Il Trumpatore.

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          • Gerry Fisher

            A sequel to “Complicit”?!

          • perversatile

            My god, what have I done?
            Donald Trump as David Byrne in
            “Once in a Lifetime”
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSuregWhlWk

          • another_steve
          • thatotherjean

            How do you defend yourself over an activity that may or may not have happened 30 years ago? Unless there are more credible accusations, I don’t think this should put a kink in his career. People do make things up.

          • another_steve

            The insidious nature of all this is that we’re in a sort of “Salem Witch Hunt” societal/historical phase in which an allegation is tantamount to proven guilt. Also, some people will do and say anything for money. Absolutely. Anything. Plus, there are lots and lots of people out there with evil intent to destroy careers.

            We all need to proceed with caution in this area, imo.

          • Sporkfighter

            Indeed. When the accusation is enough, there will be people who will lie for profit, for revenge, for 15 minutes of fame. They may be in the minority, even the vanishingly small minority, but there will be enough to destroy people and to call into question all the real cases of abuse.

          • marshlc

            I’m not really seeing allegations being taken as tantamount to proven guilt, though. For the most part, we’re seeing calls for investigation, or statements like with Lauer, where they say they’ve looked into the accusations and they seem credible. And god knows accusations against figures on the right are met with “Lies, all lies!”

            Yes, a lot of allegations are coming all at once, but that does not mean it’s necessarily a witch hunt. It could mean, and I suspect it mostly does mean, that victims are seeing that maybe there’s some damn point in telling what happened to them, after all – something that has not often been the case in the past.

            We do have to make sure that claims are investigated, that one claim from thirty years ago does not, by itself, ruin a career. But it is not a tragedy when those who have consistently preyed upon others throughout their lives are finally getting some negative consequences. Accusations being taken seriously, and investigated, is the opposite of a witch hunt.

          • Librarykid

            As long is there is no ballet.

      • sword

        They all have had to sign non-disclosure agreements. After telling their stories…they will have many years and mountains of legal fees fighting Our Glorius Leaders lawyers.

        • The_Wretched

          I doubt the legal validity of a NDA on a government employee.

          • another_steve

            I imagine that federal employee whistleblower protections would kick in.

          • lymis

            Especially if there’s a subpoena involved…

          • thatotherjean

            Even without it (unless you’re Jared Kushner or Jeff Sessions, apparently).

          • Bob Conti

            Exactly.

          • Sporkfighter

            Lying to the FBI is a felony. Everyone knows that now. That alone invalidates an NDA for anyone interviewed by Mueller.

        • SelectFromWhere

          …which we’ll all pay the tab for.

      • Sporkfighter

        I doubt many will sing until called for an interview where they know lying is a felony or unless they have the name recognition to sell a book. What’s their up-side?

        Better to be generally anonymous moving forward than forever tied to the shit-stain that is the Trump administration. What career could they look forward too after alienating all the reasonable people by joining the Trump shit-show, alienating all the unreasonable people by selling out the Trump shit-show?

        If it were me, I’d resign “to take care of pressing family matters” and hope to be forgotten.

        • another_steve

          I have this secret little fantasy that sustains me during moments of Trump-related depression.

          I fantasize that some White House staffers – fearing that they’d otherwise be caught up in the wave of indictments to come – have stepped forward and agreed to cooperate with Mueller and his people.

          That these staffers are wearing “wires.” Recording closed-door White House discussions.

          A boy can dream, no? 😉

          • Sporkfighter

            …and body cams. It would be fitting to make it into a reality show.

          • gothambear

            Some of them keep giving emails and detailed info to the NYT and WaPo so your dream is not too far off…

      • Gerry Fisher

        The one-year mark is popular for resignations (and subsequent interviews and tell-all books).

        • McSwagg

          Perhaps we’ll have a true Epiphany this holiday season?

      • Galvestonian

        I don’t think I have enough popcorn.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      I hope they are watching the cookie jar. If he gets any bigger, he’s not going to fit in the presidential helicopter.

    • JackFknTwist

      I see that now/today Trump/turd is telling us that the FBI is the worst it has ever been.
      And Trump/turd could do so much better.

      I’m afraid we are now beyond ‘delusion’; we are now talking psychotic hallucinations.
      This puppy needs psychiatric intervention.

    • Chucktech

      More like a kingpin doin’ time in the joint and sends out missives to minions on the outside. They might try baking him a cake with a hacksaw blade or file inside it. That’ll work…

      • UrsusArctos 🐻

        AND it will be the BEST cake

        • Dinz6315

          CHOClate

    • WKT20

      more like a monkey in a cage.

    • iLoveEggplant
    • Sporkfighter

      Sneaky toddlers throw toy cars…

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    This shit needs to be rubbed in the face of every Trumpeteers.

    • BearEyes

      they won’t care – they’ll see him as being a brilliant manager

    • nocadrummer

      They don’t care. That’s the problem. If this sh!t happened during an Obama or Clinton administration (which it never would have gotten anywhere NEAR this far), they would have been out nine months ago.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Yeah but they so often try to bully others into going along with their “he’s soooooooooooo Jesus.” And in an effort to be polite, a lot of people let that slide.

    • thatotherjean

      They’d just think he was clever, sneaking around the liberals like that, to MAGA, like he said he would.

    • Sporkfighter

      Won’t make a bit of difference; they can’t tell shit from chocolate mousse.

  • clay

    Bannon must be so pleased, until this leaked out.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      2017 has been the year of the Leak.
      Hooker Leaks
      Staff Leaks
      wikileaks
      leaking leaking leaking

      • Christopher

        Ha! No shit!

        We just got full use of our bathroom again after almost three weeks.

        There was a leak behind the wall, and surrounded by concrete, that was dripping into the downstairs unit.They had to replace all of the plumbing on our side of the building!

        We could see into our neighbours bathroom through the floor. And they are NOT the cleanest people. And don’t get me started on the smells!

  • Michael R

    Contact Russia , don’t tell anyone I told you to .

  • blackstar
  • DaddyRay

    My mom would pull the same thing on the nurses when she started getting dementia

    • TexasBoy

      There are a LOT of things in Donald’s public exploits and tweets that point toward dementia or progressing Alzheimer’s.

  • Bluto
    • Chucktech

      From Cory’s new book, I’m guessing?

  • Boreal

    Trump has friends?

    • DaddyRay

      да

    • nocadrummer

      The best money can buy!

    • Todd20036

      Sycophants. Money and power gets you friends… when it’s convenient.

      • Christopher

        I call his poor supporters acolytes.

        They literally think he’s to be worshiped. There’s nothing you can say to sway them in any way.

    • DaddyRay

      Charles Manson had followers as well

    • The_Wretched

      While the word choice is tricky, think of Stone and Bannon.

      • thatotherjean

        Depends. Can mutual manipulation (not that kind!) be called “friendship?”

  • Gustav2

    There has been a little backing off of support of Trump on Fox News (just a little) and now WSJ reports this…..

    Rupert Murdoch & Co saving their own asses?

    • BearEyes

      I think they see the writing on the wall

      • marshlc

        That’s what I’m getting a smell of, yes. They’e not going to go anti-Trump by any means, but if things really do just fall all to shit for Trump, they’ll have built in a little bit of deniability.

    • Tomcat

      In that case they will be fake news to trump.

      • Gustav2

        When he calls Fox “fake news” we will know it is completely over.

    • Chucktech

      Ya know, I DVR’d Hannity Friday night to see his take on Flynn. Hannity wasn’t there and they spent all of a minute and a half on it. The rest was how awful that ol’ San Francisco sanctuary city is and sitting vigil for the tax “cut” fer ‘Murikins vote. Major disappointment.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Is there any way Murdoch can be investigated too?

  • Tomcat

    Any aide that goes around Kelly should be fired by Kelly and if trump won’t allow that Kelly should quit.

    • Chucktech

      Kelly won’t quit. He knows his job is to babysit.

      • David Walker

        Then he should stick a Binky in the fucking moron’s mouth and glue it place.

  • Tomcat

    Wait a minute, didn’t Kelly say on the news that he does not stop anyone from meeting with trump? Someone is lying somewhere here.

    • DaddyRay

      When it comes to the Trump Administration – lying is a given

      • OdieDenCO

        aye! it’s always a question of, to what degree?

  • DaddyRay

    Nancy tried this with Ronnie

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      O/T the reagan library is showing artifacts from the Titanic. I want to go but I really am opposed to stepping foot on tainted soil

      • Tomcat

        Do they have an Astrology area? Nancy loved Astrology.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          Thats in Nancys crypt.

      • CB

        It’s a good exhibit if it’s the same one I saw in Seattle.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Is he buried there? Any chance of defiling his resting place?

  • FAEN

    Kelly sold his soul for this putz. Sad.

    • DaddyRay

      And trashed any credibility he had

      • FAEN

        Yep Daddy Ray!

      • Tomcat

        Anyone that would work for trump has no credibility at all.

        • thatotherjean

          Not after his first week in office. That was enough to figure out that what he said on the campaign, he actually meant.

      • David Walker

        For me, he lost that with his little dick dance and lie-a-thon about Representative Wilson. True colors on coloreds…thanks, ex-general.

      • coram nobis

        And now he’s like a department store mannequin that Donald goes around. Sad end for a career like his.

  • Jim Maloney

    Of course.

  • Boreal
  • blackstar
    • David L. Caster

      It’s not easy to undercut the DoJ with Sessions in charge of it. You have to be able to dig really very deep to get that low.

  • David Walker

    Speaking of Melanoma, her taste in decorating was noticed by the “Have I Got News For You” folks. I have this cued to the start of their take on the fucking moron’s racist re-tweets and his reply to PM May…to the wrong Theresa May. However, the first tart’s decorations’ commentary starts at 13:05 (the host does a wonderful impression and the talk gets just a tad rowdy) and you really ought to watch Trumpy Bear at 15:05. 16:45 they take on the flat earth rocket guy. We’ve given them bigly material this past week.
    https://youtu.be/rK2WQIDGmGc?t=9m9s

    • vstill

      This program and QI (Quite Interesting) are my favorite BBC programs. Always entertaining, honest, and ribald at times. Too bad they don’t air on BBC America.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Trump is desperate when he has to have Melania curry messages for him.

  • Salton

    As we say in French “On va bientôt laver son linge sale en famille.”

    • Treant

      Tish! French!

  • Bj Lincoln

    I am not amused or surprised that people are manipulating Drumpf as much as he is manipulating others. So much for the ‘transparency’ of government Drumpf claims to have wanted.

    • Tomcat

      Trump wanted transparency in government? I must have missed that lie.

      • David Walker

        That’s OK, Tomcat. There’ve been so many, who can keep track?

  • Boreal
    • Tomcat

      One HAS CLASS the other is just an ASS.

  • Boreal
    • Statistics Palin

      Perfect!

    • Treant

      That’s not good enough. You have to get rid of your dick to protest losing Dick’s.

      Here’s my branch cutter. Enjoy.

      • Boreal
        • Treant

          Too easy. I have a Fiskars branch cutter. A few minutes of sawing and there she goes!

          • Ray Taylor

            Those Japanese design saws are wonderful.

          • Treant

            They really are. Mine went through a 2″ mulberry trunk that grew entangled with my magnolia–I didn’t even see it until the mulberry emerged from the top!

            It took about thirty seconds to remove the tree, then poison it with copper nails.

          • Ray Taylor

            Last spring I cut back a mulberry that was growing up the side of the house threatening to go into the siding and eaves. Due to it’s position on the south west side of the building outside of the kitchen window where I wanted the shade on the window, I was able to cut back and shape the tree in minutes with the Japanese saw. I cut away more than half the tree.

  • OdieDenCO

    is he sending out for micky-ds or kfc? and why would kelly care if donny bursts like a over inflated balloon? /s

  • thatotherjean

    Good lord, he’s still a child in boarding school, sneaking around the adult’s regulations! Come on, Mr. Mueller, get this man-child out of the White House!

  • JWC

    just kick his sorry ass out

  • ClevelandJim

    Oh, so Kelly’s still there? Haven’t seen any evidence of either his influence on Trump, or his face, since he made a public fool of himself over the Florida kerfluffle a few weeks back.

    • Taylor Bixler

      I think the Gold Star debacle proved Kelly is not there to control Trump, he is there to weaponize Trump. They are clearly fellow travelers, Kelly just tends to cloak his awfulness much better than herr tiny hands.

      • red-diaper-baby 1942

        I think it’s more that even a relatively decent guy, when he’s exposed to the Trump miasma, sooner or later becomes infected and morally corrupt.

  • red-diaper-baby 1942

    This is what little kids do when they form in-groups and out-groups: we’re building a tree house, but you can’t tell Johnny about it! Yeah, I know my example is way out of date, kids probably don’t build tree houses any more, they’re too busy sending Instagrams and whatever. But gimme a break, I’m 75. And I’m willing to bet the principle remains the same, regardless of the medium.

  • DaveMiller135

    “I heard Melania ‘likes you’ likes you. Want me to pass her a note in study hall?”

  • Gianni

    Well, sounds like Gen. Kelly has become a complete fool. Even his boss undermines him to those who are supposed to be under Kelly’s control. This is truly juvenile, playground stuff. Would anyone like to try to convince us that the President is a mature man who takes the job seriously? Kelllyanne, you always give your best shot when asked about the Prez and his shenanigans.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    Who lost Egypt?

  • JCF

    “The WSJ goes on to report that some of
    Trump’s friends are using Melania to pass along messages that wouldn’t
    get past John Kelly.”

    Well, there went my sympathy for Melania again. Suck it, biotch.

    http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/Elle/2017/01/25/109777/MELANIA-1.gif

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