NEW YORK CITY: Bullied Teen Murder Suspect Thanks Gay Men For Putting Up His Bond Money [VIDEO]

The New York Post reports:

The Bronx teen accused of fatally stabbing a 15-year-old classmate and nearly killing another walked free Wednesday on $250,000 bond. “I am grateful to the people who donated to my bond fund,” Abel Cedeno, 18, said in a statement handed out to the media, which he said would be his last public comments on the case.

“Specifically, I thank the many gay men who generously donated,” he wrote. “I’m grateful for the support of my family.” Cedeno was previously held in lieu of $500,000 bond after his indictment on manslaughter charges for the September attack, which left schoolmate Matthew McCree dead in a history class at the Urban Assembly School for Wildlife Conservation.

The teen, who claims he’s suffered years of bullying because of his sexuality, addressed his benefactors in a makeshift press release, saying, “You make me proud to be gay.” He added, “This nightmare which occurred on 09-27-17 has torn apart three families. Finally, thank you to my two gay attorneys for your hard work, trust and faith.”

RELATED: Quite surprisingly, viciously anti-LGBT state Sen. Ruben Diaz, who in 2011 led a massive anti-gay march in the Bronx, contributed $1000 to Cedeno’s bond. Earlier this month Diaz won a seat on the New York City Council, which might have something to do with this. His Senate seat will likely be filled by another Democrat from his very blue district.

  • safari

    How should I feel about this?

    • PickyPecker

      Sad. Just sad.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      However you want to. There’s no right or wrong way to feel in this instance. It’s tragic that this young man was driven to do this by years of hellish abuse, but it’s made all the more so because no one in power cared. This isn’t on him so much as it is on those who should have known better and did nothing.

    • Todd20036

      The perp is the victim. I feel sympathy for him.

      The victims are the perps. They got what they deserved.

      The people in authority who did nothing deserve to be sued.

  • worstcultever

    Good for this young man. He did the world a great service. There, I said it.

    • Charles Manuel P.

      None who has lived through this, as we have, would condemn him. And none who have had the chance to do as what he did and turned away from it, as I did, should judge him for it.

      I fought my battles, and I’m still fighting my war to be a free gay man in an Evangelical half-supportive family. All must fight it alone.

  • another_steve

    We need to resist our lower impulses here.

    Murder is wrong. Period.

    Unless you feel your life is in imminent danger, killing is wrong. Period.

    • Randy Ellicott

      Its interesting to see you claim we need to resist our lower impulses and then when we have the next post on something involving a Muslim you will be the first to degrade the religion… Murder is wrong, but stop being a hypocrite.

      • Treant

        (tugs sleeve) People are imperfect. That doesn’t negate a valid point.

        And actually, there’s a word for that logical fallacy. Two of them. Next time, attack the argument and not the person if you want people to listen to you.

        • another_steve

          Lol. I blocked him a long time ago, so have no idea what he said. But I assume it was childish and vicious.

          Imo Joe should permanently block from this blog any commenter who engages in ad hominem with other commenters.

          • Treant

            Oh, fuck you. 🙂

            Yes, it was an ad hom…and one accusing you of something I hadn’t actually observed you ever do, point in fact.

            There’s nothng wrong with an ad hom, per se, if you’re writing somebody off or simply very annoyed. We get that those happen. But one that’s factually false? No thanks.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Just out of curiosity, I peeked at the comment section over at Breitbart. The comments here at JMG are like Hallmark greeting cards compared to the vitriol and hatred spewed over there. I’ll take the occasional shade on this blog any time.

          • Bluto

            Reason being PC equates to treating all human beings with respect & dignity. There are a few exceptions, nazis & kiddie diddlers for instance. The difference is PC is something liberals embrace & cherish while conservatives largely reject civility as weakness.

          • another_steve

            Oh I have no problem with the occasional playful shade. Giving or receiving it. I occasionally give it here on JMG to my beloved friends.

            What’s reprehensible – particularly on an LGBT blog – is bullying. In the form of personal ad hominem attack or otherwise.

            If I’ve ever done ad hominem here on JMG in a reply to someone’s comment, I truly apologize. It was 100 percent wrong and I promise never to do it again.

        • Randy Ellicott

          Actually you are right, i did get the reason i have so little patience with him is that he has a a far too developed sense of misogyny and a penchant for thinking rape fantasies are funny. There was an argument i had where he came off as a bigoted child against Muslims, but after re reading them it was clear he was just more enamored with hearing his own voice than thinking critically about what he was saying. For what its worth i retract saying he is a religious bigot, but will stick with the misogynistic rape fantasizer…

          • Treant

            That’s still an ad hominem,, and as such, I’m tossing it out. The argument still stands as stated by Steve and you can either refute it or not.

          • Randy Ellicott

            Oh I agree that Murder is bad, though I know I see this particular situation with more nuance than he does given his comments when this first happened. My argument is that he has a lot of nerve to try and preach on avoiding baser instincts given his proclivity to indulge in his baser instincts.

    • Treant

      Thank you. I don’t feel that this excuses the crime. Mitigates it? Yes. Excuses? Absolutely not.

      Although again, I find it very interesting that we can forgive a murderer we happen to sympathize with, but Matt Lauer is dead to us forever for far lesser cause.

      • Tawreos

        I am not so sure that we forgive the murder as we understand what it is like to feel powerless and the need to strike at the bullies sometimes. Lauer wasn’t really much to us to begin with and he was the one using his power to bully others to get what he wanted.

        • Treant

          Perhaps, but so far I’m seeing a lot of support for his actions just from a few statements below and the quick run-up of the tip count (it’s also fun to note that the instant I drop the dick jokes and get even faintly philosophical, my tip count falls asymptotically toward zero).

          So far, it seems we can’t forgive the bully, but we can forgive the victim turned bully.

          I gotta take thirty minutes off. I’m not annoyed, just kind of aghast.

    • JD

      The NYPost story says Cedeno armed himself, but didn’t stab until the other boy attempted to hit him. Lots of inflammatory language in that article, too: the students had a “beef”, the boy went “crazy”. We should hold off on judgment until more information comes out, no?

      • another_steve

        I agree. We need all the facts.

        Imo if there was reasonable cause for Cedeno to believe his life was in imminent danger, then killing in self-defense was justified.

        Otherwise, not.

        • sach2

          The kid is not a surgeon. I doubt he planned on killing the guy.

    • Silver Badger

      How many of your lower impulses have you resisted, Steve? Self defense is not murder.

  • bkmn

    I hope the lawyers he has will make a point about where the school officials were during all the bullying. Find a way to not allow this to happen again.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Sometimes (speaking from experience), school officials turn a blind eye willingly.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Sadly, more often than not.

        • Todd20036

          Then they should pay. Literally.

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        I was constantly bullied as many of us were and used to teachers not disciplining or doing anything, but I still remember in grade school history class that a student made comments AND THE TEACHER LAUGHED. It hurts more when someone in a position to protect, participates.

        • AmeriCanadian

          I’ve had the teacher actively participate in making comments against me. If only my parents were as litigious back then as today’s parents are.

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            I’m so sorry you went through that. Did you share what happened with your parents? Sometimes we are ashamed and hide the pain, so those who love us don’t know we’re suffering.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Thanks SkokieGuy. My parents knew about the bullying but not specifically about the actions of the teachers (there were more than one). I was extremely embarrassed and I didn’t want to tell my parents. My mother sent me to counseling at the school. The school counselor, who was extraordinarily attractive but clueless as fuck, came right out and asked me if I was gay. Of course I said no. I was 13. WTF??? So the counseling ended. My mother kept pressing but thankfully she did not pursue additional avenues. I don’t think aversion therapy was known in the late 70’s because I believe I would have been sent there. However, I kept denying it and because I was somewhat smart (nerdy) and got decent grades, my parents believed that I was being picked on due to that. What should have been the best times of our lives were reduced to living in fear, shame, and solitude. I’m SO glad those days are over. Everything changed when I graduated and things immediately got better, albeit slowly. I’m truly envious of today’s gay youth, at least in most areas now. I know by reading this story that it isn’t quite everywhere yet.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I know what you mean. If you cut me in half, it says “damaged” right down the middle.

          • AmeriCanadian

            But not worthless. As others have said (and I believe as well), what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger. I look at what I went through in my early years as impacting but not defining. I can’t erase it or change it or forget it. But I don’t let it define me or my actions. Cliché I know.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I agree . I always support the younger gays and I’ve also encouraged a couple of them to get out of the clubs and go back to school . They need that emotional support sometimes just to get over the hump and I’m glad I was there to do it for them .

          • Priya Lynn

            “what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.”.

            That’s one of the biggest piles of bullshit ever spoken.

            Not everyone comes out okay after bullying. Many people are affected for their whole lives and suffer depression and suicidal thoughts as a result of it.

          • romanhans

            I was betrayed by my family too. But now I look at family members who weren’t betrayed, and I’m far better off. I believe every negative has a positive, and after fate dealt me hell on earth it said, “Okay, that’s enough. Have a great life, dude.” I hope it’s the same for you.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I’m 53 . It actually took me till this freaking year to finally realize that my family’s opinion of me does not reflect my actual self worth . The funny thing is now that they’ve started becoming supportive it’s too late I just don’t care . I guess better late than never .

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          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            Thank you for sharing. And thank god you escaped aversion therapy. I wore out my record of I Will Survive, thank you Gloria.

            On one hand some of today’s youth have an easier time, but with online bullying, instead of a comment made in a class of 30, something can shoot through a school, community and everywhere and be far more devastating. I’m not sure I would have survived the type of bullying that goes on today.

            But we are here, and I firmly believe that adversity makes us stronger. You are no doubt a more compassionate and stronger person for having lived through what you did.

            I would suspect you find ways to give back, as do I. Hopefully what we’ve learned from our struggles is turned into positives and we have helped in some small way to make this world a better place.

          • Scott Carpenter

            Yeah, memories of my 6th grade teacher. I’ve often hoped he died alone and in pain.

          • Silver Badger

            Me too. Unfortunately, my family supported the teacher.

          • pj

            mine too. it will toughen up those gay boys. trust me it did.

          • AmeriCanadian

            That’s awful. Truly. I’m sorry you have that as a memory.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yes, family betrayals are the worst

        • Sean Taylor

          it certainly increases the despair factor

        • stanhope

          That is when you put visine in the teacher’s coffee

        • Oh, Parker

          Or tells you you’re part of some “pecking order” and that you should just take it.

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            Yep, it sent that message.

            I try not to body shame but the teacher was Chris Christie-esque, not attractive and likely not popular when he was young.

            Even back then, I thought that this adult teacher chuckling and being bros with the ‘cool kids’ (even though these were grade school boys) was more important to him than protecting the more vulnerable kids.

        • greenmanTN

          I have told this story here before. My senior year of high school my English teacher made a comment in class about “that fag Boy George” (this was 1984) and I was PISSED. I wasn’t a big Culture Club fan but felt “fag” was over the line.

          So I did a caricature of him as Boy George and silk screened it onto T-shirts and sold them. A few years ago we hired someone to clean out the barn on my mother’s property and the key screen (the black lines) was still there! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/385d6e4cb1af850ed6bb5cb41b24018d8a65a1541aa1cfffcd45a505201559d8.jpg

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            I hadn’t heard your story before, so thank you for retelling and what a literal ‘barn find’. While no one should suffer, perhaps the awesome person you are is in part due to the strength it took to overcome adversity? Living a fabulous life is the best revenge. And you were quite the artist as a youngster, damn!

      • IDavid

        They should be charged as complicit.

      • Blake Mason

        Sometimes they join in.

      • Oh, Parker

        Welcome to my entire school experience.

      • JCF

        School officials, camp counselors (speaking from painful experience—and my bullying was only verbal).

    • CJAS

      The school district will claim no knowledge of his bullying. And willing likely deny meeting with his mother. The parents of all three students may be able to make claims against the district.

    • JackFknTwist

      Great point .

  • Boreal

    I feel for bullied kids and want there to be more done to prevent bullying but now this kid will probably go to jail and have more turmoil in his life, while the other school bullies will continue to abuse others.

    • Todd20036

      He might not be doing much jail time.

      Self defense IS a legitimate reason to kill.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Yes but can it be proven? I think that is much more difficult than imagined.

  • HZ81

    My bullied-gay-teen-self remembers the horrors of being 15 and gay—and I wasn’t even out. I remember other bullied kids lashing out in violence, not to this degree, but violence nonetheless because the harassment was daily and never-ending.

    Another death due to homophobia. I don’t know the specifics of the case and cannot read up at the moment, but will follow and hope some sort of meaningful justice, as it were, can come out of this.

    Saddens me.

    • Mike Solo

      I remember these feelings well being a closeted gay in West Texas high school. Still have some scars from it, 25 years later

      • HZ81

        Me, too. Was talking about those bullying with family (nephews and nieces in HS) and I started crying recounting the bullying. Came out of nowhere. Those ghosts still haunt me.

        • Joseph Miceli

          You have nothing to be ashamed of . Forced to endure that day after day for 12 years … I think we both know you had PTSD .

          • HZ81

            Totally, and I wasn’t ashamed but surprised at the rush of emotion discussing it. You think you’ve got a corner on it and then… bam, out of nowhere. Yes, PTSD it is and I am sorry you had to endure 12 years of it. I had 4 and that was 4 too many.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I guess we have to be thankful we survived . A lot of kids don’t .

          • HZ81

            True that.

          • Steve Teeter

            We are thankful you both survived.

          • HZ81

            Thank you!!

          • Joseph Miceli

            🙂

      • DJ John Bear

        They don’t go away, no matter how hard you try to “get over it”.

      • GeneInSJ

        I wish I could tell you they go away but they do not. But you learn to handle it, at least to some degree.

    • JCF

      I was 7 when it first happened…and I wouldn’t be out (to myself) for another 17 years!

  • Pluto Animus

    Saw the headline and immediately smiled.

    Sorry, couldn’t help it.

  • Hank
  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    This case doesn’t sound much different to a wife who has been emotionally abused by her husband, and then finally cracks…

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Exactly. I was thinking the “Burning Bed” defense is called for.

  • JoeMyGod

    In New York state, first degree manslaughter carries a minimum sentence of five years. The max is 25 years. Cedeno had just turned 18 at the time of the murder and must be tried as an adult.

    • Gigi

      I was tormented for months on end by our school bully when I was a kid. One day I “snapped,” flung myself down a flight of stairs and landed on my tormentor who was waiting for me. I knocked him out cold, but it could have been much worse. I could have killed him. Many of us know what it’s like to be in this situation. My heart goes out to this young man. This wouldn’t have happened had the principal, teachers and school officials done something to help. They turned a blind eye. One kid is dead, and the other kid’s life will be ruined.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        I stabbed a bully in middle school after I reached my limit. Metal nail files are probably banned now. You HAVE to either suffer it, or fight it.

        School did nothing. I did complain, but they did nothing.

        • canoebum

          I simply stopped going to school. I left home, moved to NYC and started life on my own at 16. I later got a GED and went on to earn a B.A in Social Science, plus some graduate studies in economics.

        • Gigi

          I told my dad. He said I had to toughen up. When the principal called and told him what I’d done he said, “I didn’t mean that.” LMAO!

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            But it worked, didn’t it?

    • Silver Badger

      If Abel Cedeno is convicted, we should start a fund to help him resestablish his life when he gets out.

  • Ninja0980

    Hope he is in a safe place and stays out of trouble, he can’t afford any missteps.

  • Tawreos

    It is sad that this kid needed bail money. It is even sadder that the school did not stop the other kids from bullying him for so long that he felt the need to kill to end it.

    • Treant

      Now there’s a statement I can get behind and help lift the banner. If schools did their jobs–and I get that they’re busy, but sometimes there’s just no excuse–this shit would happen a lot less.

      • Sean Taylor

        how can they possibly be too busy to care for the kids? I can’t buy that part of the argument. But the rest of it, absolutley

        • Treant

          Imposed paperwork. No Child Left Behind. Inservice requirements. Too few teachers. Teachers not educated properly to handle their responsibilities efficiently. Burnout cases. The list is practically endless, and all apparent even in my own schooling (when things were actually better).

          Some teach because they’re good at teaching, not because they’re good at handling kids. It sounds a bit paradoxical, but there it is. For that reason, what teaching I’ve done has been at the young adult or adult level; I am not a fan of children. But I also thought about that before getting involved.

          • Mihangel apYrs

            “in loco parentis” – we stand as parents. There is a duty of care implicit in the authority we give them over children

          • Sean Taylor

            Fuck ‘em. I taught for years. they have no excuse.

    • Silver Badger

      He defended himself. His attacker committed suicide by pushing Abel Cedeno too far too often.

    • Ander

      I can’t get behind cheering the murder. I can’t. They are all just kids, and I don’t know the bully’s story; perhaps he was taught to bully by being bullied himself. I truly understand the legitimate impulse to vindicate the gay kid, but it’s just tragic all around.
      And yes, the school should be held accountable.

      • Silver Badger

        Self defense is not murder.

        • Ander

          Granted.

        • pj

          he did something about his situation when no one would help. good for him.

        • Treant

          He’s not charged with self-defense and has no apparent reason to believe his life was in danger.

          • Silver Badger

            When the story broke, it was said that the young man who was killed was coming after the kid who stabbed him.

          • Treant

            I really need proof of that because the DA charged him with manslaughter. It probably would have been involuntary manslaughter, if anything, in the case of a viable physical threat.

          • Silver Badger

            All I have is my poor memory. I do remember that witnesses were afraid to come forward because of the one kid’s gang affiliations. I also remember there was an altercation directly before the stabbing. Perhaps I can make some time to check Joe’s archives and associated links.

    • leastyebejudged

      One thing that you can be certain of in all this, none of the so-called “educators” and many administrators responsible will EVER be held accountable in ANY way.

      Shit administrators and shit teachers are untouchable.

  • Jonathan Smith

    While, I for one am glad he is out, i WISH he had left it at: ““I am grateful to the people who donated to my bond fund,”
    the HATERS are going to pounce all over the rest of it.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Let them, they’re the same people who champion a child molester in ‘Bama, so they have no moral high ground on which to stand.

      • Jonathan Smith

        no, they do not. has never stopped them before.

    • Silver Badger

      I respectfully disagree. The haters can go fuck themselves. The world should know that we support our own.

  • Leo
    • Treant

      So…why do I have the feeling this will be advertised as some great power play by the White House when, in actuality, Tillerson has simply had it and is quitting?

    • Hank
      • Treant

        Please tell me this requires a separate Senate hearing?

        No?

        https://i.imgur.com/FqThByx.jpg

        • AlternativeQuacks

          Secretary of State is one of the positions that has to be approved by the Senate, I believe.

          But this is the same Senate that confirmed Pompeo for CIA director, so it would be surprising if they don’t confirm him for State Dept.

        • Hank

          Pompeo would have to be go through a Senate hearing, I believe. Unless he did so already and it just musical chairs.

    • safari

      What? Has Rex not gutted the state department enough on his own?

      • Hank

        Putinesca wants to take over MORE of the world as the US loses its Foreign Policy under Herr Drumpf

    • AlternativeQuacks

      I think Tillerson has known this was coming for a long time, which is why he called Trump out as the moron that he is, and he has been openly contradicting Trump on his foreign policy statements for months now.

      Not that Tillerson is a good SoS by any stretch. But he’s obviously had all he can take of Trump.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Of Rats & Shitgibbons
      by Moi

      The King is Mad,
      The Rats are in flight,
      The People are anxious,
      Bringing on Mares of the night,

      The Capitol glimmers,
      While the White House is dour,
      Thus the worm turns,
      ‘Tis indeed the hour,

      For the milquetoast Rats,
      Who scurry and run,
      They know ’tis the advent,
      The game?

      It is done.

      • TexasBoy

        Draining the swamp – firing his own appointees because he doesn’t like what they are telling him….potatoes potahtoes.

    • William

      Tillerson is leaving to spend more time with Putin.

  • 2patricius2

    I can understand his not wanting to tell his family what was going on. I didn’t even tell teachers about the bullying that I was going through (which fortunately never turned physical). And I was really embarrassed when a neighbor heard what was happening. I didn’t want my mother to know. I kept it all inside. It was only years later that I ever told anyone. By then, I was long gone from the school where the bullying took place.

  • TexasBoy

    This brings back awful memories of being bullied in Junior High at 12 years old for being perceived to be gay. Surprisingly, the bullying stopped when I went to high school.

    • Gigi

      You’re lucky. Mine stopped when one day I finally had enough and attacked my bully. Everyone was afraid of me after that.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        There’s always another bully coming along. It all ended when I went to college. I was amazed, seriously. How fucking sad is that?

        • AmeriCanadian

          Yep. The day school ended was the day I was last bullied. I figured those who were in college wanted to be there and therefore were committed to working hard. Not always true but they were generally more mature and less concerned with bullying others.

    • sach2

      By senior year, most girls are mature enough to keep the boys in check. No participating audience then—a lot less bullying.

    • Ben in Oakland

      The bullying stopped for me when I stopped worrying about my safety, let my rage take over, and started taking out the bullies.

      I still remember beating the crap out of John Eagle in 1963. He kept picking on me and picking on me, even as we walked into our class that we had together after lunch. I just snapped, jammed him between the pencil sharpener and the wall, and rained down a storm of fists. Other kids told me he deserved it.

      The best part was when he came up to me the next day and said, “my mom says that you have to pay for my ripped shirt.” I just laughed at him.

      Good times!

  • Michael

    I was called a fag daily by the time I was in the 2nd grade, age 7, in the late 70’s. It really irks me when people try to say we shouldn’t bring up the issue to grade school kids because they’re too young to know what it’s all about seeing those kids knew damn well what it meant and is exactly why they were calling me that.

    • Kelly Lape

      They say pain makes us stronger. It may have some truth to it, but frankly I’d rather be weak than have suffered unnecessary pain.

      I’m very sorry you went through that.

      • Priya Lynn

        “They say pain makes us stronger.”.

        It may work that way for some but certainly not for many others. Many people never get over the pain.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Same thing for me in the sixties and early seventies.

    • leastyebejudged

      Their parents taught them well.

  • Achilles Tsakiridis

    In Junior High School in 1985 Clayton Miller and Patrick Montero picked me up and threw me in an oversized flower pot filled with dirt. Mitchell Weiner, who thankfully is long dead, the dean overseeing the cafeteria and this incident laughed as they did it and as i pulled myself out of it . I wish I had a loaded gun . I would have shot all of them. That incident was one of hundreds of incidents during my elementary, jh and HS experience . There are those that feel sympathy . Sorry but the little queer boy inside of me is still wiping that dirt off of him and now, the bully ends up being dirt . May justice be served .

    • Hryflex

      I’ve discovered that so many of us clearly remember the names of our bullies, and hope that they died prolonged painful deaths. I’d elaborate, but that would take too long.

    • Ben in Oakland

      It was lucky that you didn’t have a gun. your life would have been ruined, and that is literally cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
      If this still affects you 32 years later, please get counselling. I could tell you all about what manacled rage does to your health and happiness. Those bullies are not worth it. Living well is the best revenge.

      • Achilles Tsakiridis

        Ben in Oakland .. dont fucking use is as an opportunity to exort your psuedo condescending unsolicited pyscho babble on me . And dont advise someone who was bullied for his entire school career to ” seek couseling ” if it still affects them . My life WAS ruined for 12 years until I escaped and then I had to wipe of the residue for the remainder of my life … I live well. But i remember weller . Stay blessed .

        • Ben in Oakland

          Sorry for trying to be kind.

          Obviously, I was right, but too Late. I was also bullied for most of my school career.

          Have a nice day.

          • Achilles Tsakiridis

            You do the same 🙂

        • Joseph Miceli

          I understand exactly where you’re coming from but he really was just trying to help . I look back at my miserable childhood and there are people I wish were dead and/or miserable . We are human and I don’t aspire to sainthood .

  • mikekil

    Maybe all of you suffered but your alive. Sorry but bullying isn’t an excuse for murder.

    • tell that to Matthew Shepard

    • leastyebejudged

      I agree with you, but at the same time, without excusing it, morally and ethically – gay people are really no better than anybody else.

      Then again, when I think of all the shit *I* went though in middle school in the 70’s, and am vaguely aware that I still wish all those people and their fucking parents ill, who am I to judge this kid ?

      I wonder what kind of phony “jury of his peers” is going to be assembled, what kind of ridiculous charade of “justice” is going to unfold in court.

      I think many of us look back and wish we’d killed.

  • Charles Manuel P.

    As I said below…
    None who has lived through this, as we have, would condemn him. And none who have had the chance to do as what he did and turned away from it, as I did, should judge him for it.

    I fought my battles, and I’m still fighting my war to be a free gay man in an Evangelical half-supportive family. All must fight it alone.

  • stanhope

    Good! Enough of turning the other cheek. The dead one can rot in hell. The other one now has something to contemplate. I hope Abel gets off on self defense.

  • When bigoted heterosex-supremacist bullies go so low, there could be surprising consequences to be paid by them, though also tragic for their bullied victim.

  • pleasebereasonable1

    If people can walk using the Gay Panic defense, this kid should walk too.

  • neil_of_the_north

    I remember very clearly hiding a sharp steak knife in my jacket pocket when I went o school for a while. Bullies threatened to get me after class on my way home and I honestly feared for my life and no one seemed able to do anything about the bullying so I felt I had little choice but to defend myself. I knew where I would place that knife too – right in the middle of the chest of any of them who came at me…as forcefully as possible.
    I am SO THANKFULL I avoided them and it never came to that. Would have changed the course of my life completely. But the memory of the fear and anger is crystal clear. You can only push someone so far and they will push back…sometimes in an explosive way. A tragedy.

  • Ogre Magi

    I hope he goes free

  • leastyebejudged

    Premeditated murder is OK if the assailants are black, is all I’m getting from the crowd here today.