Roy Moore Is Ever So Pissed That Some Felons Can Now Vote Thanks To Law Signed By His GOP Governor Pal

The Birmingham News reports:

Thousands of felons across Alabama have registered to vote in recent weeks, according to Pastor Kenneth Glasgow, who is heading up a statewide effort to get felons to the voting booth.

Glasgow’s goal is to get as many felons as possible signed up to vote before the deadline to be able to cast a ballot in Alabama’s Dec. 12 U.S. Senate special election.

For generations, most Alabamians convicted of a felony were barred from ever voting in the state again, but the Definition of Moral Turpitude Act, a new law passed by the state Legislature and signed by Gov. Kay Ivey in May, cleared the way for thousands of felons to restore their voting rights.

The law lists several dozen felony convictions that are considered crimes “of moral turpitude,” which means that anyone convicted of one of them loses the right to vote; other felons are now eligible to restore that right.

Last week Gov. Ivey declared that she’ll vote for Moore despite the multiple allegations because it’s more important that a right winger gets the next seat on the Supreme Court.

  • Todd20036

    It’s legal. But what does Roy know about obeying the law, anyway?

    • james1200
      • Todd20036

        Did he actually say that?

        • The_Wretched

          no

        • Thornton

          Todd…..I doubt it. He’s a [email protected]$$ but I don’t think THAT dumb. BUT……..

      • DJ John Bear

        Okay, then it’s statutory rape, which falls under the adultery umbrella nonetheless.

        • SelectFromWhere

          Statutory rape is MUCH worse than Adultery!

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      It’s only illegal if some snotty 14 yr old tattletales!

      • james1200

        Hmmm…so that’s why the bible says children are to be seen and not heard!

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Now you know why they love the ” good book ” ever so much.

        • AmeriCanadian

          I always wondered if something got lost in translation. I don’t know Hebrew but is there another word close to “seen” that could mean something else? Oh, say, like rape?

    • Nowhereman

      He only goes by god’s law…

  • jayjonson

    Gov. Ivey, who will vote for Moore, knows all about “moral turpitude.”

    • Joseph Miceli

      That bitch. “Gov. Ivey, there’s two people in the water drowning, a 14 year old girl and disgraced, dismissed former Justice Roy Moore. Who do you save?”
      We all know how that ends.

    • jm2

      before “moral turpitude” we need to find out if she knows what “turpitude” is. makes a difference… 😜

      • Tawreos

        She just knows that it has morals in it and that is a good thing.

      • kareemachan

        Turpitude? Ain’t that like paint thinner?

        • David Walker

          I thought it was some high highfalutin’ word fer “dancin’.”

        • pj

          turpintude

          • clay

            The turpintude industry in Alabama folded in Alabama in the early 20th century, due to the unsustainable harvest of pines, the lack of easily exploited labor (even having switched from African slaves to African-American convicts), and new processes allowing the production to be easily moved to new cut areas elsewhere.

          • pj

            you must be great at trivial pursuit.

      • glass

        Turpitude is the Alabama word for Tapas. It’s something you eat on a cracker.

      • jerry

        It’s a scene from a bad teen movie “Porky’s”:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmF7QopMG60

  • Joseph Miceli

    I’ve never understood why felons lose the right to vote. After having done their jail time, isn’t their debt to society paid? Can someone explain that to me?

    • Boreal

      Probably a 1% law since the vast majority of people who commit crimes and get caught/tried and convicted are poor or middle class.

      • Ninja0980

        That is exactly what it is.

        • Reality.Bites

          I don’t know if this was ever the case in the United States, but in various places at various times the vote has been restricted to property owners.

          • glimsong

            Originally It was given to the states to regulate who could vote. So in the beginning only white land owners had the right to vote in most states. Several amendments were made to the constitution that expanded that right finally culminating in the 26th that gave all citizens over 18 the right.

          • Reality.Bites

            There was an interesting loophole in Quebec (then Lower Canada) under British rule.

            Under Quebec’s Civil Code, married women couldn’t own property. But if a man left property to a single daughter, she was a property holder and could vote. This loophole lasted from 1791 until 1849.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=m_V9xIh0pKU

            This link explains the influence of the Charter on granting voting rights to inmates and, surprisingly, judges.

            http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/franchise/#h3_jump_4

          • Snarkaholic

            Here, in certain parts of NJ, we have “freeholders” instead of councilmen (they’re the same office, just with a different title).
            This is a carryover from colonial times, when, to run for the office, you had to own/hold land free and clear.

          • Reality.Bites

            Smart. It would have kept Trump out.

    • Tawreos

      it changes from place to place but most of the reasons behind it are that the ex felon showed a serious lack of judgement and should not be trusted with anything as important as voting or that since they violated the law once the should not get to help decide laws for those that did not violate them.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Thank you for explaining the reasoning behind it. I will say that such thinking doesn’t pass my smell test. A 20 yr old who commits a crime is not the same as a 30 year old. I think this may just be another face of systematic voter disenfranchisement.

        • Tawreos

          That is exactly what it is. First they stacked the justice system against a certain group of people and then they can keep them from voting forever.

      • darishante

        The idea that it’s okay to create a class of people in society that have no voice still sounds pretty fucked up to my pinko heathen European sensibilities.

        • Tawreos

          You’ll get no argument from me

        • Lizard

          Believe me, there are plenty of Americans who think it’s fucked up, too.

    • Reality.Bites

      Canadian courts have ruled that you can’t be deprived of the right to vote, period. Including while in Jail.

      (I don’t know if there are circumstances under which a Canadian can be denied the vote, but not for having been in or being in prison).

      It’s the most basic of citizenship rights. There’s no justification for taking it away from anyone.

      • AmeriCanadian

        And a person doesn’t cease to be a citizen while incarcerated. The U.S. could learn a LOT of things from Canada. A LOT.

        • Tawreos

          You know it is not very polite to rub in how much better of a country Canada is than the US, right. =)

          • AmeriCanadian

            Since I have one foot in each country, I have been trying to figure out for the last ten years why there is such a difference. I haven’t figured it out yet (not definitively) and I may never. All I know is that it’s deeply rooted.

          • Reality.Bites

            I think a lot of it (and the same applies to the UK and Australia as well) is a markedly lower level of religiosity.

            It’s enough that our conservative parties can’t succeed by pandering to the fringe. So they got smarter.

            One thing they’re smart enough to realize is that the middle class doesn’t care that much about the poor. And there are a lot of people in the middle class. And a lot of those people aren’t white. And a lot of them ARE immigrants. And none of them get too upset if you cut programs and benefits that help the poor as long as they don’t touch the ones that help the middle class.

            It’s enough to make for a much larger (but still relatively small) pool of voters who can and will change their vote, even mid-campaign.

            There are also structural differences that make things tougher. And we had the enormous advantage of Brian Mulroney, a man so hated by the end of his time in office that his party split in two, keeping them out of power for a decade till they forced themselves back together and dropped the social conservative bullshit (mostly).

          • ChrisMorley

            It may be a bit rude, but it does help foster mutual international understanding. For example, as a Brit, I now have a precise example of just how some aspects of Canadian life really do whip US ass.

        • Reality.Bites

          I have a vague memory of Vermont courts coming to the same conclusion years before ours did.

        • Scott MB

          Exactly, prisoners get counted in the census for that district. It pumps that districts numbers up so they can get more government welfare. When prisoners are convenient to use they are, then they are thrown away until it helps someone again.

          Prisons are nothing more than housing, there is zero rehab or even any incentive to rehab yourself. There is no reson for these rate of reincarnation other than someone wants to keep the money flowing. For profit prisions should be outlawed, if not then very specific rules nd regulations must be followed. I’d prefer made illegal.

      • Tawreos

        But Canada doesn’t try as hard to keep the people that are other than white from voting as America does

      • Snarkaholic

        I’d make an exception for those convicted of treasonous acts…aside from that, I agree with you.

    • SelectFromWhere

      Possibly to keep people from voting while they’re in jail (or other people voting in their place, where there is no voter ID)? But I agree with those who say it equates to finding ways to disenfranchise the poor, for the most part.

    • jerry

      New version of Jim Crow…although minorities are no more likely to commit crimes than whites, they are disproportionately targeted and convicted of crimes, especially non-violent drug possession felonies. The 10 states that permanently disenfranchise felons includes: WY, NV, AZ, IA, VA, KY, TN, MS, AL, and FL. So it’s really surprising that AL changed their voting laws.

      • ChrisMorley

        Britain is shamed by Alabama granting voting rights to felons. Almost no prisoner in Britain can vote. Parliament is locked in refusing the vote.
        The UK Supreme Court recently decided a very few do have a right to vote in jail.

        But all our ex-baddies can vote after their release.

        • jerry

          AL didn’t grant them voting rights until all incarceration/probation is completed. The only states that have no restrictions, including while in jail, are VT and ME…so Britain can’t be shamed by AL.

    • Elena D

      Not if you are on parole or probation. Being on either of these means you are still repaying your debt to society.

  • Tawreos

    To be fair, Moore has a problem with anyone other than a straight white christian male voting.

    • The_Wretched

      That’s also true of Sessions at likley 5/9 SCT justices.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    The circus just gets more ridiculous by the hour….

    • AmeriCanadian

      It’s almost like a contest for saying the craziest thing possible.

    • jerry

      Since Ringling Bros. closed after 146 years, all the employees had to have somewhere to go. (You don’t know of a job opening for an experienced sword swallower, do you? Asking for a friend.)

  • AmeriCanadian

    You can’t vote if you’re not going to vote for me!!!!

  • bkmn

    He would be all for this if they were a bunch of 14 year old girls.

  • AlternativeQuacks

    Not so OT – Because we are living in post-truth and NOTHING matters anymore.

    And by “White House”, they mean Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/935910495894335488

    • Snarkaholic

      Well, then, it doesn’t matter if citizens’ income is taxable or not.

  • Do Something Nice

    We need to prepare ourselves that Moore may win.

    • Tor

      I fully expect it.

      • Ninja0980

        I do too, especially when folks think the story has been debunked.

    • AmeriCanadian

      He has already won. Everything else is just for show.

    • Tawreos

      there is no may about it, they will excuse child molestation because they won’t risk not getting the right person on the supreme court.

  • Mike C

    This is the suppression machine’s dog whistle. Watch. Going to be tons of shenanigans in that election.

    • SelectFromWhere

      I hope the ACLU, NAACP, HRC, and every other national group that cares about human rights are sending people to Alabama to positively swarm the polling sites. Too often Southern elections are “written off” by the national progressive groups as “lost causes”–which furthers the problem since often Republicans win elections they didn’t have to.

      • Mike C

        I was also absolutely *floored* after election day when I read about how many seats in the South simply go unopposed. That’s just crazy to me!

  • boobert

    I would think most Alabama felons would vote for moore.

  • Lizard

    Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy. Felons who might have voted for Moore before he implied they were human garbage may not now.

    • Tawreos

      He still has an R after his name and he will get votes no matter what

    • clay

      “But we’re not like those other felons.”

    • The_Wretched

      “felons” in this case is dog-whistle for black. I doubt Moore was getting more than a fraction of the black vote.

      • SelectFromWhere

        But there ARE former felons who are not black and probably Republican. I think the note above was saying that he has now insulted them (though I imagine the voter registration drives are concentrating on minorities and likely Democrats).

        • The_Wretched

          The split matters. If you’re a politician and can disqualify people who vote for the opposition at a 10:1 rate, you’d gladly pay the cost of the 1 vote for you to quash 10 going the other way.

  • hdtex
  • bkmn

    Just saw that Garrison Keillor is done

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/935921836856172546

    • james1200
    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Jesus are there any men who havent fucked up?

      • james1200

        I’ll have a fucking stroke and die on the spot if they say anything about President Obama.

        • Reality.Bites

          I kind of think they’d first have to find a woman who didn’t start running from 100 feet away and leap into his arms.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Me. Just don’t ask my husband.

      • AlternativeQuacks

        Good question.

        I think it is getting to the point where people are going to start rolling their eyes and everything is soon going to be ignored and they will throw the baby out with the bathwater.

      • M Jackson
    • greenmanTN

      I’ll be interested to hear what the allegations are. Every one of these accusations need to be looked at on a case by case basis and investigated. Not to cast doubt on any accuser or to defend Keillor or any other person in particular, but I’m leery of sudden trends like this, especially when accusation and guilt are automatically assumed to be the same thing.

      • Reality.Bites

        It’s important to remember we don’t get to hear the whole story. Most of the time when it’s out there, we don’t even bother.

        There are enough people who’ve been accused who DIDN’T get fired that I’m fairly sure the ones who are accepting the consequences know they’re coming to them.

      • BearEyes

        it’s more like a “me too” rather than a #metoo.
        If you’re going to make an allegation, show the proof so it can be verified.

        • Reality.Bites

          We have no basis for assuming that didn’t happen.

          But WE don’t have a right to that evidence. It’s an internal matter. People with an accusation against someone like him go to the employer if they want it quiet, and to the press if they want it loud, and to the police if they want their life destroyed.

  • Halou

    Roy Moore should be thrilled at the idea of felons voting. If the accusations against him ever go to trial he’s screwed! He will need felon voting rights if he ever wants to get political again.

  • Stogiebear

    “Democrat operatives in Alabama are registering thousands of felons” cried the Republican accused child molester.

    • David Walker

      Doesn’t matter anyway. The Russians have it all under control.

  • netxtown

    I guess they didnt gerrymander to block felons…nasty break…

  • Felons=Blacks… This is about of course African Americans voting..

    • Lawerence Collins
    • CJAS

      Yup.

    • Thornton

      You know…..I have a feeling you are correct. GRIN! (Has anyone call yo a racist yet? Just curious. Some folks just can’t take the truth.)

      • It is about the use of rhetoric and double entendres.. Paranoia about voting fraud and “Felons” voting is just code words for minorities. They can’t say “Blacks are voting”, because they got punished in the past, or it would motivate the African American Community to vote..

        Every “Voter Fraud” organization, like “True the Vote”, they only talk about the possible abuses of minorities voting. It is all about stirring paranoia without hitting the trip wire that the message is heavily racist and aimed at white paranoia about being overwhelmed by uppity minorities.. I have followed voting fraud rhetoric since the 2000 election, which Karl Rove loved to bring up..

  • bkmn

    Roy should talk to another good old boy who just got out of jail and is now running for Senate in WV, This guy just did time for his mine safety violations.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/11/disgraced-coal-baron-don-blankenship-is-running-for-senate-in-west-virginia/

    • Bluto

      jesus motherfucking christ. 2016 poll shows only 10% of West Virgins have a favorable opinion of Blankenship while 60% say his prison sentence was too lenient. Just the thought of his campaign sickens me.
      “Killin’ miners with illegal & deliberate unsafe work conditions ain’t so bad as fingering girls! They knew wut they signed up fer. ‘sides, beautiful soft clean coal, it’s gonna be yooge. Believe me, tremendous. winning!”

  • AlternativeQuacks

    G-r-o-a-n.

    Can we return Alabama to the store? It’s broken. It came out of the package broken.

    https://twitter.com/mcnelis/status/935923383971274753

    • bkmn

      They can’t resist going back to the boogey men.

    • Joseph Miceli

      At this point I think they can just drop the whole “Soros” thing and replace it with “the devil.”
      For all of us elder gays (you kids don’t know what you’re missing…..https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=flip+wilson+as+geraldine&view=detail&mid=C98D19B9EB0E545C32ABC98D19B9EB0E545C32AB&FORM=VIRE

      • clay

        “Soros” == “the Jews” == “the devil” anyway.

        [sigh]

    • M Jackson

      I hope the witch in the hat and the other one with her hand on her heart lose their health care. That would make the cup half full.

    • Clive Johnson

      How much more moronic can they get? There’s no limit in sight.

      • jmax

        Moore-ons.

    • The_Wretched

      Isn’t “soros” Bulgarian for “satan”?

  • Ninja0980

    Nice dog whistle there Roy.

    • clay

      “Be a shame if something were to happen to it.”

  • Blake J Butler
    • AlternativeQuacks

      ??? He suddenly drops out of the race for his Congressional seat with only a week to get signatures for new candidates because he’s thinking about running in 2020? That does not make any sense.

      • Ninja0980

        I’m thinking he’s running for mayor in 2019.
        His actions so far doesn’t seem to be someone worried about a scandal coming out.

        • SelectFromWhere

          Seems odd to go from a National office you’ve held for a long time to a city position if you are eyeing a Presidential run.

  • Jonathan Smith

    How DARE these Darkies decide they can vote!

  • Jonathan Smith

    this is going to be one of those days that I hate the fucking world, isint it?

    • AlternativeQuacks

      It *is* still 2017.

      • Jonathan Smith

        and 2018,19 and 20?
        Sad!

  • anne marie in philly

    bwhahahahahahaha! SUCK IT, MOORE!

  • Michael B

    They are going to vote this pedophile in…and OF course the Rethugs will seat him…cause they wanna push their agenda….if this was a democrat he would’ve been toast…about 2 seconds after that article came out

  • Rocco

    Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess…

  • Bambino
  • Kevin Perez

    Moore is complaining a bit late. Registration for the election in December is expired.

    • Jonathan Smith

      well, yes, BUT until it was,
      they were registering all sorts of democrats………er…..um………people.

      • The_Wretched

        Especially those brown ones. /s

    • SelectFromWhere

      Now we need to watch how many new registrants are turned away at the polls or have their registration mysteriously “not found on computer”.

  • Chuck in NYC

    I thought the GOP only cared about dead people voting.

    • Jonathan Smith

      only if they vote for them.

    • clay

      and immigrants!

  • Nathaniel

    On the war, every weapon is useful, so good for Democrats.

  • Friday

    Hey, Moore, don’t worry, your son ought to be a felon soon, now that you’re not there on the bench to cover up for him.

  • Michael

    Am I missing something here? Isn’t f*cking a 14yo considered a felony?

    • BockMcMillan

      Well yes, but first after you were found guilty by a court of law. Roy’s assault on the girl is not going to court because the statute of limitations has been passed.

      • iambu

        Statute of limitations on sex crimes has got to be one of the dumbest ideas anyone ever had.

        • The_Wretched

          The problem isn’t the statutes of limitations – which I support. The problem is uneven enforcement – especially lacking in people like Moore (politically connected or religious ‘leader’).

          • iambu

            Expound? I’m curious to know why you support them.

          • The_Wretched

            We can’t just look to the immediate cases or the ones where the evidence was preserved. Evidence get’s stale, witnesses move away, DNA degrades etc, that means litigation of events gets more difficult with the passage of time.

            There’s also an issue of fairness / ripple / secondary effects. Defendants get relied upon and the further in time from a bad act, the more likley it is that someone was reasonably relying on a defendant being free. Those people get hurt too if a conviction is late. This problem is similar for entity defendants (companies) where the bad actors may have left the company and the current enterprise would pay for crimes by non-responsible people.

            Lastly, if a plaintiff has a cause of action, they should have to bring the case in a reasonable amount of time. Else they get a sort of blackmail ability to threaten to bring a case forever.

            That all said, murder is the classic example of a crime with no SLIM. The courts have always held that the other social costs of a ‘late’ trial are less important than the need to get murderers out of society. We’ve also seen an easing of SLIMs with a variety of Tolling Statutes (if you didn’t know you were harmed, you can start the clock from the time you know about it). SLIMS have also been eased in particular for sexual crimes due to the shear scope of the Clergy Sex Abuse scandals and the hardship to the plaintiffs psychologically to bring cases in a timely fashion.

            There’s entire law reviews out there on the subject if you’re interested.

          • iambu

            Thanks for explaining, you clearly have a reasoned grasp of this. I think the fact that I fall into the “didn’t know I was harmed” category influences my opinion a lot, so it’s interesting to learn there may be some more nuance there. Also, there’s a part of me that feels that because sexual abuse or assault can have lifelong negative effects for the victim, the option to prosecute the crime shouldn’t have an expiration date, it feels unjust – but there may be some things to unpack about that sentiment as well. I supposed I’d always viewed this as a pretty black and white issue, but I may have some sorting out to do on this one. *Ponderously strokes imaginary, invisible, impossibly long thinking beard*

            Again, thanks for the info and insight!

      • clay

        No, the statute of limitations has not expired.
        Which raises a question about what’s going on the the DA offices.

        • BockMcMillan

          Ahh, thanks for enlightening me, clay, I heard that from someone I believed I could rely on. When does it expire?

          • clay

            From what I read, Alabama’s statute of limitations for corruption of a minor, or sex with someone under 16 is open ended, like for murder.

          • canoebum

            If that is true, it’s probably up to the victim to file a complaint.

          • BockMcMillan

            Thank you!

  • Clive Johnson
    • jmax

      Love the Daisy Dukes.

      • The_Wretched

        Is that a can in your pocket or…?

    • SelectFromWhere

      That’s not even the right kind of wine to go with pickles.

  • Dunkerblinker

    So a pedophile can throw stones??

  • Dunkerblinker

    You know he would reinstate slavery if he had the chance…

    • The_Wretched

      So would Clarence Thomas.

      • clay

        and Arapio,
        and Secessions,
        and Trump.

  • Studies have shown that the recidivism rate for former felons who are allowed to vote and become politically engaged is much lower.

    But of course, the criminal industrial complex is in part about making sure people of color can’t vote. Lock them up for crimes that a rich white kid will walk away from, make sure they can never vote again, and privatize the prisons so cronies can get rich and make lots of campaign contributions.

  • The_Wretched

    If the felony convictions weren’t heavily biased by race, I’d be more interested in the question of whether or not felons should get to vote. As it is, bogus felony convictions are used to disenfranchise the black community at least in part to remove their ability to vote (and own guns and get housing and get employment or good paying jobs). As such, the felony non-voter laws have to go away.

    • clay

      Meanwhile, too many Alabama voters seem to favor electing a probable felon.

  • Stubenville

    So “Tex” Moore is clutching his pearls because the opposition is doing something to their advantage that is entirely legal?

  • joe ho

    Three post-Thanksgiving polls of Alabama:

    Moore +5
    Moore +5
    Moore +6

  • Cuberly Deux

    So Moore’s followers would forgive a pedo but think that a felon should be marked and shunned politically for life?

    Further evidence, their religion of “forgiveness” is whatever they say it is that particular day.

  • Pip

    I don’t know why he’s so worried. He’s going to win. The GOP and Alabama “Christians” are going to come out in droves and support him. Because, as we’ve all recently seen better a pedo than a Dem.

  • canoebum

    My prediction: he wins, but is quickly expelled from the Senate for repeatedly hitting on the female pages.

  • rednekokie

    That is a good thing to do. Other states should follow suit. When a person has paid their time, they shouldn’t be continually punished. When these people have done their time, they should be considered “former felons” – not “felons”. And they should, by all means, vote their preference.

  • Nowhereman

    That’s democratIC, asshole, and how do you know that these felons aren’t republicans? It’s stands to reason that most of them are, considering it’s Alabama.

  • WTHella

    According to Alabama state law, the deadline to register to vote in an Alabama election is 15 days before the election. 15 days before this election was Nov 27th, last monday. http://sos.alabama.gov/alabama-votes/faqs

  • Thornton

    HEY!…..As Reba McEntire sings it…….”Sshhhh…..it happens.” And Roy, Poor Baby.. …Wahhhh…..Wahhhhh….Wahhhh……You molesting hypocrite!