Garrison Keillor Fired Over “Inappropriate Behavior”

The Associated Press reports:

Garrison Keillor, the former host of “A Prairie Home Companion,” says he’s been fired by Minnesota Public Radio over allegations of improper behavior. Keillor told The Associated Press of his firing in an email. In a follow-up statement, he says he was fired over “a story that I think is more interesting and more complicated than the version MPR heard.” He didn’t give details of the allegation. Minnesota Public Radio didn’t immediately respond to messages.

  • Jesus, guy. What would Pastor Ingvist say??

    • Tawreos

      Who do you think made the accusations.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Unlike Vegas, what happens on the prairie doesn’t stay there.

  • fuzzybits

    Have heard rumors for quite awhile.

    • BeaverTales

      I heard he was gay…and closeted

      • fuzzybits

        Yea,I’ve heard that too.

  • ChrisInKansas

    If I was a straight man in these times, I think I’d be scared shitless to have any conversation at all with any woman in any setting.

    • laura

      How about don’t be a perv.

      • ChrisInKansas

        I’ve been taken for 21+ years and haven’t had or wanted to flirt with anyone in a long time. I can’t imagine how nervous I’d be nowadays if I wanted to show interest in someone else.

        • ColdCountry

          I used to work with a guy, homely as a mud fence, who had all kinds of women showing interest. Why? He was respectful and polite. He wasn’t interested, he was very married, but he could have scored with a lot of women had he wanted.

          • cleos_mom

            We’ve all known men like that.

            I immediately thought of the manager of a small suburban airport I met several years ago. Technically a dorky middle-aged, very-much-married guy.

    • Publius

      I think as gay people this is a bit baffling indeed. I think we tend to be a bit more handsy and flirty. If we had a nickle everytime we were inappropriately touched or harassed in a gay bar, then we’d be billionaires.

      • m_lp_ql_m

        As it is, I’m paying people nickles to inappropriately touch and harass me. 🙁

        • Publius

          😉

        • Javier Smith

          at some point we all get to the age where you have to roofie your own drinks.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        Before my ass fell, it use to get grabbed often.

      • ColdCountry

        I think a lot of non-Americans find this baffling as well.

        • Salton

          The same is happening in France and other places.

          • ColdCountry

            Good! In a lot of cultures, people touch each other more than they do here, but it’s not sexual touching, just a human connection. Americans never seemed to learn that.

          • Salton

            You’re exactly right. In this country people are afraid to touch. We, Europeans, are more open, I think, and probably less hypocritical.

          • ColdCountry

            And probably healthier for it. This country relates everything to sex. Everything. And there is the overriding feeling that sex is naughty. We love it, of course, but we’re taught we aren’t supposed to.

          • Salton

            So true!

      • Tawreos

        I miss those days, now I think I may have to fly somewhere to get someone to grope me

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Spousal units can do that for you.

          • Tawreos

            No one is dumb enough to marry me =)

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            Hey, I found someone to marry me.

          • Tawreos

            Well you probably haven’t spent most of your life playing hard to want =)

      • Charlie 2001

        I recall being in a gay bar long ago and some guy coming up and grabbing my crotch. I’ve always thought what I should have said is that when we meet people we shake their HANDS. Much of the inappropriate touching in gay bars is alcohol related, IMO. That may be true of a lot of the things that have been coming about in media and politics too.

        • TuuxKabin

          I think it was the Jumping Frog, or Toad, on Polk Street, San Francisco, early, mid ’60’s, mode of operation to meet and greet. Grope. The door were constantly opening and closing with the coming and going, enter solo, leave a couple. Or more.

      • JeauxFan

        Yeah, but a gay bar is different because it’s not a work environment – ok for the bartenders, yes, obvs – and because there, one does not so often see the big power imbalance one sees between a man and a woman. I’d think it was funny if a man in a gay bar honked my boobz, but in a straight bar? I’d be a little scared. As Margaret Atwood so perfectly said, “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.”

      • thatotherjean

        It’s pretty simple, really. If you’re in a gay bar, flirting with somebody, it’s generally safe to assume that you are interested in some sort of sexual advance. If you’re in a workplace, especially if you’re being hit on by your boss or somebody who could affect your career, not so much. There, it’s inappropriate. That goes double if people of the opposite sex are doing the advancing, since most gay folk aren’t interested if you aren’t–at least, the ones I know. If you were touched, propositioned, or harassed by someone at work and you told them to stop it, too many people–mostly men–take that as a challenge, rather than a dismissal. That’s not good, and it needs to stop.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Dont go drinking with coworkers, straight or gay, i guess

          • thatotherjean

            Workplace romances, of whatever type, are rarely a good idea. If you’re just out with your co-workers, keep your hands to yourself, and think before you talk.

        • Publius

          Certainly there’s a big difference in expectations in a bar versus at work — that should go without saying. I suppose I was just commenting generally about how common it is in the gay community for people to be man-handled. It’s sort of a given, I guess, and something that isn’t strange to any of us.

          • jerry

            Weekend before last, I was out at the bars and had my ass grabbed a few times. At age 54, I don’t mind the attention.

          • thatotherjean

            Which is great, if that’s what you’re expecting–but not so much if it’s not.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      Young gay men can also make accusations, so we all need to keep watch on our behavior.

    • Andrea King

      Many women, straight or otherwise, have felt fear about meeting with some male colleagues for years but didn’t feel able to make their voices heard. I’m glad those who abuse their positions are getting pushback.

    • Keith D Plane

      makes that comment by Pence about not being alone with a women interesting

    • I wouldn’t be afraid. The most important thing is not to objectify women. There is nothing wrong being friendly, or making a good workplace, but one shouldn’t be talking like one is in a locker room, (or most likely in a man cave)

      We are human, we are sexual beings, but there has to be a level of trust and intimacy before showing off part of our reptile brain (ie our id) The workplace is not a place to do this.

      Men have to realize that women are constantly objectified, and they don’t have many tools to fight back with, they have to smile most of the time, and suck it up, or don’t looked upon as team players..

      Also what is going on, is not some compliment that was taken the wrong way, this is about men abusing their power and status within a company to either harass or sexually assault women.. This is pretty bad, and it is behavior that has been reinforced by the predator for possibly decades..

      • ChrisInKansas

        Good points.

    • The_Wretched

      Oddly enough, I’m not scared (bi guy). For a variety of reasons, I don’t touch anyone if I can avoid it and I don’t need or want to view coworkers as potential dates / jollies. Were I accused, it wouldn’t stick.

  • Mike C

    So that’s what “powdered milk biscuits” were…

    • Javier Smith

      “If your family’s tried ’em You know you’ve satisfied ’em. They’re a real hot item, powdered milk.” Hmm… I guess I can see it…

  • bkmn

    I’m a bit surprised he was still being paid by MPR.

    • Mark_in_MN

      From what I read on MPR news coverage, it sounds like it’s more of a case if not airing his programs and dissociating from his ventures. It does not seem that he was or is any longer formally an employee of MPR.

  • kareemachan

    Jeez, who isn’t gonna be fired?

    • Jonathan Smith

      donalD J. dRumph.
      unfortunately.

  • Jonathan Smith

    Gents: keep it in your DAMN pants!
    why is that so fucking hard to do?

    • ColdCountry

      And keep your hands in your pockets, and don’t say anything to a woman you wouldn’t want someone to say to your mother.

      • Jonathan Smith

        well, to be fair, my Mom was HOT!
        /s
        i’d kill the man i thought even went there.

        • another_steve

          Jonathan, in this current “Salem Witch Trial” phase of United States history, don’t make jokes about your mom being hot.

          The police might show up at your door.

      • another_steve

        Best just to be gay.

        (unless they start goin’ after the gay guys…)

      • bkmn

        Mother, sister, cousin, grandmother, daughter, niece, etc.

        • Jonathan Smith

          Father, Brother, Cousin, Grandfather, son, Nephew, etc….

  • JauntyJohn

    My fear is that without some nuance entering the discussion soon (i.e., there is a BIG difference between being a true predator a la Weinstein and Spacey vs. someone with bad boundaries who needs maybe a rolled up newspaper swat on the nose) there will be a backlash of some sort.
    NONE of the behavior is acceptable in the work place, but just as there are “degrees” of any crime there should be some consideration to that in this as well soon.

    • I don’t see this as a witch hunt. I see this as just desserts of men getting away for years, and thinking they were invulnerable. NPR stations or major Corporations don’t fired people with cause because of a rumor or one complaint written in a standard form to human resources..

      They have some strong evidence of harassment or assault.. They also have to act in a decisive manner, given they could be facing a huge lawsuit if they had documented proof and either refuse to do anything about it, or minimize the accusations.. Much like some of the craziness that went on with Massage Envy Corporate Headquarters..

      I am guessing what happened is that the rumors of many men, who had some power, turned out to be true, and they have been unceremoniously kicked to the curb..

      • I have a friend who met Mr. Keillor and says that he was very touchy feely, and that today’s events didn’t surprise her much at all.

    • Do Something Nice

      Someone with ‘bad boundaries’ ? We don’t even know the details. Employers don’t fire people without cause because they can be sued. And they can be sued for not taking action if there was sexual harassment or abuse and they didn’t take action.

      • The_Wretched

        “Employers don’t fire people without cause because they can be sued”
        Not really. That’s a minor effect and most corps get sued all the time for reasons that amount to nothing.

    • Butch

      This is from Wonkette:
      We should think about the fact that there’s a range of misbehavior, from the merely improper to the fully horrific, and that the same punishment will not be suitable for every guy we’re about to hear is skeevy. Al Franken made some bad jokes and crossed lines, probably without intending to. John Conyers had to settle lawsuits because he aggressively harassed women. Roy Moore molested or tried to molest minor children.

      Those are not all the same level of bad. Even if we could, we probably shouldn’t shoot them all into the sun. We are going to have to figure out how to handle this shift in social morality. If we assert that previously acceptable behavior or language shouldn’t have been — most living male comics will have made a few awful and demeaning jokes in their careers, for example — then we’re going to run into a lot of dudes who will need to be better but haven’t done anything to deserve chemical castration.

      Read more at https://wonkette.com/626259/we-actually-do-need-to-talk-about-witch-hunts#wd7qmAJvft4k0x8c.99

      • Do Something Nice

        Except these issues have festered for decades and nothing was ever done to support women coming forward with their stories of abuse, harassment and/or whatever. And often, those who did were the ones who suffered. Maybe somebody can take the lead and figure this out. But populist justice is better than no justice.

        • StraightGrandmother

          Well I agree with you.

          When there is a power imbalance as there always is between a boss and a lower level employee, whether a direct report or not, the woman always, always gets the short end of the stick. Men get a reprimand, if that, and women have their careers ruined. How fair is that?

          It broke my heart to see Garrison Keiler ID-ed as a sexual perpetrator, I bought and listened to many of his books on audio with my mother. It breaks my heart, but NOT enough to cover for him, NOT enough to close my eyes and pretend nothing ever happened. We gotta take these well known men down for their misdeeds so that other not famous men get the message that this is NOT acceptable behavior. It’s not ok.

          • Do Something Nice

            Well, even though we sometimes really disagree, it breaks my heart that your heart is broken to find that someone who you admired is guilty of this type of sexist behavior. That is a kick in the gut.

            I hope that somehow, this is all a step forward. And I hope that some of the comments here that seem unsupportive don’t get you down.

          • KarenAtFOH

            Shocking for me too. I listened to his show a lot in the 90’s when I lived in Wisconsin, and he really nailed the rural midwestern attitudes and behaviors.

        • Guy z

          Actually, it isn’t. Populist justice will lose you allies faster than you can say “jack robinson”.

          I am a feminist and a gay man. I want to root out behavior of this nature. Yet, I find myself struggling as more swift populist justice verdicts are handed out for repentant folks while actual predators get elected.

          Stonewall raised awareness. It was essential. It was “in your face”. It drew battle lines… but it was familiarity with normal, boring gay neighbors and siblings that won us allies for marriage equality.

          This is difficult. It is complicated. Populist justice is the last thing we need right now…The backlash will be swift….and long lasting.

          • Do Something Nice

            Well, you concern yourself about allies and process and I’ll focus upon long-overdue justice. Eventually we will sort this out. Until then I support these firings.

          • LookielouE1707

            No, it’s the edge activism – the stonewall et al – which moves the overton window so that mild-mannered gay neighbors seem normal and boring, rather than shocking. And the backlash against sexual assault activism is self-starting – it is as inspired by well-vetted allegations as by poorly-vetted ones, as we’ve seen so far – so arguments for due process should stand on their own, rather than relying on the threat of backlash which will come anyway.

      • Adam Stevens

        I don’t think the women who have put up with this for decades would agree that this is “previously acceptable behavior or language.”

        It’s rather shocking that a writer would even make that statement.

        Previously acceptable behavior seems to translate to ‘what men thought they should get away with.’

        • cleos_mom

          Yes, it does translate to that.

          But women are, and always have been, aware that this was previously accepted as a privilege of men with any degree of power. That’s exactly the problem — that it was accepted. And women were expected to laugh at the jokes.

          • MusicBear88

            I have women between the age of 50-80 in groups that I lead and some of them laugh when their daughters and granddaughters get offended because a construction worker whistled at them on the street or somebody at work made an off-color joke in their presence. At the same time, they are thankful that times have changed and it’s no longer quite as accepted as it used to be as a matter of course.

          • BlindBill

            Laugh or be fired with no letter of recomendation, be groped or be fired with no letter of recomendation, when the bottom line is one’s ability to pay the rent, women have been subjected to all levels of crude to rapey behavior because they had no alternative – while a preditor man knew a judge would not want to ruin a man’s carreer when “the woman was probably revenge lieing anyway” …… something we see Roy Moore saying about his underage victims. Women have been harrassed, abused and raped and expected to accept that they can do nothing about it without ruining their own reputation ….. I think that is what 45 refers to when he says MAGA ..Make All Groping Accaptable

        • Butch

          Please go read the whole piece first.

        • Guy z

          Let us be careful in our righteousness. Who knows what will be deemed unacceptable tomorrow? Sending pics of “happy junior” on grindr? Not to undermine this discussion, but at what point does past bad behavior with subsequent repentance get differentiated from persistent predatory behavior accompanied by denial and gloating?

          Eyes on the prize, my dear, eyes on the prize. Clean house, yes, but don’t reject Gore because Nader pointed out his flaws while ignoring Texan sized issues. The second example will send me to tears, so I’ll leave that as is.

          • Nowhereman

            Having grown up in the 50s and 60s when a lot of this sexist crap was deemed “acceptable” by a lot of men including my father, I have had it up to here with all of it. I don’t care what their politics are. And for the most part, the accusations I’ve heard were NEVER morally acceptable. They were merely gotten away with because men hold all the power.

        • Gerry Fisher

          You’re ignoring her introduction about all of this being a social phenomenon, not a personal one. “Societal norms.” For more information about previous social norms, review Angela Landsbury’s recent comments talking about how “women own some responsibility for this, because we’ve always focused on being pretty.” (?!!)

          • seant426

            Angela Lansbury is as tone deaf as Ann Coulter. That’s like saying good-looking men deserve to have their asses pinched by random women on the subway simply because their pants fit snug.

        • Joseph Miceli

          Then we get bogged down in hostile environment arguments against women. Yes there are a LOT of terrible men out there, and then there are some that are just clueless.

      • Gerry Fisher

        This was a good read. (The intro was a bit long, but it comes together mid way.)

      • iMacBob

        Roy Moore DID NOT molest any children. Get you head straight! That was a deliberate left wing plant with no truth.

      • Nowhereman

        It was “previously acceptable” to beat your wife, and to rape her if she wasn’t in the mood. Previously acceptable to some men, that is. It was never acceptable to women or to decent men.

    • bzrd

      Interesting, NPR was interviewing a woman the other day who did a study of men who cat-call. Many thought they were being nice to women. Some thought it was a good way to start a conversation. Listening, it seemed all were clueless. When the interviewer pointed some women might seem okay with this, it was because they were afraid a negative response might lead to harm. This got through to some of the cat callers who promised to change their behavior.

      • netxtown

        hmmmm……as I understand it – we all go through personality modifcations as we mature mostly based on the feedback we get from others. Our jokes weren’t funny. We got busted for lies. We failed to do what we said we would do. AND – the way we feel about how we look comes from the same feedback. Yes, your ass does look fat in those chaps.

        Which brings me around to how men and women both use affirmations from ‘admirers’ to the same extent as above. Did we get more ‘hits’ doing cowboy drag? prep? Leather? blue jean? You can bet your best sunday sundress when I went out I wore what got the most qualified hits!

  • Dayglo

    He also lost his seat on the Ketchup Advisory Board.

  • LeeCMH

    I’ll miss the News from Lake Wobegon.

  • fastlanestranger

    Ashes
    Ashes
    They all fall down

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Like toy soldiers

  • Rocco

    I have never understood his appeal…

    • anne marie in philly

      me neither.

      • Gustav2

        It is very Midwestern.

        • Jonathan Smith

          so, it was interesting in the 1850’s?

          • Gustav2

            Yes, then too.

          • cleos_mom

            Those were the days of REAL TV and radio programming.

    • Dayglo

      It’s his sex appeal.

      • Rocco

        Lol

      • Todd

        Yeah, sex appeal; that’s it. If you find the love child of Kim Davis and Andy Rooney sexy, more power to you!

    • Natty Enquirer

      He was a thing in the 80s and 90s. His time is long past.

      • Rocco

        I remember, but I found him repulsive and irritating. I thought it was just me…

        • Natty Enquirer

          Keillor made good radio wallpaper. A soothing tone, slow delivery. He was easy to listen to. I actually worked at a public radio station when his show went network.

          • Rocco

            Lol…not for me….it’s got to be me…the moment that show came on…the first few breaths of that voice…ugh…always turned the dial.

          • TuuxKabin

            Or leave the room.

          • Bink Binkerson

            Annoying and cloying. Never could stand his faux mellow Midwest bullshit, and all the harmonicas & accordions.

          • Rocco

            Lol…thank you!

        • TuuxKabin

          Nope.

      • TuuxKabin

        What kind of thing?

    • He is a magnificent story teller, and had the raised-in-a-small-town advantage of being an “Everyman”.
      Unfortunately, he fell down, and now he has to pay the price for that.
      #ifalldowntoo

    • Jmdintpa

      it was like listening to someone scratch a chalkboard

  • ColdCountry

    It’s about respect, gentlemen. You don’t get to be an asshole just because you have a dick and (or) some power.

  • whollyfool

    I’ve actually heard he wasn’t as nice as he seemed. Will be interesting to hear more and see if anyone else comes out.

    • Natty Enquirer

      That became quite obvious when I read some of his post-Wobegone political essays.

    • Todd

      I never saw PHC live, but a friend did. She, being an excellent judge of character, decided that Keillor was a very unhappy person.

      • BearEyes

        I’ve seen PHC live twice. Unhappy? Good probability. Very? Not sure.
        Does (did) a good show though.

  • Hornbori

    It’s been an eventful week in Lake Wobegon

  • boobert

    I guess me singing ” like a virgin” to the girls( and boys) at work means I can never be president.

    • Tawreos

      You are going to have to do some grabbing and forced kissing to get those hopes back on track

    • another_steve

      I once inappropriately slapped my biological sister on the tush.

      She emailed me this morning.

      She’s filing a complaint.

      • Daveed_WOW

        You had it coming.

  • Gustav2
    • Friday

      Curious.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Vintage Keillor. Wink-wink coyness and delusions of being Mark Twain give way to, of course, how silly all this talk of resignation is. No reasoning to back it up. Just trust the funny man.

      • William

        Mark Twain was a dirty old man.

    • Veylon

      Between those two, things are hitting close to home.

  • greenmanTN

    I posted this elsewhere about this story…

    I’ll be interested to hear what the allegations are. Every one of these accusations needs to be looked at on a case by case basis and investigated. Not to cast doubt on any accuser or to defend Keillor or any other person in particular, but I’m leery of sudden trends like this, especially when accusation and guilt are automatically assumed to be the same thing.

    • Natty Enquirer

      It is trending toward a moral panic.

      • Boreal

        Except for the total lack of moral focus on the orange shitstain.

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed…we’ve seen this before and it never ends well.

      • Jonathan Smith
      • TKW

        “Trending”- what a stupid word of the times. I can’t wait for this one to pass….

        • Natty Enquirer

          Indeed? What do you prefer? “Careening,” “hurtling,” “devolving,” “tottering,” something else? Do tell, o thesauric one.

          • David L. Caster

            How about just eliding such unnecessary adjectives?

          • Natty Enquirer

            Huh? We are talking about present participles.

          • David L. Caster

            Used without a helping verb, the present participle functions as an adjective. Isn’t that the case here?

          • cleos_mom

            There’s always “moseying”.

          • William

            This is the express mosey lane.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            Once, about 3:00 am, there were 2 cars side-by-side traveling the speed limit on the freeway; I was traveling about 95 and was traveling in a packet with 2 empty logging trucks (they may or may not have noticed that I enjoyed traveling with one of them behind me and one next to me at speeds – I grew up in Montana with no speed limit). Suddenly, their bright idea of keeping everyone lawful did not seem like such a good idea since we came up on them about 30 mph faster and hung on their bumpers – it did not take one of them long to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY.

            That was one heck of a trip for me – my ex and I were moving from Tucson to Raleigh separately, I traveled from Tucson to Bozeman MT to see family to Raleigh. I discovered that my car could go 113 mph downhill and that I forgot about Wyoming when I planned the trip from AZ to MT.

          • TKW

            Devolving. I like it! And gives a much better sense of where our civilization is heading!

        • Bink Binkerson

          It’s almost as dumb as “BREAKING” preceding every. fucking. story.

          • Treant

            Thank you, that’s another pet peeve. The winner of the dog show is not “BREAKING!” news, it was going to happen. “Next up, we’ll show you the little dachshund that could…” is perfectly fine. Don’t over-hype me, I start ignoring you.

          • Snarkaholic

            You should see how people were going crazy on Twitter over the news that the show ‘Jersey Shore’ is being renewed.
            This is why I stopped watching TV. They really do play to the lowest common denominator.

          • Treant

            I’m shocked. Shocked.

            You know the rest. :-p

          • William

            Can we send the coordinates to that nice Mr Kim in North Korea?

          • TuuxKabin

            Ah, there you are. Today’s Google Doodle, Gertrude Jekyll. Botanist, or some plant related field. Horticulturist I think. Did a lot of gardens.

          • Treant

            Busier than average today. Plus I just had a phone meeting during which I heard blathering about things that just don’t matter or that I can adjust with a switch flip.

            I saw that, how cool is it to have the Queen of Gardens as a Google doodle!

          • ChrisMorley

            Renowned British gardener d1932 who designed hundreds of amazing gardens in Britain, France and the US. Worked in close collaboration with the inspired English Architect of the Country House, Edwin Lutyens. https://www.greatbritishgardens.co.uk/garden-designers/29-gertrude-jekyll-1843-1932.html

          • Tor

            So and so “took to Twitter” is my peeve.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            “This just in, Ferdinand Franco is still dead. Film at 11.”

          • Snarky

            Francisco Franco is the still dead one. Though I’m sure we could find a still-dead Ferdinand too. 🙂

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            D’oh!

          • William

            Franz Ferdinand?

          • thatotherjean

            He’s still dead, too.

          • Snarky

            The person, dead. The band, still alive and presumed Scottish.

          • cleos_mom

            A few weeks ago, one of KC’s network affiliates featured “breaking news” about a cow loose in Brooklyn. It was a new low.

          • William

            Then there was the time the Austin tv weatherman broke into a program to tell us it wasn’t raining.

          • ChrisMorley

            Like PickyPecker they are not keen on the Slaughtering that goes on in urban abbatoirs.
            I celebrate their escapades and urban explorations.

        • Treant

          I gotta agree. “Tending” is actually more indicative of what’s going on here. “Careening” also works, and implies the eventual crash we all know is coming, in which accusers now have even less assumed honesty.

    • another_steve

      Elsewhere I’ve drawn a comparison to the Salem Witch Trials.

      She’s a witch! Burn her!

      Yes, it’s beginning to look a bit…weird.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        Thing is, nobody is a witch, but sexual annoyance is real and widespread. (no pun intended)

        I will bet you know more women who have been harassed at some point than those who haven’t.

        Ask around. You may be surprised.

        • another_steve

          Others are making this point, which I agree with: Sexual annoyance / vulgar language / inappropriate “for fun” touching (see: Al Franken) is not the same as sexual harassment and abuse.

          I’m afraid what we may be seeing today is a conflating of these things, and that, imo, is a sad development.

          • thatotherjean

            I think the point at which inappropriate behavior becomes harassment is when you tell someone to stop it, and they persist.

          • another_steve

            Yes. I agree.

            Good distinction, jean.

          • Matt G, Rochester

            Ten million upvotes! Until someone says “STOP!”, there is no harassment. Even one comment or touch AFTER someone says STOP absolutely IS harassment!

          • LookielouE1707

            This is like saying shoplifting isn’t the same as “real” theft. No, it’s all theft, even if there are gradations of seriousness from snatching a candy bar to grand theft auto. And it’s not a good sign when you have to shift the goalposts from denial to minimization, from “this is a witchhunt” to “yeah the behavior is real, but let’s speculate it’s not as bad as is being let on.”

    • Ben in Oakland

      It’s our current national feeding frenzy. Keep the rubes entertained.

      • David L. Caster

        Well, at least distracted if not amused.

    • Treant

      You, this, perfect. We’ve ascended to the level of Satanic Day Cares in the1970’s.

      Yes, I’ve been yelled at for that comparison before but…really? We’re now going to believe any allegation, no matter how specious, just because it’s spoken by a certain sort of person we’re currently inclined to believe? No thank you.

      • greenmanTN

        We all know that sexual harassment and assault is a daily reality, but it does not follow that therefore every accusation is valid or true.

        Tawana Brawley. The Satanic Panic And recovered memory cases. The girl who scratched backward B on her face. The several alleged hate-crime attacks on POC and gays that turned out to be fake.

        People DO lie and exaggerate for many reasons, some just to get attention, and “me too” can be just a little too easy unless there is evidence.

        • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

          Morton Downey Jr and his fake swastika. He drew it on himself in the mirror, so it was backwards.

        • Treant

          (still waiting for that meeting!) Precisely. I’m inclined to state that 98% base are completely true.

          That’s not good enough to send somebody to jail (proverbially or literally).

          • Ninja0980

            I believe your number is accurate as well but 2% is still a lot.
            And like you and a few others, I fear we will encounter one of those soon enough and that will be the end of the me too and predators getting their due.

          • Treant

            I’m setting a floor value (basically, if the number falls under that, the program needs to flag that and start sounding alarms all over the place!)

          • Grumpy Old Man

            But ‘they’ will trumpet the 2% as proof the other 98% are also false – sigh.

          • Ninja0980

            I know..frustrating part out of all of it.

        • William

          Making false accusations can be a way of saving one’s own job and getting rid of a co-worker to boot.

        • jerry

          And every claim ever made by James O’Keefe.

      • MT YVR

        This is exactly what I was saying and got schooled over.

        We’re also rapidly approaching a point at which – I would bet here and now actually – employers start to feel that if they don’t have SOME response at all to ANY allegation they will get into shit that will be damaging. And so… an allegation is made of that is “he made jokes that were sexist” is treated with nuclear fire as if it’s the same as “he raped me” and results in firing. Because otherwise?

        “They’re just giving him a pass because he’s a guy. They don’t really care about women.”

        This rhetoric worries the fuck out of me. Not because I believe any of these are false. Not because I think it’s not an actual huge issue. But because we’re rapidly passing actual accountability and approaching dogmatic, nuclear option level responses to even a glimmer of this. Which, to me at least, is no better than the unending amount of history prior to this where we ignored it.

        • Treant

          Egg. Zactly. What will eventually stop this is the push back as people who were unfairly let go sue the crap out of their previous employers and win, or at least expose a massive amount of dirt and associations the company never bothered to consider.

          It’ll cost them a lot of money and a lot of trust. Prove your accusation or don’t act on it.

          I actually do believe some of these are false, because we already have a false one. That should be a huge red flag, but unfortunately? Apparently I hate women or something…

          Very well then, I hate women enough to demand that we follow the rules laid out in our own Constitution.

          (You get the idea; I’m speed-typing and coming up on a 1:30 phone meeting; I’m ready, but don’t want to crowd myself in case the phone rings early!)

          • MT YVR

            Yep, I get you.

            I had the exact same conversation, if you recall, here.

            I also tend to think that the kneejerk “let’s just treat them all the same” reaction is actually VERY much a bad thing. It is no less an effort to sweep things under the rug than any other, when it gets to an extreme. Because it becomes a matter of not really giving a shit about the truth of things and just wanting “it” to go away.

            “Fine fine, fire the fucker and let’s stop talking about this.”

            I’d rather they get fired and sent to jail (seriously… why the fuck isn’t Weinstein headed there, or Spacey or…) and we clearly as a culture put down a boundary. Saying this shit isn’t on.

            But as you say, apparently that’s apologist, I don’t understand, etc.

            I HATE that this shit sounds like apologists for men raping and not like, as it is in my head, accountability.

          • KarenAtFOH

            Being fired and being sent to jail are two different levels of response. Being convicted of a criminal act and thereby losing one’s freedom requires a much more in-depth investigation and court proceeding. Employment in this country is largely on a at-will basis, and people can be let go for any reason, unless it falls under one of the protected classes (race, religion, gender, etc.)

          • MT YVR

            Yes. I’m genuinely aware of that. I still stand by my comments.

            As a person who’s part of a portion of the population who historically could lose jobs (and in some places still can) for being accused of being gay, the differentiation, the sophistry of “but it’s at will” means exactly zilch to me other than “water is wet”.

            Yes, I’m aware. I don’t particularly care. I still think it’s all kinds of scary.

          • Matt G, Rochester

            But, absent a conviction, publicly firing someone tar and feathers them to any future employer. Rumor when Katie Couric left was that Lauer was creating a “hostile” workplace, but if Kiellor’s story is true, he should counter sue her AND NPR.

          • Treant

            I’m still waiting for an accused man to laugh in HR’s face and simply reply, “My husband is going to love this story.”

          • William

            That’s what my partner told the nice lady from HR. He also mentioned the two written complaints he had previously filed regarding the co-worker and the third written complaint he was due to file the day he was terminated. Didn’t matter. The HR lady could only find the first one. Nobody said anything about how word of his coming third written complaint got to the woman who accused him. Their supervisor knew all about it.

          • Treant

            I’d sue a bitch, but I’m not a nice person.

          • William

            He should have listened to me and filed the complaint instead of talking to the supervisor first. It doesn’t count if it isn’t in writing.

          • Treant

            Even then, it doesn’t count. I used to work for a Catholic hospital where complaints were…accidentally misplaced…with ridiculous regularity. Including mine.

            That’s OK, I got fired shortly thereafter, and could that…misplaced…report have had something to do with it just because it landed on my boss’ desk? Of course it didn’t! :-p

            They did fight me on unemployment and went down in flames.

          • William

            I have a wicked streak and have sent written complaints to all parties upstream.

          • Treant

            And heard little, I’m sure, to even less actual action. 🙂

            One minor problem with walking out the person who handles the interop capabilities between all the hospital systems? He’s unlikely to answer calls when the link between the major registration system and the lab systems goes down…like it does every Friday morning at 6 AM.

          • William

            There was a problem with the pluming in my apartment in Houston. The property manager was useless. I took the names from the corporate letterhead, pasted them into a letter, hit print and popped those suckers into the mail. A few days later I had a call from the # two in the company. They offered me the newly renovated apartment in the next building or to get out of my lease.

            The property manager asked if he could have a copy of that letter. Too bad I didn’t have any extra.

          • gaycuckhubby

            That won’t save you now.

          • Treant

            Not in this environment.

            I’ve now shifted to sympathy for the accused rather than the accuser, much like I have great sympathy for anybody being yelled at by their boss when the boss starts piling on pointless accusations and rants.

          • Ninja0980

            Not just that but the lynching of folks if they don’t immediately condemn or rip apart a friend/relative when these stories come out or the belief that rumors=proof and that the person must have known.
            Yashar Ali (for all his good work) is bad at that.

        • William

          The State of Texas policy is to fire the accused immediately, no investigation required. This is for state employees, not legislators or other elected officials of course.

          • Treant

            What happens if the person in question bursts into tears in the office and confesses in a hurt whisper, “She’s been touching me for months against my will! Now she wants me out before I tell anybody!”

          • William

            The accused has already be terminated (‘removed from the workplace’ in State HR lingo) before anyone official even talks to him.

          • Treant

            I mean, it’s Texas, but they haven’t been sued for that?

          • William

            It’s still a ‘Right to Work’ state. You can be fired because it’s Tuesday.

          • Treant

            So’s PA, but you can still sue your employer for wrongful termination, get unemployment benefits, and so on, and they have to prove the allegation.

          • William

            He did get unemployment.

          • William

            “Wrongful Termination” is a rare bird in Texas. Lots of people claim it, very few win.

      • Reality.Bites

        How do you know how many allegations are dismissed as groundless every day?

        • Treant

          I don’t have to. Obviously; the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Any accusation that doesn’t bear out with the DA or the courts is obviously legally groundless.

          • LookielouE1707

            Burden-shifting is never a good sign. And every time you disbelieve an allegation you are lodging an accusation, of false reporting/obstruction of justice etc against the sexual misconduct complainant, which places the burden of proof back on you. It’s a measure of the actual moral panic going on here that completely baseless speculation about false allegation is being openly tolerated while the underlying accusations are treated as witchhunts.

            Also, if what you’re saying is the bar should be set at 49 true complaints to every 1 false one, you’re way off the deep end – even the standard hyperbolic formulation is 10 guilty men set free for every innocent one. 98% absolutely is enough to send someone to jail, literally, in a sensible system – to say otherwise is de facto decriminalization of the underlying behavior.

          • Treant

            I’m not prosecution, you’re an idiot, and I’m not tolerating feminazis today. Blocked, bye, fuck off.

          • LookielouE1707

            No, no, you’re supposed to say “cuck”, “feminazi” is outdated. And I guess I’ll just have to wait for someone else to explain the appeal of blocking. You understand I’m not speaking to you, but to your audience, right? And you can’t stop me from continuing in the debate by sticking your head in the sand.

          • Treant

            Oh, dear, I did forget to block you. No, you can continue in the debate…did your little delusional voice tell you I was trying to stop you?

            It’s just that I’m blocking you, which means you don’t appear to me. Not whatever that little voice was telling you I meant. You know, the lie you just told? That one? The one you’ve already forgiven yourself for because I deserved it or something? Yeah, that one.

            I still use feminazi; if you’re going to be an anti-male, always-believe-the-female fascist, enjoy being called one. The other word I’m thinking we’re really not supposed to use here.

          • LookielouE1707

            Oh, so you were lying before when you claimed to have blocked me. You realize there’s a limit to the number of times you can use that line, right?

            And yes, when you tell people to fuck off, that is to leave the conversation, you’re trying to deter their continued presence in that conversation (ineffectually, of course). I’d ask you what else you could possibly intend by that phrase, considering you were supposedly going to block me, which means you couldn’t have been trying to cut off personal contact with it, since you were already blocking such contact.

            This still leaves unresolved the question of why causing me not to appear to you would have any value – do you have a problem with object permanence or something? Do you pretend people don’t exist as long as you can’t see them? But of course answers to such questions will never appear, since you’ve surely blocked me for real this time 🙂

            Oh, and I’ve told no lies about you in this conversation, in my first two posts I didn’t even make any statements about you specifically which could even be lies. My dealings with you have been 100% kosher, so I have nothing that needs to be forgiven. And I’m surprised by your position, if I’m reading you right, that one of those two words is more acceptable than the other. But I guess you can’t explain that, can you?

          • Treant

            Blast, blocking you is harder than I thought, it keeps slipping. OK, out come the big guns for the Nazi and Russian trolls; a full-on killfile!

            C U Next Tuesday, Russian troll bitch!

          • LookielouE1707

            Yeah, it’s really hard to block people when you’re not actually doing anything and merely pretending to block them for rhetorical effect, I get it. But it doesn’t make sense to bring up russian trolling when you’re the one trotting out sexual assault denialism, which is their stock in trade. Nobody has less in common than a feminazi and a russian troll, you might as well go full deplorable on us and suggest hillary and putin are pals.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Like most recent publicized cases, this is a private business matter. The business in question clearly did their own investigation.

      • The_Wretched

        I don’t trust internal processes.

        • Daveed_WOW

          m’kay. You don’t trust the women victims either. Got it.

          • The_Wretched

            no, that’s a trumpian level non-sequitur.

          • Daveed_WOW

            when in Rome

    • bobbyjoe

      My husband puts it this way: as gay men we should be particularly alert about false accusations; historically, gay men have been particularly vulnerable to having their lives and careers destroyed by whatever spurious accusation was made against them. While we should definitely take credible accusations with the full attention they deserve, treating any accusation, no matter what, with instant acceptance as truth is a very dangerous road.

      • iambu

        I think part of the problem (and weeks…months in, I’m still working a lot of this shit out in my head, so sorry if this is a little sloppy) is that we don’t have very good structures in place for genuine victims to come foreword and be believed – we’re in an all-or-nothing kinda mindset. I think a lot of it has to do with the historical shaming of assaulted women, a “boys will be boys” attitude, a general mistrust of women or painting them as drama queens/can’t take a joke, and, ultimately, treating women like they don’t belong in the spaces they occupy, so if they’re present in those spaces, they should *expect* some discomfort (i.e. “She knew what she was signing up for.”). We need to figure this out fast. As an abuse survivor myself, I have a knee-jerk instinct to believe everyone, because there have been times when I wasn’t believed and that’s a SERIOUSLY bad feeling; but the calmer parts of me that wanna see all of this set right doesn’t wanna live in a society where literally anyone (‘cept that pervert WH squatter, apparently) can be destroyed by a dishonest or opportunistic utterance. I wish I had better ideas about finding the right balance here, but I don’t. Got some more thinkin’ to do…

    • William

      Exactly. I know personally of two sexual harassment cases that were total bullshit. Both involved women who were about to be disciplined or fired when they played the sexual harassment card.

    • Guy z

      Amen!

    • -M-

      Presumably MPR had some evidence or knowledge of a pattern backing up the allegation.

      • robindaybird

        There’s been rumors for years of Keillor being unreasonably touchy-feely and being a general jackass

    • Nowhereman

      Women are finally feeling safe to speak out. And a lot of them are. This has been bottled up for centuries much like racism. A lot of the women are getting death threats. Sexist men do NOT want to let go of their control over women and their bodies. It’s the same mentality that won’t stop until women not only lose access to abortions, but to birth control as well.

  • Joseph Miceli

    This is getting crazy. Has any man in broadcasting NOT taken advantage of women? Oh… and I’m STILL waiting for the employees of CEO’s and major companies to start matching the entertainment community with complaints. You can’t tell me it is not happening at Goldman-Sachs or that the percentage of abuse is less.

    • ColdCountry

      It happens EVERYWHERE.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Missed the point. The question was rhetorical. Why isn’t it being reported?

        • ColdCountry

          Why isn’t it being reported? I thought that was the rhetorical question.
          Women don’t report because:
          they don’t want to lose their jobs
          they don’t want to be vilified
          they don’t think anyone will believe them
          Men don’t report other men because:
          they don’t want to be ostracized
          they don’t want it found out that they are doing the same thing
          they don’t want things to change

          • Joseph Miceli

            You missed the point again . All these women are coming forward in the entertainment industry . I’m sure there is just as much abuse in the banking and investment industries . If they are coming forward in the entertainment industry what is stopping them in the others ?

          • ColdCountry

            You’re missing the point. The reasons are still there! But the dam is cracking, and it will eventually wash away. I hope. Why it started where it did is open to speculation, but at least it started somewhere.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I’m not missing the point you just keep not answering the damn question . Look I’m glad people in the entertainment industry are being called out on this I just don’t believe that they are the only ones and you answered with generic reasons why women don’t report sexual harassment . Fine those are real reasons now explain why we are only hearing about people in the entertainment community . If you can’t answer that then don’t bother just don’t give me generic answers to why all women don’tReport sexual harassment that wasn’t the question I asked

          • ColdCountry

            Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Sigh. Never mind. Now I don’t care anymore. Have a good day.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I think of migrant farm workers, documented or otherwise.
      They will never have justice.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Modern slavery. The American dream, no OSHA, no EPA, no unions, they can do whatever they’d like.

    • Do Something Nice

      20 people were fired at Uber and the CEO was forced out because of sexual harassment. Many other executives in the tech industry have also been fired to forced out. It takes time but I’m happy with this long-overdue housecleaning.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Then I wish THAT was making the news more. But no, even the media is promoting the message that the media is corrupt. It is in furiating.

    • Tulle Christensen

      Anderson Cooper perhaps?

      • Joseph Miceli

        You say that, but they DID just get Garrison Kieler.

    • There are many men in broadcasting who trod the straight and narrow, just as there are many men everywhere who do the same.

    • Gretchen

      I’m guessing it doesn’t make the national news when Bob from accounting is fired for sexually harassing his administrative assistant. Short of a national who’s who list I’m not sure it’s possible to know these things in industries that don’t have name recognition or major scandals.

      An unrelated thought: As someone who finds issue with even some aspects of the sexual offender registry, I have a real problem with making people completely unemployable for the rest of time over allegations that haven’t even made it to a court room let alone been tried. If you have just cause to fire someone, that’s one thing, but giving them a front page Scarlet A is something else. I’m glad that sexual harassment and assault are being taken seriously, but I am starting to get nervous about how this is being handled. There is no way to fight back against an allegation that’s being tried in the press. I have been wrong before. I may be wrong about this.

      • thatotherjean

        No, I don’t think you’re wrong. Some sort of due process really needs to be worked out, soon.

      • Joseph Miceli

        I think this Rush to fire people without going through some kind of process is dangerous . They might’ve done it they might not , but I remember the child molest station witchhunts where an entire school full of teachers went to jail and were exonerated 10 years later . They went to trial , these days all it takes is an allegation . Kind of scary .

  • shellback

    Garrison Keillor Fired Over “Inappropriate Behavior”
    With a human?

    • Jonathan Smith

      “of the female type”

    • Treant

      Neigh.

  • Lazycrockett

    Lake Wobegon
    “Where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average and I’ve touched them all”

    • Mikey

      Lake Hebegone
      “Where all the women are relieved, all the men a bit frightened, and all the children feel just a bit safer today.”

  • bkmn
    • Treant

      It’s simple logical twists like this that convince me that Dumpster really is that dumb.

      • The_Wretched

        Or he expects his privilege to protect him like it has through at least 13 credible cases including the rape of a 13 year old.

    • Ninja0980

      Release the Apprentice tapes!

  • TheManicMechanic

    The place will be renamed “Lake Hebegon.”

    • Boreal
    • Treant

      Lake FiredWithoutProofBeGon*. Where the men run scared, the women aren’t sure what the fuck is going on, and the children have no assurance of growing up in a world that actually assumes innocent until proven guilty.

      * As far as we know at this point. Is it coincidence that all this is happening as Moore’s Kiddie-Fucking Candidacy marches forward? No. It’s not. And we just fell for it again.

      • TheManicMechanic

        It is certainly no coincidence this is happening now. While I am all for those who’ve actually assaulted other in the past getting their day in court, this is the Repugs co-opting the #metoo discussion in a way that benefits them. Al Franken’s case is the prime example. It’s a lot of distraction while Trump burns down the USA, for one, and it’s kicking the legs out of the movement of real justice being done (aka Moore) and turning it into a free-for-all.

        • Treant

          Yep. And as I noted, we happily fell for it yet again.

          I gave up on the USA in November of 2016, at least in its present incarnation. I have most recently reached the point where I think that 98% of humanity should DIAF.

          And that’s on a good day.

          • TheManicMechanic

            I vowed that I would write everyone who supported/voted for Trump out of my life the day he was installed. Some of those folks really showed their nasty side when I began the process. It was cathartic kicking these people out of my life, and I am better for it overall.

          • Treant

            I’ve also jettisoned most of those people–only the ones I’ve scared straight or at least scared silent remain. (I’m five foot eight, thin, and people still fear a lash from my tongue). 🙂

            It’s certainly a lot nicer, and I got rid of some of the dead weight at the same time.

  • boobert

    Start with the moron, and maybe people would realize bad behavior won’t be rewarded.

  • Salton

    When it rains, it pours!

  • Snarky

    He put the “gone” in Lake Wobegon. Also the “woe,” apparently.

  • shivadog

    Now I will hopefully never have to listen to him read bad poetry in a monotone voice on NPR.

  • AlternativeQuacks

    You know, one solution to this would be gender-segregated workplaces like they have in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

    • Stuart ArtFart

      Oh yeah, that will work, ’cause men never sexually harrass other men. And women are never predatory toward their own!

      /sarcasm

  • Rex

    What’s next?
    Santa’s been dismissed for inappropriate behavior involving an elf?

    • Snarky

      Elves. Plural. That fucker couldn’t keep his mittens off the help.

    • Treant

      This time, it’s Mrs. Claus!

    • Reality.Bites

      Jeff Sessions been walking funny?

  • worstcultever
    • Reality.Bites

      So I’m confused – I should go up to the prettiest, most athletic and strongest woman I can find and say, “I know I look tough, but I’m a completely submissive bottom and if you’re also a bottom I can find ways to make it work for both of us.”

      Cuz that’s what I would want a man saying to me in prison.

      • Treant

        I had some problems with the above statement as well. While I’m disinclined to say anything even faintly sexy to any female ever under any circumstances including inebriation and brain damage… But I do go on. 😮

        You get the point.

    • Treant

      Amusingly, “I want you to fuck me” is now on the list of shit I can say to women on the street.

      Yes, I get it, it’s just that I find it facile.

  • gaycuckhubby

    I work in a majority queer business. Gay men better get with the program and learn boundaries quickly. I predict a clash in values soon within the queer community

    • Lazycrockett

      Ive worked in numerous gay bars and shit me nor any of my former co workers would ever work again.

  • TuuxKabin

    I’ve never been able to listen to the program. Forced hilarity. Cued laughter. was so obvious. Applause on cue. Good American corn.

    • jmax

      The few times I listened I thought it sounded like a radio version of Hee-Haw.

      • TuuxKabin

        Was rather asinine, yes.

    • bzrd

      I was given tickets when he was in Portland, Oregon years ago. We laughed when it was funny, no prompting. Watching them do sound effects for the skits was very interesting and entertaining, and the musicians were good. They’ve had a variety of singers and bands over the years. I enjoyed his program.

      • TuuxKabin

        I have heard very good bands and performers, I just can’t sit thru the program to get to that part of it. So I just don’t listen. My loss, maybe. There’s a group of us, Washington, DC, Portland, Berkeley and Virginia, evenly split as to enjoying, not enjoying the program. We split into groups when together and it comes on air if the radio is on. None of us talk about it, we just regroup and continue our visit.

    • Stuart ArtFart

      The best description of APHC I ever heard/read was:

      “It’s about as exciting as watching white paint dry.”

      • TuuxKabin

        At least you see something happen.

  • Blackfork
  • TexasBoy

    Apparently all is not well in Lake Wobegon…

  • pablo

    I laughed more at this news item than I ever did listening to his radio show.

  • Pluto Animus

    If this is Franken-level stuff, then once again Liberals have held their own to an arguably too-high standard of behavior, while Conservatives hold their own to no standard at all.

    One side overreacts, the other is comatose.

  • octobercountry

    I thought he retired years ago….

    • gaycuckhubby

      He retired as host of his show but still the other projects for NPR

  • pablo

    I remember we all had a good laugh at Mike Pence when he revealed that he wouldn’t meet with women unless his wife was present. I think he’ll have the last laugh.

  • octobercountry

    I’m not a huge fan of his “Prairie Home Companion,” (can’t stand a lot of the music.) But I absolutely loved his New-York based “American Radio Company of the Air,” which ran for a few years some time back… It featured actress/singer Ivy Austin, and focused on the “great American songbook” sort of music, rather than the hillbilly/gospel stuff.

  • Snarky

    Keillor’s side of the story (link below):

    In an email to the Star Tribune Wednesday, Keillor said, “I put my hand on a woman’s bare back. I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called.”

    Keillor even managed a joke of sorts: “Getting fired is a real distinction in broadcasting and I’ve waited fifty years for the honor. All of my heroes got fired. I only wish it could’ve been for something more heroic.”

    Then he turned more serious: “Anyone who ever was around my show can tell you that I was the least physically affectionate person in the building. Actors hug, musicians hug, people were embracing every Saturday night left and right, and I stood off in the corner like a stone statue.

    “If I had a dollar for every woman who asked to take a selfie with me and who slipped an arm around me and let it drift down below the beltline, I’d have at least a hundred dollars. So this is poetic irony of a high order. But I’m just fine. I had a good long run and am grateful for it and for everything else.”

    http://www.startribune.com/garrison-keillor-reportedly-fired-for-improper-behavior/460802703/#1

    • gaycuckhubby

      As I have stated before, I work in a queer owned business with many gay men as coworkers. Flirting was a very common thing. We now have a no hugging policy.

      • Reasonoverhate

        How sad and ridiculous that it has come to that….

  • JDS

    We are entering a time when all Men are guilty even if nothing is proved. Gay men will not be exempt from this witch hunt.

    • coram nobis

      So far it seems to be substantiated, and a longtime pattern of behavior with each of the accused, e.g., Kevin Spacey. (So far one accusation with George Takei, so let’s see if that’s all). Remember we’ve seen this pattern play out in, say, the Catholic Church, and the silence and denial took a long time to break open, and then a flood.

    • First this isn’t a witch hunt. Second, the people who have lost their jobs or have been accused, have been accused of either pretty outrageous behavior or flat out sexual assault. Third, these powerful men have been getting away with their behavior and actions for a decade or more, because of their power.. If you read about what Lauer did, it is pretty shocking..

      I don’t see a breaking point, or some guy getting fired, because he said “nice dress” at work. What I do see, is that men will find ways to subterfuge HR as Matt Lauer did.. It is more the Cat and Mouse game, where the sexual harassment and predatory behavior will never go away..

      • SFHarry

        I wish I had read what you wrote before commenting. It would have saved me some time and you said it much better 🙂

    • SFHarry

      except….. that’s not what is happening.

      • SFHarry

        Actually, I should back up what I think rather than just make a snarky comment.
        All of these cases we that have been in the news aren’t just someone telling a women she looks nice. They are repeated acts of aggression and humiliation. Pushing someone in the bathroom and starting to masturbate, groping their bodies, threatening their jobs if they don’t sleep with them, just to name a few.
        We are just hearing about all of them at once because there has been a sudden cultural shift where women are feeling more empowered and HR people are feeling more able to address the action of these men in power. We should be applauding this shift in power not worrying that some monster male boss might get their feelings hurt.

  • JIM W

    ……how soon everyone forgets the allegations make about Trump’s harassments and gropings…….

  • Ernest Endevor

    The Report From Lake Woebegone was one of the single greatest evocations of American life in a small town in the ’50s and ’60s ever recorded. At least the equal of Twain – a very overrated writer in my estimation, so perhaps my comparison isn’t so meaningful – and worthy of taking its place in the front ranks of American literature. And what made it all even more remarkable is that HE IMPROVISED EVERY MOTHERFUCKING WORD!!!!!!! He should have been receiving next year’s Twain Prize.

    This is tragic. And if he’s to be believed the woman is … I’m not going to say it. And let’s not forget his daily Writers’ Almanac. I know not so many around here think much of writers but that program is unique. And no, I never much cared for the way he read poetry – or sang for that matter – but who else is showcasing modern American poetry with the same dedication and love. He’s a national motherfucking treasure.

    I’m absolutely fucking heartbroken.

    • Stuart ArtFart

      American literature began with the publication of “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.”

      You can suck a pus-laden load out of the shriveled cock of GK if you want, but don’t throw shade at Mr. Samuel Clemens.

  • JCF
  • ajchar

    What craziness, even Mr. PHC. I’ve seen enough ugly results of messing in the workplace to ever consider it seriously, though I have fantasized about a co-worker to two 🙂

    Office gossip alone should have alerted the bosses to the serial abusers.

    • coram nobis

      And in the workplace, it’s not just repeated and persistent sexual comments, advances or demands that reveals sexual harassment, but also the perpetrator is someone who has a pattern of such misbehavior with more than one person. It’s not just one drunken grope at the 1983 Christmas office party but incidents time and time again, and these days a smart employer will can that person if it wants to avoid liability, soon as the pattern emerges.

      Apparently it’s only now that the top offenders, the most hi-vis, powerful ones, are vulnerable as well.

    • Stuart ArtFart

      A few years ago, a JMG (semi)regular posted a quote that blew me away with it’s simple eloquence and I’ve used it many times since:

      Don’t shop for meat where you make your bread.

      On the rare occasion that I encounter a fine-looking gentleman in my workplace who I’d love to bring to orgasm, had we met under different circumstances, those nine words pop into my head.

  • ECarpenter

    I find his memory of the event believable, so I’ll wait and see if a pattern of abuse emerges (I seriously doubt it will with Mr. Keillor) before thinking of him as a sexual predator.

  • Bert_Bauer

    I have been a huge public radio fan for 30+ years but no matter how hard I tried, I could not get into PHC.