Nancy Pelosi Defends “Icon” John Conyers, Says He Deserves “Due Process” On Sex Allegations [VIDEO]

Axios reports:

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Rep. John Conyers — who has been accused of sexual harassment by multiple women — is an “icon in our country.” She added, “He has done a great deal to protect women … I believe he understands what’s at stake here, and he will do the right thing.” Pelosi made the comments on NBC’s Meet the Press with Chuck Todd.

Why it matters: Critics of Congress’s culture say the process for dealing with sexual harassment allegations discourages victims from coming forward and protects the accused. On Conyers, Pelosi said, “We are strengthened by due process. Just because someone is accused – and was it one accusation? Is it two?”

  • Moxie Miscellany

    I get the feeling that her version of “due process” is different from the standard.
    (I am all for scrutinising claims of wrongdoing, even in cases of sexual abuse/harassment, but you still also need to send the message that such things will not be tolerated & that, if guilty, the offender will be punished appropriately. Very, very few sexual abuse claims are false, after all.)

  • gaycuckhubby

    Fuck fuck fuck… there goes our narrative

  • gaycuckhubby

    Truthfully… Senate Republicans were more forcefull on Moore than Dems are on Conyer.

    • Lakeview Bob

      That is an interesting point. The dems have been much more harsh on Frankin than Conyers. And Frankins charges seem much less serious.

    • clay

      But, the Senate Republicans also had more time (and their own fumbling) getting there.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Not really. The first day half of Sen Republicans called for him to step aside. Flake immediately asked voters to vote for the Democratic Challenger. No way in hell Pelosi would ever endorse a Republican

        • clay

          Flake isn’t equivalent to Pelosi.
          Now, if McConnell had come out that strongly from the gate . . .

          • gaycuckhubby

            He threatened to expell him almost immediately

  • matrem

    She needs to retire.

    • Leo

      And NOT be replaced by complete idiot Tim Ryan.

      • Gustav2

        I have tried to find a Democrat in Columbus who likes him.

        • Leo

          I saw his segment decrying identity politics (formerly known as civil rights) on Fox News and he could barely speak in complete sentences, nevermind his supposed policy expertise.

          • Gustav2

            He needs to stop using Republican talking points

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d7OgN_CsC8

          • Leo

            Thanks for posting that.

            FUCK that narrative though. I’m SO SICK of this bullshit and it’s still pushed by way too many cranky Bernie bro’s (that aren’t actually Russian bots). NO.

            Latino’s didn’t cause automation. Transgender people didn’t cause wage stagnation. Stopping systematic racism and stopping efforts to break up unions do not have to mutually exclusive for a DNC platform.

            This still enrages me.

          • MarkBuster

            your rage (sharred by many here) assures us of a Republican 2020 election. I don’t think the dnc can win a presidency with just Ny and Ca. I don’t think progressives can win without Ny and Ca. that leaves a divideded center-left party and a firm Right wing party.

          • Leo

            No where in my statement is that implied. The Obama coalition and the Rust Belt White Working Class that flipped to Trump being an either-or proposition for voter gains is what Tim Ryan is arguing for and what I’m arguing against.

          • Gustav2

            Reagan Democrats have been voting for Republican presidents since the 1980’s. There was not a huge ‘flip,’ there were D’s who stayed home. We saw an enthusiasm gap going door to door days before the election.

            And those former D union members in Tim Ryan’s district who became R’s for the primary had always voted for a Republican president.

          • Gustav2

            The missing D votes mattered. Clinton was not well liked throughout the Midwest for many reasons.

          • Lawerence Collins

            Bernie bro’s. A term created by the Hillary campaign. Just like Obama boys in 2008. Just like this picture her camp put out of, then challenger
            Barack Obama. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8efaf88686786f79c2197a7b1fb54a833a8988157533d21924b6692544d120ea.png

            I was uneducated about her then. I’m not anymore.

          • Leo

            Well aware of the term creation and the photo. I was never a huge fan of Bernie or Hillary for many reasons. Under the impression the term took on a life of its own away from its origins but I guess thats subjective.

            Many Bernie voters see right through the terminology of identity politics created by Karl Rove acolytes and those voters are not who I’m referring to although I should’ve clarified.

          • Steverino

            Whenever I hear people bitch about “identity politics,” the first examples of such that pop into my mind are “I’m a conservative Republican.” And “I’m a Christian conservative.”

      • Lawerence Collins

        If I’m not mistaken. Pelosi has a real, progressive challenger in the primaries.
        As do many of the older, establishment Democrats.

        • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

          She does. Hope he wins.

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  • bkmn

    Way past time for her to step down and let fresh blood assume a leadership role.

  • iLoveEggplant

    Unless there is something that you have in your possession Nancy that clears him of these allegations; you should paint him with the same brush that ALL of the other accused have been painted with!

    • another_steve

      Anything short of that is disaster for the Democrats. Pelosi here is helping to defuse the Trump/Moore sexual harassment scandals.

      An allegation from an alleged victim is an allegation, period. All allegations need to be handled/dealt with consistently and in a fair and objective manner.

      I’m beginning to believe as others do here: time for Pelosi to go.

      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        There is now an emerging paper trail for the Conyers case, and it’s indefensible. He needs to go. And so does she.

  • Friday

    I haven’t caught up on this one, though, it’s time to look carefully as the Right clearly wants to retaliate and divert while, of course, expecting a double-standard where Dems get hauled over coals for things that may not pan out, while Republicans stay in power over things that are blatant.

  • Gustav2

    Clarence Thomas must resign.

  • iLoveEggplant

    Now the Republicans get to play the game of “whatabouthim” and it distracts from the GREATER issue.

    Also a simple NO comment would have been sufficient and desired in this case. Why can’t politicans just shut up!!

    • gaycuckhubby

      It’s not a game if it’s true. Shame on you, Pelosi.
      Btw. Which Dem has asked for him to be removed?

      • iLoveEggplant

        The Republicans are the one controlling this narrative in the media (via Trump) and you are correct it is not a game. Democrats need to consistently side with the accusers and let a higher law decide but many people are their own judge and jury therefore no matter what is said or proven they will not be swayed. However, Nancy should have vocally sided with the accusers as it is prudent or at least remained silent with a deftly stated “no comment

        • gaycuckhubby

          Yep

        • BobSF_94117

          You want to her vocally stand with the accusers when neither you nor she even know who they are or what they accuse?

          • another_steve

            Valid question imo, Bob. We need to apply reason and intellect to all allegations of sexual abuse.

            A little mind exercise:

            A woman wearing a “MAGA” cap and a “I Love Rush Limbaugh” tee shirt holds a press conference with her lawyer to give graphic details of the sexual abuse she experienced years ago from Barack Obama when she was an employee in a department store. Sitting next to her are two former co-workers of hers from those days. They corroborate her story.

            Fellow progressives: Just because it’s a woman and just because it’s an allegation of sexual harassment by a man in power, we believe her on face value?

    • DaddyRay

      They will play it anyways – it is always about misdirecting peoples attention. I heard on Face the Nation this morning that Obama shouldn’t go down and campaign for Doug Jones because it may scare away the Republicans who would vote for him but have a hatred towards Obama and it would turn them off.
      Republicans will use any means necessary to stay in power, Democrats – not so much

      • gaycuckhubby

        I say not asking Conyer to resign is an immoral attempt to stay in power

        • DaddyRay

          And in a way I agree with Pelosi that it should be investigated and have due process. How many times did Obama let people go with the slightest of Republican criticism only to find out later that the tape was edited or the allegations were not true. We tend to convict people in the court of public opinion way too soon

          • gaycuckhubby

            Ok, so how about Moore? Why are we judging him in the court of public opinion?
            I think we should btw

          • DaddyRay

            To me it is more than just the sexual abuse allegations with Moore. He has been kicked off the courts multiple times for his antics and is pure hate. We can’t just depend on the allegations alone because the GOP machine will sew doubt and all it takes is one of the allegations to be proven false for the entire thing to fall apart. I understand the allegations are working in our favor but the simple truth is that Moore is unfit for office

          • BobSF_94117

            What is it you know about Conyers that makes you think he should resign? Details.

          • AJ Drew

            Not untrue, but if we’re back to Moore vs Jones… c’mon.

          • clay

            I don’t think that Pelosi believes it should be investigated and have due process. She’s now going to have to play defense to regain someone who should have been on her side. That’s the problem with cover-ups– they kill faith in justice for these women (and men), and faith in our political leaders.

          • SoCalGal20

            Conyers already settled a sexual harrassment claim using taxpayer money and THAT was covered up. That, imo, is a scandal in its own right. Conyers also has multiple accusers and claims he used campaign money to fly his mistresses around. This should be a BIG DEAL and instead Pelosi’s trying to brush it off as he’s an “icon” and he deserves due process. Yes, he does deserve due process but hoe about not covering up for him, Nancy.

            And we know there are several other House members who did the same damn thing, all covered up. Who were they? Who approved the settlements?

          • fkevin

            Like John Edwards.

    • Acronym Jim

      Exactly. She didn’t appear to know much about the situation so a simple “I am not familiar enough with this news yet so it would be irresponsible of me to weigh in on it at this point. But you can bet that I definitely will be looking into it.”

    • clay

      She can’t shut up BECAUSE of her position in the leadership– she’s supposed to be managing this shit-show, not helping create it.

  • Bluto

    Nancy really needs to go. She’s spineless, weak, useless & does more harm than good.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd1d0478b8d25d097db86b63a42dae7fb7bd09a170271d3ab94b723f06c4cbb1.gif

  • crewman

    Integrity matters. This is a morally poor decision and a bad strategic one as well.

  • AJ Drew

    FIne, Pelosi, same standard to Moore and DT, please.

    • AJ Drew

      pssst… more than two “accusations” and at least one of them is on video bragging about it.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Thank you for not helping.

  • drbrentzenobia

    Way to blow the high ground, Nancy.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I remember some people saying we need to keep on the experienced people but between letting go of the opportunity to go after Bush & Cheney and now this, I am less than impressed with her.

    • SoCalGal20

      I was one of those people and I’m done. She needs to go.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I think the problem with Pelosi is that she’s too used to the old ways of doing things which will only cause Dems to lose/stagnate.

  • Lazycrockett

    AM Joy is must watch at the moment.

  • Boreal

    I’m ok with him being investigated and Franken too, as soon as tRump is. And if tRump doesn’t have to step down then why are only dems held to a standard?

    • AJ Drew

      GOPs *are* stepping down in record numbers, hmm. But, like you, I await DT getting the same scrutiny.

      • BobSF_94117

        GOPers are stepping down to cash in on lobbying and to allow a new cadre of TeaParty types to take their places.

  • Gustav2
    • JCF

      That’s the one thing we KNOW ain’t happening! You better PRAY Jones wins, or else YOU, Senator Scott will have to PUT UP or SHUT UP. [And if you shut up, and seat Moore, YOU will be (along w/ every other Rethug), the face of the Rape-Enabling Rethuglican Party.

  • shellback

    Icon? Says who?

  • iLoveEggplant
    • Gustav2

      You would have thought she would have rehearsed a better answer.

      • billbear1961

        YES

      • gothambear

        exactly – WTF?

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      I would recommend the “shut the fuck up” it’s bitter, but also quite sweet

  • IamSmartypants

    And once more the tone-deaf Democratic leadership lay the groundwork to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • andrew

    It seems to be a flaw that most of us humans have that causes us to down play the sins of our friends and emphasize the sins of our opponents.

    • Friday

      When the pattern is Republican hypocrisy and consistent anti-women policies and rhetoric, plus accusing others of what they’re doing themselves, so they can point away from their own misdeeds, oven over manufactured smears, it does make sense to be skeptical. Also the simple fact that it seems there was already some kind of settlement via the ethics committee, it probably means that’s where the facts of that case are.

      (And it’s not like our side *won’t* rake a Democrat over the coals for stuff like this, so I can wait a while on this.)

    • Mike

      It is a flaw of the right to use false equivalencies to minimize their own bad acts by trying to make them seem canceled out by (falsely) equivalent misdeeds on the left. Judge each accusation on a case by case basis. For example, Roy Moore staking out teenagers at the mall is not anywhere near equivalent to Al Franken making a dumb joke and miming groping a woman.

      Do not divide the blame and outrage in half and assign it equally to Republicans and Democrats for the sake of “fair and balanced.” That includes jumping on Nancy Pelosi for not rushing to help erase John Conyers from the face of the earth.

    • JCF

      Was It Ever Thus.

      But three things:

      1) A child is a child: qualitatively different
      2) Rape is rape: if force is used, threatened, or actions are accompanied by a “don’t talk or else” (e.g., “no one will believe you”)
      3) on-the-job private is different than random stranger in public (I’m thinking of Franken’s accusers: “we were taking a picture, and he grabbed my butt”. Inappropriate and gross, but not on-the-job and cornered—much less forced or with an “or else”)

      There is a scale of serious allegations (all compounded my multiple charges, of course). I think a thorough examination of anyone charged can sort these out. 1) or 2): DONE (possibly w/ criminal charges). 3) a. Probably done—unless accuser and accused come to a PUBLIC settlement. 3)b. Depends. How many charges? How likely possibility of genuine miscommunication? How willing for accused to show actual “amendment of life”?

      Conyers is likely done—but, stepped down from his chair, I’m willing to wait and see what the investigation uncovers. This could be instructive for Congress, regardless of Conyers himself. Franken is possibly done: again, wait for investigation (Argh, being aware of partisanship thereon. If it splits in majority/minority report…Argh.)

  • billbear1961

    What a shambles.

  • BobSF_94117

    I can’t believe the number of people on here who seem to think that the job of the highest ranking Dem member of the House is to stand by with a pail of tar and a bag of feathers.

    • gaycuckhubby

      But we expect Republican to?

      • BobSF_94117

        Uh… what Republican is being forced to resign in a situation like that of Rep. Conyers?

        • gaycuckhubby

          I’m saying we expect Republicans to tar and Feathee their own

          • BobSF_94117

            Uh, no, actually. I’d be fine if they were simply serious about investigations.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • BobSF_94117

      That’s bullshit. He is an icon of the civil rights movement.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Can be both

        • BobSF_94117

          Some people ’round here don’t seem to think it’s possible and certainly don’t want to wait for an investigation.

      • billbear1961

        This whole thing is an ugly, convoluted MESS.

  • Natty Enquirer

    No one survives in politics without compromise. Pelosi is a poster child for that principle.

  • mark99k

    I swear to god, she gets more useless every day.

  • gaycuckhubby
  • JWC

    I am not pro sexual abuse in the least but you shake that tree hard enough and you are going to be terribly surprised by what just may fall out

  • safari

    John needs to step down or be removed. The allegations against him are heinous.

  • Tomcat

    All abusers should go or none should go. It would be nice if men had the decency to disqualify themselves out of honor to their constituents, but that will never happen because the vote is more important than honor these days.

  • Leo

    Breaking: The Hill: Conyers has just step down.

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Taylor Bixler

    Another profile in courage…*sigh*

  • pablo

    Every one deserves due process. That there are many here who apparently feel that accusation = guilt, is a bit scary.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    smh

    Seriously Nancy, this is one time when you should just STFU and let nature takes its course. Conyers is denying the allegations, stepping down and agreeing to the investigation. That said, if your going to shit on Moore for multiple women coming forward, then have the decency to be consistent.

    Sigh….what a message to send to women…again…smh

  • WarrenHart

    I think Nancy Pelosi was just trying to be diplomatic, praising and subtly encouraging John Conyers to step down at the same time. It was taken all wrong. Each case is different and becasue of the NDA’s they signed (allegedly) non of John Conyers accusers have publicly come forward and John Conyers denies it. John Conyers is an elected official and cannot be made to leave his position without due process, so Nancy Pelosi was helping him save face and giving him an out which he took. It isn’t like endorsing a child molester just to get another vote to help give filthy rich people tax cuts so they can take healthcare away from millions of poor people. Just the way I see it.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Hey, Nancy, due process is off the table!

  • Snarky

    I watched the interview. She came across as a typical pol, defending the status quo and protecting her own side. And she couldn’t even defend the process, she just dodged questions. I like her and a lot of what she’s done, but it was very disappointing. There are some times when Pelosi pays more attention to the people on Capitol Hill than the people in her district, or the rest of the country. This was one of those times.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Too late to post the C word?

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    So nobody thinks the allegations against Franken & Conyers are awfully convenient to have happen now that Trump & GOP need a distraction from #TrumpRussia and Roy Moore?

    I believe in believing the victim…..but this seems awfully fortuitous for the GOP. So put me on Team Nancy Pelosi; investigate first, condemn if proof is found.

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