John Conyers Steps Down From House Leadership Post

NBC News reports:

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., stepped down as the ranking Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee on Sunday, following multiple sexual harassment accusations. The 27-term congressman said he denied the allegations, but was stepping down because of the ongoing House Ethics Committee investigation.

“I deny these allegations, many of which were raised by documents reportedly paid for by a partisan alt-right blogger. I very much look forward to vindicating myself and my family before the House Committee on Ethics,” Conyers said in a statement.

  • Do Something Nice

    If he is innocent, I hope ‘those documents’ prove it. If he is guilty, he should be tossed out of office.

  • Leo

    It doesn’t MATTER who paid for the documents. Ugh. Who’s writing his statements? Stepping down? So he’s still a rep. Who honestly believes he’s going to be cleared of most of the charges. I don’t care if the Congressional Black Caucus gets pissed at Nancy, he needs to GO. She does too. Clean house for 2018. ENOUGH.

    • Boreal

      All dems are required to step down when accused without an inquiry but trump and others are not held to the same standard.

      • Refugay

        All that’s needed is an “I didn’t do it” to prove innocence.

        • Boreal

          Only if you are a republican.

      • Leo

        well aware. equivalence politicking’s not helping long-term.

        the stakes are raised for that calculus with Franken but we’re not discussing that right now, unless you want to.

        • Boreal

          I’m not calling for any dems to step down until they’ve been afforded an inquiry. I don’t plan on playing the republican game plan, which is what is happening right now. If trump doesn’t have to step down, then neither does Conyers.

          • Joe in PA

            ^^^this^^^

          • Boreal

            So fucking tired of this we need to clean house shit. We do but not at the expense of having another 4 years of trump or a repig majority.
            When they go low and we go high, we get kicked in the balls.

          • Joe in PA

            Oh how fucking naive I was…believing that shit.

            You may have seen this comment before…my state GOP rep is running for the US congress…on that campaign site he is posting shit from Breitbart…trumpeting shit trump does. It is all screen captured for future use and we get a Dem challenger. I’ve commented on his shit (nicely) and got blocked on Twitter and he turned off commenting on his FB. Fucking coward.

          • JT

            It’s long past the time to get back to brawling. These shit pigs have been doing it for years while Dems just walk away.

          • Boreal

            Yup, everyone is tripping over themselves to have Dems resign based upon accusations but we’re not supposed to hold repigs to that standard. I for one am tired of us losing by being nice. We get steamrolled every fucking time.

          • PickyPecker

            Here, here.

          • gaycuckhubby

            You really want Dems to ignore sexual harassement/abuse just because you feel that Republicans do?

          • JT

            Yeah, because that’s what I said. Grow up.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Ok

          • Boreal

            That’s why I blocked him.

          • JT

            Reasoning 101 is needed.

          • JT

            “Clean house” means purity testing. That worked so well last election.

          • Refugay

            They are all entitled to due process.

          • Boreal

            Exactly and the playing field needs to be level. Republicans don’t respect any rule of law yet hold democrats to the standards they reject. If we fall for this, we will continue to lose.

          • Joe in PA

            You should have lead with this. 😉

            [ducking again]

          • BobSF_94117

            Conyers is accused of putting his hand on a woman’s hand and on her knee while hitting on her. Trump is accused of rape.

            One of those things is, perhaps, poor judgment. One is a crime.

            I say “perhaps” because plenty of people who hit on coworkers get laid. Some go on to marry.

            Maybe we should just adopt full burqas for work attire, men and women. And five-foot exclusion zones. Sure, riding elevators one at a time, just to be safe, will be time-consuming, but we can’t be toooo careful.

          • Do Something Nice

            Also, Trump is on audio tape bragging about what he does.

          • SoCalGal20

            You say that but Dem voters are angry, particularly women. You don’t think there will be hell to pay next year if Dems are wishy washy on sexual assault and harrassment allegations? I do think investigations and due process need to happen but I also think if the evidence is already out there (hello, John Conyers and your $27,000 sexual harrassment settlement) then it needs to be addressed.

            All we do is come out looking just as corrupt and cedeing any moral high ground when you say something like Trump should have to step down first.

          • Boreal

            They will be more angry when repigs stay in control because dems have to be held accountable but repigs do not. I will predict right now that if we allow the republicans to control this narrative, WE WILL LOSE.

          • Reality.Bites

            And you think we’ll win if we instead show ourselves to be no better than Donald Trump and Roy Moore?

          • JT

            So, there’s no middle ground, then?

          • Boreal

            Don’t you live in Canada?

          • SoCalGal20

            So you’re saying that until Republicans are held accountable Dem sexual harrassers and assaulters shouldn’t have to be held accountable.

            Women are running this resistance. We’ll see…

          • Boreal

            Is that what I said? Please show me which quote of mine said no one should be investigated.
            Edit: I belong to a resistance group with lots of women involved and so far none of them has told me they don’t want my help.

          • gaycuckhubby
          • Do Something Nice

            It goes beyond winning. There is a right and wrong thing to do here. I can’t believe that some are saying we don’t have to be better than Republicans.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Believe it. Dems play by the rules and end up getting shellacked. Not this time. While we do need to investigate and hold our people accountable, we need to be in the news everyday with ONE VOICE. For instance: we can take a page out of Newt’s playbook. Referring to Mitch McConnell, all Dems should say, “Teen child abuse apologist Mitch McConnell stated today….” When referring to the president, all Dems should say… “Accused sexual molester President Trump pardoned the turkeys today.” Fox needs to be the “sexual harassment network.” We need to shamelessly control the narrative or Republicans will! It’s time to do what THEY have NO problem doing.

          • JT

            If Dem women voters exact any “hell to pay” from Dems after the Repig/Drumpf shit, then they are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

          • Boreal

            Thank you. I am part of a local indivisible resistance group and most of my fellow resisters are women. We’ve talked about this and not one have accused me of supporting sexual assault by demanding that we hold republicans to the same standard.

          • JT

            You’re welcome. One of the most striking things about this entire discussion is not only the rush to judgment aspect but that no one has even raised the question of a full explanation or an apology, if merited. There’s only been a lot of jumping to conclusions and extreme ones at that.

          • Boreal

            This idea that there will be hell to pay if our side doesn’t jump off a cliff would be amusing if there weren’t so much at stake.

          • cleos_mom

            At least one of the “gals” (WTF?) here agrees.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I apologize. I should have used a term other than “gal”

      • LesbianTippingHabits


        Generally speaking, Republicans – other than Trump – in similar circumstances resign promptly. Thank you.

        • Refugay

          It seems Moore like they’re stepping up, not down.

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            Moore and Trump are exceptions that prove the rule.

            Please just go to bing.com and search on:

            Republican resigns scandal

            and they’ll come right up. Two to four per year.

            The scandal hits the media, he resigns, and it all goes away.

            Thank you.

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            Roy Moore and Donald Trump are exceptions to Republicans in general.

            By the way, I’ve donated to Doug Jones, a Democrat who is running against Roy Moore in Alabama.

            https://dougjonesforsenate.com

            Have you? The election is December 12.

            Thank you.

        • BobSF_94117

          Who?

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            Thank you for your question. I provided an answer – just from 2017 – in response to a similar question from stevenj.

        • JT

          “Generally speaking” in the 1970s?

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            No, now. I went to bing dot com and searched on:

            Republican resigns scandal

            and there are usually two to four per year.

          • JT

            Very familiar with Repig politics, are you?

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            No, just a regular longtime reader of JMG – a very good source of such info, not only on Republicans, but also on preachers, youth ministers, etc.

        • stevenj

          Which republicans are you talking about?

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            Just in 2017:

            Ohio State Representative Wes Goodman (R).

            Minnesota State Representative Tony Cornish (R), along with Minnesota State Senator Dan Schoen (Democratic Farmer Labor).

            Congressman Tim Murphy (R-PA), early October 2017.

            Alabama Governor Robert Bentley (R), early in 2017.

            I went to bing.com and searched on:

            Republican resigns scandal.

            It’s usually two to four per year.

            Again, the scandal emerges, he (it’s always a he) resigns, and goes away.

          • BobSF_94117

            I don’t suppose you care to point out HOW those cases are like Conyers or HOW Conyers is like them.

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            Thank you, but I’ve never claimed that that they are like Conyers or that Conyers is like them.

            I just responded to another commenter who claimed that Democrats resign at the first sign of scandal. Actually, Republicans do so; upon request, I provided several examples from 2017.

            Let’s be honest: The House did not pay out $27,000 in public funds for nothing. Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) is clearly losing his effectiveness and the current Congress should be his last.

            Thank you again.

          • BobSF_94117

            You claimed that “Republicans – other than Trump – in similar circumstances resign promptly”. One can only assume that you really meant “similar circumstances” when you said it. The circumstances in the cases you mentioned are, however, very different.

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            Thank you for the clarification. The “similar circumstances” are nothing more than unfavorable headlines and bad press and a basis for scandal, which becomes a distraction in itself. That is all.

      • SoCalGal20

        Just because Trump and the corrupt GOP aren’t held to the same standard does not mean that Dems should just follow suit. Also, Conyers is stepping down from his Judiciary duties because of thr investigation. He hasn’t resigned (yet). Btw based on his performance at the most recent Sessions hearing he should step down from Judiciary anyway. He was a mess.

        • Boreal

          “Just because Trump and the corrupt GOP aren’t held to the same standard does not mean that Dems should just follow suit.”

          Yes it does. I am all for inquiry but I’ve seen this fucking movie before. Bill Clinton was investigated and impeached by people doing the exact same thing. None of them were held accountable.

          If you want trump to be a 2 term president, then follow the republican narrative that says dems should just resign without an inquiry but repigs don’t have to.

          • SoCalGal20

            Yeah, and you have a lot of pissed off Dem women. Telling them to ignore it and act like fucking Republicans isn’t going to get you anywhere.

            And as I said in one of my other comments I didn’t say those accused should just resign. John Conyers isn’t resigning (yet). He resigned from the JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

          • Boreal

            No one said to ignore it. I am not planning on carrying water for the republican game plan 2018. We already know how this works. Anthony Weiner is in jail, Roy Moore about to become a Senator.

          • JT

            Absolutely. When will political realism ever return to these discussions?

        • gaycuckhubby

          👏👏👏

          Thank you for bringing a female perspective to JMG, btw.
          You and all the other gals. Thank you

          • Reality.Bites

            And also, I believe, a younger perspective and most of us here.

            It’s great to be around people with a similar history and shared experiences – but not to be unaware of others.

          • JCF

            This female(-bodied person) finds myself upvoting BOTH the “Hang Harrasser Conyers High!” posts *AND* the “Not Until Drumpf Goes First!” posts: that’s how torn I feel.

    • DreadPikathulhu

      He’s been in office for as long as I’ve been alive and I’m pushing 50. The dems need to get some young, fresh faces out there who have experience in the real world of 2017.

  • DreadPikathulhu

    “Whataboutism” is going to destroy any chances of the Dems retaking the majority next year. The GOP has an army out there digging up dirt on each and every Democrat with the intention of driving down enthusiasm for the midterms.

    • Lazycrockett

      The GOP only has to call Putin to get the dirt.

    • Do Something Nice

      And the Democrats also are out their digging dirt. I think that worst case it is a wash, but more likely, assuming the Democrats do the right thing, they will come out on top with this issue. The right thing = not defending or making excuses for Democrats who are guilty of this behavior.

      • Lazycrockett

        and middle class white women will still vote for the Republicans.

        • Do Something Nice

          Not if they are so disgusted they stay home, which is what may happen.

          • Lazycrockett

            “Dems want to murder unborn babies”, Boom back to the polls they go.

      • Joe in PA

        As much as I’d like to believe that…I’m beginning to doubt that theory DSN…I’ve been a big fan of the “we go high” sentiment…but where the fuck has it gotten us? When Franken “did the right thing”, the spokesperson for the president said “Look, the cases are very different, the president had denied the allegations, Franken has admitted it.”

        I’d say, no investigations until Trump is invested (ala Ken Starr and the hundreds of millions).

        • Do Something Nice

          I agree about Trump. He got a big pass and maybe it is because of his longstanding reputation, some were not surprised. But look at Congress – several members have stepped down because of sexual issues and, fingers crossed, it may sink Moore.

        • Tread

          I’m absolutely exhausted of “going high.” We need to start gutting these assholes.

          • Boreal

            Ramen. Fuck being nice.

        • cleos_mom

          I’ve been a big fan of the “we go high” sentiment…but where the fuck has it gotten us?

          Under some circumstances, that could be a warning about “turning the other cheek.” Which is, all too often, just a good way to get a sore butt.

          • Joe in PA

            Nicely put. 🙂

        • JCF

          Well, Franken has already agreed to it, so there goes that.

          I confess to having HIGHLY ambivalent feelings. On some level: I think “Going High” is its own reward. But you bet, to have ANYONE investigated *before* Drumpf, is beyond excruciating…

        • marshlc

          The only reason we’re better than them is that we are better than them. If we’re not better, then it’s just rah rah my team!

      • DreadPikathulhu

        For whatever reason the Dems don’t seem to have the same level of opposition research. Maybe it’s because the GOP seems to attract certain kinds of people, both on the ticket and behind the scenes?

        • Robert K Wright

          It isn’t that they don’t have the same level of opposition research, it’s that they don’t use it as well. Republicans will use ANYTHING even if it contradicts what they said two minutes ago. Democrats try to stay consistant, that’s what I’ve noticed anyway.

          • Do Something Nice

            Also, it helps that the Republicans have a dedicated news outlet – Fox.

        • Gerry Fisher

          You did hear about Brazile’s book that talked about the Clinton campaign giving the DNC money early because of financial mismanagement, right? They don’t have a pot to piss in, never mind money for “opposition research.”

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, and the media will gladly help them along.

  • another_steve

    The payoff to the woman in question from the House payoff slushfund doesn’t look good, John.

    Not good at all.

  • Lazycrockett

    Has any other media sites verified these allegations besides buzzfeed?

  • Joe in PA

    I don’t care, I still hate Chuck Todd.

    • Boreal

      You spelled toad wrong.

      • liondon#iamnotatraitor

        …And Upchuck

    • another_steve

      May I remind you and all JMG readers of that time when in the midst of Alison Lundergan Grime’s campaign to become senator from Kentucky, Chuck Todd stated on air that she “disqualified herself” by refusing to say whether she voted to elect President Obama.

      Her Republican challenger, Mitch McConnell, quickly seized upon Todd’s comment. The comment is credited by some as having tilted what was then a close race in McConnell’s favor.

      • Tread

        That’s his job, to always favor men and Republicans. He’s a fucking slimeball.

      • Joe in PA

        How quickly we forget. How come Chuckie never asked Pat Toomey (PA Sen R) if he would vote for Trump. Toomey did everything but hide under the sink to avoid being tied to Trump. POS.

    • Ninja0980

      Same here.
      A total disgrace to Russert’s memory.

      • gothambear

        I agree but the only good news is Chuck Todd’s star is falling and he seems kind of irrelevant these days. he almost never is at the forefront of any breaking story…

        • Grumpy Old Man

          Hell, this is the first time I have even heard his name is ages! “The dustbin of history”

  • bkmn

    As the GOP fires up the fauxtrage machine they conveniently ignore the pussy-grabber-in-chief’s deeds.

    • another_steve

      A better question imo is why the media are more or less ignoring Pussygate at this time. Wouldn’t you think Pussygate would be front and center now – given the Sexual Predator-in-Chief’s “okay” to Roy Moore?

      Some cable news commentators (MSNBC’s Joy Reid comes to mind) bring it up from time to time, but it’s been mostly silence from the others.

      • OdieDenCO

        face the nation played the tape this morning.

        • another_steve

          Glad to hear that.

          Women have a tremendous amount to lose from continued Republican control of government. Trump is in the process of appointing theofascists to the federal bench. You can be sure they’ll vote to strip women of their reproductive liberty, access to contraceptives, etc.

          Women’s groups must do whatever it takes to disempower Trump and his nightmare party.

      • netxtown

        Pussygate just won’t generate the clicks of new allegations. Pussygate is ‘old news’….the past is the past…the past is dead….and forgotten in the little rolly-polly minds of tv land viewers.

        It’s like old sex: it was good for maybe a couple weeks…then you wanted something new.

        • another_steve

          Not sure of that, netxtown. Cable TV news is in the midst of “let’s help our commercial sponsors sell Cialis, reverse mortgages and arthritis medications by focusing on sexual harassment” frenzy. Sex sells. Keeps ’em watching through the next round of ads.

          Progressives need to make Pussygate front and center. The Democrats should organize forums at which all of Trump’s victims can once again step forward and tell their stories. Find more victims of Trump’s. Get them to tell their stories too.

          The DNC will need to pay for round-the-clock security for all women who step forward.

          Lots and lots of Trump’s deplorables are thugs and molesters themselves.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup and if they want to relieve the 90’s, why is only Bill Clinton being brought up and not Clarence Thomas?

        • another_steve

          Clarence Thomas is the major reason I will never love Joe Biden. Joe Biden was the head of the Senate committee that ultimately confirmed that molester and monster. He gave Thomas a pass, just like Trump today is giving Roy Moore a pass.

          As far as I’m concerned, Biden’s reputation was forever tarnished by the way he gave deference to Clarence Thomas.

          Shame on him.

          • Ninja0980

            Same here.
            Not to mention I don’t view what he does with women in many photos to be cute.
            I find it to be creepy as fuck.

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      • bkmn

        That would not be the case if the pussy grabber was a Dem.

      • JackFknTwist

        Yes, why is that?
        Do you think it is because they presume that that horse is dead and they have stopped flogging ?
        Or do they need fresh meat…..and that pussygate outrage is yesterday’s news. is it that simple?

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) did the right thing, for the time being.

    The U.S. House of Representatives did not spend $27,000 of taxpayers’ money for no reason at all.

    Thank you.

  • boris de koningh

    The payoff to the woman in question from the House payoff slushfund doesn’t look good, John.Not good at all.

  • ChrisMorley

    OT
    Urgent Royal Redhead Gossip

    Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engagement rumours at fever pitch
    – TV crews set up outside Kensington Palace last week in anticipation of an announcement that never came, but royal-watchers are not giving up yet

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/26/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-engagement-rumours-at-fever-pitch

    • Treant

      No! He needs to find a nice prince and settle down!

    • William

      Get rid of that tramp. I had dibs on Harry.

    • another_steve

      You Brits have the best Royal Gingers ever.

      All we have here in the states in the “Nice to Look at” department is a 36-year-old wannabe-twink who’ll soon be in prison.

      • JCF

        …unless you get to him first! 😉

  • JWC

    Right or wrong, True or False An allegation can be extremely damaging . If proven thaen rightly so. If disproven or unproven the stain remains indeliable

  • BobSF_94117

    Geez, gosh. Pelosi calls for a fair and prompt inquiry and says she’s sure Conyers will do the right thing and on the very same day, in a remarkable collision of coincidence and whimsy, he steps down from one of the most powerful positions in the legislative branch while he is investigated.

    Just like those GOPers…

  • Nic Peterson

    If only he could ask white jesus for forgiveness.

    • JWC

      Just ask Tony Perkins…Oh wait Conyer is DNC and Black …Oh what was i thinking

  • Jeffg166

    He’s done the right thing. Will any highly moral, for everyone else, republican do the same thing?

    • JT

      Of course not.

    • stevenj

      Are you kidding? Where is the investigation into trump?

  • William

    Sorry, 54 years in Congress is wrong.

    • AmeriCanadian

      His wife, Monica, “served” on the Detroit city council. Lots of corruption. She actually served prison time. I was surprised because I figured her husband could pull strings. She was born the same year he began “serving” in congress.

      • I lived in Detroit during the Kilpatrick/Conyers disaster…crooks and buffoons!

  • Halou

    27 terms?
    This is part of the problem with politics. People find a ‘safe seat’ that will vote red or blue no matter what, and they’re set for life. No worthwhile skills or qualifications needed. Heck, even pedophiles can get in if the seat is safe enough. Even if John Conyers has done a good job during those 27 terms that is beside the point.

    • Tomcat

      How is doing a good job for 27 terms beside the point?

      • Halou

        He’s not the only one in Congress doing this.

        • Tomcat

          Assaulting women or doing a good job?

          • Halou

            Being in the same office since the 60s.

          • Tomcat

            That is what Democracy looks like some times.
            Voters have to make the decision to keep or replace someone. Sure Congress passed laws stopping term limits for themselves, but these same people got reelected.

      • cleos_mom

        Might be that American fetish for novelty-no-matter-what.

    • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

      They used to prop Strom Thurmond up in his senate seat and wipe the drool from his chin. I asked a South Carolina relative why they kept voting for someone who was not even all there, and she said it was out of respect for his years of service.

      • Tomcat

        Same with Ted Kennedy.

        • Friday

          Actually, I recall Kennedy getting more impressive as he went on.

        • Gerry Fisher

          Other than a minor local scuffle over opposing wind mills near Cape Cod, Kennedy was a solid performer in his latter years.

      • JWC

        as people will also keep alive ailing pets who are sufferring Where does this flow from compassion to selfish to cruel. There is a time and place and a place and time for everything

      • marshlc

        “out of respect for his years of service”

        This, to me, is another example of people not really understanding what their vote is FOR. Your vote is your way of hiring someone to do a job. Not because you want to show them respect, not because they came to your town to campaign, not because they can porkbarrel, but because you think they are most likely of the available options to do the job well and in a manner you approve of.

        • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

          That is precisely what I said to her, but it made no difference. I have given up trying to make political sense with my SC relatives.

  • MikeBx2

    Yes, he “appeared” to back Roy Moore, just as I appeared to have eaten an entire pecan pie in the last couple of days.
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/934857547491762177

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Appearing to back Moore??? Oh I’m sorry, did this confuse them….

      https://youtu.be/EJiiVzTmooU

      • JWC

        that right Donny you denied Pussygate as well . so the score still show shit = shit

    • another_steve

      Trump’s statement the other day amounted to this:

      “Okay, so maybe Roy grabbed a little pussy back in the day [nod nod wink wink to the deplorables]. It was a long time ago. A very long time ago. I was innocent back then and Roy Moore may be innocent [nod nod wink wink].”

      • JCF

        But don’t forget: “women are very, very special…they have those pussies what I like to grab!”

        • another_steve

          Lol. 😉

          Who among the thinking and the non-deplorable didn’t laugh when, the other day, Trump said that women are “special.” 😉

    • JT

      He appears to be not golfing at the moment too.

    • Bob Conti

      We once made a pecan pie using blue agave rather than the Karo syrup. It was super delish!

      • Ray Taylor

        That does sound good. Karo syrup is exactly why I don’t care for pecan pie.

  • gaycuckhubby

    OT… kinda
    How does blocking work on disqus?
    If u block someone can u not read their comments?

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Correct. You can, however unblock to peek at what they’re saying then block them again. There are a couple I do that to just to piss them off when I’m bored.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Gotcha… was curious how people who say theyve blocked me are able to read my comments 🙂

        • Treant

          They could also be doing something a bit different; I installed Killfile ages ago, before Disqus had blocking. It’s a tier below–if I enacted it on your account, I see you as blocked, but can temporarily or permanently unblock you with a click, just for that comment or permanently. I’d also see any answers you typed directly to me in my Disqus notifications.

          I use it on a few people I don’t want to be bothered with generally, but who don’t piss me off enough to permanently block them.

          • Or they’re just lying about the block. Quite a few people will do that.

            But yeah, I use both Killfile to “hush” people I don’t want to hear from for a while and Disqus’s “block” function when I’ve decided I don’t ever want to hear from them again.

          • JCF

            Same here. I call Killfile the “Time-Out”. There are some JMG regulars that I’ve Killfiled (“hush”) and unKillFiled DOZENS of times. I can think of at least 3 by name…

    • -M-

      Not while you’re logged in.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Oooops, forgot to mention that as well.

    • Bomer

      If you are blocking someone in Disqus you can unblock them by going to your Disqus account>settings>click Blocking on the small menu on the left and then you can unblock people.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Regrettable, but it is the proper thing to do. Unlike the repugnicants, those Democrats who are being accused are either stepping down or fully cooperating with investigations…that loud sound you’re hearing is the deafening sound of integrity being heard over the cacophony of repugnant denials, obfuscations and vulgarity laden counter accusations.

    On another, completely O/T subject…and yes, this is REAL! I just don’t know what the Fuck…..

    https://youtu.be/i9qv8RSreIM

    …and yup, as you’d expect, it’s made in China.

    • BearEyes

      I was half expecting to see the Franklin Mint at the end of the commercial.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        OMNEG! They’re probably working on a Trump Commemorative Coin or plate….Sweet Fake Jeebus!!!

        • Treant

          “But right now, this limited edition Trump gold coin, smeared with 24 micrograms of Trump’s own feces, is only $29.99. Limit five per customer, please, as we wish to have enough of these coins for every collector!”

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            That actually made me shudder.

          • Reality.Bites

            OT: I’ve always hated that feces has no singular when the other terms for the same thing use a collective term, like manure, dung, guano, shit, crap, etc.

            Like how many feces are two shits? 😉

        • billbear1961
          • JT

            Too flattering.

          • coram nobis

            That’s either Nero or Vitellius. Not a bad metaphor, though.

        • Reality.Bites

          for him it will be a Trump Confederate Coin. Worthless.

    • JWC

      Quick put the lid on the idiots are getting loose . The once most powerful nation in the world once lead by the most powerful man in the world is now reduced to hawking overpriced Teddy bears “Murica is really really fuckedThe most brilliant part of this is No one apparently sees how obtuse this is

    • Treant

      Can these be used as voodoo dolls? Asking for a friend.

    • billbear1961

      😮

      An outrage!

  • Jeffrey

    OT but this is the super gay thing the family did after Thanksgiving dinner Clue: Golden Girls Edition https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3b51cacf1a054efee842041ac9d66c9adada44148611d048d52d5407bf647d3c.jpg

    • Treant

      It was Blanche in the boudoir with a heart-attack-inducing sex session.

      • Reality.Bites

        There is only one suitable murder location – the lanai. Millions of people know that word only because of the Golden Girls.

        • Treant

          “There’s a lizard who looks a might peaked out on the lanai…”

          (Episode with the veterinarian).

          • Ray Taylor

            It can’t be a snake after all.

        • Dan Patterson

          You are so right about that, RB!

    • gaycuckhubby

      Lol. I love it!

  • billbear1961

    Ah, he denies the allegations.

    That should settle the matter for the Defiler: he says it clears Moore, for example.

    • JCF

      Silly bear, IOKIYAR! (And ONLY R’s!)

  • andrew

    Whether or not the charges of workplace abuse or sexual abuse are true, Conyers should not seek reelection in 2018. He is 88 years old. He has been in Congress for over 50 years, during that same time 10 different men have been president. In a Democracy it is unhealthy for individuals to have so much power for so many years. Men like Conyers and Hatch, to name just two, should be examples of why we need term limits. We are a nation of 330,000,000 people. We don’t need 535 people to hold power for extended periods of time.

    • JT

      That’s part of a democratic system. He represents his district. They have continued to re-elect him.

      • andrew

        I think that term limits is a good idea because it limits the power of incumbency. Once these politicians get in office they have unfair advantages over would be challengers. Just as in this democracy we term limit president, governors and most mayors, we should term limit legislators. I also think that just as we have minimum ages for offices, we should have maximum ages. I realize that this is just an academic discussion because most incumbent legislators are not going to vote to limit their own power.

        • JCF

          “the power of incumbency”

          But it’s also (emphatically!) a skill-set. You limit one, you limit the other. I vote No (I also vote to make voting MUCH easier, which will do a lot to make replacing politicians easier)

    • Term limits at the Congressional level would require a Constitutional amendment. Good luck passing that in this current political climate.

      If we posit an Amendment, I’d rather it be an upper age limit for running for office. Tie it to average life expectancy.

      In any case, what JT says is apt: The people of Conyers district are perfectly free to vote for someone else and any Dem opponent has the right to challenge him. That’s how democratic republics work.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I know elected positions are different than SCOTUS seats, but I am very grateful for RBG continued service.

        • Reality.Bites

          In Canada judges and senators (not elected) must retire at 75, but no age limit on elected officials.

          It’s common for Supreme Court justices to retire and go on to other things – they don’t all stick it out till 75. Our current chief justice, Beverley McLachlin, will be retiring next month, 9 months early, so Trudeau needs to appoint both a new chief justice (from within the ranks), but a new Justice as well. In a new process, lawyers from across Canada may apply, and a 7-person commission (appointed by Justin and headed by former PM Kim Campbell) develops a short list of candidates from which the PM chooses.

          She was appointed by Conservative Brian Mulroney, and made chief justice by Liberal Jean Chrétien, a fine example of the essentially non-partisan nature of our judiciary prior to the Harper years. Six of the current members were appointed by Stephen Harper and they did not on the whole reach the same standards of those appointed by his Liberal and Conservative predecessors.

          The next justice will almost certainly be a woman – it’s not considered acceptable for there to be fewer than 4 of either sex on the court.

          The most senior judge on the court after McLachlin is Rosalie (Rosie) Abella and also the only longtime judge not appointed by Harper. She would also be the first Jewish Chief Justice.

          She is worshipped by activists in Canada.

          http://magazine.utoronto.ca/winter-2006/rosalie-abella-supreme-court-of-canada-women-judges/

          Abella is probably best known for her role as the sole commissioner on the Royal Commission on Equality in Employment. The federal government created the commission in 1983 to seek remedies for workplace discrimination against women, aboriginal peoples, people with disabilities and visible minorities. In her report to Ottawa the following year, Abella coined the concept and the term “employment equity,” which is sometimes described as the Canadian alternative to affirmative action. “Equality in the American context and everywhere else in the world had always been an Aristotelian concept: You treat likes alike,” she explains. “In the royal commission report was a notion of equality that acknowledges differences, and requires people to take them into account.” In other words, Abella recognized that the identical treatment of individuals may result in inequality. “Treating everyone alike means that the person in a wheelchair has the same right to work, but you’re not required to do anything to get him or her into the building,” she says. “If you don’t acknowledge differences you can’t create equality.”

          Abella later played an important role in another equality issue – the rights of gay couples. In 1998, while serving on the Ontario Court of Appeal, she wrote a landmark ruling that extended survivor benefits to same-sex partners. The case involved two members of the Canadian Union of Public Employees. The women asked the union to extend the definition of “spouse” under its pension plan. The union agreed, but Revenue Canada refused to accept the extension for the federal Income Tax Act. In her decision, Abella wrote that the definition of “spouse” in the act violated the equality provision of the charter. “Bold and inspired,” is how U of T law professor Carol Rogerson describes Abella’s ruling. “It predicted the future course of the law.”

          She also wrote the Ontario decision equalizing the age of consent for anal intercourse with other forms of sexual expression:

          “In my view,” wrote Abella, “s. 159 (of the Criminal Code) arbitrarily disadvantages gay men by denying to them until they are eighteen a choice available at the age of fourteen to those who are not gay, namely, their choice of sexual expression with a consenting partner to whom they are not married. Anal intercourse is a basic form of sexual expression for gay men.”

      • Ninja0980

        Neither party will go for that sad to say.

  • Leo

    Lots of worthy conversation here on this and the bigger picture if my comment thread alone’s any indication (!!!). So many articulate well-informed people here that it just makes me angry that isn’t more of the case across Dem demographics we need to make a difference.

    Stay woke sounds cheesy to me as does keep the faith so I’ll bypass any sayings in closing. Just…stay involved. That’s all. Hope y’all enjoyed your Thanksgiving.

    • JWC

      Agreed , The wild tirade of the Idiot in chief and the general political mud slinging ,it is hard to do the most obvious thing “STAY FOCUSED” When this dust cloud has settled and before more form, we still have a crook in power .All distractions to derail the main thrust

      • William

        Emoluments! We should all be up in arms over emoluments.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Stay involved, stay informed, don’t block out every voice that isn’t perfectly in line with your views.

  • Ninja0980

    Part of the problem with the Conyers case is this.
    The guy who gave the info to Buzzfeed is a far right hack.
    So while the info may be valid, the person who exposed it didn’t do so out of the goodness of his own heart.
    IMO, Conyers does need to go but make no mistake, this is completely a Republican hit job and at some point(Franken might be it), there are going to be Democrats won’t budge, especially if nothing (and you know there are) comes out on Republicans.

    • Reality.Bites

      I have no problem with far left hacks doing the same to Republicans.

      There are more of them

    • gaycuckhubby

      Doesn’t matter who brought it to attention. A reputable news organization thoroughly vetted it.
      It’s not a hit job if it’s true

      • Ninja0980

        If only one side (when we know there are both) being exposed again and again, that’s a hit, valid info or not.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I think the Republicans had their fair share of exposure. How the voters respond is out of our control.

          Trump, Moore, Vetter, Stanford, Hastert, Gingrich have all been exposed legitimately.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Does anyone else see the larger picture here? Women are mad as HELL about Trump being elected and the way Hillary was treated and the way Republicans are gunning for them. This didn’t just suddenly happen. This has been building up over decades. Now, how can we make the most of this (take advantage of this?)
    Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris. Run them against Trump. Women are (with the notable exception of Hillary!) seen to be more honest and I think everyone is tired of the corruption after one year. People are ready for a woman president the way they were ready for a black outsider of a Senator after eight years of Shrub.

    • Lazycrockett

      But Warren and Harris aren’t Bernie so Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Excuse me…but I was a Bernie supporter who voted for Hillary. When are you idiots going to stop raking over your bruised little egos like a dog returning to eat his own vomit? Get over it! Stop sowing dissention and move forward or you are doing the Republicans job …and Moscow’s job…for them.

        • Most of the time it’s been bernie supporters, themselves, causing dissention. The bitter, tired jokes on bernie’s expense are made regarding exactly that– just look at the stupid, ridiculous “controversy” over “donuts and water”.

          So if you want to make some self-righteous ass-clappage like this post you just made, you’re just gonna get a lot of rolled eyes.

          • Joseph Miceli

            (in a bitchy little whiney voice) “Most of trhe time it’s been (B)ernie supporters…”
            Grow the fuck up. I am not being self righteous or whatever the fuck “ass-clappage” is… although I’m SURE you are familiar with it….I am describing how stupid it is to sow dissention in the face of fucking Nazis. We are being run by fascists and idiots like you want to keep rehashing the role of Bernie Bros in the last election. What are you, a Russian bot?
            You can roll your eyes till they end up in your ass for all I care. Stop working to divide Progressives when we need to be unified.

          • Benny Cemoli ✔ Gold Verified

            Of course it’s stupid to sow dissension at this point.But that’s all that the regressive alt-left liberal democrats are good at doing. Sowing dissension. And that’s what’s going to lose them the 2018 midterms elections and the 2020 presidential election. They simply can’t get over the fact that HRH Saint Hillary lost to Donald J. Trump of all people and are looking to blame everyone but themselves.

            The regressive alt-left liberal democrats need to dump the baggage that is HRH Saint Hillary, stop the blame game and get their fucking act together and run some serious campaigns before it’s too late.

            But of course, they won’t do that.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Well you’re hardly in a position to judge as long as you’re calling them the ” regressive alt left .” I agree though Hillary’s time has passed …. and so has Bernie’s ! It’s time for new blood .

    • gaycuckhubby

      We need a woman POTUS! My vote is for Gillibrand but I would happily take Harris or Warren or Obama

  • ECarpenter

    We need to wait until an honest investigation is done. There’s way too much “string ’em up” vigilantism happening in the media (including here) right now.

  • Rick Zajac

    My rep; what’s interesting is my African-American Detroit friends tell me they’ve known for years that Mr. Conyers bats for our team and his marriage to that idiot Monica was for show. I guess we shall see.

  • coram nobis

    Randy Rainbow sings about scandal and those good old days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oW1CN8sbw0

  • sfmike64

    He needs to go. He paid her off by setting up a no-show job for her.

    That’s corruption, plain and simple. BYE BYE.