Trump Recently Claimed #Pussygate Tape Is Fake

In a report on how Trump’s support for Roy Moore has handed the Democrats a juicy midterms talking point, the New York Times reveals this nugget:

Something deeper has been consuming Mr. Trump. He sees the calls for Mr. Moore to step aside as a version of the response to the now-famous “Access Hollywood” tape, in which he boasted about grabbing women’s genitalia, and the flood of groping accusations against him that followed soon after. He suggested to a senator earlier this year that it was not authentic, and repeated that claim to an adviser more recently. (In the hours after it was revealed in October 2016, Mr. Trump acknowledged that the voice was his, and he apologized.)

So Mr. Trump has been particularly open to the idea, pushed by Mr. Moore’s defenders, that the candidate is being wrongly accused, even as Mr. McConnell and a parade of other Republicans have said they believe the accusers. When a group of senators gathered with the president in the White House last week to discuss the tax overhaul, it took little to get Mr. Trump onto the topic of Mr. Moore — and he immediately offered up the same it-was-40-years-ago defense, according to officials at the meeting.

  • Boreal
  • Lazycrockett

    Tell that to Billy Bush who is standing in the unemployment line as we speak.

  • Droz

    Damn, I misread the headline and thought that for one golden instant that the piss tape had been released.

    • popebuck1

      Same here! When, WHEN are we going to be able to watch the “pee-pee tape” (hopefully with barf bags in hand) and judge its authenticity for ourselves?

    • JT
      • normadesmond

        Just like walking through the fragrance department of Bloomingdale’s and getting SPRITZED!

        • another_steve

          I always spritz myself in department stores. All those lovely enormously expensive colognes sitting out on the counter, beckoning. “Try me, sweetie. Try me.”

          How can any bona fide male homosexual just pass that by?

          • Opinion Sousaphones

            Well… I can… although I am a bit of a failure as a homosexual man. I don’t dance, my fashion sense is truly abysmal, I am married to a farmer, and I prefer the company of dogs (especially akitas) to that of humans. However, I am very gay when and where it counts. I even bite, if you ask nicely.

          • another_steve

            I like a man who knows how to bite. 😉

          • greenmanTN

            I am a weird mix. Hate Streisand and Madonna, hate shopping, like woodworking, but know movie references out the yin/yang, can recite the script of The Bad Seed and give me a hot glue gun and stand back!

          • pj

            cant

          • JWC

            because for the most part a bonafide homosexual no longer uses colognes

          • vorpal

            I think the last time I wore cologne was 2004.

            The husband would complain for days if I spritzed myself like that. He hates artificial smells and says they make him feel off. We had a friend who used to douse himself in the stuff and we had to ask him to stop before he came over, or stop coming over altogether. You couldn’t even hug the guy without coming out of it like you were in some kind of accident in a department store cologne section.

          • JWC

            There used to be a chain of ( can’t remember the name) in malls and airports Something or other ..”Body Shop”…Their major color scheme was yellow and green Sold scented soaps and what not The smell from there literally made my eyes water. Even now going thru any department stores pasiing the perfume department I must scurry by

          • vorpal

            Are you talking about “the Body Shop?”
            I remember the stores, the yellow-green sign and decorating scheme, and the horrible smells. My girl friends back when I was a teenager always wanted to go in and it felt like being bitchslapped into next week from the potent smells.

          • JWC

            They had one and the YVR arpt and Seb believe me I had to stay far away My nose would clogg i would sneeze eyes water Shoppers Drug mart and the Bay were the same , an ebtrance thru the perfume departmentment and there vwent my nose I have been to Bear functions where colognes are outright barred

  • ChrisInKansas

    It’s so obviously dementia.

    • Bambino

      More likely a pathological liar.

    • David Walker

      I almost got my therapist to admit to the lack of health in the fucking moron’s mind, but he caught himself just shy of what sounded like it was going to be “he’s crazier than fuck…and I use ‘crazy’ in a diagnostic way.” He went as far as “I’m not about to contradict you.” Close enough.

  • Harveyrabbit

    Yes, clearly fake. In fact if you watch it again closely you’ll see that they used this stand-in animatronic dummy for tTrump.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f2fd98dc2df63e4759a1c11dde0c64632542bda4b872b7469a3e5ec1ed22930.jpg

    It even looks more lifelike than the real thing. Although its penis is much larger.

    • Blake J Butler

      Ew fupa!

    • GanymedeRenard
    • Ernest Endevor

      The penis is too big and the belly too small. He has severe fatty liver disease and it’s getting worse.

      • Cattleya1

        He’s got fatty brain as well.

    • BearEyes

      is this the statue Disney’s Hall of Presidents is waiting for?

    • Reality.Bites

      That’s because the statues has an outie and trump has an innie.

      • Harveyrabbit

        You’re talking about his dick right?

        • RoFaWh

          The proper terminology about dick size involves concepts like “grower”, “shower”, and “to turtle.”

          Innie and outie usually refer to belly buttons.

          • Reality.Bites

            I know that. I chose to use that term anyway for comedic effect.

          • RoFaWh

            Did you think that my prim little response was meant in any other way?

        • Reality.Bites

          YUP

  • JT

    Descartes: I think. Therefore I am.

    Drumpf: I am. Therefore I stink.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Drumf: On a second thought, I stink, therefore I’m a yuuuge stinker. The best. People are saying it. Bigly.

  • safari
    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      LOL, yep, just more fakery. It’s the only thing he knows how to do

    • David Walker

      The painting is fake. Worse, so is the frame.

      Edit: And don’t get me started on the owner.

    • another_steve

      Wow. That’s one scary story. Thanks for posting the link, safari.

      What everyone is discovering is that it’s more than just a grossly inflated ego thing with Trump. The man appears to be seriously mentally ill.

      • David Walker

        Several lifetimes ago, I was tutor for the functionally illiterate. I was amazed at how they faked their ways through their lives. Most of them developed outstanding memories so they could remember what a sign indicated, and they all knew a few basic words. But for whatever reason they decided they needed help, they needed to be able to read, they had to stop lying to themselves and friends and family, they were tired of being afraid of getting caught.

        If people can be functionally illiterate, I suppose they can be functionally mentally fucked up, too, until people catch on. Wouldn’t it be nice it people caught on? At some point we have to get over the attitude, “Yeah, but I’m just an old fart. What can I do?” We have to decide and then do it.

        • another_steve

          I think what the Trump horror we’re living through has shown us – is showing us, David – is just how many functional mentally ill people there are in this country of ours. How in heaven’s name can a boor and a bigot and a blatant liar like Donald Trump still garner “favorability” numbers in the mid-30s? How is such a thing possible?

          Trump and Roy Moore are a perfect fit. Both are completely amoral and both have rabidly amoral bases.

          Frightening.

          • thatotherjean

            Steve: Trump has (or says he has) lots and lots of money–more than an average Joe could spend in dozens of lifetimes. Never mind that Trump inherited all the money and has lost a fair chunk of it over time, lots of people admire men with money. Trump owns businesses, of which he is the boss, giving him power. Lots of people admire men with power.

            it doesn’t really matter to some people that he’s a boor and a bigot and a liar–he has money and power, and he’s now President, even if he didn’t really want the job, and he’s in way over his head. Money, power, and prestige–Trump has things a lot of people want, and they admire him for getting (never mind that he didn’t actually earn any of it) them for himself. For some folks, Trump is bullet proof, no matter what ammunition is used against him. Yeah, it’s scary.

          • Canadian Observer

            nice summation jean

          • another_steve

            Good points, jean. One analyst I heard speak on point put it this way:

            Trump’s deplorables – under-educated, low-info and low-income as they are – have for all their lives heard people denigrate and dismiss them (in the case of the KKK’ers and neo-Nazi’s, well-deservedly). So along comes Trump – a wealthy and powerful man – who coddles them and tells them that their lives are real and everything else out there is fake.

            They eat it up. They forgive Trump for all the days on the golf course and for him grabbing their daughters’ pussies.

            He loves us, they say to themselves.

          • thatotherjean

            It’s a pity that they’re so completely wrong, since Trump doesn’t give a damn about anybody but himself.

        • Reality.Bites

          David, perhaps with your experience you could explain how these people who develop great memories and know a few words don’t learn more and more, like most of us do after we’re taught the basics.

          Is it generally a result of learning disabilities, or once they’re taught, do they tend to learn to read the way others do?

          • David Walker

            I am no expert on this. The people I came into contact with knew what “Harrisburg” looked like even though they didn’t know the letters. Literally, if it looks like that, then it’s Harrisburg. They used landmarks rather than street signs. Who doesn’t know what that red sign at the end of the street means? But the yellow signs that didn’t have pictures or the white signs with the numbers or the green signs overhead were less natural, and that’s what helped develop their memory, without benefit of actual words. Reading, once they got the basics, became a fairly quick process. It was no longer recognizing the shape; rather, they recognized the letters and that letters spelled words.

            These were not stupid people. They were people who, for whatever reason, could not (or did not) go to school…families constantly moving, problems getting along with other kids or teachers or who were, at the time unable to concentrate. Some dropped out of the Literacy Project because they didn’t “get it” right away. Learning anything can be frustrating, but especially the letter representation of your language. On the other hand, hearing a 35-year-old father of 2 read sentences because he knew the alphabet, knew sounds, and knew what the words meant was an emotional experience for both of us, second only to watching him create words on paper.

          • Cattleya1

            One of my grandfathers was illiterate to the end of his life. He was a bright man. Started and prospered in his own business, but never learned to read – severely dyslexic. He was born in 1904 – no special ed teachers back then.

        • RoFaWh

          The two things, illiteracy and mental illness, are not comparable. An illiterate can be reasonably expected to learn to read if given instruction. But all the instruction in the world won’t teach someone not to be delusional or malignantly narcissistic.

          Interestingly, a schizophrenic learned to deal with the delusions caused by his disorder. In an interview with some TV host, he said “you sitting there look like an apparition from Hell, but I know that’s just a hallucination, not something real.”

          • David Walker

            Totally agree, and I’m sorry that I conflated the two. In the sense that they are related, I know they are not. I was just toying with an idea. I do that sometimes here on JMG just to see what others think. As for the schizophrenic, perhaps he really was speaking to an apparition from Hell, especially if he was talking with Pat Robertson.

  • HoneyBoySmith

    What an embarrassment.

  • GanymedeRenard
  • Opinion Sousaphones

    This pig needs to spend the rest of his life in jail. The unrelenting filth of the man is just too much to bear.

  • MBear

    Oh say can you see
    Fucking insanity

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Everything about is FAKE AS FUCK!

    Oh , except this :

    https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/934517044510429184

    • Ernest Endevor

      Who is that?

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        He and his brother are pretty awesome on the twitter:

        Author, Father, Husband, Business Owner, Investor & Human Being — Fight Back Against Trump, Donate to The ACLU: https://action.aclu.org/secure/donate-to-aclu

    • Sporkfighter

      Crimes against the state of New York are more likely to put him behind bars. He can’t pardon co-conspirators fro state charges, and he can’t fire state prosecutors.

    • Bambino
    • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Joe in PA

      I don’t care about bombshells, I WANT INDICTMENTS! And soon!

      • OdieDenCO

        I’d be good with a couple for christmas then the big ones for Independence day. you know just to brighten up the election season.

        • Man_in_the_mists

          Don’t forget a major arrest on New Year’s.

    • Joe in PA

      On second thought, it would be nice to see some squirming…some dread in their faces.

    • Reality.Bites

      As far as I can tell from his twitter profile, this guy doesn’t have any more knowledge than any of us would.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok
        • TominDC

          Tom Who?

          Oh, you mean the guy who claimed to have video evidence of the dotard using the n-word and won’t release it?

          • Lumpy Gaga

            He said he saw it but couldn’t out the people who actually DID have copies in their possession because confidentiality agreements.

            Anyway, moot point. Everyone knows 1 person who has anything that might exist: “Apprentice” producer and rotwinger Mark Burnett. He’s sitting on anything and everything recorded on set.

    • Treant

      The fact that Mueller is sitting on this is what worries me.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Payshunz

    • Chucktech

      OK, barring some alternate universe in which Dems take over Congress in 2018, Donald Trump is going nowhere near prison during the remainder of his term. Assuming we have a Dem president in 2020 and Dems in control of Congress (hardly a given), you know goddam well President Dem will pull another Obama “We can’t dwell in the past, we must move forward.” Maybe even pardoning Trump. That’s just what Dems do. Wanna bet Donald Trump will skate on everything? Of course you don’t.

      • Sporkfighter

        New York will be waiting for him.
        California will be waiting for him.
        A thousand civil suits will be waiting for him.

        Mostly, New York will be waiting fro him.

        • Chucktech

          God, I hope so, because the Feds won’t be.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        We fight. Bigly fight

      • There is a possibility that Democrats could retake the House next year. The senate is nearly impossible. It would take more than a wave election. More like a tsunami. And even then, the votes needed to remove the president from office are just not there. Impeachment maybe, but conviction in the senate? Not gonna happen. This isn’t the 70s GOP that had some moderates and an electorate that might turn on someone they voted into power. 33 or so % that still support Trump are more than half the GOP primary voters so they don’t dare. So Trump is going to be president until Jan 2021.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Trump wont go to prison. The sooner we accept that sooner we can figure out the best way to move forward

    • Marides48

      Oh Please, please, please let this be true.

    • Priya Lynn

      I wish.

  • hdtex
  • Blake J Butler
  • MikeBx2

    Don’t know why he’d deny it. Not only did his supporters not turn against him, they encouraged him. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f20caf67f363139be442f17157ad33ce6c13e29c181ca8f0d7347a41e4775fa1.jpg

    • GanymedeRenard

      Sorry, ma’am. Your admired swine has said he’s only attracted to beautiful females, but you can still go to bed thinking of the wonders his tiny, chubby hands hooves can work for you in your dry whatever.

    • JCF

      This might not be popular to say, but I {shudder} w/ compassion, at whatever HELL this woman must have endured, to make her So.Very.Very.Fucked.Up. (while still hoping she has a nervous breakdown/breakthrough, right when she next intends to vote?)

      • Christopher

        Yep, them be some crazy eyes behind those glasses.

  • Halou

    …and George Pappy was just a coffee boy. Riiiiight.

    How long before he denies having ever having known a certain Mr Michael Flynn?

    • David Walker

      “Who? Oh, we brought him into the campaign for name recognition. He was just a volunteer, a campaign volunteer who was there for just a short time. We let him go because he ran up ahelluva phone bill.”

  • another_steve

    Is it just me or are others here noticing a deafening silence from the Democrats on most issues these days.

    Why aren’t they vigorously capitalizing on the Moore scandal by resurfacing the Access Hollywood tape and the female accusers who stepped forward during the campaign? Why aren’t there organized and massive demonstrations against this “tax reform” horror of the Republicans? The monster is stacking the federal judiciary with young theofascists who’ll be on the bench for a long long time. Silence concerning it.

    Anyone? Why the silence?

    • Halou

      The same reason why, despite knowing full well Trump was collaborating with a foreign government (or several), the last administration sat on that shit for fear of “looking partisan”. As if a Democrat v. Republican election battle can be anything but partisan.

      • GlennF

        Yep, that was the OBAMA administration.

        Obama was very very good in so many areas of policy. But he had one fatal flaw. He wasn’t a FIGHTER when the Dems needed a FIGHTER the most.

        And currently the Dems have an Obama surrogate, Tom Perez, as chairman of the DNC. Apparently ANOTHER non-fighter. smh

        What the Dems need now is a smart fighter like Howard Dean or Pete Buttigieg as head of the DNC. When will the Dems wake up?

    • Ninja0980

      Not sure about the rest but when it comes to the courts, Democrats have always been behind the eight ball.
      That hasn’t changed at all with Trump.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Laying low on Moore as Dem involvement catapults more Republicans to vote. Think Osoff. (And that wench is about as crazy as Moore).

      Not screaming about Trump? Harder to tell. Waiting to scream about Mueller’s inevitable “You’re fucked now, Donnnie” result? Maybe.

    • JCF

      https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/n/napoleonbonaparte/103585/napoleonbonaparte1-2x.jpg

      [NB: this seems to be a more reliable source than an attribution to Sun Tzu.]

    • AlternativeQuacks

      I think they’re trying to their eyes on the ball: Mostly the GOP tax plan, but also the various sneaky back-door attempts to strangle the ACA, the FCC ending net neutrality, Trump’s de facto attempt to end the CFPB by making it confusing who is in charge, … the daily list of horrors from the GOP, in other words. Trump is difficult to tackle in that sense because he breaks the normal person’s ‘outrage meter’ almost every day, sucking up all the media attention, yet he has that unmoveable 30% that stick with him no matter what, even if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue, as he himself suggested.

    • StudioTodd

      It seems like this would be the perfect time to capitalize on this interesting bit of deposition testimony:
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/677f682febad8d08662a33d1a62e268395f659b33116a01feba4f3448ab71fa1.jpg

      Why isn’t anyone publicizing this news?

    • gaycuckhubby

      They are too reliant on an investigation that will probably not bring down Trump… and too concerned about making mistakes before 2018

  • Zeldacat

    For fuck’s sake, we all heard it! Up yours!

  • margaretpoa

    We’ve already heard it. What do you think you are? Some kind of God-Emperor who just has to decree something and it becomes reality? We heard it. You admitted to it. You can’t just take it all back.

    • David Walker

      Of course he can. Don’t you know who he is? He’s the fucking moron. It’s always worked in the past. Of course, that was with his own people.

    • Halou

      Trump is the man who has fake Time Magazine covers in his office and a plaque commemorating a non-existent civil war battle at one of his golf resorts. History is apparently as open to interpretation as the future.
      And don’t get me started on that fake-ass hair.

  • Bambino
  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Trump: “Who you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes and ears?”

    Trump Base: “You, Dear Leader”

    The Rest of Planet Earth: “Oh Dotard honey, time for you to sit down and let mama explain the concept of reality to you.”

    • BeaverTales

      His base has an extremely short memory and is in complete denial about his virtue.

  • Blake J Butler
    • SoCalGal20

      Nate Silver also tweeted about this and one of the comments in response to his tweet about that awful NYT article was this. Brilliant!

      https://twitter.com/kenlayne/status/934530012924882944

      • Ragnar Lothbrok
        • KnownDonorDad
        • Octoberfurst

          How nice that the New York Times did a puff piece interview with a hate filled Nazi. What was the point of it? Are we to think, “Oh gee, how nice that he likes NPR. He’s just like any other guy. So normal!” Fuck Hovater and fuck the NYT’s.

        • I’ve hated the NY Times since they published Judith Miller’s wmd propaganda. The Times was complicit in the lies that got us into Iraq. Why would I trust them ever again?

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          • Steverino

            I’m old enough to remember when the NYT stubbornly refused to use “gay” instead of “homosexual” long after other publications, except for right-wing fishwraps, adopted the word “gay.”

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        • Hryflex

          I am sorry to say that I am probably a shirt-tail cousin of this idiot. My great-uncle Lawrence Hoverter is also related to the eminent organist Christopher Howerter. The surname went through several changes from Hochwaerter. My great-uncle greatly admired Jimmy Carter. He said, “Carter did only one thing wrong: he told Americans the truth.” Look up https://www.guidestar.org/profile/23-2944271

        • Raising_Rlyeh

          Jesus fucking christ, that was nauseating to read.

          • JackFknTwist

            Yes, it sure was. Apart from the vileness of the content, the sophomoric faux human interest shite makes me puke.

    • JT

      WTF is this shit, NYTimes? You deserve to be raked over the coals for publishing this excrement.

      Good photo though. Those eyebrows are satanic.

      • AlternativeQuacks

        They’re accents circonflexes. His facial expressions are in French.

        • JT

          Vichy brows.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Shit is one way to put it. It makes the Nazi Next Door look like someone featured in a Norman Rockwell painting “well, realizing that no-one except for those dirty Jews could afford such art, even though they’re not really welcome in America.” How pithy! Just who I want for a neighbor.

        • Gustav2

          They believe they are the Norman Rockwell painting.

    • Danieruw

      That crap is why I’m so done with the NYT. I can’t figure out why they do garbage like that. I can’t imagine it increases their readership unless they are now all about click bait. I won’t even go read their (dwindling) good editorial writers anymore.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Except thats not what Clinton said…
      I agree with what she did say but she shouldn’t have said it during a campaign

      • Christopher Smith

        Just no. What she said called out more than Nazis/white supremacists–the entire basket of hatemongering bigots and sexists– and it was one of the best things she said in the entire campaign. dRUMPf said, and says, any atrocity which crosses his tiny excuse for a mind, and you think Clinton shouldn’t have called sociopaths deplorable? You’re part of our problem. Blocked.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Lol. Really? My comment deserved a block? Enjoy the internets, Sir.

        • Boreal

          I blocked him a few weeks ago for being obnoxious and ignorant.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Out of curiosity, how does blocking work on disqus?
            You can obviously still see my activities and I can see your comments. What does the block option do?

      • Blake J Butler

        These people are nazis, they deserved what they did to be called that. The only ones saying it wasn’t so was those in the sanders camp that sympathize with the white working class voters that are deplorable.

        It’s not Romney’s 47 percent remark, because it was factual and there was no chance in hell that those people were going to vote for a woman democrat, or a socialist for president, they wanted baby Huey because he would stroke their fears and prejudices and tell them they deserved to be angry at victim populations for their problems.

        We couldn’t win for several reasons, the Russians, the latte liberals with third party votes, undecideds that were dumb as fuck, Comey with his finger on the scale, your republicans that knew he was shit but voted for him because they feared Hillary.

        They deserve to burn in hell. They deserve nothing more than that, they aren’t human.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I still maintain it was a stupid thing to say.
          If your going to call someone deplorable do it in a concise pointed way… “white supremacists are deplorable” would be a good way to phrase it

          • Blake J Butler

            No, 40 percent of the country had no problem with this at least, they deserved it, white supremacists is vague since we’re talking about a much larger demographic that truly feels oppressed when they don’t have people beneath them being treated like shit because they weren’t born white, straight and Christian which makes them feel superior over everyone that isn’t. The numbers have grown and are growing because they truly feel oppressed right now.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Sorry, I dont quite follow.
            Are you saying that well over 40% of Americans are deplorable?
            If our next Dem candidate believes that too then we can kiss our chances goodbye

          • Blake J Butler

            They had no problem with baby Huey, and their views get passed off as “economic anxiety” as an excuse they had to vote for him than he’s at least 40 percent of America is dismissive of white supremacists or sympathetic towards white supremacists. I do not care if these voters may have voted for Obama once or twice, if they pulled the lever for baby Huey, it is impossible for outreach and would mean sacrificing values of the party to appease people that left the party to begin with because democrats became more inclusive and aware.

            I don’t see more than 50 but I do see a plurality that are dismissive or sympathetic towards white supremacists.

          • gaycuckhubby

            So if they are a plurality and we can’t do outreach because they are unworthy of redemption then we will never have a Democratic President again.

          • Blake J Butler

            You don’t understand them, the media they consume the bubble worlds they live in, combined with religion, is a dose for white-straight Christian persecution complex, they will vote republican on their deathbeds because they have been fed for decades that democrats are evil and responsible for their
            suffering. Despite facts saying otherwise you cannot show them the truth because they’ll never believe it if it conflicts with their upbringing. Not to mention they have media outlets that specifically cater to their biases and prejudices.

            These are the same kind of people some on the left feel sorry for and want to do outreach with these people, the same that want to put them first over people of color, Latinos, and identity politic issues that are a betrayal to the base of the party to go after people that are too far gone.

      • Gerry Fisher

        I think that the problem is that the average American didn’t know enough about the Alt-Right to be able to process “deplorables.” Once again, Hillary was not communicating effectively on the campaign trail (instead, she was pleasing her base and people already in the know).

        • gaycuckhubby

          Thats exactly right. She wasn’t incorrect, but jumbled the delivery

  • Bambino
  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Pissygate?

  • Galvestonian

    OMG ! He just gets worse and the real horror is that he’ll have people believing him … the Rethug suck-up politicians ( the sycophants ) will say anything in a typical Rethug style to con and grift the public into staying true to his base.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Dementia? End-stage pathological lying? Both? Whatever the reason, Trump’s tenuous grip on reality fades with every golf stroke.

    • I honestly believe, as I’ve said elsewhere, that Donald’s malignant narcissism has progressed to a psychosis level, but it seems obvious just from listening to him that the dementia is advancing fast.

      This is him in 1999. Same attitudes, very different capacity to express himself.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_IG07XhT3k

      • Natty Enquirer

        Or did he learn from that unsuccessful campaign to dumb his speech down to 4th-grade level? It appears to have worked magnificently.

      • vorpal

        It’s almost creepy to see him speak in sentences longer than five words…

    • JCF

      Or “fades with every golf stroke.” (another possible explanation)

  • Capritaur

    I’m sure the Minister of Truth will soon announce her verdict.

  • Michael White

    O/T Rev Mike Huckabee sperm doner of the stupid sarah has said Blacks are not fully human.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/11/mike_huckabee_dred_scott_black_people_aren_t_fully_human_under_law_he_erroneously.html

    • clay

      Not so off-topic, if Turmp’s claim kicks loose that racist screed tape from “The Apprentice”.

      • Opinion Sousaphones

        Ah, this misspelling of his name I read first as “turnip”.

        • William

          Turnips are more intelligent than Trumps.

  • Cuberly Deux

    I’m sure gateway pundit is on the case, dreaming up a “scoop” on how the tape was toyed with. And of course Cult45 will most likely go along with it.

    Meanwhile at blightfart, they’ve moved their Moore coverage farther down the page. Seems Bannon’s self-dick-sucking-agenda has moved on to other RINOs they have in their sites. The articles they do have on Moore sure seem to be soft peddling support. Hardly what it used to be.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa4bb70566f4d75ca8fa5b27d86ba351bd3fc5c48e13cdab07b3b164a7012fae.png

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Sigh, they didn’t have to use a euphemism like “Double Barreled”, they could have just said “Fat Fuck”….it’s far more accurate, in so many respects.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Or, if I may, fat nazi pedo-enabler.

  • bkmn

    As soon as he signs that tax bill he is done. The GOP will have gotten what they wanted out of him and they will get rid of him. I wonder if he realizes that yet.

    • Tomcat

      No, still want more SCOTUS appointments.

      • Any GOP Oval Office seat warmer will give them those, along with scads of judicial appointments.

        What they want is for DONALD’s epileptic-fit of a signature on what’ll be derided as the worst tax cut/increase bill in GOP history. They also want his name on repealing ACA, and ideally also deep cuts or privatization of Medicare and Social Security.

        They want his name on all of those things, believing (delusionally) that people won’t realize the GOP passed them all.

  • Michael R
    • Cuberly Deux

      Meanwhile, Amy Sedaris most likely had to be restrained from throat punching Ms. Waffle House.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I hope that’s a faked twat.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Sam_Handwich

      Save us, Eggan McMuffin!!

    • Tomcat

      More like pro-diddly.

    • JCF

      The problem is, there are STILL too many Rethugs who will disagree.

      Abort a 1st trimester embryo? “Aaack, INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE! Murder!!!!”

      Grope (even rape) a 14 year old? “Eh, even IF he did it, the skank probably asked for/wanted/enjoyed it (and only regretted it later—or to cash in w/ elite libtards)”

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      They’re only pro life if it entails denying a womans right to a legal medical procedure. Once the delivery occurs they’re on their own. No benefits, no support, nothing.

  • Scout
  • JohnJay

    OK. If it really was fake, why is Billy Bush unemployed?

    • SoCalGal20

      Ding ding ding!

    • canoebum

      Those hidden out-takes will eventually be come to light via subpoena.

  • Start with the premise that Donald Trump is clinically insane. In addition to psychosis-level malignant narcissism, the knowledge he’s guilty and will be caught is eating him alive. (Which is good from a righteous justice angle…but not so good from the “omg, he’s gonna kill us all” angle.)

    Everything explains itself. He’s deep in his own denial and is trying to reshape reality itself to match his delusions. Hence, for example, his cray-tweeting on Thanksgiving, in which he called himself “your favorite President.”

    • JWC

      The GOP Is much like the selfish family that hasnt the heart or will to put down theri ancient and suffering favorite house pet For their own peace of mind let it linger. OK I realize that using heart and GOP in the same line is wrong as is accrediting them with any sense of empathy The message is still there

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      Becca you may be interested in this podcast — particularly the part with John Gartner

      http://thechaunceydevegashow.libsyn.com/ep-160-donald-trumps-mental-illnesses-and-john-muellers-indictments

    • canoebum

      Not only with The Orange Menace himself be brought low, but members of his family as well. Perhaps only Barron and Melanina will escape the inevitable ignominy. Those two can take he money left at the end and move to Europe for a more peaceful life.

      • Jonathan Smith

        AFTER they change their names.

  • Rocco

    As much as I want Twitler removed, it may be more enjoyable and better timing/strategy if it takes a while. I will certainly enjoy watching him twist in the wind for the duration of the process, and the slow disappearance of his smug family’s collective smirk. Gawd, they’re awful.

  • clay

    “Yeah, that’s the ticket . . . “

  • sadoldguy

    I think one of the reasons trump says these stupid things is for the ego boost when his fans ‘believe’ him.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Tom Arnold just teased to out someone

    https://twitter.com/TomArnold/status/934528115858014208

  • Richard B

    Since we have a lot of experience with Donald Trump now, we all know he a propensity to tell a lot of lies, lies that are easy to prove as lies. Since Trump has gone out of his way to deny that he or his campaign had any involvement with the Russians and the Mueller investigation is proving otherwise, I tend to believe not only are the pee-pee tapes real, some are saying their are more than one of them. I am sure when the Russians have felt they have extracted from Trump all the value they are ever going to get, our nation will be further embarrassed and humiliated when the world sees the tapes of the Russian prostitutes peeing all over the current POTUS for the sole purpose of desecrating the bed our previous president, Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle slept on …. It is the cherry on the cake for where the Republican Party has taken us all and maybe, since endorsing a serial pedophile for the Senate wasn’t low enough, just maybe this will be the crescendo pivotal moment of disgust, when the American public says they have had plenty enough of the republican party for good.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51d13254639b311d059bd7270bfb3f8e3166dc468d5aff1a0059a69ab0551d23.png

    • Ray Taylor

      I doubt Mr. Putin would bother to go such extremes when he already has comportment on Donnie. He is more interested in becoming Emperor of Russia and the Americas.

  • JWC

    It will be interesting in a Post Trump world how “Murica willresolve, accept and understand this debacle and how much the world will allow

    • canoebum

      We’re going to need a Constitutional Amendment which better defines the qualifications to be President or Vice President if this calamity is to be avoided in the future.

      • JWC

        A definite good start

      • JWC

        and some sort of congressional override that prevents one political party (currently thrGOP) from pushing itz agenda forward

      • Ray Taylor

        There is already a check in our constitution to handle this situation, however the elected delegates failed to do their duty and reject the unqualified candidate.
        The Electoral College.

        • canoebum

          Ain’t that the truth? Perhaps we should also look at the qualifications to be an Elector, starting with, no party hacks.

  • safari
    • Leo

      Posted this essay a couple of days ago on here and it got a great reception. Can’t recommend it enough. It really is a tour-de-force. For those that haven’t read it yet, please do.

      • coram nobis

        Long read but highly worthwhile. Two main points: it’s not economics but race that’s central to Trump’s win, and he seems to be doing exactly what his base want him to do. The Dems, some of them, want to chase a demographic that they really shouldn’t go for.

        Overall, poor and working-class Americans did not support Trump; it was white Americans on all levels of the income spectrum who secured his victory. Clinton was only competitive with Trump among white people making more than $100,000, but the fact that their shares of the vote was nearly identical drives the point home: Economic suffering alone does not explain the rise of Trump.

        • Paul

          Indeed. But we have some here saying we shouldn’t call racists racist as you might hurt their feelings and then they won’t vote Dem.

      • Ray Taylor

        A Link please.

    • AlternativeQuacks

      That is an excellent article, but it’s so brutally honest that a lot of people may find it hard to read. But it’s the truth.

      The Atlantic has really been doing some impressive work the last couple weeks, just as the NY Times seems to have lost its compass.

      • SoCalGal20

        The NYT lost its compass a long time ago. What’s so infuriating is they have dome good writers and people that do quality work. And then thry publish bullshit like this.

        Luckily, WaPo (also can be hit or miss at times but overall better than NYT imo), The Atlantic, Vanity Fair, TEEN VOGUE, and The Guardian (among others) have picked up some of the slack.

        • Ray Taylor

          There still is Mother Jones and The Rolling Stone.

      • coram nobis

        Some money quotes:

        Nearly a year into his presidency, Trump has reneged or faltered on many of his biggest campaign promises—on renegotiating nafta, punishing China, and replacing the Affordable Care Act with something that preserves all its popular provisions but with none of its drawbacks. But his commitment to endorsing state violence to remake the country into something resembling an idealized past has not wavered.
        * * *
        One hundred thirty-nine years since Reconstruction, and half a century since the tail end of the civil-rights movement, a majority of white voters backed a candidate who explicitly pledged to use the power of the state against people of color and religious minorities, and stood by him as that pledge has been among the few to survive the first year of his presidency.
        * * *
        One measure of the allure of Trump’s white identity politics is the extent to which it has overridden other concerns as his administration has faltered.The president’s supporters have stood by him even as he has evinced every quality they described as a deal breaker under Obama. Conservatives attacked Obama’s lack of faith; Trump is a thrice-married libertine who has never asked God for forgiveness. They accused Obama of being under malign foreign influence; Trump eagerly accepted the aid of a foreign adversary during the election. They accused Obama of genuflecting before Russian President Vladimir Putin; Trump has refused to even criticize Putin publicly …

        • Ray Taylor

          Putin, Trump and Macron (possibly unwillingly) The New Order as Putin strives for.

      • Ray Taylor

        Agree, I must renew my subscription.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      They got what they wanted but they’re still so angry and needy.

      • Gerry Fisher

        They got a symbolic victory. They didn’t really get what they wanted, which is an iron clad superior social position and an ability to let go of their anxiety about minorities.

    • Gerry Fisher

      Beautifully concise and powerful summary of the article (I’ll go read it now). My admiration for RuPaul continues to grow.

  • Sam_Handwich

    has this already made the rounds at JMG?

    https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/934258836826976256

  • Tomcat

    The main character is a fake, so maybe so.

  • Lazycrockett
    • MikeBx2

      He’s concerned how CNN represents our nation to the world. SMDH

      • safari

        I mean, once you dismantle the state department, who else is going to represent the US?

        • Ray Taylor

          Nobody is now.

    • Leo

      Oh NOES if the Brits are any example, good luck. POOR DONNY his safe space Fox News got REJECTED by the Brits and Murdoch’s purchase of Sky may also FAIL from the reprehensible Seth Rich talking point they hammered for far too long.

      NOT. HAPPENING.

    • Fascists always prefer their loyal propaganda stations.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • greenmanTN

        I don’t have a Twitter account but if I did this is definitely one I would follow. It’s my secret wish/hope that the person behind it is either a JMGer or Stephen Colbert and his staff.

        (Colbert is the LOTR geek. On a visit to the LOTR set in NZ he won a trivia contest against Peter Jackson’s on-set expert.)

        I say this as someone who never got through even one of the books or have seen any of the movies. “A bunch of goddamn hobbits and elves skipping through the fucking forest!”

        • Bryan

          I would love that, especially if it ended with a video of him in full makeup dancing.

        • Ray Taylor

          Aww. But their story is enchanting.

      • Ray Taylor

        I followed him for the newses! and foggy
        truths!

        • Ray Taylor

          Come to think of it thats pretty much what all the news is in these times.

  • Leo

    So Twitter’s going HAM at NYT for trying to humanize Nazi’s all of a sudden.

    I’m like – where have you fuckers BEEN THE LAST YEAR!!!??! ARRggHHGH

    • Lazycrockett

      Someone posted a NYT puff piece they did on Hitler back in the early 30’s.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Again, I recommend Kliph Nesteroff’s “The Comedians”.

        The fascist/Nazi sympathies from our advertising media overlords (and prosecutors) in the pre-war years is stunning in black and white. I’m not even up to the age of television yet, and surely, more crimes against humanity will have opportunities to unravel.

        https://www.amazon.com/Comedians-Thieves-Scoundrels-History-American/dp/0802125689

    • JCF

      “going HAM”: ooh, learned another new phrase today…

      • Ray Taylor

        Ham actors have been about forever.

  • JT
  • Kevin Andrews

    The illness of the Fascist’s Goldman-Sachs ownership and operation of this Oval Office is only exceeded by the Russian Money-Laundering of this criminal family. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8f6c2ac98fc1f60da04cdd60143df7d63046de6ef34b87bfb0fcd150bb2874d0.png

  • MikeBx2

    CNN responds to Trump’s recent tweet.
    https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/934559957713932290

  • boobert

    ” Your a vile sorry little bitch ! ” She might have said it to Olivia, but meant it for Joan!

  • Michael R
  • ChrisBnSF
  • Thorn Spike

    Beyond pathetic.

    • Jonathan Smith

      “Beyond pathetic.”
      and that’s dRump

      • LesbianTippingHabits


        and those still working for him – way beyond pathetic.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    I just love the term Pussygate !

  • Lazycrockett
    • greenmanTN

      Excellent thread. If it isn’t already, it should be available as a single statement instead of as a series of tweets, though that format serves it well in a way, like a series of bullet points.

    • SoCalGal20

      Excellent thread. He’s not wrong.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I agree with everything he says. The problem is what to do about it. The fascists in this country truly believe a white nationalist dominionist theocracy would benefit them.

  • Jonathan Smith
    • WhitewaterDave

      Yep, I cried.

    • SoCalGal20

      I love that performance with all the Valjeans from around the wold singing in their native language. And I’m always a sucker for that song.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      Thank you (just because)

    • Ray Taylor

      Testosterone Alert!

  • JT
    • Ray Taylor

      He’s a turkey who will not be pardoned.

  • Cuberly Deux
  • SoCalGal20

    Actual quote from the NYT Nazi profile.

    He said that while the Nazi leader Heinrich Himmler wanted to exterminate groups like Slavs and homosexuals, Hitler “was a lot more kind of chill on those subjects.”

    • JT

      Nazi normalizing by NY Times: Hey, we’ll kill you. But we’ll be chill about it.

      • Natty Enquirer

        The Times believes its readership capable of detecting the monster in plain daylight without need of shrieking alarms and flashing lights.

        • JT

          Normalizing is normalizing. No bullshit please.

          • billbear1961

            Thank you, JT!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        These are not you grandfather’s Nazis!!

        (Was it in the Style section?)

        • JCF

          Nazi is the New Black!

      • billbear1961

        American media: “We must be impartial and unbiased! Let’s give insane hatred and lies a good hearing! It’s the responsible thing to do! No doubt they have a valuable contribution to make to democracy!! Let’s sugarcoat their evil and see whom we can win over to their cause!!”

    • BobSF_94117

      “more kind of chill” = preferred to work them to death

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        And submit them to torturous “scientific” experimentation…till they died. The end.

  • justme

    So Donnie is claiming that the tape has been O’Keefed…Sorta like all those GOPT tapes that say the opposite of what was originally said..
    Really???!!!
    Bet it means it’s far worse than what we have heard..
    Is golden showergate worse than what we have heard??

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lazycrockett
      • greenmanTN

        Hey, we’re not stupid, we just take a little longer to say things! 😁

        (Just kidding. There is a fuck-load of stupid in Tennessee!)

        • Treant

          72% of you are more than bright enough. And 8% are apparently bright enough to have questions.

      • Sam_Handwich

        shareholder profits is all that matters.

        we need more organized labor.

      • BobSF_94117

        Nice to see the polling organizations doing Trump’s work for him and conducting loyalty tests…

    • Cuberly Deux

      Why doesn’t, um, lets say “conservative” voters, ask for some attached conditions on that there tax bill? Sorta along the lines that any tax break doesn’t turn into shareholder dividends….so many other ways to compel them towards accountability.

      When have the GOP & the oligarchs ever followed through with any of that grand trickle down stuff? Polls consistently prove that the majority tend to not fall for it.

  • SoCalGal20

    Have we discussed Trump’s Orwellian CFPB tweet?

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/934539256940417024

    • fuzzybits

      We’re waiting here for his disastrous pick to come home and run for Gov.

    • stevenj

      Republican translation: Financial institutions have not been able to screw you over as much as they’d like to be able to properly pad their profits.

    • BobSF_94117

      I know he’s just making shit up as he goes, but to what “devastated” financial institutions is he alluding?

      • JohnJay

        The ones that are causing the Dow Jones to hit new record highs.

      • Ray Taylor

        Trump enterprises that he no longer has any interest in (like hell).

    • Ray Taylor

      Donnie has no idea what CFPB means; just that he hates it.

  • fuzzybits
    • SoCalGal20

      There is a tweet for everything.

    • Ray Taylor

      As you well know, little perv Donnie.

  • Henry Auvil

    I recently claimed that @realDonaldTrump is fake.

    • Ray Taylor

      Me too!

  • SoCalGal20

    I know this article was posted downthread but I just started reading it. First takeaway, what’s old is new again. Does this sound like Trump and the press coverage of Trump’s base to you? This is referring to David Duke’s run for Senate in 1990:

    It was 1990 and David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, astonished political observers when he came within striking distance of defeating incumbent Democratic U.S. Senator J. Bennett Johnston, earning 43 percent of the vote. If Johnston’s Republican rival hadn’t dropped out of the race and endorsed him at the last minute, the outcome might have been different.

    Was it economic anxiety? The Washington Post reported that the state had “a large working class that has suffered through a long recession.” Was it a blow against the state’s hated political establishment? An editorial from United Press International explained, “Louisianans showed the nation by voting for Duke that they were mad as hell and not going to take it any more.” Was it anti-Washington rage? A Loyola University pollster argued, “There were the voters who liked Duke, those who hated J. Bennett Johnston, and those who just wanted to send a message to Washington.”

    More:

    Duke’s strong showing, however, wasn’t powered merely by poor or working-class whites—and the poorest demographic in the state, black voters, backed Johnston. Duke “clobbered Johnston in white working-class districts, ran even with him in predominantly white middle-class suburbs, and lost only because black Louisianans, representing one-quarter of the electorate, voted against him in overwhelming numbers,” The Washington Post reported in 1990. Duke picked up nearly 60 percent of the white vote. Faced with Duke’s popularity among whites of all income levels, the press framed his strong showing largely as the result of the economic suffering of the white working classes. Louisiana had “one of the least-educated electorates in the nation; and a large working class that has suffered through a long recession,” The Post stated.

    By accepting the economic theory of Duke’s success, the media were buying into the candidate’s own vision of himself as a savior of the working class.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/546356/

    • greenmanTN

      The influence of the fear, resentment and hate driven narrative put forth by the GOP and their in-house propaganda arm Fox News (along with other right wing media) cannot be overstated.

      • Ray Taylor

        The less the staff, the less government control. the GOPers arent stupid, just greedy.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i got the economic anxieties. i’m voting white power!!

      • Lazycrockett

        So then lets cut corporate tax and put the burden on the middle and poor that will fix everything!!!!

        • Sam_Handwich

          #MAGA

          • greenmanTN

            Making America Go Apeshit

          • billbear1961

            Doesn’t take much to make it do that.

        • JohnJay

          That’s the genius of the Republican way: Grab as much as you can from the middle class, and make sure that the middle class blames the poor.

  • SoCalGal20

    OMG there’s a companion piece to the NYT Nazi article where the writer (I hesitate to call him a journalist) basically admits his article is shit but gives himself a pat on the back because sometimes your subjects don’t give you all the answers.

    No need to, you know, DO SOME ACTUAL CONTEXT of the modern Nazi movement or anything. You cannot make this shit up.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/insider/white-nationalist-interview-questions.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Frichard-fausset&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&referer=https://t.co/AtQ1I3o0ei

    • Lazycrockett

      That would take time and patience and who can be bothered with that.

    • billbear1961

      I wouldn’t line a birdcage with the fucking Times.

      Thank you for keeping us abreast of what the irresponsible fucks have been up to, SCG.

      • SoCalGal20

        Not just me! I was one of several people who posted about this today. But thank you, billbear!

    • billbear1961

      The Times and the goddamned Nazi-lovers at NPR.

      Christ, how I hate them all!

  • Sam_Handwich

    this is for Mister Bear, if he prowls around tonight

    https://twitter.com/historylvrsclub/status/934612176630878209

  • Well now.
    https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/934604151526342656

    Seems Bobby Three Sticks is looking at potential Logan Act violations. Y’see, it’s illegal for private citizens to be negotiating with foreign governments. And at the time, Mr. Kushner was very much a private citizen.

    This here is an allegation that Kushner sought to kill a UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements.

    • Ninja0980

      Tsk, tsk.
      Trying to find a fuck to give for Kushner and have found that I’m all out.

    • If so, this is an interesting angle, because as we know, both during the campaign and the transition, Trumpers (including Don Jr) were talking to governments and their reps from all over the world.

      Kushner, Don Jr, Ivanka, Papadopolous, Page, Manafort, Flynn, Prince, Stone, etc. This could be a very large net indeed.

      We already know some of them were negotiating with or working directly for foreign governments but not registered as agents.

      • Sam_Handwich

        they have no idea what they’ve done or what they’re doing. the shitshow hasn’t even started yet.

        • Top among a lot of it seems to be this overweening sense of absolute entitlement to do whatever the fuck they wanted, the law be damned…coupled to what appears to be complete ignorance about the laws they were routinely breaking.

          I mean, for fuck’s sake, Flynn openly conspiring to kidnap a legal US resident to ship him to Turkey for execution? Trumpers acting as if they were already a valid shadow government before he’d even secured the nomination? Not even bothering to hide rather obvious real estate money laundering and sanctions-breaking?

          I still wish Obama and the Dems had done more to stop this nightmare. The Republicans, too.

          • billbear1961

            The fact they DIDN’T act to stop them makes me wonder to what extent the Establishment will act NOW, how far they’ll go to hold them truly and strictly accountable.

            We’re seeing lying and corruption on an unprecedented scale, and much of the country doesn’t care, doesn’t even want to be BOTHERED by the investigations, wants it all to go away because they’re too STUPID and goddamned LAZY to care (or too corrupt themselves and invested in supporting the kind of authoritarianism they want to see CRUSH all the people and modernism they HATE).

            This country DISGUSTS me!

            Despite EVERYTHING we’re seeing, many will just expect us to accept what’s happened and what’s happening and let them get away with it!

            We will be expected to just accept GANGSTER government.

            NO!!

          • Take heart in the election a few weeks ago, dear Billbear. The opposition is PISSED. And they showed up. Virginia is evidence of that, as are other locales around the country where Dems resoundingly kicked GOP asses, including in districts where they weren’t expected to do well at all.

          • billbear1961

            I do take heart in those victories–I do!

            But the DAMAGE they’re doing is REAL. They’re consolidating their power by stacking the courts. They are going to work on suppressing the vote as never before, especially after witnessing our recent victories; and the press is normalizing fascism as they normalized Trump.

            And their attack on the very concept of objective truth rages on, all but unchallenged!

    • Sam_Handwich

      there was a report today or yesterday about Dotard being pissed off at Jarvanka for throwing Roy Moore under the bus

      it’s the family and the national party coming apart at the seams

    • SoCalGal20

      Jerusalem Post is a little slow, I think. They cite WSJ as the source. It’s behind a paywall but I think they’re referencing this article from 5 days ago. Still, excellent news!

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/special-counsel-mueller-probes-jared-kushners-contact-with-foreign-leaders-1511306515

    • Natty Enquirer

      It seems Mueller has found his Jared Lever.

  • HOW IS THIS HAPPENING?

    Maybe I’ll wake up tomorrow and have a “Bobby Ewing in the shower” moment. It could happen, right? No? Fuck.

    • There will have been Germans who said the same thing in 1939… And then they were forced to shut up or else.

      Bobby Three Sticks needs to hurry.

      • JCF

        Bobby Three Sticks?

        Oh, he’s “the Third”.

        • Yeah, I picked it up on the Twitterverse somewhere.

          Robert S. Mueller III = Bobby Three Sticks

          • greenmanTN

            I’ve seen that here before but had no clue what it referred to.

            Donnie Two Scoops is one of my faves because that whole thing highlights his pettiness.

          • Apparently in the world of mob prosecution, it’s not uncommon for both the crime family members and the prosecutors to acquire colorful nicknames.

            And make no mistake, beneath the election stealing and Nazis and treason, the Trump business is built on organized crime.

            If this goes forward, there will be RICO charges in the mix.

          • greenmanTN
      • Ninja0980

        My uncle (we did briefly discuss politics on Thanksgiving) believes the Republican Revolution of 94 and the rise of right wing radio laid the groundwork for all of this.
        And IMO, looking back at how D.C. truly changed after that, I believe he’s right.

        • DreadPikathulhu

          Your uncle is correct. I’ve been active in politics since the early 90s and watched the entire thing develop. The key was the abolishment of the Fairness Doctrine, which gave the GOP the ability to build 24×7 propaganda networks, first on talk radio and then on FOX news.

          • Ninja0980

            Yup, and after that the 94 Revolution where Gingrinch made it a point to let every Republican know that they were to avoid any and all Democrats at any cost and refuse to compromise with them.
            And those that broke this rule would face a primary challenge.
            Brought the days of compromise and being able to work with the other side to an end.

          • billbear1961

            And still–STILL–nothing is done to DEAL with the right’s media LIE machine.

            And, worse, the “serious” news media are normalizing fascism in the same way they normalized Trump.

            This is the main reason I remain pessimistic.

            I’m also pessimistic because I see SANE people online despairing and wringing their hands and refusing to PROTEST if that’s what it will take–and I think it will–to STOP fascism!!

            The defeatism is NAUSEATING!!

        • I think your uncle is right. I also remember how in the aftermath of the 1992 election, the Republicans became obsessed with delegitimizing Clinton’s presidency.

          It was then it became clear they cared only about winning, not about democracy or the rule of law. The law itself became a weapon for them, not for justice, but to punish one’s political opponents.

          • DreadPikathulhu

            Remember Rush Limbaugh’s “America Held Hostage, day XXX” lead in each of his shows starting with Clinton’s election?

          • Yes, I do.

          • Ninja0980

            Yup and after Bork, they really became obsessed with turning the courts into right wing hell holes, which they are now sadly succeeding in.

          • billbear1961

            They can’t do these things without the majority’s CONSENT.

            An absence of protests on a scale like the Women’s March IS that consent!!

      • billbear1961

        It’s disgusting to see how the SANE majority in this country will just bow down to GANGSTER government.

        Large and sustained protests can STOP them in their tracks until they can be DEALT with by the LAW.

        And IF the law WON’T deal with them, WE must!!

    • DreadPikathulhu

      If we survive, entire libraries will be filled with books on this subject.

      • JCF

        And if we don’t, there will be no libraries (and maybe no books, paper or e-!)

    • houstonray
      • GlennF

        Mueller at this point in time IS our only hope. But the scary part about that is it took a LOT more than one man to save us from tricky Dick Nixon during the Watergate scandals over forty years ago..

        It took a vigilant, no-nonsense mainstream press & media and Democratic majorities in the House and Senate to save us from Nixon. Something we don’t have either of right now to save us from Drumpf. Very scary and depressing.

        • billbear1961

          There is POWER in large and relentless PROTESTS!!

          They cannot destroy American democracy without your CONSENT!!

          Don’t give them your consent by despairing and refusing to PROTEST!!

          • GlennF

            I absolutely agree with you billbear1961.

            I apologize for sounding so pessimistic in my post, but sometimes I just have to vent by airing my worries over what’s happening with this horrible administration.

            But you’re absolutely right. It will do no good at all to despair. 🙂

      • JCF

        Sigh, watched “Force Awakens” again last night (via free premium cable this weekend). Carrie, cocaine, at YOUR age? WTF were you thinking??? 🙁

  • Cuberly Deux

    Well, Amazon Black Friday has Wonder Woman streaming in HD for 9.99. And, uh, gotta admit, it’s pretty good. What really nails it is the interplay between Gadot and Pine. The nods to Richard Donner’s Superman were wonderful easter eggs here and there. My only gripe would be the music they use is so blah! This movie really needed a John Williams brass section memorable triumphant theme and it just plain didn’t. what is it with comic book movies where they shy away from strong leitmotif?

    • Natty Enquirer

      The theme is kind of demon drummers meet Chinese opera, isn’t it? I’ll take my disco 70s theme, thank you very much.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Maybe that’s why so many of these comic book movies feel like mush to me. There’s very little atmospheric differentiation between characters and settings. ie; music themes.

    • Lazycrockett

      The director had to fight the studio to film the “No mans land” scene and not have it edited out. WB doesn’t know WTF they are doing. It was an okay movie but having watched it again the CGI heavy finale was kinda meh.

    • greenmanTN

      I liked it too. Gadot was surprisingly good and conveyed a lot with facial expressions and she and Pine had good chemistry. That she was naive and didn’t even know the extent of her own abilities but discovered them over the course of the film was a nice touch. The big ending battle/villain was a bit much (IMO) but seeing her go full berserker was kinda cool.

      Not really a DC fan in general but I ve been a WW fan since I was young gayling, running around lassoing things with gold gift wrap rope. I was Wonder BOY TYVM! 😉 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a17c8dd68cd2a25393e28485ce771e2e3ea202717faf17a660be4a00f7dec7a9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e54d75a14c1b45783f6229bf221a584c6aa73b990e5febd20ebd92b351d129dc.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38683845612a15ad78fea380efd5b18dad3a433a326307b2d56ac1aeabc9aa61.jpg

      • JCF

        Remember, for backstory* on the creation of WW, see “Professor Marston and the Wonder Women”! [DVD release sometime in January, don’t know about Netflix yet]

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r991pr4Fohk

        * Well, one take on the backstory anyway.

    • SoCalGal20

      Glad you’re enjoyed it! It really is good! Patty Jenkins also did a great job directing.

      Now fingers crossed WB dumps Brett Ratner’s ass so Gal Godot will continue as WW for the sequel.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Actually they have, and Gadot has signed on. Actually Warner Bros has dumped Ratner productions in development and plans to let ones currently in production go their way. But after that, nothing else.

        Good.

        • SoCalGal20

          Oh good! The last I had heard was Gal Godot’s refusal to do another WW film if he was still involved.

          • Cuberly Deux

            WW kicked ass at the box office and Warner Bros dropped him. Which makes me wonder if they were looking for a reason to do so.

        • Steven B

          I heard the same thing. Good riddance to bad rubbish. He had it coming. WW would approve.

    • Damn… the blu-ray is just $9. Now I’m torn between adding it to my digital library or just wait for the disc.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Is the multi-platform version just as cheap? Tried to find it but as I bought it already it won’t show up in all platforms.

        Pretty much every time they have a sale I add it to my streaming library. Much easier to watch that way. I’ve opted to switch to streaming from discs. Besides, my disc collection has gotten (ahem) a little out of hand storage wise…lol…

        • Yeah, I know what you mean. But our broadband is kinda crappy, so if a disk is significantly cheaper than buying the digital copy, I tend to go that way. Plus I don’t watch shows on my phone or tablet.

          • Cuberly Deux

            I hear ya. I’m sort of in a weird way when it comes to broadband. I bought it when it was first being rolled out in Oakland, over 15 years ago and have had two bandwidth upgrades since. The price has only gone up by $10 since then and I’ve yet to reach my Gb limit.

            Basically I was grandfathered in and chances are my neighbors are getting a bad deal in comparison.

            I think it’s the only time my early adopterism has paid off.

        • I ended up buying several sub-$10 blu-ray movies, including WW. Haven’t seen ’em that cheap in forever.

          • Cuberly Deux

            I check on Amazon vid sales at least once a month. They really do kick prices down by a lot. Sometimes out of the blue. And as I collect classics for my library heh…hey, we all need a hobby.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Oh, another streaming black Friday amazon purchase was Hell Comes to Frog Town. A B movie with a capital B. It’s BAD, big BAD. Last time I saw it at Amoeba Records it was $10 bucks, Amazon streaming had it for $7 which is about what it deserves….lol…

    • houstonray

      Oh my gosh, we literally just finished watching it (for the first time, missed it in theaters) and I came here to check the news. Agree with everything you said, loved the subtle nods to Superman. And when it was over I said to hubby the only thing I didn’t like was the music!! That sort of odd theme for her that they played during fights seemed out of place. It reminded me of music from somewhere else I’ve seen, not sure.

      Anyway, loved it, loved that it was the first action movie directed by a woman and she nailed it.

      And even though I’m a gay man, I’ve fallen in love with Wonder Woman for the SECOND time in my life. 😉

      • Cuberly Deux

        That’s what’s so sad about it though. It really was well directed and written it just lacked that oomph that a kick ass score would have brought.

    • Mikey

      I am absolutely in love with WW, it’s my favourite superhero film so far.
      And yes, that score was dreadful, and that HORRID “theme” (it first appears upon WW’s entrance in Batman vs. Superman)… oh god! And there are people out there who think it’s “brilliant” and a “masterpiece”.

      Sadly, there really are no more Hollywood composers like John Williams. The man had a monster background in composition. Now the movie studios are hiring hacks, many of whom can’t even read music (like Hans Zimmer), and certainly not ones with solid backgrounds in composition. (sorry, it’s my own field of endeavour, so I take the really bad film scores as a personal affront to all the work I put into writing my own music)

      Anyway, I’ve watched Wonder Woman at least 5 times so far, and love it more and more every time I see it.

      • Cuberly Deux

        I know it sounds like it’d be trite as fuck but a skillfully written theme with a women’s choir would have nailed a central element of Diana’s provenance. A theme anchoring her to her ancestry. They played the fish out of water thing for a long long time, and it worked. But it lacked harkoning back to the death of her mentor.

        It made me think of this snippet from Berlioz’ Te Deum, Diana’s homeland, and the protection of peace they were charged with. I’m putting too much effort into this,….lol…

        https://youtu.be/KofuM3uCEBc?t=116

        • Mikey

          hell a good composer could have actually written something very martial and strong using a women’s chorus.
          I have a mass for chorus and piano, and it comes in three versions – the standard 4-part choir, one for 4 male voices, and one for 4 female voices. (same music, just arranged slightly differently to deal with the different choral groupings)
          And let me tell you, the women’s version, when the music gets “angry”, is VERY angry, as much so as the other two versions.
          There’s this cliché about a women’s chorus being either “angelic” or the voices of “sirens” (ie: the little mermaid… not air raid).
          Listen to John Williams’ “Duel of the fates” from one of the prequel Star Wars films (don’t ask me which one.. the one with the red faced guy). There’s a huge choral part to that.. but remove the men’s voices and it would STILL be militaristic and heart-pounding. (not my favourite JW excerpt, one of his weakest, in my opinion, but the effect remains the same).

          So I TOTALLY agree with you, women’s voices would have been the perfect accompaniment to many scenes in that film.

          • Cuberly Deux

            It’s what popped out at me as I was watching it. Sort of like they didn’t want to appear to be obvious and court sexist criticism and they didn’t want to stick out too much from the other movies, at least not TOO much.

            The direction and the writing were pretty damn great. I just wish executives would GTFO of the rest of the equation.

        • JCF

          A women’s choir? Like this, maybe? 😉

          https://youtu.be/bKQ6afwdnVo?t=51s

          • Cuberly Deux

            Ditto! Strength and very much a signature sound for the character/s.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Hue-Man

    O/T Tuesday is going to be a busy day for victims of LGBT persecution – apology, draft legislation to expunge convictions, and now a settlement of the class action suit brought by civil servants and military personnel.
    Agreement in principle reached in class action alleging LGBT discrimination by Ottawa
    Plaintiffs say they were persecuted, forced out of jobs because of sexual orientation

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lgbt-discrimination-suit-1.4419780

  • Blake J Butler
    • Sam_Handwich

      i think an independent Kurdish state would have been a *slightly* better outcome of the Iraq fiasco. tho it would have also meant a big US military presence for years to come…. and would have drastically altered US relations with Turkey and Iraq. and Iran. and the Saudis.

      • Sam_Handwich

        and it was nerds like Les Gelb and John Kerry who were pushing hard for a “three state solution” in 2004. we’ll never know if it was a good idea, but i think the ISIS bullshit would have been lessened

      • Lazycrockett

        Neither the Iraqis or the Turks want an independent Kurd nation. Now that Drumpf is withdrawing support expect a lot of hurt to come to the Kurds through out the region.

        • Sam_Handwich

          Dotard, like Saddam and Miss Muffet, has Kurds in his way whey.

    • Lazycrockett

      The Kurds were the only fraction of the failed Iraq state post invasion that allied and supported the US forces. and This his how the traitor treats them.

      • billbear1961

        We cover ourselves in SHAME and make ourselves detestable to the civilized world.

      • William

        Once Trump, Putin and Erdogan are either imprisoned or otherwise ‘dealt with’, the UN should ratify and enact the Treaty of Sèvres (1920).

    • billbear1961

      The Kurds, the only group in the area interested in GENUINE and modern democracy; so, of course, the Trump regime will abandon them.

      • fuzzybits

        And people being forced to eat garbage in Syria. Just depressing and horrid.

        • billbear1961

          🙁

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Guess we know now what he was talking to Pootie about.

    • Speaking of grammar and proper punctuation, here’s someone who doesn’t understand how apostrophes are supposed to work or where they belong.

      (Not you, Blake. This tweeterer.)

    • William

      Just following Putin’s orders.

  • SoCalGal20
    • johncAtl

      Things like this are why I love living in Atlanta.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        I love that even added the period after “Fuck Trump.”
        Proper grammar with punctuation is so rare to find these days.

        • johncAtl

          Schools already don’t teach cursive handwriting anymore. Your phone will add periods and apostrophes when it thinks they’re needed so teaching grammar will be next to go.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb52b30ee73743fa398d4a8b249407767b4f12e637da083045dce679eaeb1c8c.jpg

          • fuzzybits

            I can’t stand the fact that I will handle money with his name on it.

          • johncAtl

            I know a few strippers in Atlanta that will gladly take those disgusting dollar bills off your hands. I may have gotten rid of some myself last night.

          • Snarkaholic

            You can write, “is a _______” (fill in insult of your choice) after his name, on each bill.

          • TuuxKabin

            Thank you. Will do.

          • Christopher Smith

            Teaching grammar? That ship sailed years ago. LOL

          • vorpal

            We’ll have to disagree on the cursive :-). I don’t see the point in learning it anymore and think it should be relegated to an art form to those people who are interested and actually good at it. (My cursive has always been ugly as hell.)

            Use the time instead to teach critical thinking and reason so we can avoid future generations of dotard-voting Evilgelicals.

          • johncAtl

            I’m in agreement with you. I always print except when signing my signature.

          • Priya Lynn

            I’ve got nothing against cursive writing. I print letters when I’m writing by hand because even I can’t read my own cursive writing.

    • fuzzybits

      Yay!

    • William

      Gee, when i lived in Georgia, cops were arresting people for having ‘Shit Happens’ bumper stickers on their cars.

  • Sam_Handwich

    FYI

    no live SNL tonight

    This weekend before SNL returns to live shows, the cast and crew are enjoying the rest of Thanksgiving week off by running an earlier episode of Saturday Night Live
    from this year’s Season 43 which originally aired on Saturday, October 7, 2017. The show was hosted by Israeli actor and model, and more importantly first-time host, Gal Gadot ….

    http://theinterrobang.com/hosting-saturday-night-live-tonight-november-25-2017/

    • Thanks for the info, Sam.

    • fuzzybits

      I can’t even watch ACL tonight. PBS here is doing pledge week.

  • Paul_in_Dallas

    WW: [inspecting a naked Steve Trevor] What’s that?
    ST: [peering down at his body] It’s a…uhhh… [looks back at Diana, follows her gaze, glances to his left] Oh…umm. It’s a watch.
    WW: A watch?
    ST: Yeah, it’s a watch. It tells time.

    WW: What for?
    ST: Because it tells time… when to eat, sleep, wake up, work.
    WW: [amused] You let this little thing tell you what to do?

    She’s talking about his watch, right?

    https://youtu.be/UYE8E9UiYTM?t=1m13s

    • Cuberly Deux

      lol….nope, or not really. 😉

    • greenmanTN

      Is it just me or was there a larger subtextual meaning behind the scene in Velt where Diana takes down the sniper by wiping out the entire top of a church with one blow? The church is a historical oppressor of women, Diana is not a Christian, so KABOOM!

      https://youtu.be/EFSPHMVrN6c

      • Lazycrockett

        um I really don’t think these movies work on that level.

        • Mikey

          considering the director, I wouldn’t put it past her, actually.

          • Lazycrockett

            WB isn’t going to be letting some anti christian message into its already bleeding out murderverse.

      • DoctorDJ

        Not being a comic book fan…

        I feel this minimizes the sacrifices made by those poor dumb bastards-made-into-soldiers (on both sides) fighting a hundred years ago for what their community said was “The Right.”

        But that’s just old decrepit me.

        Comments welcome…

        • greenmanTN

          I get what you’re saying, but at least in the context of the WW movie they handled that issue rather neatly by having her appear on the scene in the last year of the war, right before armistice. The war is mostly all over and her part in it is to prevent a last ditch effort by evil scientists to prolong it with a new deadly weapon. So in that sense she doesn’t “win the war” and no one’s efforts are being minimized or discounted. In fact, civililians she saves in some scenes are later killed in others so the nastiness and futility of war is not glossed over.

          In her naivety she believes that the Ares is responsible for war while men are good when not under his influence. One of the lessons she has to learn is that mankind is fallible and capable of evil all on its own but there is good in it/us too which deserves protecting.

          Purely in the comics, the WW character was created during WWII and is part of the war effort, not a goddess able to just end it on her own. Nearly every issue included a plea for everyone, particularly women, to empower themselves and do their part. A plea to buy war bonds, collect things for recycling, etc for the war effort was a part of every issue too. It was nothing less than well intentioned propaganda to get women and girls, in the era of Rosie The Riveter, to see themselves as capable and strong, to confront and leave abusers, and to find their own inner power. It would be interesting to know how women and girls of the time received it, but so far as I know there is little or nothing written about that.

          After the war Wonder Woman herself was stripped of her decisiveness, power and agency (the creator of the comic was dead by then), just as women were urged/forced to leave the workplace because the men were returning home. It’s an interesting sociological phenomenon/artifact.

          • Lazycrockett

            Well the one think JL confirms is Batman is a complete fucking asshole.

      • JCF

        Ah, maybe that’s why I cringed at that scene (though I know it was—primarily—the historic preservationist in me).

        …but I tend to doubt that was the intent. Just about all war movies set in 20th Europe have a “church tower scene” of some sort: they’re simply a small town’s high point, and usually are used as a sniper’s nest. [IIRC, “Saving Private Ryan”? Probably also in “Band of Brothers”]

  • fuzzybits
    • safari

      Is that mistletoe?

      • johncAtl

        Oh my. I hope not. Kissing under the mistletoe????

      • fuzzybits

        Yep.

    • Blake J Butler

      I wasn’t that good at math, but good at putting two and two together, i can only guess where the mistletoe was pointing under to be kissed.

    • Well, I gotta give cred for the sense of humor.

      It’s also a basic truism of overweight older men: As they age, their pants waist either migrates down to their knees or up to their man-boobs.

      • fuzzybits

        And wearing sweat pants until they fall apart.

      • Treant

        It’s a truism of older men in general; we begin to lose our waists around age 70.

        At that age, I plan on switching to Y-suspenders and investing in a few interesting pins to attach to them.

        • fuzzybits

          One thing I’ve always noticed is there are a lot of good looking beefy men but their behinds are as flat as a ironing board.

          • Treant

            Yeah, the ass goes as we age, too. 🙂

          • fuzzybits

            I’ve seen younger men like that too.

        • greenmanTN

          You, or at least I, didn’t used to see many genital piercings on younger men, mainly older, so I always assumed that as the naughty bits lost some of their functionality the thinking went “It’s not working as well as it used to, so here’s an idea, I’ll decorate it like an Xmas tree!”

          • Treant

            I’ve actually never been with a man who had a piercing Down There. Maybe it’s regional?

            Besides, they’re just trying to bling it up a little. I mean, you’ve looked at it for X years, it must get boring, right? Right?

          • Ninja0980

            I don’t even want to think about that.
            Next to having a naked woman in a porn scene, biggest killer for me is that.
            Anyone who does that is insane, period.

          • Treant

            I can’t say I’d mind a simple stud, but some of the equipment I’ve seen pictures of? No thank you.

          • Ninja0980

            Lukas Ridgeston could walk in my door tomorrow and if that was on his dick, see ya!

          • johncAtl

            Well, he’s uncut and it seems like a piercing would be awkward in that case. Or maybe it keeps it aroused all the time. I don’t know. I just know it’s a turnoff for me.

          • Ninja0980

            Same here.
            All I know is I don’t want to taste anything metallic.

          • fuzzybits

            Never south of the border. I had piercings but they were removed a long time ago

          • JCF

            “a naked woman in a porn scene, biggest killer”

            The POWER of the PUSSY!!!! “Fear Me!”

        • Talisman

          Waists are a thing?

    • johncAtl

      I was going to post a “palate cleanser,” but after Googling ‘cute male naked butts” I’ll be busy for the next few hours.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Wow, you really make a moment last.

  • boobert

    I feel like a school girl. I was at the pizza parlor waiting for my pie, and a hot dilf was playing games with his little girl while giving me the eye ! Hubby was waiting in the car and saw the whole thing and asked if that guy was cruising. I said it’s been so long that I wasn’t sure, lol.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      But how was the pizza!!??

      • boobert

        GOOD !

      • Treant

        Hot, thick, and beefy.

      • JCF

        And did come from a pedophile basement?????? :-0

    • fuzzybits

      How cheesy. 😛

  • SoCalGal20

    A good segment from AM Joy this morning. Malcolm nance, Sarah Kendzior, and Paul Butler taling about Flynn, Kushner, and Manafort development in the Mueller investigation.

    https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/934576148415119361

    • Steven B

      Damn, I missed that. Thanks for the link

      • Lazycrockett

        They repeat the second hour later in the day, but never the 1st hour which I find more informative and newsy.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Hah. I’d been wondering how they make the editing decisions for the later show, and… now I know I’ve really been overthinking things.

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  • Ninja0980

    Just got a text from my cousin.
    She told off her former homocon friend and his equally brainless hubby to be but good.
    So proud of her:)

    • Treant

      Does she need ten pounds of lye? I can also supply slaked lime upon request.

      • Ninja0980

        She’s good.
        The homocon likely needed a change of underwear though.

        • Treant

          Bone saws are expensive. A Fiskars folding saw can do the same job for a fraction of the price and the police won’t think much of the purchase.

          • Ninja0980

            Love how your mind works.

          • Treant

            Fast, macabre, and out of control.

      • johncAtl

        I said it before. That beautiful garden you have is holding some secrets.

        And just to be clear my name isn’t John, and I don’t live in Atlanta. In fact I’ve never even been there. And I never plan to visit.

        • Treant

          You are a ghost.

          Well, not yet, but by the time I’m done with you?

          🙂

          • johncAtl

            Well, at least I now know what happened to Bil Perdue.

          • Ninja0980

            SHHHHH.
            Don’t ever say that name, even with the block function.

          • Paul

            Oh BP is still around. I suspect they’ve switched persona since Clinton lost.

          • Treant

            Honey, some compost is so toxic that even I won’t touch it.

            That’s true of the city compost, which includes chemically-killed plants, and Bill Per…oops, that was almost said twice. Third time and he shows up, like Biggie Smalls.

          • greenmanTN

            You know, “Whatever Happened To Aunt Alice” wasn’t supposed to be a tutorial!

          • Treant

            Look, I cannot possibly be the only person who considers “bone spurs” to be the things that the saw gets caught on.

          • greenmanTN

            Though the liberals in “The Last Supper” did have an interesting way of fertilizing their tomatoes…

            https://youtu.be/jNPSHydODoI

          • Treant

            Oh, no. Growing tomatoes there will cause an issue as the carbon is unable to fix. Fresh bodies should be composted above-ground.

            They’re probably counting on the nitrogen release from blood and flesh, but that’s unreliable, and tomatoes are not extremely heavy feeders at any time in the growth cycle. Without pulverization and hydrolysis, bone won’t decay fast enough to release much phosphorus quickly, and potassium is not a major component of the human body at 0.4%.

            I cannot recommend the use of human bodies as fertilizer for tomatoes, although dahlia should like them rather well.

          • yes b’y

            and you do grow the most beautiful dahlia. http://media1.giphy.com/media/l0ExfNW7JGrk9lezC/giphy.gif

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Bill Roundup.

          • Treant

            It’ll do, since Bill 2,4,5-T is just unwieldy.

  • SoCalGal20
  • Picabo
  • Steven B
  • SoCalGal20
    • Treant

      Yep, they may come for the gender-nonconforming first, but the intelligent and educated are always on the list. Those people might be dangerous if they get off their asses and make a plan.

      • Anybody Muslim = already targeted for violence by the fascists
        Anybody who looks Muslim (i.e., not European white) = already targeted for violence
        Anybody the morons think is a Muslim (like Sikhs) = already targeted for violence
        Mexicans, Hispanics and Latinos = already targeted for harassment and deportation
        Anybody non-white = Liable at any random time to receive a screaming verbal harassment tirade from free range racist bigots
        African Americans = already targeted for police harassment & random executions
        Women who speak up or accuse powerful men = targeted for rape & death threats
        Surviving victims and families of victims of mass shootings who speak up = targeted for doxxing, harassment and death threats

        Professional journalists = Currently under attack
        Dem candidates for office = Routinely receiving death threats now

        The list is already happening. Gender non-confirming and gay people are on the upcoming Still To Do list for the fascists.

      • Talisman

        This is an issue I face every time I go to see my parents, especially from my father. There’s this weird mixture of pride and anger about the fact that I went to college. On one hand, he’s proud of my degree, but on the other, it always comes down to being indoctrinated into liberalism, or being accused of thinking I’m better than my family.

        On my part, there is a strange dichotomy. Because, in part, I do feel like I am better than them, because I think for myself and don’t let fear, anger, and hatred rule my outlook. On the other hand, I am still the person raised in a small town and still know what it’s like to be desperate, angry, and helpless because your best just doesn’t seem to be good enough.

        • JCF

          Very well-said, Talisman. I think you should write about this more! [As in, publish an essay somewhere about just this dilemma]

        • HomerTh

          My father told me, after I got my MA, “Now you can come home and go to work in the pie factory with your brother in law.” My father hated education.

      • JCF

        I think it’s less a focus on who they target, than the dismantling of DEMOCRACY generally. Remember, they bank on the fact that their base won’t care if EVERYBODY loses the vote…and I think that’s their real goal. If you haven’t read this, you MUST: this is ALL of our futures, w/ the Bannonites (well-funded) authoritarian tendencies, and the Drumpf-packed courts. From here on out, EVERY time you vote, Could.Be.Your.Last.

        http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016/

  • Ninja0980

    Have to chime in on the NY Times story today.
    If you had seen how they downplayed the opposition to marriage equality here in NY, this article would be nothing.
    Why I quit subscribing to them a long time ago.

    • SoCalGal20

      There’s much better journalism being done by other publications.

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed, and ones that are run by people that get don’t get ticked if they are called out on anything.

    • johncAtl

      Damn. I did a digital subscription after the election since they were pissing off Trump. Should I cancel before it renews?

      • Ninja0980

        Yes.

      • SoCalGal20

        Yes. Give to the Guardian or WaPo or The Atlantic or some other worthy publication instead.

        • johncAtl

          I do Guardian and WaPo also. Guardian is a very reasonable price, and I think they do a great job – especially with major breaking news. I like the editorials in the WaPo and with Amazon Prime it was reasonable also. I’ll check out The Atlantic.

          • SoCalGal20

            Atlantic is 24.50 per year for digital OR print. The combo is slightly more. Mother Jones is another one that has been doing some great work. I have my WaPo subscription. I’m going to get subsciptions to the others.

        • SoCalGal20

          For example, here is a piece Mother Jones published in Sept. 2016 about all the Nazis and white supremecists who supported Trump.

          https://twitter.com/markfollman/status/934650350899904512

      • Lumpy Gaga

        We sub to the Guardian and are very happy. Used to sub to McClatchy, but handling the account was more trouble than it was worth. Lost our TImes sub in a crossed signal and let it go.

      • Ernest Endevor

        The Times remains the paper of record in the US. I subscribe to the Washington Post but there’s something provincial about the writing. We have a Times online subscription. I can only read so much about Trump on any given day and I find te outrage to be turned up a bit too high at Mother Jones or the Atlantic. The best political writing in the US is still to be found at the New York Review of Books.

      • TuuxKabin

        Up to you. But I never go to their site any more. The Atlantic on line and magazine are good. On line articles daily.

  • SoCalGal20

    OH SNAP. The Atlantic responded to that atrocious NYT Nazi fluff piece. The Atlantic has been on a tear lately. Give them money if you’re looking to support good journalism.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/546737/

    • Lazycrockett

      I saw a tweet in my feed earlier that talked bout how MSM and especially some print aren’t understanding or don’t care that our democracy is on a cliff bout to fall into the obese.

      • greenmanTN

        Sorry. I am generally not someone who corrects spelling/grammar, but “fall into the obese” is hilarious! 🤣

        I just get this picture….

        Probably just an autocorrect thing, but abyss.

        • TuuxKabin

          Well President Obama’s successor’s ass and belly appear to have fallen into the obese.

  • boobert

    I have no idea what magapill is, but if the moron recommends it , it must be pretty lame. I’m not taking the bait and clicking, and I hope no one else does.

    • I looked at the twitter feed and immediately insta-blocked.

  • Lazycrockett

    https://twitter.com/DebbiAlmontaser/status/934600700058918912

    I know this was posted earlier but since the Cops cant arrest anyone cause its not a crime get ready for a tweet storm tomorrow.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Do they own the building? If they do then I hope they keep it up every night!

  • BeaverTales
    • gaycuckhubby

      I don’t know what to say. Truely.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Skimming through one of the stories, it is very odd to want to be a Ken Doll then decide to be a woman when older. I do agree there’s body dysmorphic syndrome going on whether or not one considers him trans.

      I really think that plastic surgeons should be held not to operate on someone who won’t be satisfied with the result no matter what.

      • BeaverTales

        Plastic surgery procedures are getting cheaper and the risks people are taking are getting more dangerous. I wonder if society should be imposing limits on this….but then I worry about a slippery slope.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          IIRC, Kanye’s mother died after having done multiple procedures at once a few years back. I’d be OK with a law that limited multiple cosmetic procedures at once.

          http://www.mtv.com/news/1579429/donda-west-kanyes-mother-died-of-heart-attack-coroners-report/

          “The coroner’s office had been investigating possible complications from a cosmetic-surgery procedure that had been performed on her. West — who was the former chairwoman of Chicago State University’s English department — had a November 9 operation involving breast reduction, abdominoplasty (commonly referred to as a “tummy tuck”) and liposuction. In its preliminary autopsy report, the coroner’s office suggested West may have died “as a result of surgery or anesthesia.” At the time of West’s passing, a spokesperson for her family said she died “as the result of complications from a cosmetic surgical procedure.”

    • Dayglo

      Perpetually unhappy in his own skin.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I always think to myself, “You only have so much face to work with. And you’ll almost never be able to reset your face to its original state.”

    • William

      Careful. people will think Leona Helmsely has returned.

  • Lazycrockett

    Totally OT. How and when did Dorothy, Rose and Blanche become friends?

    • gaycuckhubby

      They became roomates before they became friends.

      • Lazycrockett

        really? damn thats lame.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I think Dorothy and Rose moved in to Blanches house right as season 1 started… I believe

    • Talisman

      Season 01, Episode 25 (the first season finale). It’s a flashback episode that shows how the three met, but there is no indication on how long they had been living together before the show started. At least long enough to be comfortable with each other.

    • Gianni

      Blanche posted a “Room For Rent” or “Roommate Wanted” sign on the bulletin board at the local supermarket. As far as I recall, Dorothy and Rose both wanted to rent a room.

    • Treant

      I think they threw a party. Iiiiiinvited everyone they knew. And Blanche would see the biggest gifts were from those three…so that’s why they became roommates. 🙂

      Seriously. Blanche met Rose at the grocery’s posterboard when Rose had rescued a kitten outside the store. She liked what she saw and invited Rose to move in.

      Sophia arrived when the Home “burned down.” We did find out that Sophia’s hot plate caused the issue later, or so we think.

      I’m not sure how Dorothy got there.

    • Did you know, in real life, Betty White and Bea Authur did NOT get along.

  • Dayglo

    Okay, I really want this for Xmas. Go to Amazon UK and get me the limited edition “Tom of Finland” blu-ray (it plays in any region). It’s got bonus extras, documentaries, poster etc and it’s only about 23 bucks. I hope the movie doesn’t suck.
    Or I’ll settle for a Sock Slider.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/524cf54d80ba60c7c46618c8e92104a2085da445f734969ba3563b9eaeab9425.jpg

  • Cuberly Deux
  • JimmyTheGreek

    the day is young yet

  • Gerald Parks

    Suprise …suprise …suprise!
    Liars…lie!!!!
    Who could see THAT coming???
    Willful ignorance is not BLISSful …just plain stupid!
    He KNOWS that the “stupid” is strong in his base!
    Nuff said!

  • safari
    • JCF

      Are these from that MAGAPill site?

  • Sam_Handwich
    • whollyfool

      Seth Abramson has some pretty interesting/devastating research on his Twitter. Worth a look.
      .

  • Boreal
  • AJ Drew

    Argh. Dogs let me sleep in (5:30am) then let me nap a bit after their breakfast, and life felt great! But, aww no, awoken by dog barf, need to clean that, and now JMG still has that Dotard post up. And then I quickly caught up on the news. grrr.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ceac44722452f1d4a4bda72438099e6b1fafc6aa4653818c2b1e8094f061180e.jpg

    • Max_1

      No one said life was fair…

      • AJ Drew

        And WHY are bots trying to follow me? (3 this morning, all x’d.)

    • TuuxKabin

      Great segment on “The Splendid Table” this morning about cookies. They convey closeness. They’re always shared, well most of the time. Even the word, ‘cookie’ raises our joy level a bit. How dastardly of life in that cartoon. Glad you got some extra snooze time, always a good thing. Not so much the other bit.

    • JCF

      Should be more accurate labelled “(Re)Thug Life” (except there’s no initial cookie w/ them).

      Life can be unfair. But, IMHO, just about every unfairness in Life is currently be savagely exaggerated by the Rethug “I got mine, SCREW YOU (especially the less you look, pee, boink, worship, or sound like me)”. For example: “Does your disease disproportionately NOT affect people like me? Too bad/so sad, FOAD!”

  • A) He’s lying; B) He has dementia; C) He’s lying to give the illusion of dementia. Is there another option?

    • AJ Drew

      Yes. He grew up as an entitled jerk, and he’s not really displaying any new behaviors that aren’t out of character for him. Anyone paying the least bit of attention for the past 20 years knows it, and anyone who voted for him has directly supported the ugliest part of the human psyche and everything that America truly does NOT stand for.

      • Oh, I agree, he’s been vile for decades. But there seems to be a downward slide in coherence, an increase in the number of and obviousness of his lies, and a dramatic shrinkage of his extemporaneous vocabulary. I mean, the man said “water job” and “water dump” when groping for “rain with hurricane.” He can be both an asshole and losing his marbles, can’t he?

        • Ernest Endevor

          I think he’s bonkers. Call it what you will he’s clearly deranged. To my mind, the historical figure he’s closest to is Nero.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Not Caligula?

          • Ernest Endevor

            I think of Caligula as having been out-of-the-gate foaming at the mouth insane, Nero held promise. There was a certain amount of guarded optimism when he became emperor due to his promise to MRGA. Strengthen the walls to Ostia to keep out Phoenicians! Plus, he had the best people; Seneca was his tutor. Everyone said, oh great, that’ll keep his ‘exuberance’ (ahem) in check. Till Seneca turned out to be a total loser who wouldn’t let Nero sing his compositions in public. Not unlike Kelly and you-know-who’s tweets. So Nero ordered his suicide, and then there was the whole purge thing that was not popular, then some Christian asshole dropped a match and half the city burned, but that worked out for the bet cause then Nero could appropriate the land and finally build a decent house. The theme was gold, and it was yooge! Atlantic City yooge. Still, it ended in squalor, suicide, and death, so it’s not all bad news. And through it all his base still believed the MRGA crap. Even after he was dead they believed he was merely asleep and that any day he’d come back to complete his agenda.

        • AJ Drew

          His change in speaking patterns is well documented, but I’m truly not sure it indicates dementia. I’m more concerned that “America” voted for him at all. Yes, he lost the popular vote, and the EC failed it’s ONE job, etc, but still… all of that only came about because so many actually voted for him, which I find more troubling.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Totally agree. And with Moore possibly (probably) becoming a Senator we are sinking even lower

    • JCF

      Can there be a D) All of the Above? [Not impossible, I think]

  • Leo
  • Richard B

    Simply stated, Donald Trump lies so freely, years afterwards, in the blur of it all, he can’t tells the lies from the truth. I assume the psychiatrists have a name for this… When he goes on trial for treason, you can bet his defense lawyers will try to use his madness as a defense.
    Quite a big difference in qualifications from the guy who was the editor of the Harvard Law Review and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, don’t you think???..
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/626029c2a7b7b72fe2ef2d1d62252a8ba6e9c2752b79ea7b1eda8016e050531d.png

  • kladinvt

    Maybe Fundies would “care”, if Cheetos had hit on a drag queen?

  • SoCalGal20

    Oh no. I need a chinchilla. Look how adorable!

    https://twitter.com/animalsgalore/status/934777365200334848

    • gaycuckhubby

      I want!

    • JCF

      The tiny hands seem disturbingly familiar though.

  • AJ Drew

    OK, so even if the dogs seem to be ok with a bit of schedule change…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ae940d59e669db0e8dbdf0f692338cbdc073e7e080ae4ab883d45e876f10473.jpg

  • gaycuckhubby

    OT… do any of you have any Sunday spiritual traditions? Church, meditation, brunch?
    Mine is reading Walt Whitman in an effort to love the world and people and myself as is, warts and all.

    • OdieDenCO

      my Sunday is devoted to the goddess Hygieia. worship starts with the interpretive dance of the feather duster.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Cleanliness is next to….

      • AJ Drew

        lolz. Apropos of nothing, that somehow reminded me of when I had a female friend living with me who was from a very conservative family, and they asked her: “What’s it like living with a gay guy?” Her answer was, “Well, other than dancing naked to Abba every night, we don’t interact much.” lolz, love her forever.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I miss my female roommates from my early 20s!

    • djcoastermark

      A pot of coffee and a nice long reading of the Sunday Paper. Been doing that every Sunday since I was a teen.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I like your style!

      • JCF

        I love trees. I mean, I SERIOUSLY Love Trees. They are my own personal healing angels, when I’m amidst them.

        That said, I hope they’ll understand I need (a few of) their sacrifice, for my Sunday PAPER. For this, I accept no screen-based substitutes!

        • Ann Kah

          Since I just lost half my backyard woods to the tornado, I went out and dragged the grandson along to dig holes and plant bulbs. I’ve ordered ten pounds of mixed wildflower seeds for all that area that will now see sunshine for the first time in forty years.

    • Before our boys grew up and moved out of the house, every Sunday featured a breakfast of slow foods, french toasts, sausage and fried apples. Then a nice romp with the “funny papers”. Depending upon the season it was outside to play in the woods right out side our house, or it was snuggling up with Pops while he watched football.
      Sadly, now that the boys are all grown, and hubby has retired the days have lost their shape as individuals, and each day is pretty much like another. We need to figure out how to get a shape back into our week.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Your boys are lucky! Sounds like a great home life/parents 🙂

        • Thanks! We both grew up with stress filled homes with an abusive parent. So, we worked hard to raise our children in a peaceful home, with love and respect. We must have done an ok job of it as they are all happy well rounded adults.

    • JCF

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c0a757ffaab8efefb58c22e506e7f36b29be2ca975b21344c68fd280e658811.jpg

      St. Michael’s Episcopal Church
      2140 Mission Avenue | Carmichael, CA 95608
      http://www.stmichaelscarmichael.org/

      Sunday Eucharist at 8AM, 10AM and 5PM (I sing w/ the choir @ 10)

      JCF sez…Y’all’s Welcome!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/057e68e0fe9297e81155248d34c5c4e7c5df8ecbae855a1aa270f7d05c25ce03.jpg

    • Ann Kah

      Sunday is the night I take out the trash for Monday pickup. That’s as spiritual as it gets around here.

  • SoCalGal20

    Trump deals are still being found in the Panama Papers. NY Daily News reported on a possible money laundering deal the other day.

    https://twitter.com/therynheart/status/934199483516227585

    • Trump went from failing at being a real estate developer and casino owner to a terrific money laundress.

      • MassageBear

        After reviewing his financial statements, there’s a reason the Nevada Gaming Commission refused his request to open casinos in their state.

    • JCF
  • AJ Drew

    New Post… oh, more DT nastiness, of course.

  • sword

    You can’t believe anything Our Glorious Leader says: He’s worth $10 billion, he never raped/abused anyone, he didn’t collude with the Russians, he didn’t engage in money laundering for Russians, he never said anything on the Access Hollywood tape, his inauguration was the the biggliest ever, the Tiki Torch marchers were just common folk protesting statue abuse, etc. etc. etc.

  • MassageBear
  • aagold76 .

    Has anyone in the media bothered to contact Billy Bush and ask him if it’s fake? This may be a chance for him to redeem himself some- telling the truth and confirming it’s real.

    • Gianni

      It’s the first thing I asked myself. We haven’t heard a peep out of the boy.

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