Guest Post: Ali Forney Center Founder Carl Siciliano

From Joe: Beloved readers, on this Thanksgiving Day, as on every other day of the year, uncountable LGBT kids are living on the streets, turned out by the very people who are supposed to love them. As we do every Thanksgiving, today we turn JMG over to Ali Forney Center founder Carl Siciliano. Please click and read his message below….

Ali Forney was murdered 20 years ago; Ali was shot in the head at 3 am, during a cold night in the first week of December, while enduring homelessness on the streets of New York City.

I met Ali exactly three years earlier, on a December day in 1994, my first day as the director of a Times Square drop-in center for homeless youth.

Ali was a remarkable person. Ali was 19 when we met and had been homeless since the age of 13. Ali was very effeminate and Ali’s mother and had not known how to cope with all the abuse Ali’s queerness brought upon Ali and the family. Today, I imagine Ali — who during various times of a given day self-presented as male or female — would be described as gender non-conforming, but the language to describe variations in gender identity was less evolved in those days.

But what truly revealed Ali’s remarkableness to me was the greatness of Ali’s heart.

Ali, like many homeless LGBT youths, survived through sex work. Ali possessed a fierce determination to protect the other street youths who felt they had no choice to survive but through selling their bodies. Those were the days when HIV infection was a death sentence. Ali was famous for filling a knapsack with hundreds of the condoms we distributed from our drop-in center and distributing them nightly to the scores of homeless queer kids working the streets, imploring them to protect themselves.

I’ll never forget Ali’s immediate instinct to protect the other homeless kids. I remember an afternoon in 1997 when our drop-in center was putting on a talent show in the auditorium of BMCC college, down on Chambers Street. We pulled up in a minivan, and my heart sank as I surveyed the situation. There were about eight of us in the van, me and another staff person, and a half dozen kids. Our youths were all street homeless — those were the days before there was anywhere safe for a homeless queer kid to sleep in NYC without the constant threat of gay-bashing, and youths who sleep in the streets often look unkempt.

It must have been lunch break for the school, and hundreds of well-dressed students lined the long sidewalk we had to walk up in order to reach the auditorium. Looking at the many students, and then at our raggedy youths, some of them obviously LGBT, I felt a great deal of anxiety over what was about to transpire. I feared the students would mock and humiliate our kids, maybe even threaten them. I decided to unleash my inner Tony Soprano; I flexed my muscles and began to walk in front of the kids with a look on my face that said “If you want to come for them you have to come through me.”

Ali took stock of the situation as well. Seeing my anxiety, Ali immediately pushed me aside and walked at the head of our group. Though “walked” doesn’t do justice: Ali, who was wearing these big supermodel sunglasses, thigh-high leather boots, and a big afro wig, sashayed up that sidewalk like it was the only runway. It was a pure weaponization of fabulousness; all the students were so busy gagging at the spectacle of Ali that they took no notice of the rest of the kids. We all meekly followed Ali into the auditorium.

The goodness of Ali’s heart manifested itself in the sense of family Ali was able to create among us. Ali’s heart was at once tender and strong. What most illustrates that strength was Ali’s ferocious dedication to the human value of the other queer street kids in a time when almost nobody treated them as having any worth. In the mid-90’s when Times Square was “cleaned up,” the homeless street kids were pushed out by aggressive policing. This put the LGBT kids, especially the transgender youths, at great risk as they were forced to survive in neighborhoods that were vastly more dangerous for them. In October of 1996, Dion Webster was murdered in Harlem, and in April of 1997, Kiki Freeman was killed in the South Bronx. Both were homeless transgender women, and both were dear friends of Ali’s.

When their murders went uninvestigated, Ali refused to accept that those women should be treated with such contempt. Ali went to the police precincts were the killings occurred, and demanded that investigations be conducted. To this day I remain in awe of the courage it took for Ali, in full effeminate gender-bending glory, to stare down that contempt in those rough and tumble precinct stations.

The last time I saw Ali was about a week after Thanksgiving in 1997. I had worked late at the drop-in center, and finally, around 11pm, went to take the subway home. The subway station was deserted, except for Ali, who was sitting at a bench. I joined Ali, who I learned was waiting for a “date”. We sat together for five or ten minutes. I said I was sad Ali hadn’t joined us at Thanksgiving (it was the first Thanksgiving in three years I hadn’t been with Ali), and said I hoped we’d be together at Christmas. Ali was strangely subdued that night; usually Ali gave forth a great deal of exuberance, but this evening Ali seemed lost and sad. 

Finally the train came and I boarded it. I turned around, and as the train pulled out of the station, I saw Ali waving goodbye. That was my final sight of Ali.

On Monday December 5th, when I arrived at the drop-in center, one of my co-workers came into my office and told me that we had just received a call from Harlem hospital. Ali was there, dead. Ali had been found on a sidewalk, shot point blank in the head. The only way they knew Ali’s identity was from an ID card given by our center. 

Two of our staff had just gone to the hospital, to verify it was Ali. To their shock, while they were standing by Ali’s dead body, Ali’s mother and sister arrived. Ali had told us their parents were dead. Ali was pretty shameless; Ali had no qualms about admitting to doing sex work or about being addicted to crack. But Ali could not admit to the shame of being left out in the streets, unwanted, by living parents.

What was most unbearable to me was the realization that Ali, who had such a strong sense of family and community, died alone on a frigid Harlem sidewalk. Nobody was at Ali’s side in those final moments but the person who put the gun to Ali’s head.

I was completely devastated. I loved Ali. I admired Ali. It was a brutal thing to work with homeless kids in those days before there was an Ali Forney Center. Without having safe housing to offer the young people, no matter how hard we tried to protect them, most of the kids were becoming more and more damaged. They became addicted to drugs. They got infected with HIV. They were in and out of prison. And every few months someone was murdered. Ali’s goodness, Ali’s loving heart, the sense of family Ali created: they gave me hope and strength to carry on in the midst of all the horrors. When Ali was gone I thought I was going to fall apart. I was seriously tempted to give up on the work; it all just seemed too painful.

But I ended up deciding the only way I could make sense of Ali’s death was to fight to protect the other abandoned young people cast out in the streets. 

When I had pulled together a dedicated group of people to create a housing program for homeless LGBT youths, and when we had assembled the resources to begin to offer shelter, it was a no-brainer for me that our endeavor should be named after Ali. For Ali saw the human value in other homeless LGBT youths in a time when few others did. Ali had a relentless drive to protect the other young people. Ali had a loving heart. Those were the values I hoped we would embody.

For months after Ali was murdered, I couldn’t ride the subway without crying, remembering the last place I saw Ali on this earth. So much for my butch image. To be honest, twenty years later I still feel like my heart is surrounded by scar tissue from Ali’s loss. But it has been a truly redemptive thing to house and protect so many rejected LGBT youths in Ali’s name. Over 10,000 youths, from all across the country and all over the world,  have found refuge, healing, safety and acceptance in our programs. 

I wish the need for our services was beginning to slow down. It is such an awful thing to see young people denied the love of parents and thrown to the streets. But in these ugly times, when the worst kinds of human bigotry and ignorance are exalted by our nation’s leader, the need for our help has surged. Last year more than 1,400 youths showed up at our doors; an increase of almost 20% over the year before. More kids than ever are showing up from the Southern states; they are coming to us at younger ages, and many have been psychologically tortured in bible camps and through reparation therapy. We struggle to meet the growing demand.

I am deeply grateful to the Joe.My.God community for standing by our side for past ten years, and I love Joe for all his goodness to us, and for giving me the platform of his blog every Thanksgiving to ask for your help. An enormous number of kids have been able to come out of the cold because of Joe and all of you who have been so generous.

For anyone willing to help, donations can be made online via credit card or PayPal.

Or they can be mailed to:

Ali Forney Center
224 West 35th Street, 15th Floor
New York, NY 10001

For information about our audited financials and how our donations are spent, go here.

I thank each of you again and I wish you a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Carl Siciliano

  • gaycuckhubby

    Thank you.
    I don’t know what else to say. Thank you!

  • Dayglo

    Wow. Life can be so hard for queer kids. Just wow. Thank you for AFC.

  • JoeMyGod

    If you’re inclined to send a non-cash gift, there’s an Ali Forney Center wish list on Amazon: socks, underwear, fast food gift cards, hand warmers for cold nights on the street, and much more: https://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/?ie=UTF8&cid=A2EGX0ORMTYRQM

    • djcoastermark

      Hubs and I have done this several times in the past year. Also, another good thing to remember is Amazon Smile, where you can designate a group that will receive .5 % of your purchase amount on Amazon. Ali Forney center is on the list.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Great tip. Thx

      • Ernest Endevor

        Didn’t know that. Thanks.

      • John30013

        Yep, mine too.

      • Scott Carpenter

        I just changed mine.

  • skyweaver

    I cry every time I read this. Thank you, Carl, for what you do to remind these kids they aren’t alone

    • TheManicMechanic

      Me too. Even my stealthy Onion Ninjas come out of hiding and sit beside me as we read those certain yearly posts from Joe, passing the tissues around.

  • Mrs. Councillor Nugent
    • Bluto

      Cheers to Bea!

  • JT
    • Sam_Handwich

      mmmm pie

      • Amanda B. Rekendwith
        • TuuxKabin

          Thank you, you two! Thank you Carl, staff & supporters. Thank you Joe & all commentater tots. May there always be room at the table.

          • Joe in PA

            Hey, how is the new kitty?

          • TuuxKabin

            You had to ask . . . she and el hubcap are under lockdown next door. She woke us with a bim, bam, boom crash, glass breaking.

            I usually enjoy the sound of breaking glass.

            The window box I have the rosemary, lemon geranium and lavender in, that I use for tinctures some how, either fainted, or just fell over.

            El hubcap, moaned, pulled the covers over his head and I got up to check the damage done. It’s done.

            But she’s fine. Quick trip to the vet yesterday to check have her checked since she hadn’t, you should pardon the expression, poo’d since she came here on Sunday. Treatment was free because she’s within the free two week treatment program/agreement with the ASPCA. What was saved there was spent in the $65 cab fare round trip. The balloons at CPW, all you could see above the grid locked traffic were the fuckin’ balloons.

            Hope you’re having a good day. I just freed the two of them and we’re about to have breakfast.

            Provecho!

          • Dazzer

            I Love the Sound of Breaking Glass, too
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rroq-UvT-6M

          • TuuxKabin

            Eggszactly! Thank you. I was trying to remember where I got that. Plus, Grace Jones’ Warm Leatherette, “hear the breaking glass, in the underpass.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp5eCxlDWHo

          • Dazzer

            In the year after I finished school and before I went to university, I worked in a stair-edgings factory where that album was played continuously. It took me years after that to learn to love Grace Jones.

            Trivia about Nick Lowe: After David Bowie released an album called Low, Nick responded to this egregious misspelling of his surname by releasing an EP called Bowi.

          • TuuxKabin

            Good work, stair edging, help prevent falls.

            I know what you mean. To this day, as much as I’m one of the high priestesses of her cult, it’s only doses of her, but she always thrills. Her accent!

            Yeah. I remember a music fan/friend explained that Low/Bowi exchange.

            Things are good in Jolly Ol’? Hope so. Especially for you and our other ‘tot’, McSorley. He’s in Scotland or Wales?

            Cheers Dazzer! Always a pleasure.

          • Dazzer

            It’s cold, dank and miserably grey in the UK at the moment.

            Even the boys across the way in the hand car wash (who all look like East European gay porn models) can’t raise the temperature of the day.

            If your weather is better than it is here, you’ve probably picked a good time to have a Thanksgiving that you’re not here.

          • JT
          • TuuxKabin

            Damn is/was he a lookah! Such an Aztec nose! Thanks.

          • edrex

            you think your morning’s tough? i just got up after my visiting in-laws, who made a full pot of WEAK coffee. now i have to politely drink it. i’m just being punchy, of course. hope you, hubcap and kitten have a lovely day.

          • TuuxKabin

            We’ve moved beyond it. After all, as hubcap said, “she’s a cat.” And I’ll leave it at that. Just got her Sunday. It’s as if she’s always been here. Do you have something to add to that weak coffee? Provecho!

          • edrex

            yeah. they wandered away from the kitchen and i poured it out and made a proper (edrex strength) pot. i need to be alert to make a carrot souffle.

          • TuuxKabin

            You have your stash of dark chocolate, sure. That would help. Carrot souffle. Hmmmmm. Delicata, baby porto’shrooms casserole is our veggie dish, and duck, for four.

          • edrex

            ha! brother in law just asked if the coffe was strong enough and husband blurted out that i took care of it. and yes, i just downed a handful of dark choco covered almonds as my breakfast. i’m jealous of your menu. duck is my absolute favorite. i roast one or two every xmas. our dear friends are hosting a good sized group at their good sized table later today (i will be surrounded by no fewer than five political scientists, a journalist and a shrink.) luckily, we all drink well together ( and genuinely love one another). also everyone likes to cook real food. this is always.a.good holiday for us and generates much needed gratitude. i’ll add that i’m thankful for making your online acquaintance this year. and for my virtual jmg family. cheers.

          • Joe in PA

            Kitties will be kitties. 🙂 Hey, that $65 cab is way better than car payments, garage, insurance, depreciation. 🙂 But more importantly kitty is ok.

            We have a visiting cat, he doesn’t get along with our cat so our cat has to stay outside. 🙁 AND, that lousy visiting cat got on the dining table after I painstakingly made these table thingies out of miscanthus plumes. Well, apparently “plumes” are like catnip. They were all over the table this am. Grrr.

            Ain’t cats great? 🙂

            xoxo

            Joe

          • TuuxKabin

            Well . . . can be . . . often our very own home entertainment center. Yeah. Very grateful for no car. No TV. Apartments are paid for. And time to enjoy one another with Bellona. Never thought we’d be parents again. Glad it happened.

          • Joe in PA

            Apartment[s] are paid for??? You have his and his apartments? 🙂

          • TuuxKabin

            Cooperative. Buy into the building’s shares. The two top studios, facing north and south, former town/row house on handsome landmarked block, Riverside Park at the end of the block. Been in the neighborhood 40 years, el HubCap 23. In ’94 he bought 5A facing south with a view of my terrace, 26th floor two blocks, SW. In ’97 I was bought out and we bought 5B facing north with 11×14 deck. Between the two apartments, 750 or so ‘shares’ of the building. Floors 2, 3, 4 are “floor thrus” – one apartment each floor. Not so much his and his apartments, but ours’ and ours’. And perfect for house guests.

          • Joe in PA

            That’s great…good for you. So basically you have the entire floor. Wow. I went looking around on Google Maps (street view)…so beautiful. We have a friend with an apartment in mid town (I think), huge complex and they have REALLY REALLY cracked down on “guests”. They don’t want any AirBnBs.

          • TuuxKabin

            W 105th Street, between West End Avenue & Riverside Drive. At the end of the block, at RSDrive is Opus Dei, the pope’s mafia. Gorgeous mansion. Lots of young priest types constantly going to and fro. Around the corner is the house William Randolph Hearst built for Marion Davies, now a Buddhist Church, meditation center. With this statue in front of the building, just next door, to the north of the actual mansion. It survived Hiroshima:

            https://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/ny/NYNYCatombuddhist1.jpg

            https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/24212

            We’re relaxed re: guests, as long as they take responsibility for the safety and security of and for the rest of us and are ‘well behaved.’

            We sublet one apartment for five years, paid for living in Mexico. Came back and put in a new kitchen and bath. Now the rear one is undergoing a kitchen replacement. The herbs and chili peppers, with the potted evergreens is a nice greenery. We like it here a lot. Ya’ gotta come visit. Be on your own as much as you want in one space or the other.

            Do you know which side of town, mid town, east or west?

          • Joe in PA

            Wow, the whole block is beautiful. And now I know why you pop over to Riverside to walk…so close. And dang, I don’t have my friend’s address…in mid town…I’ll be seeing his sister this week, I’ll ask. We’ve never been…I’ve just stalked the place on Google Maps. 🙂

          • TuuxKabin

            Lemme know. I’m curious. Either side, east or west., is built up with pockets of row/town houses and other gems.

          • Joe in PA

            Oh, and BTW, what is CPW? I presume Macy’s parade? The one-big-advertisement parade? LOL

          • TuuxKabin

            CPW = Central Park West, aka, 8th Avenue above Columbus Circle. The balloons, Macy’s, are inflated around the Museum of UnNatural History on W. 81st/Central Park West/77th/Columbus Avenue. Four square blocks closed off. More, really.

  • Ernest Endevor

    Thanks for posting.

    • Tom Furgas

      Amen!

  • gaycuckhubby

    I know what it’s like to be rejected by family but luckily I was never without a home…
    Thanks again for everything u do

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • Boreal

    Thanks Carl for all you do. Growing up in the 60s and 70s was a tough time to be gay, much less out. Living in a fairly rural area I was fortunate that my family was not too judgemental and that I was not homeless. It wasn’t until I was 18 that I was brave enough to come out to family and friends. My heart breaks for all of these kids who have been tossed out on the street by their families. Just donated and will do so again. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c2f4aec459e68dbb0cf72a7b4c19f85803757dfe286eec1b985b41376f4fe79.png

  • SoCalGal20

    Thank you, Carl, for all the work you do and keeping Ali Forney’s memory alive.

  • ChuckinTucson

    Eyes are wet after watching this. How could I not donate? Thankfully I’m in a position to donate a small amount every month. If you can, I urge you to do the same. Thank you, Joe, for giving this wonderful organization the platform to help spread their message. And to the Center, congratulations on 15 years of doing good stuff.

  • Tom Furgas

    Carl Siciliano is by far more “Christian” than many who profess to be, but only practice it on Sundays, if at all. The work he does (and his hard-working staff, of course!) exhibits all the traits that most “Christians” only wish they had, or at least wish others believed they have. The love and compassion, dedication and hard work that he provides for these abused and neglected youth is a true yardstick of “Christian” values. I wonder how much money Pat Robertson, say, has contributed to the Ali Forney Center. I’ll bet $0.

    I’ll be cutting the AFC a check soon, but I am afraid it won’t be much. Have been in ill health and have been working only sporadically since February. But I must, absolutely must, send something. Those of you out there who are fortunate enough to be well off, please give generously. Lives of our young LGBT brothers and sisters are at stake!

    • medaka

      You could donate in “honor” (IKR) of Pat Robertson or one of his ilk, and have AFC send them a letter announcing this. I’m thinking of splitting this year’s donation and “honoring” a number of our enemies.

      • donate in spite, and feel free to say so. heh, i love “honoring” people like him that way.

    • Bambino

      Every bit counts. Beside managing personal finances, some of us also have other causes we are personally attached to. AFC is one of the good one I’m willing to support.

    • JCF

      [To Pope Francis 5/8/16] “I pray that in so doing you can bring our Church even closer to the embrace of God, who is the supreme good, who is all-loving, who is all-merciful, who would never want us to harm a child. Sincerely, Carl Siciliano”

      Pretty sure Carl is Roman Catholic (obviously, w/ reservations! Ergo, NOT a Popoid, like the execrables I won’t name)

  • worstcultever

    I’ve been in lurk mode cuz I’m just so sick of everything including myself.

    But I just have to say thank you Ali Forney, Carl Siciliano, and Joe. You are all heroes of this world.

    Am going to donate both what $ and Amazon stuff I can today.

    Happy holiday to all dear JMGers.

    • Tom Furgas

      worstcultever, I totally hear you. The news these days ranges from depressing to infuriating. Not much in the way of uplift and good cheer this holiday season. But luckily we have great people like Joe and Carl who really do give a damn and really show it in their work and dedication. Very heartening. Otherwise we’d have to sink into the depths of despair, and that’s no fun at all during the holidays! Or any time of the year.

    • JT

      Thanks for coming out of lurk and posting. But don’t be sick of yourself, sweetie! {{HUGS!}}

    • TuuxKabin

      And to you. Sometimes in the neighborhood, poochcentric that it is, there are a few dogs that look like your avatar/icon and I tell el HubCap, “look. There goes worstcultever.” So, see, you’re never too far from our thoughts.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        ¡Feliz Día de Dar Gracias, Tuux Kabin!

    • Treant

      Let’s face it, none of our tempers are what they would be during a time period that didn’t completely suck. But that’s true of everybody so you might as well come out and bitch with the rest of us.

  • clay

    For those looking for holiday entertainment, Cyndi Lauper is doing a concert on Saturday, Dec. 9 at the Beacon Theatre. Proceeds will benefit her True Fellows program in her True Colors Fund, providing training for homeless queer youth advocating for themselves and their community.

  • ByronK

    A very happy Thanksgiving to all the American JMGers!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Have been debating on whether I want to drive an hour to my family today.
    The idea of tolerating loud nonsense, lame jokes and avoiding the family homophobes is just too exhausting.
    Not much, but I will donate the $$ that would have went into filling the gas tank today.

    • Joe in PA

      Do what gives you joy. There must be SOME family that do that for you. If not…binge watch Judy Garland movies. 🙂

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Hope you 2 have a great day.

      • FAEN

        Or if that doesn’t float your boat you can always binge Pedro Almodovar movies. But then I’m a slut for male nudity lol.

    • skyweaver

      I hope you have a good holiday, whatever you do. Happy Thanksgiving

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Thank you, I wish you the same.

    • FAEN

      Hey you! Enjoy your day.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Thanks Faen, I intend to ! Likewise !!

        • FAEN

          Jeebus dude-I’m several sheets to the wind and it feels so good 😄😄

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            LOL, that made me happy

          • FAEN

            Thanks matey-I really needed it 😊

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            That’s what HE said !

          • FAEN

            LOL-I love the optimism 😉

          • FAEN

            How was dinner my friend?

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I stayed home. Partner went to his fam ( not thrilled with them either )
            So I prepped a prime rib someone gave us which we hadlast night after a backyard fire & happy hour.
            The meat was pre cooked by them.
            I like to cook my own meat, thank you.
            It tasted like meat textured salt.
            Couldn’t eat it 🙁

          • FAEN

            Oh no 🙁

            Did you make anything else for yourself? I take it partners family are a bit Trumpy?

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            We ate mostly green beans & potato 🙁
            It’s warm again so we will grill steaks tonight 🙂

            His family is very ” Midwestern ”

            Tell me about your exciting weekend plans

          • FAEN

            Midwestern? You’ll have to explain that further.

            No real plans-just putzing around. I will certainly end up at a cafe at some point 😏.

            How about you?

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Midwestern, to me = extremely boring.

            My plans at this point are open 🙂
            NO cafe to enjoy 🙁

          • FAEN

            Well that’s unfortunate. Any time you need to cafe hang let me know 😊

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Will do 🙂

    • JCF

      {{{Ragnar}}}

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        {{{ Hugs JFC }}}

    • Strepsi

      Such a better idea!
      What are you going to do with your free evening?

      https://i.imgur.com/0w70y5T.gif

  • mdub in Puyallup

    Just made my donation, but also, as part of an LGBT advisory group in Seattle, we are gathering donations for Seattle/Tacoma area homeless LGBT youth (through our workplace). It is a sad fact that so many LGBT youth (many of color) are homeless through no fault of their own. However, I am encouraged by the increasing number of people that show their care/concern, and do what they can to help.

    • John30013

      The Ali Forney center is on my permanent list of groups I donate to each month through a payroll deduction. I also donate to Atlanta’s Lost ‘n’ Found LGBT youth shelter, and to the Trevor project. I’m thankful I got a raise this year and was able to increase my contributions to all three organizations.

      Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the JMG community. This is a truly special place and I’m thankful for it every day.

    • Tacoma here, where to send?

      • mdub in Puyallup

        While we appreciate the gesture, because it is work (we are federal and they get weird about it), we really can’t take outside donations. But please consider giving to the Rainbow Center. My friend, Teri, is the main catalyst…I mostly give some time and funds…she makes me feel inadequate!

        • Found them and donated, mentioning both JMG and yourself as the reason for the cash suprise.

  • PickyPecker

    I am thankful always for friends, family and loved ones.
    I am thankful there are people like Mr. Siciliano who are out on the front lines making a difference to those in need.
    I am thankful for the ability to be able to donate.
    I am thankful for Joe and his neverending ability to maintain this vital blog.
    I am thankful for you, dear JMG community. I learn so much from you. You give me hope for our community. You cause me to laugh (sometimes inconveniently) and to think critically about so many topics. Never stop.

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone reading. May you have a day of peace and relaxation. XO

    • Joe in PA

      Ditto, I could not have said it better.

    • Bambino

      Everything you said PickyPecker plus your never ending support of everyone here at JMG as well. However everyone is celebrating or not with family or the chosen one, with friends or even by yourself. Have
      a safe and enjoyable weekend!https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7be22e62da757d233ae1fd3347dd442407a16b95d0ea185cc71c124bf84640a.gif

      • TuuxKabin

        Maybe one day I’ll get over my fear of roosters and hens. As a kid, collecting eggs in the coop a rooster attacked me from behind, landed on my shoulder, pecking and flapping it’s wings. Some things take a long time to get over. That, what you posted, helps. Thanks.

        • Bambino

          I have no fear of chickens and ducks, geese on the other hand is another story. They go straight for the junks!

          • GanymedeRenard

            Yes! Geese! Nope, not again.

          • Zeldacat

            And pissed-off swans are terrifying, especially when you’re very small as I am!

          • Richard, another Canuck

            Men are better on the junk than geese..in my experience that is…

        • Jeffg166

          My husband Larry tells the story of how as a small kid to save money his father decided to buy a live chicken to kill and pluck it himself. He was in the basement with his father riding his tricycle around. His father cut the birds head off. It jumped out of his father’s grip onto the back of the tricycle. Larry freaked out and peddled a hard as he could to get away from the the headless bird that stood flapping its wings in back of him as he went round and round to escape screaming at the top of his lungs.

          • TuuxKabin

            THAT is traumatizing. We had a chicken coop to save money. Looking back at what parents did and ‘went thru’ to makes me more appreciative of what and how they did it. They always saw to it we went on summer vacation! My greatest appreciation of their effort.

        • witch

          Mom kept chickens, and we ate a lot of those rogue ones, you don’t mess with mom. LOL

        • MT YVR

          We raised chickens. Meat roosters. Stupidest fucking creatures on the planet. And I’ve raised cattle and sheep. But they are also the meanest fuckers.

          Meat roosters used to swarm me when I was a kid. We’re talking like 12. So they were about the size I was at the time. And they pecked, en mass, but only above the edge of my boots because that’s as high as they could reach. But note – they knew any lower and it’d not do anything so they AIMED for flesh.

          Loathed them soooo very much.

          Hens. Different story. Stupid and stupid. And really stupid. But sweet. Mainly.

        • GanymedeRenard

          I’m not afraid of cocks, TK. And I’m sure you’re not, either, despite what you just said. XD

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        I’m just here for Picky’s memes! 😄

        • Sally

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    • skyweaver

      Cheers to you and yours, PickyPecker!

    • another_steve

      Love to you, dear friend.

      You’re an absolute highlight of this blog.

    • FAEN

      I could not have said it better Mr Pecker so I’m not even going to try.

      If I may on a personal note-and I hope I dont continually sound like some sad sack on here-this community of smart, kick ass, incredibly witty, brilliant and hot men and women make my life a MUCH better place and for that I am eternally grateful.

      Happy Thanksgiving everyone. ❤️🖖🏽❤️

    • Ninja0980

      Applause, Applause!

    • JT

      We’re thankful that you’re along for the ride, Picky!
      https://media.giphy.com/media/vndqDYjLFzry0/200.gif

    • bkmn

      The place would not be the same without you PP. Here’s to many more years of gifs, memes and wit.

    • Strepsi

      Happy Thanksgiving to all, and to all a good night!
      https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjI2iHlsotWgYeQg/giphy.gif

    • Lelosh

      Mr. Pecky – After this video and your comments, I’m crying.
      We all need to help.
      I will.

    • GanymedeRenard

      My love and hugs and kisses and more hugs to you, Picky! You’re awesome! And I agree, this blog would certainly not be the same without you! I’m thankful that you’re here.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Aw, Picky, you said so many things I’ve felt ro so long about this here web thingy, so much better than I could’ve said it. Thanks, sweety.

  • JT

    Where are we with the semen latte hate preacher facility and the Ali Forney takeover prospects?

    • Carl Siciliano

      The ATLAH foreclosure process is dragging slowly through the courts. Recently the stay on the foreclosure was overturned by the judge, and Rev. Manning is currently appealing that ruling.

      • Joe in PA

        Thanks for the update Carl. And thanks for all you do.

        I have another side to tell about some homeless LGBT youth: my step son is gay, he left home at 18, dropped out of college at 19, found drugs, sex work, and unfortunately homelessness. As you probably know, not all LGBT youth were disowned by their parents. After many, many interventions, rehabs, group living, half-way houses, rehabs, counselors, mental health professionals…our son still struggles with addiction and mental health problems. He is living sober at the moment and has found his own support system in a city far from us and is not homeless! But we communicate frequently.

        Thank you again for all you do.

      • JT

        Thanks, Carl. So, another 18 months?

  • PickyPecker
    • Phillip in L.A.

      If there’s a cure for this, I don’t want it (I don’t want it)/
      If there’s a remedy, I’ll run from it (from it)/
      Try to chase you from my mind/
      Trying is a waste of time/
      ‘Cause I lo-o-ove you/
      Got the sweetest hangover/
      I don’t want to get over.

      Diana Ross–“Love Hangover” (M. McLeod/P. Sawyer) [Frankie Knuckles Remix]

      https://youtu.be/lnwkt7cgwvo

  • Slippy_World
    • safari

      Now that’s a Macy’s float.

  • eyechart

    Made my donation to them on Tuesday through Derek and Romaine’s website. They’ve been doing an intern program with the center for the last year so that some of the young people there can learn job skills.

    The last twelve months have been bad for me. I’ve lost two jobs (the second one on Monday), and my brother died unexpectedly in February which left issues that still haven’t been resolved. Yet I know there are others in worse situations than me, and it’s the least I can do to make a donation to help them.

    • skyweaver

      I’m so sorry about your last twelve months, especially your brother. Stay strong, friend, here’s to better days ahead

  • SoCalGal20

    Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

    Today I am thankful for having the house to myself for three whole days because my housemate and her son are on a roadtrip to Arizona lol. Sometimes it’s the little things.

    Already got some laundry done. Later I will be heading out for a nice Thanksgiving lunch, then meeting up with my lead from work because she doesn’t want to spend time with her SO’s family and we’re going to see Coco, the new Pixar movie!

    I’ll be here on and off theoughout the day.

    • another_steve

      Have a wonderful day, girl.

      Man and I spend Thanksgiving with the family of one of my husband’s former co-workers. He’s since died, but his wife and her large family (five adult children, tons of grandkids) are the most wonderful and welcoming people imaginable.

      Man and I are sort of their “adopted gay male couple.” 😉

      • SoCalGal20

        You as well! 😀

    • TuuxKabin

      Jello Green! We’re waiting until Monday when the school kids will be back in school to see Coco. Let us know how you like it. It looks too good to be true.

      Enjoy all that time on your own!

      • SoCalGal20

        It’s getting excellent reviews. It’s visually gorgeous. I can’t wait to see it!

        • TuuxKabin

          I’m chomping on the bits. Just about need a restraining order on me.

  • seant426

    Love Carl. He’s a super guy.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Esteban’s mother sent our donations (cash & tangibles) earlier this week as we don’t travel to the U.S. anymore (re: Trump).

    Tangent….

    This is Esteban’s first time away from his family in NYC and he’s having a bit of a time about it. We discussed going down with his mom last Saturday but she understood his reticence. As she put it: “you made a decision for safety and political reasons to not come home and I’m proud of you for keeping to it.” She told him she loved him, that it’s a matter of principle and that his father would be proud of him…he cried a lot after that call. We will be skyping later this evening so we can all have “dinner” together. It will be via our smart TV (50″) so we can see everybody at his home in Brooklyn. Ain’t technology grand? 🙂

    So while we cannot be there for Thanksgiving, allow me to convey, not only to our family in Brooklyn, but all our family & friends here on JMG: have a wonderful holiday and remember: while there are many things that challenge our hopes, there is so much more to be thankful for. All our love and respects from Canada.

    https://phandroid.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/HappyThanksgiving.jpg

    • romanhans

      Another Brooklyn expat here, but this one in Berlin. They don’t celebrate Thanksgiving here so hubby thought he’d be nice and take me out for falafel. Which is pretty much the opposite of Thanksgiving but it’s better than currywurst.

      Anyway, I follow you on Twitter too, Happy Thanksgiving and keep up the good work!

  • Hue-Man

    O/T I normally rant against mainstream media’s lack of coverage of LGBT issues but here’s an exception.

    Fighting Gay Rights and Abortion With the First Amendment
    “…Alliance Defending Freedom […] has more than 3,000 lawyers working on
    behalf of its causes around the world and brought in $51.5 million in
    revenue for the 2015-16 tax year, more than the American Civil Liberties Union.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/us/politics/alliance-defending-freedom-gay-rights.html?emc=edit_th_20171123&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=4646989

    The article includes ADF anti-LGBT campaigns outside the U.S.

    • SoCalGal20

      And I bet there’s just a few very rich people funding that shit.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Thank you for sharing Ali’s story. Thank you for all you do for LGBT youth.

    I have a question. What is being done at 222 E 13th St? I lived on that block a very long time ago in the late 80s. That building was a crack house. Then it was cleared out, the fencing went up, and it’s been that way for so many years. It’s wonderful to see something being done with it.

  • Treant

    Carl–if you’re reading along–can you use soap donations? I ask because I make soap.

    If not, just ignore me to avoid hurting my feelings. 😉

    To expand that, we all turn out batches we just don’t like. The scent is not what we wanted, coloration isn’t correct, or scent/color did something unexpected during the blending phase and warped. Or it broke on unmolding too much to give as a gift. Or it’s getting old and losing its scent (soap doesn’t generally go bad, or if it does, it’s obvious, so the stuff is good for decades to, most likely, centuries).

    In all cases, said soap would have been tested on my hide first and it’s absolutely been cured for far more than the minimum recommended period. Bar sizes are usually 4 to 5.5 ounces, but it does vary, and even if you guys use them once and throw them out, that’s better than what will happen to them over here (I can also make guest bars specialty by cutting regular rectangular bars apart and curing them that way).

    • TuuxKabin

      Great idea! Good going, Treant!

      • Treant

        Maybe some of our contingent who knit or sew could join me in offering some of our home-made products? If not to the Ali Forney center, to a local shelter of your own? Just for the season this year if nothing else?

        • TuuxKabin

          I’m in. I’ve been making post cards and flyers all year and starting a second collage workshop for the neighborhood elders at the public library. Something to decorate their rooms/area with. Thanks for the idea! I’ll find Carl’s comment, here’s here, and ask him.

          • SoCalGal20

            Have you joined Postcards to Voters? It’s the perfect project for you! Read this post about how to start writing postcards for them.

            https://onethingyoucando.com/2017/11/22/join-a-postcard-campaign-to-gotv-for-democrat-karen-keys-gamarra/

            Also, One Thing You Can Do looks to be a great site in general to keep us all motivated with projects we can help out with and make a difference in political action and races.

            https://onethingyoucando.com

          • TuuxKabin

            Gawd above, I love you.

          • SoCalGal20

            Hahaha!!!! Make sure to email
            [email protected] before doing anything else. That’s not clear in the post I linked. I only just did it myself! I have a feeling this will keep you plenty busy lol! Lots and lots of races next year. But you’ll be able to help with Doug Jones’s race, though I believe they want people for that race to send the postcards to somebody in AL so they’ll be postmarked in-state. A lot of Indivisible and other grassroots orgs are organizing group postcard parties too, so you might want to look (or help organize!) something like that in your area.

        • stuckinthewoods

          good idea. I crochet, and found out from a cancer organization that cotton and synthetics are preferred since wool and silk can be allergenic to some.

          • Treant

            Everything I own is acrylic or silk or cotton. Get me near a wool and I break out and itch.

          • stuckinthewoods

            I hadn’t noticed wool doing that to me so I was surprised to receive that restriction. I was doing caps for cancer patients and apparently they can develop heightened reactions (not that it would affect donations to AFC). I was told by a very proficient needleworker that she stopped giving presents made of anything but synthetics…because people have no notion of how to take care of fine fabrics and kill them.

    • Robincho

      Careful, brotatochip… your cleanliness is veering sharply off toward godliness! Happy Thanksgiving, if possible… 😉

      • Treant

        I’ll manage, thanks. Good Thanksgiving to you, too!

        I guess Carl isn’t reading along or isn’t interested. If I don’t hear back, I’ll drop a note to the Center’s e-mail.

        And Godliness? Please, I’m pure as the driven coal dust.

        • bzrd

          Sweetie, please,
          “I used to be snow white but I drifted.”

          Mae West

          • Robincho

            “I’m pure as the driven slush.” — Tallulah Bankhead

        • Robincho

          But since coal is clean, as we so often hear, it follows that coal dust must also be clean. So that makes you positively squeaky!…

  • Bluto

    Thank you both, Joe & Carl. This is far too important to be forgotten or ignored.
    & happy Thanksgiving to all you wonderfully snarky reprobates.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13bc37c3a30961c8eaa613c449aee53c0064d0bb13daf1e5761193c693da8d62.jpg

  • Slippy_World
    • Treant

      Just for this one single day, please don’t get me started. I’m going to have to deal with it at 5 PM.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        Yes, please not today.

      • SockMikey

        Because of the advice of my therapist, I now don’t watch as much news as I used to. He does the same thing.

        I’ve noticed that listening to New Age & Easy Listening music has helped wonders for my sleep patterns and overall demeanor.

        Too much Trump (any really) is too much of a bad thing.

    • Michael R
      • Phillip in L.A.

        Please please don’t let him pull it out; seems like maybe instead he should be sucking it in

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    I just want to wish all of the JMG communityas well as Joe himself a very Happy Thanksgiving! 🍽🍁🦃

    I’m grateful to have been a part of this corner of the net.

    • Jay George

      You too honey. Have a wonderful day.

  • safari

    Thank god for Xanax

    • Dazzer

      Sworn off vodka for the day?

      • safari

        Everyone in my family is proportedly a sober drunk. Except my aunt.

        • Dazzer

          Then feed her the booze and wait for the entertainment to begin?

          • safari

            One Thanksgiving we learned about her washing machine sexcapades with my uncle.

          • Dazzer

            For God’s sake, give her a drink from me – and keep a notebook handy for any juicy tales.

          • Ben in Oakland

            Notebooks are so last millennium. Have your smart phone ready, with plenty of memory.

        • Hue-Man

          My aunt mixed pills and booze then proceeded to tell EVERYONE exactly what she thought of them and their past misdeeds. People weren’t talking to each other for decades afterwards.

          • safari

            At the moment my father is obsessed with pushing various types of nasal irrigation devices and won’t let it go. He is, however, moving on to water pics … which come with nasal irrigation attachments.

          • edrex

            he’s just looking out for your hygiene.

          • Treant

            I use an old-fashioned bulb and make my own salt water and baking soda irrigant. 🙂 My ENT told me that was great, and if I want to get all classy about it, I could buy a Neti pot if I were so inclined.

          • Boreal

            Tell him to use a Navage. Works great.

          • safari

            Apparently that is what started the entire conversation.

          • Boreal

            It is the only thing that works for me to clear my sinus cavities. I get severe sinus infections every year that usually turn into bronchitis.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Oh, lord! My Dad, too. His mother and father smoked (of course) while he was a child, and I always wonder if this is a contributing factor to his nasal lavage . . . obsession.

            Did any of your grandparents smoke? Most folks did, back then. Just curious.

          • safari

            They did. My grandfather stopped, though, in 1980 after his heart attak. My grandmother was finally able to quite about 15 years ago.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            I’m glad they stopped! My grandma stopped in her 60s or 70s. because my parents told her she couldn’t come over to see us, if she smoked. She still died of lung cancer, but she lived to be well over 80.

          • Jay George

            Ask him if he’s ever heard of the brain eating amoeba that’s contaminating certain water supplies. 😀

          • safari

            A woman died in somewhere like Nebraska because she left her tap water out on the counter before putting it in her cpap. It is unusual because it is typically stagnant ponds that harbor such a creature.

          • Jay George

            It was running around N’awlins for awhile too. They advised using only distilled water in Neti pots.

          • Natty Enquirer

            There is no place like home for the holidays.

          • OdieDenCO

            home is where the heart and self esteem are sorely tested

          • yes b’y

            Sounds like a delightful woman. Happy Thanksgiving to Joe and the all the JMGers.

    • safari

      I am 90% sure someone fed my dad extra benzos today.

  • Jonathan Smith

    To my JMG family, happy Thanksgiving. Eat,drink and get fat
    Love you all

    • Treant

      Eat, Drink, and…er, too late for me.

  • Michael R
    • Treant

      Is she cookin’ that or dancin’ with it?

    • Boreal

      Hope she saved the liver.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Oh. You mean the bird’s.

        • Robincho

          Thanks to Dumpy, it’s WAY too late to save mine…

          • JCF

            All kidding aside, I’m worried about Stephen Colbert: you see him tossing back a bourbon after every show (and sometimes during the show)!

  • DaddyRay

    How I miss this wonderful family – Happy Thanksgiving
    https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/933707825821421568

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Thank you for posting Joe, and thank you for all you do for us all, every day! Happy Thanksgiving to you, and to everyone out there in J.M.G. land! Have a wonderful day….

    ❤️ 🦄 💚 🐬 💛 💋 💜 😎 💙

    Unfortunately, there are many homeless LGBT teens in Los Angeles, as well. Please check out Los Angeles Youth Network (LAYN) at layn.org to learn more and/or donate to this worthy organization.

    LAYN provides housing, mental health and wellness services, education and career development, and other services for under-served and homeless LGBT youth in the Greater Los Angeles Area.

    ❤️ 🦄 💚 🐬 💛 💋 💜 😎 💙

    https://youtu.be/Z6VrKro8djw?t=25s

  • Jeffg166

    I’m having discus problems today

    • edrex

      apply heat.

      • DaddyRay

        No, no, no – definitely apply cold

        • safari

          Drink more.

          • DaddyRay

            Well that is a given

      • TuuxKabin

        No. RICE.

    • TuuxKabin
    • Snarkaholic

      I’m having display problems…everything on my screen is “stretched” horizontally. I’ve tried system restore AND changing resolutions, etc. NOTHING is helping.
      I proceeded to call Rescuecom, the company I pay monthly to help in emergencies. They brag about contacting you within an hour, but even though I called twice, eight hours ago, no response.
      I also researched the problem online, but have had no luck.
      Can anyone here suggest a solution?
      Thanks.

      • JCF

        Forgive a stupid question: you’ve tried re-booting? [I think this happened to me a month or so ago, but a reboot got rid of it PDQ]

        • Snarkaholic

          Not stupid at all. I did try; no luck. Thanks for your suggestion!

  • Mike_Bernard

    What a beautiful thing, the Ali Forney Center. Thank you for this amazing service to those in need.

  • DaddyRay
    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      What a horrible way to go

      • DaddyRay

        If I remember correctly at that point Barney was becoming annoying so parents were cheering his demise

        • David Walker

          To those of us who served time at the master control switcher of public TV stations, Barney was ALWAYS annoying. Honest.

    • Ninja0980

      My parents were grateful my siblings and I had all outgrown that phase when he came along.

    • Bluto

      Oh the humanity.

    • BobSF_94117

      Why those people kept preventing what was obviously a Rapture attempt is beyond me.

      • DaddyRay

        Or maybe in this case a raptor event

        • Treant

          Barney’s a…

          Oh, you.

    • Treant

      A Sound of Fluffer.

  • Hue-Man

    O/T “the world’s largest survey of gay men, bisexual men and other men (including trans men) who are attracted to men.”
    It’s a extension of the European Survey in 2010.
    Their website has the link to the survey questionnaire: https://www.esticom.eu/Webs/ESTICOM/EN/homepage/home-node.html

    Where I saw it: https://www.straight.com/life/997771/canadian-lgbt-men-needed-one-worlds-largest-sexual-health-surveys

    BTW, I don’t have any connection with the survey and haven’t filled it in yet. Deadline is December 31, 2017.

  • bkmn

    How nice to sleep in….have a great Thanksgiving all and get ready for more moran opposition. And lets hope for more indictments next week.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Whatever happened to that homophobic freak Manning and his Atlah church in Harlem?

    • bkmn

      I think he is busy having semen lattes or something.

      • edrex

        ever try to froth one of those? takes for-ever.

        • DaddyRay

          But is ever so enjoyable

        • MT YVR

          Only the older ones.

          The younger ones froth instantly. And usually WAY too much. 😛

  • Ninja0980

    I donated but it sickens me that I have to.
    If you disown your LGBT child, you are a POS, simple as that.

    • I don’t understand why it’s not an arresting offense to toss under aged children out on the streets.

      • DaddyRay

        Agreed – it should be child endangerment

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        What I don’t get is why the parents aren’t tracked down and at the very least billed the amount of $$$ it takes to take care of the child.

        • Ninja0980

          My friend’s “parents” certainly had the $$$ to do so.
          He was one of the lucky one’s in that his boyfriend’s family accepted him into their home without question.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Honestly, it seems only jail time, huge fines and shame from being openly sued may be what would keep future children from being dumped on the street.

            There really should be a class action lawsuit against churches based on alienation of affection, something occasionally used in cases where the abandoned spouse sues the third party for having sex with their spouse.

          • zhera

            The problem is though, that the homes that these kids are kicked out from won’t be ideal homes to live in. If the parents are keeping the child only because of threat of jail/fines, how will they treat the poor child? Many homeless kids are runaways, with good reason. Being brought back home is the last thing they want.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            True, the original is usually a bad home. However, the mechanism could possibly be used to force parents to at least arrange a separate living space (with friendlier relative/friend/group home) so the child could finish high school at least even if they no longer want to see the child at all. Currently, there’s no penalty at all for their irresponsibility.

          • LaChatSayWha

            Agreed. Living in a hateful house (which is never, ever a home) is brutal and incredibly damaging. But maybe negligent parents should be forced to financially support kids living in an alternate situation.

            The government should provide funding to organizations modeled on AFC where rejected queer kids can live healthy, happier lives. Maybe after we change the current administration? (Knock on wood.)

      • houstonray

        Amen! A woman has a baby and abandons it at a store or something and the news goes on for days, the police are involved, people get arrested, etc. A parent throws out an LGBT child and it’s
        “just the way it is”. Ugh. Makes me so mad!

        Money sent today to Ali Forney Center. 🙂

        Happy Thanksgiving to all!

    • David Walker

      And, if I may, not only are the parents pieces of shit, so it the god that tells them to do that.

      • JCF

        The POS priest/pastor/rabbi/imam/etc who tells them that their god tells them to do that.

        • David Walker

          I stand corrected. Thank you, JCF. Hope the day’s been good for you.

      • romanhans

        With my parents I think it was society — keeping up with the Joneses and all that. Sons have to be straight. Made it easy to write them off, though: anybody who’d side with society over their own children isn’t someone you want to know.

  • EqualityForAll

    I’ve been automatically donating $5.00 per month out of my checking account to the Ali Forney Center for a couple of years now. I know it’s a small amount – even less than the price of a cocktail these days. But, I don’t miss that $5.00 and I figure if enough people do the same thing, then it can add up to a lot of help for these kids.

    • David Walker

      And it’s not just $5…it’s $60 a year, which is not exactly chump change. Thanks for doing this.

      • EqualityForAll

        $60 a year doesn’t sound as good as $120 a year. I suppose I should increase it to $10 a month. It’s certainly within my budget.

        • David Walker

          Oh, shoot. I’m sorry. It’s the public broadcasting huckster in me, I guess. I didn’t mean anything but praise for what you’re contributing. I can’t even manage the $5 a month, but I do make a contribution when I have a little mad money and, of course, Amazon Smile. My apologies.

  • BrandySpears

    Just sent one of everything marked High Priority on their Amazon Wish List.

  • zhera

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here and Joe, Carl, and every homeless person in the world. This last year has been tough on all of us, I think, and finding things to give thanks for might be a challenge. But Carl, via Joe, brings it back every year!

    Thank you both for reminding us that there are good people in the world doing good things. All year round there are people out there giving time, money, and care to people and animals in need. I have one local shelter I donate to regularly. This year I’ll buy something from AFC’s Amazon Wish List.

  • DaddyRay
  • Max_1
    • DaddyRay

      Kind of fitting that the cat took the land from the dog

      • bkmn

        FYI – you can find out what tribe used to live where you live now…
        https://native-land.ca/

        • bzrd

          Chochenyo
          Alameda and Contra Costa County, California
          the Bay Area
          thanks bkmn for the link

          • TuuxKabin

            Saved me the time. Thank you bzrd from transplanted Richmonite.

          • bkmn

            Very welcome. I found it on twitter this morning and it seemed like a good thing to share.

        • Snarkaholic

          Atlantic City: Lenape

        • Max_1

          Duwamish
          Twana/Skokomish
          Suquamish

          • bkmn

            You must be near us, though our area was only inhabited by the Skokomish….and the Skokomish River is frequently flooding near Potlatch just a few miles away.

  • Michael R
  • greenmanTN
  • Homo Erectus
  • David Walker

    I am truly thankful for Carl, his staff, and the shelters throughout the US for their work in raising and teaching and providing sanctuary for our daughters and sons, work their own parents should have done and despicably didn’t. In my case, I guess, they are my grandkids, but they are as worthy of our time and concern and bucks as the president of the local GSA, who has her/his own problems to deal with, but surviving in the streets likely isn’t among them. Thank you, Ali, thank you, Carl, thank you, Joe. I am truly thankful.

    As for dessert, have a liberal helpin’ of the Liberal Redneck. NSFW for those of you who have to work today. As to whether it’s safe for family viewing…I’m not getting into that. You know them better than I do, so make them laugh, piss them off, and generally, as he suggests, if all else fails, get drunk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5fmusgaMEA

  • TheManicMechanic

    The Ali Forney Center has been my primary recipient of donations since Amazon.com instituted their Smile charities program. I encouraged others to do the same, it’s so easy.

    Thank you, Carl, for all you have done to help the homeless LGBT youth over the years, and to keep Ali’s story alive.

    • ClevelandJim

      Yet another thing I learned from the amazing Joe and his community here, a couple years ago. Anything I order on amazon gets ordered thru smile, and needless to say, Forney Center is my designated charity.

  • Bambino
  • JT
    • Ben in Oakland

      Oh Julia, we’ll always miss you.

  • Treant

    Just for one day, let me not make the typical Freudian slip I’m so prone to.

    “Please pass the pepper” might just come out as, “You’ve ruined my life, you castigating bitch.”

    • JT
    • MT YVR

      Mine ALWAYS came out wrong.

      “You’re why I drink…”

      Actually. Ok so Sue, the mother, is a huuuuuuge Babs fan. Like… everything Babs ever put out, she owned. Then when Babs started to tour again she (Sue) spent like a month crying over the tickets she got. When she got back from California stop, she had all the video for it and played it EVERY DAY.

      So of course THIS level of Babs love is in the house.

      One day, after having come out, during a period when she was still asking “so why are you gay” through subtext, I finally randomly started to talk to her.

      “Hey, I figured out why I’m gay.”
      “Oh?”
      “Well… when you played so much Barbara Streisand, what did you THINK was going to happen?”

      Annnnd then I had to start running as she tried to kill me. 😉

      • Treant

        Now that is funny. In my case, it was the dominant mother that did me in, plus being taught how to sew, cook, and clean.

        It’s a total curse.

        • MT YVR

          Huh. I thought it was that I liked dick. But… apparently knowing how to sew and cook and clean? Interesting.

          😛

          Of course for the audience it’s important to note that I know how to is not the same as I do this.

          I am absolutely of an age where I’m looking for staff.

          Annnnd we’re back to my first point. 😉

          • Treant

            We’re both always looking for staff. Although wand will do.

            Aaand I’m off to suffer for three hours or so. Wish me luck! Wish me an enjoyable evening! Wish me able to hide the bodies!

          • MT YVR

            Hon, you’d not have made it this far if you needed “luck” to hide the bodies.

            You make soap. You’ve probably got lye out there somewhere. I have faith in you. 😉

            But go. Good luck. Try to enjoy.

          • Treant

            Eight pounds, and I can lay my hands on fifty more pounds quite quickly and cheaply. That’s enough to dissolve about te…er, a number of bodies, I’d have to look that up…

          • Dazzer

            Wish you luck and love you to bits.

            Always remember: breathing is important and if you see an open window you’re supposed to walk past it rather than throw yourself through it.

            Huggles and other gay stuff.

          • MT YVR

            Oh, wow. YOU jump through it? This may be where I went wrong.

            I used to push people out of them. I suppose your way works too.

    • Dazzer

      Try instead: “Pass the polonium. I think you’ve had enough by now.”

      She might get the hint

  • Lazycrockett
  • Lazycrockett
  • Treant

    Fun Thanksgiving Memories!

    Back in grammar school, a good friend of mine was named Paul. Paul got a virus over the Thanksgiving holidays. So did I, actually, and probably from him. But I didn’t throw up on the Thanksgiving turkey as it came out of the oven. Paul’s mother very quickly served luncheon meat.

    20 years ago or so, my cousin’s oven was malfunctioning slightly. Dinner was three hours late, the turkey was red, and it bled a bit when she cut it. She didn’t see the problem. I ended up eating a sandwich when I got home.

    Almost every year, my cousin’s turkey sucks. We can’t figure out why. It’s just awful, like trying to shovel tasteless, stringy, tough bits into your mouth. With tasteless stuffing. And every year, about two weeks later, we cook a turkey to remind ourselves of what actual well-cooked bird tastes like. And we just have a Butterball, nothing special.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Is there anyway that someone else could try their hand at the bird? Or maybe instead of turkey, a spiral ham that’s already cooked?

      • Treant

        I’m thinking, perhaps, Thanksgiving at a Chinese restaurant, something like A Christmas Story but without the humor.

        She inherited this position from her mother-in-law as the Holder of All Holidays. It would be a terrible insult to have somebody else make the main course.

        Also, we have her ham at Easter. It sucks equally as bad; she’s just a lousy cook.

        • JT
          • Treant

            Something like, but you didn’t capture the people around the table collapsing as the deadly gasses released from the semi-cooked turkey reached them and destroyed their lung tissue, dissolving it into a thin liquid.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Maybe she could just make a huge vat of Kraft mac & cheese instead?

            Maybe someone could pitch it this way. I see a lot of people writing articles about how much pressure it is to have to do all the cooking & prep for holiday dinners and they get all grumpy about the amount of work. Hand her an article and say, “I am so sympathetic to your plight. Please, let us order grocery store catering!” then hand her a ton of phone numbers & price lists.

          • Treant

            “Please. Please. Let us order some edible food. We’re dyin’ in here…”

            🙂

            We’ve tried everything. We did finally get her to stop making the shrimp (she boils them to floppy tastelessness) and Marge now takes care of that. But it’s about as far as we can push her.

          • Ben in Oakland

            If she overcooks shrimp, you can imagine what she does to a turkey.

            If you like your cousin enough to spend a bunch for a book, buy her cook’s illustrated “the New Best Recipes” for some reason they are horribly wrong about roast duck, but for everything else I wanted to learn how to do— like make a turkey that I would want to eat— they’ve been bang on so far. Just tell her that a friend recommended it for how to do The ultimately perfect turkey.

          • Treant

            Trust me, it’s beyond hopeless. It’s bad because she doesn’t really care, and edible is good enough for her.

            I can’t cook, but most of what I do cook is very tasty. Because I actually do care.

          • Ben in Oakland

            That is the issue in the end. She doesn’t care.

          • Dazzer

            My sister and I used to fight to cook the Christmas dinner (mostly because it got us out of having to try to do small talk with our parents).

            The way we always sold it was: “Mum, Dad, you work so hard for the rest of the year, it’s only right that one day of the year you get to put your feet up, have a drink and be pampered.”

            It worked like a dream.

    • Gretchen

      Several years ago, I failed to defrost the turkey in a timely manner. Foolishly I assumed 4 days in the fridge was enough for a 22 lb. bird. At midnight Wednesday the turkey was defrosting in the bathtub. At 4 A.M. Thursday it was still a solid rock, and I had had an hour of sleep. Bleary eyed and without my glasses I stuck the turkeycicle in my electric roaster, poured a carton of chicken broth over it and hoped for the best. I basically said screw it and went back to bed. At 6 A.M. it was thawed enough to get the “bonus” parts out of it. Back to bed I went again. I overslept. At 10 A.M. I went back to the roaster and lifted the lid. I panicked. The entire bird had collapsed. I had no clue what had happened. I poked it. It fell apart even more. I finally realized I had blindly put the turkey in to cook upside down. I started pulling this ugly bird out of the roaster and transferring chunks to the crackpot. I was trying my best to salvage ANYTHING at this point. I covered it in a little more broth to keep it moist and drug the whole thing to my parents’ house for the big family Thanksgiving. I was so embarrassed that the turkey was swimming in the crockpot instead of golden brown on my heirloom platter.

      So anyway this turned out to be the absolute best turkey we had ever had. It was moist and tender and tasted GOOD. So now all these years later I intentionally cook my frozen turkey upside down every single time. Makes a hell of a bird.

      I guess necessity really is the mother of invention.

      Happy Thanksgiving, folks. I wish you all the best for today and every day.

      • Treant

        At least it all worked out in the end, even if it was melting a bit…

      • JCF

        Hell of a story!

      • Bambino

        I once tried a turkey that took 12 hours to cook by a friend. He started like 5 am in the morning. It’s almost like a stew but was really delicious.

    • Ben in Oakland

      The usual problem is overcooking. My turkey gets done in 2 hours. Never cook anything bigger than 14 lbs. it is by definition over cooked when it is cooked.

      • Treant

        We find that oven bags also work miracles in keeping it from getting dry. My husband did a 20 pounder that was out of this world.

        But by day 8 you’re very tired of turkey.

        • Ben in Oakland

          Here is the very definition of eternity or hell or both:

          Two people and a turkey.

    • Bambino

      If you and your fellow diners arteries can take it, it’s all about butter. Pounds of butter 😛

      • Treant

        Mine can, my cholesterol is all of 120. My husband’s, not so much. 🙂

        • Dazzer

          Mash an asprin into his gravy and use the butter without guilt.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Get her liquored up, then take over the kitchen.
      Start early.

      • AJ Drew

        I worked for a very high-end caterer for a while, and the owner’s M.O. was *always* “Know who’s paying the bill and keep their wine glasses full at all times.”

        • Ernest Endevor

          Excellent advice for life.

      • Dazzer

        That used to be my exact policy for getting through family holidays. Works every time, too

  • TuuxKabin

    I think we broke dissux. Yay team.

  • OdieDenCO

    Thank you Carl for fixing what hate broke.
    and
    Thank you Joe for bringing us together.
    Peace!

  • GanymedeRenard

    Dear Carl and Joe, please know that you are amazing! I discovered this site about four years ago, and I couldn’t be more THANKFUL I did.

    It is people like you and my fellow readers that give me hope. Hope in the human species, and hope that not everything is lost in this blue rock floating and rotating up in the infinite space. I get happy and angry and gloomy as much as you do, so I’m grateful to know that I’m not alone.

    Keep up with the good work, real people thank you for that! Even if my donation is merely symbolic, my entire heart goes with it, aware that it will be used for a noble cause – tending to the most vulnerable in our already vulnerable LGBT+ community.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you, merry gentlemen! May the Universe rest ye.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you all, of course, fellow JMGers!

    • TuuxKabin

      Good to read your words. You’re missed in these parts. Your donation(s) is more than symbolic, they’ve been helpful as well.

      • GanymedeRenard

        Thank you, TK! Big hugs to you and hubby!

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      And, everyone, please remember to tip generously for good service.

      Enough said. Thank you.

    • houstonray

      Big Texas hugs to you! We’re all in this together and we’ll get through it together!

      • GanymedeRenard

        Thank you, houstonray! Big hugs from VA (where I am for this holiday, I know) to you and your beloved ones!

  • GanymedeRenard
  • Treant

    OT: I’m taking 20 bars of soap with me (about 6 as a house gift). Those leftovers are old, have lost their scent, or have design flaws that otherwise displease me. They’re fine soap, of course, although some are recipes I developed and then decided I didn’t care for.

    I was planning on tossing them out on the kitchen table when desserts are served and letting people walk off with whatever they want. Does anybody think that’s a bad idea?

    (I actually have over a hundred bars that should be jettisoned this way, but there’s always Christmas Eve).

    • Snarkaholic

      I think it’s a great idea…right after dessert is served.

    • PickyPecker

      Sounds like a good idea. I’d add too…..dump and leave. That way you don’t have to haul anything home.

      • Treant

        That was the plan. 🙂

        • PickyPecker

          Have a good time, my friend. I’d be on that soap you put out like….well, you get my drift. Be safe out there. Just checking in between getting some things prep’d for dinner (and putting a festive lighted decoration on the porch timed to go on during dinner…….will drive my father-in-law nuts). XO

          • Treant

            Traditionally, that’s done tomorrow and Saturday. Christmas is not allowed to overlap onto Thanksgiving dinner, at least, so I may even get there tonight….

          • PickyPecker

            NOW you’re catching on! 😉

          • Treant

            Gotcha. Drive the guy nuts. 🙂

          • PickyPecker

            May even tune the stereo (softly) in to 24/7 holiday music station!! heh

    • Treant

      Oh. Yeah. One that’s going is most of the Pumpkin Spice soap. Great scent…if you like Pumpkin Spice. Wonderful recipe. Great rough-hewn artistry to make it look like a country-style bar that great-grandma might have made. Gorgeous orange, just about the color of my current avatar.

      I can’t stand the scent. It absolutely turns my stomach. The spice part is OK but I absolutely hate, hate, hate pumpkin.

    • Ben in Oakland

      How about sending them to Ali Forney?

      • Treant

        I suggested that below but Carl Siciliano hasn’t said yea or nay.

        And I’m talking I have about 50 pounds of finished soap on the racks, and a lot of it is getting old and going scentless.

        ETA: If nay, I’m thinking I’ll call my local homeless shelters. Like I said, if you use it once and pitch it, you got more use out of it than I ever would!

        • Ben in Oakland

          That’s also a good idea.

        • SoCalGal20

          Contacting your local homeless shelters is a great idea. My ex’s aunt used to collect all the shampoos and soaps when she’d travel and stay in hotels and turn them into little toiletry packs for her local homeless shelter.

        • LesbianTippingHabits


          Yes, your local homeless shelter either welcomes it, or would know where you could donate it in your area.

          Thank you.

  • JT

    Pink. Beautiful Trauma. With Channing Tatum.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBt_88nxG4c

  • fuzzybits

    Thanks Carl for all the good work you do.

  • fuzzybits
  • JCF

    May everyone have a wonderful fest/feast w/ their families: biological, and/or logical! Happy Thanksgiving to all @ JMG—

  • Treant

    To compliment JCF’s wish, may everybody get through dinner without strangling the cousin or other family member who so richly deserves it.

    • fuzzybits

      I had two teeth pulled on Tues. so I’ll be busy remembering to chew on one side.

      • Treant

        Ugh, BTDT. My best, and don’t give yourself a dry socket on top of it all!

        That means no sucking on things. Just sayin’.

        • fuzzybits

          I have no idea what you’re talking about. 🤔

      • JCF

        Hang in there!

        I went to the dentist on Tuesday, for the first time in {cringe} 7 years (a combination of factors: “things are fine”, I fear dentists, “can’t afford it”). Next month, I’m getting my very first filling, ever. {white knuckles}

        Cheerfully accepting (no really) thoughts & prayers…

        • Silver Badger

          Ask for laughing gas. (Don’t seem to be able to spell the real name.) It is very short term and usually calms all of your fears.

          • safari

            Nitrous oxide. It is *wonderful*.

          • whollyfool

            Yup. I had all my wisdom teeth out at once and I had such a good time I told them I would come back the next day.

        • whollyfool

          It will be ok. 🙂
          Thoughts and hugs. 🙂

        • fuzzybits

          Good luck! I’m sure it’ll all be fine. Big thing here too is the cost. I’m sure we’ve sent the dentist on a vacation or two.

    • Ninja0980

      Those family members won’t be invited so no worries about that.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • fuzzybits

      How horrible.

    • SoCalGal20

      Terrible news. Some of the search and rescue aircraft and equipment came from Miramar near where where I work and other San Diego area military bases. I hadn’t heard anything in recent days but I knew earlier in the week they were hopeful that they’d picked up a beacon.

    • JCF

      RIP. I pray comfort for the survivors—

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n6RINuNej0

      • JCF

        FYI: Have the score in front of me (have tried for YEARS to get my choir to sing this, and for years my choir director—to whose home I’m going to feast in a couple of hours—has replied, “We don’t have enough singers for all the parts”: I think I count *12*, in all):

        “Come, enjoy rewards and crowns I have prepared for you.” Musical direction: “With resplendent joy in the Resurrection”. Amen!

    • KarenAtFOH

      Very deep water in that area. Might have been the sound of the hull imploding at crush depth.

  • JCF

    “It was a pure weaponization of
    fabulousness; all the students were so busy gagging at the spectacle of
    Ali that they took no notice of the rest of the kids.”

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2c/69/b9/2c69b9203d4b0bec794baa1b32ef5ce4–rupaul-drag-drag-race.jpg

    Gag Eternal, Ali. Memory eternal.

  • SoCalGal20

    It is 100 fucking degrees here. No, that is not seasonal weather for SoCal this time of year. The temps have been like this the couple of days and I am about done at this point. That tweet is from an hour ago and temps are hotter now.

    https://twitter.com/nwssandiego/status/933783451756621824

    • JCF

      I heard about that yesterday! So, so sorry, SoCal (here in NorCal we’re only a few degrees above normal)

      But remember!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dee327116a909242e3cd3a536c342a500045475f26196de6b03f16f5d84f09ad.png

      • SoCalGal20

        Ah yes! The Chinese hoax!

      • bkmn

        I wonder why he didn’t confront Xi about it when he was in China last week, maybe he is too much of a pussy to confront an actual world leader.

      • BobSF_94117

        You know what was made up to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive? The whole GOP anti-metrification movement in the Carter years. The industrialists behind them didn’t want to retool the U.S. and then shift everything to China and have to (re)tool China, too. So they just skipped modernizing the American factories and closed them down over the following two decades.

        I don’t believe it was a coincidence.

    • Silver Badger

      How Interesting. It is 71 in Denver. Also unseasonably warm. It’s a damn good thing that global warming stuff is a hoax.

      • SoCalGal20

        Your unseasonably warm is our normal for today. At least you have sort of the ideal pleasant temperature. Here it’s just hot and gross.

    • Treant

      39° here, unseasonably cold, but not by much. But that’s OK, wait until tomorrow and we’ll be unseasonably warm again.

      The century mark on Thanksgiving? Sucks.

      • SoCalGal20

        Tell me about it! The normal temperature here for today is 70 degrees.

        • Treant

          I actually had to look mine up. The average for today is 49 degrees, so we’re running about five degrees cold. Tomorrow runs three degrees warm during the day. Then it goes up into October weather again…

          • Ninja0980

            Going to be in the 40’s and 30’s here.
            Only time of the year so far that temperatures are at where they should be.

    • AJ Drew

      Eww. It’s been oddly cold, and I mean COLD in my area of NC. (30s/40sF) Me No Likey, but then again… better than that crazy heat.

      • SoCalGal20

        Notmal temp for today where I live is 70 degrees.

        And, yeah, I’d rather have it be unseasonably cold. Then I can at least wear layers.

    • MBear

      Frikkin cold in Toronto. Enjoy it!

      • Hue-Man

        Record highs in Vancouver and southwestern BC. 60F yesterday. (old record 1954)

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Walked the dog in just a T-shirt just now.
      Could be shoveling snow.

    • Ninja0980

      What is climate change for $100 Alex.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Not to make light of the situation but I really like Big Bear City for the name of a town.

      • KarenAtFOH

        It’s a wonderful winter ski area up in the mountains.

      • SoCalGal20

        Hahaha it’s a ski resort town. (Also would not be surprised if they at least have bears of the non-human variety. Not sure about human bears. 😉

  • safari
    • JCF
    • Treant

      (darkside)

      Or the fix is in, Flynn will be charged on something minor, and he’ll be eliminated as a suspect and released as they move to clear the next one.

      (/darkside)

      Prolly not, but again…the game looks the same whether you’re playing black or white right now…

      • JCF

        No, no, no, no: there is EASILY enough on Flynn to jail that POS *for life*. He’s cutting a deal as if his very life depends on it!

        • Treant

          Mebbe. Or we’ll play the “everybody but the top” game and nail everybody but Trump and Pence. 🙂

          Seriously, one in the hand is worth two in the bush? Try about thirty in the bush with me… 🙂

    • SoCalGal20
    • SoCalGal20

      I give thanks for Robert Mueller. Please gift us with some more indictments before Christmas!

      If Flynn has flipped that’s huge!

      • JCF

        Does anyone know when Flynn joined the Drumpf campaign? It was earlier than Manafort wasn’t it?

    • boobert

      He should be forced to apologize to Hillary on prime time tv for that “lock her up” bullshit !

    • billbear1961
    • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Thanks to Joe My God for making it easy for readers to do the right thing.

  • billbear1961

    THIS country of murderous hypocrisy is unfit–UNFIT!!–for souls like Ali.

    A “Christian nation,” my ASS! Remember, Christers, if Christ was/is the “Son of God,” you WILL be held ACCOUNTABLE. And IS there a greater sin than cruelty to CHILDREN, you goddamned two-faced DEGENERATES?!

    “God” may have mercy on you–I will NOT–your depraved guilt CRIES OUT out for PUNISHMENT!! Be DONE TO precisely–word for word, curse for curse, blow for blow–as you see fit to do to OTHERS, others who have done YOU no harm!!

    Ironically, while the innocent will suffer, too, you work your OWN destruction through the ruthless FASCISM you support!

    • houstonray

      No truer words…

      Luv ya Billbear!

      • billbear1961

        XO

    • JCF
      • billbear1961

        XO

    • AJ Drew

      You’re right that there’s never a day off, but today in USA, I focus on thanks. So… thank you BillBear for your passion. I am also thankful I’ve never been homeless (yet?) And I still believe, despite so many awful stories being thrown at my eyes, that most people are decent, though yes, too quiet, perhaps.

      I am very thankful that I once stumbled upon this JMG site and found such a unique comment community of like-minded libtards and bleeding hearts, and passionate screamers. !

      • billbear1961

        XO

        (If they are quiet while innocent people–even children–suffer and die, they are NOT good, AJ.)

        • AJ Drew

          not quite what I meant, but point taken.

    • SoCalGal20

      Hey, Mr. Bear! I posted about a project in response to Tuux Kabin further downthread that you might be interested in. It’s not taking to the streets but it is about getting people to vote! It’s called Postcards to Voters and you send postcards to voters in various districts encouraging them to vote for particular candidates, for example, Doug Jones. Email your interest to [email protected] if you are interested. Check out their Facebook for lots of photos of people’s fun and creative postcards.

      https://m.facebook.com/TonyTheDemocrat.org/

  • SoCalGal20

    Here’s a beautiful Thanksgiving story.

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/933681553099538432

  • billbear1961

    The story is very moving, and CJ and I will make a donation, as we have for the past few years.

    • Treant

      Your husband is named Cock Jockey?

      • billbear1961

        Who is Cock Jockey?

        😮

        • JCF

          His honorific? ;-/

          • billbear1961

            Oh!

          • billbear1961

            I’ll ask him!

      • AJ Drew

        Well, it is a day of thanks here… ahem.

      • William

        Don’t try cooking a jockey. Too tough and stringy.

  • Treant

    Well, it’s 4:35 here on the Eastern Seaboard, and I’m about to run out and head for my mother’s, where we pick her up and the stuff she made, then head off to dinner.

    Assuming that I’m not in jail for killing one of three Republicans or one of two Hysterirepublifundagelicals, I’ll knock a note when I’m home around 8.

    If I am in jail, please start a fund. I assure you, the murder was entirely justified.

    • Ninja0980

      Good luck!

    • safari

      Just make sure to wear socks. You can always put one of your soaps in one and use it to beat people.

      • JCF

        ROFL!

      • AJ Drew

        BAM! (literally?)

      • Treant

        My three year old Castile could serve as the foundation for skyscrapers.

    • Bambino

      Nah, I think most of them get to be honest for one day of a year by being at home getting drunk, yelling and screaming each other about what horrible persons they are to each other and spilling all the shitty things they have done.

    • JT

      Do not kill. Just laugh and tell them how stupid they are.

    • Hue-Man

      Kill them with extra helpings of food and spirits! May not be immediate but just as effective as an illegal act.

  • Bambino

    Always thankful to those who give a heck lot more to others.
    https://twitter.com/chefjoseandres/status/933139878795272192

    • SoCalGal20

      Jinx! I just posted another story on this! That man is a treasure!

      • Bambino

        The more the merrier 🙂

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Yeah, what’s he done for the stock market lately?

  • SoCalGal20

    Chef Andrés helping to cook Thanksgiving dinner for 40,000 people in PR!

    https://www.today.com/food/jos-andr-s-serves-thanksgiving-meals-puerto-rico-t119218?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

    • bkmn

      Nice to hear some good news coming from PR. Yesterday I heard that they are shooting to have 95% of power restored by the end of December. That is way too slow and never would have happened under any other administration. I hope lots of Ricans move the states and vote blue.

      • TuuxKabin

        ‘Ricans?’ From a ‘spic,’ come on . . .

  • billbear1961

    Despite the FASCISTS’ ongoing and relentless assaults, the Republic LIVES!

    https://youtu.be/ACI71gtbIek

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Wonderful choice.

  • Prost Seattle

    I am so fortunate to have a long mother who unconditionally has given me her love. It is an honor for me to donate to this center.

  • Bambino

    Don’t know who she is or her back story. Her tweet makes me feel very fortunate.
    https://twitter.com/iamlakotak/status/933807394949300226

  • gaycuckhubby

    I feel thankful to the JMG community for embracing me even though I often have a slightly different view on politics/culture than a majority of commentators here.
    I’ve always felt respected. Plus y’all are hysterical!

  • Blake J Butler
    • Bambino

      Base on the news vibe I’m getting, It seems she is gathering her ammo to do major damaged to Harvey. I hope she does.

      • bkmn

        It sickens me that some potentially really good actresses never got their shot because of him.

  • safari

    We’re at the conspiracy expousing part of the evening.

    • SoCalGal20

      Just start reading from Snopes.

      • safari

        It’s more local conspiracies about crooked doctors ordering tests and those people of Flint who are asking too much.

        • SoCalGal20

          You could start a reading of the Constitution. Thanksgiving Civics!

        • JCF

          I picture that scene from the Simpsons, where they serve Burns the 3-eyed fish: “Here, dearest relations, YOU drink the Flint water, ‘kay?”

  • JT

    This just in: right now, I am most thankful for the sight of Josh Hartnett’s butt anywhere I can see it.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Ernest Endevor

      It’s a Thanksgiving miracle!

    • safari

      I don’t believe it. A long-form article on the topic mentioned that there are plenty of fakes floating around.

      • Ernest Endevor

        If you believe it you will make it be true.

        • safari

          Also, the “Donald” has too much hair and better skin than 2 scoops.

          • Ernest Endevor

            I do believe in spooks! I do, I do, I DO believe in spooks!!

          • SoCalGal20

            He’s gone downhill since 2013 (not sure if that’s him or not but just saying lol).

          • Snarkaholic

            I don’t mean to be a spoilsport (because I fervently hope that it’s real), but what bothers me is that his hair looks very neat for someone who’s just engaged in a night of shenans…shouldn’t it look more disheveled?

          • Gianni

            I have no opinion on the tape’s legitimacy right now, but, seriously, I don’t think that Donnie ever allows his hair to look disheveled. The only time I ever saw anything akin to disheveled was on the vid clip when the wind caught the coif and lifted it. Of course, there was more than enough Aqua Net on it to prevent any stray hairs from breaking formation.

      • SoCalGal20

        You might be interested in this guy’s entire twitter thread. I’m not buying it as legit right now but the thread is interesting.

    • bkmn

      That rug on the guy looks nothing like the rats nest that currently sits on top of his head

      • SoCalGal20

        Trump has really gone downhill since 2013 lol, regardless of weather this is legit or not.

    • SoCalGal20

      You need to read this entire thread. It’s definitely interesting! A couple more tweets in the thread.

      https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/933772721959456768?s=17

      https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/933772760270196736?s=17

      • Ernest Endevor

        That’s enough for me. I’m on board! I can hardly wait for Chris Matthews’s take on it.

        • Lazycrockett

          Poor Puritan Chris.

        • SoCalGal20

          Read the rest of the twitter thread. This is just flying around the dark web right now. MSM won’t touch it for a while (if ever).

          • Ernest Endevor

            I have no idea what any of it means but I don’t think I’ve ever been so happy!

    • Ross

      That is not Donald.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Agreed. That’s what I thought immediately upon seeing it.

    • SoCalGal20

      Ok so after a cursory look at the comments two this tweet I discovered a few things.

      1. The guy is in the Louise Mensch crowd. He CC’d her and Claude one some comment.

      2. That video is actually from the Kanye West music video, Famous. Therefore, this is nothing.

      Famous video. Go to :50 in to see this part (NSFW warning for boobs).

      https://youtu.be/p7FCgw_GlWc

      • KarenAtFOH

        Great find! Thanks for your sleuthing.

      • Gianni

        🙂 We don’t need security agencies for verification. We have our own core of video/audio sleuths! Very good.

  • Ernest Endevor

    Thanksgiving in London with ex-pat Americans was always fun. There was a certain frisson about knowing what it even was when the rest of the population was clueless. There’d be a great deal of planning ahead to find food that might approximate what they were used to at home. Cranberries?

    • Lazycrockett
      • AJ Drew

        Sadly not quite a joke. I make my own cranberry dressing but I too often see a look of disappointment from guests when they see the partial berries and skins. Even straining through cheese-cloth to make a jelly is apparently no the same. So, now, I actually do offer an attempted-attractive plate of canned, sliced, jellied cranberry sauce as well.

        • djcoastermark

          I’m one of the few that I know of that like real cranberry dressing, skins, chunks, and all those goodies within. Can I come over for a bowl or two ?

          • Gianni

            I agree. I always enjoyed the pieces of fruit and skins in the sauce.

          • Bj Lincoln

            I love whole cranberry sauce. My grandmother made the best with mandirin oranges, crushed pineapple and pecans. I miss her.

          • bkmn

            My family’s version was cranberries, orange, walnuts and celery put through a hand crank meat grinder but both of us are big fans of the smooth stuff out of a can. I’m giving Kroger’s organic a try and if its good I will pick up a few more cans tomorrow while it is on sale

          • AJ Drew

            Oh, hugs Bj, this time of year makes me remember too.

          • JCF

            I love that! My late mom made it too.

          • AJ Drew

            I made way too much, so yes. !

        • BobSF_94117

          I hope you make them eat at the kids’ table if they insist on the canned version.

          • William

            Heathen!

          • AJ Drew

            Nah, if I’m the host and invited them, I just notice things. Doesn’t mean they’ll get invited again, but, eh…

      • safari

        I like cranberry sauce that I can slice. (And I make my own, too)

        • William

          It must be served in the shape of the can.

      • Ernest Endevor

        You better believe that lights were lit in Grosvenor Sq (where the US embassy was at the time) when the American Food Shop opened on Queensway and Yanks could finally buy Cheese Whiz and Crackerjack. All the sub-consuls fighting back tears!

    • AJ Drew

      Yams, marshmallows, gelatin. No ex-pat American would likely eat it, but they’d welcome the nostalgia.

      • Ernest Endevor

        I remember one year that yams with marshmallows was produced, but I think that was mostly ironic.

  • bkmn

    The horizon with some hope just got a lot closer, NYT reporting that it looks like Flynn is now cooperating with Mueller and team

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

    • William

      Fl5nn has a century of federal and military prison time in his future. He might shave off a decade with some cooperation.

  • JT

    OT

    The GOP tax plan got a triple whammy of brutal reviews

    Three new analyses of the Senate’s Tax Cuts and Jobs
    Act all delivered bad news for Republican leaders.

    The Tax Policy Center found that more than 50% of
    Americans would see a tax increase in 2027 under the
    bill.

    Only one out of 42 economists surveyed by the
    University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business said the bill
    would increase economic growth substantially.

    The Penn-Wharton Budget Model found that the bill would
    blow a hole in the federal deficit.

    LOL. Even a business rag pans it.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-reform-bill-analysis-reviews-text-2017-11

  • AJ Drew

    OT but Thanksgiving cooking… I stuffed the bird with lemon wedges and freshly cut sprigs of rosemary. My home smells very citrusy-astringent clean now. Nice, but, what will the turkey actually taste like? Hmm.

    • JT

      It will taste good with that flavor as long as it’s juicy and well basted.

      • AJ Drew

        I hope so! We’ll know soon. Just in case, I’ll make a smothering gravy now.

      • AJ Drew

        It WAS good! Yay!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Basting. You don’t say.

    • bkmn

      I boiled up a brine last night with lemon, thyme, sage, rosemary, bay, onion, garlic and peppercorns. The whole house smelled great and the brine was packed into the fridge to brine the turkey breast this morning.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Bought a cooked turkey to my Mom’s. All I had to do was warm it up for ~2 hours.

      Am I forgetting anything?

      Oh yeah, basting.

      Her sharpest knife couldn’t cut the turkey skin. First meal FAIL.

      • William

        Renting a jackhammer can be difficult on a holiday.

      • JCF

        Dude!

    • AJ Drew

      Success! It did not taste like Lysol at all, very flavorful, I’ll do this again, especially as it was pretty easy!

  • blackstar
  • Lazycrockett
    • GanymedeRenard

      He’s, like, ridiculously sexy.

      • JT
      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Not only a bottom, but a piggy bottom at that. Still, as much as he is sexy sexy, my husbotter is more than enough for me.

        Lordy, I’m stuffed…booh made a delish turkey with the fixins’

        • GanymedeRenard

          You naughty boy, you. 😉

  • Hue-Man

    O/T Because I’m watching the Season Finale of Queen Sugar.Congrats to the happy couple.

    True Blood Star Rutina Wesley Announces Engagement to Girlfriend Chef Shonda
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46c8c19870040b0e2de58640ec02fdf270b5bee7498d8a4c3cd732c5bc6bc321.jpg

    • SoCalGal20

      Ooh congrats!

    • JCF

      They pretty. 🙂

  • JT

    OT

    Trump’s Thanksgiving message to troops: ‘We’re really winning’

    Says the draft-dodging, cowardly traitor who stole the election.

    • SoCalGal20

      Easy for him to say. Meanwhile, you’ve got soldiers dying in Niger, Afghanistan, the Pacific, with a fucking idiot as Commander-in-Chief.

    • zhera

      Winning what, exactly?

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        The fascist takeover of the free world, that’s what

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I saw about ten seconds of him reading his prepared remarks to the troops on video.

      In that short space, he screwed up.

      He should just trace the lines on the page with his finger if that really helps.

    • DaddyRay

      And selling out our country to the Russians

  • SoCalGal20
  • SoCalGal20

    No surprise but Verizon does not support net neutrality! Guess I’ll be shopping for a new phone service soon!

    https://twitter.com/verizonpolicy/status/933017209202294784

    • zhera

      They’re calling it Restoring Internet Freedom Proposal?

      Of course they are. Just like the christers who call themselves pro-family and pro-freedom.

    • JT

      “Restoring Internet Freedom Proposal”

      What bullshit. That’s Luntz’s Orwellian lingo for you.

    • Cuberly Deux

      They got what they paid a LOT of money for.

      Slap the FREEDOM label on it and, well…..

    • Friday

      I urge everyone to vote for my Stop Calling Things The Opposite of What They Are Or Else Get Thumped Really Hard in the Head With A Rubber Tuna Act. 🙂

      • JAKvirginia

        I upvoted you but have a problem with the rubber tuna. Might I suggest a baseball bat?

        • Canadian Observer

          No need, put the rubber tuna in the freezer overnight, it will be much harder than a baseball bat.

          You’re welcome (bwahahaha)

          • JAKvirginia

            You clever Canadian! Yes, the cold can be your friend!

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        “Restoring Internet Freedom Proposal”. Hmm, somehow they neglected to work “Religious” into the bill originally titled “The Fascist Takeover of All Media Proposal”.

    • JT

      Is it true the Credo is the only cell phone company in favor of net neutrality?

      • Scott Carpenter

        Well, there’s Project Fi (my carrier), but it’s not available everywhere.

    • TuuxKabin
    • Bambino
  • Michael R
    • Bj Lincoln

      Beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

    • Ninja0980

      Amazing photos.
      Thank you for sharing them!

    • Cuberly Deux

      Woofers!

  • safari
    • safari

      We’re not at the time of the holiday where my mother cries and says everything is fine. No, I don’t know why.

      • Mickey Bitsko

        One person’s angst is another’s orgasm. Just saying.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Lumpy Gaga

      OMG can you imagine him thinking he can compete with Billy Baldwin?

      • William

        Billy’s not as cute as he used to be.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Trump, on his BEST day, was a 3.

        • Treant

          I would still tap that repeatedly until the chest hair was so matted it’d take a currycomb and four hours to untangle everything.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Ooh, Atlantic fuckin City! Now, who wouldn’t hop on that helicopter and drop their drawers for a free ride to America’s Slum-by-the-Sea?

      • TuuxKabin

        Shud up and come to bed.

      • Snarkaholic

        Hey! I live in A.C., and now that his ass is gone, the place is much more delightful!

        • TuuxKabin

          Sorry, el hubcap had too much duck and cote de rhone, he gets a bit belligerent. Smacked me upside the head with the leg. Rightly so, but just sayin’.

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          Sorry.
          Being from the Bronx myself, I should know better than to disparage anyone’s home town.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          A delightful weekend without teh Trump-tacky is possible in A.C.

          But unless you’re a lifer, you need an experienced guide/tour top. You’re not gonna find joy on your own.

  • Bj Lincoln

    Just finished a great meal and looking forward to desserts. Happy Native American Recognition Day ya’ll!

    • bkmn

      Back at you Bj – our turkey is about 30 minutes from hitting the table, two types of stuffing (technically dressing but I have turkey thighs on top to add flavor to the stuffings) and just made some killer gravy.

  • JT
  • OdieDenCO

    burp!
    we now return to our regularly scheduled coma.

  • safari
    • AJ Drew

      agreed. but in the vein of “things could always be worse,” I imagine this:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d996c0805715647c0af630f7206f086d80d0c4726d625fcbe7d17a07d28ac0d.jpg

    • Cuberly Deux

      The walking heavy metals peddler.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Hey,Alex! How come the wife and kids aren’t in that picture?

      • AJ Drew

        [hushed tone] “Daddy’s drinking… go to your rooms!”

    • Treant

      Can’t be. The Pilgrims were actually starving their first fall/early winter and Jones looks like he’s been chowin’ down on the Cap’n Crunch.

      • AJ Drew

        SO, you survived the dinner? And everyone else?!

        • Treant

          There were no other survivors.

          • AJ Drew

            I assume there will be a soapy tell-all book forthcoming (which I’ll buy,) but spill it, Treant.

          • Treant

            It really did go fine. They kept their mouths shut, the lefites quietly gloated in a corner, it all worked out. 🙂

          • AJ Drew

            Yay for that! (but what a boring book that will be.) ; )

    • Snarkaholic

      That’s Alex? I didn’t recognize him with his mouth CLOSED!

      • TuuxKabin

        The pinky up is dead give away.

  • Michael R
    • ByronK

      Does whatever a spider can…

      • Treant

        Rims a Sam,
        Any size!
        Gets right down,
        Between the thighs.

        Look out, in comes the Spider-Man!

    • ByronK

      It’s not just his Spidey-sense that’s tingling…

      Come on people, this stuff just writes itself. Obviously he wants Uncle Sam as much as Uncle Sam wants him!

    • Ninja0980

      Think of the children!

      • AJ Drew

        Moore’s on it!

    • JCF

      “Flashback to 2012”

      Always (Sigh)

  • Blake J Butler

    Bleh! i finished with my run for thanksgiving, dropped off a batch of brownies with powdered sugar on top and a batch of brookies to have to a orphan thanksgiving hosted by Equality Texarkana. I dropped them off but didn’t stay very long this morning.

    Then i had thanksgiving with the extended family which put my cheesecake to the test, with myself trying the first piece, and i can say now that i know how to make a good cheesecake, make that a oreo cheesecake. the oreo crumb base with a border wall made it perfect to put into with no resistance and little crumbling.

    61 brookie cookies made, one batch of brownies, and a cheesecake that was made all the the span of the past 24 hours.

    I’m tired,

    • William

      And i thought walking to the car was an achievement.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Whew!
      What are brookies? Inquiring Yankees want to know.

      • Blake J Butler

        Brownie cookies thus brownie+ chocolate chip cookies= Brookies.

        • Silver Badger

          I think it is also a kind of fresh water fish.

          • OdieDenCO

            trout

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          Mmmmmmm!!!

        • Zeldacat

          A local grocery store occasionally makes these – cookie dough on top, essentially, and brownie underneath. Orgasmic.

  • JT
  • LarryChemEngr

    Everyone, please send them a big check. I can’t imagine a more worthy charity, can you? I have many gay friends that were abandoned by their families. I feel so blessed having a wonderful family that supported me to adulthood. Imagine what your life would be like if you were to tally abandoned at 15.

  • JeauxFan

    Devoted reader, first-time commenter here. Just made my donation to the Ali Forney Center. “Thank you!” to Joe and the entire JMG community – when the world is at its worst, you all help me laugh and learn.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      WELCOME! Happy to have your voice join ours, don’t be a stranger, well, no stranger than the rest of us.

      • TuuxKabin

        I’ve always depended on the strangeness of strangers.

        • AJ Drew

          50/50 though, ain’t it?

        • Treant

          That’s odd. I’ve often depended on the horniness of strangers/

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            I’ve counted on it.

    • JCF

      Bienvenue, JeauxFan!

  • AJ Drew

    I was so fearful that my lemon-rosemary stuffed turkey might taste like Lysol that I made 5 pounds of green beans sauted in bacon and butter. The turkey actually tasted great (huh!) As did the green beans, but I made waaaay too much… will they freeze well? Hmm.

    • Silver Badger

      Yes. they should.

    • djcoastermark

      I put fresh rosemary in mine, along with the garlic and other usual suspects. Never thought of lemon. It works with chicken, so why not. Hubs cooked the green beans out on the grill. Delish, just not enough, we ahem, gobbled them up. That’s okay though, I still have a good half pound uncooked in the fridge for tomorrow.

  • Picabo
  • AJ Drew
  • Bomer

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Heading out to work soon with two pumpkin cheesecakes and homemade whipped cream (with brandy >.>) for the work potluck.

    • TuuxKabin

      Provecho! We added tequila and agave nectar to the fresh cranberry, pineapple, navel orange relish. Was nice.

      • Bomer

        Think one of the reasons they keep me there is that they like my baking and the fact that I add alcohol to 99% of it. I’ve made more cheesecakes since I started working there this year than I have in the past five years. Last two were raspberry/amaretto cheesecake and midori/strawberry cheesecake.

        • TuuxKabin

          Send me an application.

          • AJ Drew

            … “send me a vodka-flavored cheesecake. Or a cheesecake flavored vodka.”

      • clay

        I stayed more mid-century standard– used Madeira.

        • TuuxKabin

          Why 2nd hand?

  • BJORN RAGNVALDR

    O/T
    Carol Burnett Show 50th anniversary special will be Sunday December 3rd.

    • TuuxKabin

      Today’s the 91st birthday of the original Gerber’s Baby Face.

    • Lazycrockett

      They have only lost Harvey right?

  • Treant

    Well, we made it. The turkey was awful, the stuffing was worse, but politics Was Not Discussed. Which means the right wing members are so embarrassed by the Dumpster that they won’t even discuss it.

    The soap was a hit, and nothing came back home. I’ll take over more on Christmas Eve.

    • JT

      It is too much to hope some of the soap might be used to wash their mouths/minds out?

      • Treant

        Way. Mostly, the ladies of the crew descended on the stuff like flies on crap.

        I did have to urge them to take the stuff. I sure wasn’t bringing it back home.

    • M Jackson

      You do T’giving AND X-mas? You are allowed boundaries, you know.

    • AJ Drew

      Wow! So all your trepidation was for naught? Or did you perfect your laser-beam stare? (if the later, I’d like to buy the blueprint.)

      • Treant

        My gaze is less laser beam than scalpel. Most people are aware that I’m not pleasant, but I’m often what’s necessary.

    • fuzzybits

      I noticed the same thing when we went to a birthday party a few months ago.Radio silence.

    • Ninja0980

      The latter made the former easier.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Yeah, that “scent” in your “soap” was one of those Batman-villain specials.

      Nonetheless, I applaud your ingenuity.

      • Treant

        I call it Sniffle-Upagus. You immediately forget that I exist and go away when you sniff.

        Seriously, I could get major mileage out of that.

  • Blake J Butler

    Lady Bunny has a post of a turkey with a ballsack for a “turkey neck” on twitter. It is not JMG friendly.

    • M Jackson

      Lady Bunny is always M Jackson friendly.

      • Blake J Butler

        I expect seeing a cock or two or the joining together of an a bottom and a top, but it took me a second to realize that the turkey neck, was no turkey neck at all.

    • fuzzybits

      I think there’s a family living in there. https://i.redd.it/ejxuatty7muz.jpg

      • AJ Drew

        RuPaul: that hair… too subtle. Oh, at least it almost hides your face.

  • Silver Badger

    Had a great day. We went out to dinner at a quiet restaurant. Had a nice phone call from each of my kids. Other wise, no day of cooking, no crying kids and no discord in any way. Loved it.

    • AJ Drew

      Yay! That sounds like great day.

  • AJ Drew

    T’day dinner party over. Friends brought squeaky toys for the dogs, which was nice of them, but ARRRGH, dogs love ’em too much, I’m about to lose my mind from the noise.

    • JCF

      My T-Day had *4* dogs! Happy JCF.

  • Ninja0980

    Had a nice early dinner with the parents and local siblings.
    Now the hubby and I are just watching NCIS and Castle reruns.
    All in all, not a bad day.

  • Lazycrockett

    Directv is having an all free movie channel Thanksgiving weekend now thru Sunday night.

    • JCF

      I think ATT U-verse is, too.

  • AJ Drew

    From today’s Tday dinner: I had Pandora playing “brunch songs” in the background, and a young (ok, 30ish) woman suddenly started singing along to Paul Simon’s Kodachrome but singing “Cote du Rhone” instead of Kodachrome. I thought she was being funny, but, oh, the following conversation was awkward.

    • JCF

      Needs screenplay!

  • BJORN RAGNVALDR

    Survived Thanksgiving with the fam. Suffered the cousin I detest with class, he was oddly silent and bolted right after he ate. He started a political conversation with me several weeks ago that I posted about at the time, i shut him down without mercy. He came down as I was finishing carving the turkey and made awkward conversation. Later, Mom wondered aloud if my conversation with him previously may have been why he was so quiet and left as soon as he ate, she added “good, should have done it sooner”.
    Another cousins (2nd cousin whose mother married my cousin by Russian internet bride set up) two year old daughter experiencing a really bad day of the terrible twos dumped a full gravy boat on him, soaked him through and through. I live four houses away and had some clothes here that would fit him so we came to my house. I put a clothes basket in the living room and went downstairs, he said he would need socks and underwear, too, if I could. I returned to this 27 year old gorgeous marine now highway patrol officer standing stark naked in my living room asking if he could go ahead and take a shower, which he did while having a conversation with me, curtain open. He finished drying and dressing, still casually talking about job and what not, directly in front of me.
    This whole time I’m thinking, what the hell? He knows I’m Gay, right?
    He said, “I’m sorry, should I have been more modest?” Oh, no, I said I just thought…”if I knew you were gay or something like that” he interrupted. Um, yeah, I said, I’m not offended, I’m a nudist myself but…. He said yes, he knew I was gay, but didn’t think anything of acting any diffferently because of it. He said he’d showered in front of many gay people in the marines, nothing weird about it, you’re gay, not some predator or something. It is ok if you like what you saw, I’m a bit of an exhibitionist. I said, would it be too much to ask if we go back 20 minutes and let me get a selfie, he laughed out loud slapped me on the back and put on his coat and we left.

    All in all, I’d call it a good day.

    Now, time to make my donation as well as shop the gift list and then set up my Amazon to always donate to Ali Forney.
    The work Carl and all involved is invaluable.

    Happy Thanksgiving to my JMG family and all your loved ones, as well.
    💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓💓

    • djcoastermark

      Interesting dessert.

    • AJ Drew

      Geesh, I was worried about my lemon-rosemary stuffed turkey being unpalatable. Lolz! Sounds like you had an eventful dinner, but an ok one?

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        Dinner was delicous, my mother is a wonderful cook. The turkey in past years however, is not her strong suit. I asked her if she would please allow me to direct the prep and cooking this year and she actually said yes and did it exactly as I asked. (My suggestions were compiled by several famous chefs, not my own experience). It turned out amazingly well, everyone began complimenting her upon their first bite. She began to not take credit and I kicked her under the table and gave her the shut the fuck up and go with it look. Besides, she did the actual prep, i only stepped in to carve, which, if I may say so, is my speciality, that’s bragging and avwarning…:-).

        My visual “dessert” was exceptional though.

        Edit: she learned to cook from my grandmother of course, who’s cooking was famous in those parts. It was also at a time and place where fear of getting sick from meat guided all the cooking of all meat, overdone and bland.

        • Silver Badger

          It must be fabulous to have a family you can enjoy. Count your blessings.

          • AJ Drew

            well, my nudist family with… oh wait… no, not at all.

          • Silver Badger

            I am truly lucky to have an incredible logical family and out lived or misplaced the bad part of the biological, leaving only my kids, grandchildren and two totally unbelievable great-grandchildren. As frosting on the cake, I have a gentleman friend that likes to have sex several times a week. Life is sweet indeed.

          • AJ Drew

            True thanks for that for you. !

            “logical” vs “biological” vs “chosen” I kinda like, but in the end I personally will go with “chosen” cuz my tribe, we don’t have a genetic or legal bond, but we choose to stay together no matter how awful any one of us might be at any time, unlike our bio-fams.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            I have that family, too.

        • AJ Drew

          Ah, a guy who loves his Mom and, um, loves his dessert even more. Got it!

        • Hue-Man

          One thing I’ve come to appreciate about my mother’s cooking is that she prepped dinner 7 days a week for 6 people (or more if people “dropped in”) and dinner was meat, potatoes, veg, dessert. Plus we never ate “store-bought” bread, canned fruit, or pickles.

          I don’t recall that she cooked turkey outside of Thanksgiving and Christmas but for her it wasn’t the kind of challenge that it is for someone whose culinary skills today mostly involve a microwave or the telephone (for deliveries).

    • Silver Badger

      Wonderful experience for both of you. Those good kind of holiday memories last forever. Spill whine on him Christmas and take pictures.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        Funny that you have been able to read my mind so well, maybe seperated at birth?

        • Silver Badger

          No, merely great minds thinking alike.

  • Picabo
    • Sam_Handwich

      just got home and saw the scoop. yikes

      https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/933843906042753024

      • hey sam, ed here. so…this is a big deal, yes?

        • Silver Badger

          It could well be. Interesting times, indeed.

        • -M-

          From what people are saying, this notification could indicate that Flynn is now cooperating with Mueller as it would then be impermissible for Flynn’s team to share info with Donnie’s lawyers. And if Flynn wants Mueller to go easy on him or his son he needs to be very useful for going after big fish.

        • bkmn

          This is big. Flynn’s legal team had been briefing Trump’s lawyers until this time – now they are forbidden from communicating a thing. AND it shows Flynn really does not want to see his son go to jail and that trumps loyalty to Trump.

      • AJ Drew

        baited breath… we shall see. I hope so, though.

    • Silver Badger

      Only a complete fool would support Trump in the first place.

    • DaddyRay
      • JCF

        This is great, DaddyRay. Thanks.

  • Picabo

    Malala is a first-year student at Oxford. I love her.
    https://twitter.com/Malala/status/932612718825299969

  • Sam_Handwich

    here be this from the twitters

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPWlSanVwAEN4JM.jpg

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      There is no way that massive gas bag could possibly float – especially after stuffing itself on Turkey day.

    • David Walker

      They look like turkey legs…drumsticks.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Turkey legs? All I see is camel toe.
        Eww!!

      • stevenj

        Looks like big ol ham hocks to me.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      What am I thankful for today? This.

      • AJ Drew

        You’re thankful THAT float didn’t crash into you. (as am I.)

  • Jerry Kott

    We stayed home. We are both estranged from our DNA Families which we are at peace with. How can you miss something that never was? Did some outdoor chores. Listened to coral gospel music, watched some Macy’s Parade. Our dog is making progress. Made a low carb Lasagna for the first time. And counted blessings all day.
    As I age, it often leaves me speechless to comprehend how blessed I have been in life. Not that we haven’t had challenges but having been grateful to have the courage to stand tall and speak Truth to Power and follow my bliss. I have everything money can’t buy and I am not willing to give any blessing up to create a picture that conforms to what passes as normal.
    Hope everyone has a Peaceful day and a joy filled Holiday Season.

    Jerry+Scott+Kode

    • AJ Drew

      Lovely post and sentiment. Peace and joy also hoped back at you.

      I must ask, however… your dog? what’s up? also, low-carb lasagna? Is that possible?

      • Jerry Kott

        And back to you. I have mentioned her before here and others may enjoy the progress. We adopted a 4.5 year old Aussie Female. She was kept in a barn and was a breeding machine. She had no social skills, Knew no commands and had the temperament of a squirrel. We only heard her bark once and that was at me. In the 6 months I have never seen her tail wag, she still growls at me on occasion. She has taught me unconditional love and we are willing to work with her. She never had a loving home and we don’t know if she knows how to be a happy dog. But she has a loving heart.
        Lasagna- the secret is using Explore Organic Edamame and Mung Bean Fettuccine- the noodles are 10 grams of carbs per serving and you would never know the difference. I should have said Lasagnaish. I am type 2 have have managed to control it through diet and exercise.

        Peace

        • AJ Drew

          DM2, fully with ya about diet and exercise. “Lasagnaish” is interesting.

          Dogs… meet Shortstop. Took 3 years before she began to trust me at all. Still not much interested in being a house dog, but give her a job and she’s on it and suddenly eager to please…

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b8011abc5080447dd3e30d3dba41448c91fa01f14d4a168dc81e2474f5df409.jpg

          • JCF

            Well, considering she looks like a Heeler (aka Australian Cattle Dog), OF COURSE she needs a job! Herding types like Heelers and Border Collies can go psycho w/ energy-consuming/focus-demanding jobs…

          • AJ Drew

            It’s a long story, JCF… she’s a sweet dog, sometimes. We respect each other finally. She definitely keeps me active.

          • Jerry Kott

            What a cutie. Kode has made progress. She is the velcro Aussie with my partner but still keeps her distance with me and I feed her. It could be because she believes I am evil? It is a challenge to have the patience since it is like ground hog day everyday. I have never seen a dog so scared and afraid. All we can do is let her know she is safe and the consistency of loving baby talk and treatment will build her trust. She takes treats from me and comes when called. What is a sweet thing is that if she is upstairs , I will loudly say” I Love you” and she comes down. I have read that sweet baby talk increases endorphin flow and we are overflowing. We are here for the long haul. Give your puppy an itch from me.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      💓💓💓 that sentiment!

      • Jerry Kott

        Thank you.

    • TuuxKabin

      Thank you for posting that.

      A thankful reader.

      • Jerry Kott

        Your are welcomed. Hope you had a restful Holiday. Did you ever take the Train Cross Country Trip you had mentioned in the past?

        • TuuxKabin

          Thanks, yes restful the way a good meal’s preparation can make one relaxed. Just three of us. A new acquaintance from the farmers market, she’s the chefette, twice a week, preparing recipes with the days’ offerings, from land and sea.

          Hope you had a good holiday as well.

          We did take the trip. AmTrak, NYC-Chicago-Portland, Or and the total eclipse of the sun in Salem, off in a field, in the Willamette Valley not another human around, three of us. It was like seeing two sunrise and sets in one day during totality, looking 360 degrees around, the coastal range to the west, Cascade Range to the east. Crickets were the first indication it was about to begin. Then south to Richmond, my hometown, back on the California Zephyr. Three week trip. One week in transit. Brings a smile to me, remembering it all.

          The train ride, crew, car attendant, servers and food, all very good. And meeting new people at every meal, three times a day gave me faith in our fellow country people. Inter-generational and at one breakfast a young couple of guys, ‘honeymooning,’ from Iowa to Glacier Park to go hiking and camping. Granddad and grandson. at dinner another day (3 days and nights from NYC to Portland). Physically challenged young teen and her relative or companion. It was how things should be. A dad with his two daughters, also going to Glacier Park to hike and camp, his older daughter ‘identifies as lesbian,’ he, bi’.

          The ‘roomette’ is like building bunk beds and putting them in the back seat of a Subaru. Cramped, but cozy.

          I could go on about the scenic wonder of the country and places in between, but it’s Taco Sunday and we’re having left over duck, as tacos. Cherry PIE for dessert.

          Thanks for opening up the memories. Hoping you’re safe and sound, warm and cozy.

          All the best.

          • Jerry Kott

            Sounds like you had a great journey and a good time. It is one thing to see American and it is another to feel america. I for one don’t believe that everyone out of our tribe is ignorant and crude. I like adventures like you had .Glad you have found memories and thanks for sharing them.

            10 years ago I was diagnosed as Type 2, it blew me away. I found comfort in my food choices and needed to eat like an adult and look at food as medicine. I have managed to control it with diet and excercise -I see it as a mixed blessing.

            We like to visit NYC during the Holiday. There is nothing more beautiful thanChristmas in NYC. We like to go to MOMA and while there we like to eat in the cafeteria . What is always interesting is that the seating is not private and you share a space with strangers. Each time is remarkable and the conversations shared are always memorable. I do like people watching at MOMA. The men are handsome and look kind and the women have more than enough character and glow.
            Glad you had a great trip. Ours is still on the back burner- someday. We though of going to SF and doing a side trip to Yosemite.
            Anyway season greeting and glad you shared your trip.

            Jerry

  • SoCalGal20
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Lock ’em up!!

    • AJ Drew

      Ahh, but did they file legally required reports before they were hired (before being fired)?!

    • bkmn

      And Rancid only filed his last week after it came out that this was going to be hitting the press.

    • William

      Off to one of Jeffy’s private prisons!!!

  • SoCalGal20

    Oh, this is good. More insight on Mueller flipping Flynn.

    https://twitter.com/normeisen/status/933868687282638848

    • AJ Drew

      I love the implication but I hate hate hate “Big Daddy”

      • SoCalGal20

        Yeah, I prefer Donnie Two Scoops.

      • Hue-Man
        • Lumpy Gaga

          A thankless role, but let’s hear it for the lady who played sister-woman.

          • Hue-Man

            I wouldn’t want to be any of the characters in the movie! You want to cheer for somebody but they are all so compromised, sister-woman included.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        How about Fat Daddy with a Teenie Weenie.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Mendacity!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Is there ANY trump-spawn couple as beautiful as Paul Newman and Elizabeth Taylor???

        (Don’t even think that there’s a variety of answers on this question.)

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      We couldn’t have one day without any of this?

      • AJ Drew

        Nope! The Secret is to log off for your own sanity. (Infuriating stuff will be here tomorrow and in a week from now, probably, too.)

        • Lumpy Gaga

          No!

          No!

          Trump-free Black Friday!

          Tomorrow I’m getting my hair done, paying some bills, brunching at 4th Street Delicatessen, checking out Record Store Black Friday to ogle vinyl I can’t buy (but which might not stop me), organizing and ripping my WFMU DJ premium CDs, and hopefully picking up my order of $100 worth of SanDisc MicroSDs Amazon was offering as one of their Black Friday deals before circling back home.

          I’m going to come home, nap, and catch up on Barbra and Gaga films on Netflix.

          (it’s left as an exercise for the reader whether any of the above is gay.)

          • greenmanTN

            Maybe you know… I’ve been in the process of unearthing lots of things in storage for the past several weeks. In addition to the comic books from the late 70s/early 80s (which I also don’t know what to do about) I have all or most of my original vinyl records, a few hundred, but don’t know what to do with them, how to sell them, etc. My first job was in a record store and even before that I liked fairly obscure new wave, so very little of what I have is Top 40 music, which in terms of resale I assume is a good thing. Raybeats, Slits, James White and the Blacks, Kid Creole, Fingerprintz, Pylon, etc etc etc…

            Any pointers on what to do with the re https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a3a9393b05e0eae53bd70d6c940bb5b72ff4d8b9d6e193dbd4f3bd3596aa337d.jpg ?

          • AJ Drew

            Vinyl is kinda “up” now, especially on ebay. Do a search for each title and see if it’s worth listing or not.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Same boat here. The vinyl has to go, but it certainly depreciates.

            One COULD stock up on shipping boxes, set up a profile at discogs or ebay, and hope that people bite on some of that great rare vinyl, but records from those same acts – the Slits, Kid creole, Pylon, etc. – are the hardest to say goodbye to and the only ones of any value.

            But I lurk in vinyl collector fora. I don’t find them generally to be well-adjusted people. I would rather dump the whole lot at a charity shop, walk away, and let those who hunt in such places find the gems they appreciate, than deal with vinyl collectors, arguing about Mint vs. Near Mint, giving negative feedback, etc. I can’t take the separation anxiety AND deal with people trying to pay 50 cents for an album.

            But sooner or later, IT HAS TO GO.

          • greenmanTN

            Kind of what I was afraid of. Not sure I’m up to Attack Of The Uber-Pissy Collectors on eBay or wherever.

          • zhera

            Is that something libraries would be interested in? They have films and games and music, so why not old vinyl?

          • greenmanTN

            I doubt it. Besides, I’ve been carting those things around for almost 40 years so it’d be nice to get some money out of them! 😉

          • TuuxKabin
          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            If you’re doing it, its gay…..😂

          • JCF

            I think you rang the bell w/ getting your hair did. ;-p~~~~

      • SoCalGal20

        Apparently not. NYT posted the story today and then WaPo followed up. And I wasn’t the first to post TrumpRussia news on this thread.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          My comment wasn’t about you posting, per se, just that we can’t escape it for even one day.

          • SoCalGal20

            Ah! Yes. I mean when news is being reported even on Thanksgiving…interesting times.

      • stevenj

        This is good news.

    • William

      He may give up Pence in place of anyone in the Trump family.

  • Ninja0980

    Is it really a shocker that Flynn flipped?
    Who is really willing to sit in prison for years or even the rest of his/her life for Trump?

    • bkmn

      I think it was more the fact his son would wind up in jail too. Flynn would probably do time for Trump but he does not want to see his son spend years of his life in prison.

      • DaddyRay

        His son deserves to be in prison

        • William

          Why hasn’t the DC pizza shop sued Flynn Jr?

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Which is why I want to see it so SOOOO badly.

      • William

        Both of them in prison would make dating awkward, especially if the Flynns are cellmates.

    • AJ Drew

      Flynn seem arrogant enough to not care/believe he’d possibly face any legal repercussions… but… bring his son into the equation (and his son does deserve scrutiny,) and oh, Flynn suddenly cares… a plus towards Flynn’s humanity, maybe.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Not doing any of that today, especially not on this thread….just sayin’

      • TuuxKabin

        Thank ya’!

  • SoCalGal20

    I just finished watching the first episode of the National Geographic channel’s series, “The Story of Us.” Morgan Freeman travels the world talking to people about various topics. The first episode is about freedom. He speaks to a man who grew up in a North Korean prison camp who managed to escape to China and eventually the U.S., one of the Angola Three (the prison in Louisiana) who spent four decades in solitary confinement, Nobel Peace Prize winner from Guatamala Rigoberta Menchu, etc. All the stories are very interesting and Morgan Freeman is…Morgan Freeman. I love him! I highly recommend the series based on the first ep. New eps air on Wednesdays.

    • Cuberly Deux

      You’re not watching MST3K Turkey Day Marathon?

      • SoCalGal20

        I’m afraid not. I actually haven’t watched the Turkey Day marathon in a few years, sad to say.

        I did see Coco earlier and it’s excellent. I loved it!

        • Cuberly Deux

          I’ll have to see that in the theater. I keep hearing the look of it, along with the story, is excellent.

          In case you want to watch the remaining episodes here’s a link…lol….I think they have two more to go.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1D51pEsFIE

        • TuuxKabin

          Fandango wants $71 for us two seniors and one adult. Monday afternoon. We’ll take our chance and show up at the box office. All the youngun’s should be back in school.

          • SoCalGal20

            Yikes! What theater do you go to?! Is that figuring in snacks?

          • TuuxKabin

            We DON’T go to the movies, more for the audience’s behavior, cooking sections smells, and always in the back of the mind . . . infestation and carrying said, home. We’ll have a change of clothes in the cellar, go directly there, get out of movie going clothes, throw movie clothes into ultra hot wash and ultra hot dry. /s

            And no. I don’t think that is figuring in snacks.

            I’m sure prices are less at the box office. Thinking of buying Coco as well. Tho it’d help to get a screen to watch it on, other than the lap top.

          • SoCalGal20

            Oh yikes! The pesky bedbugs. Yeah, that would definitely turn me off from the movies lol.

            Even in NYC you can get tickets for less during the matinee.

            You can get inexpensive flatscreen tvs these days. Might be something to consider.

          • TuuxKabin

            We’re both used to no tv that to get one now it would be a 800 lb. gorilla in the room. For now, la Bellona’s our home entertainment center. You know ’bout her, correct?

          • SoCalGal20

            Haha yes I do! I asked you to post a photo of her! How is she?

          • TuuxKabin

            ok. wi;; do, soon. she is on my lap at the moment. she is heaven sent. a joy and good company. we wake up with her between us. or a top one of us, four nights with us and she’s slept on the bed every night. Sigh.

          • SoCalGal20

            Awwww that’s great! What a sweetie!

          • TuuxKabin
  • Ninja0980

    Ugh, just saw another story about how Democrats need to come to terms with Bill Clinton before they can call out Roy Moore.
    All I’ll say this is this.
    Bill Mitchell, a far right Trump radio host, has been launching an all out war against the Moore accusers and saying since the one girl was a troubled teen, she shouldn’t be believed.
    And guess who gladly appeared on his show this week and said what a great time she had being interview by him.
    One Juanita Broderick, who said the vicious attacks by Hillary were just as bad as what Bill did to her and that is why she shouldn’t be President.
    And yet she is going on a show with a man that is doing all of the things to other accusers that she claimed was done to her.
    Sorry if I keep bringing this up but since media pundits etc. want to do the both sides crap, only fair to point out there are valid reasons not to believe many of the Clinton accusers.
    Actions speak louder then tweets and the fact Jones,Broaderick and Wiley have gladly gone on Fox and other right wing media while those people are attacking any accusers of Republicans speaks volumes to me.
    Bill Clinton is no longer in office, Trump, Moore and others are.
    Focus on them instead of someone who was a crappy husband who couldn’t keep his dick in his pants (IMO) but nothing more.

    • AJ Drew

      ok… well, HIllary is NOT POTUS, and any slime thrown at previous POTUS Bill Clinton involved women of legal age, oh, let’s say above 14yo, unlike accusations about Moore. Is one worse than the other? Umm… YES.

    • Lazycrockett

      They have waited 30 years to finally be able to go after the Clinton’s and they are hungry. Expect a lot more of this.

      • Ninja0980

        Only “good” thing is more and more folks are bringing up Clarence Thomas too.
        Shame there isn’t anything that can be done to remove him from the court.

  • Ninja0980

    On a different note, hubby and I just watched Aerial Ireland and Aerial New Zealand.
    Great addition to the Aerial America series, which I would recommend to everyone.

  • Blake J Butler

    I watched Jared Polis celebrate his thanksgiving, it’s not thanksgiving in his house without literally rainbow socks and food prep.

  • edrex

    happy thanksgiving all y’all. just returned from a fun dinner with all my loved ones, follew by a bonfire in the woods (!). having tea and becherovka by the fire with in-laws before ber. boa noche, everyone. sleep well.

  • blackstar
  • Ross

    I spent the whole day cleaning my being-restored-1894-house in preparation of my family-of-choice after Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow.

    After collapsing on a chair at 5:30PM, profoundly exhausted (like coma-level exhaustion), I snapped this image.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c3514f4d72313108cd641efc004c7225568acdbe9f8f8b950a283e419ed75f04.jpg

    • Moebym of the Returners

      Your house is gorgeous.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      We are truly not worthy.

      [golf clap]

    • edrex

      gorgeous! i want to hang out there. and i want that carpet under my dining table.

    • Treant

      There’s a small fleck of dust dated 1894 on that pedestal… 🙂

      It’s absolutely beautiful, but my sinuses are reacting to the age of the place from here.

    • Ninja0980

      Wow, nice digs!

    • Lazycrockett

      That woodwork is amazing.

    • SoCalGal20

      Beautiful!

    • AJ Drew

      Wuthering Heights lives!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Or at least “Meet me in St. Louis”

        • AJ Drew

          Hmm, meet me out on the out on the wiley, windy moors, we’ll discuss.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            “Catherine and Heathcliff” always SOUNDS like a promising sex game

          • AJ Drew

            yet it never ends well. (sigh)

        • Lazycrockett
          • Treant

            People never burst into song on public conveyances when I’m there.

          • greenmanTN

            That’s one reason I’m not a big fan of musicals. Plus I’m suspicious of overtly happy people. They’re up to something….

          • Treant

            Always. It’s always the “cheerful guy, very quiet, but I thought he was really nice” who flips out and goes on a shooting spree.

            You never hear that about, “He was a complainer and very cynical.” They tend to be the sorts who end up volunteering places for thirty years but you never hear about it.

          • coram nobis

            See “Cabaret” and you’ll find out.

          • JCF

            Heh, you’ve never been around me! My BFF calls me “JC, Songs for All Occasions”. Almost anything can remind me of a song, and then I’ll let loose!

          • Jwmvh

            I’m exactly like that too.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            It’s a sad commentary on the current state of affairs….

          • coram nobis

            That’s okay, as long as it’s not “Tomorrow Belongs To Me.”

    • AJ Drew

      Sleep well tonight then, if the aftermath of T-day kitchen cleaning is coming tomorrow!

    • AlternativeQuacks

      Beautiful.

    • MBear

      Fkg…wow

  • SoCalGal20
    • AJ Drew

      I think my final canine companion will be a Corgi. Years to go before then, hopefully. (equally hopeful, I think, are my current dogs!)

  • blackstar
  • Ninja0980

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37233c958e3a0e6a7f7ff049d5248be64274fa417fdffce5f58d73656006eda7.jpg
    Photo from Disney World a couple of years ago.
    Never gets old going there, ever.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Why is it that scum seem always able to find employment?

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/evgeny-courts-milo?bfsource=bbf_enus&utm_term=.hkkprpN3X#.vrQZrZQBK

    “Evgeny Lebedev, the media mogul who owns the Independent and the London Evening Standard, met with disgraced journalist turned right-wing activist Milo Yiannopoulos for lunch in London on Tuesday, BuzzFeed News has learned.

    According to a source, Lebedev, who also owns TV channel London Live, has kept in regular contact with the cheerleader of the alt-right over recent years.

    The meeting raises questions as to whether Lebedev is considering business opportunities with Yiannopoulos, who recently was exiled from US-based website Breitbart after an in-depth BuzzFeed News investigation exposing the ties between the British tech journalist, website chairman Steve Bannon, and the political alt-right.”

    • Ninja0980

      Bigger question for me is why the fuck anyone, especially a black man, would agree to marry this vile creature?
      Is the sex that good you’ll overlook everything else?

      • Treant

        Probably not, Milo strikes me as the sort who would flirt outrageously, get you hot and ready, then suddenly freeze up and lie there like a cold fish as he’s overwhelmed by memories of what his uncle used to do to him.

        More likely, said fellow was attracted more by the sugar daddies who funded Milo than Milo himself.

        • greenmanTN
          • Treant

            Actually…he’s not bad looking. Does he have a current swain?

          • coram nobis

            I don’t remember that in the tarot deck, but it’s probably a sign of prosperity.

          • greenmanTN

            It’s one of the major ar carnal.

          • Treant

            According to mine, it’s the Major Arc Anal. But whatever.

          • AJ Drew

            “If you’re sittin’ on a balloon, clap your hands…
            “Tarot says it means it might mean you got…”

            Hmm, no.

        • coram nobis

          Think of it as an endowment for the humanities.

          • Treant

            In this case, it’s not even well-endowed.

          • coram nobis

            Sugar daddies can be understanding.

            Jerry: I’m a man!
            Osgood: Well, nobody’s perfect!
            — “Some Like It Hot”

          • greenmanTN

            Just what the world needs, another bossy size queen bottom with a whine that must be translated by other high strung poodles.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Do not besmirch the regal poodle…😁

          • greenmanTN
          • JCF

            I so remember this Lynda Barry classic! [Because I’m old.]

          • William

            I had that on a t-shirt.

      • Reality.Bites

        Marriages are public records. Milo didn’t marry anyome

    • William

      Please, let Milo take a job in Moscow.

    • coram nobis

      Lunch in London with one of Putin’s confederates?

      Did Milo Yappypoodle bring a food taster?

      • AJ Drew

        apparently not.

        • coram nobis

          Let’s see if he has that glow.

    • AlternativeQuacks

      Lebedev is a very close ally of Putin’s. Milo is part of the pack of media whores in the West doing Putin’s bidding. Mystery solved.

      • Lazycrockett

        Milo is toxic and honestly I don’t think he has much of a shelf life left.

  • Moebym of the Returners

    Had a lovely Thanksgiving dinner at the next-door neighbors’ beautifully-decorated (with oodles of French art and antiques, no less) house. Pleasant conversation, pleasant company.

  • blackstar
    • whollyfool

      Omg thanks for posting. I subscribe to the NYT and I will ask them what on earth is going on.

    • billbear1961

      Thank you for posting this!

      I’ve read the thread.

  • coram nobis

    Husband and I had a pleasant Thanksgiving dinner in San Francisco with friends. Very good Dungeness crab (used channel locks — tongue-and-groove pliers — at the table, handy for cracking shell), chardonnay, Brussels sprouts in garlic, and finishing up with very good cheesecake with raspberry dressing.

    • AJ Drew

      nice! wish I were there… oh, that would be awkward.

      • coram nobis

        A very San Francisco thanksgiving. Crab was off the boat in Half Moon Bay this morning. Season was curtailed last year due to domoic problems, so the catch this year had larger and more succulent Dungeness. Good food and company.

        From the lone shieling of the misty bay
        Mountains divide us, and the waste of seas;
        Yet still the blood is strong, the heart is San Francisco,
        And we, in dreams, behold the Farallons.

        • TuuxKabin

          Early 60’s I’d take the cable car to Fisherman’s Wharf. P/U cracked crab, cleaned, loaf of bread, bottle of Reisling, new to this underaged drinker the time and hop the ferry to Angel Island for the day. Great escape and 360 view from the top. Met and was charmed by a seal that appeared to live in one of the coves. Lucille.

    • AlternativeQuacks

      You had me up until brussel sprouts, or as my college roommates used to call them, “little balls of bitterness.” There is no meal that brussel sprouts can’t ruin.

      • coram nobis

        Acquired taste. Crisped in olive oil with garlic, it changes their chemistry a bit.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          Hmmmm, yes. I usually steam with salt, pepper and garlic. Still crisp, I halve and dip in white vinegar…..
          Just discovered pickled garlic brussel sprouts. Mmmmmmm.

        • AlternativeQuacks

          There are least 50 other vegetables I would much rather eat. Parsnips are delicious.

          • AJ Drew

            50? Name ’em. Double dare!

          • AlternativeQuacks

            Roughly in my order of preference on most days:

            Peppers, Tomatoes, Peas, Green Beans, Artichokes, Mushrooms, Asparagus, Swiss Chard, Onions, Parsnips, Cucumbers, Carrots, Eggplant, Corn, Spinach, Celery, Potatoes, Zucchini, Tomatillos, Okra, Leeks, Fava beans, Radishes, Garbanzos, Snow Peas, Water Chestnuts, Broccoli, Radicchio, Beets, Plantains, Jícama, Scallions, Cardos (I don’t know what these are called in English), Watercress, Nopales, Sweet Potatoes, Yams, Fennel, Lettuce, Purslane (verdulaga), Cauliflower, String Beans, Squash, Chayote, Garlic, Turnip greens, Celery Root, Kale, Bok Choy and Cabbage.

          • AJ Drew

            True applause for going there, and I’m not gonna actually count. You win (but have you tasted *crispy* sprouts?)

          • AlternativeQuacks

            Nope.

          • whollyfool

            Shout out for purslane!

          • AlternativeQuacks

            nnnn

          • TuuxKabin

            Thanks. Will pick some up at the farmers market Sunday where it’s beginning to look a lot like winter roots will be the featured offers until further notice.

          • stuckinthewoods

            Have you ever made/had parsnip cake? Like most carrot cake it’s an oil-based cake, this with lemon flavor which complements the almost-spiciness of the parsnips. I make a “garden cake” which has one layer of carrot, one layer of parsnip, and one layer of zucchini (bread recipe tweaked into cake), three colors, yellow, green, orange, few other curiosities like a bit of potato starch.
            But the parsnip part is good in itself. I see there are a lot of recipes online which vary additional ingredients. Since my recipe has so many other things going on, I eliminate all other competing flavors but lemon and a whiff of vanilla.

          • AlternativeQuacks

            I’m going to have to try that.

          • stuckinthewoods

            I looked for a link for parsnip cake without a lot of additions or spice (just becomes a dense fruit/spice cake) but failed. So here’s the one I use with just lemon. Dry: combine 2 c. flour, 2 c. sugar (I reduce), 2 t. baking soda, ½ t salt. Wet: 4 eggs, 1 c. oil,1 t lemon rind, 2T lemon juice, 1 t vanilla, 4 cups coarsely grated parsnips. Beat eggs until fluffy, add rind, juice, vanilla, beat in oil. Mix in dry ingred. and parsnips until just combined (since soda+lemon is the leavening). Bake 350°, recipe says deep 8 in. pan (but I want a thinner 10 in. for mine).

      • AJ Drew

        I so disagree, if the brussel sprouts are cooked right… crispy, not mushy.! Yum!

      • Treant

        I think I read somewhere that a person’s ability to taste the bitter is genetic.

        My father found them inedible due to their bitterness, while the same brussel sprouts tasted great to me, like rich cabbages that I, the giant invading the village, ate from the fields, starving the human peasants… 🙂

        I’ve pretty much never found a vegetable I didn’t adore.

        • AlternativeQuacks

          That would explain a lot, actually. Although, my mom likes brussels sprouts and hates celery, and I love celery and hate brussels sprouts. So I can’t have gotten it from her. Maybe it skips a generation, since my tastes and aversions in food line up very well with my grandmother’s.

    • Scott Carpenter

      I’m trying to picture using my channel locks at the table, and instead I’m seeing all the engine compartments, toilet fittings, and filthy pipes I’ve used them on.
      I did once use my garage pipe torch to finish the top of the creme brulee, but that’s where I draw the line.

      • coram nobis

        You can always sterilize them — ammonia or ispopropyl alcohol will work for that — or just keep a separate tool in the drawer for designated kitchen uses.

  • Treant

    Well, still being a bit keyed up when I got home, I took the sheets off the bed and chemically stripped them (1/4 cup of borax, 1/4 cup of washing soda, hot water, let soak until the water doesn’t turn any darker). Then re-wash, scent with lavender, and make the bed.

    I’m a terribly low energy person, you see. 🙂 My mother’s also currently being driven nuts by the arthritis in her hip. Or, as she put it, “Screw this, I’m gonna go back to doing what I want and if I need it replaced I’ll just get it replaced.”

    Makes sense to me, I’m treating my left knee the same way. 🙂

    • Snarkaholic

      Does that recipe also work for greasy chef uniforms? Mine are too messy to spot-treat, so I added an ounce or two of Lestoil to the machine…
      …and it took FOUR cycles with hot water to get the Lestoil smell out, and the clothes were still greasy!

      • Treant

        You can certainly try! I just do it to get water deposits off, and not often. It’s pretty hard on the fabrics.

        • Snarkaholic

          Thanks.

  • greenmanTN

    To say I was NOT INTO Thanksgiving this year is a major understatement. This was my sole contribution. I bought a lemon/garlic pre-marinated raw pork loin and dumped it into a pan, slapped a slice of bacon on top, surrounded it with LARGE chunks of cabbage (unseparated), halved red potatoes, and coarsely chopped onions. Over this I poured a microwaved mix of bacon grease, minced garlic and ginger (pre-minced, so just threw a few tsp in), red pepper flakes, and canned broth. I would be surprised if prep took 10 minutes, more like 5. 20min uncovered, 40min covered, done.

    It turned out suprisingly good (the pork looked more poached than roasted though), better than it should have considering my lack of enthusiasm for the whole endeavor.

    • AJ Drew

      Other than it not being a Turkey, that, as a recipe at least, sounds pretty awesome, and thanks-yourself yum. Plus, you have us if all else fails. But that recipe sounds great.

      • greenmanTN

        I was surprised at how well it turned out. Normally I’m what I would call a pretty good cook and a couple hours’ prep is nothing for me (hell, tuna salad takes an hour!) so this was straight out of the FuckItAll Cookbook.

        • AJ Drew

          Does the FuckItAll Cookbook has a recipe for Tofu With Bacon?

          • greenmanTN

            No, but the SlightlyGivesAShit Cookbook does a pretty good Tofu and Leeks In Spicy Black Bean Sauce with pork strips and bacon could be easily substituted.

          • AJ Drew

            That actually almost sounds delicious.

          • greenmanTN

            It’s really good. A Chinese place in Houston made it and that’s what I always got. After I left there it was either never have it again or learn to make an approximation of it, soooo…

          • AJ Drew

            So you have the recipe… willing to share? Cuz it really does sound yum.

          • AJ Drew

            no recipe? ok. I’ll make my own version.

            Hey, what’s up with the kitties? Did you find new homes or are you still hosting them all?

          • greenmanTN

            Still hosting them all. Hosting is a good word for it since they can be parasitic little buggers! 😉

            The newest ones are still skittish unless I’m hand feeding them.

            Odd fact: I kind of share caretaking with a female neighbor. My biggest fans, my lap pals and purr buddies (I am TRYING to read here!), are all the male cats. The females like her best. The first kitten tamed, Puck, is actively hostile toward her (pooped on her bed while looking right at her) but loves me. He also wants to be an only child and is NOT nice to his siblings. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca728604115b43f4405ee651036c2e09464bde1a3694840a88066ef981ce252c.jpg

          • whollyfool

            Aw they’re getting big! 🙂 cuties!

          • greenmanTN

            Not really, because I’m not a cook who measures things, I just do them. (Which is why I don’t bake hardly at all. You can’t get away with that in baking unless you REALLY know what you’re doing.)

            Here is a recipe that is similar (a bit more complicated) but without the pork. http://panlasangpinoy.com/2010/07/07/how-to-make-tofu-in-black-bean-sauce/

            Here are some tips for my version, which is simpler:

            Firm or Extra Firm Tofu- fry separately in wok, remove, return later during stir fry
            Black bean sauce in a jar is SALTY as hell so use sparingly
            Spice comes from either chili-garlic sauce or sriracha
            Leeks are coarsely chopped, even including a bit of the dark green part (rinse to remove grit)
            Garlic
            Ginger
            Pork strips flash fried over high heat until crisp or almost (which is why bacon would work too)
            A little oyster sauce…
            Some corn starch and chicken or pork stock mixed…

          • AJ Drew

            Thankfully, I’m cocky enough with cooking that I don’t need actual measurements. lolz. But, truly, thank you.

          • Bambino

            “because I’m not a cook who measures things, I just do them. (Which is why I don’t bake hardly at all. You can’t get away with that in baking unless you REALLY know what you’re doing.)” Ha! That’s me. Never cook the same dish with the exact recipe. Friends and families get frustrated when ask for recipes.

          • greenmanTN

            Bingo. It does drive people nuts because even if 2 or more versions are all good they don’t taste the same. “What did you do THIS time?” If I’m experimenting and it comes out REALLY good I’ll sit down and try and remember what the hell I did.

          • Bambino

            I will be in trouble if the police ever interrogate me the way I remember my recipes 🙂

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  • AJ Drew

    On my mind. Blame Ross and his beautiful house? : )

    https://youtu.be/S9m5GiTkLk8?t=6s

  • AJ Drew

    Day after Thanksgiving story:

    Six years ago, the dog who has become my avatar was tied with a string and left on my back porch. He was tiny, sooo tiny. I had other dogs at the time that sniffed at him and backed away. Ruh-roh?

    Brought him to my Vet, fully intending to pay for whatever he needed but leave him there (they did adoptions,) but… gah, turned out he looked little and “fat” cuz he was starving and he was full of worms. Not adoptable. So… back home with me “for a while” and well… lil’ pup that even the Vet thought was a Jack Russell? Nope, not at all. With some Vet care and oodles of food, he bloomed, literally. Lanky, bossy, aggressively friendly lanky-legged Setter of some sort, and no one wanted to adopt him,,, yeah, except me, and I did. EH, why not, join the energetic pack. (Have I mentioned Shortstop? That’s another story, but she and he got along so, why not?)

    And that’s the origin story of my avatar, which started the day after Thanksgiving…

    • whollyfool

      Thank you for giving me yet another thing to be thankful for: kind and loving people. 🙂

      • AJ Drew

        I still hate whoever did that, though (who would abandon a puppy?!) But… I choose to believe s/he considered some best option and I was it. And if so, yeah they were right, I really am a libtard dog-lover, so… I don’t know. Maybe it was random, but here I am now with a 60lb dog whose antics make me both happy and angry every day, and that’s a good thing.

        • greenmanTN

          Here is my ‘saying’ for things that piss me off at times yet at other times make me happy. (Like my cats.) “It takes an irritant to make a pearl.” That’s what I say to myself, usually right after pointing at one (or all) of them and snarling, “I’ma smack the shit outta you!”

          • AJ Drew

            Not just a lol but a literal SNORT reading that; so true (and worse because neither of us ever would, and those furry ones know it!)

          • TuuxKabin

            I’ve learned “THESE things are sent to try me. AND they do.” First Thanksgiving dinner with Bellona, adopted Sunday, from ASPCA, has slight heart condition, adoption fee waived, she took the place by storm. While neighbors from down stairs were visiting with the bottle of champagne to celebrate Bellona’s arrival to the coop – they have an Abyssinian, Moz, aka, Moz the Monster by their own description – in comes Bellona, flipping a mouse head over heels. By the next morning there were six captures. She’s been resting on her laurels ever since and purring us to sleep between the two of us. Blood pressures have dropped. More smiles and laughing in the house. She’s the home entertainment center.

          • prixator

            Sounds like she felt that she had to clean up the house a bit before she could settle in.

            I hope that it’s the start of something great!

          • TuuxKabin

            Rearranging to her liking is more like it. We’ve had pets before. Cats and dogs, and there’s always been a period of adjustment. Not her. She climbed out of the carrier from the ASPCA and settled right in. The place feels quite serene with her presence. So, I think you’re on to something great, feels like it’s happening. Thanks.

          • TuuxKabin

            ETA to my reply. You’re avatar/icon is perfect.

    • billbear1961

      Thank you so much for taking care of him, AJ!

      • AJ Drew

        Bill, I keep re-writing this reply because no matter how I try to phrase it, it ends up with me thinking “what else would someone do if they found a puppy tied to their back porch?” and oh, I guess there are other “options” but I just can’t go there… I just can’t.

        • billbear1961

          Because you have a big heart–the exact opposite of the monsters on the right.

          • AJ Drew

            Thank you, and it’s a mixed blessing I suppose… If I were @greenmanTN and suddenly had 17 kittens at my door… hmm. Crap, yeah, I’d keep them all too (spay-neuter!) but grrr, yes.

          • greenmanTN

            Oh, yeah? What’s your shipping address? 😈

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  • BeaverTales

    OT: heterosexuality and possibly top/bottom dynamics?

    Focus: Intimacy and sexuality, gender and sexual diversity
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/the-big-brains-behind-canadas-goodsex/article37056097/

    Van Anders, who continues to receive Canadian grants, is studying the ways stereotypical masculinity affects how heterosexual men treat their partners’ orgasms. “We find that some men seem to see an orgasm in a woman partner as less about her pleasure and more about their own masculinity and achievement,” said van Anders, who published a paper recently on the subject with graduate student Sara Chadwick.

    They found that guys who were particularly fixated on their masculinity felt they’d failed as men if women didn’t orgasm with them. When women did climax, these men felt their manhood was bolstered.

    The whole experience veered away from shared intimacy into something more transactional: Men gave orgasms and women received them as passive agents.

    Prior research has found that sex is less satisfying and more saddled with performance anxiety when it’s treated as a means to an end. Van Anders points out that pleasure has value even without the end zone of orgasm. She wants a linguistic rethink – “experiencing” orgasm instead of “achieving” it.

    • Ernest Endevor

      From the Dept of ‘Have you Ever Met a Straight Man?’

      • Treant

        Define “Straight.” For that matter, define “sex.” 🙂

    • JT

      Van Anders’ conception of what’s going on seems rather hetero biased. The research might benefit from looking at gay couples, especially gay male couples, if her conclusions are going to be about the role “masculinity” plays in all this. I suspect that a lot of gay men, probably most, may feel disappointed if their male sexual partners don’t have an orgasm during sex. Would that mean we’re fixated more on our masculinity than their pleasure? If not, then what is the difference between this and what she claims to be finding?

      • BeaverTales

        I agree it sounds like more research is needed. At least the question is being asked and grants are being given. They should look at primate sex as well as gay men. …the evolution of masculine and feminine behavior has a relationship to both gender identity and sexual orientation.

        • JT

          The methodology itself sounds pretty suspect. They have men read stories and then report their reactions. And yet the conclusions purport to be about what motivates the men in their behavior. But no behavior is involved, and, in fact, the intimacy of actual personal or sexual contact isn’t even a part of it.

          Here’s the abstract:

          Orgasms have been promoted as symbols of sexual fulfillment for women, and have perhaps become the symbol of a woman’s healthy sex life. However, some research has suggested that this focus on women’s orgasms, though ostensibly for women, may actually serve men; but the mechanisms of this are unclear. In the present experiment, we hypothesized that women’s orgasms specifically function as a masculinity achievement for men. To test this, we randomly assigned 810 men (M age = 25.44, SD = 8.31) to read a vignette where they imagined that an attractive woman either did or did not orgasm during a sexual encounter with them. Participants then rated their sexual esteem and the extent to which they would feel masculine after experiencing the given situation. Our results showed that men felt more masculine and reported higher sexual esteem when they imagined that a woman orgasmed during sexual encounters with them, and that this effect was exacerbated for men with high masculine gender role stress. These results suggest that women’s orgasms do function-at least in part-as a masculinity achievement for men.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28276934

  • BeaverTales

    OT gossip:
    Malia Obama spotted locking lips with new boyfriend at Harvard football game
    Rory Farquharson, 19, the son of a British investment banker, is a graduate of the posh Rugby School where he was called ‘quite a catch’

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/malia-obama-spotted-locking-lips-with-new-boyfriend-at-harvard-football-game

  • SoCalGal20
    • TuuxKabin

      And his self fucking son. Maybe there’ll be some kind of structure failure . . .

      • SoCalGal20

        Haha I was thinking the same thing.

        • TuuxKabin

          Something you may enjoy, time lapse visualization of hurricanes and aerosols:

          http://earthsky.org/earth/timelapse-visualization-hurricanes-aerosols

          • SoCalGal20

            Very interesting! Wow there was a lot of smoke from those forest fires out West this summer.

          • TuuxKabin

            Yeah. When we left Richmond on AmTrak, headed east on the Zephyr, there was haze until Nebraska. Even Colorado was hazy. I have to go back and look again, I’ve gotten so east coast centric I was watching the dust swirl come across from North Africa, west in to the Atlantic.

    • Treant

      Tell me about it. They can’t even get the spacing right on the entire second row of names… 🙂

      But it probably should say “Featuring Donald Trump Jr. If He’s Not In The Pokey By Then.”

    • Michael R

      Where’s Richard Spencer ?
      None of these people are smart enough
      not to want to be associated with each other ?

      • SoCalGal20

        Funny you should mention him. POLAND got him banned from 26 EU countries in the visa-free Schengen area for five years. LMAO

        https://twitter.com/evan_rosenfeld/status/933826264988770304

        • JCF

          Poland did this recently? With their current conservative government, riding a wave of white (and anti-Semitic) nationalism, that rather surprised me…

    • Dazzer

      Is it bad of me to hope for a couple of well timed meteor strikes in West Palm Beach in mid-December?

      • TuuxKabin

        Any time of the year, upon that group.

    • JCF

      SAS 2017″

  • SoCalGal20

    Nice article on the solar microgrid Tesla installed at the Children’s hospital in PR.

    https://twitter.com/puertoricopur/status/934005825080786944

  • TuuxKabin

    All that talk about our pets at the table gave me such a dream:

    https://www.youtube.jcom/watch?v=y6NS77HLjEE

    • SoCalGal20

      I saw Coco yesterday! I loved it!

      Just a heads up, there’s a holiday themed “Frozen” short before the feature.

      • TuuxKabin

        Thanks for the head(s) up! Our dinner guest last night wants to join us. The more the merrier. Young new arrival from Asheville, does the cooking of samples at the farmers market, all ingredients from the farmers of course. A sweet, what’s younger than a millennial?

        • SoCalGal20

          Oh nice! 🙂

  • SoCalGal20

    Oh, hey, Twitter suspended another 45 Russian propaganda bot accounts after Buzzfeed did their Twitter’s work for them.

    https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/934024829321269248

    • safari

      Step 1: Look the replies to Donald’s tweets.

  • Alexander M R Volk

    I started a fundtaise for my birthday on Monday on fb for Ali Forney. So far about 350$.

    • SoCalGal20

      Awesome!

    • Dazzer

      WTG!!!!!!

  • Michael R