Some Alabama Pastors Back Moore Even If He’s Guilty Of Molestation: Some 14 Year-Olds Could Pass For 20

The Boston Globe reports:

None of the nearly 10 pastors reached by phone said the allegations of sexual misconduct changed their views about Moore. Several said the allegations made them more proud to vote for the former judge. Repeatedly, the pastors attempted to discredit Moore’s accusers in personal terms, with some dismissing their emotional stories as “crocodile tears” and “fake news.”

“I don’t know how much these women are getting paid, but I can only believe they’re getting a healthy sum,” said pastor Earl Wise, a Moore supporter from Millbrook, Ala. Wise said he would support Moore even if the allegations were true and the candidate was proved to have sexually molested teenage girls and women.

“There ought to be a statute of limitations on this stuff,” Wise said. “How these gals came up with this, I don’t know. They must have had some sweet dreams somewhere down the line. “Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”

More from AL.com:

“This attack on Judge Moore is an attempt by the Democrats to sway voters in Alabama,” said Pastor David Floyd of Marvyn Parkway Baptist Church, Opelika. “I don’t believe those women. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty.”

Pastor Franklin Raddish of the Capitol Hill Independent Baptist Ministries, a nationwide church, told AL.com from his South Carolina home that the spate of accusations against men in politics, Hollywood and elsewhere was a “war on men.”

“More women are sexual predators than men,” said Raddish. “Women are chasing young boys up and down the road, but we don’t hear about that because it’s not PC.”

But not all local pastors are still on board:

A host of Christian pastors criticized U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore and the conservative policies he supports on Saturday, and encouraged Alabama’s religious leaders to sign onto a letter denouncing the Republican’s “misguided candidacy.”

“It is an extraordinary and almost unprecedented thing for pastors to take a public stand against a candidate for public office,” said the Rev. Angie Wright, associate director of the Greater Birmingham Ministries and a retired United Church of Christ pastor. “But these are extraordinary times and requires all of us to take extraordinary measures.”

VIDEO: That’s Pastor Earl Wise in the middle, singing about “how beautiful heaven must be.”

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Treant

      4. Tappin’ That 12 Year Old Ass

      • worstcultever

        That will always be Dumpy’s special song for Ivanka. *gah, makes me shudder even to type*

    • Boreal

      Lurleen Lumpkin Songs:
      ‘Don’t look up my dress unless you mean it.’
      ‘I hate your lyin lips and false teeth.’

  • Do Something Nice

    Because it’s okay to sexually assault someone if they are 20. And I’m guessing that these ‘men of God’ have plenty of sexual experience with teenagers so they are speaking from knowledge.

  • So….who of us would hit on a 14 yr old if they looked like a 20 yr old?

    EXACTLY!!

    Poisoned by religion.

    • Treant

      Twenty’s awfully young for me (and it was when I was 20, for that matter). But, theoretically? I might make the pass, but the instant you find out they’re fourteen, you back the hell off.

      • Who doesn’t like a side piece? But really… 25 or 26 is about my limit.

        • Treant

          Ditto. With the level of fur I like (tons), that’s practically the floor value.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Well gee, you really killed ol’ Roy’s bone with that.

        • Treant

          Roy can still get a bone?

      • worstcultever

        Unless Cheezis says go for it! Or like Woody Allen says – the heart (dick) wants what it wants, who am I to interfere!

      • Ninja0980

        My friend was able to grow a beard by the time he was 15 so if he had been hit on, wouldn’t have been a shocker.
        But as you said, the minute some folks found out his age (and the fact he was straight) they backed the fuck off.

    • penpal

      Evangelism needs to be treated like a political arm, because that’s all it is. Those hypocritical assholes have no resemblance to the Jesus of the bible they’re constantly using as toilet paper. Religion didn’t poison most of these people. They’re drawn to the authoritarianism and their innate hatred becomes justified through it.

    • Galvestonian

      Even at 20 they don’t know just what to do. Always go for experience and you’ll have a much better time.

    • Todd20036

      Meanwhile, their chief claim that transgendered people should be discriminated against is that they are transitioning solely to be able to attack children.

    • ted-

      Well, a 19 year old did place my hand on his crotch once. Yeah, I was shocked too!

  • Sam_Handwich
    • AmeriCanadian

      They realize that Jesus is their only hope in life.

    • Treant

      Jesus: “Uh…sorry you…er…hot ladies…but I’m gay. Yeah, gay. PETER! Come show how gay I am!”

      • JohnJay

        Jesus continuing:
        “How could you not get the gay angle? I mean, I’ve actually said it… Peter means Rock… as in rock hard. Don’t you folks listen?
        Plus, when they came to take me away, by little beloved buddy John ran out of my tent naked. I mean, come on guys, read it. It’s in black and white.”

        • Treant

          “And who did I say I loved best? Not exclusively, mind you…but best?”

          • Joseph Miceli

            Are you familiar with the tale of the Centurion and his Servant? Luke7: 1-10, Matthew8: 5-13
            You may not really be joking. Jesus didn’t have a problem with same sex relationships, jut divorce.

          • Treant

            Yep. Per my sanctimonifundigelical cousin, he was just a a servant.

            “Naw,” I always reply, “They were fucking, just like Jesus was getting butt-hammered by twelve men.” It gets rid of her.

          • Joseph Miceli

            LOL, well any reputable secular Bible scholar will translate the word “pais” as “male servant used for sexual relations.” The Biblical scholars translate it as servant. I know who I trust to tell the truth more.

    • Boreal

      Hope jeebus likes Aqua-net.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Jesus always had good hair.
        Can’t lie about that.

        • FAEN

          And let’s not forget the abs.

          • Galvestonian

            oh and those muscled thighs, oh my, yes. Glutes to die for.

          • FAEN

            Clearly Jeebus is a gay man.

    • worstcultever

      The one on the left – most amazing helmet hair EVAH

    • Those are some ugly drag queens!

    • /

      I’m still not convinced that the one on the right isn’t young Stephen Fry doing drag.

      • Joe in PA

        LOL

      • marshlc

        Yeah, if the nose slanted off to the side, I’d say you were right.

    • fuow

      Oh, my. I am speechless.
      (After hitting ‘play’, wish they were, too. Anyone who thinks perfect pitch is a ‘gift’ deserves to wake up some morning with it.)*

      *Since somebody here is bound to note it’s genetically determined, let me add a big /snark to that parenthetical comment. Now pardon me while I go pop a few aspirins….the beat of their mis-matched ‘pitch’ even has third harmonic beats, for fuck’s sake.

      • /

        Removing their vocal folds would be an act of self-defense.

    • Joe in PA

      That teased hair looks angry. 🙁

      • madknits

        That hair isn’t teased, it’s tortured.

        • Galvestonian

          I think it’s a hair funnel used when you drain oil.

    • /

      Where are they now?
      Don’t tell me that they’re none-hit wonders.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR
      • Robincho

        Her performances are awesome. Ms. Fudge really packs ’em in…

      • Treant

        So every time I’ve fingered somebody, I was praising God.

        Good to know. I’ll let my fundie cousin know that on Thanksgiving as well.

        • /

          Visual aides may be required.

          • Treant

            Honey, at my age we still do it constantly, but we now turn the lights off so nobody gets scared.

          • /

            Please. I want the front-row seats, sans splatter gear.

          • Treant
          • /

            Color me scaintruiged.

    • MB

      I prefer REAL music with choristers, choir and organ !!!!!!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqsnfgVQuyk

    • Jay George

      Well there it is. You’ve given a voice to my nightmares.

    • Galvestonian

      Hell, they all look like guys I knew in high school with bad wigs. I think the one in the middle was a football player.

    • Jamie Brewer

      Some interesting reading on The Faith Tones… http://jbw53191.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-faith-tones.html

  • Renfield

    ” “Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”

    Maybe speaking from personal experience?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Hopeful plans

    • Snarkaholic

      “And when the Teletubbies Fan Club card fell out of her Hello, Kitty backpack, I thought it was a forged document…so she could pay Children’s Admission at the movie theater!” ~Roy, probably

    • David Walker

      His daughter?

    • stuckinthewoods

      He’s willfully misrepresenting the issue. There may be 14 year-olds who look 20. Moore wouldn’t have been interested in her if she looked to be 20.

  • Boreal
  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Anyone play the vid ? OMG

    • AmeriCanadian

      Some of us are NOT masochists.

    • Treant

      No. I already have gastritis.

    • /

      Unfortunately.
      Heaven is going to have some shitty-assed music.

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN
  • Boreal
    • Snarkaholic

      Look at that plunging neckline! Clearly an invitation!

  • Scout
    • fuow

      I said last week he needed to go. Got the shit kicked out of me for it. Will we ever learn?

      • Boreal

        Minn gov is a dem and can appoint a replacement.

        • fuow

          Exactly.
          But – even if Minn. were in the hands of the most evil mother-fucking christers: Either it’s wrong to sexually abuse women, children and men or it’s not. We liberals MUST take a stand for what’s right, not what is expedient.

          • Boreal

            I still have doubts as to whether Franken is being targeted so the tax bill can pass. Especially the first accuser’s credibility. I don’t know enough about this one yet.

          • William

            Franken is targeted for pointing out Jeffy’s lies about Russia.

          • Boreal

            It does seem like this is a concerted effort and after Roger Stone’s announcement they were coming after Franken, I had even more doubts.

          • fuow

            Nope, he admitted it. Case closed.

          • Boreal

            Case isn’t closed until we know more. Right now we know that one accuser also groped someone herself at the same event and almost nothing about the second accuser’s story.
            I waiting to find out more before I rush to judgement.

          • William

            Jeffy hasn’t admitted shit. He did claim to meet some Russians as part of his official duties as a Senator. That doesn’t cut it, he was at a campaign function, traveling on campaign money. That means he was off the clock as a Senator.

          • Franken has responded to Tweeden’s claims. — Franken has since issued the following statement: “I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann. As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn’t. I shouldn’t have done it.”
            https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23593762_10156786318008448_2625419512866592866_o.jpg?oh=53a0eb50247060028fdbc5ff3142df7a&oe=5A9A9DBC
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f08aced9001734780d59c6d1caafb84f674ca8461b171716c50bc7982af81dce.jpg

          • fuow

            Let me make myself clear. That photo (and nobody, including Franken denies it) is, in and of itself reason to demand he resign. What the fucking hell is wrong with you that you can’t see that?

          • The Alt-Right Propaganda Machine is Winning Because Americans Insist on Being Stupid: A Timeline of The Al Franken “Scandal”

            Al Franken is not the first sacrificial lamb — and definitely won’t be the last — as Americans refuse to acknowledge or take action against the fine-tuned Propaganda Machine that is omni-present on our social media platforms.

            America has its very own Joseph Goebbels, yet we seem to be either too ignorant to history, or too ignorant to technology, to acknowledge and deal with the massive propaganda machine that’s been assembled over the last 2 years here in America. Al Franken is just the latest casualty, and there will be more.
            https://medium.com/@Erinlank/the-alt-right-propaganda-machine-is-winning-because-americans-insist-on-being-stupid-a-timeline-of-e3bad99a51be

            https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*Yq–5MA13X4eHA0BwxIYdA.png

            It’s disturbing to see Americans still falling for the same dirty tricks we fell for the entire 2016 election season. We have the benefit of hindsight now and a cavalry of expert citizens educating us about propaganda and how to counteract it. Yet time and again, we are let down. Our media fails us. In their desperation for clicks they hop on any bandwagon that appears lucrative. And our people fail each other. They suspend critical thinking skills to line up on “sides” that don’t even truly exist.

            So let’s use this past week’s Al Franken “scandal” as an illustration of the latest pizzagate-style propaganda hit job against our common senses. These manufactured “news stories” always follow the same distribution and amplification process, with few (but detectable) variables.
            We start on Wednesday, November 15th at 10 PM — a full 9 hours before Leeann Tweeden shares her “#metoo” story with the world.
            When Roger Stone tweets, the troops assemble
            For an alt-right super-villain at the center of the “Russia-gate” conspiracy, American’s seem to be surprisingly unconcerned with the contemporaneous activities of Roger Stone. Suffice to say, he’s currently under federal investigation for his role in coordinating the DNC hacks with Guccifer 2.0, a “Russian hacker” who has since been identified by American Intelligence as an agent of the Russian FSB (aka KGB). But what he’s doing present tense to weaponize information as part of America’s flourishing Alt-Right Propaganda Machine appears to fly largely under the radar.

            Roger Stone, who was banned from Twitter several weeks ago for his repeated policy violations for hate speech and terroristic threats, teased the “Al Franken” news in typical Roger Stone fashion — via 2 proxy accounts at 10:12 PM and 10:21 PM respectively the night before Leeann Tweeden published her account.

            It’s important to remember here that Roger Stone is not a journalist or in the (official) employ of any media organization. He is a lifelong political operative who’s gained a cult following of “pepes” and “deplorables” through his connection with the Trump campaign and their network of alt-right media outlets who thinly-coordinate these propaganda campaigns.
            When Roger Stone tweets — the troops assemble. If Stone is a Propaganda Minister, then alt-right activists like Michael Cernovich and Jack Posobiec are his devoted gruntmen. They stand ready with a “digital army” in spades, and it doesn’t take much to signal the orders. Over 2 years, these players have fine-tuned their coordination in brazen fashion. That’s part of the way their disinformation has been successful. When it’s done out in the open, it somehow becomes harder to believe.

            So, by late Wednesday evening, the Twittersphere is abuzz with the impending Al Franken takedown courtesy of Roger Stone. Behind the scenes, it’s logical to assume that preparations are being made to ensure the story’s amplification and success (more on that later).

            https://medium.com/@Erinlank/the-alt-right-propaganda-machine-is-winning-because-americans-insist-on-being-stupid-a-timeline-of-e3bad99a51be

          • marshlc

            Yes. And 2010 isn’t 1980 – by 2010 even really stupid people knew better.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Ugh.

    • Treant

      She claims there’s a photo. If that’s the photo in question, she’s not reacting in any way surprised, upset, or annoyed. Also, Franken’s already been falsely accused once so, I’m sorry, but the bar is now higher. He’s clearly a target.

      • Scout

        I am a huge Franken fan, but I would say that women are taught to smile and be polite and nice through a lot of situations, and that while his face is smushed up next to hers, the angle of his shoulders makes it clear that if his arm is not hanging down awkwardly touching nothing, that his hand might be on her butt. Why would his face be touching hers, but no arm around her waist? His expression also seems a bit smug here, not a big teeth fake smile for the camera. Please correct me somehow, I don’t want this to be a true allegation at all. At that point, who can we believe as respecting women?

        • Treant

          You can’t actually see the arm angle, it could be at her waist, or, if bent, just below her left shoulder.

          And controlling shock with absolutely no change in facial expression? That’s some serious electroshock-reinforced teaching.

          And in front of her husband and the crowds at the Fair? Unlikely.

          Yeah, just for the initial story, I’m calling foul on this one until given better proof.

          • Scout

            Franken is not doing a great job of denying the allegations, either. He is sorry she felt disrespected, if I remember correctly. But the whole thing and timing . . . he is definitely a target. And I really hope Franken proves himself and is not destroyed by these allegations.

      • Scout

        I agree with what you’re saying and think its suspicious that her husband is a Republican. If we could read all her Facebook comments from back then, that would clear up a lot about knowing her thinking. Probably her family is very Republican/”christianist”.

    • The_Wretched

      The attempted comparison between Frankin and Moore is unhinged. And that’s with the assumption of all allegations as true.

    • worstcultever

      Oh fuck. No no no. For once I’m gonna sit back and let the chips fall and not react till more is known.

    • JCF

      I feel deeply torn. On the one hand: my default is to TRUST THE WOMEN.

      On the other: if each and every accusation against someone takes place in plain sight? [That is, they didn’t try to get someone alone, there were others present.] In that case, the possibility for genuine *misunderstanding* seems quite, well, possible. [But if any of this involves minors, fuhgeddaboutit!]

  • pj

    keep digging boys.

  • Michael R

    Try this :

    ” If a self righteous person does it , it’s not a crime “

  • geoffalnutt

    Go, Roy, Go!!! Take it all down!!!!

  • netxtown

    I’m glad to hear that age is not a qualifier for sexual assault. 4, 14, or 40…they’re all game. Besides, it’s not assault when you know they want it…

    /SNARK!!!

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Old enough to pee
      Old enough for me

      • JohnJay

        Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.
        … from Leviticus, I think./s

        • FAEN

          Ugh.

      • Christopher

        An old childhood friend of mine used to say “If there’s grass in the field, play ball!”

        Yeah, we haven’t been friends for years. I can’t imagine why?!

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Lol, geeez.

      • FAEN

        My ex brother in law who I often refer to was 21 when he got his first wife, then 14 pregnant. The girls mother was only too happy to give her away and they were married not too much later. You’ll be shocked to know that marriage didn’t last. Neither did his second. He’s now married for the third time to a woman 2 years older than his daughter from his first marriage.

        And THAT motherfucker had the fucking gall to talk about the ‘sanctity of marriage’ and how gay men were just ‘medically ill’.

        It will also not surprise you that he voted for Trump and believes Alex Jones.

        • Todd20036

          Nazis never see their own hypocrisy, because to do so would require them to see their own faults.

          I’m guessing you don’t see your brother much these days

          • FAEN

            Brother in law. And no, since his brother and I ended I won’t see him again. Not that I really wanted to.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          What a fuckhead.

          I have a current BIL. , who even though is estranged from his wife, pops in to use her shower ( he has no electric, sometimes ) then coercers her to do meth.
          She is on strong anti depressants and unable to make ANY decisions. He’s 58.
          Just found this out, I’m livid.

          • FAEN

            Jeebus your BIL is a fucking asshole.

        • worstcultever

          As I constantly say, it’s a tragedy there’s not more abortion in this world.

      • PickyPecker

        Old enough to sit at the table
        Old enough to eat

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Old enough to eat
          Old enough to make your own dammed food!

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    One of the 14 year olds in question was with her mother and Moore offered to watch her while the mother went into the courtroom. Do 20 year olds need someone to “watch them” while the mother is away?

    • AmeriCanadian

      You and your pesky logic.

    • lizdhm

      In the far right evangelical subculture, that is sort of what they’d think yes.

    • Todd20036

      Are they suggesting that 20 year olds are still in high school?
      Wait, this is Alabama, so maybe that isn’t the best argument.

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    • JT

      In Alabama, where your mother and father could also be your sister and brother, “family values” may involve anything.

    • This is the South. Unless you are a married female and have kids, you’re not considered an adult, no matter your age.

  • penpal

    Fucking pigs. Who would Jesus underage-finger?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Actually, we don’t know all that much about his extra curricular activities.
      There’s something there, I bet.

      • Snarkaholic

        True…that Mary Magdelene was an extreeeemly “friendly” sort, I hear.

  • FAEN

    I said it earlier but it bears repeating-this is where the GOP is now. This is what they have become, defenders of child molesters.

    • another_steve

      If Moore is seated as a senator next month, think of the 2018 campaign ads that the Democrats could run all over the country – in all elections at all levels of government:

      Are you planning on voting for [name of Republican candidate] in November? Did you know that he’s a member of a political party that has welcomed into its ranks a known child molester? A men who has degraded women and minorities? [and so forth…]

      • FAEN

        Yep! But regardless of if Moore wins or not the Dems should run ads in that vein anyway.

      • Ben in Oakland

        You,ol be pleased to know that I have given up on Ryan Reynolds. He will never be the man I want him to be, and he is not worthy of my love.

        Grant Gustin and I are now an item. Tall, slender, muscular, and he get’s better and better looking as he gets older. Ryan, on the other hand, is just getting older.

        • another_steve

          Thank you for sharing that, Ben. Grant Gustin is a very good choice. Slender, with those boyish good looks. Just like my Jared.

          (Btw, you cannot have any part of Jared. He’s mine. If you go near him, I’ll scratch your eyes out.)

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d93102d05465f46521b1d3581f60b46899e14215b700a7533a634f7d74ea8fb5.jpg

          • Ben in Oakland

            The Jared is ALL yours. In fact, I will personally fight off anyone who comes between you and the object of your desires.

            For myself, he’s done it with Ivanka, which means his Weenie has gotten far to close to trump for me. I don’t know where it’s been.

          • another_steve

            B..itch.

            I will purify the Jared before I allow him to touch me.

            I know all the Jew prayers.

          • Ben in Oakland

            There is no purification for anything that has touched its dna to trumps. I’m sorry to be the one to break it to you.

            Meanwhile, grant says he loves me totally, and will give me everything that Ryan said he would not. So I’m happy.

          • another_steve

            Grant will play with you for a while and then abandon you. You’re setting yourself up for sorrow, Ben.

            Jared (with the proper amount of food and water deprivation) will love me forever.

          • Ben in Oakland

            If he does, I’ll just go back to Ryan as soon as he begs me to.

          • JCF

            Now, Grant Gustin I can at least get. Jared, not so much.

          • another_steve

            Hear ya, JCF.

            You have to be there. Culturally. Jewish-ly.

            Jared (on a purely superficial and lascivious level) is perfection of “36-year-old wannabe Jew twink.”

          • Ben in Oakland

            Gawdalmighty AGAIN. That picture just makes me desperate to be 28 again.

            And his boyfriend. Oh wait! I almost forgot, I AM!!!

    • Nax

      Not only is the GOP defenders of child molesters, but so are conservative Christian pastors, (which, after reading the Bible, is less of a stretch).

  • Chris H.

    So that’s at least 10 pastors in Alabama that probably need to be investigated. Wanna bet there’s child porn on their computers.

    • Schnackenpfefferhausen

      Pity the young women in these ten congregations to have their so-called leaders publicly denigrate Mr. Moore’s accusers. They are most likely attending because of their parents and so getting powerful messages that being the recipient of unwanted or illegal sexual advances is their own fault.

  • Christopher

    Attention idiot Alabama voters:

    “This attack on Judge Moore is an attempt by the Democrats to sway voters in Alabama,” said Pastor David Floyd of Marvyn Parkway Baptist Church, Opelika.

    Change the word “attack” to information, and you’re absolutely correct.

    The Democrats are trying to inform you that you’re planning on voting for a sexual predator. We all know you don’t have a problem with sexual predators, given the fact that you all voted for Trump, but you should know that sexual predators are bad.

    Simple enough for you Troglodytes?

  • skyweaver

    “Several said the allegations made them more proud to vote for the former judge.” – – THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING YOUR CHURCHES, religious leaders. Too many people have either been molested, or love someone who has. And for you to wrap yourself in holiness and at the same time supporting evil behavior, your pews will just continue to empty

    • worstcultever

      “wrap yourself in TAX-FREE holiness”

      fixed it for ya

    • marshlc

      I’m hoping they’ll dig themselves into the “clear and open reprehensible behaviour” pit that the Catholic Church dug. The kind where even someone not paying close attention can see “this is systemic cover-up and widespread corruption” rather than “this is one person who was weak”.

      Around here, so many Catholic churches have closed, and there are almost no convents left at all; the ones left are filled with old, old, women. Priests have to be brought in from third world Catholic countries, and even then are in short supply, as nobody is entering the priesthood. Even people who have found a way to reconcile their conscience so as to stay in the church pay little to no attention to anything said by the hierarchy, because they freely admit the hierarchy is deeply compromised.

  • Buck Starr

    And, as more people flee religion…

  • chris james

    If they’re over 16 they have ID….should have asked to see it.

    • Jonathan Smith

      Or asked their mother?

  • There’s a recent case that I heard Dan Savage discuss. An underage girl lied online and met up with an older guy. Long story short, he is in prison for statutory rape even though he believed she was 21 because she lied. (The girl testified on his behalf in the sentencing hearing to no avail.)

    It seems that legally ignorance is no excuse. But that’s not even relevant here because Moore was well-known at the time to be interested in teenagers even though he was in his 30s. (To me that shows emotionally immaturity and that alone is enough reason not to vote for him.)

    • marshlc

      Shows that he knew damn well grown women wouldn’t be impressed by him, and wouldn’t fall for any of his shit.

      • worstcultever

        Important point about these assholes. It’s not the youth that’s the turn-on, but the vulnerability.

  • Jonathan Smith

    Out of surgery, in recovery.
    Still won’t let me see him.
    Ggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    • BearEyes

      is he still sedated where it hasn’t worn off yet?

    • worstcultever

      hang in there – breathe – keep us updated

    • Treant

      Give ’em a bit; he may be just coming out of it. According to the nurses, when I did that, I was swearing up a blue streak for no apparent reason.

      • Jonathan Smith

        I’ve been sleeping with him for 5 years😂
        Cursing,snoring,farting,stealing the pillows.
        Let me in to hold his hand

        • Treant

          He steals pillows? Mine steals the entire covering. Which leaves my butt out in the cold, shivering at 3 AM.

          They’re also busily cleaning up blood marks, making sure he’s awakening properly, and monitoring him. Those first 30 minutes or so in recovery are the most risky.

          My dad once woke up and thought he was wearing a red blanket. Nope, the place where they inserted the angioplasty tore open and…blood everywhere. Back into surgery with him to fix that, then cleanup, then back into recovery, THEN we could see him. While scary, no harm done, they caught it in seconds.

          • FAEN

            Pics of the butt?

          • Treant

            I wear plaid Daddy pajamas. Are you sure you’d want a photo of that?

          • FAEN

            The plaid can always come off 😉

        • Todd20036

          Could be he’s too frail even for someone to be in the same room

        • David Walker

          I don’t know, but I suspect this is your first time. Staff have gone through this before. It’s OK. And I will say that it was so wonderful to wake up to see Jack and to feel his hand in mine. But I was in and out of consciousness for a while. He may have been the last person, but it didn’t matter. It felt wonderful that he was there. We never married (living in sin just appealed to us) so we exchanged our own vows one evening early on in the relationship. “In sickness and in health” was one of them. We both put it to the test and it worked. Be OK. Take a deep breath, exhale nice and slowly, and he’ll be with you soon.

    • Galvestonian

      Hang in there babe … when I had open heart surgery the hubby was crawling the walls waiting to get in to see me. He got me through the whole terrifying mess – be positive, give love and be strong.

    • As your post was 2 hours ago, I’m sure you are with him now, but by way of explanation, the phase of care when the patient comes out of the OR is called PACU: Post Anesthesia Care Unit. While the anesthesiologist will bring the patient out of anesthesia in the OR, the aftermath of being under anesthesia is managed by the RN’s in the PACU. It can be challenging especially if the patient has anesthesia induced hypothermia. This requires all of their care and it would be upsetting for a family member to experience. So they aren’t excluding you just because, they are just trying to care for your husband as best they can and to spare you an upsetting experience.

      I hope all is well. Sending you happy thoughts!

    • JCF

      {{{Jonathan}}}

      {{{Jonathan’s Special Someone}}}

  • marshlc

    My go-to assumption here, absent evidence otherwise, is that anyone defending sexual predators has something of their own to hide, and they want to shut down all this “victims coming forward and telling their stories” shit down, fast.

    I’m holding this assumption pretty much across the political spectrum.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Now I’m hoping some people come forward and exposes these preachers.

  • andrew

    Moore could have raped a teen aged girl on the front lawn of a fundamentalist church and they would still support him. Their main interest is extreme right wing politics not some guy named Jesus.

    • Treant

      Well, of course. Also, did you see how short that little slut’s skirt was? She was asking for it.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    This is what kills me. They’re basically saying, “Hey, just attack children and say they looked old enough to fuck and it’s all right by us” and their followers accept it as fine.

    These pastors wouldn’t have any damn money or power if they didn’t have members who listen to that message and are completely fine with it. And they’re stupid to think he doesn’t mean THEIR children when in fact, the pastors are probably grooming the hell out of a bunch of their children right now.

    • FAEN

      Unless Moore et al was trying to fuck 14 year old boys. That would been too far for them.

      • AmeriCanadian

        I would love to see that theory tested. Really.

        Edit: By “see” I mean see the results of it happening, not watch it in real time.

        • FAEN

          No worries-I knew what you meant.

      • Natty Enquirer

        If that had been the case, Moore would have disappeared from public view as soon as it came out.

        • worstcultever

          At this point I’m not even sure of that. Cultists gotta cult. Absolutely nothing their lizard brains can’t rationalize. Was the boy an effeminate liberal? Well then!

      • CottonBlimp

        Wasn’t too far for the Catholics or the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Hassids or Eddie Long’s megachurch, or…

  • worstcultever

    They just keep exposing what they’re really about. Pure selfish depravity. And proud of it, by cracky!

  • Gene Perry

    14 yr old looked 20, my ass. A 14 yr old may loo 15, maybe 16, 17 on the outside, but 20? Hell no. And, it doesn’t matter . 14 or 20 or 40 or 92. Nobody should be groping nobody w/o consent!

    • marshlc

      A 14 year girl old can *look* 20 – I’ve seen that. But the minute they open their mouths – or, really, the minute they start moving around, the way they walk and hold themselves – and you know they’re just a kid.

    • CottonBlimp

      Don’t even give this bullshit a moment of your time. Roy Moore wasn’t creeping around high schools looking for 20 year olds.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    again, what was it about those transgenders in the bathrooms that scared republicans??

    • Treant

      That they were going to rape chil…

      Oh, you. I see what you did there. 🙂

    • Treant

      Also, is that a new photo? Because, dude…you neglected to tell us you were a hottie.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Unlike our prez i dont bloviate about myself. But thank you!

    • Friday

      Projection’s a way of life for Christianists.

    • CottonBlimp

      If kids actually met a queer person they might figure out their pastor is talking bullshit.

  • TrollopeReader

    Dear Boston Globe: if you talked to “nearly ten” pastors, you should be able to write ‘ seven, eight, nine’ ??

    • Tomcat

      Or three.

      • Treant

        Zero, but they totally would have said that if they’d asked.

  • MichaelJ

    Sounds like the Catholic Church, protecting their own at all costs.

  • Mike C

    “Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”

    This is helping? From a “pastor”? Only in Alabama…….

    • Treant

      BWAHAHAHAHA!

  • Nax

    But in heaven there is no beer.

    • Treant

      In Flying Spaghetti Monster heaven, there is. There are beer fountains and stripper factories.

    • marshlc

      That’s why we drink it here.

      • Nax

        And when we’re gone from here, our friends will be drinking all the beer.

    • JohnJay

      Whaaa? Well, certainly there’s wine. Jesus can always turn the water into wine.

  • MB
  • worstcultever

    In the same way that Dumpy’s wrecking the repukes, maybe Moore and his minions are helping to wreck the fundie xtian right. Hope so!

  • HZ81

    Now I can’t listen to Madonna’s This Used To Be My Playground anymore. Thanks, Roy!!

    • Boreal

      Turn on ‘Like A Virgin.’ instead.

      • Treant

        With some modification, you can go with:

        “Papa, don’t touch…
        …but I’ve made up my mind,
        I’m keepin’ your baby…”

      • Bambino

        He just keep on pushing over the border line.

  • JustDucky
  • BobSF_94117

    “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”

    Especially when Satan has them carry book bags…

  • Leo

    Your Hamilton68 Twitter update on Russian propaganda today!

    Between November 11 and November 17, we examined 55 articles that were among the top URLs shared by Kremlin-oriented accounts on Twitter. Over 40% of the URLs focused on sexual misconduct allegations; of those URLs, 42% attacked accused Democrats (or those connected to liberal causes), 4% promoted a narrative of a Saudi-linked pedophile ring, and 54% defended Roy Moore. Among pro-Moore articles, close to 70% attacked the credibility of the accuser(s), 38% attacked the media in general or the Washington Post in particular, and one story attacked Lindsey Graham for not defending Moore. Geopolitical articles were divided roughly equally between pro-Kremlin viewpoints on Syria (5% of examined URLs), anti-Saudi Arabia narratives (5%), and a focus on issues within the EU (7%). URLs focused on Europe promoted one of two themes: migrant criminality or divisions among EU member states.

  • jruffdc

    Christians are a threat to public health.

    • FancyThat

      — public mental health.

    • Bambino

      It’s more than a threat. It’s a pandemic.

  • safari

    Self-deception is apparently a virtue.

  • Daveed_WOW

    It really is the 1840s in Alabama. Build the wall!

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Will these jerks be in general pop or will they get special protection in prison?

      • Rebecca Gardner

        I would expect crimes of this magnitude to land them in a facility like ADX Florence. That would mean a life of solitary confinement.

      • Todd20036

        What did gen pop do to deserve having to associate with him?

      • Galvestonian

        …some damn country club Federal place with golf courses, heated pools, conjugal visitation and gourmet meals. Possibly even a place with no fences.

  • DoctorDJ

    Moore: “I plead insanity… I’m just crazy ’bout that young stuff!”

  • Leo
  • Lars Littlefield

    Of course, if Moore diddled under age girls it was because Jesus told him to do it. God approves, so do I.

  • Leo
  • JT

    Some Alabama Pastors Back Moore Even If He’s Guilty Of Molestation: Some 14 Year-Olds Could Pass For 20

    It’s hard to defend the indefensible without getting yourself into deep shit. Of course, they were in the shit already.

  • Jay George
    • Treant

      This. You fuck children, you’re garbage. You condone fucking children, you’re garbage. You vote for a child fucker, you’re garbage. You make excuses for those who vote for child fuckers, you’re garbage.

      There’s simply no excuse.

      • Jay George

        Agree x 1,000

  • clay

    “They must have had some sweet dreams somewhere down the line. “Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”

    So, now we know, Earl Wise has sweet sexual dreams of Roy Moore, or of men in their 30s. Also, why would Asst. AG Moore have to go fetch a 20 year-old from her mother for a “date”?

  • joe ho

    tweeden humps robin williams at uso show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKERuf_hwLw

    • Treant

      She assaulted him? God, you can see how sickened he is by how quickly he disengages from her.

      He should have sued. LOCK HER UP! END HER CAREER!

  • Friday

    Preachers expose just how vile they really are. Supporting molestation and calling it ‘sweet dreams’ while calling everyone they don’t like ‘perverts’ and abominations? No wonder Alabama’s so corrupt.

    • Bambino

      Closing your eyes kneeling before your bed and saying prayers before bed time is just getting children ready for these pedophiles. Nothing to do with religion.

  • Dean Cameron

    That Beautiful Hymn brought tears to my eyes and corks to my ears.

  • Bambino

    When a bunch of human with no basic understanding of common decency but relying on their religion for moral guidance yet still can’t get it right. Eye rolled. Might as well lose their limps and grow some fins and tails and head it back to the swamp.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e8f0dab3e914ff7976ecd60a67a32e57c91da0befd37da3a15de394e851d85d.gif

  • Cackalaquiano

    Pastors, of whatever stripe, are supposed to have been trained in ministering to people in deep distress. Counseling techniques, therapy, etc. These pastors are utterly morally bankrupt for turning and attacking the victims so openly. They’re doing more to discredit evangelical conservative Christianity than science and reason ever could.

  • Robin Bailey

    We need to start asking how much these so-called pastors are getting paid for supporting Roy Moore.

    • Joseph Miceli

      We need to start asking if their congregations aren’t filled with more girls with stories similar to Roy Moore’s accusers. These are evil men. I wouldn’t be surprised to find them acting the same as Moore.

  • Joseph Miceli

    I was a very socially inept 13 year old who looked 17. My first sexual experience was with TWO guys in their mid 20’s, way back in 1981. They picked me up on the levee, we went back to their place and did some oral and then they asked how old I was.
    At the time I though about how “advanced” I was, how worldly and debonair. What I didn’t realize then was the harm it did to me. I never got to go from friendship, to dating, to falling in love. I never had the tools for it and I never developed them.
    Fast forward to age 53 and I’m still here and still alone. I won’t say that having sex that young was solely what made me into damaged goods, but it was a major factor in doing so. No kid that age can really consent.
    I am very outspoken in my condemnation of child abuse. I didn’t think so at the time, but that is what was done to me. The damage simply took longer to show. It has taken me decades to realize this.

    • jerry

      Yeah, I probably started too young also…first started going to gay bars in 1979, a couple months before I was 16 (I’m now 54). And the first few pickups were all a lot older–late 30s/early 40s.

    • Ben in Oakland

      It may not have been your early sexual adventures at all. Don’t beat yourself up over it.

      My best friend is a dear, sweet, kind man whose longest relationship ever-car years now— is with a heterosexual married man who comes over every Monday. They never leave my friends apartment, and have only been seen in public twice. He has had a couple of boyfriends, but he was better off being friends with them than boyfriends. He almost always chooses unavailable men.

      The point? some people are not cut out for relationships.

  • coram nobis

    Sorry, but that’s not how age-of-consent laws work. Doesn’t matter if she looked 20, or if she said she was 20, if you had congress with her, you committed statutory rape. Strict liability. And these ministers making excuses for ol’ Roy should stick to preaching gospel and not practicing criminal law without a license.

    And someone hanging out at venues — mall, high school games — where teenage girls hang out suggests that 20 is not the age group the someone is looking for.

  • Gigi

    So they’d be A-OK with a 32-year-old gay man dating their 14-year-old son?

    • GanymedeRenard

      Only if the boy looked 20.

  • PR
    • Ben in Oakland

      Is that Gacy?

  • Galvestonian

    Yeah, them 14 year olds are asking for it – boy or girl – old Roy just knows they is just begging for him to snatch them neked and have his way with their wanton, nubile, lusting bods. Somebodies gotta break them in, why not ol’ Roy.

  • Richard B

    This sounds a lot like Bill Donohue of the Catholic League and the excuses he made when thousands of priests were caught molesting thousands of little pubescent boys. It is fundamental that adults should never use their authority status to compel children to yield for their sexual gratification. The fact Roy Moore preyed on young girls not once or twice, but repetitively making him a serial sexual predator of children. This speaks to the quality of this man’s logic and decision making. It speaks to his character. It is heinous, he purposely distracted the public to deflect away attention from his own criminal sexual misbehavior by viciously and relentlessly attacking the LGBTQ as criminals worthy of being put in jail. Now we know why he did this. It speaks to the hypocrisy woven into his character. What is dangerous and troubling about Roy Moore is he relies on Alabamans as being simple, gullible, superstitious people. He uses his preacher like charismatic personality to swoon them into believing just about anything. Roy Moore is a profoundly dangerous and flawed hypocrite. He the worst kind of sexual criminal that belongs in a prison cell and not in the chambers of the United States Senate.

  • iambu

    He wasn’t LOOKING for 14 year-olds who could pass for 20. HE WAS LOOKING FOR 14 YEAR-OLDS.

  • AlternativeQuacks
  • Halou

    What next! The kids seduced poor Roy Moore?

    • TexasBoy

      Just like Lot’s daughters, no doubt.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Moore’s a Baptist. So he couldn’t have been drunk.

  • TexasBoy

    Oh, it must be Karaoke Sunday.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    …and they wonder why people are leaving religion, I can’t imagine why….

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Read my new book, Upside down: Trump, Evangelicals, and NAMBLA in the Age of Enlightenment?

  • Ninja0980

    Crap like this is why I left religion almost 16 years ago and haven’t looked back.

  • Kevin Andrews

    There is the frosting on the cake of the Christ-O-Fascist bastards. One lies and they all swear to it. Nothing thrills them more than having the ability to vote for a Pedophile for Senate. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/be3f7dce7da7066b580370de72187248b4d349d6a19718b73fedf79ec8d34aff.png

    • Ben in Oakland

      The Bible is e trembly different than what the Bible actually teaches.

  • GanymedeRenard

    I doubt these droll pharisees would be so lenient if 14 year-old boys were the victims instead of girls. Patriarchy at its best.

  • pgarayt

    Some banks look like they want to be robbed.

  • The Milkman

    Wow. Just… wow.

    This level of stupidity will be our country’s undoing. The rot from within.

  • Clive Johnson

    Conservative Christian southern culture, thy name is vileness and lies.

  • Clive Johnson

    10, 12, 14, they all look like 20 year olds to these Alabama preachers.

  • Tor

    Conservative christians cannot come out of this looking good.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    I think we need to investigate the Pastors to see what they are.

  • Mike Knife

    Roy can always get a job as a Catholic priest all he has to do is join the Catholic pedophile cult.

  • Hank

    “Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”

    Obviously, none of these people, have ever watched Law & Order: SVU!!!! How “mature” a girl looks does not matter, when she is below the age of consent!!!

  • These “men of god” have no morals, no scruples and serve not god, but their own base desires.

  • Robert Adams

    55?? It looked like 88 to me, Officer.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    My danger is 20 and looks 14 years old. If Moore is so stupid he can’t tell the difference, perhaps public service is not where he should be.

  • JCF

    “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”

    And once I’m hard, the time for due diligence is OVER! /s

  • Ed

    Charlie Rose Sexual Assault Accusations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUw9DS8DKVw