Senate Panel Erupts In Shouting Over Tax Bill [VIDEO]

CBS News reports:

A shouting match erupted in the Senate Finance hearing over the Republican tax overhaul, with Ohio Democrat Sherrod Brown and Utah Republican Orrin Hatch arguing Thursday night over who benefits from the GOP plan.

At the heart of the argument is new analysis by congressional number crunchers that finds this plan cuts taxes at first but by 2027 actually raises taxes for anyone making less than $75,000. “When the Republicans are in power, the first thing they want to do is give tax cuts to the rich. That’s just what’s — it’s in their DNA,” Brown said.

“I’ve been here working my whole stinking career for people who don’t have a chance. And I really resent anybody saying that I’m just doing this for the rich. Give me a break,” Hatch said. “I think you guys overplay that all the time and it gets old. And frankly you ought to quit it.”

  • Adam King

    “Stinking career.” Finally Hatch tells the truth.

    • Droz

      Beat me to the punch.

    • PeterC

      Senator Hatch is full of SHIT.

      • Snarkaholic

        Whorin’ Snatch!

      • Nowhereman

        And he just may become our next president.

    • Reality.Bites
    • (((GC)))

      Stopped clock… Twice a day…

    • Steverino

      “Career? I don’t need no stinkin’ career! Bwahahahaha!”

    • LaChatSayWha

      This asshole has been prominent in politics and pushing his selfish, hateful agenda my whole life. And I’ll be 50 in a couple of years.

      I am so tired of these ancient, craven assholes & the incredible amount of power they have over our lives. It’s also really discouraging that this shitscab seems only moderately right-wing compared to many of his party members. He seemed unusually reactionary in the godforsaken 80s.

  • BlindBill

    but the numbers …

  • Tawreos

    Their belief in trickle down is so strong that it overcomes reality for them.

    • Bluto
      • BobSF_94117

        It would be more realistic if the little glasses in the last pane were cracking.

        • Christopher

          I was thinking the same thing!

      • agcons

        There is a more vivid cartoon, which naturally I cannot find easily right now, that used birds on tiered perches. Of course the birds on the lowest perch represented the poorest citizens, and of course they were covered in shit from the tiers above.

      • LeeCMH

        Notice the GOP has long since quit calling their wealth transfer to the already rich Tickle Down.

        Since Reagan, there has been no trickle.

    • jonfromcalifornia

      I know. GW Bush tried it and failed miserably throwing the country into a deep recession. Kansas tried it and failed miserably and ended up with a huge budget deficit. But still they go at it over and over again. It’s either stupidity or madness. Probably both.

      • Tawreos

        It’s like religion they think if they just keep trying and believing it hard enough it will somehow be true.

  • olandp

    Hey Orrin, when you quit it, we’ll quit it.

  • Droz

    “But Jesus is going to come back way before 2027, so I don’t see what the problem is.”

  • Bluto
  • Harveyrabbit

    “And I really resent anybody saying that I’m just doing this for the rich.” I’m doing it for me and my family too!”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/769b90869d7e2c62752c07db190bae8a8ace0487cb69d095db2792655877e015.jpg

  • Gustav2

    Orrin Hatch, you have had a career that stinks.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Orin needs a diaper change and nap.

    • JCF

      LOL (Ew)

  • Butch

    At least you can tell Brown’s argument struck a nerve. Hatch knows perfectly well what’s in the bill. I just hope hell is readying a room.

    • Gustav2

      So his planet should be on fire?

      • David L. Caster

        A hot Jupiter.

  • jruffdc

    Methinks doth protest too much

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Republican Senators know that by 2027 Democrats will be back in power and will be accused by Republicans of raising taxes on persons earning less than $70,000. This was well planned. They know precisely what they are doing.

    • Joe in PA

      So, Dems come back and hike rates ONLY on the 1%ers…win win.

  • j.martindale

    Lying comes to them as easily as breathing.

  • worstcultever

    We need LOTS and LOTS more of this – dems going hammer & tongs after these Koch-fellating, lying, granny-starving fuckweasels.

  • William

    It’s tragic that Hatch couldn’t find honest work, like holding up liquor stores.

    • Gustav2

      In Utah? Then he would be a Mormon Crusader!

      • worstcultever

        Or maybe being a coffee-bean bootlegger.

      • William

        He might have to drive to Nevada.

        • Gustav2

          Or Park City.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Hatch should realize those comments come because the Republican economic plan hasn’t changed in decades.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/–huadRMdTnM/Vah_0MQolGI/AAAAAAABQ-I/yw5X8yJLxL4/s1600/man-working-hard-for-the-money-animated-gif-clr.gif

    • netxtown

      shouldn’t the guy in the back be fucking the blue shirt as well?

  • j.martindale

    And the stupid Republican voters fall for the lies year after year.

    • Joe in PA

      On Toomey’s FB page he posted links to various Tax “reform” items…it was almost universally condemned, except for a few holdouts: “Thank you Senator Toomey for thinking of the middle class!”.

      And that was NOT snark.

      The stupid, it BURNS.

  • OdieDenCO

    love the line about hatch growing up lower middle class and having nothing. to bad he doesn’t remember the what it feels like to be poor.

    • Joe in PA

      I heard he wore bread bags on his feet…so there.

      • Fifth-and-a-Half Element

        Say what you want about bread bags…when it really used to snow back in the day, those things were great at keeping your feet dry when your parents couldn’t afford decent boots.

        • Yes, it was nice not to have cold wet feet all day long.

        • JCF

          Heh, I remember a co-worker of mine (back in the 80s, in Portland OR) who’d grown up in Syracuse NY: he told me about the bread-bag thing!

    • Longpole

      Hatch reminds me of guys like Ken Lay the Enron dude. He grew up poor too. These guys don’t ever want to remember being poor.

    • LaChatSayWha

      In his defense, it was 80 years ago.

  • BeaverTales

    There are a number of ways to weaken a central gov’t from within. The top 3 IMO are:

    1]Deprive it of income by giving the biggest earners the biggest tax breaks.
    2]Saddle it with enough debt that your children will become serfs paying it off for generations.
    3]Allow corporations and churches to have money without questions from the government (off shore accounts, violate Johnson Amendment-check, check)

    Once society breaks down, the corporations and churches step in to take the place of the democratically elected government.

    How do you get a GOP paradise? Create a banana republic run by theocrats and kleptocrats…so much fun!!!

    • LaChatSayWha

      4) drive talented, intelligent people from the country with policies that discourage investment and development so the serfs are more isolated.

  • BobSF_94117

    “I’ve been here working my whole stinking career for people who don’t have a chance to drill in the national parks.”

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Class warfare.

    Don’t dream it. Be it.

  • Leo

    What I hate about this clip is Orrin was able to cut off his comments based on seniority for this committee. Brown wanted to go all the way in calling him a liar, you could tell. Hatch’s temper tantrum here was way too revealing and it’s refreshing someone finally got under his skin – normally he’s frigid and falling asleep.

  • ClevelandJim

    LOVE me my Sherrod!

    • Joe in PA

      Show off. 🙂

    • Gustav2

      One of the few Senators who still writes handwritten notes to constituents who are not major campaign contributors.

    • worstcultever

      He’s been damn good forever. Let’s step it up dems, go on a tear! What’s there to lose at this point?!!!

  • Joe in PA

    I predict they are gonna pass this POS. If they can get a moderate like my house rep to flip…they’ll flip the remaining senate folks.

  • shrumpi

    And this will be next…we are all truly fucked. And Putin sits back and laughs…
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c622ceefd42cc038f0c5bffefe3b7ba734b1f7d8d39538a984363eb88257907.gif

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Better that than a knife in the back and a smile.

      • shrumpi

        Indeed…

    • rextrek

      …I want them to Get mad – the DEMS are to MEEELY MOUTHED – Im PHN Tired of Dems calling the GOP their Friends…THEY ARE NOT! Phkn start yelling — throw down the carpet!

    • Good! At least we know the dems have a backbone and are prepared to fight to protect us

      • shrumpi

        I hope you are right…enough is enough…

      • andrew

        The Democrats in Congress can’t do much to protect us if they are outnumbered 52-48, 53 counting the V.P. in the Senate and 240-194 in the House. It is us rank and file Democrats who have to put up a huge fight in November 2018 and change those numbers but I’m sure you know that in non-presidential elections the great majority of voters don’t bother to vote.

  • Charles Nelson

    Hatch: “I have been brown nosing the rich for decades…how dare you imply that I have been brown nosing the rich! Pay attention only to what I say…not to what I do”

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    This Orrin Hatch quote really illustrates the problem: “If we work together we can pull this country out of the mess it is in….and we can do a lot of the things you’re talking about too”.

    Hatch sees Republican issues as “fixing the mess” and Democratic concerns as side issues that aren’t real problems.

    • worstcultever

      “The mess” = ordinary non-rich people being able to eat, support themselves & families, have a modicum of enjoying life rather than being stressed to death every second of every day – this really IS what pukes consider a “mess.” And they are hell-bent on stopping it.

    • The_Wretched

      I can’t take Orrin seriously. The tax bill is a wealth transfer from the poor to the rich. Vox had an explainer how the child tax credit in the bill has an income phase in, poorer get less of it richer get more. It’s risible. Orrin is upset that openly describing the bill makes it less likely to pass and the Republican masters will be upset.

      • LaChatSayWha

        I guess that’s why a man who was considered far right wing in the 80s and 90s now represents a more moderate rethuglican compared to many of his fellow party apparatchiks. He still has some sense that he’s a shameless, conniving whore. Depressing.

  • Kevin Andrews

    More Kabuki and fraud on America from traitors and Meat-Puppets for the Corporate Super-Person. There is no representation of We The People in Government now or ever with the purchased politicians.

    • The_Wretched

      Yep

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  • Joseph Miceli

    Tough shit, Orin! Stop being a whore for the rich and maybe I’ll start believing that Republicans sign away their souls.
    Asshat.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      You know, this is what gets me. If they’re going kiss the asses of their corporate masters, they need to stop whining when people notice and hate them for it.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Exactly! “Don’t call me a whore…that’ll be Twenty dollars. “

        • William

          More like twenty thousand dollars.

  • Do Something Nice

    I thought Hatch was going to cry.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    As pointed out by a commenter on the radio, what the GOP want is a SALARY tax, not an income tax. They just want to keep lowering the rate for everything that’s NOT generated by the sweat of one’s brow (or the typing of one’s fingers).

    I knew in high school that the GOP were pretty much corporate whores. Dems and people leaning non-GoP need to stop playing nice and just roast them for what they are.

  • Luther Kreiger

    Sorry buddy, you don’t get to whine about people saying something repeatedly when every word is true.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Someone did some analysis of cell phones that pinpointed locations of the owner and found that indeed this Trumpie shit actually did cause Thanksgiving separations or curtailing length of stay. I believe this trend is only going to get worse.

  • Scott_Lumry

    “…stinkin’ career…” ’bout sums it up, right there.

  • LeeCMH

    Thank you Sherrod! This is why I voted for you.

    It is time to vigorously call-out the hateful Republican lies.

  • JT

    “I’ve been here working my whole stinking career for people who don’t
    have a chance. And I really resent anybody saying that I’m just doing
    this for the rich. Give me a break,” Hatch said.

    He’s right about one thing. His career definitely is a stinking one.

    • kareemachan

      ….

  • andrew

    I have often listened to speeches by Senator Sherrod Brown on CSPAN and he is a great spokesman for average Americans. I sure wish Pennsylvania had Brown instead of Toomey as our Senator.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Remember reading an article that listed Mormons in high level corporate positions, uh, there’s a LOT of them. Mormons really do love themselves some multi-nationals. The wealth their Church has accumulated is staggering.

    Hatch’s scheme is worse than just short changing the populace at large. It’s a way to transfer wealth to his cult. It sounds paranoid but it’s true.

    • LeeCMH

      About a decade ago, I wrote Hatch’s office to give my views about legislation he was leading that would affect me. I don’t live in Utah.

      His office replied, since I am not in Utah, they do not represent me and have nothing more to say.

      Really?

      Taxation without representation,.

    • And from my time in Corporate America in Seattle / Bellevue / Redmond (think two globally dominating, multi-national corporations), interestingly, I found that a vast majority of Human Resources professionals & executives were members of the church of LDS.

      Wonder who gets preferential hiring treatment?

  • 2patricius2

    My, my my! Mister Orrin Hatch got so defensive about how poor he was fifty years ago, and how many bills he passed, that he forgot to address the facts. Or maybe he didn’t want to address the facts because he couldn’t justify his plan. He was following the Drumpf and Republicant playbook of “divert and get self-righteously huffy.”

  • Lars Littlefield

    That’s our Borin’ Orrin He’s never been poor a day in his life The only reason he’s the Senator from Utah is because he was a citizen pf Pennsylvania looking for a senate seat he could flip. Utah just happened to be available at the time. He is truly an authentic asshole.

  • Blackfork

    Overplaying? As in the trickle-down overplaying? As in family values overplaying? As in the tax and spend overplaying? Fuck you, Hatch. Retire already.

    • ECarpenter

      They don’t tax and spend. They borrow and spend. Starting with Reagan, when the Republicans are in power, the national debt increases much more than it does under Democrats. Democrats like Clinton and Obama reduced the growth.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Go fuck yourself Orin.

    “House GOP’s Tax Bill Would Trigger A $25 Billion Cut To Medicare”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/besides-killing-aca-mandate-gop-tax-bill-triggers-25-billion-cut-to-medicare

  • Richard

    ” my whole stinking career ” ??? so he’s saying his career stunk ? Millionaires
    in congress writing tax code for millionaires and billionaires…..
    and these Republican millionaires want you to believe they’re all for the
    average schmo…. LOL….. And the sad part is, these average shmos
    keep voting to put these millionaires like Hatch back in office, election after
    election…… Don’t complain when your income tax goes up or you lose healthcare coverage, or student loan tax deductions, mortgage interest deductions, state tax deductions all go away…. Especially if you voted for Republicans!!

  • ECarpenter

    The problem with your comment, Mr. Hatch, is that the permanent record shows that Republicans consistently, decade after decade, increase taxes on the poor and lower them for the rich.

    Perhaps you don’t approve of that – but if so, why do you vote for those bills?

  • Nowhereman

    We’ll quit it when YOU quit it, Orrin.

  • JCF

    Sherrod!!!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/msKNSs8rmJ5m/giphy.gif

    Facing a tough re-election fight next year: GIVE! https://www.sherrodbrown.com/

  • LeeCMH

    Where did Orrin hatch?