Sen. Al Franken Apologizes After Groping Claim

The Washington Post reports:

Broadcaster and model Leeann Tweeden said Thursday that Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) “forcibly kissed” her and groped her during a USO tour in 2006, saying that “there’s nothing funny about sexual assault.”

“You knew exactly what you were doing,” Tweeden wrote in a blog post for Los Angeles radio station KABC, for whom she works as a morning news anchor. “You forcibly kissed me without my consent, grabbed my breasts while I was sleeping and had someone take a photo of you doing it, knowing I would see it later, and be ashamed.”

In a statement, Franken said: “I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann. As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn’t. I shouldn’t have done it.”

Breitbart is reacting as you’d expect.

  • GeneInSJ

    This is getting old….

    • Pip

      ^Said every woman and girl everywhere.

      • GeneInSJ

        Yes, that was a knee-jerk comment I should have thought out.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Lots of influential queer people are calling for his resignation.
    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/931184241412632576

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      Yeah let’s take political advice from 25 yo perfect worlder

      • gaycuckhubby

        🙂

      • gaycuckhubby

        She’s actually really pragmatic

    • Tread

      Ellison? Oh, so this person is a BernieBro.

      • gaycuckhubby

        No. She is most definitely not

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Bernie Brodom is a state of mind.

          • Jonathan Smith

            at this point……
            Bernie boredom is a fact of life

      • Lumpy Gaga

        DING! DING! DING!

    • AlternativeQuacks

      I have absolute zero idea who Parker Molloy is. Never heard of him. Is that supposed to be an “influential queer person”?

      • gaycuckhubby

        She’s twitter famous 🙂
        And also brilliant

        • AC

          if you say so

        • Tread

          Brilliant in what way? Because all I see is someone who is a self-righteous Twidiot.

          • Card

            I’m left-wing, ultra-liberal, but I’m also cognizant of the fact the world is NOT black and white, and I’m really getting sick of this idea there are not degrees of consideration to be made. At a certain point, common sense regarding intent needs to be applied and I’m almost to where I can empathize whenever a RWNJ goes off about “social justice warriors.”

            When I was 16 and working my first ever job, I was sexually harassed and inappropriately touched by a female supervisor after hours at a fast food restaurant, so I can talk about this from a position of experience. I’ve also had plenty of unwanted advances, comments, and touches from both men and women.

            When we talk about mental health from a treatment perspective, we often consider a biopsychosocial model, whereby the “-psycho-” references the fact that a significant portion is the individual’s psychology and therefore involves a level of responsibility on the part of the person. Which includes recognizing that situations are rarely all-or-nothing.

            Should we only touch others with permission/be respectful in speech and actions? ABSOLUTELY.

            If we do otherwise? That DOES NOT mean it is the end of the world and that every person guilty of such an act should be crucified, particularly without a full consideration of the circumstances. I’m sorry, me touching your clothed a**, you touching mine, or wolf-whistling when someone walks by will never be the same as rape, aggressive fondling, or flinging semen at Jodie Foster. And if you think so, you really do need to get a grip on reality.

            *pushes soapbox back under bed

          • Tread

            Wait, was that directed at me?

          • Card

            Not at all–I was really just trying to respond within the thread and wasn’t careful enough about which “reply” I hit 🙂

          • Tread

            I figured. 🙂 Great response to whoever you were responding to.

          • Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We also need room to be allowed to discuss this kind of thing without having someone jump down our throats with both feet. Yes, I’m a man, but *also* have been on the receiving end of harassment and abuse. There are degrees to this kind of thing, and context, and intent. All of these stories, just the ones we’ve heard so far, are NOT equal. And not all of them are equally credible either.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Ignore this tweet and follow her. Pretty sure you will like her 🙂

    • romanhans

      “Influential queer people”? She comes across as quite sanctimonious, and full of herself. Yeah, please tell us who should replace the comedian who acted weird ten years ago ENTERTAINING DUDES IN A WAR ZONE.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Christ, why do men feel that it is appropriate, or at all funny, to grope someone? It happens to gays and straights and it’s just plain, fucking wrong!

    • james1200

      At least Franken apologized, unlike the pedo in Alabama.

      https://media.giphy.com/media/26hitP8xT13u8GgBq/giphy.gif

      • gaycuckhubby

        He already has. Im happy to see that

        • Lizard

          Yeah, give him at least that much credit. He (or at least his office) was on it.

    • /

      I’ve had women grope me inappropriately, figuring that it’s okay because I’m gay. I’ve also had women grab my hand and shove it on their breasts because apparently, that’s fine since I’m gay.

      Most sex offenders are men, but I’ve been quite surprised at how heterosexual women sometimes feel they can take liberties with a guy because he’s gay.

      • Todd20036

        I’ve never had THAT happen. Maybe it’s because I’m not too social, nor do I have many straight friends.
        I wouldn’t tolerate a boss doing that to me, however. Though after being in the same place for 22 years, I do have some seniority to fall back on.
        That being said, that really does stink what happened to you. (no sarcasm either)
        People would not take your complaints seriously, though I’d still report it to HR if this was a work thing

        • /

          I’ve had it happen with at least four girls, in their early 20s to early 30s. None of them grabbed me in the front, but all four grabbed my ass at least a few times. Two of them grabbed my hand and put it on their breasts.

          I was a bit irritated by it, and felt mildly violated, but didn’t make a stink about it. I think it’s probably because there didn’t feel like there was a sexual element to it.

          I had one much older gay friend, once, who was drunk, shove his hands down the back of my pants and was groping my ass at the bar. I did NOT appreciate that because I wasn’t into him and there was a sexual element to it. It took two friends to get him the hell off of me.

          Not that I’m entirely innocent: one time an ex and I got together and day drank. He passed out on my bed and I was really drunk and just decided it was somehow appropriate to start giving him head. He came to and I was thinking, “Oh, fuck, should I have done that? That was kind of rapey of me, wasn’t it?” and immediately stopped.

          He did give his consent quite enthusiastically at that point.

          • Todd20036

            That happened to me. Hardly complained about it.
            I have had gay men make unwanted advances at me, and a few I had trouble convincing they repulsed me.
            But I can overpower anyone I need to, and frankly have no problem doing so.
            But yeah, a big part of it is that men overpowering a woman is more of a threat.
            Men groping men usually just doesn’t have the same dynamic (though that still can happen with a smaller man and a more muscular one)

    • DonnaLee

      He wasn’t, and I’ve done the same kinds of silly pictures…but I’m not a Senator, so nobody is coming after me years later saying I was inappropriate. I’ll just look at this as the staged ‘both sides are the same’ it obviously was meant to be.

      • GayOldLady

        Chuck Schumer is calling for an ethics investigation, which is appropriate. I hope Al holds up to the scrutiny.

    • Jonathan Osborn

      I suspect in most cases, at least at the beginning, men do it because they are simply stupid, unempathetic, and inexperienced in sexual protocol. In retrospect, the idea, promoted in some colleges, that men explicitly ask permission to engage in sexually provocative behavior, while awkward, was probably a good idea. That some men consistently engage in atrocious behavior throughout their lives, is less easily explained away.

    • sfprman

      He didn’t grope her, clearly

  • Treant

    Because when I sexually assault somebody*, I always make sure to have a photographer handy for future incrimination, place my hands NOT touching the person, and have a stupid-silly look on my face.

    * Never

    • Herald

      Uh…he’s touching her.

      • The_Wretched

        nope, he’s almost touching her. that’s the staging

        • Herald

          It’s very difficult to tell.

          • Jonathan Smith

            let’s ask the photographer and the guy sitting next to her first.

          • The_Wretched

            Put your hands in the shape of his. That’s not how your hands are during contact. It’s staged and motionless in air for the shot.

          • Publius

            Why is it so hard to believe women? This woman has a photo. Just stop.

            She was groped. He apologized. Let’s work from there instead of denying that it happened.

          • Pluto Animus

            There are shadows under Franken’s fingertips.

            Try to touch something and leave shadows under the bottom joints of your hands but not your fingertips. Notice that it is impossible to do.

            He is not touching her. She says she was asleep, so she could not be aware one way or another. No one who was awake claims Franken touched her.

            We should believe women when their claims are not contradicted by the evidence.

            I understand she has appeared on Fox News as a commentator, including vile Hannity’s show. If this is true, anyone with intelligence would doubt her.

          • Robert K Wright

            So, since Franken has condemned his own actions he must not be intelligent. That’s according to your logic. Luckily Franken was man enough to admit what he did was WRONG.

          • Paul Ohbehr L

            Thank you, the Fox part makes me think this is rigged by conservatives. After all, we have a sexual predator as POTUS.

          • The_Wretched

            No. I will not back down that there isn’t touching in the photo. Correctly representing the evidence matters.

          • Andymac3

            It is difficult to tell if you are a troll, since you have no picture and your profile is private, because that suggests that you are a troll, see how easy it is to make assumptions?

          • Robert K Wright

            Gay old lady has a private profile. You going to call her a troll too?

          • Andymac3

            I don’t think you understand my comment, I do think you are trying to sound smart and failing.

          • Robert K Wright

            I understood your very simple comment. You accused someone of being a troll and used their private status as “proof”. Along with their low number of comments. And I countered with a fact. There are multiple users who are on here that have private settings. That does not mean they are a troll. And there are new people on the site, or using Disqus for the first time. That also doesn’t make them a troll. It seems the only thing that you think makes them a troll is that you don’t like what they said. That doesn’t automatically make them a troll either. Your statement was simply an effort to shut someone down. It’s a common tactic.

          • Andymac3

            Oh dear, you just can’t help yourself;
            – I didn’t accuse, I surmised
            – Private status was given as an example of a troll, not proof
            – I never mentioned low number of comments, you made that up
            – You countered with a ‘whataboutism’ which isn’t a counter argument, it’s just trolling
            – My point was that it is easy to make an assumption about something given limited information, which was completely lost on you despite it being a very simple example.
            – You must be one of those people that starts typing your rebuttal before you actually finish reading the comment that you are up in arms about
            – Probably won’t read to the end of this either. What a dick.

          • Robert K Wright

            Yes, I mistakenly added the low number of comments, it’s usually the second bit of “proof” bullies like you use to shut people up. And no, you can’t make an assumption based off of that limited information. You are jumping to conclusions and I think it’s you that’s a dick, so guess that’s that. Unless you have more drivel to post.

          • band

            Quite a few commenters here with blocked comment histories are self-admitted trolls. They’ve boasted of their trolling on right-wing sites and, in some cases, even explained that it’s because they troll right-wing sites that they’ve blocked their Disqus history.

            But I bet you meant people who troll JMG, right?

          • Robert K Wright

            Simply an observation that not everyone with a blocked identity is a troll. It seems to be the common go to for the accusation. That and not having twelve million comments. (And yes, that’s an exaggeration, but not by much.)

          • Todd20036

            He’s a troll I have since blocked. Just saying.

        • another_steve

          Irrelevant if he’s actually touching her. Maybe in a court of law that distinction would be relevant, but as far as his standing and reputation goes, he’s in big trouble now.

          • The_Wretched

            It’s very strange to see this “not even one joke photo” standard. Do you want Al gone for his leftist politics?

          • Jonathan Smith

            yes. they do.

          • another_steve

            Oh please. Reminds me of Bill Clinton’s apologists. “It was only a blow job. So what if it was in or near the Oval Office and was performed by a young intern while the Leader of the Free World approved.”

            Some far-leftists are hypocrites, for sure.

          • MonochromeMouse

            Lewinsky was 100% consensual, as per her own claims. The others, however, I won’t defend Clinton on.

          • Do Something Nice

            Idiot. We ‘far leftists’ don’t defend Clinton. We fucking hate him.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            There ya go. Let that clinton hate out. Youve been quiet and keeping it in since hillarys loss.

          • thatotherjean

            Why? Except for a consensual blow job, he was a damn good president.

          • Do Something Nice

            NAFTA. DOMA. Work for welfare. The rise of the private prison system. Clinton was awful for America.

          • thatotherjean

            Budget surplus, booming economy. Not all that bad.

          • Silver_Witch

            Oh yes because getting rich makes it okay for others to fall further and further behind. This is why democrats are losing members.

          • Silver_Witch

            A blow job by his employee…a blow job while he was a married man. If a man will cheat on his wife he will cheat on anyone.

            Sadly he was also a very bad president – welfare reform; institutionalized prisons; NAFTA…..etc. etc.

          • thatotherjean

            We clearly have different angles on the Clinton presidency, and I’m not saying that everything he did was good. No president does everything perfectly–but I’m not going to get into an argument with you.

          • The_Wretched

            The willingness to slaughter liberals is unreal.

            I’m not talking Bill here.

          • j.martindale

            Oh, come on!. He was married. That was what was wrong. Otherwise, it was consensual sex between adults. A BJ in the office amounts to being naughty in my book.

          • Robert K Wright

            Seriously? You think it’s appropriate for a someone to pose in an image assaulting a sleeping woman? That isn’t “leftist politics”. And if it is, I don’t want to be a leftist anymore. What he did was wrong.

          • The_Wretched

            I like how you’re framing me as speaking for all leftist politics.

            It’s an ill considered joke photo that’s inappropriate. It’s still a joke. I take it you’ve never been to a comedy club without a fainting couch?

          • Robert K Wright

            Maybe Senator Frankens own words will shut you up. And, just to be clear, dear, this wasn’t a fucking comedy club. This was a sleeping woman on an airplane. You keep on trying to make an excuse for what the Senator has already stated was disgusting and inappropriate. You’re no better than those evangelicals still supporting and excusing Moore. And it was you, dear, that stated someone wanted to see Al gone because of his leftist politics. You brought it up, I responded jackass. Maybe you should keep track of your ramblings.

            “I don’t know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn’t matter. There’s no excuse,” he said. “I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn’t funny. It’s completely inappropriate. It’s obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what’s more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it — women who have had similar experiences in their own lives, women who fear having those experiences, women who look up to me, women who have counted on me.”…..“The intentions behind my actions aren’t the point at all,” he said. “It’s the impact these jokes had on others that matters. And I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to come to terms with that.”

          • The_Wretched

            I don’t see that I said what you think I did. Feel free to keep exploding, however.

          • Robert K Wright

            Everyone else see that you did. Keep trying.

          • Gerry Fisher

            Helpful. He’s in trouble.

          • TallBearNC

            That’s absolutely not assault in that picture…Don’t think he did anything wrong… Now if he actually grabbed her boobs without her permission…THATS assault …

            People are becoming way too sensitive lately about what’s assault and jumping on this whole assault bandwagon

          • Jamie Brewer

            “People are becoming way too sensitive lately about what’s assault and jumping on this whole assault bandwagon” TallBear you got that right.
            Back in the mid 1990’s I was at my factory work station when a female coworker came up behind me and started rubbing her breasts into my back and gave me a bear hug from behind. This was just horseplay because she was one of a few I was out to at the time and she was a close “sister friend.” I told her to stop because I might get a boner… My co worker across the belt told me later he had to leave because he was getting hard and he could not understand how I was able to control myself! I was in my 30’s… things were so different then. No harm was done….if that happened today there would probably be an inquest….

          • Silver_Witch

            Again a man uses an example of sexual play with a friend as the exact same thing as a man doing sexual things to a women who is NOT his friend and has NOT consented. Amazing.

            Fun story though…

          • MoreHairyThanJesus

            It’s completely relevant if he’s touching her. That’s a bizarre statement.

          • Robert K Wright

            Relevant in that it takes it from sexual harassment to sexual assault. If he isn’t touching it’s the former, if he is, it’s the latter.

          • MoreHairyThanJesus

            Is it? If that one picture is all there is to it, does that really meet the legal standard for sexual harassment?

          • Robert K Wright

            In relation to the “forced kissing” and the other things she claims, yes. It does.

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            it’s IRRELEVANT that he’s not touching her?!?!? Gurl, bye

          • JustDucky

            “Irrelevant if he’s actually touching her.”

            I mean, it’s the difference between obnoxious assholery and sexual assault, so…

          • Gerry Fisher

            Please don’t make Woody Allen look right about there being a “witch hunt” that applies no critical thinking.

        • justmeeeee

          And, since he’s not touching here (maybe) that makes it NOT sexual harassment in any shape or form, right? NOT!

          • Adam Schmidt

            Actually, it makes a difference. If he’s not touching her then it’s inappropriate and a poor joke. If he is touching her, then it’s sexual assault and a crime. They’re both wrong, just one is more wrong and criminal.

          • Robert K Wright

            It’s sexual harassment, either way. Sexual harassment doesn’t have to be actual physical contact in order to be a crime. I suggest you do some reading on the subject. I like Franken, I don’t like that he did this. It was wrong and he has said so.

        • Benjamin Eugene NElson

          That shit didn’t fly when I was a kid and messing wth my sister…

          • The_Wretched

            You were staging photos with your sister and she was saying you should be considered just as bad as Moore?

          • Benjamin Eugene NElson

            Where did you get that from?

            I’m saying that “i didn’t actually touch her” didn’t fly as an exucse for a child, so why should it fly for an adult?

      • Friday

        Through body armor? Even if he did make any contact, (which I doubt) it wasn’t to get any jollies. That and the goofy look just say ‘Joke in poor taste.’ What the right-winger alleges happened in rehearsal, well, I just dunno.

    • Treant

      Oh, “This user is blocked,” I can’t hear the drivel. Thankfully, I’m sure.

    • Guffey

      And yet it still so easily conveys that ” girls are playthings, and when they are not responsive you can do whatever you want and it’s not just ok, it’s darn funny!”

      • Treant

        I didn’t say it was OK but… Oh, sorry, the false “feminists” have taken over and are now conflating arguments nobody made.

        I’m outta here since the level of discourse just went to zero.

        • MonochromeMouse

          It’s wrong to mime sex acts on someone while they are sleeping, period.

          • Treant

            False equivalency, thanks for playing.

          • MonochromeMouse

            That’s not false equivalency, that is exactly what Al Franken did there’s a picture of it right at the top of the goddamn article.

          • Gerry Fisher

            Franken says that they were rehearsing for a skit, and she says that he groped her as she slept. There seems to be some discrepancies in their stories.

          • MonochromeMouse

            The picture looks like he pretended to grab her breasts while she was asleep. If he didn’t touch her I’ll agree it was not a crime but it is in fact still harassment and not at all ok.

          • TallBearNC

            See I completely disagree with you it’s actually kind of funny… Now if he actually grabbed her then that would be sexually assault

          • MonochromeMouse

            What Franken did was sexual harassment and that’s 100% not ok. Now it’s certainly not as bad as it would have been if he actually touched her but it’s still not ok. We lose the moral high ground if we refuse to call out bad behavior just because the perpetrator is on our side politically. I don’t think Franken should face any criminal charges unless he actually touched her, but he still deserves to be called out for his actions.

          • ColdCountry

            Didn’t she say he grabbed her? And forcibly kissed her?

          • Correct. Franken admits that. It is not however, rape or anything approaching it.

          • MonochromeMouse

            And no one is calling it rape, they are just pointing out that his behavior was unacceptable.

        • Robert K Wright

          Right. Someone feels you’re excusing things, and it did appear that way, so you’re “outta here”. Bye. (And if you zooom in, his hands ARE touching her and it isn’t “funny” to even pretend to grope a sleeping woman…)

          • MonochromeMouse

            The fact that there is even an argument over whether this is ok or not is disgusting. Even if he didn’t touch her, though it looks like he did, it was at least sexual harassment and that’s absolutely not ok.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            Look, you know the real story about the pic and the set up – everyone was in on it including Leeann Tweeden. She was not asleep, she was part of the skit.

        • Silver_Witch

          “False Feminists” is that code for any woman who complains about being sexually harassed or raped?

      • TallBearNC

        I can’t tell you how many times over the years my fellow gay friends pretended to grab my crotch when I was asleep and actually took pictures of it… You don’t see me whining I was sexually assaulted

        • TallBearNC

          Sure actual sexual assault exists but a lot of people are jumping on this assault bandwagon when actual assault never occurred

          Many things are suddenly becoming “inappropriate” that are not inappropriate

          • j.martindale

            Touching a women sexually who has not agreed to it can probably be considered an assault.

        • Steve Teeter

          Teasing sexual banter between gay friends who are used to it is one thing. What we’re talking about here, in a professional situation — it was a rehearsal after all, and Franken was the star — may be quite another.

        • j.martindale

          I was groped, too, at bars and such. I was actually a little flattered. I think women rightfully feel assaulted, though, by this type of activity. There is an imbalance of power in the male/female relationship that makes it different. You just cannot do this. I know it is wrong. I am sure that you do, too.

        • Silver_Witch

          Key word – your “fellow gay friends“. She was NOT his friend…they were co-workers. He had no right to french kiss her or pretend to grab her breasts.

          How men justify their bad behavior is absolutely amazing. That is why we can’t have nice things….or let women live without fear of rape.

      • Grumpy Old Man
  • Tawreos

    If that is the photo she is complaining about, she probably should look at it a bit closer. I don’t see any contact. The kiss is a different matter entirely, but that photo doesn’t show what she seems to be claiming it is.

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      Yup. He is cupping his hands in front of her breasts, making no contact and basically mock-groping. You can certainly argue its not funny, but presumably her friends are taking the picture and encouraged him. This is on bar with stacking empty beer cans around your drunk friend.

      The women who accused Moore are mostly Republicans. Is this women a Democrat? Somehow, I guess not.

      • DonnaLee

        Don’t even have to guess, I’m positive that’s the case. Her career must need some help.

        • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

          AND Franken is not weeks away from a vote. Moore keeps saying the timing of his accusers is suspicious. Well a Hannity guest coming out a week after the Moore thing blows up is equally, if not more suspicious.

    • Tread

      This is just a dumb photo. It doesn’t show the incident that the woman is accusing him of.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Oh, honey, who of us hasn’t grabbed a boobie here and there?

  • justmeeeee

    Dominoes!

  • another_steve

    Not good.

    Not good, Al.

    • thatotherjean

      A joke photo taken ten years ago, for which he has already apologized. Not nearly as bad as, say, stripping down to your underwear in front of a 14-year-old girl.

  • DreadPikathulhu

    Wake me in 2030. I can’t take this crap anymore.

    • matrem

      It’s cute that you assume america will survive that long

      • Treant

        It’s cute that you assume humanity will survive that long.

  • Reasonoverhate

    Every single tRump voter that is calling for Franken to resign is a motherfuckin’ HYPOCRITE!

    • Jonathan Smith

      ….and this is news? How?

    • Treant

      Yes, but…that would be new, how?

      I guarantee this will be a topic at Thanskgiving? Child molestation? Not appropriate for table discussion. Trump’s statements? We don’t want to talk about that.

    • james1200

      He should go full-Republican and refuse to apologize or resign!

      https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKP4tDBGuuF8rHq/giphy.gif

      • thatotherjean

        Being a fundamentally decent sort, he’s already apologized.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      At the moment, I’m more concerned with the all the liberals who, 5 minutes after this story broke, were demanding with outrage the Al resign IMMEDIATELY. Meanwhile, behind this scenes, whatever right wing PAC is behind this, is stroking their evil little greasy mustache. And having a good laff

    • True but he still should resign.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Can the left take a few minutes to let this play out before we burn Al at the stake? Because if we want this to be the new standard for the Dems (an unwanted kiss and an “air grope”), the republicans will be happy to oblige with countless trumped up hatchet jobs like this (watch and see — she’s a well known right winger). They are not operating by any moral compass. And if you think the republicans will somehow be held to the same standard, please give yourself a vicious faceslapping and snap out of it!

    https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/931157152215027712

    ETA: what time was the breitbart story posted? Guaranfuckinteed it was already written and ready to go.

    • JDS

      No, people are ready to eviscerate him just like George Takei.

    • Tread

      The left is so good at being their own circular firing squad that all it takes is a whisper of an accusation and they’re ready to blow away half the party.

      • Todd20036

        I’m ok with that…
        Oh, “blow away”. Sorry. I read it wrong.

        • Tread

          Hey, I’ve been “that guy,” on both ends. 😉

    • Boreal

      Exactly one report of one incident and everyone is screaming for Franken to step down but a president and a senate candidate with multiple accounts of harassment attributed to them are given a pass. Republicans love when we eviscerate ourselves and cheer us on all while applying a double standard to themselves.

  • Gropes her through the armored vest?
    Sure Jan…

    • Lizard

      I think that was probably the joke at the time. It doesn’t make it funny or okay and how badly it translates to a photograph would be spectacular.

      • Friday

        Why I’m still reserving judgment, particularly since it was supposed to be in the rehearsal for a comedy skit. I’m kind of on the fence whether the photo really represents what the right-winger’s making it out to be or just a joke in real poor taste.

        • thatotherjean

          Until further notice, I’m taking it as a joke in poor taste. For which Sen. Franken has already apologized.

  • TK

    Franken is in a real spot here. But I can’t help laugh at the outrage on the right when they elected a man to the highest office in the land who admitted to grabbing women and kissing them forcibly.

    “I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything”

  • Adam Stevens

    I am sorry, but this simply DOES NOT WORK as a left-wing or right-wing issue when one answers the folliowing questions:

    1. Who sexually harasses women?
    2. Who sexually harasses men?
    3. Who sexually harasses girls?
    4. Who sexually harasses boys?

    The obvious answer to all of these questions is MEN. Not left-wing men, not right-wing men, but MEN.

    If we can’t even start at square one HONESTLY, how are we to have any hope for improvement?

    This has nothing to do with which ‘side’ you’re on politically. It has to do with bad male behavior.

    • Treant

      Oh, lord, are we going to go down the road of “men, bad” and “women never harass anybody?”

      Please tell me we’re not going to do that because it can be knocked down in twenty seconds flat, using your own arguments of shame-based suppression and social stigma. Frankly, I’ve had more women harass me because they thought it was funny to do it to the gay guy.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Same here. I’ve had women press their breasts into me or place my hands on them because they thought I might like it.

        • Treant

          Have you noticed that when they’re coming onto you, they sort of slink themselves into you and do the accidental thigh, breast, or upper arm contact thing?

          Sister, you are quite literally attempting to climb the wrong tree; the branch will not support your weight, nor does it want to. Back the hell off, you are in my personal space and I’m feeling very uncomfortable.

          (Don’t worry, the lecture of how “that’s not grabbing a breast…” is coming from a “well-meaning” person).

          • AmeriCanadian

            I’ve had it happen in a group setting where it’s made out to be a joke and everyone’s laughing which further encourages the aggressor and I’ve had it happen in private which was extremely awkward. In the private settings, my initial look of disgust and recoil in horror were usually enough. Only once do I remember having to actually say I was not interested. In group settings, I usually have to leave or move away because it ain’t stopping on its own.

          • Treant

            “Back the fuck off” has worked for me in the past. In business settings, a quickly muttered, “You will pull back a stump if you ever do that again” generally doesn’t work, but does antagonize the “lady” in question enough that she loses interest.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Have you noticed that when they’re coming onto you, they sort of slink themselves into you and do the accidental thigh, breast, or upper arm contact thing?

            Experienced that at a general-admission concert, from someone apparently making her way to the front. And hell hath no fury, I guess, because I wasn’t interested, and fifteen minutes later, she was banging me on my head with her ring and having me physically ejected from the venue by security goons.

          • Treant

            So…you’re saying she assaulted you and gave you good reason to fear her? Another data point for Adam.

          • Todd20036

            I’ve grabbed breasts all the time. I’d sauté them, dip them in bread crumbs and spices, marinate them…
            I’ve had no complaints.

        • The_Wretched

          I’ve had my biceps grabbed a number of times.

          • Jonathan Smith

            hell Papi, I’ll grab your…….biceps.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Thankfully I’ve only been grabbed/groped by other gay men and only in the appropriate venue.

          • The_Wretched

            I’ve also been touched a ton at gay events / venues. Loved pretty much all of it. It was relevant to the time and place.

          • Rudolph Nureyev grabbed my junk a long long time ago and he squeezed hard…thought I was going to faint. I would have thrown my drink in his face but back then I didn’t believe in wasting liquor. I suppose he thought he was being seductive or something…

          • EastCoastJ

            Really ? Interesting. I’ve heard he was a jerk, but didn’t know he was THAT bad.

        • So have I , more than once. I suppose because they were women it was “okay” ?
          NOT

          • Treant

            According to Gay Old Lady up there, it wasn’t forceful, you weren’t hurt, so it was just fine and your dislike and distaste of being sexually harassed doesn’t count…because you’re a male.

            Well, I’m furious, but I can absolutely guarantee you that I support you and it was NOT OK for a woman to force herself on you. She has no right to violate you. None.

          • Allison the Great

            I agree. I used to know a woman who said “it’s okay, he’s gay! he doesn’t mind” when it was clear he did. Unless someone makes it clear they want to be touched, don’t touch them. I really resent the fact that so many guys have been grabbed like that. That’s horrible.

          • I am irritated by the double standard that some people have.
            No I wasn’t harmed but it was still unsolicited advances. Fortunately after backing away (from the last woman who did this) no less than three times I think she finally got the idea that I do not enjoy feeling her breasts rubbing on my arm. Give me some space please !

          • Treant

            Truth. I detonated and blocked her. I can’t take the “you’re a man, it’s all OK when it happens to you” bullshit any longer.

            Shrug. I was a bit harsh. I wish I could say she didn’t deserve it. But nobody deserves unwanted touching or…more than that.

      • Adam Stevens

        Come on dude. This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.

        Men do not live their lives in fear of women.
        Men do not live their lives in fear of women.
        Men do not live their lives in fear of women.
        Men do not live their lives in fear of women.

        I can’t even believe an educated adult would go down that road, frankly Treant.

        You DO NOT live your life in fear of your safety because of WOMEN.

        • Treant

          I can’t even believe an educated adult would go down that road, frankly, Adam. You didn’t indicate that argument in the initial one above, so I’m throwing it out as “not previously presented and not covered in my own argument.”

          You may not move the goalposts.

          And frankly, people outta be a little more afraid of women. I’ve seen “Deadly Women” on ID. Those bitches are dangerous and men’s lack of fear is clearly a blind spot we must correct.

          Also, you’ve just done the societal blind spot yourself. Some men DO live in fear of their women, but hey, they don’t make your point so fuck ’em right? I’m real sure that little dead 8 year old wasn’t exactly running to Mommy for protection, since she’s up for his murder.

          • Adam Stevens

            I am sorry this has triggered you.

            However, in this case, yours are not the thoughts and ideas of a serious man.

          • Treant

            Enjoy your fucking block. Useless little fuckwipes abound today. Toodles. Die in a fire for all I care, and if you’re ever raped, I hope nobody believes you.

        • CJAS

          Right, men don’t. But, employees do live in fear of their employers, irrespective of gender.

      • GayOldLady

        No doubt there are some women who behave badly, but they are few. I worked with both men and women for 40 years and women show their interest in very different ways than men. It’s not usually expressed physically and/or forcefully.

        • Treant

          No doubt there are some men who behave badly, but they are few.

          So therefore, we can completely ignore them as not in the majority nor even close to it.

          “Not usually expressed physically and/or forcefully” is a dodge. Otherwise, I’m going to feel free to psychologically abuse you because it doesn’t count. Also, touching is forceful. I just said I’ve been touched against my will by women.

          So now that’s OK with you, too because I wasn’t “hurt.”

          (throws hands in air) The fucking hypocrisy astounds. Next you’ll blame the fucking victim. I give the fuck up but now don’t care about any accusation where the victim doesn’t fucking die. Clearly they’re OK so it doesn’t fucking matter because the force wasn’t great enough–for no other reason than I just fucking said so.

          • GayOldLady

            You being sexually intimidated or assaulted by a woman/women was wrong. I consider you a blogging friend and I have no sympathy for or make any allowance for any woman who would do that to you or to anyone else. It is inexcusable. And Treant, a lot of men, especially men in power, behave badly toward women and some even behave badly toward men. That’s the truth. I’ve been a victim of it and I know many women who have been physically assaulted and/or sexually intimidated in employment by their bosses or male co-workers. You don’t have to believe that this behavior is more prevalent in men than women, but it is.

          • Treant

            Shut. Up. SHUT THE FUCK UP. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU USELESS COW.

            “I worked with both men and women for 40 years and women show their interest in very different ways than men. It’s not usually expressed physically and/or forcefully.”

            FUCKING APOLOGIZE OR FUCKING GO AWAY.

            At this point? I gotta see vid of a bitch being fucked up her bleeding ass because otherwise? it’s not that forceful. You’ve taught me that rape is A-OK. Abuse, harassment? Fine. As long as I have a King Cnut, I see.

            It’s shit like this that makes the term femizazi so fucking applicable. My cock negates any possible harm. It’s the magic fuckin’ dick.

            Your friend? Sweetheart, I weep for the men you worked with, and you are clearly no fucking friend of any abused male.

            Fucking Apologize Or Fucking Go Away. You just abused a harassed person. Feel good? I’m sure you do.

          • GayOldLady

            Wow! I have no reason to apologize to you Treant. You’re out of control.

          • Treant

            I’m sure you don’t think so. After all, you only abused a harassed person. And now you’re trying to be all fucking reasonable when said person just told you where to shove it in no uncertain terms for being a complete fuckwipe.

            A typical abuser’s trick, I might add.

            I pray to non-God you’re retired and not abusing any more “clients.”

          • GayOldLady

            I didn’t abuse you Treant and you know it.

          • Treant

            Fuck. Off. And stop the gaslighting. And don’t bother trying further, your useless ass just got blocked. Good riddance, harass and abuse somebody else who isn’t strong enough to collapse under your shit.

          • GayOldLady

            Wow!

          • MT YVR

            Actually? He’s got a fair point.

            He said he’s been sexually abused by women. Your comments in response are all about “but it’s not important”. Whether you see it or not that’s what is absolutely coming across.

            As a man who’s been sexually assaulted I can easily tell you that this exact conversation has happened in my life countless times. It’s a false trail and not one most people want to follow.

            There is no us vs them for statistics. And to enter into a conversation about this with “but… not nearly as often as it does with X” is a standard tactic. YOU’VE seen it applied elsewhere in other subjects so I know you understand how it reads. No one said men have it worse or women don’t but the insistence that this conversation can only have merit if people pass the gatekeeping test of “admitting it happens more to women” is… pissy. And insulting as all fuck.

            For myself? I do think you’ve got a bit to apologize for but y’all didn’t ask.

          • GayOldLady

            If you read the entire thread I wasn’t questioning his comments about assault, I was questioning his comment to another poster when he wrote “Oh, lord, are we going to go down the road of “men, bad” and “women never harass anybody?”

            I know both men and women who have been victims of sexual assault. My boss, a very powerful man, assaulted me and tried to rape me. I have a male friend who was sexually assaulted by his mother. I know there are women who commit sexual assault and sexual crimes, but my point was to Treant is that woman on man sexual assault and even woman on man battery is not prevalent, but man on woman assault is prevalent.

          • MT YVR

            Which is still a call out of which is more important. Honestly, I’m not yelling, not pissed, not at all trying to get in your face. But just as honestly, do you not see that?

            And I did read the entire thread. And I still stand by my reaction being: your comments are definitely on the insulting side of things.

            His comment is “men bad, women never harass” is literally “women harass”. His example is himself. To which you reply : but. Ok. But. Never nearly as often.

            Genuinely. Do you not see that? Right there? From here it, swear to the gods, reading as “ok, sure but it’s not as important or relevant as women having it worse”.

            Those are two different conversations. VERY different ones. And you’re genuinely coming across as gatekeeping here. People who are abused by women aren’t, by extension of this whole thing about INSISTING the only conversation is who abuses more, as important.

            Every time this kind of thing comes up I’m floored how people miss the hard “but” in their conversations. It’s clearly implying a sense that it’s just not the important issue.

            So let me ask this. Why MUST anyone who has been abused FIRST mention the gender of their assailant? Follow up to that, at what point did he or I say women don’t get harassed more? Because that’s normally the next point that people go for, again, right after being asked that. That’s actually not in dispute. The only one arguing it is you.

            And you’re arguing that in a conversation about whether or not women abuse people. If honestly your first and ONLY answer is “but nowhere near as much”?

            Let me just say: “Not all men”

          • GayOldLady

            I know my intent and it wasn’t to insult him, which I attempted to convey before he went off a profanity laden personal attack.

          • MT YVR

            Tone argument and since when in these conversations has anyone else been let off with “well, I certainly didn’t mean that”?

            That said and my promise to back off broken in two point five seconds. I really am going to apologize and bow out. Honest. Take care, GOL.

          • GayOldLady

            Thanks MT, perhaps Treant and I were tone deaf to each other. Regardless, I don’t think we’ll be talking again. Which is a shame because I always liked him.

          • MT YVR

            Let me just end my part in this conversation here and now because we’re getting perilously close to major issues for me (which are mine, not your’s GOL so please don’t misunderstand). I get what you’re saying but I honestly don’t think you’re going to get mine (I won’t speak for Treant).

            So be it.

            As a survivor? I’ve spent my life being told literally what you have said here. My experiences weren’t as important because it doesn’t happen as often. That somehow my experiences take from the pain of other people or are about trying to supplant it. That I’d rather ADD my voice to the conversation is never, not once, considered. I don’t think women have it easier. THAT CONVERSATION NEVER STARTED FOR ME. But it’s the only one I am allowed to have.

            And that?

            Fucking hurts.

        • CJAS

          “It’s not usually expressed physically and/or forcefully.” It’s not my field of expertise, but I fail to see how psychological coercion is less traumatic for those who experience abuse of power than physical coercion.

          • GayOldLady

            That comment had nothing to do with “coercion” that’s your word not mine, it was about how women display their interest in a man or woman vs how men display their interest in women or men. Coercion is “the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.” Coercion is always wrong.

          • CJAS

            Okay. How exactly is female “interest” expressed? Just to be clear, where there is an imbalance in power any means of expression is coercion.

          • GayOldLady

            Perhaps you could go back to the beginning of the thread and see that I was responding to Treant’s reaction over the initial comment.

            “Adam Stevens • 4 hours ago

            I am sorry, but this simply DOES NOT WORK as a left-wing or right-wing issue when one answers the folliowing questions:

            “1. Who sexually harasses women?
            2. Who sexually harasses men?
            3. Who sexually harasses girls?
            4. Who sexually harasses boys?

            The obvious answer to all of these questions is MEN. Not left-wing men, not right-wing men, but MEN.

            If we can’t even start at square one HONESTLY, how are we to have any hope for improvement?

            This has nothing to do with which ‘side’ you’re on politically. It has to do with bad male behavior.”

            Treant blew up at that comment and my comments to Treant were in the vein of YES, the vast majority of sexual crimes against men, women, children are committed by men. In fact, most crimes are committed by men. Not all men, not most men, but men are the primary perpetrators of crime in this and every other society.

          • CJAS

            I already read the entire thread. (It’s weird that you assume that anyone who questions you hasn’t.) And this response doesn’t address my question: ‘How exactly is female “interest” expressed?’

          • GayOldLady

            Well if you read the entire thread then you know that Treant, who’s been sexually assaulted, has no problem whatsoever in calling out Franken’s accuser. Did you notice that? He curses me out for what he considers me being insensitive to his experience, while he’s dismissing Franken’s accuser. What Franken did was wrong, he admitted it. He agreed to an ethics inquiry. Schumer has called for an inquiry and that’s the way it should happen instead of just dismissing her accusations out of hand as partisan. That’s the difference between the GOP and the Dems. And it wasn’t just the picture as Treant tried to convince in some of his comments. She didn’t want to rehearse a kiss and he insisted that they rehearse it. She relented and he proceeded to thrust his tongue down her throat. You might want to read Franken’s FB comment to her, it’s impressive.

            And I was married to a man for 10 years and dated guys for several years preceding my marriage. The women I’ve been with showed interest initially through conversation and flirtation, but no aggression. The men were less conversational and much more aggressive physically. Have men changed a lot since I dated them? I doubt it.

          • CJAS

            This response doesn’t address my question: ‘How exactly is female “interest” expressed?’ You made a claim. I’ve asked you to clarify it.

          • CJAS

            You seemed to suggest that the female school teachers who assault male students act differently toward their victims from the Roy Moores?

          • CJAS

            Students and employees live in fear of those in power over them irrespective of gender. When speaking to a male who was assault by a female in power over him, don’t act surprised when he finds the generalization about male attackers dismissive of his specific reality.

          • GayOldLady

            I clarified it and answered your question at the end of my last comment. Perhaps you didn’t read my entire comment. If you don’t like the answer I gave, sorry, you won’t get another. First Treant goes unhinged and uses over the top profanity toward me because he thought I insulted him as a victim, even though his purpose in the thread was to insult a victim and you’re being extraordinarily aggressive to defend what? Treant? I think I see a pattern here!

          • CJAS

            Asking to clarify your claim is aggression? Speaking of patterns of behavior …

            I defend facts. I don’t him or you.

          • CJAS

            You seem to be conflating romantic interactions and sexual predation the subject at hand and a completely different thing. Predators act similarly irrespective of gender, (race, class, etc.)

  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    To all those on the right screaming Franken should step down, how about a deal, Trump steps down, Moore withdraws and then Franken resigns?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Tit for tat!
      Sounds fair!

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        I see what you did there!

        • Treant

          Titillating, indeed.

          • Steverino

            Not to be confused with tat for tit, which sounds like it could be a reference to a breast tattoo.

          • Todd20036

            Taint for tit?

      • Gene Perry

        Actually, it looks like both tits were being tatted.

      • David Walker

        “And I deserve a lot of tat
        For what I’ve got to give.” — Chicago, the non-Alice Faye musical

    • Publius

      I’m pissed off at Al Franken for doing this, but he’s not even close to being on the same level as Roy Moore. Moore engaged in a pattern of disgusting behavior over decades. It wouldn’t be a fair trade.

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        I doubt Franken shoved his tongue in her mouth. A USO rehearsal would be on a very public stage, but this is a he-said / she-said. The photo does not show groping, it shows pretend-groping. Read the accusers Wikipedia entry. She is not like Moore’s accusers who are mostly Republicans and have nothing to gain. Franken’s accuser is a right-wing celebrity, who by this accusation is benefiting from publicity and name recognition. Now, all this being said – if he did forcibly tongue kiss her, yes, I’m disappointed.

        • Publius

          Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to a USO show?

          I’ve been to three. And at all three, my understanding is the stage is available for rehearsals before troops arrive. I also know that there is always a backstage, including private spaces for rehearsals like the kind this woman described.

          It’s okay to believe women. Just because Al Franken is a Democrat doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. The Senator groped the woman as shown in the photograph. Just because the woman is a Republican, doesn’t mean she is making this up.

          • AND it’s okay to believe that people of all kinds make shit up!

          • EastCoastJ

            No, then you’re “blaming the victim”, no matter what. At least according to sites like Salon, Towleroad (basically), Jezebel, and Shakesville. This is the new Salem 1692.

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            I agree, just because he is a Democrat, he does not get a pass.

            But he is cupping his hands in front of the woman, he is not touching her. I don’t know how you can look at that photo and see groping.

            With any accusation, the credibility of the accused and the accuser are looked at. With Moore’s accusers, I believe most or all of them are Republicans. I don’t believe any of them are in the public eye where publicity benefit them.

            If one of Moore’s accusers was a Democratic who would benefit from publicity, I would tend to view that with a bit of skepticism as well.

      • It kind of is. Sure, it’s not as egregious, but they are both assaults on a person. Granted, Moore’s acts are horrid and it appalls me that people are defending him, but normalizing or even minimizing what Franken did is the veritable slippery slope.

        That’s where the pattern of abuse begins.

        • The_Wretched

          Ah, the expected low comment count troll. gin it up bro.

    • Do Something Nice

      Yes, because they don’t have standards, we shouldn’t either. Or something.

    • Buford

      Tweeden’s case is incredibly weak. Franken already apologized and said he’d welcome and cooperate with an ethics investigation into the matter. For this situation, that’s more than sufficient.

      This was a dumb gag, not an assault. He apologized. The kiss was consensual and the pic shows no contact. She’s no victim, and suggesting that her case is anywhere nearly as serious as the ones against Moore, Weinstein, Trump, Spacey, and others is insulting to those other victims.

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        I totally agree with you. Down thread I was one of the first to post about her background as a Hannity guest, Playboy model and on air celebrity who would benefit from having her visibility raised.

        Do I think Franken should resign? Of course not. But to anyone (on the right) who is screaming for him to step down, it seems rather obvious to point out that our Prez and Moore should be in line first.

        • Buford

          Agree. I just try to avoid ‘whataboutism’ and assess each situation on its own as opposed to assessing them relative to others. This case seems to clearly be a dumb, immature, meatheaded gag that’s come back to haunt him… this wasn’t assault. His apology and offer to cooperate with an investigation is completely adequate.

  • kelven

    A big part of what we are seeing is behavior that men have long assumed was ok or funny is finally being called what it really is, sexual assault. This kind of “humor” – tricking girls into kissing you or sexual innuendo or suggestive gestures is still quite common in teenagers (and those that never grow out of that phase). It will take a few generations of discouraging this behavior for it to become the norm.

    • Jonathan Smith

      you know what? i have NEVER touched someone without their permission.
      is it because I am not rich or famous enough do ya think?

      • Tawreos

        Because you were brought up right

      • Lizard

        Because you don’t have an entitlement complex.

      • Bambino

        Never underestimate the power of money and position. Are all the wealthy and powerful people sex fiends? Not necessary. However, I do believe human can be easily corrupt. Those with money and power do live in a different environment and a different reality than regular folks.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Perhaps you were raised with values and the ability to tell the difference between right and wrong.

      • kelven

        Anyone with a shred of empathy learns to recognize unwanted interaction and stops doing it. I think that is one of the distinguishing steps from adolescent to adult. But when that behavior is trivialized or even encouraged by the culture at large you end up with a bunch of older men with a teenagers mindset. That’s why we are now seeing “good guys” taken to task for this as well. It’s about damn time.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Leann obviously thought so at the time. Even participated in a rehearsal.

      so…

      “Hey, we all thought blackface was funny as hell back then!”

    • thatotherjean

      And such behavior is not funny and should be firmly discouraged–or, at its extremes, prosecuted. But if every single person in the present day who has done such things in the past would be forced to resign from positions of responsibility, there would be no one left to run the country. Well, perhaps the ultra-religious, god-haunted extremists, like Mike Pence. Are we sure we want that?

  • Lizard

    Without offering my opinion on whether or not this should end his career, I don’t see it happening. He’s not up for reelection until 2020 and three years might as well be an epoch with the 24-hour news cycle.

    Assuming no more accusers come forward, I think his career will weather this just fine.

  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    In other words, it took the right-wing about a week to rustle up someone with ‘evidence’ of someone on the left, similar to the whataboutism with Bill Clinton.

    From Wikipedia

    She is a political conservative, with many appearances on such Fox News shows as Hannity and Red Eye.

    In 1992, while working as a hostess at a Hooters restaurant (she was in their 1994 calendar) in Colorado Springs, Colorado, she won first place in the Venus International Model Search. This break led to national exposure, including a regular role as a fitness model on the TV show Fitness Beach. Tweeden modeled for promotional work for Hooters, Venus International, Frederick’s of Hollywood.[2]

    Tweeden was a correspondent for Fox Sports Net’s Best Damn Sports Show Period from 2001 to 2007. In 2008, Tweeden became the third hostess of the NBC late night television series Poker After Dark.[3] She has also appeared on the political discussion series Hannity, as a member of the “Great American Panel” and occasionally appeared on the panel of Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld.[4]

    In 1996, Tweeden appeared non-nude in a fitness model pictorial for Playboy
    magazine. Fifteen years later, at 38 years old, she appeared again in
    the December, 2011 issue of Playboy, this time posing in a nude
    pictorial.

    • Boreal

      Yup this is a ‘Look squirrel!’ moment unless more than one woman steps forward to accuse Franken

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        Agreed – especially if the next accuser is a Democrat, not in the public eye, who has nothing to gain by coming forward.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Ha! You beat me by one minute!
      Great minds!

    • I like how you are making fun about whataboutism but then do whataboutism right after that.

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        Brought you out from under your rock, I’m so proud!

        Do tell, what other person am I pointing the finger at?

        • Brought me out from under where?

    • The_Wretched

      I’m in the same camp. This marginal evidence from a motivated (bias) witness and that’s it, game over? It reminds me of cheney saying the PATRIOT act was great since they arrested some guys who played paintball and couldn’t figure out how to exit the US.

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        Also from Buzzfeed: “When Tweeden returned to the US, she said she was looking through a CD of photos provided by a photographer on the trip and found one of the now-senator groping her while she was asleep.”

        Would be interesting if the photographer produced the CD and it turns out that there are dozens of photos of her (and others) camping it up with Franken, and maybe the even being asleep was pretending for the photo?

        I’m not saying it couldn’t be true that this happened, just that it is highly suspicious.

        Also, Claire McCaskill has come out and called for an investigation. Literally within hours of the story breaking. That is how the Dems do things. Trump got a complete pass from the right, and even now, many are still defending Moore.

        • The_Wretched

          And Frankin said he’s willing to cooperate with the investigation. It’s entirely different than Moore and the republicans who have been hiding and dodging.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      This strangely reminds me of the mother who gave a speech at the RNC prez convention whos son died in benghazi and was suing Hills for negligence (or attempting to)

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    So, … she’s a frequent guest on Hannity. No surprise there.
    This little dino smells a rat!
    From her Wikipedia Article:
    “She is a political conservative, with many appearances on such Fox News shows as Hannity and Red Eye.”

  • Resign Al.

    • ETownCanuck

      Just as soon as the President does.

      • Jonathan Smith

        so, as soon as the Indictment comes in?

      • This isn’t a game – Ray Moore – Trump – AL Franken – they should all resign. SO yeah but this isn’t a hostage exchange situation.

        • ETownCanuck

          Ray Moore and Donald Trump have PHYSICALLY assaulted people. Al Franken had a questionable photo taken which IMPLIED physical assault. The two are very different things.

          • Lizard

            It’s more than the photo. She claims he forcibly kissed her when rehearsing for a skit.

          • ETownCanuck

            “Claims” is the key word there. I’d see Dreaming Vertebrates post further down for the Cliff Notes version of how truthful her claim is likely to be.

          • Lizard

            Yeah. I’m torn. I want to believe the victim and I can’t possibly be unbiased because I like Franken. But her background makes this suspicious. She has something to gain here in a way that Moore’s accusers didn’t.

          • ETownCanuck

            Precisely how I feel.

          • So you’re saying the victim is a liar? What happened to #metoo and believe the victim first.

          • ETownCanuck

            It’s possible that she may be, anyone can. I would say that 99.9% of the time believing the victim first is probably the best course of action…but just as with every other criminal offence, there’s a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It has to be looked at objectively.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Why? It was a skit.
      Stupid skit,… but a skit nonetheless.

      • If this were a republican you’d be telling him to resign.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          I don’t think so. Unless there’s more damaging info yet to come out.

          • Sure Jan

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            I’m pretty sure I know my own mind, more than you.
            Bye!

          • joe ho

            crazed bernie bro alert.

          • Lizard

            Dude, not everyone who vaguely disagrees with you and/or any Democrat on anything is a Bernie Bro.

          • joe ho

            lol.

            false.
            he’s a crazed bernie bro. you must not have a memory. early onset alzheimer’s?

          • Lizard

            “you must not have a memory. early onset alzheimer’s?”

            I’m 23, you asshole.

            I do have a memory. I remember you accusing me of the same thing when I vaguely disagreed with you on political strategy, despite the months I spent telling off Bernie Bros and trying to convince them to vote for Hillary. It’s a method of disregarding anything and everything a person might contribute to a discussion that disagrees with you and it’s not cool.

          • joe ho

            lol.

            early on-set can hit people in 20s and 30s.

            get it checked out, ignorant fucktard!

            https://www.bustle.com/p/11-weird-signs-of-early-onset-dementia-to-watch-out-for-68213

          • Lizard

            You’re disgusting, telling people who disagree with you that they have such a serious condition with “lol.” Seriously, fuck you.

          • joe ho

            lol.

            i see you’re a snowflake, too.

            that makes the picture even more pathetic.

          • Lizard

            You accuse everyone who disagrees with you for being a Bernie Bro as a way to disregard everything they might have to say or contribute.

            But I’m the snowflake.

            Sure, Jan.

          • joe ho

            lol.

            another non-sequitur.

            pitiful.

            have your mental functioning checked out. really.

          • Lizard

            That’s the best response you’ve got? That’s pitiful, sweetie.

          • joe ho

            lol.

            Not as pitiful as yours, dickweed.

          • Lizard

            I’m a woman. No dickweed here.

          • joe ho

            lol. Wrong again. You don’t need to be male to be a dickweed.

            Oxford English Dictionary

            dickweed
            NOUN

            US
            slang, derogatory
            A stupid, obnoxious, or contemptible person (especially a man).

        • Tomcat

          Actually if this is all a republican did I would be saying exactly what I said, he should apologize.

  • Natty Enquirer

    I don’t see breast-grabbing. I see a gesture toward breast-grabbing and a stupid mug for the camera. This photo contradicts Tweeden’s claim.

  • Bluto

    It pains me to say this but fuck you Franken, you’re toast. I will not hold different standards dependent on political party or any other personal metric.

    • Tomcat

      Lets hold those stones for a while if you don’t mind. He did wrong, apologized and lets see if this is a normal behavior or not before crucifying him.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      I don’t see any parallel between Roy Moore, the relentless pedo; and a comedian’s stupid skit.

      • Bluto

        You’re absolutely correct, this doesn’t come close to moore. The question is, where do we draw the line?

        • Tomcat

          how about when they deny and say that the women are lying?

          • Bluto

            Sexual assault is now fully politicized. Bill Clinton did that so it’s OK that Roy Moore does this which is worst than what Al Franken did so he’s OK. In the meantime, we have president pussy grabber destroying the country butter emails.

    • another_steve

      It’s certainly not the equivalent of what Moore did (on many many occasions), but it’s quite possibly the end of Franken’s political career.

      Imagine his opponent’s TV ads – the next time Franken runs for reelection.

      • Lizard

        He’s not up for reelection until 2020. Three years is a long, long time with the current news cycle. If this stays right here, as it is, I think it’ll be totally lost in the noise by then.

  • Oh lord, the villagers are busy grabbing pitchforks and lighting torches again!

    • Natty Enquirer

      Don’t forget the boiling oil.
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-c-_HdJAxAM/hqdefault.jpg

      • Treant

        Mrs. Brady? Hawking cheap soybean, canola, and corn oil mix?

        NOOOOOOOO!

        • Natty Enquirer

          I suspect it will take more than one tablespoon to do Senator Franken.

          • Kelly Lape

            You’re a pig.

          • Treant

            And we like that.

  • Friday

    “Sex attacks,” Breitbart? Really? Leave it to the Right to take something dubious and make it sound like a spree of serial rape or something.

  • iambu

    ARRRGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • RLK2

    No matter what it looks bad. Not good for our side.

    • Gigi

      The thing is, we’ve never pretended to be holier-than-thou, family values types.

  • Joseph Miceli

    I am not doing this . I refuse to pile on Senator Frankin. The conserves will do it for me all while refusing to clean their own house. I refuse to help them .

  • Gigi

    Conservatives would think this was no biggie if Tweeden had been underage at the time.

    • Lizard

      “Just like Mary and Joseph and Jeeeeeeebus!”

  • Duh-David

    No woman deserves to be assaulted or made to feel uncomfortable, but I’m just putting this out there:

    Former conservative commentator for Hannity, former Playboy and Hooters model, autism activist accuses esteemed liberal politician.

  • boobert

    If you look hard enough you’ll find dirt on all of them . Did the washington post also pay this woman?

    • Talisman

      Sandy Rios used that same excuse when defending Moore the other day.

  • ChrisInKansas

    I don’t mean to demean women who have gone through horrible things, but this “he did bad things to me” accusing is just going to ruin people’s lives. All anyone has to do is make a false accusation and reputations, careers and lives are destroyed. And I don’t see a real solution to any of this. Stop believing people and actual victims won’t come forward. Make up or exaggerate a situation you wish didn’t happen, and a career and rep is gone.

    • Tread

      This is a pervasive issue that woman face everyday. Skeezy men feel like they have the right to touch whenever they want. I can’t count the number of times I’ve had a hand snake out in a crowded bar and grab my dick or my ass. I take it for what it is, but I get really pissed when I hear about it happening to women.

      • ChrisInKansas

        It is awful. I do have a problem with telling a story and being automatically believed. It could happen to anyone. No proof and boom! We believe you! Anyone’s life could be ruined this way.

        • ChrisInKansas

          I’m ready to be roasted, I suppose. I’m more than willing to be convinced otherwise.

          • Tread

            I’m not intending to roast you. People are going to lie to hurt other people, that’s going to happen. But I can’t not take allegations of sexual harassment seriously.

        • Treant

          Agreed. We’ve got the Satanic Daycares, and the very clear tendency for people to jump on board at the first accusation.

          Sorry, so far Takei has been pretty clear and nothing further has developed. My initial impression stands; the guy was lying.

  • Blake J Butler

    It’s convenient with the Moore debacle that Franken’s accusation comes up. I see it as a skit horrible but a skit, and political motivation by someone that frequents “Fox News”.

    This don’t look right. I see someone trying to deflect from the seriousness of Moore’s situation by trying to deflect on Franken.

    The timing couldn’t be more suspicious.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Worse! She frequents Hannity! and is a right wing hack!
      I am sure they cooked this up together.

      • Blake J Butler

        And hannity has been sucking Moore’s metaphorical cock with his scandal giving him a pass and defending him.

      • Kelly Lape

        Don’t shame the “victim” even if she is a Count…ry Singer.

        • Tread

          You misspelled cünt.

    • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

      Regarding timing, the accusations against Moore came up now that he is on the brink of receiving the power of being a US Senator. So, why didn’t this scar inflicted upon this woman by Franken come out when he was at the same brink?

      • Kelly Lape

        Because Franken is the GOP’s new Clinton. They’re looking for a new boogie man and who better than a Northern Jew?

  • GayOldLady

    I’m disappointed in Franken, but not surprised. Some men in power think they can behave in any way they like with women. It doesn’t matter where she worked/works, what she wore, what political party she belongs to, no woman should be subjected to unwanted sexual advances or be made the subject of sexual jokes or intimidation. Franken abused his position and power and behaved like a jerk. No Excuse

    • Kelly Lape

      Rehearsal.

      • GayOldLady

        Really. That’s not her story.

        • Kelly Lape

          You believe who you want. When scores of women come out of the woodwork to validate similar stories, we’ll talk.

          • GayOldLady

            Franken,isnt even defending himself. Why would you

          • thatotherjean

            Because one stupid, questionable incident reported by a woman with a motive to make trouble for the accused does not make a sexual abuser. He apologized. If there are similar stories from other women, I’ll re-think that.

          • GayOldLady

            Read his apology. He admits making a mistake. I don’t think other women will come forward, but he has requested an Ethics investigation as have Schumer and Gillibrand. This is the way to deal with the incident, otherwise we become them.

            Franken’s statement/apology is excellent
            https://www.facebook.com/senatoralfranken/posts/1553158881436655

          • Because he’s being smart; not making excuses (though he really probably could), not crying photoshop. He asked for an investigation of himself. If it’s true that this photo was staged and the accuser was IN ON THE JOKE–which is being said elsewhere–and that this is a Breitbart/Hannity setup, an investigation will bring that out. And Franken will come out looking quite good after everything.

            (No idea, by the way, if she was in on it, but the Hannity connection raises issues we haven’t seen elsewhere).

  • Lumpy Gaga

    “I’m doing something rapey. Take the picture!”

  • Tomcat

    Throw everyone out that is not gay. Gay people do not act this way to others.
    Just each other.

    • TampaDink

      A gay man who lived about 8 blocks away from us was sentenced to 200 yrs. if federal prison for serial date rape using drugs to incapacitate his victims. He is FINALLY awaiting trial for the 2 young men that he & his accomplice murdered. His accomplice received a 40 yr. federal sentence and has agreed to testify against the guy who owned the home, in exchange for a life sentence for his involvement in the killings. So…it may be rare, but it does happen. People from every walk of life can be pure evil.

  • justme

    Is this a variation of the GOP BOTH SIDES DO IT??
    Here the difference is Franken immediately stepped forward and apologized and explained himself.. Where’s our “good ol boy’s” apology

    • Lizard

      Note that Franken did not threaten the accuser with a defamation lawsuit.

  • Tomcat

    And Jimmy Carter lusted in his heart. Go after him again.

  • Natty Enquirer

    See the shadows under Franken’s hands? He is barely touching Tweeden if at all. This is a mock gesture. And yes, it’s tasteless. But it’s not a grope. If Tweeden misrepresents this photo, what else is she misrepresenting?

    • Tomcat

      Not to mention she is wearing a Kevlar vest.

      • The_Wretched

        Some guys like the feel of kevlar in the morning.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Apparently the photo and the alleged event are two different things, per posting by Tread. And comments by AF.

      • The_Wretched

        She’s leveraging the ‘joke’ photo to prove the other. It’s an claim beyond the evidence. Had she claimed the commedy skit contained jokes that made her uncomfortable the same way that photo does, that’d be parallel at least.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Tomcat

      Man they are fast when it is a Democrat.

      • thatotherjean

        Squirrel! Squirrel! Over here! Look over here!

        Newsflash, Mitch–Moore hasn’t gone away, and your President is still on the side of the Russians.

    • Tomcat

      They need to investigate everyone of them then.

    • Tread

      What the actual fuck.

    • Treant

      Just point out that there’s a list, and certainly we can add Franken. To the end of it.

  • Publius

    Some of these comments are disgusting, and beneath the dignity of the discourse here. You can’t slam sexual assault on Wednesday, and make excuses for it on Thursday. Sexual assault is inexcusable. Period.

    • Tomcat

      Al Franken agrees and has offered an apology so shut the fuck up about us accepting this behavior.

      • Publius

        Fuck you.

        People are still accepting the behavior, and denying it happened.

        • Tomcat

          You do not understand how this works asshole BYE.

          • Publius

            You are why we have a rape culture. Weak men refusing to stand up.

          • ChrisInKansas

            Yes, every accusation is the same as another!

          • Tread

            We are standing up, troll. Franken apologized already. Go back to Breitbart.

          • Publius

            There it is. It’s like Godwin’s law. The longer an internet argument goes, the closer the probability someone is compared to Hitler reaches 1.

            No excuses for sexual assault. If you’re not making excuses for sexual assault, then my comment doesn’t apply to you.

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            Not all sexual “assaults” are the same. I don’t believe this is a case of sexual assault.

          • Ernest Endevor

            That picture is not a sexual assault. I’m thinking you’ve never been backstage with a show. I don’t disagree that things should change but that’s not what’s going on here. Hannity is trying to silence and cause the resignation of a Democratic senator who has been effective in the past.

          • Tread

            I never accused you of being Hitler. I accused you of being a troll, with all of your glorious 685 comments who only seems to show up when some liberal is under fire.

          • Publius

            You didn’t compare me to Hitler, but your willingness to call me a troll is pretty close. You don’t know me or anything about me.

            I’m not a retiree with something like 40,000 comments like others here. I’m 29, work, and comment when something interests me, which is almost daily, except on weekends usually.

            And if you think I only comment when a liberal is under fire, then you have no idea what you’re talking about and you must never have seen my other comments. As far as stories about sexual misconduct, I comment in the same manner no matter the political affiliation of the accused or accuser.

          • The_Wretched

            I share CrankyPant’s flat laughter and burst out laughing as having your trolling noted is comparable to being called hitler.

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            ROFLMAO

    • Treant

      Devil’s advocate.

      Yep, this is the same as the forcible molestation of a fourteen year old girl. No difference there!

    • Spongebob CrankyPants

      Here is the problem…everything is considered sexual assault.

    • The_Wretched

      A comedian’s joke isn’t the same as abusing teen girls for decades or forcing sexual favors from all the women at Faux News. What’s disgusting is the double standard where republicans must have 7+ credible accusations from republican women and a liberal need only have a single accusation from a Faux News talking head.

      • Robert K Wright

        Roy Moore’s allegations began with one woman. Then there were more. Let’s see if anyone else says something. I’m a huge Franken fan, and this bothers me. The picture was in bad taste, and constitutes at a minimum sexual harassment, and possibly assault. No one should be pretending to grope someone in their sleep. He used this woman as a prop in a sexually explicit “joke”, without her consent. What is so hard to understand about that? Jokes like this in a comedy act are one thing, when done to a sleeping woman for your own pleasure is another.

        • The_Wretched

          Frankin is not Moore. Let’s wait and see. It’s premature to assume there will be the same long line of women.

      • Publius

        I don’t think Al Franken would agree with your characterization. Nor do I think he would have a problem with the idea that Democrats should be held to higher standards than Roy Moore.

        I think I may come away from this whole episode having more respect for Al Franken — who has taken responsibility — than for the apologists here who perpetuate rape culture.

        • The_Wretched

          You’ll forgive me if I’m very uninterested with how a right wing troll imagines Al Franken’s views. I can read his written response that another commentator posted.

          • Publius

            Someone has challenged you for making excuses for sexual assault, and they’re now a troll. Your echo chamber must be comfy.

            Apologists like yourself are the reason we have continued rape culture, and a whole host of men in positions of power who have gotten away with sexual assault. Apologists. Excuses. You’re not an unintelligent person, but you are dead wrong on this. Political affiliation should have nothing to do with how sexual assault accusations are perceived.

          • The_Wretched

            It’s really weird to be accused of supporting rape culture from a republican. Again, maximal accusations from you on minimal evidence.

  • Tread

    For everyone’s attention: the photo is not of the incident. I repeat, the photo is not of the incident. It’s a stupid, tasteless photo that Franken should have known better to take. The right wing media are trying to tie the two together. Don’t get sucked into their bullshit.

    • Duh-David

      Can this be anchored to the top? I’ve already heard this morning, “I saw the picture and I can make my own conclusion.”

    • ChrisInKansas

      So who is the woman? Is that not the accuser?

      • Tread

        You are correct, it is the accuser. But it is not the incident she claims happened.

        • ChrisInKansas

          Okay.

    • whollyfool

      Isn’t the picture kind of its own incident? I love Al and I don’t think he should resign, but I want to make sure I’m not engaging in whataboutism of my own. 🙁

  • Kelly Lape

    Franken is clearly posing for the photo and his face is over characterized in the fashion of comedy as a lech. To take what is clearly a photo of self deprecation as an assault is clearly a partisan attack by a person who believes Americans are so fucking stupid they’ll believe anything.

    To look at that photo and not understand that Franken is making HIMSELF the butt of the joke as a lech is just ludicrous.

    Don’t buy the Conservative Hail Mary to distract from the pedophile Roy Moore.

  • Will Parkinson

    Guess what? He fucked up. He’s wrong. He did it, and shouldn’t have waited to be called about it.

    BUT…

    Now Republicans are saying they want to launch investigations, they want to get to the truth. Funny how that only occurs for Democrats, but Republicans seem to almost always get a pass.

    Franken should be censured for his behavior, I have no qualms about that, but don’t excuse Trump while trying to hold others to a different standard.

  • Kelly Lape

    How far America has sunk when a Breitbart story is taken seriously. Sad.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Google “Leanne Tweedon Hannity”. The left sure does love to lose. It’s not like healthcare and billionaire tax cuts are at stake.

    • Ernest Endevor

      I see.

  • Robin Bailey

    A crude joke in poor taste at a USO show? I’m shocked! I imagine how all the poor soldiers who were subjected to it must have clucked their tongues and blushed.

  • Tomcat

    Can you imagine all the things Bob Hope did that would be disgusting theses days?

  • yes b’y

    wifey said she wouldn’t kick her outta bed for eating crackers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO1nNA5qUZM

    • Mike

      The Boston Globe characterizes her as a “news anchor.” News flotation device is more apt.

      • yes b’y

        LOL, finally someone with a sense of humour

    • another_steve

      No problem whatsoever with her being totally totally sexual like that for all the world to see. She’s beautiful with a beautiful body. Flaunt it, babe.

      But when someone attempts to touch you sexually… you scream foul?

      • Randy Ellicott

        Seriously? What the hell is wrong with you, if a women dresses sexy she deserves to be assaulted? If this story or true or not, you are one sick puppy if you think a woman should just take it if she decided to look alluring…

      • Lizard

        NO NO NO NO NO. Omg, this is just an extension of “She was asking for it” to shame rape victims. Don’t!

        • another_steve

          Not with you on this one, Lizard.

          If I’m in a sex-related industry – if I flaunt my beautiful body so that all can see it and masturbate to it – that’s perfectly 100 percent okay. I’ve got zero issues with that.

          But actions have consequences. Someone’s going to think it’s okay to touch me inappropriately. I can certainly say “look at this, but don’t touch it,” and I certainly would say that.

          But when someone tries to touch me (in a non-violent way, as Franken did here), I cry out “I’m shocked! Shocked, I say!” ?

          Please.

          I try to stay reality-centered, though to be honest it’s really really hard to do these days – in this irrational and insane world of ours.

          • Randy Ellicott

            So if a woman is a model in playboy it’s ok for someone to come up and simulate grabbing her breasts? If she is a Victoria’s Secret model she should expect that any man can shove his tongue in her mouth for any performance whether she wants to or not? You have gone beyond this particular incident, which the merits of are debatable, you’re laying down a line that women have to set limits on what they do with their lives and their bodies because mene should not be expected to control themselves. seriously?

      • yes b’y

        yes, I agree

      • Pip

        She could walk around naked all day long down every main street in this country. That’s her prerogative. Nothing in that invites or asks for inappropriate touching by someone. Unless a person asks you to touch them, then you shouldn’t. It’s not a hard concept to understand. I don’t get why folks can’t grasp this. It goes back to preschool or kindergarten. When someone has a toy you want but it isn’t yours, just because you want it doesn’t mean you’re entitled to it. Just apply that to another person’s body.

        • another_steve

          Avoidance of personal responsibility. I see it and hear it everywhere, left-wingers and right-wingers included.

          If I’m in kindergarten and I hold out my toy tantalizingly to little Johnny and say, “Hey, Johnny… Bet you’d like to have this toy. Hehe… wouldn’t ya, Johnny?,” and then little Johnny grabs the toy out of my hands and runs away with it — okay with you, Pip, if I then go running to my mommy, crying “Johnny took my toy, mommy! Johnny took my toy!”?

          I don’t get why folks can’t grasp this.

          • Pip

            You want to talk personal responsibility and then make excuses that someone was ‘tantalizing’ someone else to the point of them losing control and taking what they want when it isn’t theirs to take. It is no one else’s responsibility to control your id but you. If you lose control of yourself and violate someone else’s rights, property, body, etc that is your failing. Not the person who had the ‘tantalizing’ property, body, etc. You are in control of yourself and you better damn well control yourself or there will be consequences you will face.

            Still not understanding why this is so hard to grasp.

          • another_steve

            The “tantalizer” bears part of the responsibility. S/he’s responsible for her/his actions.

            There’s a thing called “human nature,” Pip. Sometimes it’s embarrassing and inconvenient. But it’s a real thing.

            If I tantalize you and you act upon it, I am partly responsible.

    • Randy Ellicott

      See this isn’t helpful. Whether or not the allegations are true or trumped up, trying to shame or paint the female accuser as a sex object is a way to deflect from the possible crime. This is why women dont come forward, because anything they have done in the past or present will be used against them as causing a man to touch her….

    • The_Wretched

      Irrelevant and inappropriate. The misdeeds or not of Frankin don’t hinge on her making money from her body.

      • yes b’y

        FU

  • joe ho

    Lucky for the Marx brothers, they’re all dead. Feigned lechery was a big part of their schtick.

  • Randy Ellicott

    He apologized for the photo, which was a bad attempt at juvenile humor at a females expense, however he only said that he does not recall the rehearsal the same way as the lady does. She says he forcibly french kissed her in an over rehearsing for a skit she did not feel comfortable with. Given her background and the timing of this announcement i am inclined to side with Al’s memory of this, however that does not mean we can dismiss this without verification simply because she is a conservative. NO this is not the same thing as a history of molesting underaged kids, or serially molesting/raping people with whom you have power over, but it is still important to be verified and dealt with. Also becasue someone apologizes for a crime doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have to pay the consequences for that crime, whether that crime is assault or defamation.

    • Do Something Nice

      Stop. Given the timing of Moore’s accusers, Spacey’s accusers. . .

      People are coming forward with stories now because of Weinstein. And I’m glad they are.

      • Randy Ellicott

        I may not have articulated my thoughts well as i am in complete agreement with you. I was trying to say that the assault accusation needs to be taken seriously, the picture is irrelevant to that. I did add that given this particular person’s background as a conservative pundit and the timing with the Moor issues it does seem to be a bit fishy, but that should not cause us to write it off. If he is guilty he should pay for that.

      • The_Wretched

        Can we wait until Frankin has more than 1 fox news guest’s comments?

      • Natty Enquirer

        Not like politics could have anything to do with anything.

        • Do Something Nice

          With Moore? With Franken?

          • The_Wretched

            Both but they aren’t the same.

        • coram nobis

          “But sex is politics,” Gore Vidal once said.

          “But sex is politics,” I began … and ended.
          I got two blank stares. I might just as well have said that the Pelagian heresy will never take root in south Amish country. Neither the conservative nor the reactionary had ever heard anyone say anything like that before and I knew that I could never explain myself in the seven remaining in-depth minutes of air time.

      • There are degrees. And a risk of diluting the very real, horrifying stories of molestation, assault, intimidation, and all the rest, with cases of discomfort and tasteless behavior. I’m a fan of Franken and Takei, I’ll admit, and probably inclined to cut them slack absent other cases. But I’ve been trying to weigh these cases between each other, left right and indifferent. And they’re simply not all the same. As I said in another post, this one in particular sets my spidey-sense tingling. It’s the Hannity connection, and the jackpot of having an “incriminating” photo.

    • Spongebob CrankyPants

      Memory is malable.

  • boobert

    It’s a crazy mixed up world. It won’t stop anytime soon. The right found a questionable incident and they’re outraged. But proven cases of dating teens , being banned from a mall and grabbing them by the pussy is okay.

  • Mike

    If Al Franker is a sex attacker, then so is Poppy Bush. Pull down the portraits, bulldoze Kennebunkport, erase his name from history, Poppy is a sex attacker. Or, we could all take a deep breath.

    • The_Wretched

      By all accounts, Poppy Bush grabbed ass regularly for years and included teens as president and after and as recently as the last couple of years. We’re still at 1 motivated accusation that’s overstated for Frankin.

  • joe ho

    mcconnell wants to give cover for sessions, since franken is sessions’ most strident attacker.

    • Lizard

      Franken also seems to be moving towards a presidential run in 2020. If Franken ran against Trump, Franken would win.

      • thatotherjean

        While I hope Trump is behind bars well before 2020, Franken beating Trump by a landslide if he’s not would be a very good thing for the country.

  • Kevin Perez

    I look forward to the next few days when all of Al Franken’s accusers begin to come forward. I’ll just hold my breath over here.

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  • Lumpy Gaga

    Without making any judgment about the details which have emerged, I find that I cannot emotionally work up a head of steam about Franken or (here we go) Louis CK, both of whom I admire, respect, and support greatly.

    Two very different stories, those two, but what I apparently share with Moore’s supporters in Alabama is a blind spot that perhaps forgives too much, but is not getting cured any time soon.

  • JustDucky

    Franken didn’t have any real power over Tweeden, right? He couldn’t have derailed her career? So here’s what I don’t get…

    From her post:

    “Franken said he had written a part for me that he thought would be funny, and I agreed to play along.

    When I saw the script, Franken had written a moment when his character comes at me for a ‘kiss’. I suspected what he was after, but I figured I could turn my head at the last minute, or put my hand over his mouth, to get more laughs from the crowd.”

    If she was uncomfortable with kissing Franken on stage, why agree to do it at all? Why not say “yeah, no” or tell him that she wanted that part of the script changed to reflect what she was planning to do?

    Her version of events is pretty gross, don’t get me wrong. But I don’t understand why she agreed to kiss him in the first place when she didn’t want to.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Gillibrand’s specialty is sexual harassment in the military. One could argue that in this “guys at war letting off some steam” stance some posters are taking, we’re a part of that.

      For Franken’s part, he spent many years telling people exactly how they should be putting the show on in a barn: where to look, stand, turn their heads, etc. It’s its own kind of chain-of-command culture.

      Perhaps this victim did not feel comfortable objecting in this environment (although I have a hard time believing any right winger can keep their trap shut about Al Franken), but in any case, unless their “rehearsal” was in a locked room behind closed doors, meh.

  • TampaDink

    Clearly the victim in the photo is no more than 14 yrs. old….and was obviously drugged….and we all can expect the graphic videos of “what happened next” to be on the evening news….on fox.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    What the hell is going on ?

  • Ninja0980

    Bottom line… I have a feeling this is the end of Franken’s political career.

    • Tread

      Yeah, pretty much. Stupid lecherous behavior.

  • I feel his apology is at least better than LCK’s was. Louis C K’s apology was more of a humblebrag…

  • Hank

    If you ever listen to Al Franken’s 2 White House Correspondents’ Dinner speeches, when he was the gust comedian in the 90’s….. BEFORE he went into politics. you can tell, that some of his jokes, fell flat. I suspect, like the photo, that I am seeing, the incident, was probably pretty much the same.

  • iambu

    Ok. For the people having the touching/not touching fights: Regardless of physical contact, it can still be humiliating and make you feel unsafe for someone to do this to you. I’m not weighing in on what should be done with Franken, whether it’s some kind of setup, whether the photo constitutes assault or harassment, none of it. All I’m saying is that, hypothetically, if I’m in an environment where I need to worry about someone miming a sexual act on or near my body, and the potential of them photographing it every time I doze off in their vicinity, I’m gonna feel unsafe and the picture will have the power to humiliate me. K?

  • Taylor

    Damn it, Al. Damn,it. Damn, it. Damn it.

  • canoebum

    So, he’s admitting to taking a tasteless photo. That’s it. Given the fact that in 2006 he was not a politician, but a well-known writer and comedian, taking tasteless photos would be consistent with his work as an entertainer. Especially as an SNL alum, tasteless jokes are a big part of his past success. As to the other accusations, they seem to be a little too convenient to me. A lie can travel halfway ’round the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      And who is taking the photo? How well cropped it is too. This was pretty obviously her friends wanting a celebrity to take funny pictures. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was mock-sleeping, just as Franken is mock-groping.

  • safari

    Disappointing.

  • ByronK

    Deeply disappointed and saddened. Wtf, Al?

  • JCF

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3757/174/original.gif

    Well, so much for “Franken 2020”. Goddammit. Hah-hah-hah. Fuck you, Al. FFS. WTF. Goddammit!!!

    • JCF

      So 3 minutes of scrolling, and I see I’m going to have to stay off JMG today.

      God, this is NOT a partisan issue. The ABUSED get to define their abuse, and NO ONE else. Period!

      https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3757/174/original.gif

      • Randy Ellicott

        you might want to read his recent statment, posted a few mins after this post by tread.

  • tbj5

    It seems to be a he said / she said w.r.t. the actual kissing. He apologized for the photo, and says the rehearsal wasn’t exactly like she says it was.

    The rightwing nuts predictably have been spreading that he apologized for it all.

    There’s no reason to dismiss her claims, but unless other women come forward, or any witnesses, this may be an actual case of her word against his, and a court should decide it. Unless Franken chooses to clarify his statements.

    • The_Wretched

      Court? There’s statute of limitations and questions of venue. Further, there has to be enough of a case to charge. This one isn’t close to there yet.

  • coram nobis

    Makes me wonder whether anybody with a career previous to politics would be free of some incident in their past. Certainly the cast of Monty Python probably wouldn’t have qualified as MPs, at least not Tories.

    The foremost criterion should be whether this politician (or Hollywood celebrity) built a career on moral scolding.

  • Tread
    • tbj5

      Thanks for posting this, I hadn’t read anywhere yet that he was calling for an investigation into himself.

    • Hank

      THAT is INDEED an appropriate apology!!!Not only for doing/thinking, but asking for an investigation!!! It shows the difference between, what men may think is “funny” vis a vis women, and a man that is truly sorry for his outlook, etc.
      EVERYONE should READ the statement!!!!

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      This is how it’s done.

    • Do Something Nice

      Thanks for posting this. For me it is a ‘game changer.’ I await the results of the investigation.

    • ByronK

      Well, I will say that this statement is more reflective of the type of person I had come to believe Al is. Good on him. This is what a real ally looks like.

    • Randy Ellicott

      That is how it’s supposed to be done. The fact is that we have built our society with systemic misogyny and racism that is prevalent weather you are on the right or the left, however this shows that those on the left are able to see their failings and work to improve them.

    • Cuberly Deux

      He did exactly what he should, investigate. Air it out.

    • katkelly57

      Nevah, evah will you see an R do this….

  • coram nobis

    To put things in perspective, if they can get away with a bad-taste comedy skit, then why pick on Al?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

    • TampaDink

      EIOKIYAR…..Everything. “you can do anything….grab ’em by the pussy”.

  • Gigi
  • JWC

    from here on in expect anything but also understand YOU let a pussy grabber become President

  • coram nobis

    It’s an old story, especially if you know the history of comedy.

    https://youtu.be/khXJqedYRpw

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Franken (D) sits on several important senate committees……..
    The accuser is a known rightwinger.
    All im saying

    • JAKvirginia

      And…. named as a Top Hooters Girl of All Time! Her wiki page is a delight. See “Career”.

      So, the indictment will read:
      — Kissed me too hard during a rehearsel done YEARS ago (but I’m choosing to bitch about it now cuuzzz…. maybe my “career” could use a boost?)
      — Play grabbed at my boobs in a staged photo that the whole world has seen. I swear I was asleep at the time…. sitting up….. wearing a flak jacket…. and a helmet….. asleep. (Well, I WAS!)

      Boy… that’s some pretty powerful stuff. Maybe we can pull Mueller away from his trivialities to investigate this.

  • Jeffrey

    I don’t give a fuck about this staged photo, no matter how inappropriate especially when REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING A CHILD MOLESTER WHO IS BANNED FROM CERTAIN PUBLIC PLACES BECAUSE HE CANT KEEP HIS DICK OUT OF KIDS.

  • #metoo……Back when I was in high school, I lucked into a job as a busser at a country club. Lucky because the bussers shared a percentage of collected tips (rare at that time) and they fed us supper which was important due to my family’s money struggles. So, because I have a female body, I was required to wear a skirt. One night while filling water glasses, one of the members, in a lighting fast movement got his hand not only up my skirt, but inside my underwear. I shrieked and poured the entire pitcher of ice water on his lap. The member wanted me fired at once. The manager was a fantastic fella, and not only refused to fire me, but stood up for me! The membership of the groper was revoked and I was allowed to wear the same uniform as the guys, jacket, bow tie, white dress shirt and black trousers. Funnily enough, most of the members didn’t know if I was a male or female and would get that question a lot, I always said male! How freeing that was.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Sorry that happened 🙁
      But I’m glad you had great support!

      • The reason I wrote about this, is to illustrate just how pervasive the male entitlement over women’s bodies truly is. At this stage I was nearly flat, with no curves, wore no makeup, and had a short hair style that was gender neutral. All he truly had to go on was my skirt, and that was enough for him.

        The BMOC mythology has really harmed women’s efforts to be taken seriously. As equals, both in intellect/ability and in sexual desires. Something that continues to this day. Look at news readers, or watch any sports show with women commentators. The men are dressed for business- suits/ties/jackets, the ladies mostly wear clothing that says “party”. Bare arms, low tops, very very short skirts, and skin tight all around. So while the women are “allowed” to be news/sports readers, they first and foremost must be decorative.

        • Friday’s_cat

          It was always the spike heels for me. How can anybody stand in those for any length of time let alone run a marathon? Why can’t female presenters dress professionally?

    • whollyfool

      Thank you for sharing that.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Thanks for telling us.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Tread

      Jesus. There’s no circular firing squad like the one the Democratic party owns. Why the fuck aren’t the same demands being made of Trump? Same excuses he made for his lecherous behavior apply to Senator Franken, don’t they?

      • Randy Ellicott

        To be fair i think all these Democrats have said the saame thing about trump and Moore. Because he is a democrat should not exempt him from investigation. The difference is that the Republicans generally stay silent when its one of their own but attack when its one of ours… Also note that Franken himself has called for an ethics investigation on himself…

      • gaycuckhubby

        I, for one, am thrilled the Dems are taking it seriously and are the party of accountability

        • Yeah, it sets a good example, and I just hate that it’s Franken. Especially when this woman is a pal of Hannity’s and my spidey-sense is all tingling and such. But probably best that they treat this seriously.

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Michael McReavy

    Are there any heroes on the American political stage? Do they all have their dirty secrets just waiting to be revealed? It’s disheartening to think so but maybe it’s humanizing.

  • Slim Compersion

    I have no problem with this ending Franken’s political career. I will conscientiously keep that opinion, lest I consider anyone’s political influence or opinions as more important.

    Are any Trump or Moore supporters willing to say the same about them?

  • GayOldLady

    “Sen. Chuck Schumer calls for ethics probe on Franken”

    “Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand would support and ethics investigation into Franken, her aide told CNN.”

    And this is the way that responsible Politicians behave in the face of allegations. No one, Democrat or Republican, should be seated in the U.S. Congress if she or he has committed sexual assault or sexual battery or has forced her/his affection on another. I hope Franken can survive an examination of his behavior, but if he can’t he has to go.

  • Jamie_Johnson

    Well, the right has their sacrificial lamb now.

  • SoCalGal20

    Do the investigation that Franken himself is calling for and get it over and done. The picture was crass and juvenile (and an assault if he actually grabbed her) but unless he has a pattern of doing this, I’m just going to chalk it up to crappy judgement and conduct and move on. I think most of us have done things (not necessariily sexual) that would warant an ethics investigation in Congress or getting called out for shitty behavior at some point in our lives.

    • Mark

      butt if this was a republican would you say… I’m just going to chalk it up to crappy judgement and conduct and move on? Bet not.

      • SoCalGal20

        If it’s a one- off incident and doesn’t involve rape or children? I sure would just chalk up to crappy judgement and move on. However, if more women come out about Al Franken, and the claims are appear legitimate (such as the evidence with Roy Moore about him being banned from the mall, the signed yearbook, corroborating witnesses, etc) then he needs to resign.

      • Yeah, I think so. Given context like this? A skit, and a staged photo? And absent any other charges? Yes.

  • Adonisus

    As they said on The Young Turks, be prepared for more allegations like this. As much as I like Franken, this behavior is rampant in Congress and pretty much every male member of congress (including people you probably really like) is culpable in some way.

    • Robert K Wright

      Except this wasn’t while he was in Congress. This behavior is rampant. Period.

    • BobSF_94117

      You’re saying there’s a lot of improvisational comedy in Congress?

  • Friday’s_cat

    From the Department of Decent People Doing Stupid Things:
    Roy Moore is or was a predator, Al Franken the class clown.

  • BobSF_94117

    People have lost their minds.

  • RepublicansRNotConservative

    Wow, I am very disappointed to see this story. Franken is/has been an incredibly eloquent Senator, and one of our best inquisitors. What a stunning lapse in judgement. This, along with George Takei’s alleged bad behavior, are disheartening. Its been a long week.

    I can’t stand anything about Roy Moore, and I want our team to stay above the pale so we trounce that hypocrite.

  • TallBearNC

    This is so not sexual assault

    Maybe tacky… But it’s not assault or any sort of crime that should be punished

    • -M-

      It might be.

      But yeah it’s one allegation of possible assault, which still should be taken seriously, vs well established patterns of abuse in cases like Trump, Moore, Weinstein, Spacey etc.

    • Mark

      Why?

      • TallBearNC

        Because he’s not actually touching her

        • Mark

          He grabbed her breast. That would be touching.

          • ECarpenter

            There are shadows under his fingers in that photo. That doesn’t happen if you’re actually touching something, does it? Give it a try, you’ll see.

            It was a posed pic, relying on the single lens to make it seem like he was touching.

          • He’s faking it for the camera, you can see the shadows. And that’s a Kevlar vest, how can he grab her breast through all of that?

        • Rrhain

          And that makes it OK?

          She’s asleep. Are you saying that because he didn’t follow through with it, that somehow negates what he did?

      • TallBearNC

        If someone pretended to grab my crotch while I was asleep and took a picture of it, I would not be offended. And actually just that has happened many times when I was in college by my fellow gay friends and fraternity brothers

        People are starting to get way too overly sensitive about things nowadays… That’s not to say bad things happen… But it’s getting to the point where it’s hard to even flirt with somebody or even put your hand on the shoulder without them screaming assault or harassment

        • Rrhain

          Oh…I see…because *YOU* don’t care, that means nobody else should.

          Thanks…I didn’t realize that you were the standard by which everything should be judged.

          If you can’t “flirt” without being a dick, then you don’t know how to flirt.

          If you can’t refrain from touching people without their consent, then perhaps you need to remove yourself from the company of others until you learn how to control yourself.

          • The trauma level is questionable here, as with the Takei case, IMO. It’s NOT assault, he didn’t grab her, he mimed it. The kiss. . .I think without the photo being part of this disclosure, it could be dismissed as he said/she said given the context. Which is probably why Right Wing World was giddy with glee having that photo. If there are more accusers in the wings, or this went any further than it looks, I’ll retract my opinion, but I don’t see this as even close to on a plane with say, Trump or Moore.

          • Rrhain

            So your argument comes down to, “I don’t believe her.” Got it.

            Besides, he *did* grab her, he *did* stick his tongue in her mouth without consent, and thus he *did* assault her. The photo, taken while she was asleep, simply points out that he didn’t think anything of letting her know that he was still capable of wielding power over her. Surely you aren’t saying that it isn’t harassment if there aren’t bruises afterward, are you?

            As I’ve said: He apologized and she accepted. If we’re going to believe her regarding the accusation, shouldn’t we also listen to her with regard to the consequences? Perhaps that’s enough, but let’s not pretend that this is *exactly* what it looks like.

          • *Did* he? Well, even if her remembrance is 100% spot-on, he technically had permission for the kiss. Who’s to say a big sloppy comedic kiss wasn’t intended? I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but it is possible that the facts as presented are lacking context. It’s not that I don’t believe her, it’s that unless this is joined by a chorus of other stories, I’m willing to have the story fleshed out by others who were there, and by Franken himself.

          • Rrhain

            BWAHAHAHA! He had permission to put his tongue in her mouth? Are you kidding me?

            I had this *exact* scenario happen to me (#MeToo). I was doing Cabaret playing Cliff. Well, Cliff and Sally kiss and indeed, we rehearsed that kiss. But one day during a performance, that kiss from her came with something extra. When I brought it up after the performance, she noticed that something was off in that scene and when I pointed out that she stuck her tongue in my mouth, she was shocked as she didn’t realize she was doing it. She was getting into the scene and it just happened.

            Are you honestly saying you can’t tell the difference between a “big sloppy kiss” played for comedic effect and sticking your tongue in someone’s mouth? Are you honestly saying you are incapable of playing a kiss for comedic effect without using your tongue in the process? It’s two people on a stage from 50 feet away…nobody’s going to see you using your tongue, so why do you have to use it?

            And even if you can’t, even if you are physically incapable of kissing someone without using your tonuge, don’t you think you should tell the other person before you do it?

            So yeah, it’s *precisely* that you don’t believe her.

            As I have repeatedly said: He has apologized and she has accepted and said she doesn’t want it to go any further. Is that enough? Perhaps. But let’s not pretend that this isn’t *exactly* what it looks like.

          • Let me state this simply, the story strikes me as dubious. I believe the bones of it are true, but it strikes me as dubious. If you take that as “I don’t believe her,” fine.

            But one more thing, and I’ll drop it, because I agree with you, he apologized, she accepted and yada, yada:

            Ever see a series of sketches on SNL about an overly affectionate family? A couple of times, it included Paul Rudd. The whole family gives big, wet openmouthed kisses, to the point of absurdity. It’s run half a dozen times or so. THAT is what I was thinking of with Al wanting to practice the kiss. I have no idea if the skit was like that, but it’s what I thought of. We don’t know. And that’s that. I bid you adieu.

          • Rrhain

            And don’t you think they practiced that? That they talked about what they were going to do? That they understood before going in what was going to happen?

            Or do you think they only said, “And then we’ll kiss,” and left it up in the air until broadcast? See, the difference between a “big sloppy kiss for comedic effect” and what happened with Franken is that the Rudd sketch had buy-in from all the participants. That’s how professionals work. You don’t just spring things on people.

            You’ve seen the infamous Carol Burnett sketch with Tim Conway doing the story about the conjoined elephants connected at the trunk, yes? Catch the end when he’s done and Vicki Lawrence turns to the rest of the cast and says, “Is that asshole finished”? Yeah, it was hilarious, but it was also unprofessional and rude. Fortunately, the way they recorded the show, they did multiple takes and they already had one in the can when Conway, who was known for pulling these stunts, decided to do it. Since they knew the take was ruined, they decided to go with it and Lawrence decided to get a good one in on Conway in the process. Great. That’s buy-in.

            You really think that would have been the same if he had leaned over to kiss Lawrence in the middle of this spontaneous monologue and stuck his tongue in her mouth? No. He didn’t have buy-in for that.

            And we *do* know because she told us what the sketch was about, how it originally didn’t have a kiss, how Franken decided to add one, how she proposed her turning her head at the last second because she didn’t really think a kiss was necessary nor did she want to kiss him, how he said no to that but insisted on the kiss, and then how during the performance he stuck his tongue in her mouth.

            So once again, you don’t believe her.

          • Rrhain, I really tried to disengage, but I’ll answer.
            I don’t know. We don’t know the details of the sketch, we don’t know what really went down, we have her recollection, and Franken saying he doesn’t remember it the same way. The truth is often in the middle, and we don’t know what it is. But, as stated by both of us, they both have seemingly put a button on this. So, unless this does go to investigation, and something like that comes out, it’s all just speculation. We don’t have to agree.

  • Gigi

    Tweeden accepts Franken’s apology:

    “The apology, sure I accept it, yes. People make mistakes and of course he knew he made a mistake . . . So yes I do accept that apology. There’s no reason why I shouldn’t accept his apology.”

    • Tread

      IT’S NOT ENOUGH. THE PURIST LEFT MUST HAVE HIS HEAD ON THEIR BAYONETS.

  • Jymn Parrett

    Tweeden and Morgan are Fox News regulars, including the Sean Hannity show. Just sayin’….

  • peacfulseas inWA

    Tweeden is being interviewed by Tapper. Fake tears. I don’t doubt the forced kiss but I want to hear from others who were also on that flight. There are at least 2 other people present, the guy to her left and the photographer.

  • shivadog

    Not Al, I had such high hopes for him. I never liked him as a comedian, but I thought he was doing a great job as a politician. I don’t think sexual harassment should be tolerated, but considering who his only accuser is I’m taking this with a grain of salt.

  • EastCoastJ

    “Phenomenally disappointed to hear about Franken’s reprehensible, disgusting behavior – a Senator I previously respected. And yet I find I am not surprised to hear that another member of a group made up predominantly of older white men who are wealthy, powerful, and protected by legions of assistants, attorneys and the power of their positions is a petri dish of sexism, misogyny and sexual harassment.” Is older, white, wealthy…..all bad ?? We’re seeing all kinds of bigotry spouted all over the place lately.

  • EastCoastJ

    At least Franken hasn’t tried to blame Russian bots like George Takei did.

  • Mako

    We really need to wake up. Roger Stone’s hands are all over this and this was tweeted before the allegation was even made. How could he have known this beforehand?

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming

    https://twitter.com/StoneColdTruth/status/931042351459504128

    Do not be fooled. This is a disinformation campaign by the far-right to try to run interference for Roy Moore. We’re watching the same tactics from 2016 unfold all over again, and the right isn’t even trying to hide it. Please do not rush to try and sacrifice one of our own; we’ve played into it once. Let’s not fall for it again.

    Look at the source and the context of it all. Then make an informed conclusion.

    I hope Joe posts the article about Roger Stone’s involvement in this. It’s HIGHLY relevant to this whole debacle.

    • Tread

      That’s what a lot of us have been saying since this morning when the news broke. He’s too monumentally stupid to keep from gloating. The one instance where I’m glad that Twitter enables idiots to post their deepest, darkest secrets.

      • Mako

        Yeah, I just hope this gets put out there so people who rushed to judgment or whatever know the real facts surrounding this. This is a hitjob.

        Hell, apparently Infowars knew about it beforehand too.

        https://twitter.com/DewsNewz/status/931044326339211264

        This is a rightwing smear campaign going into overdrive.

  • BobSF_94117

    This is absurd. That isn’t sexual harassment. That’s a gag. He’s a comedian.

    • lymis

      Honestly, it’s all three.

      • ECarpenter

        It was obviously a staged photo without any real touching (see the shadows under his fingers) and we don’t know what the context was -he was pretending for the camera, was she pretending too? What was the discussion before the photo? What was the discussion after it? How did she end up owning the photo?

        • Rrhain

          Because it was on the CD that was made of the event and given to all of the participants. She was asleep and Franken knew that she would see that picture.

          There was no “discussion before the photo” because she was asleep. So even though he wasn’t touching her, it’s still sexual harassment because it’s an image of her being vulnerable to sexual molestation while asleep.

          Now, Franken apologized and she accepted his apology. Is that enough? Perhaps, but let’s not pretend that this isn’t *exactly* what it looks like.

          • What it isn’t, is molestation, fondling or assault. But it’s being equated with those. Like the Takei case, it’s magnified both by the current environment and the fact that they’re outspoken liberals. Which is why Breitbart has screech level on eleven.

          • Rrhain

            Oh, I see…because she wasn’t stripped naked and raped, then it’s OK. Got it. It only counts if someone has to go to the hospital.

            “I could have molested you” is something that people just say to each other out-of-hand as they, as Colbert put it tonight, draw a penis on your face while you’re wide awake. There is absolutely no cause for concern when you open up your souvenir photo album and find the guy who previously shoved his tongue down your throat is about to grab your breasts…because that means for absolute certainty that nothing else happened, right?

            By the way, who’s “equating” anything? The picture was sexual harassment and everybody is calling it that.

            The shoving of his tongue down her throat…that’s assault.

            As I said elsewhere, he apologized and she has accepted it. Is that enough? Perhaps. After all, if we’re going to believe her regarding her accusation, shouldn’t we also believe her regarding what she thinks the consequences should be? But let us not pretend that it isn’t *exactly* what it appears to be. As for Breitbart, since when do we care what they think? The idea of treating people with decency and respect doesn’t get tossed for political reasons. We are adult enough to realize that there’s a difference between what Franken did and what Moore/Trump/Thomas did. There’s already another person claiming Franken stalked her after an episode of Real Time. I don’t put too much stock in it (given the details that I have heard), but it does mean that we need to treat Franken’s behaviour seriously.

          • If it’s true that the photo was a mock-up, and that she was play acting too (which has been floating around, no idea if it is true), the context would be very different. We don’t know, and can’t pretend we DO know. It would be nice to hear the recollections of those present, including the photographer.

          • Rrhain

            It’s not a mockup. We do know and it is disingenuous at best to pretend that we don’t.

            Franken has apologized for the behaviour. If you can’t believe him, what more do you need?

          • You’re right, I phrased that badly. I didn’t mean that the photo was mocked up, merely that it is obviously staged, a mock groping, a poor joke but a joke. Yes he apologized, and kudos for that. And she has apparently repeatedly accepted and is not calling for him to step down. I don’t need anything else, I think that should be the end of it. But Al shouldn’t go down in history as some kind of molester if this was exaggerated. As I said, I’d love to hear the recollections of the others present.

          • Robert K Wright

            For fucks sake we DO know, Franken has spoken to the issue, yet you seem to want to continue litigating what he’s already admitted to. Your logic sounds like “old hickory house wasn’t even in business then”, or “look st those sevens, they aren’t his handwriting”. God sometimes our own side is worse than theirs. Can’t claim we are better if you continue to excuse what the person involved in has already admitted to and apologized for. Gag.

          • >sigh<

            No, he really didn't admit to what people are accusing him of. He didn't seem to grope her, and really couldn't through all that gear, he said the picture was intended to be funny but wasn't. Which is true. I continue to think the photo (which admittedly looks bad from any angle, but doesn't show a grope) was used to boost the kissing/skit story, and I continue to believe that this is WAY overblown (even if all of it is true), not on par with Moore or most other cases in the media, and very possibly suspiciously motivated. I DID NOT excuse him, even HE didn't excuse himself. I'm allowed to my opinion, and to me, this story isn't resignation worthy.

  • j.martindale

    He was a man acting like a jerk. It isn’t funny, and women have a right to be incensed about it. It probably means no one will be talking about Franken for President anymore. Wish I could find something to say in his defense. He was a jerk is the best I can come up with, and that it is the sort of stupid moronic thing that adolescents did when I was in high school.

  • ECarpenter

    It’s clearly a jerkish staged pic. There are shadows under his fingers in that photo. That can’t happen if your fingers are actually touching something. If you doubt me, try it.

    Yes, it’s a stupid photo. And yes, it conjures up a lot of men’s bad attitudes about women. It looks like a poorly thought out satire on groping men to me, why would a groper grope body armor? It’s body armor, you can’t feel anything under it. But maybe creepy men would do it. And Franken did do skits skewering creepy men. I can’t help wanting to know the context of this pic, what the discussion was before the pic was taken, and what everyone in the room thought it was about at the time. And whether she was actually asleep with all that going on around her, or if she was also pretending. How did she get the photo?

    Franken’s support of women’s issues proves pretty securely that this photo does not accurately depict his ordinary impulses about women.

    • BartmanLA

      Exactly, the photo was to “emulate” him grabbing her by the breasts, which he obviously didn’t do, he might have kissed her like she said, and again not an excuse for EITHER acts, but at the time he was living his professional life as a comedian and actor, NOT as a elective politician. Of course it’s reprehensible in retrospect and is again not an excuse. But the hypocrisy of the Moore camp screaming and pointing fingers at Mr Franken and equating that his behavior is provable because of a single picture while there’s no photographic proof of Moore assaulting MULTIPLE women and girls is beyond the pale of “he said/she said” claim they are making about each woman who has come forward to recount Moore’s behavior over the past decades.

  • aagold76 .

    from the sounds of it- they were rehearsing a comedy bit and like most comics, he went over the top….if this turns out to be a regular thing, OK- Nail him, but this doesn’t seem like assault.

  • EastCoastJ

    Second Franken accuser has already come forward, so…..who knows ?

  • I love dim sum

    Serves him right, he was a massive supporter of Clinton. I think he was doing it as a smokescreen.

    I’m surprised that nobody has come out against Bill Maher yet, with how shrill he was about how ‘wonderful’ he claimed Hillary was. I’m sure he’s next.

  • Vista-Cruiser

    Republicans control both houses of the Minnesota legislature, and Trump came extremely close to winning the state last year. This could well be the incident that pushes Minnesota permanently into the red abyss, just like each of its neighbors.