Human Rights Watch Report: Chinese Government Hospitals Are Using Electroshock Ex-Gay Torture

The Washington Post reports:

Taiwan could soon become the first place in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage, while Hong Kong this month won its bid to host the Gay Games in 2022, another Asian first. But in mainland China, LGBT people are still being subjected to forced confinement, medication and even electric shock therapy to “convert” them into heterosexuals.

The “treatment” takes place in public, government-run hospitals and in private clinics, according to a report by Human Rights Watch released Wednesday.

The organization interviewed 17 people who were threatened, coerced and sometimes physically forced by their parents to submit to conversion therapy, as adults or as adolescents. Five were subjected to electric shocks while being shown images or videos — or given verbal descriptions — of homosexual acts. One described it as like “having needles stabbing my skin.”

From the Human Rights Watch report:

Human Rights Watch found that, in most cases, conversion therapy took place in public hospitals, which are government-run and monitored. In a few cases, conversion therapy was conducted in privately owned psychiatric or psychological clinics, licensed and supervised by the National Health and Family Planning Commission.

Governments are obligated to safeguard the fundamental human rights of individuals within their territory or jurisdiction. The abuses that occur in conversion therapy — including involuntary confinement; verbal harassment and intimidation; lack of informed consent in writing or orally; forced use of medicine; and forced psychiatric intervention — violate domestic and international standards, and the human rights of LGBT people.

These include the right to non-discrimination, the right to freedom from arbitrary deprivation of liberty, the right to privacy, the right to health, the right to freedom from non-consensual medical treatment, and, in the case of some minors, the rights of the child. Use of electroshocks have arguably amounted to acts of torture, or inhuman or degrading treatment.

More from ABC News:

China also has no laws protecting people from discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity, which deters victims of conversion therapy from seeking justice out of fear that their sexual orientation will be made public.

Under guidelines issued by the National Health Committee, the Government is required to investigate activities by hospitals that could violate the Mental Health Law, which prohibits forced confinement of people unless they pose a danger to others. But the Government has yet to issue clear guidelines prohibiting conversion therapy and holding abusers accountable.

The practice of conversion therapy persists because “many doctors are ignorant about homosexuality, and just follow the mainstream opinion, which is that being gay is abnormal, a sickness that must be treated,” said Wang Long, an LGBT activist from Zhejiang province.

  • FAEN

    What is it about our community that terrifies them so much that they insist on torturing us? I never get that. Specially in this day and age.

    • Gene Perry

      If you torture some, theory is, the rest will say in the closet.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Because the sex drive is so deep-seated, it takes considerable empathic ability to understand that someone else may be different from you. It’s much easier to be repelled and afraid.

    • Todd20036

      It’s their version of conservatism. If everything is black and white, male and female, good and bad, you don’t have to think about it. No grey areas, no points of discussion, no debates.

      Plus, in China, it’s all about having babies – especially male ones.

      • Snarkaholic

        Do they still perform “post-birth abortions” on the girl babies?

        • FAEN

          They still do in China and India.

          • Joseph Miceli

            It has been a couple of generations of aborted female babies. Aren’t their demographics getting skewed?

          • FAEN

            They are but it continues specially in the rural parts.

        • Todd20036

          Yeah, but mostly in the smaller villages where record keeping isn’t so state of the art.

    • another_steve

      It’s all rooted in misplaced species survival panic. They fear for our species’ extinction. Religious prohibitions against same-sex behavior are rooted in the same panic.

      In my opinion.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Like THAT is a problem in China.

      • /

        I think the fact that we’re past the 7 billion mark in population is more a threat to our continuation as a species than anything else.

        They should be thanking us gay people.

        • another_steve

          Of course. But back in our very very early ancient days, we needed to produce lots and lots of babies. Adults died very young. They had to fuck often and exclusively male/female. Same-sex behavior was seen as an existential threat.

          That’s where Leviticus and its kin came from.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Actually, non breeding but closely related members of the tribe were a bonus, ensuring the survival of family members close to their genotype but not competing for resources for their own children.

          • another_steve

            That’s one of the theories re the “biological rationale” of homosexuality, which if true applies today just as it did way back then: Non-breeders are available secondary caregivers for the children of breeders – unencumbered, as they are, by children of their own.

            Makes sense to me.

            I also like the theory that goes: Unencumbered by children of their own, non-breeders are freed up to create a society and culture conducive to breeding. A beautiful, comfortable, inspiring place.

            Ballet. Art. Theater.

            All manner of beauty. 😉

        • FAEN

          The Earth will course correct at some point in some form. More LGBT’s being born could be part of it.

          • /

            I’m confident in our abilities to kill ourselves off.
            The problem is that humans are simultaneously too smart and not smart enough.

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            Shroedinger’s Species.

          • another_steve

            ^^ That.

            There probably isn’t a higher percentage of same-sex attracted people today than, say, at the beginning of our presence on the planet. So why have our brains evolved to the point where more and more of us are coming out and living our lives openly?

            I believe it’s part of the evolutionary plan.

            Probably related to population control.

          • /

            I think it’s just that we got fed up of being fucked with and having to live in secrecy for our own safety and said, “ENOUGH!”

            See: Stonewall.

          • another_steve

            Could be. We’re all only guessing, after all.

            I just feel that our species’ evolving consciousness in this area is biologically driven.

          • /

            Do you really think that our species’ consciousness is evolving?

            I can’t believe that any society that would elect someone like Trump into power has evolving consciousness.

            Our consciousness is always shifting, but evolution implies an adaptation that makes us better suited to our environment. That’s not something I see.

          • another_steve

            Over the long long haul of evolutionary history, Trump and petty dictators like him will be viewed by observers as mere blips on the screen. Biological “mistakes,” if you will. From a species-thriving perspective, they’re not useful.

            The direction of things is toward beneficence. What is most useful is what ultimately prevails.

          • /

            I hope you’re right.
            I’ll optimistically think that it’s like a pendulum, but one that has a tendency to always move slightly further in the positive direction than it does swing back in the negative direction.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Fucking Catholic church!

          • David L. Caster

            Climate change is on the way to having that effect.

          • Joseph Miceli

            People are NOT rats, but in experiments with rats, more homosexual behavior has been observed the denser the population.

        • Joseph Miceli

          Yes, they should, especially if women are in short supply. Who do they think is taking care of the kids? At least that is how it was theorized to work in other cultures.

    • Tawreos

      Many Far Eastern cultures are rooted in family and many see it as disrespectful to their ancestors to not continue the family line “by choice”. It doesn’t help when you have a totalitarian government that wants to control everything, even the sex lives of its citizens.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Are they under the impression that that even works ?

    • FAEN

      Hey matey. Hope you’re having a good morning.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        I am ! – & Same same to you
        The sun is shining, my puppy is behaving and the house is empty.
        What more could I want ?

        • Snarkaholic

          Specific treats in the fridge?

        • Christopher

          “What more could I want ?”

          Beer.
          Vodka.
          Weed.

          Oh, and world peace. Can’t forget about that. 😉

          • /

            Impeachment and imprisonment of a certain BIGLY someone would be a nice start to the day…

        • Treant

          A man. Or several.

    • Gene Perry

      They don’t care if it works … the point is to zap gay people & cause as much pain as possible.

      • Snarkaholic

        …and then go home and whack off to gay porn.

      • /

        They used to give people malaria to treat syphilis and Julius Wagner-Jauregg won a Nobel Medical Prize for it in 1927 (although it actually kind of worked), and Nobel prizes were given in 1949 for the “discovery” of the lobotomy, so why the fuck not, right?

        Just throw everything weird you can think of at something you consider problematic and see if anything sticks.

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      Local officials can bill parents and victims for the service whether it works or not.

  • greenmanTN

    Given the gender imbalance (thanks to use of abortion to select for male children during the One Child years) they should be promoting homosexuality, not attempting conversion therapy.

    • boatboy_srq

      Problem is that there are too few young people entering the workforce to support an aging population. China’s problem is worse than the US’ because immigration is much more difficult and because the One Child policies were in place for so long.

      OTOH there’s a surprisingly young population in DPRK just waiting to be “liberated” and drafted as eldercare workers for Chinese retirees…

  • Natty Enquirer

    Goodness knows China needs more heterosexuals.

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  • Tawreos

    With their population concerns, homosexuals should be highly prized in China

    • Rebecca Gardner

      I was about to type the same thing.

    • AmeriCanadian

      You would truly think so. But the world we all live in is a world where up is down, down is up, and sick fucks like Moore and Drumpf get elected.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Parents demand grandchildren.

      • Tawreos

        they can demand all they want, it doesn’t change who people are.

      • Treant

        I told mine, “Straight or gay, you wouldn’t’ve gotten any.”

        It’s well-known that I loathed being a child, hated my peers as abusive fucks back then, and don’t care for them as an adult. It’s the rare child who I can even tolerate.

        • Ninja0980

          Don’t loathe kids but also made it clear to any man I dated (also why my husband broke up with his girlfriend before he met me) that kids weren’t happening, ever.
          That is one 24/7 job I can do for a week at most but not 365 days a year.

          • Treant

            I did it for a week when our nieces and their friends came up to go to the local amusement park.

            I was very proud of myself. I didn’t have to bury any bodies in the garden. This time.

          • Jeffg166

            That’s why it take a village to raise a child. Everyone is exhusted or psycho by the end of the day being around the power houses.

      • Todd20036

        So does Moore, for that matter.

      • Todd20036

        My father certainly did up to his point of death.
        Sorry. Not happening. For one thing, I like spending my money on myself.

    • Treant

      You’d think. “It’s a blessin’!”

      Honestly, it took my mom (born in 1943, so…) some time to adjust. But once she did? Shopping buddies!

      https://youtu.be/ooWIoSwEsZo

      • Richard, another Canuck

        Oh thanks for introducing me…too funny Treant!

        • Treant

          John! I bet he’s got a nice cock. :-p

      • jerry

        “I’m With The Woofter”…gotta love the British slang.

    • I know, right????

      Even though the communist state has worked for years to stamp out ancestor worship, it still is important to have a male son. As only male children can pray for family members.

      • /

        LOLWTF?
        Is whoever’s supposed to be listening to these prayers unable to hear soprano, mezzo-soprano, or contralto voice ranges?

        • Why women blindly and strongly follow any religion that seeks to make them into chattel or at the very least second class members of society totally baffles me.

          Ancestor worship is common in Asia, and yes, their deities seem to be tone deaf to anyone not having been born with a penis.

      • jonfromcalifornia

        That’s only one part of the male’s “advantage”. The other is that only males carry on the family name. To ensure the family line does not die out.

    • Friday

      Actually the population control can contribute to the problem: that culture really values male offspring, there’s therefore a whole lot at stake when it comes to having descendants: should one turn out to be gay, their parents would often consider it a real tragedy.

    • JCF

      Esp gay males, since—thanks to sex selection—there aren’t enough Chinese women to go around.

    • Davester

      Except that it’s a very conformity obsessed culture. Even the language and the arduous process to learn it enforces that conformity.

  • BeaverTales

    I’m feeling sick reading this. China is the second biggest economy in the world, with no official religion…and they are most likely exporting hate..

  • Bluto

    Barbaric savages.

    • Treant

      “No, I’m sure at least 45% are really good people and it’s unfair to condemn them on the actions of the majority.”

      Or whatever that argument I’m hearing now is.

  • Michael R

    Yeah but they could be thrown from rooftops by the Islamic State .

  • /

    I had an acquaintance back when I was a Master’s student who was from Singapore and had been forced into electroshock torture by his parents to try to turn him straight.

    He was, of course, just as gay as he had been all along and come to terms with it, but was so traumatized by the torture that if he got out of a car and experienced that shock that you sometimes get, he would burst into tears and immediately feel suicidal.

    • That poor man!

      • Todd20036

        Damn. But I don’t think very many people think orientation can be altered, merely used as punishment.

  • Friday’s_cat

    I take it these are minor children abused with their parents permission.

  • Treant

    I have a headache. Unfortunately, Putin’s ploy penetrated particularly perniciously and we’re entangled in our own internal issues. If there’s something I can do that will help, let me know. Otherwise, I’m afraid I have to concentrate energies on making sure that crap doesn’t happen here.

  • netxtown

    so their gay terrorism shows xtianity is not the only fucked up religion…
    lovely, just lovely….

  • Leo

    OT. Why this took so long is beyond me. https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/930788586663890944

    • Treant

      Happy Thanksgiving, toots. Go lie about that.

    • Todd20036

      I’d all but kill to be a fly on the wall during THAT family’s thanksgiving dinner.
      “So, how’s work going?”

    • William

      The fake doctor nazi has a job?

    • Tor

      They had to wait to see which way the hurricane was blowing first.

  • Tomcat

    I wonder if shocking would cause people to have humanity to others. Naw.

    • Todd20036

      It’s a fetish. Wait…

  • Tomcat

    Question, How do you say human rights in Chinese?
    Answer: You don’t!

  • worstcultever

    It is infuriating to see news accounts using the word “therapy” in any way whatsoever with regard to these atrocities.

    It’s as bad as bashing in the heads of puppies and parroting the bashers’ terming of it as “animal rescue.”

  • BearEyes

    How Clockwork Orange of them

  • Lars Littlefield

    Gee, nothing like a little ECT to start your day (!)

    • safari

      I’d rather red bull.

  • worstcultever

    Speaking of pooches, let’s have a kindness break, shall we?

    https://twitter.com/planetepics/status/930646655891902464

    • Treant

      That reminds me of our Riley. Apparently, dogs don’t like being hugged. Nobody told Riley. He’s only really happy when fully encircled.

  • Ninja0980

    Pure evil, simple as that.

    • MaryJOGrady

      The Chinese government is evil. It has been evil since Mao Tse-Tung was in charge.

  • ITS NOT THERAPY!

    THIS IS TORTURE!!!

    • Treant

      When you’re right, you’re allowed to yell.

      • worstcultever

        And I do appreciate Joe’s calling it what it is, 100% of the time.

  • AlternativeQuacks

    The biggest gay dating app in the world, Blued, which partly gets funding from a state-owned newspaper, is Chinese. In addition, a Chinese company now owns controlling interest in Grindr.

    That this ex-gay torture shit is still going on in China is some severe cognitive dissonance, at the very least.

    • -M-

      I think it’s the evil reverse of the Clinton Foundation taking Saudi money for charity.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Todd20036

      Boo fucking hoo. They were ok with Moore and his pedophilic fetish when the victims didn’t speak out about it.

      Hell, he was kicked off the state SCOTUS twice for breaking the law.

      And the GOP is supposed to be all about law and order.

  • Bambino

    Somewhere in Egypt police are probing a bunch of assholes to determine someone gayness. Maybe their order of Made in China electric shock devices have not arrive yet. Something about blessing the machine to make it Halal was the delay.

  • bozz

    Pay attention Americans…learn from the Chinese.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Are you happy, Pence, that your boss has just visited a country that shows its homophobia so openly and cruelly?

  • iambu

    Dear China’s Ass Backwards Notions About LGBTs And The Folks Who Espouse Said Notions,
    You won’t end up with straight people by doing this. You WILL end up with gay people who have PTSD. It will be messy, violent, and sad, and some of you will be burying your own children (and everyone will know why). Let’s go ahead and knock it the fuck off, mmk? Great.
    Sincerely,
    A Concerned Queermo From The Evil U.S.A.

  • Gianni

    This shouldn’t be any kind of a surprise coming from a country whose people believe that powdered rhino horn has some sort of magical healing powers or sexual enhancement abilities.

  • Davester

    This is just one reason the Gay Games going to Hong Kong was such a farce. Not that I really care much to be honest.

  • TJ Pierce

    And yet we keep rewarding them with all kinds of opportunities to showcase themselves as a swell place to live.