Gates, Bezos, Buffett: America’s Three Richest People Are As Wealthy As 50% Of US Households Combined

The Guardian reports

The three richest people in the US – Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett – own as much wealth as the bottom half of the US population, or 160 million people.

Analysis of the wealth of America’s richest people found that Gates, Bezos and Buffett were sitting on a combined $248.5bn (£190bn) fortune. The Institute for Policy Studies said the growing gap between rich and poor had created a “moral crisis”.

In a report, the Billionaire Bonanza, the thinktank said Donald Trump’s tax change proposals would “exacerbate existing wealth disparities” as 80% of tax benefits would end up going to the wealthiest 1% of households.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Michael R

      I’m sorry for what happened to her , and she sounds like a real moron .

      • lymis

        Proof that close association with Moore damages your brain.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Ummmm. Really?

        • Jeffrey

          I don’t know about that but it does show that he groomed her into thinking he was on the right side of things. That what he did was normal.

      • JCF

        Can we please set aside her voting history now, for the purposes of HONORING her very difficult decision to come forward and tell what Moore did to her as a child? I think we know who she voted for, only because she was asked, and it bolsters her credibility.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Thank you!

        • Miji

          I respect that she seems to be honest about what happened and that it must be difficult to come forward. However there is also the cynical side of me that has to wonder if Republicans would be listening to her or hell, if she would have come forward if Moore was cruising to an easy win. Is this only coming out because there is a split in the Republican Party and Moore is seen as a liability to many.

          • Ninja0980

            One could say the same thing about Weinstein, who despite his power, was NOT as strong as he once was in Hollywood.
            Sad to say but she may be coming out against him due to the fact Moore is seen as a problem.

        • DaddyRay

          I agree – if she had vote democratic then it would be spun that she was a liberal trying to take down Moore

        • Longpole

          Didn’t she come forward back in 1979 when she told her friends that she was dating an older man?

      • Cattleya1

        You cannot live someone else’ life. I have lived in AL – there is a racist, white male cultural ethic which is really hard to get past. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that more women come forth with abuse stories.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Why is she a moron?! She did tell people and her timeliness fits. She was very young at the time. Voting for Drumpf does question her intelligence to a point.

        • JCF

          She is minimally-educated, sexually-broken “Po’ White Trash”. Do I wish she voted her own interests, Democratic? Of course. Do I hope she may have her “consciousness raised”, and vote D in the future? Absolutely! But, coming from the background she’s had to date, there is ZERO expectation she could have transcended it, and voted “D”, to this point. Try having some empathy, people—and then set your education, cultural capital, and mental health 99% lower.

      • Al

        She is a damaged individual, as anyone growing up there is. I pity her, but something inside her told her to tell this story. That is empowering especially for a broken, uneducated (and I don’r care where she went to school) white southern woman.

  • Lazycrockett

    Thank god they are getting a much deserved tax break.

    • AlternativeQuacks

      A lot of them don’t even want it and think the GOP’s tax plans are a terrible idea for the economy. Warren Buffett especially has been pretty vocal about this.

      But the Mercers and Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers do want it, and they’re the ones who donate to the GOP.

      • Piet

        I know Buffett and Gates have announced they plan to give nearly all of it away by the time they die. Has Bezos? I can’t remember hearing about his plans.

  • another_steve

    “Wealth,” per se, is not an evil.

    The question is what you do with your wealth.

    • Adam King

      The evil isn’t “wealth,” it’s how it’s distributed. Which is evil.

      • another_steve

        I long for 100 percent equal opportunity for all Americans to accumulate wealth. No barriers. None whatsoever. Equal playing field.

        That as a given… game on.

        • Adonisus

          We can do better than that.

          • Boreal

            Another steve opposes the minimum wage.

          • another_steve

            I don’t see how.

            In an ideal society where race, cultural background, gender, sexual orientation, etc. are irrelevant to the matter, game’s on.

            We’re nowhere near that ideal society. But I say again – were we there – game on.

    • Goodboy

      Well, Benzo’s must be good because he was recently honored at a HRC dinner gala. Something about all of us being equal. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e91bad09c01022cff2af10ac269125deccf1b891fe8c5b3983f7b4bdd24fdf22.jpg

      • another_steve

        HRC has correctly honed in on the ability of the progressive wealthy to change society.

        I applaud them.

        • AlternativeQuacks

          I think what HRC did correctly was their Workplace Scorecard, where they looked into practices at companies and rewarded the companies (like Amazon, Google, Apple and many of the Silicon Valley firms) which were great places for LGBT people to work and shamed the companies (like Exxon-Mobil, Chik-Fil-A, etc.) which were bad places for LGBTs to work. A lot of companies that had mediocre scores when they first started the Scorecard were shamed and have since improved their policies for LGBT employees and now have much better ratings.

          What I don’t like about HRC is their well-known propensity for fawning over the rich & famous, and spending oodles on lavish cocktail parties and celebrity-studded awards ceremonies.

          • another_steve

            Hear ya on all counts. The “fawning over” is, regrettably, necessary.

            “No money,” you’re not a player – institutionally speaking.

      • Boreal

        Didn’t they endorse Mark Kirk for Senate too?

    • NZArtist

      Actually the older I get the more I realize that wealth *is* evil.
      It’s reflective of the system of institutionalized inequality that exploits the many for the benefit of the few.
      There is *no such thing* as trickle-down wealth. If there was, the rich wouldn’t continue to get richer. Instead it is all trickle-up, with the wealthy hording their wealth and preventing others from having it.
      Who do you think did all the work that made the wealth? It sure wasn’t the company CEOs.
      No, wealth is the epitome of evil.

      • Pizza009

        I will gladly take you wealth to help you become less evil.

        • Boreal

          If he had wealth do you think he would be posting here?

        • NZArtist

          Thanks, but I already live in a country which is somewhat more geared toward social welfare than the US. Unfortunately it is getting more stratified here as well.
          If you take my wealth does that mean you get to take my mortgage as well?

          • Pizza009

            I would be glad to buy your mortgage note at discount.

      • Goodboy

        Hopefully the paradise papers will help get at that horded money in all those Cayman, Virgin, etc Islands. Not to mention sending a few of Trumps cronies to prison.

      • j.martindale

        A modest wealth is fine. The system that permits the inequity of wealth that we see in America, though, is just wrong.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Agreed

  • Adonisus

    ‘Labor Theory of Value’. Look it up, people.

    • David L. Caster

      And your specific point would be?

  • Joe in PA

    Is Bezos doing anything philanthropic with his money?

    • GayOldLady

      They would all have to do a hell of a lot more than they do to diminish their assets.

      • DreadPikathulhu

        They’re so wealthy that they can’t spend enough to overcome the interest that they earn.

        • GayOldLady

          They could give it away starting right now. There are millions of people in this country who could use their assistance immediately.This sort of over the top accumulation of wealth has been admired and glorified for far too long.

          • David L. Caster

            And dynastic wealth is within reach of the Robber Barons. They just need to get the inheritance tax repealed which is something they are very close to getting done.

    • JohnJay

      I don’t know about the philanthropy, but like Elon Musk with SpaceX, Bezos is developing a big, reusable rocket with his company Blue Origin.

    • NZArtist

      Why should you rely on what someone who has exploited people thinks is worth contributing to?
      How do unpopular institutions/people get any funding if they have to rely on the whims of people who are willing to fuck over thousands of people for their own benefit?

      • Joe in PA

        So, not a fan? 🙂

        I wasn’t defending him at all…but the other two are pretty well known to be philanthropists. I was hoping (against hope apparently) that he would round out the top three. Because we KNOW all about the Waltons, Trumps, et. al.

    • TrueWords
    • TrueWords

      My father had a high school education yet he had a job that paid a decent salary.

      He had full time work, an 8 hour shift, paid sick time, vacation time, health insurance, dental insurance and a pension plan.

      Why is it asking too much for American workers to have the same today?

      Amazon is as worse as WalMart in treating its workers.

      There is something unseemly about one of the worlds richest man receiving accolades for “charity” while keeping a vast workforce in poverty or close to it.

      There’s your first order of business, Bezos. Give your workers a full time job, an 8 hour shift and decent benefits…and some dignity.

      • Joe in PA

        Yikes, I honestly didn’t know, my anecdotal evidence: two people I know are doing really well at Amazon, I assumed it was better. Thanks for your insight.

        • David L. Caster

          There are always winners in these big and successful corporations. There are often far more grunts working for them that just barely get by.

        • Lazycrockett

          I had a friend who worked for Amazon briefly and he walked more than 10 miles a shift.

    • TrueWords

      I love how the new Emperors, the “Tech moguls”, use philanthropy as a way to redeem themselves and display such dishonest generosity.

      You want to help?

      Why don’t you guys and your companies start paying taxes like everyone else?

      It pays for schools, infrastructures, policemen, firefighters, garbage collection, etc.

      I understand it does not look as good as a big fat check with your name on it, but it will do so much for society, you know, the one your customers live in.

      • Joe in PA

        Not just “Tech moguls”…see: Waltons Someone recently was defending them…saying “look at this fine symphony hall”. (I’m paraphrasing about the hall…could have been something else like that).

  • GayOldLady

    Wealth distribution has been a problem in this country for a long time. I don’t know how we fix it unless we pass laws to make more of their assets subject to taxation by removing all of the loopholes and penalize these folks for hiding their money offshore.

    • Natty Enquirer

      History suggests there is only one cure for a situation this extreme, and it ain’t pretty.

      • David L. Caster

        We could fix it without a single drop of blood being spilled. We just all have to pay attention and get engaged with the system.

      • William

        Reinstating the Eisenhower era tax code?

    • CraigNJ

      We did do something about it in the early 20th century when there were effective anti-trust laws and the estate tax was enacted. All to reign in the robber barons.

    • Buford

      Voting for the right kind of leaders would fix it.

  • Tatonka

    Jeff Bezos really does seem like a kooky weirdo, and I’m a little creeped out by the Amazon Echo I got for my birthday last month. The Washington Post is doing a brilliant job lately though.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Back in the early 1990s I pulled into a gas station in Bellvue. Wash. Suddenly two men in their 20s and a woman about the same age all dressed in camou ran out of the station and started shooting at an elderly couple trying to get out of a car with paint guns. They climbed into a van and took off. The older couple followed in pursuit, Both cars stalked each other driving around the station and sneaking down back alleys. It was Jeff Bezos, his wife and brother playing paint ball with the Bezos boyze’s parents. The clerk at the gas station explained, “Yeah, that’s Jeff Bezos and his dad. That’s how they break the monotony when they’re low on milk and gas.”

      I don’t begrudge clever people who make getting gas a milk a fast chase game.

      • whollyfool

        That’s a great story!

    • Bluto
  • peacfulseas inWA

    Disgusting.

  • safari
    • KarenAtFOH

      Slight correction: “…after a line sabotaged by Whitefish Energy failed as planned.”

    • BobSF_94117

      How much of the island had power before that line failed?

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        5 rich white people in carolina beach got power. Thats it

  • Boreal

    Sick that our country worships this kind of greed. Fuck em all, tax the living shit out of them.

  • Michael R

    JOBS !!! JOBS !!! JOBS !!!
    What ?
    Very few jobs , and most of them are shitty ?

  • Adam Stevens

    These 3 men could fix America but will instead buy many, many more shoes.

    • David L. Caster

      It’s not clear that they could fix Congress even if they wanted to. Congress is an open market. The only way to reliably and durably fix America is to get money out of politics. Corruption is legal in America.

      • Adam Stevens

        I’m talking grassroots, not politics. I.m talking about them helping actual PEOPLE.

        It is pretty clear that in order to repair America, we are going to have to circumvent our own government. Our government is not concerned with us at all, only power & their wallets.

        But 70% of Americans do not have 1 thousand dollars to their name.

        That should chill the spine of every wealthy American, but it doesn’t. They continue to hoard money they could never possibly spend in their lifetime. And because they hoard money, working citizens suffer. REALLY suffer.

        Eventually those without anything will be showing up at the mansions with pitchforks. Historically people will revert to that type of behavior after about a week to 10 days with no food. What chance do the wealthy think they have when this happens? When the majority of US citizens are hungry?

        Fix Congress? That’s such a laughable notion, and even the greatest geniuses of our time would be unlikely to do so.

        As citizens, I fear we’re on our own. We can only save ourselves, and when pushed, we will.

        • David L. Caster

          I don’t believe that you and I fundamentally disagree on the basic contours of your analysis. I do believe there is another way to see the role of the people that live here in this country

          The three very wealthy men mentioned in this post don’t each have some huge counting house with billions in currency stacked up someplace. Their wealth is in the shares they own of the corporations they either started or own big chunks of in some way. Shares, Adam. Stock. Their wealth is created by the value of those shares that many others own and the wealth these individuals enjoy is as a result of the value other investors have placed in those shares. So, they are not “liquid”, though these owners could convert some of their millions of shares to cash by selling them on the stock market. Until the securities these men hold are traded for cash, the value of their holdings is notional. Even money itself is a convenient fiction: it cannot be eaten, is not wisely used to burn for warming the body in the winter, and cannot be ridden to escape from danger.

          I mention these things because I want to make something clear about the great wealth these individuals have accumulated: they are beholden to the market for their wealth. The others that participate in these businesses, such as the board of directors and the shareholders had a say in just how wealthy these men have become because those shareholders want to secure a future for themselves and grow their own wealth. Their companies have succeeded because they produced or distributed something that people like us were willing to pay for, and they are well capitalized because shareholders perceived value in them.

          For the vast majority of the population, our system favors the accumulation of wealth as a hedge against a present or future of old-age destitution: many people hold shares of stock and bonds in the hopes they will be worth something downstream when they are no longer working or capable of working. So, in a sense, a lot of people, both American and not, are banking on these “wealth creators” to carry them through the ends of their lives. People also have jobs with these and many other corporations, and it is those jobs that produce an income to live on. Granted, it’s not always a far trade for the workers.

          The boards of publicly held companies also have a fiduciary duty to protect and enhance share value for stockholders. So we really can’t count on corporations to be charities. So what of these very wealthy men and what should they do to mitigate the wealth disparity that exists in the US?

          Well, they could lobby for more progressive tax brackets at the top and use their personal wealth to modulate public opinion in support of that idea. They could “buy” congress people with lobbyists and campaign contributions. Money goes a long way towards getting legislation passed in Washington DC, as we saw earlier in this sub-thread in the YouTube clip I posted.

          It really is, as you say, mostly up to us to make change if we want it. Our system is broken in the way the YouTube clip above describes: we really can’t seem to get what we want because we cannot afford the price of influence. These big guys could, but what do they lobby for? Universal healthcare, affordable higher education, a better and more effective safety net under the most disadvantaged, security in old-age? They could pay their workers better, maybe even push for a livable minimum wage. But is that enough?

          There is something more fundamentally wrong with society along with the system that has emerged in the US. Some of it boils down to greed and not caring about the people that live here and actually do much of the real work these businesses depend on to be successful. Everyone pays a certain amount of national rent in the form of taxes to create and protect the common good and Congress spends the money however it sees fit which is increasingly not in the best interest of the people that paid into the government till. The underfunding of the Social Security trust is a prime example.

          The big guys in this post are just three of a comparative few people that hold most of the wealth in the United States. Even if we took it all away from them and divided it evenly amongst every man, woman, and child in the country the resulting influx of cash to each families’ bottom line would carry almost none of them through a year.

          For most of us, and to paraphrase Shakespeare, the problem lies not with the rich but with ourselves that we struggle to get by. There is something fundamentally wrong with the way we have self-governed ourselves. We have allowed our voices to be muted or drowned out by those that can afford to buy influence over public policymaking. That has to change and violence will not hasten the arrival of the day when it does. Returning the allegiance of our representatives to the people as a whole must be the focus of any attempt to shift the paradigm. The statement of that goal needs to be codified into the parlance and rhetoric of all messaging to thinking and responsible voters and everybody needs to participate in the process of governing by voting.

      • BobSF_94117

        I am constantly amazed at people who blame “congress”. It’s as though they don’t remember which party loosened the regulations, which party kicked open the doors to corruption.

        • David L. Caster

          See my lengthy response to Adam on this subthread and share your ideas for solutions.

  • JT

    Gates, Bezos, Buffett: America’s Three Richest People Are As Wealthy As 50% Of US Households Combined

    And all of them are for higher taxes on the rich.

    • j.martindale

      Then they should support the political careers of the people who will make that change, like the evil Koch brothers work to cut the taxes on the rich. They need to put their money where it will count.

      • David L. Caster

        They certainly could afford the advertising campaigns to make political change. They don’t because they do not want to expose their businesses to the almost certain political blowback.

  • hdtex
    • JT

      Drumpf is first in line. Traitor, scumbag, shithead!

      • Adam King

        Wouldn’t it be better to save him for the grand finale?

        • JT

          No. First in line with fanfare!

          • Boreal

            His head can be on a gilded pike while the rest get their comeuppance.

          • Joe in PA

            Hey B…fire in the wood stove tonight. Something about a wood fire.

            And yes, the wood stove is modern and high efficiency. 🙂

          • Boreal

            Had a couple of fires this week. Too exhausted to tend to it tonight but our nighttime temps are in the teens and 20s all week so definitely this weekend.

          • clay

            It’s only right that they follow him.

  • Glenn E Ross

    Welcome to the new serfdom where democracy is a minor inconvenience to our wealthy masters. The future is shaped by the whims of a few with enough resources. Government is being destroyed by those elected to run it, removing our collective efforts and allowing a void filled by the new aristocracy, When did the pursuit of unlimited wealth at the expense of society become a positive goal?

  • j.martindale

    And yet most of the country has a minimum wage of less than seven or eight dollars an hour. No justice. No equity. There is no reason for anyone to have this much wealth.

    • KarenAtFOH

      And the Trump voters keep electing leaders to foster this inequality. SMDH

    • GayOldLady

      I agree and wonder how you sleep at night knowing what you could be doing to fix inequity and to help our society, but aren’t doing for whatever reason. They see the world around them, but apparently they’ve become cold to it’s problems.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        I don’t believe that Gates nor Buffett fall into that category perfectly, they both have given billions of dollars to charity that has helped many millions of people around the world.
        Bezos however, is still figuring out how he might donate to whom….he’s seeking ideas.

        • Chris Baker

          Most of their wealth is tied up in their investments. It’s not like they have $12 billion dollars sitting in a bank somewhere. It’s all in stocks and investments. If they suddenly sold $1bn in Microsoft stock, that would cause a huge problem in the market.
          However, I agree that is obscene for anyone to have that much money without donating generously to charities. And these people had a lot of luck. Gates invented the software that all PCs ran on, Bezos came up with an online bookstore that did well. How many other competitors tried similar things and failed? (Facebook v. Myspace, Google v. AltaVista, Apple v. Commodore, etc. )

      • Longpole

        That is because they are making plans to abandon the USA before the “Mad Max” years begin. They will take their wealth with them to places like Costa Rica and Belize to start their own communities.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Nice pole.

        • Bunter

          That is an actual fact. Peter Thiel didn’t buy that land in New Zealand without a reason.

          But they hope and wait for the Mad Max years, because that means we’re back to medieval times, where people can be feudal lords with their own little armies and so on.

          2 years ago I would have laughed in your face that this could be an actual future. By now I’m not so sure.

    • clay

      most?

      • j.martindale

        Yes. There are places that have a $12 minimum wage. Principally cities.

    • Steverino

      Welcome to American Russia, the Oligarch’s Paradise.

  • djcoastermark

    Excuse me, I am sitting here in my fruit of the looms, just fired up my pc to order dinner from Whole Foods. I will comment later.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Pics or it didn’t happen!

    • djcoastermark

      Okay, its later, yeah it is pretty depressing that most of what we do, wear, eat, view etc etc etc is controlled by just a few people anymore.

  • gaycuckhubby

    OT…
    Who didn’t see this coming?
    I purposely didn’t comment on this post when it happened because I no longer trust hate crime claims until they are investigated.

    https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/928760916719661056

  • Cuberly Deux

    OT: Today appears to be MooreDay.

    “Judge Roy Moore in 2015 After Voting in Favor of Child Rapist: ‘No Evidence’ of ‘Serious Physical Injury’

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/judge-roy-moore-in-2015-after-voting-in-favor-of-child-rapist-no-evidence-of-serious-physical-injury/

    • djcoastermark

      The rest of the country is retching in disgust. Alabama residents are now fired up and chomping at the bit to get out and vote for him. ( I know, not all, but they are outnumbered.)

    • BobSF_94117

      Please, tread lightly. we’re bordering on discussing policy in a political race and that’s just, well, that’s just wrong…

  • Natty Enquirer

    An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.
    – Plutarch (46-120)

  • AdamTh

    … and don’t forget the Walton family (WalMart)… Last I read their combined net was approx $145B.

  • Kevin Perez

    Hey, Louis C.K., Call me!!

  • MikeBx2

    The entire list is interesting. Some good guys. Some not so good guys.
    https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/928678832630124544

    • Boreal

      None of them need that much money. Totally obscene while some of their fellow countrymen are starving and homeless.

      • gaycuckhubby

        How on Earth do you dictate this?
        What about athletes, musicians, filmmakers, actors? Limit their incomes and shares of profits?

        • Boreal

          Are you ok with this? Please let me know. The block button is close at hand.
          Edit: I dictate this by taxing the fuck out of greedy fuckers.

        • j.martindale

          That is what a progressive tax code does. The money taken from the biggest earners needs to be distributed to public works projects, social programs, environmental programs and the like for the common good. It doesn’t preclude considerable wealth. But if we returned to the days of Reagan, it would buoy the lower half of the country and benefit the “common weal.”

    • another_steve

      “Wealth,” per se, is unconnected to “good/bad.”

      Hyper-PCists will disagree with that.

      • The_Wretched

        Normal non right wing economists agree, massive concentrations or wealth are destabilising And bad for your economy.

        • another_steve

          On this subject – on its most theoretical level – I consider myself a progressive libertarian. I want a 100 percent equal playing field. We’re far far away from that, but that’s what I want.

          No social barriers. No barriers based on race, ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, education level, etc.

          That playing field theoretically achieved, game on.

          The Way of Nature.

          The most adept prosper best.

  • Jeffrey

    Paging Robespierre…

  • lymis

    There is absolutely no historical basis for the idea that wealth disparity causes any problems. Just ask Marie Antoinette and Tsar Nicholas.

  • blackstar
    • another_steve

      Lol.

      MAGA

    • JCF

      IOKIYAR.

  • Boreal
  • I love dim sum

    All 3 of these guys are big DNC donors too.

    • JAKvirginia

      When they start writing billion $$ checks, which they can easily afford, THEN i’ll be impressed.

  • MikeBx2
    • Silver Badger

      Would have done? He did and is doing the same.

      • JCF

        Re China, re Moore!

    • David L. Caster

      In other words, Trump believes in taking advantage of people.

      No shit.

    • MikeBx2

      That’s right, the “Leader of the Free World” says he believes it’s ok to take advantage of others. It’s their fault.

    • Michael R

      Is this some kind of a plan , with some details that people can check ?
      No one ever presses him for details , or holds him responsible for his actions , or even doing what he said he would do .

    • clay

      Cheating on his taxes makes him smart. /s

      • another_steve

        If Mueller truly has his tax returns, game over.

    • Donald never passes up a chance to boast he’d behave unethically and dishonestly if pesky laws didn’t stop him.

      He has no moral center whatsoever.

    • Karl Dubhe

      He’s bragging about being a crook.

      Heck of a long ways from the days of Nixon…

  • shivadog

    Yea, that’s a sign of a healthy society.

    • clay

      In landlocked central Africa. Even Colombia isn’t that out of whack.

  • Buford

    On the bright side, they aren’t radical righties like the Kochs and Mercers.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Cuberly Deux

      Reagan Battalion linking to a Daniel Day thread….I’ll allow myself a snicker.

    • Michael R

      It’s funny because they’re all gross .

      • It’s also tragic because I can guarantee there will be at least one woman or girl in your life, someone you know personally, who will have experienced almost exactly that.

        • Bomer

          It is tragic. Without even trying I can name two right now.

      • clay

        It’s only funny because it’s true.
        They are truly gross.

    • JCF

      ALL.THE.POINTS.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Yes: Jones is running as a centrist w/some conservative-ish positions because that’s the only way a Dem can get elected to any office in Alabama.

      But he’s a good guy. He really is.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I’d vote for him in a heartbeat if I was in AL. I’m just surprised I hadn’t heard about this part of his bio. I’m impressed

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          Unfortunately there are enough Alabamians that do not consider this good work who are still alive to vote.

        • FAEN

          I’ll smack you silly if you even thought about moving to Alabama. Capice?

          • gaycuckhubby

            You and my husband both!

          • FAEN

            Give that man a hug from me lol.

          • gaycuckhubby

            🙂

    • Lazycrockett

      It wouldn’t be a contest if this race was happening in 46 other states.

      • Miji

        So you’re saying that 3 other states are as bad or worse than Alabama and would still pick Moore? My guess would be Mississippi, Texas, and I’m not sure where else. I feel like there is an 8 or 9 way tie for 2nd. I think few would pick Moore in the first place, but many might still vote for him or any generic Republican over a Democrat.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          Louisiana? Utah? Idaho?

    • JCF

      Jones: Defender of young girls.
      Moore: Molester of young girls.

      There you have it, Alabama.

    • Halou

      Prosecuting klansmen. Some of them, I’m sure, were fine people..

    • Karl Dubhe

      In normal times, he’d win hands down.

      I’m not sure about these interesting times. But I hope he wins by double digit margins.

    • William

      The bombers should have been torn apart by rabid dogs.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Roy Moore is on a Twitter rampage. This thread is UGLY! But no way he will do what the GOP wants… drop out.

    https://twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/928770918758928384

    • Lazycrockett

      The GOP doesn’t want him to drop out, they are just saying it to the press with a “if and or but”.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I think 90% of congressional GOP want him to drop out. They would rather lose a Sen seat than have Moore be the face of their party

        • Lazycrockett

          um you do know who the leader of the GOP is, right?

          • gaycuckhubby

            Yep. Big difference between pussygate and a 14 yr old victim.
            Imho

          • Lazycrockett

            Just like Hollywood, everyone knew what Roy was doing, the issue is that in the south its just good ol boy behaviour.

          • Lazycrockett

            The people of Alabama has elected this guy numerous times after being thrown out of office.

          • clay

            Have you heard the about the suit that got dropped as soon as Turmp got elected?

          • gaycuckhubby

            Yep. That case had LOTS of holes in it though. Theres a reason major newspapers didnt run it.

    • I can’t decide which is more annoying/creepy: The fact he still calls himself ‘Judge’ despite being removed for cause twice from judgeships. Or the fact his profile photo is clearly from at least 20-30 years ago.

      I’m gonna go with the photo for now, because he’s still probably macking on young teen girls and he likely thinks it makes him more attractive.

    • Michael R
      • gaycuckhubby

        It’s really horrendous

      • The_Wretched

        He’s a Christianist. Laws are for other people.

    • another_steve

      Ohmigod… PLEEZE PLEEZE PLEEZE let him be elected to the Senate.

      Democrats… please remain silent.

      This is a dream come true for us.

      • Karl Dubhe

        No. He needs to be defeated.

        We can’t take that much joy in the misfortune of others. Or shouldn’t.

        • another_steve

          The greater good, Karl. The greater good.

          Democrats successfully paint him as the face of the Republican Party – the party of hate – that party is finished.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Trump is the face of the Republicans. If that’s not enough, nothing is.

          • another_steve

            Agree. Look at what his presence achieved this past Tuesday, in the elections.

            For that reason I join the Democrats who say, “No talk of impeachment. Let Trump stay and do just as he is. Right up to Election Day 2018.”

          • Karl Dubhe

            Do make sure to take away the ability to launch a first nuclear strike. 🙂

            That’s a declaration of war, and that’s a power that congress should have; not the president, and certainly not this president.

    • BobSF_94117

      Pandering to the religious battle with evil in the second sentence? Ruh-roh, he’s guilty…

  • andrew

    There is nothing wrong with creative, talented or hard working people making an exceptionally good living. However, when three people, as good as these three people may be, have as much wealth as 160,000,000 people, you have one woefully under regulated capitalist economic system.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Well put.

    • canoebum

      The other factor which makes our current wealth distribution so egregious, is the fact that without the expenditures of PUBLIC MONIES on infrastructure, education of a work force, the maintenance of a system of laws and courts, roads, bridges, ports, airports, markets, basic research, government regulations, law enforcement, national defense and general stability, these individuals could never have amassed such wealth. It is only by using the resources provided by the public, the common weal (a term used too little today), that they could succeed as they have. Then they have the gall to bitch their taxes are too high.

      • SoCalGal20

        I don’t know that Buffet or Gates have complained their taxes are too high. Of course I’m sure they do try to minimize what they pay.

      • Scott Carpenter

        Hey, you try scraping by with less than $100 billion to your name. Do you have any idea what they’re charging for a private jet these days? How is a poor guy supposed to hold his head up showing up in last year’s Lear? It’d be a scandal.

  • Boreal
    • The_Wretched

      I hear tell that we can’t talk about the minimum wage or ask candidates about raising it.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Now is not the time to talk about raising the minimum wage.
        These billionaires are under a lot of stress!

  • Michael R
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      The poor little kitty!

    • gaycuckhubby

      My cats would kill me!

    • clay

      “So I’m a cat, in a bathtub, and I’m typing, and I’m typing, and I’m typing, but it’s not going anywhere, So, tell me, Doc, what do you think it means?”

    • William

      We had a Burmese cat that loved getting into bathwater.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Probably mentioned here before but… Mueller interviewed Stephen Miller

  • bkmn

    All hail the mighty “JOB CREATORS” who will create jobs only if it serves to make them richer.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Boreal

      Wow.

    • -M-

      Actually Sean, several ‘dates’ with the 14 year old, behind her mother’s back. But go ahead and spin that.

    • greenmanTN

      The words of a man who has no idea what consent means and might have some issues of his own In that regard.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      The GOP has become completely unhinged and veers about with absolutely no moral compass. Now they are trying to normalize sexual assault against a child!
      Shameful!

      • OdieDenCO

        why not they have normalized the murder of children in mass numbers. what’s a little sexual assault? the kids are left alive, right?
        /s in the most serious way

    • The depravity of these monsters knows no limit.

    • SoCalGal20

      This just makes me wonder how many girls Hannity has molested.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • The_Wretched

      Evan is working hard to try and make republicans look sane again. However, he’s not even an office holder at this point and counts as their ‘fringe’.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I agree. I wish he had more pull

  • Lazycrockett

    Ugh The Evil is gonna be on All In tonight.

      • blackstar

        so over him.

      • houstonray

        I tweeted my reply to MSNBC as well. Man the comments are overwhelmingly NO WAY.

      • danolgb

        I have a friend I have been going back and forth with where he keeps saying the Dems need to reform because the primary was undemocratic. I keep asking him what specifically they did that hurt Bernie. He keeps replying with platitudes.

      • SoCalGal20

        Chris has him on at least once a week to talk about what the Democrats should be doing and what they’re doing wrong. SO tiresome. Thanks for your “advice”, Gramps. Now go away and stop bothering me.

  • JCF

    But not George Soros? I call Fake News! /s

  • j.martindale

    If you look at the homes of very wealthy Americans in the ’50s–people like Lucille Ball–they lived modestly by today’s standards. They didn’t appear to complain about it. She had what might be a 5 million dollar home today. There was nothing wrong with that kind of wealth that reflected their success. But look at the gawdy crap of tRump’s penthouse! It is a vulgar offense to people struggling for a living in America.

  • Moonbeam_Song

    It is indeed the New Gilded Age.

    • canoebum

      Don’t you mean Gelded Age? Economically, most of us have been effectively neutered.

      • Snarkaholic

        Eventually no one will be able to afford their overpriced crap.
        If you want to keep making obscene amounts of money, you have to let some of your money circulate, so it will return to you, plus profits.

  • Halou

    John D. Rockefeller was rich enough to, almost by himself, be the 1%. By the time of the First World War having amassed a fortune of almost $1 billion ($336+ billion in today’s money), the US economy at the time was worth barely half a trillion dollars.

    One thing to know about Rockefeller’s time was that it was one of extreme, and I mean extreme poverty and mass unemployment. A breeding ground for radicals on both the far right and far left, like today but infinitely worse.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Halou

      Clinton’s collusion with Russia to lose the election is just so complicated. /s

  • gaycuckhubby

    Wait… I agree with Trump on something?
    Although I think it should be extended to other religions too.
    https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/928776128822763522

    • blackstar

      all of them.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Of course he does – because this is exactly what happened in Russia.
      What Putin does, Donnie wants to do to.
      Shitgibbon see, Shitgibbon do.

    • Halou

      And when will Cult 45 lose it’s tax exempt status?

    • Cuberly Deux

      Falwell taking care of the competition.

    • BobSF_94117

      Grifter envy is an ugly thing.

    • SoCalGal20

      WOW doing something I actually approve of! I wonder who got him about that lol.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        He wishes he had come up with the idea first and wants to quash a competitor.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      LOL. I would love if the Scientologists went after Trump and family the way they do others!

      • Paula

        Maybe Leah Remini will have a show about it.
        A new reality show? When Scientolgists Attack!

  • blackstar
    • matrem

      Know who else defends religous-backed pedophilia? Isis.

  • Lazycrockett

    FYI
    If you are up late tonight or got room in the DVR TCM is showing the classic Auntie Mame!!!

  • JCF

    OT: Barf, Steve Scalise hugging and kissing Capitol Police Officer Crystal Griner (who helped save his life), at awards ceremony today. “Aw, I only want to deny you your homo ‘marriage’—I still love you!” /s

    Crystal, you’re a much bigger person (in every way) than I am…

    http://static.pblogs.gr/f/340339-hypocrisy-meter.gif

    • Cuberly Deux

      How did she keep her lunch down.

      • OdieDenCO

        she’s a professional!

    • Ninja0980

      I would kicked him in the nuts.

    • Snarkaholic

      Maybe he meant it to be First Base in “corrective” rape.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Halou

      A political clown called Vladimir Zhirinovsky, chief of the misnamed “Liberal Democratic” party of Russia, once urged the Kremlin to order the construction of giant fans to blow radioactive waste over the Baltic states.

      • Friday

        He’s not very good at science, is he? 🙂

  • Jeffrey

    The top 84 richest people have the combined wealth of the lowest 3.5 billion people. 84 people have the wealth of more than half the world. And they want more. And then more. And still more. Pernicious greed.

    • SoCalGal20

      At least Gates snd Buffett have philanthropic endeavors that contribute to society (not sure what Bezos does but yay for keeping WaPo running I guess).

    • Jeffrey

      Nothing wrong with being rich. I am a banker, after all. But that’s why I know what happens when you give these people more money. They don’t spend more. They hoard or use ot do gain more power and more money.

      • -M-

        The problem isn’t them being rich or even really really really rich in itself, if they could do it without anyone having to be in poverty and without the concentration of power and resulting distortion of politics and the economy.

    • OdieDenCO

      I’m thinking donny’s going to break out into a rousing rendition of Welcome to the Family

  • Michael R

    I’ll take ” PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLETELY UNFIT FOR OFFICE ” for 500 Alex

    https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/928766875873501184

    • Friday

      Cause his Bible allows it, and he thinks that outweighs the laws he was sworn to actually uphold.

    • William

      So it’s okay if the underage girls are dirty sluts?

  • Cuberly Deux

    Something’s up. Fox has been straight forward reporting on this w/ Lumpy being the only talking head defending Moore.

    “Jesse Watters on Roy Moore: ‘I Don’t See How He Can Represent Alabama in the U.S. Senate’”

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/jesse-watters-on-roy-moore-i-dont-see-how-he-can-represent-alabama-in-the-u-s-senate/

    • For the 1st 24 hours after Access Hollywood, even Fox News peeps were saying Trump had no path to victory, maybe he should step down.

      Then Russia’s bots swarmed, the Podesta emails were released via Wikileaks, and all of a sudden they were ALL back on the Trump train.

      • Cuberly Deux

        …and tomorrow is news dump Friday.

        Someone, forgot who, on MSNBC earlier said something else was going to drop in 24-48 hrs.

  • blackstar
  • Michael R
  • Cuberly Deux
    • greenmanTN

      It’s a good thing I didn’t have anything in my mouth because the idea of Trump saying that is enough to make me snort it out my nose.

    • SoCalGal20

      Yeah, sure Jan. Mr. Pussygrabber turning down several hot women? I don’t believe for a second (not to mention there’s evidence to the contrary).

      • Cuberly Deux

        ….the stories he could tell on the golf course…yeah, there’s no way he let that opportunity slip by. It’s attention exhibitionism for him for his buddies.

  • Lazycrockett
    • BobSF_94117

      Only Democrats and liberals are guilty by rumor and public opinion.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      LOCK HER UP!!!

      –Every FoxNewsCünt, out of the other side of his filthy mouth

    • Ninja0980

      Hilary Clinton and Obama say hi assholes.

    • -M-

      There’s a difference between locking someone up without a full trial and saying that based on what you know and believe about their character they shouldn’t be running for public office.

  • JCF

    Oh fuck you, Chris Matthews: Dana Milbank is NOT “doing the tribal thing you accuse the other side of”. There is ample evidence confirming the dossier—it’s NOT down to just what one Drumpf flunkie says about it. If you’d done your job, you’d know about this: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/928725982088974338

    • Cuberly Deux

      Was his thug bodyguard under oath?

      • JCF

        Testifying to Congress? You betcha!

        • Cuberly Deux

          He he he…..

    • Cuberly Deux

      I swear Matthews has a special room in his house where every surface is covered with pictures of the Kennedy clan. I swear he brings up the Kennedy’s every damn day. He’s always been like that and it’s annoying as hell. Disturbing obsession.

      • JCF

        Eh, he’s an Irish-American (“of a Certain Age”). THAT, I’ll allow. Not his “both side-ism” (funny, he GETS it, when it’s Nazis. But not here).

        • Cuberly Deux

          Ugh, and he always brings up his Irish-American thing too…lol….

      • clay

        which is at least one step above a room full of Cardinal Dolan and various dead popes.

    • greenmanTN

      I gave up on Matthews a long time ago. He’s always the least informed person in the room but the one who won’t STFU long enough to let anyone else talk.

    • CharlestonDave

      I follow Seth but trying to keep up with his tweetstorms is more than I can handle. He had one the other day that might have been 200 tweets long. Write a damn essay, Seth!

  • MBear

    Is hoarding a mental condition?

    • It is. I have a relative who’s definitely one. She *knows* she needs to get rid of the shit cramming her house full. But every time she tries, she just can’t. She’ll pick up a pile of stuff, then begin sorting, then becomes anxious and just stops.

      The attachments are psychologically unbreakable. And if someone tries to intervene and help, the anxiousness quickly escalates to anger and finally, “Please leave! Get out.”

      All I can figure is their possessions become extensions of their own self, their ego, and discarding anything at all is perceived as a personal diminishment, not unlike the way we’d feel upon experiencing a physical amputation.

    • leastyebejudged

      It seems to me that consumerism is a natural creator of hoarding behaviours.

      Ever seem vids of all the people into coupons and shit ? Those people buy a shit ton of coupon products that they do not need (and arguably most of those products are pure shit), and stockpile them in their garages, spare bedrooms, etcetera. But none of that is considered a mental illness. Because commerce.

      you don’t get the kind of hoarding you see in the USA when you don’t have WalMart and Amazon. Just sayin’.

    • clay

      Only if they’re not guns.

      /s

  • Cuberly Deux

    Yay, Josh Marshall!

    • Yes, I like him very much. Will watch up until Bernie comes on, then that’s it.

      • Cuberly Deux

        HA! Yeah, I think I’ll watch through Bernie. It’d be interesting to see what he says about VA. But have a feeling it’ll all be about the progressive dems that won vs the dem efforts on everyones behalf to get them in office.

        • Ninja0980

          That is what it’s going to be.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Yeah, I’m girding myself to not be surprised.

        • His remarks yesterday on CNN was that people were angry with the Dems.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Ugh!

  • SoCalGal20

    What a day! With the news of Roy Moore molesting girls I think Luther Strange should launch a write-in campaign, as has been suggested by others, and therefore split the GOP vote, giving us Senator Doug Jones. 🙂

    I wonder if any of the Senators and Congressmen who attended the Roy Moore fundraiser in DC last week are questioning their life choices now (probably not).

    • Lazycrockett

      Strange cant due to Alabama’s sore loser law.

      • SoCalGal20

        Luther Strange supporters should launch a write-in campaign!

  • JCF

    ZOMG, Hannity’s defending Moore, saying “it was consensual”. WITH A 14 YEAR OLD!!!!

    • Cuberly Deux

      Notice how the other co-host cut him off to mention that, right when he started talking about the 14yo?

    • JohnJay

      “Age of consent in Alabama. An individual who is 19 years old or older has sexual contact with someone who is younger than 16 but older than 12 has committed sexual abuse.”

    • MikeBx2

      Hannity has a daughter. Child Protective Services should make a home visit to check on her safety.

    • leastyebejudged

      Thanks for sharing this, I’ll hold this one over my sisters head for sure.

    • kelven

      He is involved somehow. Not with Moore, but with Russiagate. He has been just way too defensive and protective of all things Drumpf but you can see this sort of desperate on the verge of tears craziness in his eyes and hear it in his voice. The righteous indignation as a last grasp at legitimacy before the full horror of their sins are revealed.

    • William

      If Moore had gone on a child sex tour of Asia, he could be prosecuted by the US government for sexual contact with a 14 year old.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Lazycrockett
  • JCF

    Chris Hayes, agog: “There’s…there’s…NOTHING Moore could do!” [to disqualify himself to the Rethugs]

    Um, “I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue”? Ring a bell?

    • another_steve

      If Trump is/was acceptable to the Republican establishment, so too will Moore be.

    • “Grab ’em by the pussy. And they let you.”

      We’ve been here already.

  • Karl Dubhe

    O/T OMG The Naked 5 who were in a ‘targeted collision’ a while ago have now been accused of kidnapping and resisting arrest.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/09/canadas-naked-car-crash-three-face-kidnapping-charges

    I really wish I saw that happening. 🙂

    • Hue-Man

      Dinner-time TV news in Calgary reported that everyone involved is Jehovah’s Witnesses. The story gets weirder and weirder.

      • Karl Dubhe

        Hahahahhahahahahahha. That happened just a few klicks from here. I’ve not followed the local news on the issue…. Actually, maybe I should see what they’re saying. Their rellies are claiming they had mushroom tea, before their ride. 🙂 Unknowingly, of course.

        CBC doesn’t mention JWs, but do claim that someone brought them the tea from India.

  • leastyebejudged

    Keep sucking that corporate cock.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Cuberly Deux

      Heard for years he was gay. Noticed on his wiki page no spouse is listed.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Wait! What?
        He was gay?
        Fuck, next you’ll tell me water is wet.

        • Cuberly Deux

          Ha
          Ha…

          Well, it was news to me. Even then it’s not like it’s confirmed or anything.

    • coram nobis

      Hillerman in “Blazing Saddles” with a good line about Henry V.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVGFGmoltDs

  • Kind of off-topic:
    https://twitter.com/jeremyslevin/status/928790581953859584

    Basically anybody with a typical student loan who can now deduct the interest, under the current GOP plan will see roughly a $1k/year tax increase on that provision alone.

    • clay

      punishment for trying to rise above your position of entry-level.

    • Talisman

      Holy shit.

      My biggest regret is taking out my student loans to pay for my Master’s degree. I’ve been paying on them for 20 years. For the first 10, it seemed like nothing I did made a dent in the principal. My balance literally did not change over those 10 years – and I came to resent the payments and the debt. The loan is the single thing that prevents me from trying to purchase a home.

      Under Obama’s DoE, student loan servicing was turned over to private banks. While many people have had a negative experience, mine has been mostly positive. In the last 7-10 years, I have made a noticeable dent in the principle, on the order of $13K. It has only been this year that I feel like there’s hope that I might actually pay it off in my lifetime.

  • Gerald Parks

    WOW!
    THREE men own as much wealth as 160 MILLION Americans …COMBINED!
    AND the current GOP/Republicans tax plan is to give them and their peers MORE?
    Reform …tax cuts … BULL SHIT!

    • MBear

      Makes you believe strongly in the innate evil of humanity, no?

      • Silver Badger

        No. The innate evil of Republicans, maybe.

        • Opinion Sousaphones

          Well, not “innate,” which means they were born that way. No, they chose it… years and years and years of choosing to hurt others whenever they had the chance. They had a conversion experience at some point in their lives, and there is nothing like a convert when it comes to fanaticism.

          • Silver Badger

            You are right. They chose to be evil.

          • Opinion Sousaphones

            … and one hopes that they might start, some day, to choose something else, but I expect none of us are holding our breath.

      • Gerald Parks

        NO!
        The greed of a few doesn’t make all of humanity evil!
        It is clear that a few can and have convinced some that the wealth will “trickle down”.
        WE the PEOPLE must retake our democracy and it government…and socially engineer a society that mets our ideals as stated in our founding documents.
        That takes participation and the teaching that this government is our government…not some enity seperate and apart from us. Ie WE THE PEOPLE!
        Public service is to be honored not demonized. Honesty and integrity are to be valued, promoted, honored and taught.
        What today’s GOP/Republicans are doing to our Nation and its democracy is a disgrace! And does NOT reflect the values of the vast majority of Americans!
        The polls don’t lie!
        The vast majority of Americans want a government that works for the people, by the people, OF the people!
        What we have today is not that
        Example: the Republican tax cut bill.
        Jeez …don’t get me started!

        • Talisman

          Wealth does not equal greed. The three referenced here have built their companies from the ground up, and seem to be committed to giving back. Especially Gates.

          • Gerald Parks

            You are absolutely correct!
            Wealth does not equal greed.
            I am referring to the current GOP/Republican’s current tax cut scam that is yet another massive wealth transfer to the wealthest members of the Nation and the corporations/businesses they own. W Bush’s tax cut scam was the largest in US history and nearly caused the collaspe of our economy.
            How soon we forget!
            GOP/Republican governance and tax policies are hazardous to our Nation’s health!

  • Cuberly Deux
  • Tor

    I, for one, am delighted to take an income decrease and a tax increase, so that my wealth-superiors may keep more of their hard-earned dollars, which they will not even notice on a personal level.

  • Al

    Obscene.

  • Sam_Handwich

    what will tomorrow bring….

    more indictments?
    roy moore dick pics?

    • More Roy Moore victims coming forward. You can bank on it.

      • clay

        Women girls who came before him in court.
        (please, guys, do not turn that into a pun.)

    • DaddyRay

      I don’t think they had cameras back then that had enough pixels to capture Roy Moore’s penis

      • another_steve

        He emailed blurry pics of his dick to his victims with the message, “Jesus commands you to obey.”

        • Snarkaholic

          “My rod and my staff…they confront thee!”

  • GanymedeRenard

    Talking about inequality, all three of them are white, (cisgender) straight men. I wonder if there’s a pattern there? / s

    • Off topic, but how have you been? Definitely been a while.

      • GanymedeRenard

        I know! I’ve been dealing with my own demons and such – and been defeated more than once. What about yourself? Been back to NYC lately? I hope you’re doing great!

        • Yes, I have.
          You should email me.
          Kalibra197715
          At
          Gmail
          Dot
          Com

          • GanymedeRenard

            Will do as soon as I have a chance!

  • DaddyRay

    I predict the Roy Moore sex scandal will push the Harvey Weinstein story from the headlines on Fox

  • Lazycrockett
  • gaycuckhubby
  • another_steve

    Oh no… Rachel Maddow’s doing “the political history of 21st Century America” thing.

    Get to Roy Moore’s molestation of little girls, Rachel.

    • Moebym of the Returners

      History nerd has got to history nerd.

    • houstonray

      You know you’re in for a long segment anytime she starts off with “….in the summer of 1879…..” 🙂

    • No, it was one of her great A-block segments.

      We need to ask: Why is Trump deliberately destroying the State Department.

  • leastyebejudged

    Eat the rich, before they eat you !

  • JCF

    Just the phrase: “Roy Moore asked them out on dates.”

    A man in his 30s. To girls in their (sub-18) teens.

    WTFrellingF????

    • clay

      and was he already married to his lawyer at that time?
      How many wrongs DOES it take to make a right wing nut job?

  • gaycuckhubby

    “King David had 500 concubines for crying out loud” Sean Hannity just now on his show.
    Seriously

    Edit… sorry. It was trending on twitter. He said it after pussygate.
    Tinight he said
    “And he has one encounter with a 14 year old—“
    “And it was consensual—“
    “And it was consensual, that’s true.”

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    O/T and Newsweek can’t figure out why no one takes them seriously anymore. Gee, I can’t imagine why….

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/928663497772359681

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Rachel’s coverage of the decimation of our State Department is the most depressing fucking thing I’ve heard since the Retarded Shitgibbon from Hell stole the election.

    This!
    Is!
    Really!
    FUCKING BAD!!!

    • Lazycrockett

      Yeah I took a swig out of the vodka bottle half way through her segment.

    • “Time to ask why.”

      Why Tillerson, apparently a favorite of Putin’s. Why was his name put in front of Donald, who it’s reported never met him before.

      Why the deliberate wholesale decapitation and decimation of the State Department, which is one of the most effective non-violent ways the U.S. projects power around the globe and cannot do so now.

      Just imagine the reaction if we suddenly learned the Pentagon had been shedding officers at all levels and disbanding entire battalions, and wasn’t even recruiting replacements.

      • -M-

        Might as well ask why Flynn, why Ross, why Bannon, why Pence…

        • Sure, but as she pointed out, State and Tillerson is something different.

          Ross, Carson, Pruitt, Zinke = Put in place to burn down departments the GOP has often felt in recent years to be unnecessary.

          NO LOYAL AMERICAN, not even Republican leaders, believes State serves no useful purpose. Burning that down demonstrably weakens American power all over the globe and even harms our military because State and DoD often work together.

          Dismantling State is, IMHO, the way you continue an attack on America itself without people noticing as they would if it had come via military strikes.

          • -M-

            Yeah, State’s a plum target. I meant Rex, Wilbur, Mike & Mike etc were all selected for being especially favorable toward or at least manipulable by Russian interests.

          • Opinion Sousaphones

            Indeed. Tell me that Putin has no kompromat on Tillerson.

          • -M-

            I’m not even going to assume they needed to be coerced. As far as I’m concerned, they’re willing traitors until there’s evidence to suggest otherwise.

          • Exactly. Like I said, some were positioned precisely they were unqualified. Some because they could be counted on to dismantle the cabinet department they were put in charge of.

            But taking apart State actually diminishes the power of the Executive branch itself in international matters. It’s one thing to steer it to particular policy objectives, even if they’d been overtly pro-Russia. Gutting it from the inside out demonstrably reduces the administration’s global power.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Putin wanted our st dept dismantled.

    • JHunter
      • William

        Is Hillary running for office?

  • Leo

    I was wrong, it was still at 4 recounts originally. We’re down to 3. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/928782281027747841

    • clay

      Seriously? the only GOPper to hold on (so far) has been a woman versus 13 guys losing outright?

      That’s almost a “Yay!” when you look at he makeup of the GOP House and candidates.

    • bkmn

      Anyone know the details on the remaining three races? Are they in urban/suburban/rural areas? Did the district vote for the D or R candidate for governor?

    • Ninja0980

      Brought to you by gerrymandering.

    • Whatever the outcome, these results where Dems won 55% of the votes but may not win the VA House majority *will* be added to the case SCOTUS is already looking at.

    • -M-

      🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

  • Sam_Handwich

    did the guy on Rachel’s show just say “bible fucking”?

    • Lazycrockett

      thumping.

      • Sam_Handwich

        oh ok lol

        • Lazycrockett

          Its basically the same thing but you use your fist.

      • ‘Bama accents can be hard to decipher at times.

  • bkmn

    Just when you think the GOP can’t go any lower you have a Breitbart talking head saying that Roy Moore diddling a 14 year old girl is no big deal.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/breitbart-editor-defends-roy-moore-sexual-misconduct-allegations-2017-11

  • Ninja0980

    Going to get down to 17 degrees tonight..BRRRR!

    • bkmn

      Just saw that Minneapolis is going down to 8. I don’t miss that one bit, but the rainy season in Washington state is off to a big, wet start.

  • It’s not like Moore didn’t already tell us what he was and stood for:
    https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/928727697399959553

    The whole thread is worth a read.
    https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/928726026653487105

    Basically he argued that an older male having sex with an underaged female isn’t necessarily a crime if there was no threat of violence. He doesn’t think there’s any such thing as a statutory age of consent.

    • bkmn

      You can bet that Roy belongs to the “rape can’t cause pregnancy” club

    • Jerry Kott

      Tell that to the men who are sitting in a Jail Cell for doing the exact same thing. Then again it is Alabama , a different reality where the virgins are girls who can out run their brothers.

    • leastyebejudged

      So there should be like no requirement that there be, oh IDK, like some actually corroborating EVIDENCE ?

      Interesting argument.

  • Leo
  • gaycuckhubby
    • DaddyRay

      I didn’t hear them jump trough hoops to defend Anthony Weiner

      • Just be a Republican and anything goes. Weiner’s mistake obviously is he should’ve been a GOPer.

        • DaddyRay

          IOKIYAR

      • leastyebejudged

        I didn’t hear anybody jumping through hoops to defend Anthony Wiener.

    • JCF

      Is this like “legitimate rape”?

  • Lazycrockett
  • Leo
    • clay

      The established system is set up for controlling quick retribution, not for critiquing planned attacks.

      • That’s because until Trump, it was *always* assumed our Presidents would be level-headed enough not to launch a 1st strike.

        No more.

    • Gretchen

      I guess this means I get to make another thank you phone call to Sen. Corker in the morning.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/928070594981253120
    Man, there are a lot of bitter right wingers in the comments to him.

  • DaddyRay
    • I was a teen in those years… music videos from the 1970s were frickin’ weird.

  • bkmn

    And of course Hannity comes to Roy Moore’s defense.

    https://twitter.com/Scout_Finch/status/928783660848943105

  • Leo
    • Obviously his top concern is young teen girls will turn dyke before he has a chance to get his molesting greasy paws on them.

    • Friday

      CHristianists project, in this case about their ‘virgin’ fetish.

      • leastyebejudged

        Touched for the very first time…

  • safari

    OT: *Turns on police scanner*
    Continuous stream of car accidents and people falling off the expressway.
    It is the first ice of the season.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Sam_Handwich

      that was Missouri …not quite as fucked up as AL

      • DaddyRay

        Is there any state that is more F’ed up than AL

        • fuzzybits

          Mississippi. Tied maybe.

        • TampaDink

          I’d like to defend my state….but there are too many stories every day that begin with…”A Florida man…”

          • Lazycrockett

            The thing with Florida is 500 ft from a city limit its Deliverance country.

          • JCF

            Florida is the “Here, Hold My Beer” state. An all-you-can-eat buffet of cray-cray.

            …but it’s not the DEEP South nadir of Alabama&Mississippi.

        • Rocco

          I sincerely doubt it…unless it is Mississippi.

    • The one small thing that gives me hope is that now, finally, months after the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief was inaugurated, it does seem that sexual assault and harassment is an “In” trend, in terms of allegations being taken seriously enough to instantly end some men’s careers.

      We’ll have to see. Moore *might* lose, but even if he does, it’ll be by a sickeningly small percentage.

      • Sam_Handwich

        this is probably the best get-out-the-vote motivator that Doug Jones could have hoped for, and it didn’t cost a dime.

    • Lazycrockett

      Its easier for Alabama Republicans to vote for a child molester than a Democrat.

      • leastyebejudged

        Well, most of them are child molesters/sexual predators/serial rapist-divorcees.

        Seriously, have you ever been ?

        The entire state is a disgusting cesspool of poverty and churches on every fucking corner.

        • gaycuckhubby

          No they’re not.

          • leastyebejudged

            Yes, his supporters particularly in government, most certainly ARE all those things, as well as being “good Christians”.

      • Rocco

        Probably reality.

    • JCF

      Indiana bad, but Alabama for worse.

      …that said: Doug Jones definitely DOES have a chance!

      https://dougjonesforsenate.com/

  • Lazycrockett

    so Moore is fundraising on this.

    • Of course he is. A man who’ll sexually molest children has no shame.

  • boobert

    The world will be watching how the voters of AL react to this ! Are they gonna send this creep to the senate ? Everything he has done and said in his life is disgusting. You will deserve being looked down on by the rest of the world if you elect moore.

    • Lazycrockett

      Yes,Yes and Yes.

      • Ross

        And SO yes.

    • David L. Caster

      Most of them, certainly enough to elect Moore, don’t care.

      • Rocco

        I’m afraid you are correct, but I hope you are wrong.

        • David L. Caster

          This explicates something that lies at the root of the problem:

          Note that this was recorded the day before the 2016 election. Nevertheless it remains pertinent and I would suggest that you share it after watching it yourself for review.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLCUphApmr8

  • Blake J Butler
  • Ninja0980

    The Daniel Dale guy on Lawrence is a cutie.

    • gaycuckhubby

      I like him. And his twitter feed

  • Lazycrockett
  • fuzzybits
  • Lazycrockett
    • Cuberly Deux

      He thinks this is going to work.

      For small and diminishing returns. And I think Moore, most likely, will win.

  • leastyebejudged

    It’s interesting to me how massive wealth in the USA is always tied to some form of government subsidization, yet somehow, despite getting filthy rich off the infrastructure and opportunities subsidized by taxes paid disproportionately by the poor, we still permit this kind of insane accumulation of wealth by individuals.

    Then again, looking at how the rest of the world has handled things, this looks comparatively not so bad. At least I don’t live in a country where people accept that government officials have a right and duty to bring the police to my door to check if I have and unregistered television. Yes, I’m pointing at and dissing you, UK.

    • ultragreen

      “Insane accumulation of wealth” is the direct result of the policies of the mainstream Republican and Democratic political establishment. People in this country really need to start connecting the dots, or the wealthy elite are going to grab 99% of the wealth.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/lgbtqnation/status/928749383390302208
    Boy, Thanksgiving dinner at Bob’s house this year will be so much fun!

    • Treant

      Somehow I’m thinking that they either never had Thanksgiving together, or that they’ve simply ignored each other for years.

      • Ninja0980

        Likely true as well.
        I know two of my cousins have very little to do with their far right sister (who is divorced but it is still high and mighty) and that likely won’t change anytime soon.

        • Treant

          The same way my mother asked of my very fundamentalist cousin, “I’m surprised you can stand her.”

          My answer was that she’s a hypocritical, sanctimonious bitch, but I can tolerate her for a couple hours twice a year. Plus I repeatedly refer to “my husband” in her presence just to raise her blood pressure. “Where did my husband get to?”

  • Hue-Man

    O/T I hope that Nigerian asylum seekers aren’t falsely claiming refugee status based on sexual orientation; it puts ALL LGBT refugees in a more difficult position proving their persecution.

    60-70% of Nigerian asylum claims made in Ontario since April cited persecution based on sexual orientation
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nigeria-refugee-homosexuality-immigration-1.4390144
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e62425ead749e542ef49127b2c4cba0560e2bda634860c1c45c1e4989c3c803.png

    • Friday

      It does make you wonder why there’s so many claiming to be bi, comparatively. Some kind of scheme where they can say that and still be blatantly straight would only be one of the possibilities, but it’s concerning.

      • I think that’s exactly the reason.

        • Friday

          I dunno if there’s a cultural circumstance to explain the disparity in proportions, or what, but it’d bear some looking into by people who know.

    • Um, yeah… it sure does look suspicious, especially that column of those claiming to be Bi from Nigeria.

      • Silver Badger

        The should have to prove their bisexuality. I’m sure a dedicated team of JMG commentators could be of immense help to Canada.

      • Talisman

        Does it matter? Don’t they deserve better than to live in hopelessness?

        If they are using loopholes to escape their circumstances, maybe Canada (and the U.S.) should examine their criteria for accepting refuges.

        • Friday

          They could be trying to import those circumstances, including against LGBT people, being the problem.

          • Talisman

            Irrelevant. It’s more likely they just want out.

          • Friday

            Lying could have many motivations, as could ‘just wanting out.’ Or in.

  • Blake J Butler
  • Girlgoon

    Actually putin is rumored to be one of the richest but his money is all illegal and hidden All over the world in realestate and offshore accounts.

  • Lazycrockett
    • DaddyRay

      And greed – lots and lots of greed

    • MBear

      Umm…duh…?

  • Treant

    Tuesday helped restore my faith in humanity.

    The GOP reactions to Moore are destroying it again. If he wins, it’s gonna take a serious nosedive.

    • DaddyRay

      Republicans never give up. Roe v. Wade has been settled for decades and they still keep on fighting. We have to do the same because OUR lives depend on it

    • Sam_Handwich

      even weeks ago i consoled myself thinking about what a headache Moore will be for McConnell. and if he gets elected after all this, he’ll be an even bigger headache.

      so there’s that.

      • JCF

        Yeah, I try to see it as Win/Win. Win if (miracle) Doug Jones wins, Win if Roy Moore becomes (along w/ Drumpf) the face of the Grand Old Predator party.

    • SoCalGal20

      Well, Alabama is a “special” place. They have a history of letting their politicians get away with pretty much anything sleazy and criminal as long as they’re white and Republican. Read Daniel Dale’s astounding twitter thread about his phone calls he made to county GOP chairs in Alabama. No qualms about supporting Roy Moore. Lots of dismissal of his actions. And lots of “I cannot possibly vote for a Democrat so I have to vote for Moore”. So, yes, Moore is likely going to win. But AL isn’t the rest of the country. There obviously are going to be those red areas that will dig in their heels and double down but as Tuesday shows, it’s not everywhere and Dems are fired up and ready to go and have a lot of fantastic candidates. Hell, a progressive black man from Liberia got elected mayor of Helena, MT!!!! Good things can happen in the most unexpected places.

    • greenmanTN

      Meh. Don’t give them that much power over you. They’re going to do what they’re going to do, but it is Alabama after all. Unplug for a while if that’s what it’s going to take because he’s not worth ruining your equilibrium over and even if he gets elected he’s a dead man walking, politically.

      I have to wonder if the GOP mainstream didn’t know about this already. Otherwise why were they so opposed to him? It isn’t because of his overt religiosity or lack of respect for the Constitution because, let’s face it, that’s SOP for the GOP. They knew something.

  • fuzzybits

    Danica Roem rocking out. https://i.imgur.com/vlLknOS.jpg

    • DaddyRay

      She is the coolest politician and a perfect poster child for the Democratic Party – THIS is what I want the Democratic Party to look, sound and behave like.

      • I also loved how while her opponent ran on the usual GOP divisive BS, Danica’s top practical platform item was…traffic.

        Specifically, really bad traffic problems on the highways through her VA district and a plan to address them.

        After that? Healthecare, of course. And jobs and raising the minimum wage and all kinds of stuff people actually care about.

        Also, I envy the hell out of her hair.

        • DaddyRay

          I think we have all been longing for the day where we had a candidate actually addressed issues of their constituents and not shock jock politics

  • Talisman

    I have no issues with wealth in and of itself.

    Gates, Buffet, & Bezos built their businesses from the ground up. While I’m sure there are some shady practices in their past, they have mostly tended to do good things with their wealth.

    It’s the Trumps, the Kochs, and the Adelsons, who use their wealth to advance an agenda of greed. This is what irks me.

    All I really ask is that everyone pay their fair share, instead of creating loopholes and laws that unfairly distribute the burdens of government.

  • DaddyRay
  • DaddyRay
    • DaddyRay

      (took me a minute to realize nothing was going to appear in that white box)

      • AJ Drew

        lolz. Yup, I was thinking, “Did we just get punk’d by DaddyRay?”

      • JCF

        Yeah, Twitter embeds quite often don’t load for me (or take awhile): I thought this was just me.

        • AJ Drew

          psst… “Exculpatory”

    • Treant

      (went and read thread)

      Well, that’s a lot of evidence and I’m now convinced of their innocence!

      • DaddyRay

        Well Donald himself said there is nothing – he wouldn’t lie to us would he

        • Treant

          Never! He’s been proven to be eternally honest and completely straightforward!

          • DaddyRay

            And he has the BEST words

          • greenmanTN

            About 200 of them, as far as I can tell.

          • johncAtl

            200? I use 200 words cussing in traffic. Without conjunctions Trump doesn’t reach 100.

    • Natty Enquirer

      I knew Bowling Green would be implicated.

      • greenmanTN

        I will never forget where I was when I heard that Bowling Green didn’t happened.

  • safari
    • Sam_Handwich

      this whole pumpkin thing has gone far enough.

      i’m going to put a stop to it.

      • Lazycrockett

        Im not into the Pumpkin thing, but I love me some pumpkin pie. Its the best cause store bought pretty much taste like homemade.

        • Treant

          I detest pumpkin pie. Strangely, I do kind of like pumpkin spice as long as it’s heavy on the spice, very light on the pumpkin.

      • johncAtl

        In my best Chris Crocker voice…. “LEAVE pumpkin alone.”

        And who knew that Chris would turn to amateur porn…. not that I ever saw any of it, but damn he’s hot.

    • Treant

      For some reason, the “clear” trend is in a lot of places. Right now, there are tons of people asking how to make clear soap at home.

      You can do it but boiling methanol and open gas flames really don’t mix well…

      • William

        I once walked in to find my partner boiling oil based paint in a pot on our gas stove.

        • Treant

          !!!!

          The first question is…why was he boiling oil-based paint?

          • safari

            It’s kind of like mixing, right?

          • Sam_Handwich

            maybe they were out of water

          • William

            He was adding water to the paint. It looked like mozzarella gone wrong.

          • AJ Drew

            but I imagine it had a lovely potpourri effect…

          • William

            I really liked that pot. It had to go in the trash.

          • AJ Drew

            Ahem, my first question would be: “Are you still with this person?”

          • William

            Yep.

          • AJ Drew

            True love, congrats!

          • William

            Stockholm Syndrome.

          • William

            It had thickened, so he was adding water in an attempt to thin it. Fail on many levels.

          • Treant

            Oh, my. You’re lucky he didn’t blow up the house AND end up with unusable paint.

      • Sam_Handwich
        • safari

          And it was good.

      • djcoastermark

        Sheesh, you people and your meth stuff. harumphhh.

        • Treant

          Meth is naturally translucent. 🙂

    • AJ Drew

      I dunno; though I admire the technique and skill involved, that gives me bad flashbacks to jello molds.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e11679a236495707bd0834b4d044f0046e3d468d1403046b71e727cd914d2ec.jpg

      • safari

        How lime jello and green olives went together, I’ll never understand.

        • safari

          Actually. You accessed a memory. My grandma tried to make raspberry jello pickles one year because she heard the recipe on the radio.

          • AJ Drew

            Your grandma was the real Roseanne Roseannadanna?

        • Talisman

          I have never understood the appeal of olives.

        • AJ Drew

          so, the center full of canned tuna works for you?

          • safari

            Huh. I didn’t read the caption. What color is the tuna centerpiece?

          • AJ Drew

            gray?

        • djcoastermark

          green. Before and after you had to eat that monstrosity .

    • JCF

      Why?

  • DaddyRay
    • safari
      • Treant

        At least it killed itself and didn’t also kill 25 people as a sick sort of escort.

      • DaddyRay

        It didn’t want to live in a world where Trump could be elected President and I don’t blame it

      • Sam_Handwich

        it’s sad really

    • Lazycrockett

      Welcome to Skynet.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I would think the fundajelical gun fans would scream, “My One True God” the second they see a killing machine that doesn’t need to bone.

      • safari

        0/1 Welcomes You.

    • safari

      I was intrigued by the story a few years ago that proposed an autonomous killing machine that would be powered by biomatter it encountered. People took that to mean it ate the dead.

      • AJ Drew

        Well, there would be an admirable efficiency to that… kill target, consume target… until it went Hal and got the munchies.

    • JCF

      Why do I have the feeling that a killer robot wrote that article? O_o

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Three orphaned bobcat kittens being nursed by a domestic cat.

    https://youtu.be/ugjcTAOmaF0

    • Cat’s like, “Oh fuck me man, what DID I sign up for here? They have TEETH already!”

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Bobbie’s kittens are all “who are these new ones?”

      • Talisman

        First rule: NO TEETH!

        • johncAtl

          Maybe TMI, but I met a guy at a hotel bar one time that wanted teeth. The more the better. I thought it was weird but who am I to judge.

          • Natty Enquirer

            Vive la différence!

          • Talisman

            Who are you to judge?

            Someone with a penis?

          • johncAtl

            I am open to be appointed a penis judge.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Perhaps he was a masochist?

          • greenmanTN

            I’ll have to chew that over a bit and get back to you.

          • djcoastermark

            Oh spit it out already.:-0

          • AJ Drew

            You are very darkly punny tonight!

          • greenmanTN
          • AJ Drew

            nah, you’ve made me laugh tonight, thank you.

          • I met one once, too. Hey, whatever.

            Unfortunately he was a really lousy lay. Or fortunately. I didn’t invest much time at all in that particular relationship because he had way worse ‘issues’ regarding being truthful with me about just about everything.

    • safari

      Who milks a cat?

  • safari
  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I donated a small amount to Doug Jones through ActBlue. It’s a long shot but if he does win, I want to be able to feel slightly responsible and gloat like hell.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • safari

      He… found a line? Is that possible? I mean it is snowing here, but I guess hell is also having some flurries.

    • johncAtl

      Who knew that I would think at 62 that I would have a longer remaining lifespan than the U.S.

    • No, he didn’t.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6797de47c3e1b2ffe4de190450dd361464504d2037dab46e0dd940b820b9e577.jpg
      He flat out said there was consent. And now he’s in a panic because people noticed him saying that basically an 8th grade girl can and did consent to sexual relations with a 32 year old man. Even though in the WaPo article, it’s clear she felt somewhat coerced.

      Plus yes, a 14yo CANNOT legally give consent in any case.

      • johncAtl

        There you are again with facts. Not that facts matter in Alabama.

        • Talisman

          Or Repuglicant America.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I think the best way to react is write his advertisers and ask if they want to continue having commercials on a show led by a man who’s OK with old men preying on little girls.

      • JCF

        How she felt about it is basically irrelevant. Inability to consent is inability to consent.

        • That’s right. A grown adult has THE responsibility not to have any sexual contact with any person incapable or deemed not legally old enough to give consent.

          But Moore didn’t do that. He appears to have deliberately sought victims of a particular age and appearance, especially those in difficult family situations, and then engaged in what nearly every single molested person will recognize as the ‘grooming’ phase, aiming quickly toward sexual contact.

          • JCF

            I’m guessing that for every victim of under-age full-on sexual assault (we seem to run into problems w/ the word pedophilia around here: hair-splitting re “does age of victim match technical term”), there are probably another 9 who were groomed—but for some reason, the perp didn’t/couldn’t take it all the way to assault.

          • JCF

            Congress should have looked into this years ago. Oh, Speaker Hastert, if only you’d cared!

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Thank you for posting this, I heard the audio, there was no question what was being said.

      • Friday

        “Somewhat,” though? An assistant DA comes onto her right when her Mom’s in the same court? That’d be unethical if done to someone of *any* age, let’s not forget.

        • I was just going with the narrative as presented in the WaPo story. Corfman did go with him voluntarily. But that’s a common feature in child molestation cases, especially when ‘grooming’ has been involved — and it’s abundantly clear that’s Moore’s pattern.

          Befriend, seem nice, then isolate, offer intoxicants, then move on to attempting sexual contact.

          I am in no way excusing his behavior, simply trying to describe it accurately.

          I should know: I myself am the victim of childhood molestation and you’re not allowed to get even the least detail wrong or mischaracterize your own actions or behavior or they jump down your throat and blame you for your own attack. If you got into a car willingly, you HAVE to say you did. Otherwise they won’t believe the “I was then molested” part.

          • Friday

            Just saying his first come-on was under those circumstances in at least that case, allegedly, that’s possibly part of a whole other pattern of misconduct.

          • Additional reporting said he liked to prowl local shopping malls to trawl for girls and there was at least one account saying he was banned from one for harrassment.

            One case had him chatting up a girl working as a ‘Santa’s Little Helper’, then later dating her when she was 16.

    • Talisman

      “Misspoke”

      Is that his career in a nutshell?

      • safari

        Should be chiseled on his tombstone.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      I heard the audio, he didn’t misspeak, he said what he said without any ambiguity. I really wish people would stop with the milquetoast excuses and deflections.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Notice how it was coordinated that he was interrupted?

        The audio is like bad, bad badly rehearsed theater. It was obvious what they were attempting to do, they didn’t pull it off.

  • Oh ffs… it’s ‘the standard GOP talking point formulation.’
    https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/928856576798027776

    “If true…” It’s boilerplate for this scandal, as opposed to ‘thoughts and prayers’ for shooting victims.

    The Republican party, its leadership and the President will do nothing and just wait for it to blow over…and for Roy Moore to be sworn in.

    • safari

      There’s also that aside of it being “from many years ago”

      • As if there is a statute of limitations on having been a child molester.

        And oddly enough, in Alabama, legally there isn’t. He could be charged if there’s enough evidence.

  • safari
    • Translation: You get a 100% pass for molesting kids if it was long enough ago.

      • SoCalGal20

        You get a 100% pass for molesting kids if you’re a Republican. FIFY

    • Lazycrockett

      Moore is NOT going to back down. He is already doubling down which will energize his base. Plus if he withdrawal the GOP loses the Senate. That Isn’t going to happen.

      • While I doubt his base would ever desert him, even if he said he tried to marry a fourth grader.

        But Republicans even in deep red states are in the minority. They depend heavily on folks in the middle to win.

        And right now, it’s the Dems who are energized.

        • Lazycrockett

          I would be more than happy to be proven wrong, but I wont be.

          • And I’m pretty sure I will be proven wrong, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

          • JCF

            Did you see Samantha Bee last night? She said that “¯_(ツ)_/¯” was the official Rethug agenda on gun violence. (I laughed till—well, because—it hurt)

        • JCF

          “But Republicans even in deep red states are in the minority.”

          Huh? Do you mean DrumpfenKorp Republicans? Because I’m certain the GOP in Alabama has a majority of those registered to vote. The Dixiecrats are long gone.

      • Sam_Handwich

        i dunno

        he’s made no public, in person statement. i bet he bows out

        • Lazycrockett

          and who replaces him? Everyone who ran in the gop primary can’t run cause of the sore loser laws that Alabama has. I write in candidate is far too confusing for general public. The ballots are already printed with Moore’s name on them. The GOP may put on a face for the media, but behind the scenes they are reassuring Moore they have his back.

          • AJ Drew

            But DT yugely supported Luther Strange, until he didn’t (and deleted all his supportive tweets,) ‘cuz Moore won the primary. So… beh, it’s all so confusing and frankly gross.

          • Lazycrockett

            The best case scenario I heard today for the GOP was that Sessions quits the DOJ and goes back to being the Al. senator. Which I don’t even know if that’s legal.

          • William

            Sessions would have to be elected or be appointed after the winner of the current race is sworn in and steps down.

          • Sam_Handwich

            Moore is on the ballot as the GOP candidate no matter what. I think the deadline was 74 days prior to the election, which long ago expired.

            and by ‘bow out’ i guess i really meant he could disappear and maybe he’ll win anyway. but why put up with the public scrutiny in the meantime? he’s better off in hiding

          • Lazycrockett

            He will just do local media and scream fake news to the masses that do not trust national media.

          • boobert

            Can the people who were going to vote for moore even write?

    • Friday

      Like the Huckabee-Sanderses and Roy Moores and Drumphs have had any qualms about trying to destroy as many LGBT lives as *possible* projecting their own misdeeds onto innocents.

    • DaddyRay

      Trump said with Ivanka sitting on his lap

  • safari

    It’s obviously photoshopped, but I like the expression of the bottom cat.
    https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/928861048546852864

    • Sam_Handwich

      i identify most with the 3rd kitty from the floor

      http://www.funnycatsite.com/pictures/cats_up_the_stairs.jpg

      • safari

        I’m more of the 2nd tier kitty.

      • AJ Drew
        • djcoastermark

          ooh, baby cows !

        • JCF

          Maternal instinct among nursing mammals seems almost universal: just plug a suckling mouth on a warm teat, and anything goes!

          • AJ Drew

            In this case, those really were the puppies she birthed… damn that sneaky neighbor dog and his dominant genes!

          • JCF

            Oh, I thought those were kittens…

      • greenmanTN
        • AJ Drew

          ah, a lil’ dogs revenge, but lil’ dog knew to run fast as hell away, too.

        • MBear

          I cant stop freakin laffing at that

        • JCF

          I still can’t *quite* grok the dog’s intentions. Does it approach intending to freak out the cats? Is it also interested in the bird? Is it just curious what the cats are so interested in, and accidentally sets them off? Or somewhere in the middle of these? It’s hysterical, regardless!

      • houstonray

        I’m the 4th step kitty.

        • AJ Drew

          alert, poised, and furry?

      • I’m the dog who was locked outside.

        • Sam_Handwich

          :o(

        • AJ Drew
          • Treant

            My cat and our two dogs got along fine, just so long as they were separated by a baby gate. Otherwise, one of the dogs would inevitably chase the cat.

            With the gate up, they’d lay on one side, the cat on the other, and their backs would touch.

          • AJ Drew

            So, their relationship status was, “It’s complicated.”

          • Treant

            Very. The elder dog also couldn’t be allowed unfettered access to the cat’s room because the cat food was very interesting to him.

            So was the litter box.

          • JCF

            My family, w/ Labrador, had a visiting cat. They would hang out together, fine. And then every once in a while Sasha would tell herself “Oh, I’m a dog: I’m supposed to chase cats!” The cat would then just withdraw to the top of the fence for a minute or so, and wait for this phase to pass. Which it always did. [Eventually the cat, Smoky, became our cat!]

      • Treant

        I’m third from the top. Cautiously interested, but not entirely on board with what you’re doing.

      • greenmanTN

        Me too. It looks a bit suspicious of the whole thing.

        These are 2 of the 3 “feral” kittens, Tuffy and Girlene. I caught all three about 2 weeks ago and they’ve been inside ever since. Still a bit skittish, but I hand feed them treats every late afternoon so they’re starting to come around. I don’t know if they will ever be as affectionate as the others. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e52e4f9519840efc6478670026e5114821107a6db47e0fbf4c5621bf004deac2.jpg

  • Ninja0980
  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

      They’ll learn how Donald deals.

    • “Flatter the living shit out of the gourd-colored man and he will give us here in China EVERYTHING we ask for.”

      • Lazycrockett

        Foreign governments know how to play him better than the party or people that elected him.

        • His psych profile dossier is likely one page simply torn out of the DSM-V entry for ‘narcissistic personality disorder’ with the words “Insult to make enraged, flatter to make him give you whatever want, no limits” written in the margin.

          • JCF

            Yup.

          • AJ Drew

            Would “insult” be required more than “disagree with.” ?

          • “Disagree with” = domestic enragement
            “insult” = international

    • boobert

      And no one forced them to say it ! lol

    • Friday

      *laugh.* Sure, *that’s* genuine. 🙂

    • AJ Drew

      SO, they know how to play him, great. Uff.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      They will call him that or face life in a work camp!!!
      You go love dear leader now!!!

  • coram nobis

    Advert on the right hand column of this site: “Dating Single Russian Beauties: Meet Her Now.”

    Wow, their algorithm seems to be off for a number of reasons.

    • AJ Drew

      Depends on the algorithm; I’ve recently had a sudden number of folks asking to follow me, ALL with nonsense Disqus names and “.ru” emails/websites listed on their profiles; so, lots of bots spidering here, perhaps?

      • coram nobis

        Could be. Other ads are for Gen 5 (Glock) pistols. Something is poking odd adverts loose.

        • AJ Drew

          Well, on the plus side (hopefully,) Joe is getting a few pennies (hopefully converted from rubles?) out of this mischief, unless it’s CPV and I doubt anyone here would click any of those ads… hmm.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Me too. I had to go private, which is not smiled upon here.

  • Cuberly Deux

    GEEK ALERT!

    Yes, when I head over to a friends house on Thanksgiving, THIS is what’s on. It’s splendiferous! MST3K Turkey day Marathon! Wooooo!

    (Who needs sports ball bowl ball…sheesh)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ten9zXkCPkY

    • I catch it every year if I can, always fun. I also have a 99.9% complete MST3K video collection. Only missing episode is a single KTMA episode (#3) where the original broadcast tape was lost, so literally nobody has it.

      My name also appears as a Kickstarter backer on the Netflix revival series, in the credits for Ep 2, Season 11, Show 199: “Cry Wilderness.”

      • Cuberly Deux

        lol….yep same here, kickstarter all the way…SO anxious that they’ll be renewed. (fingers crossed). from what I’ve been reading online it looks like it’ll happen, licensing of the next seasons movies is what’s holding things up….that’s the gossip anyway.

        I have friends that are so pissed at the reboot alas I’ve been defending my favorite new episodes, The Beast of Hollow Mountain and The Loves of Hercules, they are so spot on MST fodder.

        • My name in the creds was *not* the reason, but I actually found Cry Wilderness to be one I liked best.

          Honestly, IMHO there were no stinkers at all in the reboot season. I’ve enjoyed every one of them. Still occasionally find myself humming the song from Reptilicus, “Every monster has a country…”

          • Cuberly Deux

            When I heard they were doing reptilicus I was practically giddy. Used to have a well weathered vhs of the movie back in the mid 90s. Perfect vid for a party. The riff was great.

    • BTW, if you get Pluto TV, the free streaming service, they have a 24/7 Rifftrax channel. It’s not bad. Has commercials, but it’s decent.

      • Cuberly Deux

        I’ve literally bought every Rifftrax episode since their site was launched. No joke. I have a hard drive archive with their entire catalog.

        If you’re interested there’s a MST3K spin off that started around 2006 that has some pretty awesome riffs. It’s called Incognito Cinema Warriors XP. You can download some of their non-rifftrax riffs at the rifftrax website.

        Their Youtube channels is fun as well. Lots of different riffs.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfzkdE1cFBk

        (My geek cred is complete.)

        • Interesting! Thanks for that. I wasn’t aware of that particular spin-off.

          Just received my Cinematic Titanic DVD collection last month or thereabouts, which was also good.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Love Cinematic Titanic. Seen them live twice, it was a lot of fun.

            Incognito Cinema Warriors XP has two episodes that are pretty awesome, Lady Frankenstein and Bloody Pit of Horror.

            http://www.icwxp.com/store/

          • I *almost* bought Bloody Pit of Horror the last time it came up on sale. I shall have to rectify that mistake.

          • Cuberly Deux

            There’s a rifftrax and a incognito cinema warriors version. Frankly the icwv version is better.

      • AJ Drew

        I cut cable a year ago, updated my Roku (it was 1st gen, still worked but barely,) and yes, Pluto TV is a pleasant surprise.

  • Max_1
  • Max_1
  • Lazycrockett
    • Sam_Handwich

      #winning

      • Treant

        #WinningSoHardYouHaveToChangePantsTwiceADay

    • I turned the sound down and just imagined goats screaming every time one of them opened his mouth. It was far more entertaining.

      • djcoastermark

        Yes.

      • AJ Drew

        Llamas. Llamas spitting.

    • GanymedeRenard

      The sound of crickets on steroids.

  • Ninja0980

    It’s starting to snow here… BOOOO!

    • Treant

      It snowed here on Tuesday! Just a titch, and only for an hour or so, and it didn’t stick, but it was mixed snow and ice.

      It’s now 40 and dropping as the cold front comes through.

  • blackstar
    • blackstar

      we are living a end of a era. Good , Bad, ugly .. it’s ending .

    • JCF

      Not sure what this has to do w/ anything, but I’ve always loved the song. Just screams SIXTIES! [Which I didn’t discover until a decade or two later. Because I’m not THAT old. ;-/]

      • AJ Drew

        Here’s something for all many of us to flashback and enjoy

        https://youtu.be/SbyAZQ45uww

      • greenmanTN

        To me this is the epitome of the late sixties. The song, the set, the clothes, the dance, and Julie Driscoll is FABOO!

        https://youtu.be/dCKZPEleI-U

        • JCF

          Who needs drugs, when you have this? [I confess, I’ve never heard of Julie Driscoll (rockin’ the Mia Farrow pixie). Who else did this song?]

          • AJ Drew

            Late ’60s was a surprisingly fertile time for the Arts… Rock Operas and Rolling Stones vs Beatles, and Bob Fosse. Wha? Are we there again?

          • greenmanTN

            The song was originally by Donovan but has been remade by many other people/groups. (Donovan doesn’t seem to get as much attention as others from the same era despite having several classic songs like Mellow Yellow, Sunshine Superman, Hurdy Gurdy Man, etc.)

            If you’ve seen AbFab you’ve heard Julie Driscoll singing the theme song, Wheels On Fire.

    • Snarkaholic

      Here it is, including the (always left out(!) second verse:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuoh4QS629I

  • blackstar
  • Max_1

    Giffords gun group sues Trump administration
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/359743-giffords-gun-group-sues-trump-administration

    Giffords’ group accuses the Trump administration of following the NRA in “lockstep” after recent tragedies such as the Las Vegas shooting, in its emphasis on prayer and support for affected families instead of pushing for new gun legislation.

    In the lawsuit, the group seeks information on the Trump administration’s handling of calls for lethal gun accessories such as bump stocks, which were recovered following the Las Vegas shooting, in relation to gun lobbying organizations.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Cats obviously think making bed is a game.

    https://youtu.be/ZaveoVIwWyA

    • AJ Drew
      • JCF

        That’s one chillin’ corgi (except for the teeth).

        • AJ Drew

          Eh, chillin’ vs focused… ?

    • Rebecca Gardner

      YUP! That’s what it’s like to make a bed when you live with cats. LOL!!!
      Cats make life so much fun.

    • JCF

      The bed-maker here is CLEARLY enjoying this too much, to be classified as a problem!

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Michael R

    I woke up for no reason , therefore I’m posting this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0wbYAn8IVw

  • AJ Drew

    A bit of fun:

    The Most Popular Song of Each Year [1940-2016]
    https://youtu.be/NAb7YyU_2E4

    Oddly, apparently Spanish wasn’t evil in the 1940s, or really since then, when it comes to popular music. (/s and !)

    • greenmanTN

      Didn’t you post some REM earlier? It seems to have disappeared.

      Weather or the government? Or maybe we should just accept that everything has gone…

      https://youtu.be/RPNGWUEgHEw

      • AJ Drew

        Yes, I did; I posted a R-rated version by mistake. I don’t think nipples (m/f) should be an issue, but they just are, and I don’t want to cause any problems for this site, so yes, I chose to delete that post.

    • GanymedeRenard

      It hasn’t been evil to be fair. XD
      Those are the most popular songs according to the U.S. Billboard chart. I’m almost sure Latin America and Spain had other points of reference up until recently.
      Fun fact – “Despacito”, sung by Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee, both Puerto Rican, is the first song that’s hit 4 billion views on YouTube in any language (and that was even before the hurricane). I mean, FOUR BILLION views!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk

      • AJ Drew

        population of Earth is perhaps 7.6 billion so 4 billion individual views… no. However, that’s a visually enticing video, I agree.

        • GanymedeRenard

          Not sure I get the gist of the first part of your comment… The second one, I concur.

          • AJ Drew

            I’m more in the mood to not disagree, so let’s just dance and enjoy, yes?

          • GanymedeRenard

            Cheers!

    • leastyebejudged

      Thanks for this.

  • blackstar
    • JCF

      I’ll never forget his tombstone epigraph:

      “I got a medal for killing two men
      And a discharge for loving one”

      Memory eternal.

  • ChrisMorley

    OT
    Ooooh this is SO embarrassing

    UK humiliated as [UN] international court election goes to runoff
    – International court of justice would be without British judge for first time since 1946 if Sir Christopher Greenwood loses

    ‘After five rounds of simultaneous voting in the security council and the general assembly in New York, four other judges from Brazil, Lebanon, France and Somalia were all elected to what is known as the “world court” in The Hague, [The Netherlands].
    ‘Greenwood, who has already served one nine-year term on the court, now faces an Indian candidate, Dalveer Bhandari, in a battle for the last place on the ICJ when voting resumes late on Monday. There will be a weekend of intense lobbying by diplomats at the UN to secure their candidate’s position.
    ‘There has been a British judge on the court since it was established in 1946.
    During voting in the general assembly on Thursday evening, support for Greenwood progressively seeped away. In the first round he secured the support of 147 countries; by the fifth round he was down to only 76 votes, fewer than half of the states in the assembly.

    ‘The vote will be interpreted as a blow to the UK’s international standing post-Brexit and demonstrates the increasingly limited diplomatic influence wielded by the British Brexit Buffoon foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, at the UN.’
    http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/pictures/462xAny/9/4/2/17942_Boris.jpg

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/nov/10/uk-humiliated-as-international-court-election-goes-to-runoff

    NB The US took its bat and ball home in 1986 as it flounced off in a huff.
    ‘The United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986 to accept the court’s jurisdiction only on a case-by-case basis.’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

  • JT

    President Trump wants Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore to “step
    aside” if allegations of sexual misconduct against him are proven true,
    the White House said Friday.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/359746-wh-moore-should-step-aside-if-sexual-misconduct-allegations-true

    Resign, Drumpf, you fucking disgraceful hypocrite!

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Moebym of the Returners

      There is no bottom…

      • gaycuckhubby

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    • AJ Drew

      Look at that post again, how many times is the word “alleged” used? Grrr.

      Where’s the “yes, all of them are guilty” part of it? Grrrr.

      • DaddyRay

        Unfortunately until charges are brought and he is convicted the term alleged has to be used

        • Jeffg166

          Yes, it’s the way the law works. Innocent until proven guilty.

        • Tomcat

          You know like Fox always uses ALLEGED when talking about what Hillary may have done.

  • Niblet58
  • SoCalGal20

    Just a reminder of who in Congress and the Senate support Roy Moore. (These probably aren’t the only ones).

    https://twitter.com/benmarter/status/928689094338777088

  • Ginger Snap

    Disgusting!

  • Tomcat

    I have no problem with wealthy people as long as they do not use their wealth to buy our politicians to lower their taxes and give them more benefits.
    I also like that two of these have agreed to give over half of their wealth to charity upon their deaths. How many republicans have made that commitment to America?

  • Tomcat

    OT: Trump and Putin both as a big party overseas. Watch for him and Putin to get a room together.

  • SoCalGal20
  • SoCalGal20

    Your daily reminder to help out Doug Jones in Alabama!

    https://twitter.com/tvietor08/status/928692264389435392

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    If only they could have more.
    Oh wait.
    Working on it…..

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