Joe Biden: I Still Don’t Know About 2020 Bid

The Salt Lake Tribune reports:

When asked whether he would run for president in “three short years,” former Vice President Joe Biden, a practicing Catholic, made the sign of the cross over his heart and laughed. But he didn’t rule it out entirely.

“Yes, I think I’m qualified, but that doesn’t mean I should be president or that I will run for president,” Biden told a Salt Lake City audience Monday night. “The honest to God answer is that I don’t know.”

If he did decide to run, Biden added, he would “not be coy” about it. And he seemed to prove that much during the 90-minute affair at Abravanel Hall, where he shared his candid, off-the-cuff critiques of the current White House administration and his unfiltered fears on “the breakdown of our political system.”

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Joe, honey, I love you. You are the best, but forgodsake, let someone else who is younger take the reins. Time for you to retire. Again.. love ya…

    • canoebum

      And who exactly would that be? After this shitstorm is over, we’re going to need someone with real governing experience and ability to put the country back together again. Who are you suggesting?

      • Reality.Bites

        Oarack Bobama.

        (They’ll never figure it out)

        • Halou

          Or, like this gem of a tweet from a woman in England.

          http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02845/obama_2845339b.jpg

        • JustDucky

          I mean, we know they can’t tell a real birth certificate from a fake one. And they do think all black people look the same…

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      • AlternativeQuacks

        I really like (not necessarily in any order): Chris Murphy, Ted Lieu, Eric Garcetti, Gavin Newsom, Tammy Baldwin, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Julian Castro, Martin O’Malley, Sherrod Brown, Deval Patrick, Sean Patrick Maloney, Mitch Landrieu, Tammy Duckworth, Amy Klobuchar, Jay Inslee, Seth Moulton and Howard Dean.

        I like Elizabeth Warren and Al Franken a lot, too, but I worry that each of them in their own way might be weak candidates. The GOP has been ramping up attacks on Warren especially, similar to the steady build-up of attacks on Hillary that they started 8 years ago. Also, Warren will be 70 years old in 2020 (and Franken will be 68).

        I’m okay with Andrew Cuomo, Time Kaine, Terry McAuliffe, John Hickenlooper and Mark Warner. (I’d still vote for them, but not as enthusiastically as the first group).

        See? No shortage of decent candidates.

        What I do not want is the stupid novelty candidates whose names are being thrown around: Mark Cuban, Sheryl Sandberg, Oprah Winfrey, “The Rock”, etc. I also do not want anybody who will be over 75, preferably not even over 70, by 2020: That means no Biden (who I love otherwise) and no Sanders (who I now despise).

        • another_steve

          Good names in your list.

          Cory Booker was at one point in time apparently being groomed for big things. I don’t know where he stands today in establishment party politics.

        • canoebum

          I guess you’re pretty easy to please. Basically, you’ll take any Democrat as the candidate. As a New Yorker, let me suggest you knock Andrew Cuomo off that list right away. Cory Booker is not to be trusted. Terry McCauliffe has more baggage than an airline and people like Gillibrand, Harris and Klobuchar are needed in the Senate. Joe Biden is in good health, is well-liked and knows the levers of government forward and backward. We need someone who speaks with authority and can get the business of good governance done. Your ageism is unfortunate.

          • The_Wretched

            Age is a legit concern but I otherwise agree.

          • canoebum

            I would vote for Joe Biden in 2020 without giving it a second thought. The man is the complete opposite of what we have now. Modest, hardworking, intelligent, empathetic, experienced in government, knowledgeable of the issues and the law, in short, what a President should be.

        • Jeffg166

          I would love to see Al Franken run. He would be able to tear any republican apart with a lovely smile on his face as he slip the stiletto in.

          • AlternativeQuacks

            I like that about him in the Senate, but that’s exactly what might sink him as a presidential candidate. Franken and Warren have both put themselves waaay out there attacking Trump-aligned Republicans and corrupt kleptocrats (who admittedly deserve every minute of it), but that also means they’ve made a lot of enemies, especially in the right-wing media. Just about the only Dems they hate more than Warren and Franken are Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi.

        • Reality.Bites

          Regardless of whether or not she should run, I suspect that Oprah would make a decent President.

          1 – she’s an excellent communicator. Better, I’d suggest than any of the presidents who are considered great communicators.

          2 – she’s smart.

          3. She doesn’t think she knows everything.

        • Danieruw

          Unfortunately, Ted Lieu is not eligible to be president. He was born in Taiwan.

      • ohbear1957
    • another_steve

      His age doesn’t concern me (ageism is a bad thing), but he’s been known to suffer from Stupid Mouth Disease – which for a President of the United States would be a bad thing. (The current sexual predator in the Oval Office, case in point.)

      President Obama managed to contain Biden. That must have taken a lot of effort on his part.

      • GayOldLady

        He’s too old Steve……Trump was too old, Bernie is too old and Hillary is too old. People over 65 are much more vulnerable to disease and the likelihood of some sort of dementia is much higher for Seniors 65+. I’m in my 70’s and even if you’re in the best of health you’re no match for a person in peak health in their 50’s or even early 60’s. We should have an upper limit on the age of President just like we have a lower limit.

        • another_steve

          Mental health is a requirement, of course. I reject the notion though that being past age 65 calls into question one’s mental health. If I had a dollar bill for every person in their 30s and 40s who I’ve known and who should have been declared mentally unfit to leave their homes in the morning, I’d be a millionaire.

          Regarding “peak of health,” should that have disqualified FDR and JFK from having been President, in your opinion?

          • GayOldLady

            I hear what you’re saying, but FDR was 51 when he was elected, 63 when he passed. He could run this country from a wheelchair. JFK was 42 and many of his issues were health issues related to his service in WWII and his Addison’s disease diagnosed after he was elected POTUS. There have been a lot of people who have served with chronic illness, but not chronic illnesses that prevented them from doing their job and not the sort of cognitive illnesses that Reagan had during his second term and Trump has now. Until we find a way to diagnose these cognitive illnesses before they’re elected, we need to put an upper age limit on the Presidency. Just my honest opinion. I think every candidate for POTUS should have to go through a physical and a test of their cognitive function. We deserve to know what we’re voting for before we vote.

          • another_steve

            The idea of a mandatory test for cognitive function is a good one.

            I wonder whether Trump would have passed one of those.

          • ChrisMorley

            You’re being excessively polite in even contemplating that as a possibility.

          • GayOldLady

            I don’t think Trump could pass a physical or a cognitive skills test.

        • Reality.Bites

          I don’t think there should be a limit on either end.

          If you can vote, you can be President is the way I think it should be (it is that way in Canada). I think it’s up to the voters to decide. (In Canada our oldest party leader is 45 and the youngest is 38)

          I agree he’s too old, and for the same reasons you do. I just don’t believe there is a place for restrictions on any class of citizen of voting age from running for any office.

          • craigbear

            I notice you smartly avoided blowing their minds by not telling them *which* party leader is the *oldest* of the bunch…

          • prixator

            It’s crazy that at the last election (only two years ago) he was the youngest party leader.

            But, he wears his age well! 😉

      • Circ09

        The age thing for me is about older people not having the first clue about the concerns of the younger generations or how to revamp our society for a digital economy. Most of the elders in office can barely work their damn Email program which younger people only use today for work purposes because their managers still think it is 1996.

        Biden doesn’t just have Stupid Mouth Disease. He is also very “handsy” with the ladies in a way that can be distasteful.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      ^^ YASS!! ^^

    • TrueWords
    • narutomania

      Anastasia Beaverhousen … Babycakes, you took the words right outa my mouf.

  • bkmn

    If he runs I would support him but I hope he doesn’t. He had a long career and we need some fresh faces.

  • Tawreos

    We need to run someone that the GOP doesn’t have years of propaganda stored up for.

    • Ninja0980

      They’ll just make stuff up anyway.

  • Gustav2

    77, you are going to run for POTUS at 77?

    • Jake GG

      He and Trump are about the same age. Still I’d like to see Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren.

      • Hank

        Perhaps with Senator Martin Heinrich for VEEP??? At least for the eye candy!
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/660c17c003a929d0e52c02b8524bf0390f51b81030274ec62b13bef155766b43.jpg

        • Phil2u

          WOAH! Look at that jawline. A la Tom Tryon.

      • GayOldLady

        Warren is too old too. She’ll be 71 in 2020. I hate to be slapping down my own age group, but I will because I don’t believe people over 65 should run for POTUS, mostly because of the unpredictably of their health and their cognitive abilities. Dementia can sneak up on a person before they even know what’s happening. The lower limit for running for POTUS is 35, the upper limit should be 65 until we have a better way of detecting diminished mental capacity. We’re living with a mentally incompetent POTUS right now, we don’t need another.

      • The_Wretched

        Not Booker, he’s entirely compromised by the finance sector.

  • Tatonka

    I’d be be totally fine with Biden in the white house. Totally get the age thing, but he’s real, he seems to be in great shape, and he could wipe the floor with Trump.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c11a329f7b3a4ee56756de529d69a2326dfa51464b2f6f48ddd258399ef6b8a.jpg

    • Bambino

      I’m not dead set against him. It’s very much depending on the political climate in 2020. Anyone who has the biggest chance at taking back the country from Russian and restore America back to its original form should be the one to vote for.

  • Lars Littlefield

    OT: Lady Brazile is on CBS News right now backpedaling as fast as she can, having just been grilled by her editor, Gayle King. Even Charlie is drilling in deep and mean. It’s sad.

    • Ninja0980

      She chose to throw her party under the bus for $$$.
      No pity for her at all.

      • Lars Littlefield

        LOL! That was one of the first questions all three asked her. LOL!

    • Boreal
    • danolgb

      My fear is this is going to kill joint fundraising and of course only in the Dem party. It’s going to cripple us for future elections.

      Thanks Donna for keeping the Republicans in control.

      • GayOldLady

        It makes me leery about giving. I gave to HFA, the DNC, the DCCC and the DSCC during the last election and I’ve given to all since the election, but I’m reluctant right now because I’m not sure where my money is going and I’ve being in that donor poll for over 50 years.

      • Cipher

        The only fundraising Donna is doing right now is for her book.

    • GayOldLady

      She was a horrific campaign manager for Al Gore. I told her so during the Gore/Bush campaign. I think this memoir was her way of extricating herself from guilt in the collapse of the DNC right at the beginning of the Presidential campaign. She says that as an Officer of the DNC she was in the dark. I wonder how much money she was raking in from the DNC during the time she was in the dark. She literally threw everyone under the bus but herself. It smacks of JUDAS.

      • Lars Littlefield

        I’m finding this all very sad. I don’t know her, but she had a bit of sparkle and shine that made me think she knew what she was doing. Her book tour and defensiveness and back pedaling seem to throw bad shade only on herself. She claimed that she is still a ranking member of the DNC. And she’s still never publicly come out, just assuming that it’s no big deal. Color me disappointed.

        • GayOldLady

          I think it’s been common knowledge for about 20 years that she’s a lesbian, but her activities on behalf of LGBT rights haven’t been publicly significant. When Donna Brazile became so outraged over the comparison of the LGBT rights movement to the Civil Rights movement and actually fought against putting our issues on a par with other civil rights issues in the Party platform, she lost me forever. I don’t think there is a direct correlation between the LGBT Rights movement and the Civil Rights movement, but there are many similarities and the fact that Brazile didn’t go to bat for us when she was in a position too was a game changer. I already had a bad feeling about her leadership when she was Gore’s campaign manager, but that coupled with the Civil rights issue and now this has done it for me.

  • Talisman

    I would vote for him, but the Democrats need younger people, and someone who gives more consideration to his words.

  • Bambino

    I swear buried deep under the Capital Hill is a fountain of youth that has keep these never retire politicians from ever relinquishing their life long career Ron Howard warned us about.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9e894d675c357b7145d2107323ccdfd39f98b7bdae4982add57e984fb6066a5.jpg

    • Lars Littlefield

      In the case of Orrin Hatch (R, senator from Utah) he’s an alien from a planet he’s refused to identify. But he has admitted that he’s from outer space. Seriously. He’s truthfully told reporters no less than three times in the last twenty years when asked, “Yes. I am an alien.” We’ll never be rid of him.

      • Steverino

        Golob? Otherwise, somebody needs to tell him: “Oh, Orrin, for God’s sake, take your head out of Uranus.”

        • danolgb

          It’s Kolob.

  • JustDucky

    I seem to be in the minority here, but I’m okay with our next president being in his or her 60s or 70s as long as our next veep isn’t. I wouldn’t mind voting a Biden/Harris ticket.

  • William

    Biden will be 78 years old in 2020. That is way too old for one of the most stressful jobs on the planet.

    • Halou

      A reminder that Trump is 71 years old now and his mind, as bad as it was before, is deteriorating rapidly due to the stress of the office. It doesn’t help that the precedent has never done an honest day’s work, or any work for that matter, in his entire life.

      • William

        My father is 76 years old. Every one of his odd personality traits has magnified of the last decade. If he doesn’t get exactly what he wants, he gets rude and whiney. He talks to almost everyone the same way he does to his 5 year old great-granddaughter. And, he can’t go anywhere at all in the car without using GPS.

    • Tatonka

      Trump will be 74, and he looks like the Portrait of Dorian Gray’s morbidly obese grandfather.

  • Hank

    That was one of my concerns about Bernie. He is 76.

  • Jon Doh

    He’s waiting on word back from Servpro as to whether they will be able to get the stench out of the oval office.

    • Lars Littlefield

      There’s not enough desert sage to burn or enough native American shamans to wave it around to clean up the stench in the White House.

  • Jonathan Smith

    10 years ago, yes. 15, maybe.
    should he win, he would be 78?
    by the end of his first term, 82
    if a second? 86?
    i just don’t see it.
    unfortunately, i ALSO don’t see anyone else in the running

    • Lazycrockett

      He never makes it out of the primary season. The media likes to dog him. He’s a groper.

  • Tomcat

    It really does NOT matter who runs for Democratic presidential candidate.
    The media will crucify them immediately. Always do and Democrats help them do it.

    • Bambino

      Maybe bringing Joe’s name up is meant as a misdirection for the pack of RWNJ to waste their energy on.

  • Ninja0980

    Will be heading out to vote in a few minutes.
    Will be voting no on a Constitutional Convention for New York.
    I wouldn’t trust the right wing assholes in this state for squat.

    • Hank

      The NYTimes, suggested to vote No, for it. It would never make a difference, as the Rethuglicans in Albany NEVER DO ANYTHING…. except line their own pockets!

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Take a friend

    • Boreal

      I voted to make sure if they are convicted they can’t receive pensions.

    • GayOldLady

      I wish all of you voters a Happy Voting Day.

    • Treant

      Our trigger issue is “rescind property taxes [for the elderly].”

      Nowhere in the text does it say anything about the elderly, but our Republican state house has been claiming that. Really, they want to manipulate the taxes on their own properties and those who pay them off well enough.

  • Lazycrockett
  • TheManicMechanic

    I don’t know either. I love me some Uncle Joe, bit, like many have pointed out, he’s up in years. Truth be told, Biden would run this country a million times better than The Dotard even if he had a massive stroke. We don’t always have a lot of luck with aging pols.

    • Boreal

      He’ll need to pick a young but experienced VP.

      • TheManicMechanic

        That would be wonderful.

        • Boreal

          I want Harris.

          • CanuckDon

            I could see the potential there….the mature father figure persona that so many Americans are convinced they need with his vibrant, trusty sidekick who kicks ass. Americans would be comforted that Biden is holding the reins when, in fact, he has the foresight to let her have full control. Hey..it seemed to work for George W.

    • Tomcat

      Remember the media will immediately point out Biden has used foul language on camera.

  • Tomcat

    Lets make a pact right now, not to let Bernie run as a Democrat.

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      So help me to understand so that we can put the Bernie issue to rest once and for all.

      We’re complaining that party-neutral youth are to blame, at least partially for Hillary’s loss, but we don’t want Bernie to run as a Democrat because, somehow that will take away from the other guy? In which case the argument is that Bernie actually pulled Democrats away from Hillary.

      The real issues were fluid party principles, misogyny, greed and graft, the Soviets, Corporate lobbying, Republican illegal, and immoral gerrymandering and suppression, and the release of highly questionable information from Assmange.

      All of which are way more important factors, and which still influence coming elections, than what platform Bernie, who I happen to think these days is just another scummy politician, runs on. Shouldn’t we be more focused on the the above factors?

      Seriously Bernie at best was a flash in the pan. Barely a footnote in life in anywhere but, Vermont. Fuck Bernie, but the greater fucks should be towards getting fuckheads out to vote in the first place.

      • The_Wretched

        Bernie is a proxy hate target for anti-left hate. It’s notable that the Dem “moderates” hate the left and attack them more emotionally than they attack the political right. It’s a cynical strategy to disenfranchise liberals and keep the political ‘average’ in the US well to the right of center.

  • Tomcat

    I find it difficult to picture America in 2020 myself.

    • Mike C

      Have you see or read The Road?

      • Phil2u

        L O L

  • Distingué Traces

    oh god dammit, Joe, why didn’t you run in 2016, everything would be fine right now

    • Tomcat

      His heart was not in it due to the loss of his son, don’t blame him, they would have destroyed him emotionally.

  • TampaDink

    I have great respect for V.P. Biden…but he will be turning 75 in 2 weeks. While I am not doubting that he is still as sharp as a tack, and any Democrat would be an improvement over what we have now, I respectfully wish that he’d enjoy his retirement.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/927708597378789376
    Did this asshole see the ads Republicans ran in VA about Democrats?
    You listen to those ads, Democrats just love child rapists and MS-13.
    Where the fuck is his outrage over that?

  • GeneInSJ

    He’ll be 77. Sorry but no.

  • HZ81

    We already know, Joe. It’s a no. But we still got love for you.

  • margaretpoa

    You’re qualified. You would have made a great President. But you’re too old. Sorry, Joe.

  • I love dim sum

    I actually would have voted for him over corrupt ass Hillary.

    • William

      You’re still upset that Stalin isn’t available.

    • Gianni

      Corrupt. The irony of your using that word about the woman who didn’t become President and ignoring the actuality of the man who became President. Interesting and blind.

  • leo77

    I like Biden, but the Dems really need to be deepening their bench and cultivating new talent. People joked about all the Republicans in the primary, but having a runoff between two 70 year old Senators is not a sign of great vitality. Also based on what I’ve been reading about many Trump voters, they were motivated by deep weariness and suspicion of career politicians. Perhaps someone who hasn’t been in the Senate since forever.

  • BobSF_94117

    Our political system has not broken down. It is under assault by Russia and the traitorous GOP.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Starting your presidential term at 77 isn’t a good idea, Uncle Joe.

  • nipper

    If the only qualified people are over 70 in 2020 we are in trouble (on both sides)

  • Please no.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    You’re a great guy Joe, but no. Time for a younger, fresher face with new ideas to come into the fight. To be sure, I still maintain that many on the left made a strategically stupid move by allowing Trump to win via proxy, thus causing possibly decades worth of damage to the nation, both domestically & internationally, but now? Now, it must be someone from a younger generation. Sorry Joe, but ya gotta go.

    • William

      Trump’s chances of actually running in 2020 are about the same as mine being named Miss America.

      • Phil2u

        “There she is…..”

    • Phil2u

      Agreed. I love Joe Biden, but he is not what the party needs today.

  • MarkBuster

    All I need to know is if Howard Dean and Wasserman endorse him. If so, forget it.

  • Forget my vote. I remember the Clarence Thomas hearing and your act then. Up your giggy, Joe.

  • Pluto Animus

    As far as I’m concerned, Biden is our only hope.

    Would someone who knows him please fake a sign from God for good Senator Biden? He really has to run in 2020.

  • Gianni

    I tend to think that Joe’s moment in the presidential sun has passed. He likely would have won in 2016, but ………4 years from now?

  • andrew

    Your too damn old Joe and so is Hillary, Sanders, Warren and a bunch of other wonderful 70 somethings. Step aside and let younger progressive Democrats move into leadership positions. By all means you old timers should give them the benefit of your experience by advising the younger generation, but don’t block their path to leadership positions.

  • DevineBovine

    Go away!! Far, far away!!!

  • Mike in NC

    No offense, Joe, but it’s time for the baby-boomers to step aside. Boomers have been hogging the cultural landscape for half a century now, and now that their sunset is coming, they don’t know how to make a graceful exit. To quote JFK, it is time to pass the torch to a new generation.