Texas Shooter ID’d As 26 Year-Old Former Bible Study Teacher, Used AK-15 Assault Rifle, Wore Combat Gear

Heavy.com reports:

Devin P. Kelley was identified as the gunman who walked into the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on a Sunday morning and murdered at least 25 people, wounding many more. The shooter’s name was reported via sources by The New York Times and CBS News; the latter gave his name as Devin Patrick Kelley.

The horrific mass shooting wounded almost everyone inside the small white church building in the town of only a few hundred people. Authorities in Sutherland Springs, Texas have confirmed that there are multiple casualties – as many as 25 were killed – after frantic social media reports described a man, now named as Kelley, 26, walking into the church in combat gear and shooting parishioners.

The shooter was “now ID’d by authorities; white male in his 20s from outside San Antonio,” reported Mike Levine, a journalist for ABC News. “Authorities are now scrubbing his social media; on Facebook in recent days, he showed off an AR-15 style-looking gun.” After opening fire inside the church, reports say, the gunman took off in a vehicle. Not soon after the shooting, though, he was also reported to be dead.

  • Macbill

    God works in mysterious ways…

    • RaygunsGoZap

      He just loved them so much

      • Gigi

        He needs more angels in heaven.

        • Sashineb

          He called them home to avoid a bigger catastrophe …. Or maybe Pat Robertson could say they were called home so they won’t be tempted to become atheists.

          • PhilBob13

            He had a plan for all those people.

          • Sashineb

            His ways are not our ways, and in the fullness of time, all the answers to mysteries will be revealed…

          • David Walker

            And apparently plans for the people cleaning up afterwards.

          • Ben in Oakland

            Yes. They’re dead.

    • xzargo

      Thoughts and prayers…

  • Lizard

    According to Trumpanzees, authorities are scrubbing his pages to make it look like a Trump supporter rather than the antifa liberal he probably was.

    Just in case you needed more reasons to hate the universe.

    • JCF

      Yeah, *Texas* “authorities” would WANT to make him look like Trump supporter/not look like antifa.

      Insane Troll Logic.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I loathe these people who are unable to admit when someone like them does something horrible.

    • Tulle Christensen

      Well that is what the liberal Texas Rangers always do, right?

    • Jeffrey

      Do yourself a favor and don’t click on alex jones

      • Lizard

        I never click on Alex Jones. I consider it to be harmful to my health.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      I dont hate the universe. I hate the trump/putin/republican axis of evil cult

    • SoCalGal20

      In TX? They do know the authorities looking into this are a bunch of good ol’ boys, right?

    • Handy Dandy Notebook

      Yeah, because we lefties are all about guns, right?

      Someone on another page said Mexico should pay for the wall to protect themselves from Texas.

    • Notice the lack of conspiracy theories when the terrorists is non-white (like the New York truck attack) and the barrage of conspiracy theories when the terrorist is white. It’s almost as if conspiracy theories are design to shield white men from the standards we put on everyone else.

      • Lizard

        I’m sure Alex Jones is already red-faced and screaming about false flag operations.

        • FAEN

          Standard operating procedure. If we’re able to pull all this off how come we couldn’t mastermind a Democrat in the WH.

          His followers are more fucked than he is.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Sorry. That’s what religo9n is for.

  • Harveyrabbit
    • coram nobis

      “Blessed are the peacemakers.”

    • Lazycrockett

      “Jesus loves the little AR’s”

      • Snarkaholic

        Asshole Republicans?

    • don

      ‘Muscular Jesus’.

      Bloody hypocritical religious nuts. I know it’s cynical…but I gotta wonder how many folks in that church voted (R) and viewed the 2nd Amendment as sacred.

  • NZArtist

    My thoughts and prayers are with the NRA.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      I hope he’s talking about his gun and not an ex.

    • Prost Seattle

      White leather couch? That alone warrants a ban from owning a weapon.

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    Bapists.
    White folks.
    Texas.
    Bible study teacher.
    AR
    Combat gear
    Military training: 4 years USAF

    Dana Loesche? This one’s all yours. Start explaining.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      the only way to stop a sunday school teacher with a gun is by another sunday school teacher with a gun

      • FAEN

        I’ve said this before-wish there was a law that let me smack a Xtian with their own bible whenever they blame everyone else for their BS.

        I’m horrified at how much better that would probably make me feel. 🙁

        • Ben in Oakland

          Then don’t feel good about it. Just do it

          • Steve Smith

            i agree. Just do it, and make sure the bible is a really heavy one.

          • Ben in Oakland

            With spikes

      • Paula Key

        Yeah. Like teachers needing them at Sandy Hook; movie goers hiding them in Denver under their popcorn; Pulse goers dancing with them around their ankles – and now, pastors will tell every one of their congregation to have at least one ‘fake/’ bible that is just a holder for a gun.

        • Oh, for the innocent days when moviegoers hid something else in the popcorn.

        • Librarykid

          Would that be in addition to the fake bible that holds the flask?

      • Eddie Besketti

        you should make that: the only way to stop a bad sunday school teacher is with a good sunday school teacher.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          Yes i agree. I wrote it quickly.

    • FAEN

      That walking toxic waste site will somehow blame Obama. Or Hillary. Or the gays. Or all of the above.

      • Scott Carpenter

        Well, the shooter is obviously the gay offspring from when Hillary and Obama had that adulterous affair.
        Oh, and Alex Jones – if you pick this up and rebroadcast it, I’m suing for 10% of the daily proceeds for every day you repeat it. Gross, not net. You’re on notice.

      • Galvestonian

        …and the immigrants.

    • TrueWords
      • Nic Peterson

        Is it any wonder he became radicalized? When will our leaders say the words Radical christianist terrorist?

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      • Matt

        Funny how much that actually looks like Steve Doofy. I mean Doocy.

    • TrueWords
      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        And a fucking judge to order the state to release from shackles an undocumented female IN CUSTODY so that she could have an abortion that she was paying for.

        • TrueWords

          EXACTLY…

      • FAEN

        That is one fucked up state.

        • Paula

          Unfortunately, you are correct. I will be tied to the State of Texas for the rest of my life. My retirement comes from the Teacher’s Retirement System of Texas. My health insurance comes from them, too.

          • Statistics Palin

            Well, if you get cancer, you have the best hospital in the world for cancer M D Anderson, in your state. Also, in state charges were always considerably lower than out-of-state charges.

        • Galvestonian

          …too many Republicans.

      • JohnAGJ

        The problem with licensing for things like cosmetology isn’t limited to Texas. That’s a problem with a lot of states and really impacts folks in the lower wage group. It truly is an asinine way by big business to keep the little guy down. I get your point though.

      • Dunkerblinker

        obviously it takes a lot of hours to perfect the mullet

      • don

        It’s not known as “America’s Asshole’ for nothing.

        Took away JFK, gave us Bush…

    • TrueWords

      Yes in Texas they passed a law that you can bring guns on college campus…because you know guns don’t kill people…

      http://www.danzigercartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/danzcolorplus7048.jpg

      • Buford

        …and because what we all need in a real active shooter situation is a bunch of testosterone-saturated, Call of Duty-veteran frat bros with sidearms playing Dirty Harry… you know, to ‘help out’.

        • obarthelemy

          But if they don’t got guns, who’s gonna shoot the tornadoes away ?

          • Librarykid

            There is that disturbed religious woman who claims to be able to pray them away.

        • Still, I shine

          Happened in Thornton, Colorado. It took the police five hours to find the real shooter because so many people in the Walmart lot were pulling guns.

      • FAEN

        I believe you can also take them into bars. Maybe that’s Ohio. Regardless-what could possibly go wrong when you mix young not fully formed minds and/or alcohol with guns 🙄

      • Librarykid

        Remember when a former Marine sharpshooter named Charles Whitman took to the tower at the University of Texas on August 1, 1966 and went on a shooting spree? On July 13-14, 1966 Richard Speck tortured and murdered 8 nurses in Chicago. Those were horrifying, out of the ordinary events. Now they come like a subscription to fruit from Harry and David, no joke intended.

    • Buford

      A dishonorably-discharged, military-trained gun nut who recently purchased an AR-style assault rifle that he lovingly bragged about being ‘A bad bitch!’ on Facebook…

      (sigh) If we only had a warning sign.

      • David Walker

        It’s the same thing as that hurricane that came from out of the blue and decimated the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. If only we had known about it, we could have been ready to help their recovery.

      • bkmn

        If only wastebook had an algorithm they could run to identify these types earlier. (I suspect they do have one but choose not to use it)

        • Buford

          Or, how about if friends and neighbors woke up and said, “Hey… Devin’s weird behavior combined with his military gun fetish has me a little concerned”.

          • Ben in Oakland

            “Oh, out to worry. I have a gun, too.”

      • ChrisMorley

        ‘Kelley was court-martialed in November 2012 for assaulting his wife and their child.
        A judge sentenced him with a bad-conduct discharge, 12 months confinement, and two reductions in rank to basic airman, according to an appeals court decision in 2013’

        https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer

    • Ninja0980

      Mentally ill loser.

    • JackFknTwist

      Trump/turd now has said that if only there had been another person with a gun there the shooter could have been stopped.
      This is straight out of the NRA handbook.
      On this logic all should be armed.
      USA is still in its lawless wild west mentality.
      Instead of the risible ‘American Exceptionalism’ this shows that the USA has not progressed beyond its embryonic 1789 thinking of arms, militias , and every man for himself primitive societal concepts.

      And Trump/turd is a bought and sold little hollow man. But he has shown us what a business man without integrity looks like, an aspiring fascist dictator whose concept of the Rule of Law, Constitutional Rights are just tools for his personal manipulation.
      You have put the ultimate ignoramus in the White House……but then again Germany made a similar mistake.

      • don

        Hitler libel!!1

        • JackFknTwist

          ‘Libel’ ?……………………..a mere statement of the obvious.

      • Jason

        It’s a baptist church in rural texas…I’m relatively certain that someone else in that church had a gun on them.

  • Blake J Butler

    This is too much today, I’m off to pornhub.

    • FAEN

      You should make that a daily visit.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Like he doesn’t 😉

        • FAEN

          LOL-I know I do, I just assumed everyone else did as well 😉.

          • gaycuckhubby

            They do. They just don’t admit it 🙂

          • FAEN

            I see we’re still dealing with our Puritan roots. We need to kick those to the curb already.

          • Ninja0980

            I do as well.

      • Blake J Butler

        Shh. It’s self care on internship days and the days in between.

        • FAEN

          LOL-understood. 🤐

        • FAEN

          You mean every day 😉.

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      Enjoy your salad.

      • TheManicMechanic

        And what’s right in front of it. 😉

    • JCF

      My equivalent: Xena Podcast.

      • FAEN

        Atta girl!

    • RobynWatts

      My equivalent: Listening to old school 70s, 80s, & 90s Disco/Dance & R&B. Here’s hoping that tomorrow will be a better day for this country as a whole.

    • TrueWords

      I am in agreement…it is too much…I just finished having amazing sex with my husband and might have another go at it before dinner…

      • gaycuckhubby

        Lucky husband 😉

        • FAEN

          You’re married correct?

          • Adam King

            Better be, otherwise it’s a SIN.

          • FAEN

            But sinning is so fun.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Yes

          • FAEN

            Lucky husband 😊

          • gaycuckhubby

            Blushing

        • TrueWords

          thank you…but I am the one that is EXTREMELY lucky…

          • TampaDink

            Sounds to me that you are BOTH lucky.

          • TrueWords

            We are…thank you…he is reading The Economist and I am pursuing The Atlantic…we love to read real journalism and snuggle on the sofa in front of the fire…

          • TampaDink

            Romance….keep that alive for as long as you both shall live.

          • TrueWords

            AGREED…

            We are also listening to some good music…Lake Street Dive…so damn good….
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz5c-Gudc9g&index=3&list=PLZKVmugaKR1VbD9nxbxysIc2A1w2Ieprv

          • TrueWords

            Also check out Six Feet Under Soundtrack Volume 1 and 2

            AMAZING…

          • FAEN

            Amazing show and in my humble opinion the best ending to a series EVER!

          • TrueWords

            I can not think of the ending without calling my therapist…it was SO intensely poignant

          • FAEN

            Right? I remember watching it and just weeping. Heck we all were.

          • TrueWords

            I just love that damn show…one of the best portrayals of a gay relationship…so groundbreaking in so many ways…

            Mom (Ruth) was my favorite…she slowly came out of her shell…

          • FAEN

            YES! I never get tired of that show. Btw did you know that Peter Krause originally auditioned for the gay role?

          • Robin

            Agreed. The all-time best ending to a series. I tear up every time I see it.

          • TampaDink

            At this point in life, music triggers extreme emotions here….but I loved 6FU…..and will eventually take your advice.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Meanwhile, my husband and I are watching Bobs Burgers. Lol.
            Not quiet as highbrow 🙂

          • TrueWords

            I love his voice…since he is the voice of Archer…

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            Elitists!

          • Ray Taylor

            Much to enjoy when your young. I have to use a big magnifying glass to read The Atlantic.

      • FAEN

        Rub ut in why don’t you 😉

      • Ninja0980

        A man after my own heart.

      • Bad Tom

        See, there is some good news. 😉

  • FAEN

    Thoughts and prayers. That will solve everything 🙄.

    • David From Canada

      What are YOU doing to help solve this issue.

      • FAEN

        Snippy!! I don’t own guns and let my elected officials know how I feel about the issue. Problem is they are all owned by the NRA.

  • gaycuckhubby

    To clarify… he volunteered for a short time as a bible school teacher for young children in 2013. No update on how he identified his religion now.

    • Karl Dubhe

      And got a DD in 2014. I’m sure that’s correlation, not causation.

      • coram nobis

        Dishonorable discharges can only be imposed by general courts-martial (bad conduct discharges by lower courts-martial), so it was something serious.

        • Karl Dubhe

          It was my first thought, but I’m probably wrong.

          For some reason, I’m very curious to find out what it was.

        • JackFknTwist

          Humph !…….. I thought DD meant ‘Doctorate in Divinity’.

          Silly me !

          • coram nobis

            Gilbert & Sullivan mention that kind of DD now and then in their lyrics.

            Comes a bishop, maybe, or a solemn DD
            Beware of their anger provoking,
            Better not pull their hair, don’t stick pins in their chair,
            They don’t understand practical joking.
            If the jokes that you crack have an orthodox smack
            You may get a bland smile from those sages —
            But should they by chance be imported from France
            Half-a-crown is stopped out of your wages.

          • JackFknTwist

            And also mentioned in ‘The Pirates of Penzance’ !!

          • coram nobis

            Yes. “A Doctor of Divinity, who resides in this vicinity.”

          • JackFknTwist

            Hahaha….exactly !!

            Must be a gay thing hahaha.

          • David Walker

            “Conjugally matrimonified.” God, I love it.

          • Adam King

            A doctor, a doctor,
            a doctor, a doctor,
            a doctor, a doctor,
            a doctor, a doctor
            of………
            Divinity!

          • Treant

            I thought it was Dutch Dick. But men from the Netherlands can be really hot, so…

      • David Walker

        Since my brain was still with gaycuckhubby’s bible school thing, I thought your DD meant Doctor of Divinity. Then I got it. No correlation at all.

  • BeaverTales

    I think if things like this occurred on a daily basis, we’d still have a government that would avoid discussing gun control.

    • Ross

      Things like this DO occur on a daily basis.

  • Pollos Hermanos

    Welp. Off to troll Townhall and PJmedia since they all spent the day blaming Muslims and liberals

    • FAEN

      Their heads must explode when they come across liberal Muslims.

      • edrex

        if it was only that easy.

  • Dramphooey

    Here is a Twitter thread with some fool from Texas getting roasted. https://twitter.com/TexasTRex/status/925501937797271552

  • Jeffrey
  • greenmanTN

    It’s not like anyone is going to do anything about gun violence in this country so fuck it, let’s listen to music while we burn.

    https://youtu.be/me1xm8dduL4

    • JackFknTwist

      Oh my God, how I remember this song !!!

  • ErikDC

    If we were having attacks by Islamic terrorists every month that killed 10, 20, 50 Americans at a time, our government would be moving heaven and earth to stop it.

    But because the perpetrators are typically our own people? Thoughts and prayers are all they will offer.

    OUR GOVERNMENT IS COMPLICIT.

    • FAEN

      Morons

      Are

      Governing

      America

      I keep repeating that I know but fuck it’s true.

      • RoFaWh

        More like “morons are NOT governing America”

    • BobSF_94117

      You’re using the term “our people” loosely I assume.

      • ErikDC

        Yeah, American citizens.

  • shellback

    If guns are banned, only Sunday school teachers will have guns – or something like that.

  • ChrisInKansas

    If all those little kids were only packing.

    • Harveyrabbit

      Fox will blame the little kids for not rushing the shooter.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/09/fox-news-rush-gunman-active-shooter-situation_n_8762106.html

      “During a ‘Fox & Friends’ segment broadcast on Wednesday, Elisabeth Hasselbeck introduced a martial arts instructor who teaches children how to disarm an assailant.”

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        What angers me is that if someone fucked up their studio with a bunch of assault rifles, they’d be screaming for something to be done and they’d do it by saying “WE’RE valuable! WE’RE special. You have to do something because we’re the victims this time.”

        They’re like that horrible twist on protestors who secretly sneak into clinics when THEY need them.

  • melllt

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/80102dda7dba8f7584fd38ad5d95b5d104311a3083db0ea36e651553dc1b36ab.jpg

    So, I’ve spent some of my afternoon twitting reminders to those offering thoughts and prayers that faith without works means nothing.

    • JackFknTwist

      Ah, the old debate of the Reformation…..and that started endless wars of religion !
      Here we go again !

    • Karl Dubhe

      That lily in the field is working hard!

      Flower Power! 🙂

    • David From Canada

      People have died terribly and all you can do is blindly criticize in an anti-religious manner? You’re just as bad as the people who reviled gays during the AIDS crisis back in the day.

      • Karl Dubhe

        How many other posts here, which have a version of mocking the call for “thoughts and prayers” are you going to have a fit about?

        • David Walker

          David’s been pretty busy on this own. I don’t think he’s likely to make a good defense for his idea, but it’s sorry-fying that he tacks the maple leaf to his stuff.

          • Karl Dubhe

            IRL my first name’s Dave, so it’s doubly bad I say. 🙁

          • David Walker

            I’ll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Bits of advice that mum never gives you; avoid dating someone with your own first name – you’ll hate the name forevers after breakup. 🙂

          • Canadian Observer
      • NZArtist

        Sorry. Thoughts and prayers.
        More thoughts and prayers.
        Thoughts with additional prayers.
        Prayers without thought, but thought added later.
        More thoughts, and a prayer or two.
        Even more prayers.
        Another prayer, and one more thought. Also, a prayer.
        There. I’ve done *much* more than anyone else.
        Pay attention to *me* goddammit!

        • RJ Bone

          (you missed Thoughts and Prayers) 😉

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        So, you’re just mad people mention Jesus instead of people actually being dead.

      • NZArtist

        What we’re actually doing is community-building, mutual support, and reinforcing the idea that religion is ridicule-worthy to disempower the ability of religious whackos to recruit. It’s religion that empowers the US government to get officials elected who allow these travesties to continue.
        So, yeah, we’re working to stop this happening again.

      • Robincho

        Whoa there…

  • shellback
  • Stogiebear

    Bible school teacher
    Assault rifle
    Combat gear

    Why, that’s the NRA’s holy trinity!

    • don

      But NOT terrorism

  • He would not have been able to acquire that semi-automatic assault rifle nor fire that many rounds that fast had Republicans not allowed the assault weapons ban to elapse.

    And still nothing is done because…well, too many people are fine with “thoughts and prayers” being the only answer. I’ve even noticed it isn’t even ‘thoughts and prayers’ these mass murders stop happening. It’s just thinking nice thoughts about the victims’ families…until the reich-wing nut-jobs slither out of the woodwork to insist there was no mass murder and begin harassing the survivors and their families.

    Praying without taking entirely possible actions is nothing but pious hypocrisy.

    • David From Canada

      What action are you taking other than self righteous criticism?

      • Jonathan Smith

        Voting democrat.

      • As always after these things, I’m on the phone to my members of Congress. I also donate to gun-control organizations regularly.

        Some of us DO act. Don’t assume we don’t.

    • Paula

      Becca, that is not really how the assault weapons ban worked. All the weapons were still available as well as the magazines for them.
      For the AR-15s, They were not allowed to have flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, too many foreign made parts inside, or collapsible stocks. Such rifles that already existed were still allowed.
      The high capacity magazines were not allowed to be manufactured during the ban. The existing mags could be freely sold. Some of them sold for hundreds of dollars.
      Not much changed after it expired. Now, they are still producing those weapons. The number of companies producing AR-15s has soared in the last 5 years. The price has gotten cheaper. I think the affordability of the weapons is a major factor in the increase of mass shootings.

      Maybe all AR and AK style rifles need a $500 excise tax put on them.
      Just a suggestion. I don’t think they will abn them anytime soon.
      Don’t you know its to keep the goobermint out of our business!!! 🙁

        • Paula

          No, that article is entirely what I said. It had to do with the description of what was a target rifle. My AK was built during the ban period. It had to have a certain percentage of American made parts to be legal.
          The Columbine shooting happened with a weapon that was considered a assault weapon and later removed.

          Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
          Folding or telescoping stock
          Pistol grip
          Bayonet mount
          Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
          Grenade launcher
          Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
          Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
          Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
          Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
          Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
          A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

          This proliferation of ARs is in part I think to lower prices they can be bought for..
          During the ban, ARs usually for $700 +.
          Now, certain models can be had for $400.
          Ending the AWB of 1994 allowed for more manufacturers to go into business.
          The laws for manufacturers are very stringent, not stringent enough,it seems.
          Ending the ban made assault style weapons and accessories cheaper and more accessible.
          I think the mentality of the country changed after 9-11 and weapons sales increased.

          Edit to add: There needs to be a mental health check of some kind to purchase a weapon.

          • Jucifer

            AR 15 rifles had been constantly dropping in price since the late 80’s, so I doubt it was due to the AWB. It’s not like prior to the popular ArmaLite other long guns weren’t used though; during the 50’s and 60’s the most common guns used in crime and mass shootings were the M1 carbine and during the 70’s everyone was buying Mini 14 rifles but of course the prominent weapons used were .38 caliber revolvers, which even to this day are the most common gun in evidence lockers.

          • Paula

            During the AWB, the Minis were very popular. The ARs were more expensive back then. I bought a Mini because I couldn’t afford an AR.
            Patty Hearst had an M-1 carbine when arrested.
            Ending the AWB allowed many more companies to go into the business.
            If they would do a appropriate buyback or give a tax credit, I would turn mine in.

          • Jucifer

            The surge in popularity of the gun is arguably(and ironically) due to the AWB itself, and the consequent attempts at reintroducing the AWB. I recall that it was during Sandy Hook legislative fallout and the threat of a renewal that a thousand new AR makers came into the market when even the most basic AR were being pushed for $2000. If you look prior to this, the bulk of mass shootings were being committed with handguns(often multiple). Right now they are so cheap because the market has bottomed, and nearly a third of the AR makers of the post Sandy Hook scare are merging or going out of business.

          • Beverly J Jensen

            Look , we don’t need your BS bout how the gun works. You’re defending the gun and the shooter. That makes you a stupid low as the congressman and the NRA! Really! You are loathesome and disgusting!

          • Jucifer

            her BS is about how the gun laws work, so no it’s actually very relevant.

          • Paula

            I am not defending the guns or the shooter. Loathsome and disgusting? Wow, what a ray of sunshine.

          • ColdCountry

            Beverly, you don’t know Paula. We do, and I assure you, she knows what she’s talking about, and she is neither stupid, loathsome, nor disgusting. I suggest you are the one who doesn’t know what she’s talking about, so why not go away?

          • Grumpy Old Man

            I surely hope the grenade launcher attachment is banned on its own!

          • Paula

            They allowed it after the ban expired. Its no problem, though. It is cosmetic, nobody has the grenades.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            I feel so relieved :).

          • Steve Smith

            yet.

          • don

            Trouble is, many of these shooters were upstanding members of society- until they aren’t.

            The USA is too sick a society to have access to military-grade weapons.

      • don

        I don’t think a tax would matter…my ex-neighbor from 2 doors down had 32 guns, including FIVE AR’s…the last of which he bought right after Sandy Hook. And we lived in a white-bread, no-crime suburb.

        Gun fetish is a mental disease.

    • JCF
      • Galvestonian

        ..is that the ‘ Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch ‘ that he’s carrying ?

        “O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.” And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chunks of meat.. And the LORD spake, saying, “First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.”

        ARMAMENTS – 2:9 – 29

    • Buford

      Offering ‘prayers’ in response to a bunch of people being killed while sitting in their house of worship is not only useless to the point of being stupid, it’s maniacal.

  • edrex

    swords into plowshares..says nothing abt ar15’s.

  • djcoastermark

    “wore combat gear”. In other words, typical southern/texass go to meetin’ clothes.

    • SoCalGal20

      Daily Beast had something that said he was former Air Force.

      • Dramphooey

        Of all the services I think I’ve read the Air Force seems to be the most afflicted with religious nuts.

        • OdieDenCO

          roger that! being ex USAF i can confirm religiousness infects the fly boys. I had one guy argue, all the skull structures from Lucy forward could be found in the human population today to prove evolution did not exist. I just stared at him in total disbelief.

        • RJ Bone

          VERY true. At the point of absurdity, from what I’ve read.

    • RJ Bone

      He was obviously hunting *insert ridiculous excuse Texans use to justify their weapons* and needed the plate inserts and tactical gear 😛

      (I don’t know what he actually had – the defense of that shit is absurd)

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Hmm, … even this little dino can see a common thread!

    • Dramphooey

      And in Vegas we got to meet its friend the bump stock. “Bump stock? What’s a bump stock?” “It’s helps you shoot more rapidly.” “WE MUST SAVE THE BUMP STOCK FROM THE LIBERALS!”

      • KnownDonorDad

        *sales go through the roof* Ah, post-massacre blood money.

        • Paula

          They have probably sold out throughout the country.

          • Lizard

            Actually they did. All of the major manufactures sold out within a couples of days.

      • normadesmond

        I smell a game show pitch.

      • Todd20036

        All after the assault weapons ban expired.

      • Bad Tom

        Logarithmic decrease in interval (inverse exponential increase.)
        ——-
        We are so fucked.

      • don

        And none of it matters to the gun nuts/’right’ wing. 10 pre-schools could be murdered every DAY…and they’d still bleat ‘Second Amendment!!’

    • Jucifer

      It’s almost like the AR 15 was the most widely owned and popular rifle today. Also the Umpqua CC used several handguns, not an AR-15, the rifle he had was a 10/22 rifle, which is a squirrel hunting gun.

  • obarthelemy

    Trump seems to trigger lots of loonies. Is there an epidemic of “Trump shootings” ?

    • Number’s been going up, but there does seem to be a larger spate of mass murders lately.

      America itself seems to be cracking apart. IMHO, the last time we’ve seen this sort of escalating mass violence was during the backlash against Reconstruction.

      • coram nobis

        The Know-Nothing period, and then the Kansas troubles, also. 1850s.

    • Adam King

      Yes.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Perhaps… but I want to see facts and not go on feelings

      • djcoastermark

        Okay, here you go /s (with lyrics too! ) Uh oh, I.m in trouble now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrkVyXFsx6Y

        • David Walker

          You are an evil, adorable person. Let the ear worms begin!

        • gaycuckhubby

          🙂
          Btw. Nina Simone does a gorgeous cover of this!

          • djcoastermark

            Yes she does. Nina, love, aahh.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Im a bit obsessed with her

          • TuuxKabin

            She does a gorgeous cover of anything.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Agreed

  • SoCalGal20

    Uh oh. Lindseybelle wants Sessions to testify again. These assholes are going to make Sessions resign (which under any other circumstance he should) and then kill the Mueller investigation. Just watch.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/927312857372401664

    • Dramphooey

      Graham never stood a real chance in the primary. Was that fight a complete farce with the mobile number given out and all that? I hate conspiracy theories but does this go that deep?

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Lyndsey belle likes it deep 💪

    • JCF
    • Cuberly Deux

      He’s a scumbag but not sure he should be kicked out.

    • canoebum

      If Sessions is forced out his replacement will have to be confirmed by the Senate. After all the lies they’ve heard so far from Trump appointees, it is unlikely they’d confirm someone who would come into office and just shut Mueller down. Besides, the Congress can re-appoint Director Mueller themselves and ask him to continue his work. Trump has fewer friends on Capital Hill every day.

    • Robincho

      Franklin Graham and Lindsey Graham? These names is driving me crackers… Oh, wait…

    • Bad Tom

      They won’t succeed in shutting down the Mueller investigation.

  • MikeBx2

    Imagine believing in a god who only shows up after a madman slaughters innocent people including children. “God be with them” is far more offensive and meaningless than “thoughts and prayers” in my opinion.

    • JackFknTwist

      They are quite comfortable with that God.

      That is the same genocidal God who killed the population of the planet ( except for 8 people ) by sending a Flood.

      • Karl Dubhe

        And who hardened the heart of Pharaoh to the suffering of Moses’s minions. Then made them wander for ages before he let the guy see where they were going before he died.

        God’s a hell of an asshole.

        • OdieDenCO

          but that generation was naughty and had to die.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Like every other generation… 🙂

      • RJ Bone

        There’s always Richard Dawkins and Dan Barker, in cases like this 🙂

        (God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction)

  • jimbo65

    We all know the refrain, “now’s not the time to talk about …..”

    • djcoastermark

      I really hate that song.

  • obarthelemy

    I’ve been utterly convinced by the constitutional purists / gun advocates. We must go back to literal text and original intent of the constitution. Also, guns are good and make us safe. So,

    – “people” meant at least those able to fight ie join the army ie 16 year olds, 15 with parental authorization. Let’s restore the right to bear arms to that age, anything else is the nanny state oppressing its people, and untrue to the god-inspired all-seeing geniuses who wrote the constitution. I’m unsure whether blacks (sorry for not using the appropriate period term) should count as people in that context.
    – “arms” clearly meant whatever arms the government’s police and military use, since the goal is for the people to be able to resist those. So military, assault, full automatic, bazookas,… are of course OK, otherwise the people are basically bringing a sword to a gunfight, the founding fathers would be appalled at such an imbalance. With the current limitations, the people have 0 chance of resisting the army or even just the police.
    – the constitution says nothing about mandatory classes, checks, bans for felons and domestic offenders etc ….so clearly those are legislative overreach and must go.

    Actually, because guns make the world so much safer, I think we should fully realize the intent of the founding fathers and give a fully-auto rifle to everyone for their 16th bday. That way we’ll all be very safe.

    • Macbill

      I think I should be able to purchase a Surface-to-Air-Missle (SAM) even though I live near a large airport.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        What could possibly go wrong?

      • obarthelemy

        *Because* you live near a large airport. Got to fight those chemtrails !

    • Megrim Twist
    • another_steve

      So there’s a middle ground in the gun debate. To find the optimum answer to any human dilemma, seek out, always, the middle ground.

      Human self-defense is in keeping with the way of nature. All species self-defend. Self-defense is the Way of Things.

      How best to be fully human and not tread over the line, therefore? How do a civilized people navigate the line?

      Stay tuned.

      • obarthelemy

        Would be more convincing if guns grew on trees. Since they don’t and are man-made, maybe man’s Law of Reason should apply, not a supposed law of nature (that also says if you can grab a girl it’s OK to mate w/ her ?).
        As for compromise being the natural and wise solution to everything… shuuuure, let’s compromise on “I want all your stuff, and to kill you” (which I don’t obviously, this is for argument’s sake). So I get half your stuff, an arm and a leg ?

        • another_steve

          Reason over instinct. Over lust. That’s key, imo.

          My urges, my lusts – yours too – are perfectly okay. “Normal.” Nothing you and I fantasize about or lust after is “bad” or “evil.”

          Our fantasies and lusts may not be optimal to species survival, however.

          Sometimes we must suppress / not act upon them in the interest of species continuance.

  • JCF

    Drumpf just opened w a joke. Then said someone was doing a tremendous job. Now…it’s time for Thoughts & Prayers! [At least the sound is cutting out. ]

  • David Walker

    One of the musicals I felt good about designing the sound and running the board for was “Assassins.” One of the few shows that attracted some crazies outside the theater. Of course, they never saw it…just assumed it was about taking away everybody’s guns. There was one song fairly near the beginning that I especially liked because of that assassin’s outlook:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HlQja4HrVo

    • Mikey

      this is one Sondheim show I really don’t know.. and hearing this song I can’t help but identify it as pure Sondheim.
      Thanks for posting, despite the sad circumstances.

      • David Walker

        It’s worth your time. And since no one has much of that anymore, at least listen to the scene near the beginning with John Wilkes Booth and near the end with Lee Harvey Oswald.

        • paganguy

          I’ve been lucky enough to see several productions and they were all great. (Though no one has been able to touch Debra Monk’s turn as Sara Jane Moore.) A disturbing, thought-provoking and wonderful show.

    • TampaDink

      One of my favorites….I hope that Stephen Sondheim stays around to do an updated version….because I think it is likely that one of the heavily armed trump fans will take care of our international problem. I’m not hoping for or wishing for that….just a gut feeling. I do not want him to be elevated to martyrdom.

  • Even if there were no more mass shootings this year there still would be at least one mass shooting per day in 2017. This has become a daily problem.

    https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data

  • MBear

    BAN RELIGION

    • RoFaWh

      Ban all campaign contributions except those by actual human beings. Likewise gifts to politicians.

  • SoCalGal20

    PSA: Waffle House just gave a $20k donation to Gillespie.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Never ate there, never will.

      • OdieDenCO

        sometimes is a choice between truck stop sushi or waffles.

        • Karl Dubhe

          Coleman stove, a pan, water and pre-mix. 🙂

      • Dayglo

        It’s a great drunk restaurant … don’t arrive before 2 a.m. and be prepared to fight. Lots of drama. Half the videos on YouTube are of Waffle House brawls. People dressed in their after hours club finery. Anthony Bourdain enjoyed the waffles there … and how long have Bourdain and Asia Argento been an item?

    • greenmanTN

      Well, Sarah Huckabee Sanders IS their best waitress after all…

      • Really? Then why is Table 6 STILL waiting for their blueberry pancakes and rye toast?

        • greenmanTN

          They were uppity when they asked for it, that’s why!

      • Lazycrockett

        She tells you it decaf when you know that the brown top means regular.

        • greenmanTN

          Only if your skin is darker than a paper grocery bag.

    • djcoastermark
    • Lazycrockett

      Isn’t it kinda late to be donating to a campaign when the election is tuesday?

      • SoCalGal20

        Apparently not for Waffle House!

      • BobSF_94117

        They’ve become general slush funds for use at any time.

  • Leo
  • JWC

    All the platitudes and cute poignant memes do nothing This is a major problem in the US that has to stop. You are being held hostage by special interest groups with lots of money using outdated laws to advance their agenda at your expense Today , maybe none of your friends were harmed and you knew none of the victims or maybe you were front and center and knew them all. Either way, it’s no longer good enuff to sit on your hands and look down at your feet and offer your prayers and thoughts. Thats what your government is doing ,ducking the situation and praying it goes away.Well it won’t and America’s dirty little secret will happen again and again and again. The pro arguements for owning guns are growing thin and threadbare.Its time , if not the gutless government , then the people for who the govenment works, to stand up and say ENOUGH. NO more innocents have to die to prove this. Wayne LaPiere and the NRA should be treated as the terrorist advocates that they are. The false images and ideas they perpetrate as reasons for owning guns should be shown as false. The ones who manifest their rights to own guns should show just cause. America the time has come to ask “if this is not my country then who does it belong to”

    • TampaDink

      This is so true. Sad…but true. Additionally, my friend, I wanted to let you know that we are also being held hostage by our alleged buyers. After cancelling the first contract…and renegotiating a 2nd one (for the same price because I refuse to go any lower) they verbally backed out last Monday but have still never signed a cancellation of contract form…which would give us their earnest money. We cannot entertain any other offers while we are under contract….but they can pull the plug at any time up until our scheduled closing date…3 weeks from tomorrow.

      • SoCalGal20

        That’s bullshit. WTF?! Is that shitty Florida law?

        • TampaDink

          I know! My man thinks that we should walk away from these clowns….but….they could turn around & sue us for breach of contract.

      • JWC

        Why are they playing the asshole game , you have bargained in good faith all along Now for my news 11/07/17 I go in for my second knee transpant operation so after tomorrow I won’t be here till may Friday or Sat

        • TampaDink

          We fully believe that they are fucking with us…because they do not want to give us their earnest money but allegedly one of the partners backed out because of our alleged serial killer. The 2nd offer was not even written until 6 days after the third unsolved murder…and there have been no more since. This shit is maddening!
          I hope that your knee job goes as well (if not better) than the last one.

          • JWC

            what has serial killers got to do with the selling of your home Left knee was great now the right

          • TampaDink

            The serial killer…who the police are still not completely certain that the 3 shootings are related…was the excuse that the buyer gave when they orally but not legally backed out last Monday….after making us wait for 5 days after I signed their second contract. They had a 3 day grace period when they wrote their first offer….and backed out on day 3.

          • JWC

            so did you guys fo to Tala or was that forestalled

          • TampaDink

            We went up last Sunday….had an appointment on Monday afternoon with our agent up there….and then on Monday morning our Tampa agent called to tell us that the buyers were backing out. But…they still have yet to submit the official documents that would cancel the contract…and their agent has still not deposited the earnest money. The excuse of the alleged serial killer has since been painted over by their agent who says that they just don’t want to pay the twice agreed upon price.

          • TampaDink

            We went up last Sunday…home again on Wednesday. We did look at one house…it would work for us although we’d prefer everything being on one level.

          • JWC

            Well hold onto that this week for as ruff as it was had past better news,let’s hope next week

          • TampaDink

            Thanks….we’re trying to focus on the future…and even if this current deal does fall through, there will be another offer eventually. I’m going to have to hit the sack….I was awake all night last night…stress, grieving & binge watching Atypical on Netflix….a great series but it also kicked my ass since the family has two kids…both sharing the same names as our last two pups, Sam & Casey…and Sam is obsessed with penguins like my late nephew was. Too many feelings…too much bourbon….a half of a box of tissues. Talk to you again soon.

          • JWC

            Sleep well Denis and thanx for the new contact

          • TampaDink

            I shall try…hope that you sleep well too. I’ll be in touch.

          • TuuxKabin

            Hope the right knee’s as great as the left. Where do you rehab? In hospital PT or rehab facility, or at home?

          • JWC

            The operation is in Victoria at the Royal Jubilee Hospital then the therapy at the Sannich Peninsular hospital (much closer) and at home for 4-5 weeks

          • TampaDink

            I hope that your recovery will be speedy…and that you’ll be able to post here during that time frame.

          • JWC

            The surgery is Tues they usually kick you out in 2-3 days so I should be home Friday and on here 20 mins after my shower the last time I did this I felt so grubby. Want to also say Denis I am so sorry to hear of your real estate debacle You guys really don’t need this shit

          • TampaDink

            Thank you John. Between the real estate bullshit & losing our boy this past week, we are genuinely gutted. Regarding your recovery plans….that’s the spirit! Of course, I may be scarce here in the coming weeks as we will try to make ourselves busy with the long overdue purge of stuff that we should not move….IF the sale goes through. As Rachel says…”watch this space”.

          • JWC

            You lost Sammy???

          • TampaDink

            Yes. I thought that you’d seen my tragic off topic post a couple of days ago. He was his typical energetic self when we went up to Tally last Sunday. On Monday morning he & I went with my brother & their dog, Pebbles, to the nearby greenway trails for a very long walk. It was still in the low 40’s when we got back. Then we got the call from our Tampa agent, telling us that our prospective buyers were backing out of the contract…but that we would get their earnest money. Even so, we did meet with the agent up there to view one of the houses that we might be interested in…since she’d already cleared her schedule for us. Sam’s appetite was fine on Monday night….but during the night, he got sick. On Tuesday morning, he had no interest in eating….or even getting up off of his bed. I took him outside around 11 against his will….and he immediately went back to bed. We’d planned to come home that day but instead took the boy to an emergency vet clinic. The results of the blood work & imaging showed that he had a large mass (8 cm.) in his abdomen that was bleeding. The prognosis was grim…even if he’d have survived surgery. So we stayed another night, came back to Tampa on Wed. & made an appointment with our vet en route….so we didn’t bring him home…went directly to the vet clinic…and said our very sad goodbyes. He had not eaten since Monday night and had zero energy….it was an awful choice to make but we believe that it was the right thing for our beloved boy. Tomorrow our loaner dog’s humans return from Vietnam….and when Taffy goes home, we will be without a dog for the first time since 1990. We’ve decided to wait until we move & get settled to begin a new chapter with another fur baby.

          • JWC

            I am always on the lookout w your messages and the last I heard you were planning Tala and that was the last So so very sorry to hear of your poor doggy and your loss The second dad news of last week

          • TampaDink

            I’m still not getting email alerts from Disqus….so I certainly understand how you’d have missed my Wednesday night off topic comments….and I had so many kind replies…and thought that yours was among them. I tried to respond to each one but it got overwhelming.

          • JWC

            You want a hotmail email?

          • TampaDink

            That would be great….I’m going to have to establish a new email address since my current one is provided by our local phone/internet/cable provider. If you feel comfortable posting your contact info here, you can edit/delete that as soon as I respond that I’ve received it.

          • JWC
          • TampaDink

            Got it….thanks! I’ll send a test email just to confirm that I got it right.

          • JWC

            Ok good

          • TampaDink

            email sent

          • JWC

            recieved and responded

          • TampaDink

            Your reply hasn’t showed up yet. Odd.

          • JWC

            Always good to have a secondary contact

          • TampaDink

            So true.

          • JWC

            You and vorpal are now Hotmail buds

          • TampaDink

            It is good to know that I am in good company.

          • JWC

            Resending reply now see if that works

          • TampaDink

            It worked.

          • TampaDink

            Nice wheels!

          • JWC

            Good thanx knew you couldn’t miss that

          • TampaDink

            I’m usually good with identifying classic cars but I’m flummoxed tonight.

          • JWC

            Flummoxed you say oh dear it’s a 58 Chevy Impala 59 yo and I have owned her for 39

          • TampaDink

            Wow. I am impressed, she is beautiful!

          • JWC

            A wee respite from your week from hell

          • TampaDink

            I so appreciate any lovely distraction….and this has been an absolutely wretched week.

          • JWC

            Did Sammy ingest poison on your walk

          • TampaDink

            Not likely….the tumor that we were shown on his xray was so large that it had apparently been growing for some time but it had begun to hemorrhage.

          • JWC

            Yikes again Denis I am so sorry for your loss I think I grieve for animals more than I do some humans

          • JWC

            Oh I will be taking my Surface pro upstairs my iPhone and a landline already

          • TampaDink

            Excellent!

          • TuuxKabin

            From the previous replacement, the left knee. How soon were you using stairs? We live in a five floor walk up and I’ll have to go in for the carpentry one day . . . the stairs will be impossible, initially . . . ‘Royal Jubilee Hospital, makes me want to check in. Such a festive name. Good luck with it. Hurry on back. I’ll be looking for ya’.

          • JWC

            I have mastered stairs good leg first going up operated leg first down and a firm grip

          • JWC

            For some reason the hospitals in BC are called Royal and Jubilee is some anniversary

          • JWC

            Two days in the hospital. They start you on minor therapy in the hospital. As soon as I got home I was doing stairs (14 steps) going up good leg on first step haul stiff leg to that step and repeat hanging on to the rail Coming down reverse Stiff leg first then good leg to that step and repeat It gets better daily

          • TuuxKabin

            Well, all the best with the procedures. On bad days I go up and down the stairs as you describe, all 74 of them. Just returned from MRI of left knee. Most problematic. Heal well.

          • JWC

            will be in touch in a few days

          • JWC

            when(what date) is your surgery

          • TuuxKabin

            Not scheduled. MRI was to determine what to do about the Baker’s cyst that bedevils me so. Drained it in July. Three weeks ago. Filled back up. From 1 to 10 scale of pain. It’s been a 23. Oxycodene only makes me not give a flying ‘F’, but that’s not the problem, well it’s part of it. I’m pretty much bone on bone, and arthritic from the knees down to the tip of my toes. After draining the cyst I had three weeks of weekly oil change to the knees, injections of some kind of saline solution, fake synovial fluid. The Saw Doctor wants to do cortisone injections next, localized. Followed by the rooster’s comb gel. Within two years or less I’d then be getting the carpentry of replacements. Are you in hospital now?

          • JWC

            I go in tomorrow 24 hours from now it should be over and I will be stoned and comming down from la la land

          • TuuxKabin

            Hmmm, send photos from la la land. Good luck with it.

          • JWC

            will try to

          • JWC

            what legal recourse do you have

          • TampaDink

            Apparently none….until the 27th. If they fail to close we will definitely get their 2 grand…which isn’t much considering the state of uncertainty we’re living in until that date.

          • JWC

            the breach of contract is also I assume hinged on the 27th

          • TampaDink

            It is….but *if* they go through with the purchase, we have to have moved out by the time we sign the closing papers.

          • JWC

            They are giving you no choices

  • David From Canada

    I remember a few years ago that an anti-abortion extremist in the USA went into a church with a gun and shot and killed a doctor who worked in an abortion clinic, this all taking place in front of the congregation.
    Sadly enough it’s getting very dangerous to escape guns and shootings in any facet of America. It’s getting to be like a war zone.

    • OdieDenCO

      have you seen our police force? the nra and their bought lackeys in congress are arming one side the local government is arming the other and we are caught in the middle

    • JackFknTwist

      Travel Advisory :

      To all Citizens of the World:

      Do not travel to the USA until further notice. A current state of latent Civil War exists between ideological fascists and their uneducated enablers on the one hand, and the liberal progressive educated classes on the other.
      Mass shootings are being experienced against a volatile background of compromised government authority.

      Citizens are advised to avoid travel to the USA , unless like me, they have a beautiful USA boyfriend, and are totally bereft without him.
      – ‘quite melted into tears for thee’.

      • Hue-Man

        With the number of Canadians murdered and injured in Las Vegas, Canada might want to revise this advice.

        The possession of firearms and the frequency of violent crime are generally more prevalent in the U.S. than in Canada. Within large metropolitan areas, violent crime more commonly occurs in economically disadvantaged neighbourhoods, particularly from dusk to dawn, and often involves alcohol and/or drug consumption. Incidents of violent crime are mainly perpetrated by gangs or members of organized crime groups. Incidents of mass shooting receive a lot of media attention, yet account for a very small percentage of all homicide deaths in the country. The likelihood of a tourist being a victim of such an incident remains low. While violent crime rarely affects tourists, be mindful of your surroundings, particularly at night. Verify official neighbourhood crime statistics before planning an outing. If you are threatened by robbers, stay calm and do not resist.

        https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states

    • Lazycrockett

      churches, malls, theaters, walmarts, concerts, being outside.

  • Kevin Perez

    I think we should start sending thoughts and prayers because clearly, the 25 dead people in that church didn’t know how to do it the right way.

  • Macbill

    Why are these losers so full of hate that they’d kill strangers to feel avenged?

    • David Walker

      God probably told him to.

  • Leo
  • RoFaWh

    The “combat gear” he wore (presumably camo-pattern fatigues) leads to the conclusion that he was acting out violent militaristic fantasies.

    Was the congregation predominately black by any chance?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      No, … that town is lily-white.

      • MBear

        Lily white nutjob on lily white nutjob crime

  • RJ Bone

    He could have walked right through that entire town and no one could legally stop him with force of law unless he looked suspicious. And it’s Texas – unless we’re talking anything other than basic camo and a few pouches, he could just as well be, I don’t know, what do Texans claim they hunt to justify their… weapons?

    Point being. Who would stop him that could matter?

    • Jeff Chang

      “Point being. Who would stop him that could matter?”
      An Armed Citizen:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYd2kIZxk4

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        And that armed citizen would be tried for murder, having shot a legally-armed individual walking down Main Street, minding his own business.
        If law enforcement can’t legally interfere with his gun rights, how can a private citizen?
        I shall refrain from calling you names.

        • RJ Bone

          Don’t forget that the mystical Good Guy With A Gun can anticipate the actions of the Bad Guy With A Gun, somehow, and shoot him before 26 people in a church are shot dead. The problem here is that there weren’t enough Good Guys With Guns, obviously!

          Quick, give EVERYONE a gun with almost no training required to own one! Kids too, since the guns will have silencers so that they don’t hurt their ears.

      • Robincho

        “I didn’t recognize him, but he was a member of the community…”

        Da fuq?…

        • BobSF_94117

          I think that translates to “I’ve seen him around but don’t know his name”.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        The armed citizens stopped him a few minutes too late, no?

      • MBear

        If the tip of your shoe lace becomes frayed snip off the frayed end.Then paint or dip the end of the shoe lace into clear nail polish and let it dry. Good as new.

  • Dave B

    “Mass shooting in US checklist”:
    1. Send thoughts & prayers but not actually do anything useful✔
    2. Argue over semantics of the term “assault rifle”✔
    3. Trolls blame either the Left or the Right✔
    4. Argue over semantics of the term “terrorist” – if Muslim use it, if Christian use term “mentally ill” ✔
    5. Media goes berserk until attention is diverted by next horrible story✔
    6. Congress does nothing but NRA increases donations just in case ✔
    7. Wait for next one, repeat✔

    • JCF

      8. Gun sales (esp whichever model of gun used in shooting) soar.

    • NZArtist

      THE. USA. IS. RUN. BY. PSYCHOPATHS.

  • David Walker

    Can’t deal with it anymore. Time for music. See all y’all tomorrow.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • 2guysnamedjoe

      So, his alleged FB likes are somehow an argument against rational gun safety legislation?

    • Yet Another Alex

      I went to the Heavy.com site to find the article, here: http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/

      Guess what, the image in the tweet was nowhere in that article. Probably pieced together in an image editing program.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        I never thought a gun control opponent would be capable of such chicanery.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Hell, they can’t even spell chicanery, let alone be up to it.

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            Chick-anery. That’s Chick-fil-A’s new competitor, right?

          • Snarkaholic

            But it’s a great salad ingredient!

      • Yet Another Alex

        I just re-looked at the image again. Somebody could have just gone to somebody else’s facebook likes page, and then wrote in Devin Kelley in the search bar and took the screen capture. Much easier than the piecing together I first said.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Exactly.

    • RJ Bone

      The atheist groups? I’m thinking he Liked to troll. The atheist groups I’m a part of see people trying to save our souls daily, at least.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Yup, speaking as a fellow rationalist, I see them constantly. Especially given his being a Bible Study Teacher…it’s like “HELLO, fanatical Christer who likes to troll atheists”

        • RJ Bone

          It’s like they think their god is keeping score, or something 😛 It’s not like they get extra (any) kudos/wingbumps/virgins if they pass the Minimum Soul Threshold ™ or something.

          • RJ Bone

            Is it a “You must save this many souls to ride” thing, perhaps?

            (yes, this is all absurd. But, frankly, having been among and part of them, they are QUITE absurd and I’m grateful to be awake (mostly) now)

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            I picture them having some kind of loyalty card: “Troll all top 10 atheist and win a plenary indulgence!”

          • RJ Bone

            Brilliant 😀

    • Treant

      They should have taken his guns away the instant he Liked a psychic.

  • Friday’s_cat

    It’s reported he had a dishonorable discharge from the air force. That should be a disqualification for owning a gun. Same for any kind of assault charge or PFA.

    • djcoastermark

      Sing along now, But it’s Texass……

      • Treant

        Texas has a statehouse in it,
        God have mercy on our souls!

  • Willys41

    Nobody cares. Why even bother reporting stories like this? Nothing’s going to change.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Treant

      Yep. Get used to it, they’ll keep trying to one-up the last one. And with the current climate, there’s not a thing we’ll ever bother doing about it.

    • JCF

      Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

      That’s why I’m suggesting *non-violent direct action*. It’s what you do to BREAK THROUGH the “impossible” (just ask black people circa 1955 about this).

      What if a bunch of non-violent activists were determined to SHUT DOWN a gun show? (Blockade gates, sit-in the facility) What would happen? How about we find out?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d81cea04fdd128bda6d6dbb85bde86a9f74085ae4c338e1ca44a3c472b61bab5.jpg

  • MikeBx2
    • gaycuckhubby

      I thought only weak, intellectually stunted, hypocritical, mean people call on the invisible sky monster

      Edit. I sounded like a jerk 🙁
      Obama is a great inspiration to me and an example (for me) that religion can be used for good. And I’m not fond of kneejerk reactions against all people of faith even though I’m a proud agnostic

    • I love dim sum

      Ugh, Obama needs to stuff it……he did absolutely nothing on gun control, in fact the mass shootings got worse when he was around. He needs to go back to giving million dollar speeches to his Goldman Sachs donors.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Well, I know I won’t be voting for him against Bernie in the 2020 primaries!

      • leastyebejudged

        I’m not at all surprised that an example of real leadership would be offensive to you.

        • I love dim sum

          I regret that I voted for him twice, he turned out to be a total fraud, that had a pretty face, and spoke ‘nice’.

      • BobSF_94117

        I can’t believe I didn’t do this a long time ago.

      • don

        You really think he could have gotten fuck-all done re corralling gun nuts? In this political climate? Hell, he couldn’t even get a centrist USSC judge benched!

    • JCF
    • The difference between trumP’s statement and that from Obama is so telling.
      Obama demonstrates intelligence and compassion. Dolt45 not so much…

      “May God be w/ the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI & law enforcement are on the scene. I am monitoring the situation from Japan.”

      trumP just has to say “I” as much as he can, doesn’t use entire words when in this case especially he shouldn’t use twitterese, brings up law and order yet again…somebody is just itching to declare martial law!

  • greenmanTN

    The new Cold War is between sanity and insanity and the GOP bears most of the responsibility for this because for decades they’ve encouraged this thinking to draw votes. It isn’t no longer a political party, it’s a societal illness.

    https://youtu.be/lqmORiHNtN4

    • perversatile

      I will go full-on teenage fan girl for Janelle Monae at the tiniest provocation-
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgbzNHVg0c

      • greenmanTN

        Me too! I love that video. I would *so* watch a Janelle Monette remake/restyling of Metropolis.

        https://youtu.be/tSFNP8HnjrA

        • perversatile

          Janelle Monáe: ”Tiny & Mighty”-American Vogue April 2010
          I have yet to hear a better summation than “Tiny & Mighty”

  • andrew

    Of course these right wing conservative, NRA owned, politicians will offer their “thoughts and prayers.” and will do nothing to require background checks and serious restrictions on the kinds of guns and ammo people can purchase.

    • leastyebejudged

      andrew, look up the graphic that shows how many gun stores there are in the usa compared to starbucks, and THEN get back to me on just HOW the fuck YOU plan to accomplish ANY regulation.

      I’m just saying that a lot of you don’t seem to understand WHAT the USA even IS.

  • Lazycrockett
    • TampaDink

      Clearly is a brown person…inspired by ISIS.

      • DaddyRay

        An albino mooslum

        • safari

          It’s the beard.

          • JohnJay

            If he wiped that smudge of a stache off, he’d look Amish.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Somewhat. The haircut is off. But the beard, yea, the mentality: no. The Amish have issues. Shooting shitloads of people isn’t one of them.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I remember one of the first major school shootings happened at an Amish school. A non-amish guy seperated the girls and boys and shot the girls execution style before killing himsrlf.
            The Amish families gave a good portion of donated money to the shooters widow and young children

        • Blake J Butler
          • DaddyRay

            That is a classic

        • TampaDink

          Apparently so!

    • Dayglo

      You’d never suspect he’s a Texan.

      • JCF

        It’s the pig nose.

    • leastyebejudged

      I blame all that shitty fried food people down there eat.

  • Henry Auvil

    I can’t even snark over this. It’s too tragic and the solutions are too obvious, but will never be enacted. Well-played NRA and all your craven members of “congress”.

  • I love dim sum

    I hope the media is declaring him to be a Christian terrorist. Because that what he is.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    It’s sad that’s I can’t stand what this country has become. The news is so awful I am watching horrible Hallmark Christmas movies. Don’t tell me nothing is going to change. It is. It’s getting worse.

    • Treant

      Investigation Discovery and a lot of classic MeTV here.

  • MikeBx2

    When families of victims of Sandy Hook started talking sensible gun control, the GOP attacked them and any others who joined them. Is that “leaving their side”?
    https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/927332635545804800

    • Lazycrockett

      Oh as soon as one of them speaks out he will “gold star family” them.

      • DaddyRay

        In a heartbeat

    • JWC

      hey you dumb shit if prayers were to help then they should have been a forethought not an after thought

    • BobSF_94117

      Yeah, Trump’ll be right there when the mortgage is due, the hospital bills are piling up, the babysitter needs to get paid. Yeah, that’ll happen.

    • Barry William Teske

      Like I said.
      This person aka #45.
      Not the top of the HATE pyramid.
      Just following HATE’s orders.
      Hope it hurts him deeply to know he too can be under the bus fodder.

  • safari

    My cousin who married the wanna-be pastor won’t get her child vaccinated.

    But, hey, he went to Texas this week and left her a loaded shotgun she is to keep next to her bed.

    • DaddyRay

      Shotguns are very effective against chickenpox

    • Treant

      So you’re saying the household contains two loaded guns, waiting to go off.

      I’m 48. I still keep my vaccinations up to date (I’m due for tetanus, and a whooping cough update in 2 years).

      • DaddyRay

        Yeah but you are fine with Government mind control

        • Silver Badger

          Are you sure? He’s only 48. That’s two years shy of rationality.

          • DaddyRay

            Shhh

        • Treant

          Where would I be without my inoculation-injected nanobots telling me what to do?

          • Silver Badger

            My gentleman friend is terrified of vaccinations for that very reason. He never met a conspiracy theory he didn’t believe and is sure the government has a death ray with his name on it.

          • Treant

            Oh, lord. I must be brimming with them. I keep my TDaP updated every five years, plus other updates or additions as recommended by my doctor.

            You’d best warn him that I might be able to infect him with nanobots just by touching him.

          • Silver Badger

            I try to keep his mouth full while we’re together. It is much simpler that way. I strongly believe in vaccinations and keep my as up to date as possible. I’m still trying to get my doctor to give me a current smallpox vaccination, but so far he has resisted.

          • Treant

            There are some potentially severe side effects. And I hear that the vaccination itself is not as easy as most others…

          • Silver Badger

            I lived through mass Smallpox vaccinations twice. Once in Nebraska and once in Denver. It ain’t as easy as polio vaccine, but it’s doable.

      • Karl Dubhe

        Wait, we’re supposed to get updates of vaccines?

        Oh. Well…

        • Silver Badger

          Yep. Gotta keep those vaccinations up to date. They keep your immune system sharp.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Well, I’ll talk to the doc about it. Lessee, I think I had a vaccine last in about 1986…

          • Silver Badger

            Excellent idea. Plan on a few sick days, but well worth the pain.

        • Treant

          It can be done at any time. Talk to your family doctor, who can (depending on age and other considerations) update you, probably all at once.

      • Gretchen

        Whooping cough is no joke. I was scheduled for the vaccine on a Tuesday and diagnosed with Whooping cough the Friday before. I can’t even imagine having it as a kid.

        • Treant

          My father–nicknamed “Big Chief One Lung”–had to have his updated regularly. The Amish, not far south of us, regularly have epidemics that now spread further every time due to the general population not vaccinating as much.

          Me (“Little Chief Bad Heart”) continues the tradition.

      • Hue-Man

        Got my flu shot Tuesday of last week. Apparently, there are two versions – one with 3 flu strains and one with 4. There’s concern that the 3-strain doesn’t protect against the most likely bugs we’ll see this winter (based on Southern Hemisphere experience). And the likely strains are supposed to be nasty.

        Even more reason for the development of a “universal” flu vaccine rather than trying to guess what will be circulating during flu season.

        • Treant

          Universal flu shots would be a nightmare; a full antigen shift would mean it could very well saunter right past the immunization and make you very, very sick.

          I think I had the trivalent this year, but I don’t actually know. I got mine in very late August, so it’s been a while!

    • Chucktech

      I hope the local authorities keep her kid out of school until she does.

      • JCF

        CPS. I’m serious. [And the loaded shotgun next to the bed just adds to the grounds for child-removal.]

  • Blake J Butler
    • don

      Depressingly accurate…

  • Oh, Parker

    Thoughts and prayers.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • BobSF_94117

      Step away from the Twitter.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Nope, not until the husbotter gets home. Until then, I shall indulge my one guilty pleasure, fucking around with conservatives.

        • BobSF_94117

          Well, at least take a deep breath before saying stupid things like “Reagan, though his biases were benign”. I can think of several hundred thousand dead gay men who might think otherwise.

          • Silver Badger

            You gotta point. Reagan went senile because he couldn’t live with the guilt anymore.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Honey, I was being facetious, seriously, get a grip. And FYI don’t ever fucking question my motivations where Reagan is concerned or how he and the religious fucking right murdered by proxy….ever. Tread very, very carefully on this subject with me.

            Ok, now I’m pissed off because of this insinuation…I’m done.

          • Lazycrockett

            He’s still upset bout Kevin Spacey.

          • BobSF_94117

            You’re right. I am. Though you’re too dim to understand why. Bye.

        • SoCalGal20

          You need to go after Cernovich.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Oh, I did, but truth be told, it was too easy…I actually found myself rolling my eyes so much, my brain couldn’t be bothered shifting into gear. Simply put, the man’s such a moron, there’s challenge.

    • Lazycrockett

      Like the use of the word “cotton” ties nicely into the history of slavery.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Yup. Whenever I can, I try to use words or juxtaposed phrasing to tie in salient or prescient points. It drives them nuts.

    • Barry William Teske

      Thank you.

    • Steverino

      I love it when you get on a roll, Jon!

  • Puck

    He is white so he can’t possibly be a terrorist!

  • vtdave

    So his whiteness must mean this wasn’t a terrorist attack?

    • Natty Enquirer

      Nope, he just “snapped.”

      • OdieDenCO

        teaching bible school is stressful

  • DaddyRay
    • greenmanTN

      Sadly accurate. 1/3 of the country is basically Ernest T. Bass.

  • Sam_Handwich

    it’s still unclear as to which Waffle House he was radicalized in.

    • safari

      Oh, Waffle House.

  • Jamie Brewer

    I rewatched the movie “Longtime Companion” the other day. One of the lines in refrence to the AIDS crisis was, “This is the worst thing we will ever live through.” Surviving those horrible years I pretty much thought the same thing. Since the innaguration of the orange turd I’m afraid I was wrong. The feelings of hopelessness and dispair have returned and are growing. A good cry helps to flush out the system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ_6jEN5UPk

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      I’m very afraid I have to agree with you.

    • Silver Badger

      For my money, “Long Time Companion” was the definitive AIDS film. Also the most horrifying because it so closely reflected my experiences at the time.

      • Jamie Brewer

        That movie had such a universal meaning for anyone who lived and survived that time. It was released in 1989 when there was no hope for a HIV diagnosis.

        • Silver Badger

          I well remember those years. When people were raving about “Philadelphia”, I always recommended “Long Time Companion” for the real story. Philadelphia was little more than “The Brady Bunch does AIDS.”

    • stevenj

      The scariest times in my life have been being registered for the draft during the Vietnam War (before the lottery) and having that hanging over my life for several years, the AIDS years seeing people around me drop like flies (and not knowing whether I was + or – and afraid to get tested when it became available)and now trump in the WH w/the GOP terrorist organization in control.

      • Jamie Brewer

        Talk about parallel lives. I pulled 124 in the draft lottery for 1971. They called up to 123. My partner tested positive in 1987. He died in 1992. I finally got tested in 1990 so I could lay out financial plans for my retirement. If positive the hell with saving… for whatever reason I was negative and those savings plans have really made a difference in my financial quality of life today. Knowing too much of what living under Hitler was for the Jews I conceive of that happening to anyone who is not straight, white, or christian here in the USA….

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Gosh I just wish I could muster up any concern at this point. Next story please!

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Decent human beings:
      “Nothing will happen.”
      “I just wish I could muster up any concern at this point.*

      Wayne LaPierre:
      “Mission accomplished.”

  • I’ve said it many times before: Nothing will happen. Even proposals to ban “bump stocks” have stalled, thanks to the NRA. The occasional gun massacre is apparently the price we have to pay to let gun enthusiasts indulge in their fun.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Leo
  • Gretchen

    My viewpoint is going to be unpopular, but here goes nothing. This is our fault. All of us collectively as Americans (or at least the vast majority of us). We have allowed either through inattention, inaction, or active malfeasance for a group of people to take power in our country who are engaged in a proactive campaign to kill our citizens. Whether it is through denying access to healthcare, destroying the environment, or putting weapons capable of mass murder into the hands of the populace, our representatives have no regard for the lives of average Americans.

    Our founders gave us a mechanism to fight tyranny, but they could never have imagined a society so overwhelmed with information that it is virtually impossible to stir the average citizen to more than a moment of dismay let alone hold on to outrage long enough to vote for change.

    I think we can mostly agree that the system has been infiltrated and twisted with voter suppression and gerrymandering until it is virtually unrecognizable as a representative democracy. Those are major obstacles, BUT the real reason our system no longer works is apathy. If our citizens were interested and invested enough in the process, there would be no obstacle so insurmountable that we would give up our voice at the ballot box. Instead of bemoaning the lack of action from our elected representatives, we would be removing them to make way for those who would do the will of the people.

    I know that as a group, we here at JMG, are more informed and active than most in the political process, but are we doing everything we can or are we waiting on Mueller or someone else to save us? Are we bitching about Berniebros or are we actively seeking new candidates willing to advocate for us? Are we ourselves running for office or at least volunteering to help with campaigning? Are we donating, making phone calls, giving rides to the polls? I’m betting than most of us here are doing all those things, so what’s left?

    Education.

    The only way to pass sensible gun laws is to change who gets to decide. The only way to do that is to talk to people constantly in person about what is happening in our country. No one is listening to the news anymore. It’s just background noise. Heads are in the sand because it’s easier to just not know what horrible thing happened miles away and how it’s going to either make your life more complicated or expensive.

    I believe the solution is education. It’s going to have to be personal and frequent. We can engage our family, friends, and neighbors in the process, but it’s not going to be easy. I think a national campaign would be wonderful, but it starts with individual actions.

    We didn’t get into this situation overnight, and it won’t end soon either. We need to start locally just like the Tea Party did. We need a candidate in every single race. We have no one to run for higher office because we have stopped running locally. I bet almost all of us have an email in our inbox right this minute for an action we can take this week, so let’s commit to starting there. If you already planned to do one, do two. We need to stretch our outreach if we we want political muscles.

    I’m going to commit to going to Joshua Williams’s rally in Knoxville tomorrow night. He is running for the seat John Duncan is vacating in district 2 in TN.

    How are you going to get (more) involved this week?

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Unpopular viewpoint? Well, I’m with you every step of the way.

    • We need to start locally just like the Tea Party did. We need a candidate in every single race.

      This has been in the playbook of the “right” for decades, running for everything from dogcatcher on up.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • MBear

      Lovers quarrel

      Make it go viral.
      Heh

      • Ben in Oakland

        I just heard it on the internet.

        • MBear

          All the best people are saying it

    • Ben in Oakland

      Maybe he dont like dem assholes.

    • BobSF_94117

      Broken ribs? That sounds like quite a wallopping. Hmmm. Suspicious.

      • safari

        He fell down the stairs.

      • Lazycrockett

        If his Libertarian ass can’t make it through a dust up how the hell is he going to survive in a Libertarian Utopia??

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Oh, my. Broken ribs. I do hope that nice Senator Paul has good medical coverage, just like the coverage he’s been fighting to get for all Kentuckians.
        (mandatory /s)

        • Vulcan Has No Moon

          Senator Paul’s health care is a cadillac plan paid for by the taxpayer that all congress people have. Which is why every time they tried to repeal the ACA they exempted themselves from the ACA repeal.

      • kareemachan

        First it was reported as maybe *one* cracked rib. Now it’s 5 broken ribs. Huh.

    • safari

      That reminds me Grumpy Old Men is on Hulu this month.

    • Stubenville

      Is it white rice, brown rice, or pork fried rice? Just asking for a friend…

    • Vulcan Has No Moon

      Eh, maybe its got something to do with Paul Ryan’s hardon for destroying Medicare and Medicaid. I imagine some health care professionals are a bit tetchy about that.

  • Ben in Oakland

    But wait. He went to church, and everyone knows it is the atheists who are immoral killers.

    • Treant

      “Secretly, in his heart, he had abandoned our Lord, Jesus Christ.” –Texans, tonight.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Or listened to him.

        • Treant

          Same difference, really. In either case, listening to the little voice in your head–when it’s telling you to kill people–isn’t a good idea.

          • Gretchen

            Salient point

          • Ben in Oakland

            Ther3 was a great movie in the sixties, I think called “God told me to do it.”

            You can just imagine.

          • Nic Peterson

            Hmmm, as usual you have a point, Treant. Voices in the head telling you to kill someone, where have I heard that shit before. Oh Yes! Abraham saw a bush, heard a voice, received instruction to kill his only son, almost went through with it and ended up settling for ritual genital mutilation. Thus the world came to know Judaism and step-daughters Islam and Christianity.

            All of that from some crazy assed goat herder.

          • Treant

            Call me cra…I mean, sane, but if I were told to kill my (theoretical) first-born son, the answer would be a simple, “Fuck you, I’m going to get therapy and the proper drugs.”

          • Lazycrockett

            “Kill them Davey”

    • gaycuckhubby

      Did he go to church?
      The bible study thing was for a short period in 2013

    • safari

      He just sent them to visit Jesus. I don’t understand why they’re so upset. /s

      • Hue-Man

        Accelerated version of the GOP health plan – “Hurry up and die!”

        • Silver Badger

          Instant Rapture.

          • safari

            Everyone gets a government-paid for religious leader in place of a doctor to sit by their bedside to let them appreciate their pain and convert them lest they suffer eternity in damnation created by an omnipotent leader that loves them like a serial abuser.

  • safari
    • bkmn

      I just read on bbc that Trump asked the Japanese how they have so few gun related deaths and he got an earful.

      • Lizard

        Oh please oh please oh please let this be true…

        • RoFaWh

          It won’t make the slightest difference. Trump has already made up his mind.

          • Lizard

            But the thought of Drumpf being told off warms my cynical heart.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I think it stemmed from this tweet. I don’t think they actually discussed it.

        https://twitter.com/Rschooley/status/927335243698155521

        • Lazycrockett

          Well who knows cause yesterday he wanted to know why Japan didn’t shoot down the NK missile. It not like he knows anything.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I WISH he would aak about gun gun control.
            God, I always assumed W would be the dumbest president in my lifetime

          • Lazycrockett

            All he has to do is throw up on the Emperor and he will forever hold a place in Japanese society.

          • JCF

            “Yeah, why won’t the Japanese go the Bang-Bang solution???” /s

    • JohnJay

      “So hey, Aki, weren’t you supposed to be a god or something once? “

      • BobSF_94117

        You left out “too”.

    • JCF

      This time, it’s the Japanese who will vomit…

      https://media.giphy.com/media/h6tcqowSJVpm0/giphy.gif

      • Treant

        “Are you guys chucking? Right in front of my salad.”

        • safari

          I still haven’t watched that porn. There’s something incredibly off putting about a random woman in porn having a speaking role. Or just being there.

          • Treant

            The snippet is funny, but honestly. The last thing I’m thinking about when watching gay porn–or doing what those two guys are doing–is women.

    • safari
      • safari

        In case you were curious. Melania looks like she just learned something important.

        • Lazycrockett

          Why is she dressed like she’s been sent to educate the King of Siam’s children?

          • safari

            Because, she’s internationally classy you rube 😉

  • Stubenville

    I wonder what insensitive, stupid thing Cheetolini will say.

    • greenmanTN

      Fire up the random assholery generator and we’ll find out.

      • Stubenville

        Damn, mine’s in the shop. Anyone got a spare?

      • RoFaWh

        Trump’s assholery is not random.

        It is very focused on just a few topics: his ignorance, his stupidity, and why he is the bigliest bestest of all.

    • Lizard

      Actually he wrote a moderately professional tweet in response (I mean, he referenced God but I guess since it was a church full of Baptists it’s at least forgivable) saying he was stricken by the event and would be monitoring the situation from Japan.

      Which convinces me that he did not actually write it.

      • kareemachan

        Honestly, that was my reaction as well. There is NO effing way he wrote it.

        ETA: Especially since he made a very insensitive comment about Japan. In Japan.

      • -M-

        Noise. What is there for the president to monitor about it in the first place?

  • bkmn
  • worstcultever
    • JCF

      Points!

    • kareemachan

      And lower taxes for the 1% “middle class”.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    If he has a mother-in-law, then he’s married?

    • gaycuckhubby

      Early (unconfirmed) reports said he killed his family first before everyone else

  • bkmn
    • leastyebejudged

      Blood money.

  • TJ

    My cousin’s wife was in another Baptist church 1.5 blocks away when this happened. The Preacher was ranting and raving so loud she didn’t hear anything. Only found out afterwards. I heard this from others. Since she is a fundie we do NOT communicate.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • safari

      …they do?

    • Lazycrockett

      Well that would be easier for Drumpf than him actually doing something.

    • Hue-Man

      This is consistent with their bargaining position in NAFTA. The objective is to make American consumers pay astronomical prices for their trucks, cars, SUVs.
      1. “…their protectionist requests that would boost the overall North American content requirements from 62.5 per cent to 85 per cent.”

      2.”But the Americans also want a country-specific change that would increase U.S. content requirements to 50 per cent in the first year of the new deal.”
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-auto-sector-1.4353145

    • boobert

      Everyone of the Japanese automakers has plants in the US. Meanwhile Ford, GM and Chrysler build theirs in Mexico, lol.

    • RoFaWh

      More of Trump’s incredible ignorance on display.

      There has been speculation that Trump is nearly illiterate, and his ignorance supports that on the grounds that anyone who can read knows a lot more than Trump, who does not, and perhaps can not, read.

    • SoCalGal20

      Do Japanese car companies make more cars in the U.S. than U.S. car manufacturers do these days?

      • Gretchen

        My husband works for an auto parts manufacturer. It’s a Japanese company, but they make parts for several American manufacturers including Harley Davidson and Ford as well as Toyota, Nissan, Kia, etc. Right now they are so busy that he is working seven days a week. If I woke him up, he could tell me the production statistics for each manufacturer. I won’t since he has to get up at 4 am for work, but I would be very surprised if American companies are even close in production to foreign manufacturers who produce cars domestically.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Damn! Your husband is a busy man!

          • Gretchen

            Sometimes I feel guilty that he works so hard. Other days I buy new shoes.

          • gaycuckhubby

            😁😁😁

  • safari
    • BobSF_94117

      I’ll be pleasantly surprised if war doesn’t break out between Saudi Arabia and Iran before the end of the week.

  • boobert

    The article says he went to high school from 2003 to 2009. Really? Six years to get through high school?

    • safari

      5 years.
      Fall 2003 begin.
      Spring 2009 end.

      • Treant

        Six, I’m afraid.

        9/2003 – 6/2004
        9/2004 – 6/2005
        9/2005 – 6/2006

        9/2006 – 6/2007
        9/2007 – 6/2008
        9/2008 – 6/2009

        He could have taken a year off for a family emergency or something, and then flunked another and had to repeat it. No matter how you play it, however, we’re not talking brain trust.

        • safari

          Fucking one-off error. The bane of all programmers.

    • Lazycrockett

      Maybe he was on the football team.

      • safari

        Do they hold ’em back in Texas because they’re a good… guy who tackles and just stands there like a wall?

    • boobert

      Plus ,he was dishonorably discharged and court martialed in May 2014

      • Treant

        You gotta do some bad shit for that to happen, like kill your commanding officer or sell drugs to little kids or fall in love with another guy…

        Oh, sorry, DADT is gone now. Carry on.

      • safari

        Ugh. This man will be a work of “real Americana”

    • danolgb

      But 2009 would have been his normal graduating year if he was born in 1991. I think it’s just a typo on his LinkedIn.

    • clay

      Some smaller systems do preK-6, 7-12.

  • leastyebejudged

    Still, the need for national mental health services continues to be entirely ignored.

    Shame on the USA.

    END THE USA.

  • safari

    Well, the narrative has been formed. The fact that he trolled atheist sites means he was one. It’s obvious, theretofore, he killed in the name of atheism. QED.

  • -M-

    O/T
    Sounds like the Saudis killed some of those princes they arrested.
    😳😧😦😮😐😑

    • BobSF_94117

      No, really? Whoa.

    • safari

      Meh. It’d be like being shocked that today happened in the US.

    • RoFaWh

      Tribal politics, nothing more.

    • Treant

      Totally an accident. Nobody could have foreseen that happening. Go away, now, before I have to call the Palace guards.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Their final thoughts:
        “Damn. Shoulda stayed longer in Monte Carlo.”

    • Hue-Man

      I blame Trump – he put a hex on all those princes when he visited Saudi Arabia! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/110bdb65ace9efec2769feea54742f1906cd9ed09729948cd3435dc24b87d1b0.png

      • -M-

        Isn’t sorcery a capital crime in Saudi Arabia?

  • worstcultever
    • safari

      That god doesn’t throw loved ones into the flames of eternal damnation.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i’m going with chocolate and/or a blow job.

      • safari

        Chocolate after. I hate being sugar sticky.

        • Sam_Handwich

          plus, chocolate remnants can be unseemly

          • safari

            I’ve had that moment. What is this on my sheet– oh god. *sniff* Wait, no, I had chocolate in bed.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Sounds like a messy combination
        But in a good way.

        • Sam_Handwich

          just take the 3rd exit onto the Hershey Highway and things will work out

      • Hank

        …ON a BJ

        • safari

          No. If dick doesn’t taste good on its own, you shouldn’t be eating it.

          • Gretchen

            You should put that on souvenir mugs and t-shirts.

          • safari

            Oh, you.

    • Gretchen

      Valium for the general population. Your own death if it was your child killed.

      • safari

        There are some who suggest a little tiny bit of lithium be added to our drinking water along with the chlorine and fluoride. You know. To smile.

        • safari
          • safari

            Julia Roberts stole her Oscar. Bitch.

          • Gretchen

            Is that my Aunt Opal?

          • safari

            …have you seen Reqiuem for a Dream?

          • Gretchen

            I have not. Should I add it to my queue? I can’t usually sit still long enough for an entire movie. It’s rare I try.

          • safari

            It is a movie best seen once. With friends. Who will let you cry. It is a movie about drugs and addiction, where addiction is the protagonist and everyone else is the antagonist battling it. It covers the span of a year from spring to winter… and it only gets darker. It is a beautiful, powerful movie. The character I posted is the mother of an only child who falls prey to her own form of addiction as the movie progresses. Her monologue, which I am posting, is one of the best I’ve seen. I wouldn’t put your movie on a list if you want to find pleasure in it. There is none. This monologue, by the way, is one of those things that *really* make me feel for what it must be like to be a mother with an absent family.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clHCsZA0f6Y

          • Gretchen

            My god. She sounds like me when the antidepressants stop working. I better hold off on this one.

          • gaycuckhubby

            It’s a rough one. But very good. Don’t expect to have a good day after watching it

    • Ben in Oakland

      A short memory.

    • leastyebejudged

      A country that isn’t chock full of hypocrites, liars, and cowardly little toadies.

    • Snarkaholic

      Probably for new members to join the church…to make up for the lost donations revenue.

  • e jerry powell

    Mother-in-law is one thing, but Kelley was actually living in New Braunfels, to the northwest.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Devin p. Kelley? Obviously, another Arab terrorist. Time to bomb North Korea before they send more of them from Mexico.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Treant

      Tweet that to him. 🙂

    • Lizard

      Woooooooooooooow.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Translation: white. Not so bad. Somewhat brown ish. Unleash the hounds.

      Also worth noting: 8 dead is worth getting political over. 27 dead is not worth getting political over. Sounds liken evangelical to me.

    • leastyebejudged

      You can send him messages on his website, I suggested he fully utilize his right to euthanasia.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Nah. Believe it or not I don’t want more death

        • leastyebejudged

          Death is inevitable.

    • JCF
  • JWC

    Natural humanity says you should care but then it’s brain dead Texas and my only emotion is what do you expect

    • safari

      As I said earlier, NPR was talking to a journalist from the area. He said that “We didn’t think it could happen here.” Because in Texas “we all have guns.”

      • JWC

        Full ammo clip and bible thumpers. Brain dead

      • kareemachan

        Fuck almighty. The stupid, it hurts.

      • Gretchen

        I have an idiot uncle that I wouldn’t trust with a metal spoon let alone a firearm, and his church (rural East Tennessee) recruits volunteers from among the male (duh!) members of the congregation to conduct armed patrols of the church and parking lot. They are afraid someone will try to steal the offering. He happily participates. I’m just waiting for the news alert where he has accidentally shot himself or someone else.

  • Blake J Butler
  • safari
    • boobert

      Shit happens !

    • JCF

      Yup.

    • safari
    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      WOW…just WOW!

      • safari

        “We’re sorry.”

        I mean, aside from thoughts and prayers, what more is there that can be done?

        • Ben in Oakland

          You mean what less is there?

          • safari

            Less, more, what is this communism?

          • Ben in Oakland

            Ummmmm….da?

    • leastyebejudged

      This is why when a cop dies I have a little party.

      • Ben in Oakland

        And that is why you are neither a good person, or a nice person, or a moral person.

        • leastyebejudged

          That’s why I am all three, and you none.

          Boot-licking coward.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Sexy boot licking? All of a sudden I like Ben even more

          • Ben in Oakland

            Really! We havent even been introduced, and you want a date.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Lol

          • Ben in Oakland

            This guy is an asshole, isn’t he? I seem to remember a few other charming comments of his as well.

    • Opinion Sousaphones

      Could he be in shock and so talking nonsense? He could have known many people in the church perhaps… so he talks nonsense? It is hard to imagine anybody in their right mind saying this.

      • safari

        He went after the media because he wanted to blame them for … something.

        Then he tripped over himself.

        I only find fault that his go-to was to attack the media. Because he is likely an asshole.

        • Opinion Sousaphones

          … and assholes will say anything, and that is sufficient explanation.

          I saw a picture of a 14 girl who was among the murdered. There just are not words… sorrow…

    • Ben in Oakland

      Did he really say .we feel sincerely sorry for all the people that are involved” instead of he “victims of another mass murderer”

  • Hue-Man

    I’m considering joining the “Gun Massacre Deniers”; the Kochs obviously paid these actors to pretend to be shot and wounded in order to increase gun sales.

    (But seriously, if Americans don’t care enough to do something about it, then why should I care? Other than my not wishing a violent death on anyone…)

  • JCF

    What’s greatest predictor of mass shooter? Domestic violence.

    Kelly: Court-martialed for assault 1) on wife, 2) on child.

  • Ninja0980

    CNN and MSNBC are back to regular programming less then six hours after this story broke.
    That is how normalized this has become.

  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

      This tells me nothing other than he was already a bad boy.

    • DaddyRay

      It mean in any other civilized society that he would not have been able to get assault rifles

      • safari

        In any other civilized society people would need a very good reason to have something that can kill dozens within minutes. We do it for every other thing *except* guns.

        • safari

          I should say, whose intended purpose is to kill. We can go down the truck-killing path. But trucks aren’t designed to be lethal weapons.

      • DreadPikathulhu

        A civilized society would never have assault rifles. That we let gun manufacturers make and then sell them is a crime against humanity.

        • MBear

          Murrikkka is not “civilised”

          • safari

            Our ethos is based upon the idea of overthrowing the oppressor with violence.

          • MBear

            LOL

      • Vista-Cruiser

        You’re erroneously classifying the US as a civilized society. It isn’t.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Lol

    • gaycuckhubby

      Bad Conduct Discharge is not an automatic ban on firearms.
      Dishonorable Discharge is.

      • safari

        Really?

        • gaycuckhubby

          Yes. But any conviction of Domestic abuse is supposed to bar gun ownership.
          So likely that the gun was illegally obtained/owned

          • safari

            But *very* cursory scans of media make me think he bragged about it on social media. (I never confirmed this. I figure someone reputable would give me a long-form piece at some point to read.)

          • gaycuckhubby

            Yes. He proudly posted photos of the gun that he most likely used.

            I can’t remember when the conviction was, but he was probably off of probation so there was no one monitoring him.
            it’s not law enforcement job to continuously monitor everyone who’s ever been convicted of a crime. but there should be laws to prevent him from buying weapons.

            I have lots of questions myself… did he buy the weapon b4 the conviction? Does one conviction bar you from owning a gun for life? Or do you get that right back eventually?

      • Lumpy Gaga

        So relieved, then, that he was still able to get guns.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I still think that he wasn’t allowed to. Any conviction of domestic abuse should result in a ban on owning firearms. it will be interesting to find out in the coming days wether the weapon was bought legally or illegally. My guess is he obtained it through back channels not legally

      • Grumpy Old Man

        Many people do not know that there are 5 types of discharge from service: honorable, general, undesirable, bad conduct, and dishonorable. The first 3 do not necessarily include UCMJ whereas bad conduct and dishonorable almost always are; and they usually include ‘hard time’ in federal pen or its equivalent.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • safari

      ^There we go.

    • DaddyRay

      I wonder if his wife and child were in the church

      • safari

        My cynical nature makes me think this is how my cousin who is married to a pastor-wanna-be will end up.

      • JohnJay

        Well, it was said his mother-in-law was in that town. Perhaps his wife & kid were staying with her.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Early reports said yes. They were the first killed. Makes you wonder if the church had taken them in/protected them.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada
      • safari

        Was it October or September when the last man shot up his church?

  • worstcultever

    Because we need some relief, #372865

    Apparently this story has gone viral but I just saw it today – a stray dog who crashed a wedding in Brazil and damn, it will melt ya

    https://www.thedodo.com/close-to-home/stray-dog-crashes-wedding-brazil

    • safari

      I want to fall asleep a frosty bitch.

      • safari

        It hasn’t been a bad day for me personally. But for some reason I feel like that moment in Steel Magnolias where Sally Field wants to punch someone… and Shirley MacLaine is offered up by Olympia Dukakis.

  • Hue-Man

    O/T I missed this story from 2016.
    A Shocking Find in a Neanderthal Cave in France
    A rock structure, built deep underground, is one of the earliest hominin constructions ever found.

    “Their date? 176,500 years ago, give or take a few millennia.”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/05/the-astonishing-age-of-a-neanderthal-cave-construction-site/484070/
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5fdb6a915c5fdea8672ceaf7ed561369bf8c49e3472616a275e76ba101c44bc7.jpg

    (This is where I saw the story today)
    http://ici.radio-canada.ca/tele/decouverte/site/segments/reportage/43758/grotte-bruniquel

    • Sam_Handwich

      no, that’s the maid cleaning my bathroom

      #fakenews

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I wonder what life would be like if the Neanderthals had been the ones to succeed instead of our lineage.

      • leastyebejudged

        Evidence suggests they didn’t have the huge advantage of domesticated grey wolves early humans had.

      • edrex

        the red states give us some hints.

    • JCF

      Hey! Those Quebecker Canucks don’t have the decency to speak English! >:-/ /s

    • edrex

      i guess when the story is176,500 years old, another year doesn’t hurt.

      • Paula

        News travels slowly underground.

        • edrex

          nice!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • safari

      Why is this 12-year old hairspray sniffer twitter-famous?

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Well, you can thank a couple of girls named Kim and Paris…they proved you can be famous for nothing and it became all the rage.

        • safari

          She got fucked on tape?

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Yep, that’s how they both started.

        • don

          ZsaZsa was the first IMHO

    • Ben in Oakland

      She,lol never get you if you’re going to be that subtle.

    • Blake J Butler

      She works at fox now, trust me she’s in her own personal hell as we speak she just won’t acknowledge it.

      She’s probably getting groped as we speak, sexually harassed on a regular basis. And for conservative women that support men accused for sexual harassment over the women, they deserve it, because they put ideology over humanity.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        “…they deserve it..” indeed. Unlike women who don’t know what to expect, willfully working at FOX is the prime example of the statement “she’s asking for it.” Sorry conservative women, but you don’t get to feign shock or surprise at my post.

    • edrex

      sort of like telling them not to build in flood zones.

    • Jonathan Smith
    • don

      Awesome beat-down

  • Ben in Oakland

    According to the gun nuts, all that was needed to stop the murderer was a good guy with a gun…

    If he was nt already dead, though he would still have the gun.

    • SDG

      This was Texas, wasn’t it highly likely that at least one person in that church was packing a gun?

      • gaycuckhubby

        A neighbor next door heard the shots and engaged the shooter with a rifle which is when the shooter fled.
        Via CNN

      • Ben in Oakland

        Unfortunately, if he was a dead guy with a gun, it wouldn’t work.

        And if he was a live guy with a gun, it didn’t work.

      • leastyebejudged

        He fired on them from outside the building. Not really a whole lot you can do when you’re shot through a wall.

        • SDG

          I am being slightly sarcastic. All the gun people say, “if they were armed”.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Yeah, I went there…no, I don’t give a shit…so tired of this…

    https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/927376827227758592

    Husbotter is so upset, he says he wants to love his homeland, he wants to be proud of America, but he can’t and it’s really affecting him. Such a sensitive soul my booh is. NYC was so hard and now this.

  • Ninja0980

    Took a needed break earlier and watched Aerial America with the hubby (and a couple of other things;).
    Just so sick of mass shootings being accepted as a way of life here.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Dirty boy 😉

      • Ninja0980

        It was in the tub so it wasn’t dirty at all.

        • gaycuckhubby

          💦💦💦

    • Lazycrockett

      Are they still doing states?

      • Ninja0980

        No.
        They did all of those so they are now doing countries abroad and major cities with New York being the first.
        LA, Miami and Chicago are hopefully going to be next.

        • Lazycrockett

          Sweet. I’ll have to check em out.

          • Ninja0980

            Aerial New Zealand was amazing.

  • SoCalGal20
    • safari

      *circus music*

  • Avenger280

    What are the odds that on tomorrow’s “700 Club” Pat Robertson will blame:

    a) Muslims
    b) Gays
    c) Liberals
    d) any combination of the above
    e) all of the above

    • safari

      f) Atheists

      The shooter was a troll on atheist sites. Therefore, he is an antsiest.

      • safari

        ***Add the usual unconfirmed but read a few times as a warning. I never want to spread false facts.

      • JohnJay

        g) Taking God out of the schools.
        h) abortion and the “culture of death”

    • MikeBx2

      Or Gawd allowed it to prevent future alcoholics.

      • safari

        How best to drink his blood but without moderation?

      • JohnJay

        Remember last week Pat’s explanation for letting the 15 year old boy die so that perhaps it prevented something bad in his future, like becoming an atheist. I guess God was not so concerned about this mass murderer to make sure he died before turning bad.

        • safari

          God takes ’em young so they can’t say no?

          • Macbill

            Who can tell the mind of God, other than Jimmy Baker, of course. He’s got Buckets o’ Love for sale.

        • MikeBx2

          Yes, he said becoming an atheist or alcoholic.

    • Girlgoon

      And Jim baker will say god got angry cause they didn’t buy my food buckets

    • Friday

      And non-Christians of other sorts.

  • greenmanTN

    Since we seem to have reached the Open Thread part of the evening (often my favorite part)…

    I would have sworn that I never, not for one second, ever liked Madonna. But I must have because I did a drawing of her around the time of the 1st album. I think I’d read somewhere that “The Gays” liked her so I wanted to like her but just didn’t. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08b75cad70b0e85471507c205c7283f29879807d956d27dc3420abb347745f00.jpg

    Siouxsie I liked… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f7a30ad51862016424231f059767e38944a68237119aa0f867e3a5f644434f2.jpg

    I don’t remember doing these at all but they are black acrylic paint on transparent film so I must have been planning on doing silkscreens with them.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      They’re really pretty.

      • greenmanTN

        Sorry. I know I’ve been going on more than a bit about this but it’s odd to go through things you did 20 or 30+ years ago, archaeology of sorts on your own life. Especially when you don’t remember doing them or, in some cases, what they even meant. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1dfde9b9f7ec42513e5d0a9f875847fcafe2d509205005e05da1b5f131f4cd79.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a9068332d95e4d62485ea8cb95f67e542637013fedaf5cf9e56ef22890b3c4dc.jpg

        • safari

          $ ls
          2004-07-02/
          2004-07-18/
          2004-07-21/
          2004-08-04/

          It continues. My experience is somewhat different.

          • greenmanTN

            Huh? I don’t get it.

          • safari

            My records exist on a machine or … many.

            ls is just a command to list them. I used to record records by date rather than project.

            I just see the text, streaming by, when I “unbox”.

          • greenmanTN

            I took classes in 2D computer animation many years ago. I did work that I was really proud of at the time and would LOVE to see again, but this was just at the time that home CD-burning was just beginning to be a thing, still very expensive, and I didn’t have access to that so I stored all of it on a Jazz disc (1000mb IIRC). Assuming I could even find the disc NOBODY uses Jazz drives anymore and it was magnetic media so is unlikely to be intact after this long.

          • safari

            We live in a terrible time for data preservation. It increases (as of like 5 years ago) at a rate of 2 fold every 18 months. I’m, worried.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Very nice!

        • Nychta

          I’ve experienced something similar. I call it “self archeology.” I’ll find dusty shards of stories written years ago, and wonder what I was thinking, what prompted them. Makes me speculate.

    • Opinion Sousaphones

      Do you have other stuff online?

      • safari

        (Tell him!)

      • gaycuckhubby

        I want to know too!

      • greenmanTN

        I *think* this will take you to a Pinterest page where I have a few things posted.

        https://pin.it/r-HbbXy

        • Opinion Sousaphones

          Tremendous fun!

    • djcoastermark

      Ah Souixie, loved her and went to a * few * of her concerts.

    • safari

      My father liked her early work, I’m told by my mother since he doesn’t speak about such things as “like” or “enjoy” or “love”.

      I always found that odd.

    • Friday

      I love Siouxsie. Madonna was never my kind of music, but I like a few of her songs here and there.

  • Manny Espinola

    A Christian, folks, not a Muslim. Let’s move on.

    • Sam_Handwich

      when Jesus wrote the Second Amendment he anticipated these occasional, minor kerfuffles

  • JCF

    Richard Engel’s Drumpf-Russia report is So Awesome. Connection, after connection, after connection! All, back to Putin!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Off to snuggle with the husbotter…he’s off this week so we can get caught up on our favourite shows. At this late hour it’s Star Trek Discovery (which is actually getting better), Orville, Walking Dead, Blue Planet and our guiltiest of pleasures, Lucifer and Riverdale. Mojitos are made, Tapas at the ready and pvr cued up….

    But before I go, one last tweet to share, only because as heartbreaking as the news today was, I felt this needed to be said. Have a good night all and here’s a hope that tomorrow brings you hope.

    https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/927381666045349893

    • gaycuckhubby

      Enjoy your husbotter Sir!
      I don’t think any of us have all the answers but living your best life and holding your loved ones close has got to be part of the solution

    • Sam_Handwich

      snuggles are the best. enjoy!

    • safari

      Snuggle with your husbotter long and well.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        And don’t get shot!

        • JCF

          Unless it’s a money ___? ;-p~~~~

    • Ninja0980

      Snuggles and cuddling are the best.

    • Gretchen

      Like frogs in boiling water, we live in a war zone, but we haven’t noticed yet.

    • greenmanTN

      I have tapas envy!

    • Lazycrockett

      STD is losing my interest.

    • Avenger280

      <3 <3 <3 Please please please… check out "Wynonna Earp". Canadian show filmed in Calgary and shown on SPACE. Awesome canuck cast (Melanie Scrofano, Tim Rozon, Shamier Anderson, Michael Eklund, Kate Drummond, Katherine Barrell). The show's primary romantic leads are a gorgeous lesbian couple (Katherine Barrell and brit Dominique Provost-Chalkley….. Google "Wayhaught" 😉 ). Added bonus: Season 2 introduces a sweet, brainy gay male character named Jeremy (played by Verun Saranga).

  • gaycuckhubby
    • gaycuckhubby
      • Blake J Butler

        Only cause he wanted more damage done to the ACA, since the GOP controls all chambers yet they couldn’t organize a bake sale if they tried, let alone govern.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I know. That’s where the irony bit comes in 🙂

      • JCF

        Argh, I hope this doesn’t change his vote (to anti-Obamacare).

        • Ninja0980

          He still is anti ACA, he just wants it gone altogether.

      • Lazycrockett

        Josh has reverted to his wealthy white toast self post election.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Ehh. He’s always been the same. I appreciate him.

          • Ninja0980

            Yup.
            No idea what his Democratic husband sees in him but that’s me.

          • Treant

            Cocksucking lips? Tight ass? Good income?

          • gaycuckhubby

            And smart and succesful and even though I disagree with him often he is thoughtful on issues and not afraid to challenge himself and his views.

            Edit… just realized that made me sound like im his husband lol. Im not! Just a fan who disagrees with him often

          • Treant

            He’s really not to my taste, but such is life.

    • DaddyRay

      I hope the doctor doesn’t lose his license

  • boris de koningh

    Well BS is very much a pro-gun man, so some lefties can fall under that nutbaggery….

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I had an amazing, fun day, with tons of bikers gathering toys for children and working with Adopt an Angel of Alameda county. It was a beautiful day of wonderful friends gathering together for a good cause.

    Then I come home to this. Can’t we have at lease one full day of happiness? *sigh*

    • djcoastermark

      It’s the (new) American way? I dunno. I envy your day tho, It sounds like a lot of fun. And most likely with loving, caring people too.

  • safari

    O/T: One of the things the GOP tax plan wants to do is tax university graduate tuition waivers. My simple explanation about why this is bad follows from my own experience: 1) I took on debt to get an undergraduate degree. I literally had to live off of loans and the work I had. 2) I achieved well enough to enter into grad school but that required *more work* as a scholar, but I was at least paid with a stipend for research work and teaching work (taxed thanks to Reagan), but also given tuition a tuition wavier that was untaxed to complete my studies. What this means is that the university, in exchange for me being a student and working for them, would let me take classes to complete my degree that would otherwise be wildly expensive on top of what it cost me to pay for my undergraduate work.

    The GOP now wants to *tax* that waiver, which would make graduate school wildly expensive or push colleges to pay higher stipends to compensate — leading to either fewer graduate students or only those that could pay.

    • Gretchen

      Because it isn’t hard enough to go to school and work…

      I was actually sort of lucky I guess in undergrad. In addition to scholarships, I married my first husband at the end of my freshman year. I was 18 and foolish, and he was in the Navy and the closet. We divorced pretty quickly since I didn’t know about that closet thing upfront, but from that point forward, I was an “adult” and qualified for Pell Grants that I couldn’t get with my parents’ income. I still worked three part-time jobs while I was taking 17-20 hours per semester. It’s a good thing sleep isn’t a requirement in youth. I just recently finished paying off the last of the additional loans twenty years later. I couldn’t have come close to affording grad school then. I did my MLIS in 2009 while I worked full-time. I was lucky then too and got a loan from the Bank of Mom.

    • Girlgoon

      You did have choices though, you could have worked blue collar jobs ruining your knees, back and hearing like I did and still not have enough to retire, having not had union jobs, at which point when i can no longer do the trades I’ll work at home depot til I die where I can at least pass on my wisdom to customers.

      While my roommate is underemployed with a PhD and planning on taking her student loans to her grave. Small bit of revenge against the loan sharks

      • safari

        I posted something stupid because I’m scared about where I’m going next. I don’t want to be that ass… fear is something I’m trying to cope with since I don’t know what I want to do. I shouldn’t diminish what you said.

        • Treant

          If it helps any, I’m 48 and still scared about what I’m going to do next, and I still don’t know what I want to do with my life.

          • Ninja0980

            Same here in my 30’s.

          • gaycuckhubby

            34. Contented with my current life but get anxiety when I try to map out my future.
            We want it to include children in the near future.

          • Ninja0980

            Hubby and I feel the same way.
            Only thing for sure we know isn’t in our future is kids.
            Love being uncles but being parents 24/7 is something neither of us want to be.

          • safari

          • RoFaWh

            You have it easier than you think.

            I’m turning 74 soon and am confronting issues such as…

            1. Move to a smaller place or stay in the house I’ve occupied for nearly thirty years? If downsize is a go, rent or buy?

            2. Get another cat or not? (My last cat died a couple of months ago.) If so, what age? Kitten or ten year old?

            3. How to dispose of books (principally on gardening) I no longer use?

            4. Continue to live alone, or find a housemate so when I keel over from a stroke or heart attack my body will be found quickly. Living alone as I do, it’s conceivable the old bod would lie on the floor decomposing well beyond it’s best-before state.

            One of the underlying issues is that none of my few close friends live here in Victoria. They live at closest a couple of hours driving time away. (That figure includes ferries.) The rest have all either died, moved away, or the friendship has simply faded away.

            As my GP said many years ago, getting old is not for sissies.

      • Gretchen

        This is the route my husband “chose.” I had an accident and am totally disabled now. Between my social security and pension, I make barely less than I did working. He can barely walk because of vascular issues, but he can’t retire early because of the insurance and huge cut in pay if he went on disability.

    • RoFaWh

      Trump loves the poorly educated.

  • Paula

    CBS news had this posted about the shooter. I don’t know if the military reports this info. He should not have been able to buy a gun. Unless, it was a private sale. The laws need to be strengthened.
    “Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of assault on his spouse and assault on their child, Stefanek said. He received a bad conduct discharge and confinement for 12 months.”

    • gaycuckhubby

      Right. Under law that court martial should have banned him from buying weapons. Unless there was a loophole I dont know about

      • Ninja0980

        The loophole could be the military not plugging it in to other databases but we’ll have to see.

        • gaycuckhubby

          True. Also, i’m assuming thwy confiscate any weapons already in possesion at the time of convinction?

          • Ninja0980

            Yes.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I thought they would. Will be interesting how this shakes out.
            Probably internet sale of bought by friend/family.
            Hopefully someone will go to trial for supplying him with a weapon he shouldn’t be allowed to buy

          • JCF

            See Sam Bee video below. In one jurisdiction, 99% of the judges of domestic violence convictions failed to tell the convict he could no longer own guns. 99%!!!!

          • gaycuckhubby

            Crazy!

          • Paula

            There needs an automatic process for this.

          • Paula

            Yes, they do. This happened to my half-brother. He was in the Air Force and was busted with drugs. (he claims it was his crazy (now ex) wife that had the the drugs in the car.) He was in confinement a year, they seized his weapons from his house and eventually discharged him.

        • Paula

          That is my thought. The domestic violence conviction would automatically disqualify him from purchasing a gun.
          Academy does a good job at background checks.
          Either the info wasn’t available or somebody bought it for him. Straw purchase.

    • TJ

      He bought the gun at an Academy store in San Antonio. They would have done a background check.

      Edit. Or at least they should have. Gun was pre-owned. Didn’t know Academy Sports and Outdoors sold used guns.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Wtf?
        Arggghhh

  • Robert Adams

    So much for the Bible as the source of morals and moral behavior.

    • edrex

      “harry potter” is a more reliable guide.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Or the Quran or the Torah or Vedas etc etc

    • Treant

      Really, no book is. There’s no substitute for a well-developed moral sense that you can apply to each individual circumstance.

      The people who really scare me are the ones who actually do use a book–any book–as their exclusive moral compass. The Rules end up supplanting the Writ in jig time, and you end up with absolutist morals that internally contradict themselves because each circumstance differs.

      Or worse, as with modern fundamentalism, you end up with Rules that directly contradict the Writ, and the Writ is thrown out while the Rules ossify into an insoluble tangle.

      • RoFaWh

        The distinction you refer to is why, until roughly the mid-nineteenth century, England had a double legal system, the ordinary courts of law using common law, and the chancery courts which sought equity, aka “justice”. Sometimes, the same case would go before both types of court, and the two would arrive at directly contradictory judgements.

        Theoretically, when the common law and chancery courts were united, the courts and lawyers were supposed to handle the equity issues as well as the legal ones, but I’ve never heard of any case where the lawyers argued for an equitable decision (as opposed to a merely legal one).

        The chancery courts were notorious for taking a long time and costing a lot of money. One of Dickens’ novels plays this theme.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      That rag is full of rape, genocide, infanticide, fratricide (the whole damned thing is based on a reaction to fratricide and an attempt at infanticide to boot.) Then there’s the sexism, misogyny, racism, pick your favorite non-hetero phobia, Antisemitism, wanton violence, and a thorough hatred of intellectual thought. There’s shitty novels, then there’s really shitty novels, and then there’s the Bible. Awful rag, that.

  • Lazycrockett

    There is a fish that lives on the Antarctic Ocean Floor that’s fins have turned into feet.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36b500507a321669bae847151b1adb41ce08bfcb6de06ba5aa540cf55f8e450a.png

    • DaddyRay

      Wonder if the feet were post Fukushima

      • safari

        Small deviations from background unless on site…

        • Treant

          …and even there, sea water is a fantastic shield against all types of radiation. Contamination of the food chain is the only real consideration.

          • safari

            Let’s start that story somewhere. “The Lucky Dragon” was in the Pacific waters fishing when suddenly a bright light flashed in the distance from one of the first US fusion bombs that detonated at between 2 or 3 times its estimated power. Well, its island was destroyed and then some. However, the Lucky Dragon eventually found it “snowing” on deck. For hours. It was the fallout from the bomb vaporizing the seafloor that it shouldn’t have.

            The crewmen went home, put their fish to market, and started to die. As the correlation between the US’s actions and that of the crewmen’s story came together, a scientist went down to the Tokyo market and scanned for radiation. It was found. The fish market collapsed.

            The US paid some money to the crewmember’s next of kin. But — that contamination of a raw food source — caused dire consequences, I firmly believe, it is wedged in our own minds even if we can’t recall the story. Something invisible, radioactive particles in this story, caused death by eating a common food. We worry to this day about the invisible in our food.

          • Treant

            Well, you would find it on the fish; they were on deck, not swimming.

            And you’d even find it in the fish if they’d ingested the particles. Which, post-test and once the fallout had some time to settle, they would have. Of course, two weeks in, only the stuff with half-lives of 1.5 days or greater would even be detectable any longer, and as time wore on, only less-radioactive elements remain.

            That was also the Castle Bravo test which was, frankly, a gigantic mistake. Fifteen megatons when you were expecting six megatons means we screwed up royally. Considerations do differ depending on the source.

          • safari

            How were they to know the the ratio of Lithium (?) isotope good to Lithium isotope bad was inaccurate since bad becomes good when bombarded with things. Gods. What are they, psychic 😉

          • Treant

            Accurate testing. Which they didn’t do because things were done fast and loose back then. From Louis Slotin’s death to Castle Bravo, we had an abysmal record of testing and tended to toss it out there and light it up to see what happened.

            The Li-6 doesn’t transform to Li-7 unless bombarded by the appropriate neutron; they knew from Ivy Mike that they should expect a slew of ca. 14 MeV (fast and hot) neutrons. The theories for fast neutron bombardment of Li-6 was already nailed down, as was the Jetter cycle. They used lithium deuteride as a reactant counting on the Jetter cycle, point in fact.

          • safari

            I haven’t finished the literally 35-hour audiobook of this era. The initial stories I’ve read indicate it was unexpected. But let’s not bring Slotin into this or his earlier Demon Core companion. Playing with moderators over a near-critical core with hands and screwdrivers is incredibly stupid.

          • Treant

            Yep, it was unexpected. But looking at it, they rushed the test and never looked at the math very closely. So you can say “unexpected” or simply “incredibly careless.”

            Even if, theoretically, they knew zip about the lithium process, you still don’t change the tamper without testing it in the laboratory. Expose lithium to an accelerated neutron and you get to see the tritium production first-hand.

            Or you do an interim test by creating a second Ivy Mike and including a lithium sample to see what happens.

            The point, which does include Slotin and Daghlian, is that there were some standards that were just as often ignored. In Slotin’s case, he exposed seven other people, none of whom pointed out that perhaps using a screwdriver wasn’t such a hot idea…

            I did just check myself; Jetter’s Cycle was developed by Ulrich Jetter in 1950. Castle Bravo was designed in late 1953 and set off in early 1954.

    • Treant

      No they have not! Where’s the transitional species then, huh?

      Fish don’t walk, otherwise they’d run marathons against humans!

      🙂

      • DaddyRay

        Fish Feet and Chicken Fingers – it is a crazy mixed up world

        • Treant

          I know, right? One spell calls for hen’s teeth. Those things cost some bucks.

          • safari

            Free form now. A German/English-American body builder of a strange upper-middle/lower class international conglomeration warned me about what comes out my rear after drinking this. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b4e9614307795b6a8b803a9702857896c3f0c48f95c9a02a4c8a049cc3e4e7ed.jpg

          • Treant

            Your diarrhea turns orange?

          • safari

            I filed *a* warning, not the details aside from flatulence.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Try Rauchbier. You’ll want to eat raw meat and launch into the latest Bavarian yodel.

          • safari

            My birthday is coming up. Should I find it?

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            It’s smoked beer. Personally, I liked it. Didn’t love it but it’s a treat. It’s also a creeper.
            Now, a nice Trappist beer does, as much as I hate to admit it, put German varieties to shame.

          • safari

            I think I can handle smoked much better than oaked. I don’t want oak in my bear. Really. I’m not a scotch fan.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Huge scotch fan. Like tour the distilleries and study the barley fan. The smoke tastes different than scotch smoke even. It’s hard to describe. But it did make me want to eat raw meat.

        • JCF

          “it is a crazy mixed up world”

          Oh, you did it now!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnA0gaHrXGA

    • djcoastermark

      Dagnabbit! No more nudie pics of ted cruz !

    • safari

      I’m more concerned about his beard.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        But enough about Ladybird Bachman.

  • BeaverTales

    “Texas Church Shooter Being Identified As An Atheist On The DNC Payroll Is Fake News”
    https://www.business2community.com/us-news/texas-church-shooter-identified-atheist-dnc-payroll-fake-news-01949237#eGO3p7BZ5xbPTPTW.99

  • Blake J Butler
    • SoCalGal20

      His account should have been suspended months ago. So should Don Jr’s.

      • DaddyRay

        As well as Don Sr.

        • Blake J Butler

          Which btw that reminds me, someone needs to start a gofundme for that individual for taking down his account even temporarily.

          Like fund his or her’s holiday season or something.

      • RoFaWh

        But haven’t their Tweets provided ammunition for the prosecutors they’ll soon be confronted by?

        I’m waiting for Trump himself to be convicted (of what, I care not), with bail set at 50% of his net worth. Taking his claim of having $15 billion as true, this translates into a bail of $7.5 billion.

        He no more commands such wealth than I do, so it will be amusing to see him trying to talk his way out of the resultant self-inflicted situation.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Needs more Cyrillic.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I’m all “Why now?”

  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

      “Taco Bell. Natural.”

    • Ninja0980

      Nothing to worry about, no siree.

      • safari

        Methane from the ocean floor is natural.

        It just gets a problem when sea temperatures rise, and then it creates a positive warm-water-to-more-methane loop that ushers in a sudden global climate shift.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Actually it’s a common occurrence in the Gulf of Mexico as well.

      This is one of those things that are being studied. The jury is out on whether or not this is something driven by climate change, or part of a type of cycle. It’s complicated.

      But then there’s radar evidence of large underwater methane plumes off the coast of Iceland that have left geologic evidence of their ferocity.

      • Lazycrockett

        Yeah the show in any way was saying this is a bad thing, its a natural occurrence.

  • coram nobis

    It appears he had a bad conduct discharge (not DD) for domestic violence.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer

  • Lazycrockett

    The Ethereal Snailfish

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/285ad39e3803b2341a0a5d4e6cb28d79354dd5c6ced657e6bbb63efcc1441154.png

    The only fish that lives 5 miles below the ocean surface that has been discovered….as of yet.

    • safari

      Wherefore art though, C’thulu

  • Blake J Butler
    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Even the staging looks much more refined.

    • Treant

      Now, now, give him a break. He shoves food into his ham-catcher by the double handful, so he’d expect that fish eat the same way.

      Obama? Obama actually had some class.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Class? Compared with Trump Obama was all of the SAT prep courses combined.

    • Lazycrockett

      Drumpf is such a fucking buffoon. What an international embarrassment.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      My assumption of course is that they are at a koi pond. Anyone that has ever fed koi knows that unless you want to see a bunch of swirling, slithering blobs of fish is a big ass feeding frenzy clusterfuck of a knot, you spread out the food. But then I realized: It’s Trump; that’s what he’s good at creating.

  • AlternativeQuacks
    • Lazycrockett

      Which is a great time to fight among ourselves and ruin any chance of succeeding . Thanks Donna.

      • JCF

        AFAIC, Donna’s already OVER. Let’s not bring her up anymore, ‘kay?

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Joe,
    I’m confused by the title. Did the shooter use an AK-15, and AR-15, or an AK-47?
    I’m thinking AR-15, but not sure and wanted to confirm.

    • Lazycrockett

      AR 15 from what I have heard, read, seen.

    • safari

      Rebecca. These are words to me. Place holders for ideas. You know about this topic. What do these guns mean practically? (I’m not trying to make light of the difference, I *literally* don’t know. And from what I recall, you do.)

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        I know little of guns but I recall, that is THE gun of choice for mass death.

        • safari

          But I also recall “THE” gun is often a placeholder for “A” gun.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Rebecca has a chart above. It’s sadly the go to gun. It also is not regulated.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            It’s actually a very heavy regulated gun. The sad point is that it isn’t in all States and even in States where it is heavily regulated, like CA, there are so many loopholes to gun laws that it’s easy to own. Once you own it, if you are hell bent on mass murder, modifying the firearm to circumvent the regulations is very simple.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Well stated. I assumed that it was indeed *not regulated* as there are so damned many of them, with awful results as you noted.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        The AKs are Russian Kalashnikov rifles that fire the 7.62x39mm cartridge. A big .30 caliber rifle bullet that hurts and can go through one person, into another, etc.

        The AR-15 is the ArmaLite, basically an M-16, that fires the .223 cartridge. The .223 and is not something you would ever want to be hit by. It may only really be a .22 caliber, but the amount of pressure and muzzle velocity makes it a cartridge that always kills. The damage it does when it hits flesh is devastating. Also, the recoil is very low enabling the shooter to stay on target much easier.

        You can google 7.62 v. 5.56 and see the difference. The AR-15 has no civilian use. You don’t want to hunt with it and it’s overkill for home defense. I don’t own one because it’s just stupid.

    • JCF

      Ruger AR-15.

      This “bad bitch” (I’m talking specifically about the gun, here, but… )

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN52HprUQAEfaiB.jpg

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • safari

      What’s special about the AR-15?

      • Lazycrockett

        I think it has the most compatibility with add ons. I think.

      • TexasBoy

        A new drop-in trigger promises to turn your basic AR into a (nearly) full-auto rifle with no need for the onerous NFA licensing process.

        • Lazycrockett

          add a bump stock, god to go back a month when I didn’t know WTF that was.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          Actually you change/modify the “sear” to make it fully auto.

  • Cuberly Deux

    OT: Horrific AMERIKha brain bleach. Some things are happening, still….outside of a culture of doom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngd57zinWBU

    • safari

      You may have just given me something I need. I’m merging multi-hue elements with different … uh — darknesses … to express unity.

      • safari

        Or I’m looking for color theory, which is this is not, but I’m looking for a hammer for my nail. And drank wine.

        • Cuberly Deux

          The cacophony of information as posed by a click on a computer screen where one can voice an opinion….science somehow created a color that was never isolated before, yet, it happened.

          I’m sure the new color was twittered and faceborge’d to the masses and summarily ignored, or reposted on countless threads where it was again….ignored.

          SCIENCE!

          • safari

            Magenta.

            The color spectrum of natural light is from red to purple.

            The human mind sees blue and red and “wraps” the model (since the receptors for blue and red are different) and creates magenta.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            And the arts. The Musee de la Civilisation in Quebec had an exhibit from many years ago on only the color blue. It features prominently in art history, and is the “go to” for wealth along with gold. It’s quite a history there.

          • Lazycrockett

            I thought red was the go to for the wealth?

          • safari

            Black, white, red are the words we find in primitive works.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Red in glass was made from gold. The tint of red was not as expensive as lapis, which had little areas to mine. Violet was used for royalty, blue for the Virgin’s mantel.

          • safari

            And, when it was all said and done, red became the signal for stop via glass.

          • Lazycrockett

            Oh I was thinking the dyeing of cloth.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I’m pretty sure it was a lot of plants that red dye was made. There were a fair amount of them in temperate weather zones.

          • safari

            And RadioLab, the podcast, tells me blue is the last color defined by sophisticated cultures.

          • Treant

            Sure, but these days, to most people, color science is pretty well-established and features a nice, full color wheel. We’re centuries into the development of bright, durable synthetic colors. I can go to the Home Depot and get pretty much any hue that I, a normal, non-artist-type person, can think of.

            This isn’t the discovery of synthetic ultramarine, which changed art and decoration and even laundry detergent (ultramarine blue is used as an optical brightener; I use it in my own laundry soap for the same reason). It’s another set of colors on the wheel, which is nice…but not earth-shattering at this point.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Depends on the definition of earth shattering.

            I find that the creation of a novel color from natural pigments is intriguing, if nothing else to suggest that there are ways to consider the origin and art historical trajectory of other natural colors more fully. Example: the mining of lapis is always of intrigue simply due to how weird its connection is to painting history, particularly within the church. The path of its mining suggests early contacts between civilizations, and those trade routes may have led to some really interesting cultural, artistic, and sociological exchanges.

            YInMn blue suggests that we can use colors to not only play with light distribution but their properties, such as heat consolation or dispersal. That can be intriguing from an application perspective. It’s also cool that a student formulated recent color creations.

          • Treant

            Even the name “Ultramarine” (“Beyond the sea”) tells you it moved around a lot. It wasn’t a reference to the hue, but from where it came. Honestly, I find the modern synthetics to be of (of course) more consistent, but also a prettier color than the historic ground natural pigment.

            Ferro’s been making Cool Colors for years: http://www.ferro.com/NR/rdonlyres/7814B923-21C7-4E44-90B5-438F6AECE6A9/0/CoolColorsBrochure_EMEA_March2014.pdf

            That brochure is kind of old, but does include tons of visual black or deep gray pigments that are very reflective in the IR. Comparatively speaking.

      • Dayglo

        Remember when lavender used to be associated with all things gay, Mary? You don’t see that connection made nowadays, Miss Thing.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          I don’t know. Lavender is still pretty gay. That and old ladies. And people who like Provence.

    • safari

      Well, I counter with deadly colors
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKfjHTk8KrY

      • Treant

        I love the reaction when I tell people I use ferric ferrocyanide as a colorant.

        • William

          I worked with sulfuric acid, lye and 1,1,1-Trichloroethane. We had cyanide in the building but the company had stopped using it before I began working there.

    • Treant

      But can I color soap with them? 🙂

      (Fun fact: lye, with its hellishly high pH, tends to be hard on colors. Blue #1 turns a gorgeous purple, but most things just turn a dun gray or sickly brown. Synthetic ultramarine is widely used to achieve light to medium blues; combine with black iron oxide for darker blues.

      The holy grail of soap making is a perfect red, without tinge of orange or purple. Right now, we use Red #30, which is a bit orange, or combine various red hues to approximate red. I use Bramble Berry Red Mica, which is a tolerable red, but still with a tint of orange, or Red #30 if I’m being lazy.

      Using only “nature identical” [made in the lab, but identical to the chemical nature produces, just without the heavy metal contaminants] chemicals, the color choices are even more limited. Red iron oxide is about the only red.)

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        {Admits total ignorance: I never thought of soap; just paint and fibers.}

        • Treant

          If it’s ever commercially available, and if it’s ever cheap enough to be used as a soap or cosmetic colorant, it’ll still be ages before the color is approved for cosmetic use.

          YInMn Blue looks extremely close in hue to ultramarine blue (just add a dash of titanium dioxide to lighten it), which is already known to be safe and stable plus very cheap. So it’s unlikely to capture much of the market as we don’t concern ourselves with IR reflection…just UV stability.

          http://www.justpaint.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CoBl_YInMn-Bl_UB_GOLDEN_Masstones-copy.jpg

    • greenmanTN

      There used to be a paint color called Mummy Brown which was made from ground up mummies. When Egyptian archaeology was relatively new Europeans were shipping literally tons of mummies back home. But for every king, queen, or historically important mummy there were bunches of bureaucrats, servants, minor functionaries, and cats. What to do with them? Grind them up of course. At least one painter is said to have given his tubes of Mummy Brown a Christian burial upon learning they contained human remains.

      My current fascination is Vantablack, the darkest material known, as it absorbs over 99.9% of light. Remember the old Warner Bros cartoons where someone had invented a black disc, a portable hole? Vantablack looks like that, reducing 3D objects to 2D appearance because you can no longer see the detail that shows depth.

      https://youtu.be/9v0_fID_jvA

      Vantablack is not generally available to artists. One sculptor, Anish Kapoor, has purchased the exclusive rights to use it, which has understandably pissed off other artists.

      https://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cloud-gate-ventablack-lede.jpg

      A British paintmaker has developed an acrylic paint nearly as dark and that is commercially available. I’ve been looking for a US outlet but have yet to find one. If I can’t find it here I will buy some and have it shipped, depending on the cost of course. The same paintmaker has “the pinkest pink” and “the glitteriest glitter.”

      http://stuartsemple.com/store/#black-v1-0-beta-worlds-mattest-flattest-black-art-material

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        …that is just wicked cool….

        Yes, I recall those cartoons and that is a great way to note it. I want to get some just to see the effect on a 3d object– or on canvas. Talk about a existentialist view!

      • Bomer

        Ok, I definitely want that black paint!

        • greenmanTN

          Pretty cool, huh?

    • greenmanTN

      My favorite source for drawing/writing ink is Noodler’s Ink.

      http://noodlersink.com

      They have a LOT of colors and I like to draw with a fountain pen then go back over it with watercolor. In order to do that you need an ink that is water soluble when liquid, so as not to gum up the works of a fountain pen, but becomes waterproof when dry so you can use wet media over it. You need a chart to tell which of Noodler’s inks have that quality, but they do have them. Because I wanted paler versions of some of their colors I have thinned them down with distilled water and they still maintain their water resistance when dry.

      And the company makes cool videos to market their pigments. https://youtu.be/a0azaLcPKWU

  • Lazycrockett

    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/927415205872664579

    The way Dale is describing this sounds like a complete clusterfuck.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      What. The. Fuck.

      Love to see context on that one.

      • Lizard

        My guess would be that the Japanese leaders have been fully briefed on Drumpf’s narcissistic personality and are flattering him accordingly.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          “And next up on how to fill a black hole…..”

          Sisyphus has nothing on that aim.

        • AlternativeQuacks

          Abe followed that up by saying that there has never before been an American president with such beautiful hair and such large hands. /s

          • RoFaWh

            Hello.

            I’m from the Thought Police. May I see your snark license?

        • JCF

          この

          This.

    • Rebecca Gardner
    • Treant

      “Now just sign here for favorable trade with Japan, Mr. President. Does that tiny pen fit in your enormous hands?”

    • William

      Early onset Stockholm Syndrome?

    • BobSF_94117

      Abe seems like a real dick. So maybe it’s true.

  • NZArtist

    Just think how the news reports would have read, and how the conservative commentators would be screeching if it was a gay man shooting his husband and child.

  • Lazycrockett
  • EdA

    It seems that the thoughts and prayers from the last gun-related mass casualty didn’t work any better than those from the one before that …. and those from the one before that ….. and ….

    Republiscum “thoughts and prayers” … I think I’ll pray that no one actually expects me to be part of the solution, and not part of the problem. I really need the campaign contributions.”

  • Lazycrockett
    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Wait, what? That’s not going to happen. And that won’t solve NK even if it did.

      • RoFaWh

        Look: Trump is an ignoramus. His verbal spewings mean very little, or at least they would if Trump didn’t have the nuclear codes.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Treant

      Doesn’t the Japanese Constitution kind of preclude that sort of action?

      I mean, not that I think defense breaks that clause in the slightest, but the Japanese seem superlatively uninterested in military dominance these days.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Yep, I do believe it does.

        No way that Trump is going to know that.

        • Treant

          He hasn’t even read OUR Constitution.

          • RoFaWh

            He can’t.

            Illiterate, or very close to that.

            And his vocabulary is so impoverished that even if he could read it, he wouldn’t understand it.

            Even worse, the US Constitution nowhere contains the word “Trump”.

        • RoFaWh

          Trump knows next to nothing besides stereotypes learned from his father.

      • Karl Dubhe

        The Japanese still have a military, it’s focused on self-defence. So, an anti missile system wouldn’t violate their constitution.

        And really, if Japan ever really thought they really needed to have a military that could operate offensively their constitution would change quickly.

        • RoFaWh

          In fact, Japan calls its military the “Self-defense Force”. To some extent, the SDF is used as shock troops to deal with emergencies and catastrophes.

          It’s quite remarkable how fast the SDF was on the scene doing helpful things (not fucking thoughts and prayers) after the March 2011 tsunami.

    • BobSF_94117

      So Mr. No Negotiation is suddenly talking about tangential trust-building moves?

      His base probably thinks he’s so innovative…

  • GanymedeRenard

    I’m sure it’s been said before by other fellow JMGers on this thread, but this is another case of a white, male, Christian TERRORIST acting within his own national borders. And yet, somehow, the best idea to occur to this administration is to ban Muslim immigrants because of a prejudice that’s likely to have been born out of racism/xenophobia.

    • RoFaWh

      Trump day by day makes it clear he’s a racist (and a misogynist).

      Edit: He’s also a xenophobe. Thanks for reminding me of that useful word.

      • GanymedeRenard

        My pleasure. 🙂

  • obarthelemy

    Guns for all. Because you want every fist fight to be a gunfight.

  • DaddyRay

    I sometimes wonder if we can still call the US a first world country

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Depends. Does irrelevant preclude first world status?

      • DaddyRay

        When you look at our healthcare, income wage disparity, incarceration rates, death penalty and gun policies we seem pretty backwards from other nations called First World

        • Lars Littlefield

          Once you’ve lived in a country such as Canada, Spain, Japan, Germany or most of post war western Europe, many aspects of life in the USA are definitely 3rd world — and much more undemocratic.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Paradise vs. Power.

            FYI: We lost.

          • RoFaWh

            My secret prayer to Cthulhu is that a mass shooting takes place at a gathering of the hyper-rich.

            Gun control laws would follow immediately.

        • whollyfool
    • Michael R

      It’s wobbling along on autopilot for the time being ,
      we have no leaders .

    • Halou

      America is now a ‘second world country’, based on the original definition of the term when it was invented during the Cold War.
      First world = western nations.
      Second world = Soviet nations.
      Third world = nominally non-aligned nations.

    • MBear

      No

  • AlternativeQuacks

    OT – A woman just got elected mayor of Montreal for the first time. So now Paris, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona, Zurich, Stockholm, Washington DC, Sydney, Tokyo and Montreal all have women mayors at the same time.

    • Nychta

      San Juan, Puerto Rico, too! Love how Mayor Yulin Cruz is marshaling resources to help those still suffering after hurricane Maria.
      https://twitter.com/CarmenYulinCruz/status/927303526589648897

      • AlternativeQuacks

        Oops. Yes. Don’t know how I could have forgotten her.

        • Nychta

          Didn’t mean my comment as criticism. I’ve become a fan of Mayor Yulin Cruz and wanted her to be included.

      • Halou

        Why are there people still suffering from the aftermath of that hurricane? It happened more than a month ago now!

        • BobSF_94117

          How long do you think it would take to raise every power pole and restring every electrical wire for 50 miles in every direction around you?

      • KarenAtFOH

        And the Navy hospital ship Comfort remains at anchor, virtually empty.

        • SoCalGal20

          No it doesn’t. It’s in port and was at least 75% full as of last week.

    • Lars Littlefield

      And Salt Lake City has a lesbian. Progress is being made. Not enough progress, but some.

    • TuuxKabin

      Thank you for that list. I’m gathering women leaders’ images for a ‘piece’, started out as a SHERos project, but for promoting women leadership as well, will include The mayors of those cities. It’s always in the timing for me.

    • New Orleans is going to elect her first female mayor as well. There’s a runoff, but both candidates are women.

  • motordog

    Well, we can be pretty certain he was neither an alcoholic or a atheist, because the 700 Club advises us that those circumstances can lead to assassination by God.

  • Michael R
    • greenmanTN

      I don’t know about those specific koi and their eating habits, but the dumbfuck might have just killed those fish by doing that.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        I used to raise koi. It would be like sharks and a pound of flesh, blood, whatever in a small container. It’s the writhing and jostling against each other that may hurt them. I don’t know if they would die. They would possibly become injured (spines on fins and torn scales come to mind, depending on the type of koi). But as far as aesthetics and giving a shit about what can only be described as truly gorgeous and venerated fish: yea, none of that with Trump’s treatment.

    • Halou

      Culturally insensitive behaviour. The mob of Nazi, sorry, “alt-right” Trump supporters must be overjoyed.

    • blackstar
    • KarenAtFOH

      This picture is destined to be the cover of a soon-to-be-best-selling book entitled “The Zen of Being a Fucking Asshole”.

    • Dramphooey

      Well, at least he didn’t throw paper towels at them.

  • Halou

    I could tell as much when the radio here played a clip of what Trump said on the matter. Blaming mental health and saying that something like this could not have been predicted. He didn’t even call the shooter a deranged animal like he did the last mass murderer.
    At a specific level these things can’t be predicted, but generally speaking these incidents are all but a certainty in the United States.

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  • Dazzer

    After this number of mass shootings, the problem isn’t the ‘mental illness’ of the individual shooter – it’s the mental illness of the entire society.

    The American population – as a whole – has made it clear that it is prepared to accept mass shootings as an acceptable part of American existence.

    Everyone knows that if yo ueat too much, drink too much or smoke too much, it’s going to adversely affect your health. But millions continue doing it every day of the week without embarking on the hard work of improving their health.

    Everyone knows that these massacres are excessive in a grown-up society, but the population doesn’t think mass killings is something to worry about or will become something to worry about in the near future for the body of their country.

    • JackFknTwist

      I agree.
      The concept of everyone being entitled to own a gun is a primitive concept best left behind in 1789.
      The whole ‘militia’ idea is a similar outdated concept.
      But US has never embraced the idea of ‘society’, the idea of a social order, the concept of the common good and a shared distributed society.

      Instead USA has clinged to an ‘American dream’…..which is nothing more than an individualized self regarding concept…….an idea that each individual can make it !! That ‘American dream’ notion leaves no room for social duties, no room for a national health system with care for all. USA still worships the idea of individuals getting mega wealthy and it doesn’t give a damn at whose expense that is achieved. Mega bonuses, mega money laundering, mega borrowings from enemies of the state. As long as the individual self aggrandizes as much as possible he is admired as a fulfilment of the ‘American Dream’.

      Just look at how this ‘get wealthy’ concept has poisoned the medical profession in the US. Doctors & Hospitals charge unimaginable fees…..as much as they can get away with, as distinct from what is reasonable.

      ‘Individualism’, aka selfishness has even been elevated to a political ideology, Libertarianism. In my opinion that ideology is execrable.

      Massacres occur because of the availability of guns.
      All societies have the mentally deranged.
      But in other societies such weapons are not readily available to the mentally deranged as they are in the USA.

      The USA needs a formulation of what a society is, namely, that everyone looks out for each other, that everyone has a feeling of making the social fabric better for all……that it’s not about individual liberty…..it’s about the community standards we create and share.

      And this ‘American dream’ illusion needs to be buried in the same tomb as ‘Manifest Destiny’, ‘American Exceptionalism’ & ‘Greatest Country in the World’.

      It’s time to move on from the Wild West.

    • The_Wretched

      The masses? No, it’s gun owners and the Republican leaders who like donations and weak spined dems who see massive support for gun regs but do nothing (since single issue voters are the squeaker wheel).

    • RoFaWh

      The United States is in no sense a “grown up society”.

      It used to be, but not now. I’m not sure just when the change-over took place.

  • Halou

    Twitter is currently full of shitheads saying the Democratic party did this as an attack against Trump, that the shooter was an atheist who hated god and, no joke, people calling for the deportation and/or “disappearance” of Muslims. Like that’s going to stop white people committing mass murder.

    • JCF

      “Twitter is currently full of shitheads”

      Russian bots.

  • BeaverTales

    “These people are merciful people. A lot of them will be forgiving with what happened.”

    If it was a Muslim, brown person, LGBT man or atheist, they would not say this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/first-baptist-church/index.html

    • Dramphooey

      Well, they’re not actually forgiving anything. Christian forgiveness is this phony demand to pretend you forgive someone and is as empty as “thoughts and prayers.”

  • Puck

    Those crazy christians! Trying to help each other to get into heaven quicker!

  • Tomcat

    DOMESTIC TERRORISM PLAIN AND SIMPLE TRUMP!

  • Tomcat

    Please trump tell us again how some of the so called christians might be good people.

  • Tomcat

    Republicans talking about gun control this morning,,, AGAINST IT.

  • Tomcat

    Just consider the shooting dead, chosen sacrifices to the GUN GOD.

  • TuuxKabin
  • SoCalGal20

    BOOM. Jr’s in big trouble if this story is true.

    https://twitter.com/natsecgeek/status/927495250091929600

    • JackFknTwist

      This is what we all are certain went on.
      I hope Mueller & team can prove this.
      The House of Trump/turd was in negotiations with the Russians about the repeal of economic sanctions.

      At a time when the President of the United States was throwing out 35 Russian operatives in the closing weeks of his presidency, the incoming Trump/turd felons were undermining the sitting President’s executive actions.
      If that’s not treason, it’s as close as not to make a damn bit of difference.

    • JCF

      Putin cutting his losses? [But I’m not sure her testimony will carry much weight. Fur’ner and all. Is she now changing her testimony?]

  • gaycuckhubby
  • gaycuckhubby
    • Treant

      There’s a lesson here. “Don’t fuck your daughter” does come to mind, of course, but that’s not it.

      Something about eggs and a single basket. It may be a bit harder to find something when it’s only in one basket, but once you do…you have all the eggs.

    • JackFknTwist

      Yes, another formulation of the old adage, “Don’t s hit on your own doorstep.”

  • Leo

    OT. Black community saw right through his minstrel act. Monstrous individual.

    Hope he’s cancelled.
    https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/927502459752402944

    • Mickey Bitsko

      He’s certainly earned it, but that was a lame article imho. Instead of going into the related issue of Harvey’s notorious misogyny, it veers off into an irrelevant old story about Ben Vereen.

      • Cipher

        Misogyny and homophobia. Steve’s act was tired to begin with.

        Trump will pressure the Justice Department to hire him as to read out the lists of indictments to the press? Instant plausible – “mistake, not me/him/us” from the WH…

  • gaycuckhubby
    • BobSF_94117

      Uh. Their conclusion makes no sense. People who are most likely to vote in mid-terms are consistent. People who voted in 2014 are committed Dems and committed Republicans, people who would most often vote and are least likely to switch parties. What’s significant is the broad split among those who are CERTAIN to vote in 2018.

  • netxtown

    there is so much that can be said – yet the asses in DC pay no mind to the slaughtered innocents other than their ‘thoughts and prayers”. But then, dead people are notorious for not voting….

  • joe ho

    No surprise. His god is a genocidal killer. The Christers are supposed to model themselves on their god.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Breitbart and other alt-right sites are claiming he’s an atheist. The fringes are calling him an antifa communist.

    (Sigh)

    https://www.snopes.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

    • -M-

      Bots and trolls.

  • DesertSun59

    All over Twitter, Russian bots were immediately identifying the shooter as an atheist. They did so with not a shred of evidence.

    And now we know he was a Bible study teacher.

  • Jeff Breeze

    If I have to hear one more thoughts and prayers comment, im gonna hurl

    • RoFaWh

      Thoughts and prayers!

      Proughts and thayers!

      Hurled yet?

  • Jeffrey

    Well, wounds like no crime was committed then. White christian sunday school teacher bought guns and murdered people. I guess we can continue on doing nothing about the gun problem that we definitely don’t have.

  • Right wing media spin liars claim the gunman to have been an “atheist” who “hated religion.”

    I think the “former bible study teacher” citation is likely much more accurate – and this morning the most likely M.O. was revealed – his ex in-laws attend that church (but were not there on Sunday) – it is highly likely that they were the intended targets.

  • Paula

    I see lots of crying people on TV sobbing Why? Why. I wonder what they were saying after the Pulse shooting?

    • JWC

      that they deserved it

  • Andymac3

    The Daily Mail posting a story about him being a proud atheist online, ignoring the fact that he was a bible study teacher and his ex girlfriend said he was a religious fundamentalist, and scary with it. Oh, and then the anti-fa stories all coming from the Russian trolls with their fake pictures, and his bearded pic shaded to make him look more middle eastern, cos, you know, NRA, gun lovers, white christian men can’t be terrorists or abusers. SMDH