Netflix Cuts Ties With Kevin Spacey As Scandal Grows

The BBC reports:

Entertainment company Netflix has severed ties with Kevin Spacey, star of its House of Cards show, amid a number of sex assault allegations against him. Netflix said it would hold talks with the producers to see if production, which was suspended this week, could resume without Spacey. Netflix also said it would not release Spacey’s film about writer Gore Vidal.

Meanwhile, police in the UK have opened an investigation into the American actor over an alleged sexual assault. A British actor said he had woken up to find Spacey performing a sex act on him in 2008, the Sun newspaper reported. The man is said to have run from the property after Spacey allegedly said: “Don’t tell anyone about this.”

Variety reports:

On Thursday, Spacey was dropped by CAA and his longtime publicist, Staci Wolfe. On Friday, Scotland Yard opened an investigation into the veteran actor in response to an allegation that he sexually assaulted a male thesp in London. As Variety exclusively reported, Netflix is mulling a “House of Cards” spinoff in an attempt to save its flagship series.

Media Rights Capitol, producer of the series, said it would “continue to evaluate a creative path forward for the program during the hiatus.” Spacey, who is also an executive producer on “House of Cards,” is currently seeking “self-evaluation and treatment” as claims of sexual misconduct pile up.

  • AJ Drew
    • Mark Cross

      Wow. I hadn’t even read of those allegations.

    • MBear

      Hello? Guy rapes women = str8…so…

      • gaycuckhubby

        Bullshit

      • Adults vs children.

    • TexasBoy

      Leah Remini’s A&E series about Scientology seems to be spot on in this case.

      • AJ Drew

        sadly, yes, it does.

      • Steverino

        Scientology sometimes seems to me like a high-tech version of Westboro, but with a happy face: clannish, cultish, and lawsuit-happy, but more diffuse about the things and people they hate, and not as virulently or obviously anti-gay.

        Kind of like Scientology being like the Koch Brothers / Mercer Family, and Westboro being like the Tea Party / Trumpanistas.

        • TexasBoy

          Scientology is is prejudiced and deadly toward gay uses any other conservative religion

    • SoCalGal20

      I hadn’t heard about the allegations against Masterson.

      Hypocrisy in Hollywood? What?! Seriously, though, Masterson should be under the same scrutiny as Spacey. Is there a Scientologist in power at Netflix or do they have some leverage there?

      • AJ Drew

        Good question, though Netflix does stream “My Scientology Movie,” (not a flattering depiction of Scientology,) which would suggest there isn’t a stronghold, but who knows.

        • SoCalGal20

          It’s probably just a double standard but I am curious if they have some other reason for treating Masterson differently than Spacey.

          • bobbybear.i.am

            It’s “straight” rape so it’s not as titillating and also the Cloak of Scientology is massive.

          • e jerry powell

            As I said upthread, Scientology frowns upon members filing charges against other members.

      • e jerry powell

        Part of it is that the women he assaulted are also Scientologists. The church considers members who file charges on other members to be Supressive Persons, so oftentimes the church squashes things before cherges get that far.

    • gaycuckhubby

      There will be

    • Gigi

      Scientologists are good a strong arming the police and shutting this shit down.

    • R W C

      Seems to me the legal hair being split: Netflix’s relationship with Spacey as Executive Producer is not equivalent to Netflix’s relationship with Masterson as merely a ‘Star.’ Netflix had a business agreement with Spacey and Masterson has a business agreement with producers of The Ranch,

      • e jerry powell

        Producers of The Ranch = Ashton Kutcher, for what that’s worth.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Oh, Kevin, honey, you hid in that glass enclosed closet so long, no wonder you tried to keep it all secret.

  • David L. Caster

    This is all such a mess. What is wrong with people that they can’t manage the most basic consideration of each other.

    • KarenAtFOH

      Hell, we vote them into office and let them take away our rights to our bodies, our money, and our health.

      • David L. Caster

        What’s this “we” you write of?

        • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

          ‘Murikans.

    • Gerry Fisher

      Not to be super overly shrinky about this, but the cases were so numerous and egregious that it seemed almost as if he was trying really hard to get caught. A temporary stop-gap for someone acting out in a thrashing, possibly self harming way is a tight embrace or some other external restraint (“I know you can’t stop that, so I’ll help you…I’ll ‘provide a holding'”).

      The thing about Trump is how he managed to go 60+ years with his acting out without anyone being able to stop him (maybe Ivanka temporarily at the end of their marriage, and even then…).

      • licuado de platano

        Ivanka is his daughter I believe

        • Judas Peckerwood

          They were (not so) secretly married.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    I surmise Kevin will be joining Roman Polanski living safely in Switzerland.

  • boobert

    Now we’re just getting vague accusations to sell newspapers. It’s all becoming a little silly.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Or more victims are coming forward because they now feel safe.

  • blackstar
    • Dayglo

      Blackstar, I was such a huge Bowie devotee and a Soul Train fan and I recall waiting all week to catch this performance over 40(!) freaking years ago. He didn’t disappoint. David come back and maybe bring cranky old Lou Reed with you.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Also 8 crew members of House of Cards have accused him of harrasement. And a man has alleged that Spacey had a sexual relationship with him when he was 14 and it ended in an attempted rape

    • AlternativeQuacks

      Apparently, he also exposed himself to a bartender in Britain and then gave him his (very expensive) watch to not say anything about it.

    • Goodboy

      Actually started when he was 12 but Spacey waited till he was 14 for the sexual relationship.

  • downtownla

    Just out of curiosity, what does the Bible say about rape? (I’m Buddhist. I really don’t know the answer to this.)

    • TexasBoy

      Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”

      Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.”

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        …and the scamvengelicals want biblical law…

        • Daveed_WOW

          They really don’t. They are classic cherry-pickers. They don’t want to help the poor, for example.

          • Bluto

            They want THEIR version of law. The biblical part is there to give it unquestionable legitimacy & unbridled power.

          • Steverino

            They are cherry-picking when they are not cherry-popping.

      • CanuckDon

        It’s so cut and dry….one doesn’t even have to think. Just look it up in the rule book of life. Quick…someone look up what it says about treating the poor and about having too much wealth.

    • ohbear1957
  • gaycuckhubby

    Since it’s being discussed… it wouldn’t hurt some gay men to learn/expect boundaries in queer spaces.
    #MeToo

    • Ninja0980

      I agree.
      Suffice to say, more then once the hubby and I have had to experience unwanted touching in gay bars etc.
      Not fun at all.

      • Schlukitz

        I totes agree. A friendly pat on the shoulder is nice but it’s the ass-grabbing/groping that I can do without.

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      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        YES. When I was at my “pretty” peak — somewhere between a twink and a Scandinavian outdoorsman — I’d hate it when older guys would want to buy me a drink or go out for coffee, only to have them grope me in the car on the way out. And I say grope, I mean GROPE. Needless to say, I shut things down quickly, but more often than not they were pissed that they didn’t get the “intimacy” (their word) they felt I owed them. The worst part was that they kept pursuing me anyway for weeks afterwards.

    • KBlackie

      Yes! Thank you for saying this. Its something I’ve struggled with within the gay community for a while. Although I’ve probably let it dictate my relationship with the community a little too much. Trying to find a way forward now. I need more gay friends in my life (although, JMG is where I find a lot of connection in some small way, if that makes sense).

    • JCF

      Including online. I helped co-found a BTVS discussion board (early Aughts). The other co-founder later pursued me (off of the board). When I rebuffed her advances—she locked me out of the board!

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Men don’t hold the asshole monopoly as you’ve experienced.

    • SFHarry

      I think at this point we really need to distinguish between some guy patting someone on the butt at a gay bar and someone in power threatening your career, physically dominating you, or forcing sex on you in a way I haven’t thought of. When we dilute sexual abuse/rape by categorizing all unwanted physical touching in with everything else we harm those who have been actually sexually abused or raped. I think Kevin spacey did sexually abuse these young actors he had some power over but the patting of someones butt in a bar is way different than having your boss or someone in an industry you are trying to get ahead in jumping in your bed and doing something you don’t want done.
      Boundaries are a good thing. I’m just feeling that some people want to share in the victimhood and by doing so harm the actual victims.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        “I think at this point we really need to distinguish between some guy patting someone on the butt at a gay bar and someone in power threatening your career, physically dominating you, or forcing sex on you in a way I haven’t thought of.”

        The point is, if that pat on the ass is unwanted contact, then it IS a problem.

        • SFHarry

          My guess and assumption is that we are both on the same side of the issue- that sexual harassment is not okay. That being said, my comment has to do with grouping of more severe types of sexual harassment with lesser annoying forms of it. The best way I can explain it is through an example. If a woman tells me she has been sexually abused or raped I then don’t go on to relate to her my story of the time a guy in a bar stuck his finger in my mouth without me knowing he was doing it. It was truly disgusting, invasive and humiliating but it is not to the level of her experience. It is sometimes not all that helpful to group minor grievances in with major complaints as it only dilutes them. I’ve had my butt slapped in a bar and am pretty sure the experience was nothing like having a boss tell me to suck his dick or I’ll be run out of the industry I am working in.

      • AaronSF

        Well to be fair, nobody is accusing spacey of simply patting them on the butt, or even groping without permission (the one guy he groped, he also followed into the bathroom and had to be fought off physically, allegedly).

        I feel you though, we are a sex positive community, and I want us to keep having that, I want us to have dive bars and sex clubs and puppy piles etc… but all of the allegations against spacey go significantly beyond mutual sexual interest.

        Personally I think netflix is jumping the gun. Innocent until proven guilty. The reason we kind of all decided that Weinstein and O’Riley were guilty is because they settled out of court for huge sums of money, which is the rich person version of paying for your crimes. Spacey, to my knowledge, hasn’t done that and deserves a fair trial before we decide to publicly demonize him.

        And frankly if everything is true, I don’t think that makes him inhuman or demonic, just severely flawed and responsible.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I totally see your point, and perhaps it’s different for men in general. I’m a woman and if a man I don’t know pats my ass, he’s going to get a fist in his face.

        I had my breast grabbed while in Turkey and I did punch the man that did it. It may not be a full on sexual assault, but it was an unwanted touch or intimacy from a total stranger and it felt invasive.

    • Wynter Marie Starr

      It wouldn’t hurt some men, gay or straight to learn boundaries in all spaces.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Very true!

      • Circ09

        YES. So much of this comes down to male entitlement in our society.

  • Hunter M

    But he’s getting “treatment”! /s

  • Gustav2

    “self-evaluation and treatment”

    • Steverino

      Is that what the kids call masturbation these days?

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Masturbation while navel gazing.

  • canoebum

    I’ve never been much of a Spacey fan, though I’ll admit he is a good actor, but this is starting to feel a bit overdone. The piling on is in itself becoming unseemly. Unlike some of the others accused of similar behavior recently, at least Spacey has apologized and is (reportedly) trying to make changes. That said, the closet is a warped space that eventually warps the people living in it.

    • j.martindale

      I personally don’t see a significant difference between the way this is handled and the way Weinstein has been. The ONE difference is the way tRump is being treated. THAT is a scandal above all others.

      • BobSF_94117

        Weinstein RAPED women.

        • j.martindale

          Has been “accused” of rape. So has tRump.

    • John30013

      If these allegations were all fake then I would agree this is “piling on”; but assuming they’re true (and that’s my assumption) then it’s more like the dam bursting, and it seems that Spacey’s power and prestige in the entertainment industry has allowed him to get away with sexual harassment and assault for a long time. The people he assaulted deserve to have their voices heard.

      • canoebum

        I definitely agree the victims deserve to be heard, and compensation/restitution made. I was referring to the corporate reaction, which seems to me to be more about their own PR and less about concern for the victims. There’s a lot of CYA going on in these organizational denunciations. Doubtless, most of the now shocked parties knew about Spacey’s behavior for years and were happy to keep making the money as long as it was kept quiet. I’m not making any excuses for Spacey, but there’s a fair amount of hypocrisy being spread around on the business end of this scandal.

        • They are in a panic. Spacey has a movie that was scheduled to come out this fall. Do they release it anyway? Let it go directly to video and take a huge loss? He certainly can’t go on a publicity tour like this.

          For House of Cards, I’d pick up the show with a time jump after Frank’s sudden death and let Robin Wright finish the show and tie up all the loose ends. She’s more than capable of carrying that show (plus the supporting cast is first rate). But even that kind of move might still get them backlash. In a business where perception is everything, this kind of bad PR taints everything. Spacey is done.

          • e jerry powell

            Netflix nixed Gore when they stepped away from Spacey. The film has been in post-production to this point.

        • John30013

          Agree 100% about the corporate CYA response.

        • BobSF_94117

          What is the appropriate compensation for a drunken grope in a bar?

          • canoebum

            A twisted wrist?

      • Daveed_WOW
    • Andrea_Rae

      I look at it in the exact opposite way. I initially thought it was an overreaction to destroy him over one allegation but as more allegations make their way out the odds that one or more of them are true increases. Sexual predators deserve no quarter and serial sexual predators deserve no second chance.

      • People in the industry knew that there were dozens of allegations over the years. There were even a couple of lawsuits settled out of court. That’s why there was such a reaction. If this had been an isolated event long ago, it would have been different. But everyone knew.

    • The reason for the reaction is that some of us have been hearing stories about Spacey for YEARS. The anger is warranted. This has gone on way too long and throughout the entertainment industry. it’s not just film but theater, opera, etc. Almost everyone has a story. Some worse than others, but all inappropriate. That’s the reason for the anger. it’s not just this one event but decades of events that have never been dealt with.

      • BobSF_94117

        Are we going to “deal with” decades of “inappropriate” by destroying careers now? What percentage of Hollywood males do you think will fall? 70% 80%?

        • Judas Peckerwood

          Good riddance to bad trash.

        • Circ09

          Yes. If it is 70 or 80 percent, then so be it. There is no shortage of talented people waiting in the wings to take their places. Those careers deserve to be over. This is decades long overdue for a massive sea change in the entertainment industry. It’s time to put real policies in place to protect workers and end the entitled little shits comfortable place to abuse.

  • kladinvt

    The false-sense of male privilege, coupled with a certain income level or status makes for a toxic mental-mix that’s harmful to anyone crossing their paths. Egotism at its worst.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Sexual predators usually learn it at home.

  • Jeffg166

    One wonders who will be left in Hollywood once this ball gets rolling. Power, money and sex is a very old story. How much of it will spill over into the business world and the political world. It’s everywhere.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      The question is how do we (in a collective society way) raise kids NOT to buy into this especially when the male kids would be told they’d get instant power over all the female kids or in the case of the female kids, told by men & churches that they’re wrong/evil if they don’t put up with a lot of shit.

    • The problem in Hollywood and in a few other industries is that there are far more people trying to get work than there are jobs. If someone was sexually harassing nurses, they could easily find other jobs in other hospitals. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but people just don’t have to put up with much of that. The power imbalance between a young actor and a studio head is immense. They might not ever get another break like this. Most actors don’t. Do they put up with it and risk never getting a leading role in a film or do they stand up for themselves and walk away (as many, it turns out, did). There’s no HR department to protect you if you make a complaint. There would be an army of lawyers to sue you into the next world if you said anything. And you can tell how scared everyone is about that by the times when publications edited out names. Anthony Rapp told the Advocate the story about Kevin Spacey years ago and they wouldn’t print the name. I get not wanting to be sued, but that just shows the power someone some of these people have and how much the press and others in their industry feel they must comply.

    • Daveed_WOW

      They’ll just have to rethink their strategies. If they can’t build productions on sexual exploitation, they’ll have to use a merit-based system instead. Coming soon: all movies will star Paul Giamatti and Laurie Metcalf.

  • Tiger Quinn

    This is so god damned irritating.

    On the one side is my being pissed at the hypocrisy coming from gay men, who damn well KNOW what’s right and wrong within our own community, including sex acts and ages of consent. Yet the pearl clutching about “underage victims,” when I know half you bitches totally screwed the janitor when you were 13, is just ridiculous. Also that straight people have any right trying to join this conversation.

    On the other is Fuck Kevin Spacey And His Eternal Closet.

    So….I’m torn.

    • William

      No no, it was a teacher from a different high school when I was 16.

    • Dicky

      I think society missed the boat on the conversation about childhood and adulthood that should have taken place at the latest by the early 80s, when teen sexuality was really being mainstreamed. There is a different gay site that I read that basically implies that Mary Kay LeTourneau should not have made such a huge splash. In that vein, they said that “pedophile” is dictionary meaning only, thus does not cover any minor who is pubescent or adolescent, and so is totally incorrect when discussing Spacey.
      The other thing is that “underage victims” plays way better in Peoria, even if the closet was able to hide it for so long. Regular sexual assault does not seem to have much cachet in comparison.

      Isn’t one of the expected outcomes of mainstream coming out and assimilation that “gay adolescence” corresponds with physical adolescence due to larger populations? So there should be fewer intergenerational stories as time goes on?

    • Goodboy

      Uh, no.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Well. As long as the welfare of the victims of harassment don’t concern you.

  • marshlc

    I’m fairly willing to kinda sorta overlook questionable sexual behaviour from many years ago. From back before the conversation society has been having for the last thirty years, back when it was only considered rape if a stranger was holding a knife to your throat.

    I know I had experiences back in the seventies that would without question now be regarded as sexual assault, but my reaction at the time was more “Well, I’m certainly never going out with HIM again, what a jerk” and that’s all.

    But somebody who has been keeping it up all along? Who’s been paying even minimal attention for the last thirty or forty fucking years and instead of going “Damn, I did some things back in the day that were really not right, I’d better watch out and not be that asshole anymore”, but to just continue on the same way?

    Sorry, Spacey. You’re a good actor and you’ve been in some great movies, but you are obviously a piece of shit as a human being.

    • Upvote for this, “Sorry, Spacey. You’re a good actor and you’ve been in some great movies, but you are obviously a piece of shit as a human being.”

    • BobSF_94117

      What, out of all the allegations against Spacey, do you think qualifies as rape?

      • Goodboy

        Kids can’t consent so automatically rape.

        • BobSF_94117

          But there wasn’t any sex!

          • Goodboy

            We all know where he wanted to go with Rapp and Spacey likes his boys young.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        “A British actor said he had woken up to find Spacey performing a sex act on him in 2008…”

  • itsnwman

    We learn to like “ stars” because of the roles they play. We begin to think they are above being human because of the publicity they receive. Social media leads you to believe stars are Hollywood Royalty that should be followed.

    No one should be surprised or shocked at the abuse of power that determines which actor will be put in a role. A few individuals are in charge of hiring. A movie, television, or radio position has thousands of hopefuls competing for it. The abuse of power occurs on both the hiring and hired side of this equation.

    People know the game when they enter the field.

  • BarbWire

    This upsets me on so many levels. It upsets me because I love Spacey as an actor – no one can do a slow burn of rage like he can – and I hate to see his career ruined, as it definitely is. It upsets me because he has never come out publicly and I have no doubt that living in the professional closet contributed to his warped behavior. It upsets me because he has left a trail of victims who have obviously felt abused by him over the years. Mainly it upsets me because here’s more fodder for the antigay right to tar gay people with: “See? See? They’re all pedophiles. Told you.” Anything that gives them ammunition to rally against us drives me nuts. No matter how many sick fucks they have in their ranks – they forgive them, pronounce them washed clean by the blood of the lamb, and then give them another TV show.

    • William

      The program ‘Seventh Heaven’ is airing on one of our digital secondary channels. I guess that means the moratorium against Stephen Collins has ended.

    • BobSF_94117

      It doesn’t help that you use the word “pedophile” at all.

      • Goodboy

        He’s describing how they’re talking about Spacey. Not his personal opinion.

  • Daveed_WOW

    My personal shit list:
    Harvey Wienstein
    Russell Crowe
    Sean Connery
    Sean Penn
    Woody Allen
    Michael Fassbender
    Johnny Depp
    Mike Tyson
    Josh Brolin
    Mel Gibson
    Gary Oldman
    James Toback
    Bill O’Reilly
    Roger Ailes
    Michael Jackson
    Mark Halperin
    Matt Taibbi
    Mark Ames
    Terry Richardson
    Roman Polansky
    Kevin Spacey
    Bryan Singer
    Jay-Z
    Gerard Deparudeiu
    Jeffrey Jones
    Terrence Howard
    Danny Masterson

  • Stogiebear

    The first (and only) film I saw Spacey in was “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.” At the time, watching him portray his character felt so uncomfortable. By the end of the movie I came to the conclusion that the reason for the discomfort was that he was not playing a character but displaying his true self. It was something about his eyes and facial expressions. Always listen to your gut feelings.

    • Steverino

      He looked to me like he had the hots for John Cusack in that film (for real, not just acting that way as a character for a character), but I didn’t notice the same “chemistry” toward Jude Law, who played his lover in the film. The interaction between The Lady Chablis and Cusack was more openly playful and fun, though.

      • That movie is terrible. Eastwood completely fucked it up. For one thing the writer Cusack is playing is gay in real life, but is a rather anonymous observer throughout the book. Why a female love interest? Do I even have to ask. And even The Lady Chablis comes off as rather dull in spite of being a real scene stealer in the book. Just not good.

      • Daveed_WOW

        The interactions between The Lady Chablis and Cusack were the highlight! Cusack is a master at flirtation.

    • William

      Watch ‘A Time to Kill’. Spacey gives off waves of closetedness, even though that has nothing to do with the plot or script. He does it all on his own.

      • Daveed_WOW

        He always gives that off. He tries just a little too hard. His lower register is his default and the alpha male stare is his go-to move. Trying to hard.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    If it had remained at one accusation, Spacey may, I repeat MAY, have had a chance a redemption; but as is always the case with these kinds of people, they never just stop at one. While I was torn as to what Netflix should be doing, given the fire that is now becoming visible from the smoke, it’s clear now they have no choice. He is a talented actor, there’s no doubt, but he’s also a sexual predator and that can’t be overlooked.

    • BobSF_94117

      Sexual predators RAPE people.

  • Disqusdmnj

    Without glossing over all the horrible things he did in the past, I sorta wish Netflix would produce the final season of House of Cards for two reasons (besides the fact my wife & I love the show):

    1. To keep all the actors and crew working, particularly Robin Wright with all she had to go through to be paid equally, and…

    2. Because they could REALLY take it out on Spacey by way of his character, and give him the treatment and punishment he truly deserves, and let us live that Schadenfreude vicariously through the show.

    • bzrd

      that’s interesting because in season two he pushed the reporter in front of the train. It could be worked out that someone did further investigation and caught him on a few more videos in and near the station. Impeachment, guilty, then a trial, conviction leading to jail for life.

      • Disqusdmnj

        First degree murder… could get the death penalty if it came out he killed Peter Russo, too!

  • Belthazar

    For f#cks sake, they gave Casey Affleck an Oscar and he is scheduled to present Oscar’s “Best Actress” Award next season – smh!!!

    • RemusL

      The Academy is considering their options about this particular tradition. I have a feeling he won’t be presenting that award. They may give him the choice of presenting a different award but if he has any sense, he should advise the Academy that he’s unable to attend the function due to a “schedule conflict”.

  • BobSF_94117

    Is anyone stopping to note how harshly Spacey is being treated for allegedly being a boor, just like a majority of Hollywood’s top people?

    • RemusL

      Why are you so eager to be an apologist for Kevin Spacey? Are you his new PR flack?

      • BobSF_94117

        I suppose I could ask you why you’re so gung-ho about the accusations. Deflection maybe???

        • RemusL

          I’m not “gung-ho about the accusations” at all. I prefer a wait and see attitude. Indeed, more individuals are coming forward with their own accounts of incidents with Spacey. So far, he has not issued any denials. As for deflection, that’s what you just did, instead of answering my questions.

          • BobSF_94117

            If you prefer a wait and see, then why accuse me of being his flack when I’m arguing exactly the same thing?

          • RemusL

            Though you claim to be “wait and see”, you are spending a lot of time and effort questioning the honesty, motives and accuracy of Spacey’s accusers. Again, you still haven’t answered my original question why you are acting like Spacey’s PR rep.

          • BobSF_94117

            I’m not acting at all like Spacey’s PR rep. She quit. (Or was it he? I can’t remember.)

            It takes me no effort to question accusers. Or for that matter, Spacey. I don’t necessarily believe any of them. That’s what wait and see means. And while one waits and sees, one does not fire him and bring entire TV productions to a halt. Allegations are just that, allegations. The only reason he’s being dealt with the way he is is social media hysteria. And social media hysteria doens’t have a very good track record.

          • RemusL

            We have no idea what other information Netflix already knows. You assume Netflix execs only know what we know through social media. Unless you actually know more than the rest of us. Do you?

    • Daveed_WOW

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  • BobSF_94117

    This is ridiculous. Spacey is accused — merely accused — of acts that fall far short of what “sexual assault” usually means in criminal circles. To watch gay men pile on with unwarranted and ludicrous accusations of pedophilia and assault and predation and harassment and rape is very disappointing.

    Step away from social media hysteria and get a hold of yourselves.

    • JWC

      Althought I am enlightened to see gay men come forward and speak to abuse. One also has the be cautious of the “Me too”meme Not to lessen it for those who have suffered legitinate and disgusting abuse, but to warn of those who adopt this popular vehicle for headline grabbing .This is not saying any one is guilty or innocent but to suggest that getting the facts before you point might be the better path

    • Goodboy

      I get it that you like Spacey but that seems to be blinding you at the same time. Yes. He’s technically a Ephebophile. Although I’m also fine with the Pedophile label.

      • BobSF_94117

        Well, I am not ok with the pedophile label. It is thrown around carelessly in a way that diminishes how horrible sex with a 5-yo or an infant really is.

        This has nothing to do with whether I like Kevin Spacey. Trial by gossip has always been a terrible thing and the internet is making it worse, regardless of who the target is.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Go fuck yourself

      • BobSF_94117

        Very adult.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      “A British actor said he had woken up to find Spacey performing a sex act on him in 2008…”

      If that doesn’t count as sexual assault in your book then I really don’t know what to tell you.

      • BobSF_94117

        That is only one accusation and, IIRC, the alleged victim went home with Spacey and they were both drunk. Absent a trial and conviction, I’m not going to call it “sexual assault”.

        • Judas Peckerwood

          “…the alleged victim went home with Spacey and they were both drunk.”

          Well then clearly he was asking to be sexually assaulted while sleeping.

          • BobSF_94117

            You’re obviously more certain about unknown facts than I am.

          • Judas Peckerwood

            Sorry Bob, you’re playing intellectually dishonest games here. I think you’re better than this.

          • BobSF_94117

            You’re better than someone who takes unsubstantiated claims and runs with them, but you’re doing exactly that. I was mocking you.

        • Judas Peckerwood

          You do realize that you’re sounding like a douche-bro fratboy rationalizing date-rape, right?

          • BobSF_94117

            Well, someone not very bright might misinterpret it that way, I suppose.

    • Rick

      “‘He was telling me to come with him, to leave the bar. He put his hand on my crotch forcefully and grabbed my whole package.’ Montana alleges that a drunk Spacey told him: ‘This designates ownership.'”

      Yeah, that’s not sexual assault.

      “I guess he must have come up behind me and yanked down my baggy jeans, and he goes to fuck me and I’m like, ‘No, I don’t want to.’ And he pushes hard, and grabs me, and starts shoving up against my asshole, and it hurts like a motherfucker. I again tell him no, and he tries again.”

      Yeah, that’s not sexual assault.

      So BobSF: What IS sexual assault in your book?

      • BobSF_94117

        The term “sexual assault” is very broad and covers everything from serious acts just short of rape to relatively minor inappropriate acts like the first one you describe. Drunkenly cupping someone’s junk is not, in my book, anywhere nearly as serious as violent sexual assault like forced oral copulation. People use the term on purpose to exaggerate.

        As for the second quote you mention, they were having sex. Apparently the kid was usually the one to top. Spacey tried to turn the tables and the kid didn’t want to. He was not penetrated. I would be quite surprised if authorities viewed one attempted sexual act during sex as “sexual assault”.

        And I have to say that many of the accusations against Spacey have what I find to be odd details. “It hurt like a motherfucker”. Penetration might well hurt like a motherfucker. Pressing against the hole? Seems unlikely. Another claim is that he put his hand all the way down someone’s pants while driving a car. I’d like to see how one could accomplish that without a lot of cooperation.

        I may well be completely wrong, but it is not wrong to wait until settled truth comes out and it is not wrong to withhold judgement until it does. Other people should give that a try.

    • Gianni

      In regards to a film or TV career/reputation, it really doesn’t matter. Accusations like these, even if all the accusers are total liars (not likely), will nowadays sink said career faster than an anchor and will keep it down.

  • JCF

    Netflix: toxic environment of harrassment on the HofC set? “We saw nothing!”

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  • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

    I wonder when Netflix will address the rape claims of women victimized by Scientologist/actor Danny Masterson…so far, they seem to be ignoring his Cosbyesque behavior.

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    There are also NSFW photos of him out there on the internet from a vacation he took to Croatia in 2008 — easily found with a Google image search. He’s pulling a guy’s pants down and grabbing his ass. From the reactions of a few others present, I don’t think the ass grabbing was expected.

  • Joseph Miceli

    When I was a little Twink I swore I would never grow into one of those nasty old men Who felt it was OK to feel me up in the bar. I like to think that I’ve grown old and fat with some dignity . I do know that as a result of not being Mr. octopus , I have a click of very nice young men that talk to me and that I talk to when I’m out . I even get the occasional offer . Growing old doesn’t mean you have to turn into a predator .

  • MassageBear

    So sad. Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil is one of my favorite films. But cannot stand to watch it any longer knowing he’s a child predator.

    Even more sad is how our country holds a television president to higher standards than an actual president.

  • Randy Jeune

    Companies always seem to take action when they are embarrassed, and only then. Remember that football player who knocked his wife out in the elevator and got a slap on the wrist until the video got to the public?