Sheriff: Las Vegas Gunman Was Trump Fan

Newsweek reports:

Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock was quite the fan of President Donald Trump before he killed 58 people and left another 500 injured—the worst mass shooting in recent U.S. history.

Paddock, a millionaire who reportedly would gamble up to $1 million a night in casinos, was attracted to the president’s politics because of the boost the stock market has enjoyed since Trump took office, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo told KLAS, a local CBS affiliate in Las Vegas, during a two-hour interview.

Paddock said “he was happy with Trump because the stock market was doing well,” Lombardo said. Lombardo said he didn’t know offhand who Paddock was talking to when he was talking about Trump, adding that it’s the “only thing that we have seen that references politics.”

  • bkmn

    And there are thousands more like him and they are armed too.

    • Scott Carpenter

      There are also some of us who are armed, so…

      • Halou

        Not nearly enough to make a difference unfortunately. If there were that many armed liberals, leftists and minority peoples then you can bet the NRA would be an organisation dedicated to ever stricter gun control, rather than the insane free-for-all they’re lobbying to create.

        • Bad Tom

          It’s happened before. In California.

      • Todd20036

        Doesn’t matter when the Nazi goes into a hotel with a high powered rifle

        • Rifles.

          • Bad Tom

            And a seriously well thought-out plan of murder and mayhem.

  • Joe in PA

    Shocked, not shocked.

  • djcoastermark

    A report telling most of us what we already knew in our hearts and minds.

  • another_steve

    I am, tonight, totally convinced that Donald Trump will soon be among the cesspool of historical world wanabee-dictators.

    Trust me on this.

    • JP

      He wants too but it wont happen. He may do some major damage to america, but once blood hits the floor his base will bail.

      • BearEyes

        I’m not that optimistic about his base.

        • pch1013

          I think there’s a hard core of about 15% who actually would launch a civil war if Trump is removed.

          • thatotherjean

            And they would lose.

          • pch1013

            Eventually.

          • Uncle Mark

            So that would be 15% of a 30% base? I don’t think that 4.5% of the US populace can carry out a civil war, when the rest ain’t having it

          • hdtex
          • peacfulseas inWA

            While I understand the sentiment this would only make him a martyr for the deplorables. Could you imagine the conspiracy theories from the likes of Alex Jones? I would like to see him and his gang members humiliated when filmed being evicted from the peoples house.

      • another_steve

        Our American free news media – print, internet and TV – will save us.

        Rest assured.

        • olandp

          Shouldn’t you have used a snark label?

          • another_steve

            No. I truly believe that.

            The free press is what will save us from the abyss.

            I truly believe that.

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            One fly in that ointment – “Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.” – AJ Liebling

          • another_steve

            I’m not a 10 on the 1-10 Cynicism Scale. I’m, maybe, a 4.

            Most Americans are good people. Let’s all remember that Donald Trump only garners a 32-37 percent “favorable” percentage.

            Most Americans are good people.

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            I often use the line from the Roseanne Show episode where the son, DJ, asks her “What religion are we?”. She replies after a few seconds thought “Good people, just good people. But not practicing right now”.

          • Ross

            You mean the free press that spent 25 vilifying Hillary, and is STILL vilifying Hillary?

            You mean the same free press that basically gave Trump a free pass during the election?

          • another_steve

            Point well taken, Ross.

            Trump’s critical error was to demonize the free press and stage it as his enemy. A terrible blunder, that.

            When I was in government, an operant understanding was “do not antagonize the press.” Do not make yourself the enemy of the press.

            Trump has royally fucked up in this area.

          • Lars Littlefield

            I’m smelling a Pollyanna on this thread. A drunk Pollyanna.

  • BearEyes

    and yet, dRumpf still won’t label him the terrorist he actually is.

  • The Sentinel

    File under duh.

  • Halou
  • boobert

    DUH !

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    Cue the screams of “FAKE NEWS!!!” in 3…2…1…

  • Big effen surprise LOL

  • kelven

    Slightly O/T – Here is an interesting article speculating on the legal strategy of Mueller and company.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/11/robert_mueller_s_brilliant_strategy_for_outmaneuvering_trump_pardons.html

    • The big question for me after reading the article is, is there a state-level crime that Flynn broke and that they will be able to charge him with?

      • bzrd

        where does Flynn live, maybe he cheated on state income tax?

  • DesertSun59

    Wow. Who’s surprised.

  • kelven

    Now we know why Humpty Trumpty hasn’t said anything. Doesn’t want to alienate his base.

  • Michael R

    Thanks Obama

  • So using Trumps own logic, let’s ban all Trump supporters from entering the country.

    • Halou

      Does that include barring entry to the Russian ambassador?

      • Lars Littlefield

        Depends. Does he have vodka?

      • JCF

        Does that include barring re-entry of Drumpf after his Asian trip?

        • Bob Conti

          Can we move the country and not leaving a forwarding address?

          • JCF
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    • Bad Tom

      Deport Deplorables!

    • CraigNJ

      A better idea would be to not let Trump back in the country.

      • JWC

        What if were kidnaped and dropped off at the border with NK

    • Chaz Antonelli

      That’s not good enough!! We need to deport all Trump supporters from the United States as well! 🙂

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Lord Dampnut 💓 him back.

  • Todd20036

    Liberals tend not to hoard guns.

    Also, we tend to be more empathetic.

    Nazis love their guns and don’t feel after the end of their noses

    • Jeffrey

      Exactly. He was an old white dude who stockpiles guns. Did anyone think he was gonna be a Bernie Bro?

    • Galvestonian

      I’ve always figured that the gun nuts and those dudes with their pick-ups jacked up five feet in the air with some over-sized tires that their was a problem with their ‘junk’ being tiny – small dick and overcompensation type of thing.

  • TrueWords

    There will be no more discussion about the shooter just some loose information that does not really matter into WHY this horrible deed was done…sorry but being a Trump supporter is just NOT enough…

    There will no change in gun laws…

    There will be no discussion about mental health…

    There will be no talk about anything just us as a nation waiting for the next mass shooting (of which I wish would NOT happen)

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/980/262/cca.jpg

  • Gigi

    Next up, water is wet.

  • edrex

    like we didn’t know already? what genius profiler figured that out?

  • Boreal

    Shocking that tRumpanzees are crazed fucknuts.

  • Lazycrockett

    Sound logic giving further proof to the notion this guy wasn’t crazy.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Natty Enquirer

      They drive as badly as drunks. They should be punished the same.

      • Sam_Handwich

        it’s worse because they are not inebriated but fully aware of their actions

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Hear, hear.

        Got hit on a bike by one of them. Hope that tweet was worth my lawsuit.

      • doninkansas

        one morning last week while taking I-70 from Topeka to Kansas City, I passed a woman who was talking on the phone, while putting on make up and steering with her knees.

        • FAEN

          Jeebus!

        • TuuxKabin

          Pfffft, man driving NJ plates, making a right off 10th Avenue in mid town, coke spoon to nose, phone tucked under his chin, against red light. No Right Turn On Red in NYC.

          • pj

            wow

          • Marty Pavelka

            Western NY. Next to a guy driving a car with a woman in the passenger seat and a kid in the back, shooting up heroine.

          • TuuxKabin

            to hell in a deplorable hand basket.

        • Jeffrey

          I was just in DC on the way to BWI and passed a guy who had his iPad on the steering wheel reading an article

        • JDS

          In SE FL on I-95 South, that is called multi-tasking.
          Along with the road pizza motorcyclists doing 100+ mph.

        • Jeffg166

          Saw a man reading a newspaper and eating a sandwich while driving in center city Philadelphia. He blew right through a stop sign.

    • Cuberly Deux

      “Don’t you know who I was?”

      (When the poll #s were better.)

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        “…but like the cream filled goodness of a chocolate eclair on the edge of a Christie dinner plate, those sweet delectables are way gone.. and so moves, the Days of our Grifter Lives.”

        • Cuberly Deux

          ….moving on to head an opioid crisis task force….that has no budget.

    • another_steve

      We here in the NY/NJ area (I relocated to the D.C. area for professional purposes only) understand this totally.

      You, in the rest of the country, we could talk…

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/49e9c5e4b9a10db232102492cd0cf092febe601055242c5d3d03645562f1257a.jpg

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        And they come right over the bridge from NJ to Philly.

        And we have shit for bike lanes.

      • FAEN

        I hate the drivers here in DC-even when I have the right of way I’m only on guard for the idiots that don’t watch where they’re going because they’ve got their heads in their phones.

        • another_steve

          DC drivers are among the worst and most frustrated in the world. There are several reasons for this.

          DC is one of the most driver-unfriendly cities in the United States. Try to park there on the street and spare yourself a parking ticket. Good luck.

          DC is a very difficult place in which to drive adeptly – unless you have years and years of experience doing so. The layout of DC’s main boulevards was planned for horse and carriage – not for automobiles. DC’s treacherous “circles” are world-renowned.

          I worked there and still spend a lot of time there.

          I love the city but hate driving in it.

          • mr wonderful

            “The layout of DC’s main boulevards was planned for horse and carriage ”
            Come see us in Boston… we’re ~ 50 years older.

          • another_steve

            Lol. Hear ya. 😉

            Here in DC we have a circle named “Dupont Circle” – named after Samuel Francis Du Pont, in recognition of his service as a rear admiral during the Civil War.

            You should not (please excuse the Yiddishism here) know from it.

            Your life is in jeopardy, navigating the circle.

          • FAEN

            This is why I use the Metro whenever I can. Or I walk my ass there if possible.

          • another_steve

            Man and I use Metro whenever feasible, too.

            DC is many wonderful things – but it is not driver-friendly.

          • FAEN

            Yep! Liking the new Metro cars.

          • Robincho

            Well, at least it’s not those fucking WILMINGTON DuPonts…

          • Rob NYNY

            Lower Manhattan, too.

          • Robincho

            Congress Street, they tell me, followed the route that cows chose…

          • FAEN

            Amen brother!

          • Furface

            You forgot to mention the abundance of a-type, legends in their own minds drivers and those with diplomatic plates.

          • another_steve

            Lol. Yes.

            When I worked in government, I encountered quite a few of those. 😉

          • Rob NYNY

            I haven’t driven in DC in many years, but back then there were streets that changed direction during the day. For experienced DC drivers, I suppose it was routine, but for out-of-town drivers who at 25 miles per hour had to read 18″x24″ signs with six lines of text about which lanes run in which direction at what times of the day, it meant we ended up again and again in Arlington.

          • another_steve

            Lol. Yes. Man and I have lived in the DC area for almost 40 years now and we still, occasionally, cross over a bridge into Virginia by mistake.

            New York City (where I spent the first 26 years of my life) is laid out logically. East to west. South to North. Not so with the traffic routes in and around DC. 😉

          • Rob NYNY

            The street grid in NYC above 14 Street was laid out for very practical reasons. NYC was an incredibly active harbor town, and the streets and avenues were laid out for maximum efficiency of transferring cargo from one ship to another, either crosstown or up/downtown. Not all of the underlying premises were correct (lots of narrow W/E streets don’t work as well as wider N/S avenues), but at least it was an attempt at rationality. In the long run, it has served well. We inherited Broadway, a great gash across the grid system dating back to colonial times and earlier, but its importance as a trafficked street has diminished, to the benefit of the city.

            And the city fathers who planned the grid did not provide for alleys. Garbage in many cities goes behind the buildings in narrow passages. In NYC, garbage goes in front of buildings in many neighborhoods, especially the most elegant.

            Washington, on the other hand, was designed to be a monumental city, with diagonal grand boulevards, intersecting avenues, intersecting streets, and great circles. It looks great on a map, but it doesn’t work so well in practice.

            New York has some of that monumental stuff, but it is more incidental, and not the basic reason for its existence.

          • another_steve

            Wonderful comment, Rob. Enjoyed reading it.

            I lol’ed at “Broadway, a great gash across the grid system.”

            Indeed, that and all of lower Manhattan is somewhat of an…exception to the rule. 😉

          • Rob NYNY

            Five-way and six-way intersections, midblock intersections, do not increase traffic or pedestrian efficiency. Columbus Circle is incomprehensible for both motor and foot traffic. Limiting access to Broadway has improved both motor and pedestrian traffic.

            Then go down to Times Square (an approximate concept that is neither square nor related in recent years to the NY Times), and there are streets coming from six or more directions. There really is some value to the concept that closing diagonal streets will make both motor and pedestrian traffic more efficient. NYC has slowly been closing down Broadway, with little bad effect on motor traffic (exceptions for delivery), and a great increase on pedestrian safety.

          • another_steve

            I sincerely believe that the future of urban travel is aerial (in the sky). I think it’s inevitable.

            Twenty or thirty years from now, “driver-less” technology will be perfected. This will free up the transition to personal above-ground transport. We’ll get from Point A to Point B in a straight line, without having to steer.

            Think of the advantages: Much shorter travel time. Minimal ecological impact (no need for roads or waterways). Maximum fuel efficiency.

            Wish I could be there. 😉

          • Rob NYNY

            I think it is walking. I have lived for over five decades within walking distance of my schools, my employment, and my job, with 20 minutes of transit.. Now I live withing one GMT of my editing job. Sometimes I have lived lived there in poverty (New Haven, Morning Side Heights, Bedford-Stuyvesant), and sometimes because of value and proximity to pubic transit (Bedford-Stuyvesant).

          • another_steve

            Walking to work, stores, schools, etc. is feasible for certain city dwellers. Impossible for most rural and suburban dwellers.

            “Working at home” seems to be catching on. Some federal agencies have large numbers of employees who’ve been working at home for years now. They go to their physical offices so many days a week, but the rest of the time is spent online, in their homes. Not all jobs lend themselves to that sort of arrangement, of course.

          • Rob NYNY

            After we moved off the farm, we lived in small midwestern towns in the 1960s and 1970s. Walking was entirely possible then to get to school, work, shopping, entertainment, worship, health care. But starting in the 1970s, all of those things started moving outside of town, accessible only by car. In the 1960s in small town America, it was unusual for a family to have more than one car. Now it is typical for a family to have a car for every family member over age 16, specifically to have access to any of those things. Sometime in the 1990s, my high school got rid of the bike racks and demolished a couple of neighboring houses to expand the parking lot.

          • another_steve

            Your story illustrates the dilemma. The challenge.

            Love to you, Rob.

    • Henry Auvil

      I assume that woman enjoys cowgirl. Otherwise, she’d have been suffocated years ago.

      • JCF

        {shudder}

      • Prost Seattle

        They’re married. Married people don’t have sex.

    • teeveedub

      In her defense, her judgment is permanently dulled from the perpetually broken ribs she endures from sleeping with her husband.

    • bkmn

      “Rules are for thee, but not for me.” – Ancient Republican mantra

  • Taylor Bixler

    “Investigators have been able to compile thorough psychological profile on Paddock . . .gleaning from interviews he was narcissistic and obsessed with his status as one of Las Vegas’s elite”
    narcissistic and status obsessed…
    ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • AlternativeQuacks

    Has Pat Robertson or any of them suggested yet that he was possessed by a demon? It just occurred to me that they like to blame demonic possession for everything from divorces to epilepsy to the soufflé falling, so it’s kind of weird that they haven’t tried to pin mass murders or terrorism on demonic possession.

    • TexasBoy

      They’re holding that magic tidbit until Trump is actually indicted and/or found guilty.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Nope, demons are reserved for ‘mos. Robertson blamed “disrespect’ and of course turned it into a promo for God/Trump:

      “You know what I’d like to give you is the fact that we have disrespect for authority. There is profound disrespect of our president, all across this nation they say terrible things about him. It’s in the news, it’s in other places. There is disrespect now for our national anthem, disrespect for our veterans, disrespect for the institutions of our government, disrespect for the court system. All the way up and down the line, disrespect. And when you lose that kind of respect, you lose authority, But more than anything, until there is biblical authority, there has to be some controlling authority in our society, and there is none. And when there is no vision of God, the people say, there’s no vision of God, the people run amok.”

      http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/03/heres-what-pat-robertson-blames-for-the-las-vegas-shooting/

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Slightly off topic: And since the deaths in NYC and Mueller’s indictments Trump’s approval rating has gone *up.* Stay tuned for more of the same bat shit craziness as he jockeys for a few more points.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-gallup-approval-jumps-after-mueller-indictments-2017-11

  • northern_neighbour

    Adore the gun, and die by the gun.

    Unfortunately ~ 60 dead and 500 maimed. And he loves (loved, past tense) Trump!
    And him a millionaire more than one times over if he would gamble sums like that!

    Because the Government is Bad and needs Destruction, I suppose, … exactly what Trump is engaged in doing.

    Hurray for the NRA which has sown the seeds of destruction of American civilisation.

    (Snark obviously.)

    The Shooter was SCUM but the SCUM have taken over the American Ship of State.

    The Pirates now control our Destiny. And “Freedom” is just a catch phrase from 5th Century B.C. Athens. What they actually had back then for their citizens, we no longer have now. for ourselves. Not really.

    Can we get that civilised freedom back? I haven’t got a clue. It would take millions in the streets, bringing commerce to a virtual halt… A second revolution probably, … and the Oligarchy isn’t gonna wanna allow that to happen.

    A deep and sad Funeral Requiem is more likely.

  • MikeBx2

    Trump seemed to favor him too. At least in comparison to the “animal” in NYC.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    He’s a he, and white and lived in a sun city retirement community in bum-fuck nevada. Of course he liked trump.

    • Boreal

      He looks like a meth head in this photo.

  • Philly Mike

    Sorry but this so weak, look I never understood tRUMP and his appeal ever even before he thought of politics, but I am happy the markets are doing well. It is the shining silver sliver in this shit storm in American politics.

    • Ross

      No President is responsible for the economy in their first year in office.

      And I will bet that the economy will not be doing well a year from now.

      We are already seeing the signs.

      • Opinion Sousaphones

        What signs? Just curious.

        • Ross

          Job creation has taken its first downturn in 7 years.

          The travel industry is down.

    • BobSF_94117

      Fond of bubbles, are we?

      • Philly Mike

        No it is not “bubbles” but POTUS is not reponsible for the economy he is responsible for foreign policy. But I would like to ask all the UPVOTES to BobSF_94117’s statement would you rather the present tRUMP shitshow with or without an economy heading up or down? I choose UP it is the sliver of a silver lining in this tRUMP shitshow.

        • BobSF_94117

          The U.S. stock market is up because of several reasons. One of them is that Trump’s election has released some investor money among the nit-wit rich. His policies have made foreign investment more risky as he has introduced and encouraged instability in markets from Europe to Asia. Etc.

          There are far too many dollars chasing far too few investment vehicles. It’s a bubble.

        • BobSF_94117

          One more point. I choose rational. The run-up in this market is not rational. And it’s not a silver lining. It is not good for the general economy. People are bullish about the stock market because they’re bullish about profits. And those profits will be higher because the GOP is killing the movement for a reasonable minimum wage, killing healthcare, killing education, and about to slash taxes. All of this will be fine and dandy for some for a few years then there’ll be a reckoning. Again.

        • TuuxKabin

          What up votes?

          • Philly Mike

            correct my response was to BobSF_94117 and it is not a nasty response but in a shitshow don’t we all want something positive?

          • TuuxKabin

            true. yes we do. didn’t take it as nasty, just wondering about the optimism of the market’s record breaking high. i’m of the thought it’s going to fall sharply, and i have no financial data or knowledge to back it up, but in this shit show the bottom of the bottom feels inevitable.

      • Lars Littlefield

        That’s his drag name. Bubbles Argentum de las Nubes.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/926539015016378370
    Same shit as it always was.
    Republicans can call Democrats traitors, supporters of murderers, child rapists and worse but heaven Democrats call them out.

  • Leo

    OT Northam posts on here tend to devolve into Brazile fights recently and I tend to attract trolls so I’m reluctant to post this but I feel obligated as a Virginia resident.

    More bad news – powerhouse progressive group Democracy for America has slammed Northam’s decision to support the continued ban of sanctuary cities as well as leaving Justin Fairfax off fliers for not supporting the Dominion pipeline and have officially withdrawn their endorsement with a big press release and social media push.

    I’m just…sad. Will vote and not get my hopes up for Tuesday evening as I’ll be miserable for a couple months if I do. If Gillespie wins the symbolism of white-identity America will be overhyped but also cannot be overstated. That’s my two cents and other than this comment and responses I’ll be away for the evening.

    https://twitter.com/DFAaction/status/926227064281280514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23645148171060246998.ampproject.net%2F1508896929494%2Fframe.html

    • Michael R

      It’s a shame people get stuck on one issue .
      Side note : Hillary is coming to take your guns .

      • Max_1

        WITH her emails.

        • Snarkaholic

          …and pizza!

    • BobSF_94117

      Well, I guess DemocracyForAmerica just proved how stupid they are.

      • stuckinthewoods

        Democracy for America doesn’t appear to be a significant donor to Northam so their withdrawal is trifling if not phoney. Here’s the VPAP donor link for Northam. I gave up after a dozen pages without finding their name. https://www.vpap.org/committees/257049/top_donors/?page=1

  • Friday

    It’s almost like the very, very rich Reichwingers don’t care about regular people or something.

  • SoCalGal20

    Get ready for another round of calling to save Obamacare and kill the tax bill.

    https://twitter.com/nadabakos/status/926581941322661888

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • SoCalGal20
    • TampaDink

      GOOD!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Totes O/T but somewhat revelatory, especially given the fallout from the Donna Brazile claim…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/675063f6afa6729282aa5478638cc451e1437e685ac9a5fe1338aaa0aad55774.jpg

    • Boreal

      Please post this again in future threads.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Also it looks like her claims aren’t as scandalous as they first sounded.
      https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/926569646647595008

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        They actually aren’t, which is why I found the timing so convenient for Trump and others.

    • JCF

      I’m confused. This “Oliver Willis” is calling out *Donna Brazile*…and then “Kate Harding” is criticizing Willis (“man of the left”) for it? I think I’m second to none around here in calling out [too many] cisgender men on their [too ample] bullshit, but I don’t get this one.

      • Bryan

        I’m confused too, normally I’d love Brazile but I don’t appreciate her trying to drive a wedge, I get defending against actual sexism but calling her out on her bullshit doesn’t make him a hater, it just means he won’t tolerate lies and division. Jaysus Donna, pay ATTENTION, you are being supported by that which you yourself previously despised. We don’t intentionally give ammo to our enemies and we don’t do their job for them.

    • thatotherjean

      Well, that Trump tweet was a flat-out lie. He never felt he’d be running and winning against anybody, much less Bernie, since he never wanted to win at all. It probably stung more to be bested in the popular vote, even if he won the Electoral College, since he lost the popular vote to a woman, than it would have to lose the popular vote to Bernie, though.

  • SoCalGal20
  • Mike

    Quel surprise.

  • Tempus Fuggit

    Just try to imagine all of my considerable shock and surprise.

    • William

      I’m drawing a blank.

  • jonfromcalifornia

    Watch the trumpanzees will soon attack Sheriff Lombardo as a “lying” Democrat.

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, even though he’s a Republican.

      • Opinion Sousaphones

        They are attacking Mueller, a Republican and a Marine veteran.

        • Bad Tom

          Comey is a Republican too.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Boreal

      Corker is running for president.

      • Bad Tom

        He’d be a hell of a lot better candidate than anything that ran on the GOP ticket in 2016.

        • Boreal

          I think more than a few of these GOTP senators ‘retiring’ will be running.

        • Reality.Bites

          You might say he’d be a corker.

          The problem with him and all the others is they’re only sane by comparison with the ones sticking around.

        • Bambino

          As in Nurse Ratchet among the insane inmates?

  • FAEN

    Twitler will be very silent about this.

    • Jeffrey

      He’s on a plane to Asia which hopefully he will accidentally fall out of.

  • Lazycrockett
    • -M-

      Finally. Well, that’s some good news.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Is it me or is that badly written.

      • edrex

        yes. i had to re-read it a couple of times.

        • JackFknTwist

          Likewise…….it is a mess.

      • BobSF_94117

        It was never going to be a pretty sentence, but they made it worse than they had to.

        • Cuberly Deux

          Heh, something I’m guilty of on an hourly basis.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Don’t get me wrong, VERY glad for the child and her family.

      • BobSF_94117

        Just remember, it could have been worse, it could’ve been in German.

    • Jeffrey

      So disgusting that this is even a thing.

    • SoCalGal20

      About time!

  • SoCalGal20

    OMG Dan Savage and Lea DeLaria’s responses to this tweet lol (btw few things annoy me more than busybody neighbors).

    https://twitter.com/badladsplace/status/926430034964992001

    https://twitter.com/fakedansavage/status/926551305518309376

    https://twitter.com/realleadelaria/status/926593358981730311

    • Treant

      I wish somebody would pull that crap on me.

      “It’s Art,” I said after I added a new sculpture in the front yard, “Which is specifically mentioned in the bylaws as being legal even if it’s a nude. The fact that the artist calls it Two Aroused Men Playing Together doesn’t change the art, and I’ll be happy to bring him into a court of law to say that, yes, he intended this as art.”

      • AmeriCanadian

        Give ’em hell! I had a neighbor write a letter to the town complaining that my husband and I placed our hot tub next to their dining room (on our property of course with a six foot privacy fence between us). He stated that it was a “family neighborhood” and that he didn’t appreciate being able to see that “kind of stuff” from his dining room windows (he couldn’t unless he was outside on a ladder). Oh what fun it is to live in suburbia. Not.

        • Treant

          When not in the hot tub, I hope you projected gay porn at the wall.

          Or at least left the sound track from said porn running. Loudly.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Excellent idea. I hadn’t thought of that but it would be great to have a 60 inch (or larger) TV on the wall of our house facing his house. I’m sure I could find some “interesting” DVD’s. 😉

          • Treant

            “Hairy Bear Fisting Party” comes to mind.

        • fuzzybits

          Living in the suburbs would be hell for me.

          • Bambino

            I’m always a city guy through and through.
            …..Things will be great when you’re downtown
            No finer place for sure, downtown
            Everything’s waiting for you…..

      • SoCalGal20

        HOAs are the worst! There are always busybodies on the board. When my ex and I lived in a development that had one we had our yard landscaped with groundcovers that are not grass. Like this really low-growing thyme (I don’t recall the specific variety at the moment) and planted drought tolerant California natives. OMG.

        • Treant

          Mine’s pretty slack. My gardens are well within acceptable bounds and I could cover the property with them if I wanted to.

          • SoCalGal20

            Consider yourself fortunate.

        • fuzzybits

          Living somewhere with a HOA would be hell for me.

      • William

        We had a naked female mannequin standing by the gate. Our fundie Christian neighbors across the road came home. I heard car doors open, then they slammed closed. The driver did a fast U turn and took off down the hill. I was sitting in our bushes laughing my ass off.

        • Treant

          Did they ever come back, or did they seek refuge at the local church?

          • William

            They came back, hours after sunset.

          • Treant

            Festooned with crosses, garlic, and holy water?

          • William

            I wasn’t watching, Their daughter hasn’t been outside all week.

          • Bambino

            And goat blood smear on their doors in case the gay mist passes by.

    • JohnJay
      • Treant

        What? That’s cute.

        • SoCalGal20

          It’s NOT CHRISTIAN!!!!!

          Honestly if that happened to me I call the big gay dance party people that protest outside Mitch McConnell’s house to come over. Have Neighborhood Pride.

        • -M-

          And from a couple of years ago. Joe relayed it at the time. I believe she added a lot more rainbow decoration in response.

      • MikeBx2

        OMG. Rainbow lamps!!

      • Michael R

        That story ended up being a fake .

      • William

        This was a couple years ago.

  • gaycuckhubby

    OT….
    But I suppose the damage is done. All people will “remember” is that Hillary was cheating. The right wing used to do this to Clinton. Now it’s her own party.

    https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/926569646647595008

  • Herald

    Let’s not sink to Fox’s level and use this as an excuse to say all Trump supporters are potential killers.

    • Treant

      All Trump supporters are potential killers.

      You had to lack empathy to vote for that moronic loser, therefore you have the capacity to kill. The only saving grace is that most of them are too dumb to…oh, wait, no, the salesperson will help you put the ammo in.

      • Ross

        Ditto:

        All Trump supporters are potential killers.
        All Trump supporters are potential killers.
        All Trump supporters are potential killers.

        • Boreal

          Ad infinitum.

          • Treant

            Ad nauseum.

          • Boreal

            Every day of tRump and his POS supporters make me fucking nauseous, especially his apologist trolls.

          • Treant

            Tell me about it. It’s getting to the point where I simply shoot the finger and walk away–to much shock. “But you’re supposed to be tolerant!”

            Fuck tolerance. You’re fucking trying to kill me. Prepare for war.

          • Boreal
          • Treant

            Yep, exactly. Also, I apparently hate Muslims or some such shit.

            No, but I do hate Russian trolls.

          • Boreal

            It is still whining up above or below.

          • Treant

            I wouldn’t know, I blocked it, and it won’t last long around here anyway.

            My bet’s on Bill Perdue under a new name. Yet again.

          • Boreal

            He’s banned I think. He was at troll road and I mocked him for a bit before blocking him.

          • Treant

            Changing IP addresses is a snap. BTDT.

          • Boreal

            Too polite for BP. He didn’t cut and paste or call me a fascist pig.

          • Treant

            “Fascist pig!”

            There ya go, sport. :-p

      • Herald

        Sigh.

        • Treant

          Oh, I’ll go further. In voting for that piece of shit, they’ve also voted for violence. They voted to cut subsidies for the ACA.

          They’ve gone way past potential killers. They’re already indirectly responsible for people’s deaths.

          And don’t fucking sigh at me. Make a cogent point or go fuck yourself.

          • Herald

            You are identical to people who scream about how Muslims are all killers. You’re exactly as repugnant.

          • Boreal

            Are you coming out as a trumpanzee?

          • Treant

            Obviously, I should think. False equivalency deserves only a semi-agrammatical string of fuck-formations. 🙂

          • Herald

            No. I hate Trump. I also recognize that it’s very easy for those on the left to sink to his level. The fact that this guy liked Trump is not a political “win” for our side and shouldn’t be celebrated as such.

          • Boreal

            No one says it is a win, only that trump supporters one and all are scum. No one except maybe you is surprised this killer is a trumpanzee.

          • Herald

            Come on, man. You’re not saying that liberals don’t commit crimes including murder, are you? This is silly. His political leanings are irrelevant. He was just a sick evil man.

          • Boreal

            He was a trumpanzee and gun worshiper. Get real. I have no time for apologists like yourself. Our republic teeters on the brink and you’re worried about whether we’re being unfair to the supporters of a fascist shitgibbon . Piss off. Sell your bullshit elsewhere. I’m not buying.

          • Treant

            And that bullshit apologist fuckwaddery fucking fucked your fucking way into a fucked-over fuckin’ block. Fuckin’ troll fuck.

          • Herald

            Wow.

    • Boreal

      Fox’s level is lies and distortions but anyone who voted for trump and still supports him is responsible for and ok with the hate and violence. We will not forget.

    • gaycuckhubby

      👏👏👏

    • Friday

      Most people are potential killers under the right circumstances: those willing to allow themselves to be gaslighted and to devalue other human beings… especially when their sense of anger, resentment, and being threatened is stoked and stoked and fed for years and years on end, then told they need to arm up to ‘defend’ all that and their egoes while they get lied to and ripped off…. demonstrably that much more so.

    • boobert

      moron supporters are a special kind of stupid.

      • Herald

        You’ll get no argument from me. They are very very stupid. However, trying to use the fact that this guy liked Trump as some sort of political win is grotesque. If he were a Clinton fan and people on the right were saying “ha ha, I knew it!”, you’d see how gross it was.

    • KarenAtFOH

      Have you looked at the GOP voting record lately?

  • JWC

    probably inspired by his tweets

  • Bad Tom

    So much for the early He’s a loony liberal crap.

    • Friday

      Obviously they want to get lies out before anyone can possibly know what even actually happened.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/News3LV/status/926598113971851266
    This young man had his life taken because his POS father decided that his son being gay meant he deserved to get shot to death.
    For all the people who say they oppose what happens to us in the Middle East but then say we are sinners,evil, threats to marriage and children etc., shove it.
    Your words help give people like the POS here the idea it’s OK to hurt and kill us, even when it’s your own flesh and blood.
    RIP Giovanni.

    • JohnJay

      Remember yesterday when Pat Robertson told a mother that perhaps God let her 15 year old son die because he might have grown up to be (put your big bad xian sin here… atheist, gay, liberal, etc). Yeah, that. This is the result of that type of teaching. Hey, the father was just doing God’s work (/s)

      • Natty Enquirer

        You can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and truth in this country if you’ll just get yourself called Reverend. People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup.
        Christopher Hitchens

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        Abused for years, yet neither the former, foster mother, nor any of the neighbors stood up for this young man. People make me sick.

    • Moebym of the Returners

      This happened a few miles away from me.

      Oh, how I wish Hell existed for scum like Giovanni’s sperm donor.

    • I Lurve You

      Republicans pretend to care what happens to gays in the Middle East for the same reason they pretend to care about black people “losing” jerbs to immigrants.

      Votes, baby!

      • Galvestonian

        …and how about their constant screaming about abortion. How many of them adopt the kids they”save” or even care what happens to them in life ?

  • Treant

    OT: OK, the gardens are down, I’ve sprayed ferrous sulfate on the lawn (amongst other things; it’s fun to put hot water into the mix and watch it drop 60 degrees in five seconds as the reaction happens!), I’ve made the soap for Christmas, and I’m at loggerheads.

    I guess I could do a thorough fall cleaning.

    • Prost Seattle

      You only bathe in the fall?

      • Treant

        Indeed. I demand my soap in Pumpkin Spice.

        Plus it takes me hours to chisel the wax out of my ears.

  • Reality.Bites

    OT: https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/925506870294364160/photo/1

    That’s Justin’s son Hadrien in the pink dress.

    Hadrien, 3, was going as Skye, a cockapoo who flies a helicopter on the Canadian cartoon PAW Patrol. (The show airs in the U.S. on Nickelodeon.) “He insisted on being Skye [for Halloween],” The Prime Minister revealed. “And that’s fine with us.”

    Trudeau went as Clark Kent.

    • gaycuckhubby

      ❤❤❤

    • TuuxKabin

      That’s why I always make passes at men who wear glasses.

      • FAEN

        When can I expect that 😉

        • TuuxKabin

          Over a cuppa?

          • FAEN

            It’s settled then 😉😏😊

          • TuuxKabin

            ‘Tay. El HubCap’s gon’ be with me. Passes. Passes only.

            What’d Mae West say? “Better to be looked over, than over looked.”

    • Talisman

      Your phone booth or mine?

    • FAEN

      SWOON!

  • MikeBx2
  • Sam_Handwich

    the thing on Dotard’s head got leid. looks wet and sticky. eww

    https://twitter.com/colincampbell/status/926606628056682498

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Hue-Man

    Overall, there were more than 38,000 gun deaths last year, according to the CDC. That’s up from about 36,000 in 2015 and around 33,500 each year between 2011 and 2014.

    (“Roughly two-thirds of gun deaths are suicides, and those have been increasing for about 10 years.”)
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-gun-deaths-rate-20171103-story.html

  • Henry Auvil

    The stock market doing well is because of Trump?! America has gone batshit insane. No remedy at this point.

    • Ross

      The stock market is doing well because of Obama.

      Thanks, Obama!

      No President is responsible for the economy during their first year. And I will bet that the economy tanks next year.
      . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b9e035e5ffc50090c090f0a83a80e03ee3fbc61d8d44d05b35317d1fc9bbd5b.png

      • Lazycrockett

        In all honesty a President has very little to do with the economy until it falters and crashes.

        • AmeriCanadian

          It’s all smoke and mirrors…and faith. Lot’s of faith (as in faith in the economic lookout).

        • safari

          Wait until the tax deal fails because of Donald overselling it.

      • Snarkaholic

        The travel industry certainly will!

  • JCF
  • Lazycrockett

    Joy Reid on All In after the break!!!

    • Lazycrockett

      Okay a couple of breaks.

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Lazycrockett
    • Barry William Teske

      Mitch McConnel.
      Got any spare taxes?

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Treant

      Are they…are they actually setting up to invoke the 25th before Mueller can send a quarter of Congress to the pokey?

    • gaycuckhubby

      🚾🎥

    • medaka

      Pee pee tapes!!

      • Treant

        Urine nation.

    • another_steve

      I have zero confidence that the Republicans in charge of the various congressional committees investigating Russiagate have any real interest whatsoever in getting at the truth. They recognize Russiagate for what it is – an existential crisis for their party and their reelection chances.

      I wish for all congressional Republicans this and this only:

      Small and difficult to repair hernias.

      • Talisman

        Anal abscesses and fissures for all.

        • Barry William Teske

          I’d be happy finding out they pushed too hard when on the loo.

        • Snarkaholic

          Golf ball-sized kidney stones, too!

          • Talisman

            with acute appendicitis and swimmer’s ear.

      • JohnJay

        Is that like an Old Testament curse? I thought it was hemorrhoids.

        • another_steve

          It’s a very ancient Jewish curse.

          I’m 65 years old. When I came of age, the curse was already centuries old.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Jared has two daddies!

    • Sam_Handwich

      yellow journalism!!

      • medaka

        Someone in the comment section over there said

        I can’t wait for details to *leak*. Ultimately, I predict a *stream* of information that will verify the dossier.

        • zherazhera

          If there really is a pee tape (three is) , isn’t it likely that Mueller has seen it? Poor guy!

          • AJayne

            Speaking of, I have to wonder, having read how horrible the tape probably is – was that the only piece of evidence Mueller did (or needed to) show all those very successful prosecutors to step out of million-dollar-per-year jobs and join his team?

          • -M-

            The Russians are the ones who would have it.

    • medaka

      Seth is on it — he just reposted a long tweet-thread FAQ about the pee tape.

      https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/916721604570288128

    • JCF
  • Talisman

    Rachel’s makeup artist really needs to learn how to blend the foundation around her eyes.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Talisman

      Too bad it’s not reality.

  • Lazycrockett
    • TuuxKabin

      Sigh. Love Pete.

  • safari

    You don’t say

  • ian

    Throwing away a Million dollars in a night to satisfy a gambling itch; disgraceful. That he’d do something like that rather than fund college tuition scholarships for bright but financially strapped students or something similarly beneficial for others, is a clue that he was a trump supporter. His motivation for shooting remains a mystery. It seems there may have been some underlying mental issue and something unknown pushed him over the edge. I’m sure that’s a common opinion I share with many people. The whole thing is just so sad and disheartening.

  • Barry William Teske

    I am not surprised by this.
    #45 just doesn’t understand the law of averages.
    Statistical fallacies be damned.

  • Talisman

    Listening to Rachel go on and on about the relationship between the elf & the dumpster, I’m beginning to wonder if maybe the Attorney General should be an elected position, so that the position is more independent of the President and subject to impeachment proceedings.

    • Adam King

      That’s a fine idea.

      • -M-

        Since obviously we can’t count on a Republican congress to vet appointees or conduct oversight.

  • another_steve

    Ohmigod I googled “quite the fan of President Donald Trump” and look what came up!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ad234e2fb47d838f6a2f726d47539b8d2eb7b6bc80c95b6aad7837c2b1a6059.jpg

    • Adam King

      I googled “wants to get paid more than it’s worth for boring sex” and got the same thing.

      • another_steve

        Lol. 😉

        You googled that only because you’re a slut.

        • Adam King

          With an inquiring mind.

  • JCF

    Rachel: new collusion scoop from the NYT!

    Comrade Carter Page this time!

    • JCF

      And we know Page TOLD the Drumpf Campaign about it. [So when they denied it they were, oh, what’s the term? LYING. ]

      • Lazycrockett

        “Page was a low level volunteer for the Drumpf campaign for a very small amount of time, he was basically Drumpf’s caddy for a weekend.”

    • safari
      • safari

        ^I regret posting this

        • Talisman

          You should.

      • worstcultever

        partyin’ partyin’ YEAH
        partyin’ partyin’ YEAH
        fun fun fun fun
        lookin’ forward to the weekend

        (shoot me, but I’ve always considered this nutty mess a minor classic)

    • another_steve

      Did Rachel get to it in the first 20 minutes of her segment?

      Or did she first give a 19-minute lesson on Calvin Coolidge and his dog “Pup” and how, tangentially, they’re related to our current political reality?

      • JCF

        The story BROKE while she was on the air. [And please spare me your snark.]

      • safari

        Hey. I like Rachael’s 15 minute intros.

        • another_steve

          Many JMG commenters do, judging from what I read in these comment threads.

          I find her style a bit condescending and insulting to the average viewer. The repetition of the same phrase (“did you hear me the first three times?”), an example of that.

          But she’s friend and family, and I love her. 😉

          • Talisman

            Sometimes I find it irritating. Mostly I just want her to get on with it.

          • BobSF_94117

            I don’t think you’ve got a very good grasp of the average viewer.

          • another_steve

            Lol. 😉

            Oh Bob, I am at heart a believer in the inherent goodness and wisdom of our species.

            Please don’t try to persuade me otherwise.

        • Lars Littlefield

          I’m fond of Rachael’s style, too. But you know how impatient drunks are. They only focus on stuff about them. And they always want to change the conversation to subjects no one else cares about. 🙂

  • MonochromeMouse

    No way! Who could have seen this coming? /s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8cxRnz0G14

  • Leo
    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Ah yes, purity politics, where pragmatism and logic die on the pyre of self-righteous indignation.

    • Lazycrockett

      There are no sanctuary cities in Virginia.

    • Blake J Butler

      I’m not seeing any fallout from this really, i thought it would be worse and i hope i’m right but i am not seeing indications that it is bad as it is.

      Two polls have come out new ones, one from the polling company, the crypt keepers polling company which had gillespie ahead by three.

      I did see that wikipedia added to their “declined to endorse” tab sanders, his revolution group.

      • JCF

        From your lips to FSM’s ears, Blake…

  • another_steve

    This comment thread is way too cerebral. Are there no mindless and salacious gay men reading on this fuckin’ blog?

    For cryin’ out loud…

    Some Czech twinks…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52666c3203a78e69512cd8cacab682d221600ba019dd071a467a837a13eae69a.jpg

  • Blake J Butler
  • Sam_Handwich

    lawrence has Pussy Riot on the show tonight

    • another_steve

      Joy Reid and Lawrence O’Donnell: The main reasons for watching MSNBC these days.

      • thatotherjean

        Hey, now–don’t go dissing Rachel Maddow by omission!

        • safari

          He finds her lovely intros upsetting.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Richard, another Canuck

      Beautiful Sam, thanks for posting. That ship’s departure was well timed.

      • TuuxKabin

        It’s all part of their scheduling. Works a lot of the time.

    • SoCalGal20

      Beautiful. We had a gorgeous sunset here. We had these sort of cotton candy looking clouds and the sun shining on them as it was setting was super pretty tonight.

      • djcoastermark

        Yes the moon has been gorgeous the past couple of nights. Went to dinner on one of the islands here last night and coming across the bridge over the bay, with the moon shining on the water, aah, perfection. Now i will cuss at you for mentioning cotton candy. It is a weakness of mine and you mentioning that reminded me the county fair just started here. Dagnabbit, now I have to go there and get some cotton candy. Actually hubs thinks it’s a good idea to go tomorrow night and make it a date night. I agreed.

        • SoCalGal20

          Oh lovely. I love county fairs (and the food festivals – Strawberry Festival, etc)! Have fun tomorrow.

    • Treant

      I thought tonight was the Lesbian Moon.

      Next month is the “Does My Ass Look Fat in These Short-Shorts” Moon.

    • safari

      We’ve got a couple hours. From the Farmer’s Almanac (appropriate Eastern Times):
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/909cf5f08600528f27a9217333b937cccdd985973ca5d920e44748ede16ccbb5.png

      • safari

        Either this years “Beaver Moon” came early or late.

  • MikeBx2
    • safari

      #Winning

    • JCF
    • Lars Littlefield

      So, empty.

      • -M-

        In more than one sense.

    • Treant

      It’s almost as empty as Ivanka’s widdle head. Almost.

      Is Ipumpya up front or has she not yet started? It’d be best to do it while she’s in process so you can see the fantastic interest of the people walking past on the sides as fast as they can.

    • Sam_Handwich

      it’s it the sabbath?

      • Treant

        Special dispensation because, like, reasons and stuff. And also, this is way more fun than, like, sitting around and, totally, praying. Grody.

      • safari

        If Jared colluded on the Sabbath is that extra special bad?

        • Treant

          It means we turn him over to Another_Steve for an appropriate punishment.

          I think it’s a second bris, but… This time, I think they use teeth.

          • madknits

            I once spoke with a man who was converting to Judaism, Modern Orthodox. He, like most men born in this country, had been circumcised shortly after birth. He said that in his community the rabbi would draw some blood from the penis. Rabbi A would take a pin and prick your prick (as it were) and draw a drop of blood, and you were ritually re-circumcised. Rabbi B, however, would take a razor blade and draw it down the length of your penis, also drawing (much more) blood in your ritual re-circumcision. He was desperately hoping he would get Rabbi A for this rite.

          • Treant

            Ew. I’m sorry, but any blood rite would be quite enough for me not to join a given religion.

            It’s a thing. Rabbis also used to suck the blood away which, if I remember, caused a problem when a given Rabbi suffered gum disease…and Hepatitis C. They may still do it in some backward locales.

          • BobSF_94117

            They do it in NYC, and the problem is herpes, which can be lethal to infants. And is.

          • Treant

            It sounds like there should be a law. You know, the same as there should be a law about vaccinations.

          • BobSF_94117

            They tried. It failed or was vetoed. Can’t remember.

          • Talisman

            Even though it was revealed that the rabbis were sucking the blood out of the penis.

          • another_steve

            We could talk.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/49e9c5e4b9a10db232102492cd0cf092febe601055242c5d3d03645562f1257a.jpg

            I’m culturally Jewish-only but have been associated through birth with many religious Jews. I’ve attended in-home religious circumcisions. I’ve never personally witnessed the “blood sucking” thing, but in ultra-Jewish families, it might very well be a thing.

            Aside from the vampire thing, your standard in-home circumcision is a ghastly thing to observe.

            My dear father (may he rest in peace) almost fainted watching his grandson get cut in his arms.

          • licuado de platano

            Not “used to”, but “still today” among certain sects.

          • JCF

            This is what my brother did, when he converted. The ‘A’ version I mean!

      • medaka

        I t happened on Friday — I think in the afternoon, since it was on the evening news. National broadcaster NHK made no mention of the multiple scandals — they have lurched to the right with Abe…

        • safari

          If you cross the dateline and it goes from Sabbath to non-Sabbath… is that a thing?

          • medaka

            I have no idea. I was raised a Presbyterian. We drank grape juice. The Sabbath is Saturday, right?

            I’m sure there must be ways around it. Isn’t that what religion does?

          • greenmanTN

            Here is an ultra-orthodox man on a plane, so he won’t accidentally get girl cooties. I’m sure there’s some absolutely ridiculous workaround because there always fucking is when “deeply held religious convictions” get in the way of people doing what they want.

            https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2013/04/rabbi-1.jpg

          • JCF

            Are we sure that’s not a dead body? [Looks like soon-to-be-dead body, in that strangulation bag!]

    • Lazycrockett

      Oh so she is already in Asia how convenient.

  • Lazycrockett

    So I guess Pussy Riot is gonna perform on The Last Word.

    • JCF

      It was just a couple of brief clips from their new video, out next week.

  • Dale Snyder

    Shocker!

  • safari

    Why is everyone on my twitter feed using #FireproofMueller as a thing?

    • Treant

      There’s a set of laws Congress could pass to, essentially, make Mueller (or any other special investigator) fireproof against a President who’s hot to fire them.

      Which they won’t because it’d be, like, bipartisan and shit.

      • safari

        And popular by more than 60% of the nation like banning assault rifles, implementing universal background checks, and legalizing pot.

        • Treant

          Exactly. We can’t have that, now can we? Bipartisan, popular laws that work to protect the populace from a potential dictator…the horrors.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lazycrockett
      • safari

        He’ll be back after a couple years.

        • Lazycrockett

          I doubt if he really needs to work anymore.

          • safari

            Neither does Donald yet here we are.

        • Talisman

          Hollywood loves a redemption story.

          They have embraced Mel Gibson again, after all!.

          • JCF

            Rightly or wrongly, anti-Semitism doesn’t rate the same as diddling boys on the forgiveability scale…

          • Talisman

            Well, Hollywood is all set to forgive Roman Polansky.

      • BobSF_94117

        This is appalling.

  • Leo

    I said I wasn’t going to post anymore tonight but I’m angry. Just angry. https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/926561899633930248

    • Lazycrockett

      beefy.

    • Blake J Butler

      I see no strap ass.

      Not impressed.

      • safari

        Still, have a poem

        I’d like to be your bicycle seat,
        Then every day, I could get a treat.
        Your sweet behind there on my face,
        That’s just a thought, I can’t erase.
        Squeezed between those luscious thighs,
        Not caring who your’e passing by.
        Firmly holding you in place,
        While you contented sit on my face.
        Lost in bliss as you ride down hill,
        Giving me one lovely thrill.

        –Don Juan Tenorio

    • Ninja0980

      But remember, Democrats are bad for running an ad suggesting Republicans are racist.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Why take a knee when you can take the crotch?

  • Blake J Butler

    Since we’re on the topic of crazy gun nuts. Here’s a primary challenger for Asa Hutchinson next year.

    https://twitter.com/JanMorganMedia/status/925213005113151489

    • Treant

      “Vote for Me and I’ll Ride My Gun!”

  • safari

    O/T: Since the flood, my office mate and I are switching to a darker-lit office with “fairy lights” providing novelty illumination. Currently we’ve installed green-lit leaf strands (no, not that kind) along ceiling. Does anyone have any other fun ideas for things like desk lighting? Like, I’m thinking of getting a lava lamp or one of those “fuzzy” fiberoptic lights. What else would be fun?

    • Adam King

      Radium. Lots and lots of radium.

      • Treant

        Oh! No, of course not, but some novelty tritium lighting could be fun!

        It’s not terribly bright, but powers itself, halves in brightness only after 12+ years, and if encased in glass and plastic as most are, emits no detectable beta radiation.

        (Tritium is a low-energy, weak beta radiator. As long as you don’t breathe the stuff or drink tritium water, your skin stops it).

        • safari

          Tritium signage tends to require a low-level approval from the NRC along with status updates including disposal and sale. It’s not *hard* to get, from what I gather. But the NRC daily indent reports tell me of their loss, which is relatively often. (Tritium in these signs won’t kill ya.)

          My favorite report from the NRC thus far:

          STOLEN THEN IMPROPERLY DISPOSED OF TRITIUM EXIT SIGNS

          A trustee prisoner was found to have removed 10 tritium ‘bulbs’ from 10 tritium exit signs at Marquette Branch Prison. The trustee prisoner was using the tritium bulbs as night lights. Eight of the 10 tritium bulbs were recovered. The trustee prisoner admitted to having broken two of the tritium bulbs and then flushed them down a toilet. The activity level of the tritium bulbs is unknown at this time.

          The recovered eight tritium bulbs are currently in secure storage. These tritium bulbs will be disposed of by an approved/licensed contractor. The trustee prisoner has been removed from trustee status.

          THIS MATERIAL EVENT CONTAINS A “LESS THAN CAT 3” LEVEL OF RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL

          https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2017/20170911en.html

        • Adam King

          I was just kidding but that sounds cool. The things one learns here!

      • safari

        I do want to visit a radium bath one day.

      • safari

        I could do uranium glass, but it glows best under black lights. I’m not sure I want my office bathed in black lights.

    • Treant
    • Lars Littlefield

      I’ve never tired of those strands of chile pepper xmas lights.

      • safari

        [ Don’t bake them into your pizza 😉 ]

        • safari

          Also, are you going to go back to your cowboy avatar or do you prefer the current one?

          • Lars Littlefield

            >You don’t like our wedding photo? 😉

    • SoCalGal20
    • greenmanTN

      How artsy/fartsy are you? With tissue paper of any color(s) and thinned down white glue or (better yet) Mod Podge you can cover a form like the inside or outside of a bowl or something similar to make a transparent wall sconce. (Don’t forget to use a form release of some sort, like a THIN layer of cooking spray, so you can separate the tissue from the form.) so long as the light behind it is LED or low watt fluorescent that doesn’t create heat there’s no fire danger.

      There are at least a thousand suggestions/instructions online for this and similar projects.

      Edit: translucent, not transparent…

      • safari

        My officemate builds 3d printers for fun. Such a procedure would be quaint and possibly interesting. I’ll pass it by him.

        • greenmanTN

          If he builds 3D printers chances are he’s familiar with instructables.com. There are approximately 8 bajillion lighting projects on instructables too, the one I described and many others.

          I want to do a concrete lamp with imbedded fiber optic cable. (I will never actually get around to doing it.)

          • safari

            Make it the latest and greatest and try to make it “foam concrete”, which I learned is the latest and greatest.

  • HenryJ

    It is also reported, according to campaign donation records, that Paddock also donated $10,000 to Trump’s presidential campaign.

  • Sam_Handwich

    National Sandwich Day is drawing to a close. Sad!

    • Treant

      “Bury Your Tongue in a Handw…Sandwich Today!”

      • Sam_Handwich

        yes, the occasional tongue has invaded my buns, but it was totally consensual!

        • Treant

          I prefer a tough piece of meat between two white buns.

          • Sam_Handwich
          • Treant

            Uh…I’ll be in my bunk.

          • safari

            You made me realize that flank steak is one thing I should prepare for next week’s meals.

          • Sam_Handwich

            i’ve never cooked flank. is it a marinate and grill sort of cut?

          • safari

            It’s tough without marination. I usually marinate overnight and then bake it slowly in foil.

          • Sam_Handwich

            oh yum! bake it dry in foil, or with liquid and veggies?

          • safari

            I bake it dry. It’s a relatively thin large-surface cut of meat, but it seems to work out in the end with the foil wrapping it.

          • djcoastermark

            I have found that marinating it overnight, as you said, then a quick grilling over high heat coals to med rare to be the best. This I learned from culinary school. However, your way sounds good too if a more done temp is desired. And as you said, it is how you slice it that makes it good.

          • safari

            I have grilled it before, but, alas, I don’t have a grill anymore. I do the foil method in the oven since that’s what I learned first.

          • Talisman

            My go-to method for most meats is to sear 2.5-3 min each side over medium-high head and then put in an oven preheated to 350 for 20-30 minutes (more for thick cuts, less for thin cuts). Haven’t tried it for cheaper cuts of meats, though.

          • djcoastermark

            Sounds good.

          • djcoastermark

            You could try a cast iron griddle skillet, the kind with the ridges, on high heat. Problem there is you must have good ventilation or the house gets smoky, and it can be messy, but still yummy.

          • safari

            I pan-sear meats. I’m familiar with such things.

          • safari

            *sigh* I already hate cleaning and seasoning my cast iron pans.

          • Dayglo

            I love the concept of cast iron pans but they’re too much freaking work.

          • Talisman

            The cut also important. I can’t remember the method, but I think you need to cut against the grain, to ensure the shortest fibers. If you cut with the grain, it makes the meat difficult to chew. Correct me if I’m wrong.

          • safari

            Yep, that’s right. Cut *perpendicular* to the fibers. Angling the cut also helps.

          • Sam_Handwich

            yup like brisket or chuck

          • Sam_Handwich

            i guess there are two ways people generally use it:

            like Safari posted below – marinate, then bake low and slow

            or marinate and then quick sear or grill to get it pink in the center, and then cut across the grain for stuff like fajitas. or cut if first and add to a stir fry

          • safari

            I want to use it as a multipurpose meat this week depending on if I’m aiming for tacos or over rice or in a gravy with potatoes or …

          • Sam_Handwich

            yay! i used to cook so much more than i do, and i miss it. but hubs schedule changed a couple of years ago with a career change. but i used to plan ahead like you’re doing, and i miss that, too!

          • safari

            I’m trying to plan ahead since fast food or frozen meals are very inciting after a day at work.

          • Talisman

            One thing I tried, and it work successfully until I just got lazy was to cook a week’s worth of meals on Sunday & pre-
            portion them in microwave-safe containers. In the evening, I could throw one in the microwave for 10 min at 20%-30% power and have a hot, nutritious meal with minimal effort.

          • safari

            I’m doing that now, but for things like gravies that go over freshly-cooked rice or potatoes. I haven’t gotten much beyond that, but I’ll freeze things like soup for later use since I live alone and can’t handle more than two days of the same thing a week.

          • Talisman

            If you do a week’s worth of meals, you can mix it up – buy the 2-packs of chicken breasts, pork, & beef. You can flavor each piece differently, and use different side dishes. It’s really not difficult. I often just used the various Ms. Dash offerings as flavor, while cooking the meat in the same pan.

          • safari

            Mrs. Dash is a flavor memory. My grandmother always kept a bottle of their original / lemon flavor around.

          • Gretchen

            If I happen across a good sale on ground beef, I buy several pounds and fry it all at one time in my stock pot. Then I can separate it into meal size portions to freeze. It’s a nice short cut for spaghetti, tacos, chili, etc. I do the same with chicken and boil and shred it to use later in chicken and dumplings, casseroles, enchiladas, etc. I usually try to make two extra servings with every meal to freeze for another night since there are just two of us at home now. I like to freeze things in those small foil pans and wrap them in a zipper bag and freezer paper. That makes it easy to pull them straight from the freezer into the oven. Many nights that’s the difference between real food for dinner and entrees in paper bags from drive thru windows.

          • Galvestonian

            Pork tenderloins are on sale here in Galveston for 99 cents a pound at our Kroger. I bought two 6 pound loins and cut them up for thick pork chops, a small pork roast and small pieces for other dishes. Froze most of it.

          • Gretchen

            That’s my kind of bargain. The best deal I usually find on them is $1.69/lb. I like to make a larger pork roast occasionally and then use the leftovers for pulled pork barbecue. I especially like topping potato skins with it.

            I have been buying sirloin and NY strip at Kroger when they have a sale on the bulk cuts. It’s particularly nice that they will cut and trim them to your tastes for no extra charge. I could eat a steak every night given the chance, so it’s nice to get a good deal on it.

          • Galvestonian

            Here in Texas … I think it’s because there are so many feral pigs … pork is on sale quite a lot — I’ve seen it as low as 88 cents a pound which is practically giving it away. Occasionally they’ll do boneless chicken breasts too at 99 cents a pound. I always take advantage of the sale and I’m constantly checking the manager mark-downs for savings.

            What with my lemon tree, blood oranges, limes, Chinese peaches, loquats and bananas ( 5 different varieties) I’m pretty well fixed for fruit. I just can’t grow any decent tomatoes. I’m trying out some zone 9 coconuts – they’re supposed to bear in 5 years.

          • Gretchen

            This was my first year of growing a full-fledged garden. I’m in TN in zone 7, so my tomatoes were very productive. I would like to grow fruit trees, but I just don’t think I could physically harvest them. I am planning to start a muscadine vine this spring, so hopefully I will have a decent crop in a 3-5 years.

            It sounds like you are getting great deals on meat. I can rarely find chicken breasts under $1.89/lb. I will probably pick up a few turkeys in the next few weeks while they are on sale. I have an electric roaster that makes cooking them easy. Last year I got two for .29/lb.

          • Galvestonian

            We never see them that low but once in a while ( if you spend at least $50. ) one of the local markets will give you a free one for Thanksgiving or will give you a free turkey if you buy a ham.

          • Sam_Handwich

            not sure of your diet, but

            homemade meatballs (sausage, etc) and sauce freeze well. you can cook pasta a day or two ahead and toss in a few dashes of olive oil and put in fridge to reheat later. lasagna/manicotti/stuffed shells all freeze perfectly.

            i make burritos and freeze them. refried beans, shredded cheese, shredded chicken, or beef or whatever….but nothing wetter than that.. fold up in tortillas, wrap individually and freeze. you can bake them later, or even put in a casserole and pour salsa and sprinkle cheese over…. 350 for like a half hour. tho you should put them in the fridge overnight to defrost a bit

          • safari

            Is the sauce okay to freeze with pasta dishes? And do you just reheat them in a pan?

          • Sam_Handwich

            frankly, i think pasta is best when it comes out of the pot of boiling water. like i mentioned, you can cook it ahead and preserve for a day or two, but it gets mushier as time goes on. if you really want to freeze it, you have to undercook it like you would for lasagna/manicotti/stuffed shells.

            on the other hand, sauces generally freeze well, so that’s the part i make ahead and freeze.

          • Gretchen

            If you freeze pasta, undercook it just a bit, and freeze it separately from the sauce (like a microwave dinner). When you reheat it, be sure to trap the steam, so it can finish cooking without drying out. A light rinse with hot water works magic on pasta if it is starting to get gummy or dry out.

          • greenmanTN

            If you are in the grocery store and they’ve marked down the roasted chickens, buy 2 or 3 of them, pull the meat off the bones and freeze it for use in dishes and chicken salad. Boil the bones for good stock. (I cheat and add boullion too.)

            And if you’re REALLY dedicated to not wasting anything…

            https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51MM8TBW6NL.jpg

            I seriously want to do that, but the guy who wrote the book is a dinosaur expert and it is physiologically correct and very complicated. IIRC it requires 5 or 6 roasted chickens for all the pieces.

          • safari

            Or I could eat Robert Falcon (*shudder*) Scott’s fruit cakes that are over a century old.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/world/europe/fruitcake-antarctica-scott.html

            This said, I want to make fruit cakes. I really do like them, and the people I get them from are dying as they approach 100.

          • safari
          • greenmanTN

            How would you know if a fruitcake is over 100 years old? 😉

            https://youtu.be/RLl_2ZmrRkQ

          • safari

            (before watching the video)
            Bring it to room temperature.
            Slice it like at about 1/2″.
            Butter it. I mean, fat helps flavoring, right?
            Eat it.

          • greenmanTN

            I actually made tuna/mac n cheese casserole tonight, with celery, mushrooms, peas, etc. It was from scratch, not a box of Kraft, so I redeemed myself somewhat with that.

          • safari

            I’d say it sounds delicious but my mother destroyed my ability to enjoy any sort of tuna casserole.

          • greenmanTN

            I am a pretty good cook and and have made dishes from around the world, pâtés, flambés, dishes that take days to assemble, but I also have no problem (lovingly) slapping a casserole together and saying “There’s dinner. Eat it or don’t.” I use threats of withholding my chicken/squash casserole to keep my family in line. 😁

          • safari

            Now you have to tell me about your chicken/squash recipe. I’ve literally never had that casserole combination in all my years of life.

          • greenmanTN

            Pretty much what it sounds like really. I started making it when I had a garden and the question “what do I do with all this GD yellow squash?” arose. The base is milk/eggs/butter/cheese/crushed crackers, but with lots of other veggies, chipotle pepper, roasted garlic, etc. with a crunchy top.

          • another_steve

            …but my mother destroyed my ability to enjoy any sort of tuna casserole.

            I so identify with that.

            It was only when I hooked up with my gentile husband that I came to love tuna casseroles again.

            They’re one of the reason I put up with him.

          • another_steve

            Love to you for that, greenman.

            On occasion, I buy all the raw ingredients of a good pizza — pizza dough, sauce, toppings — and attempt to make it from scratch.

            The result always sucks.

            Long live the commercial frozen pizzas.

          • greenmanTN

            If you haven’t had them, Screamin’ Sicilian is a good brand IMO.

            http://www.screaminsicilian.com

            Plus the box has a punch-out cardboard mustache you can wear so you look like an idiot while it bakes! (Pic is not me.) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09209fdb8c550a5149e2ef2f9043ede2acc7c7413ad400522043329d9cc39813.jpg

          • another_steve

            Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve seen that in my local store. I’ll check it out.

            I’m a pizza addict. I do all manner of pizza – red and white.

            Pizza is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.

          • Dayglo

            Mario Cantone is my second favorite Screamin’ Sicilian.

          • greenmanTN

            He works my nerves a little. When he goes into his fast-talking manic mode it reminds me of a yappy dog, and not in a good way.

          • safari

            (Edited to say *yep* instead of *nope* because I meant to say “Nope, you are not wrong” and “Yup, you are right”)

          • greenmanTN

            You are right, cut across the grain. Flank makes the best fajitas, Chinese beef dishes, etc.

      • safari

        “Subway: Eat Fresh”

    • djcoastermark

      Bite Me ! – todays motto.

      • Treant

        Do you taste like Pumpkin Spice?

        • djcoastermark

          yeech, too much and too overdone anymore.

          • Treant

            I’m testing a Pumpkin Spice bar I made in the shower at the moment.

            The scent is so overdone it’s ridiculous, and I personally don’t care for it. But the soap, at least, more than meets my demands for gift-giving.

          • djcoastermark

            I am not touching that statement with a ten foot pole. HeHe.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Especially if he’s got small electronics in there with him.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            So, did you make the soap in the shower, or are you posting to JMG while wet?

          • Treant

            All of the above. You should know by now that I’m eternally moist.

        • Pumpkin Spice = Abomination

          • Gretchen

            I made a pumpkin pie last week that was very good. I will pass on my pumpkin in anything else.

    • Cuberly Deux

      French dips are on the menu this weekend so, the end?…not so much.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Oops, I guess I should call them Freedom Dips.

    • another_steve

      Ham, to religious Jews, is treif (unclean, not kosher). I don’t share that particular mishegas, however.

      I would eat you, Sam.

      (Please understand this in the most platonic of ways.)

    • NZArtist

      This was a discussion over lunch today:
      If human flesh tastes like pork (long pig),can you make people bacon?

      • safari

        Yes. Someone most likely has.

      • Treant

        I guess so. You can make turkey bacon (OK) and beef bacon (pretty good) and soy bacon (yuck), after all!

        I’m just wondering if human fat has the same characteristics as lard in soap. 🙂

        • NZArtist

          Seen ‘Fight Club’?

    • fuzzybits

      Having thoughts of having an egg salad sandwich with Lisa Loopner. http://snl.jt.org/caps/characters/GiRa-Lisa%20Loopner.jpg

      • safari

        I could never handle egg salad sandwiches.

        • Sam_Handwich

          cold boiled eggs

          life is too short.

    • Dayglo

      I wouldn’t kick a turkey club on wheat out of bed tonight.

  • JCF

    Gah, Nadya, marry me!

  • GanymedeRenard

    Why, of course.

  • leastyebejudged

    Nice journalism there.

  • safari

    State Run Television Strikes Again
    https://twitter.com/jkarsh/status/926604241615044608

    • safari

      I cannot find confirmation, so take it with a large grain of salt.

    • Lazycrockett

      yeah its true they had Steyer on tonight. When the ad first aired on Faux and Friends they got a helluva lot of blow back.

      • safari

        Who had him on tonight?

        • Lazycrockett

          Chris Hayes.

  • Cuberly Deux

    OT: Apparently there’s a divorce penalty built into the GOP CUT CUT CUT Tax bill.

    “This change would tend to increase the total amount of tax paid by divorced couples, since the ex-spouse who pays alimony is typically the one with the higher income and who faces a higher tax bracket.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-plan-divorce-penalty-2017-11

    Um, I lost track of the number of articles noting that RED states have a higher divorce rate on average compared to blue states. Also, and I have qualms with this particular statistic because it’s more complicated…but, blue states have more kids living with two parents compared to DARK red states. I don’t regard that as a minus, more an indicator of the “moral” certitude of red states that lecture the blues, of a certain segment.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i’m inclined to think that the tax code rewrite is going nowhere.

      • Yeah, thank goddess. Way too many horrible provisions in there, everyone can find something they hate—even the Congressional GOPers.

        • Ninja0980

          My Rep hates it for the sole reason that if it gets passed, no vote or not he’s toast and he knows it.

          • Yep. Even in the Red states, they know it’s nothing but a giveaway to the rich, paid for by raping the poor and middle class *and* by exploding the deficit. Both of which are just about guaranteed to spark a deep recession, so then the pain only gets worse—and the Republicans will bleat about the need for severe austerity measures rather than restoring tax rates or programs cut.

        • Sam_Handwich

          it’s like the ACA “repeal” … Dotard and Co don’t understand any of the finer points, so he can’t sell any coherent plan. it’s left to Ryan and the teabags who just want to score him political points.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          The GOP made the mistake of pissing off quite a few business sectors on top of trying to rip off their constituents. The housing & realtors are furious. I can’t imagine the construction sector are too happy either.

          I think a bigger thing is that news REALLY has to get out that medical expenses can’t be deducted anymore. That’s going to hurt red staters hella big time too.

          • Medical expenses
            Charitable donations
            Student loan interest
            State and local income taxes
            Property tax deduction capped at $10k
            Mortgage interest deduction capped at $500k loans
            Moving expense deduction
            Child adoption tax credit
            Alimony payment deduction

            Meanwhile, there’s nothing in there which hurts the rich at all. On the contrary, every provision helps them in some huge way.

        • Cuberly Deux

          Interesting that in less than ONE day, I see commercials run over and over about how the GOP tax reform is totes awesome.

          I wonder how many PACs they coordinated with to pull that off. Or maybe even just one.

        • another_steve

          Americans who love America must hope and pray that this Republican “tax reform” goes nowhere.

          Conventional pundit wisdom has it that the failure of the orange sexual predator to get any legislation of import enacted in his first year will be catastrophic for Republicans come November 2018.

          The Democratic Party must do anything it can to help ensure that that is the reality come next year.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Totally agree.

    • Gretchen

      I wonder how much alimony is actually paid in red states. Most are dual income families and neither earn enough to make alimony feasible. I know a lot of divorced couples, but I can’t think of a single one who have alimony payments. Lots pay child support, but no one I know pays alimony.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Google is your friend troll.

        • Gretchen

          I’m sorry. I was just making an observation. I didn’t mean to come across as argumentative. Definitely not trying to troll. Apologies for butting into the conversation.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: This is a few years old but damn if it doesn’t distill what the fuck is wrong with GOPers and the like. I bet she has coffee with Donald Jr.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2014/10/dear_prudence_on_halloween_poor_kids_come_to_trick_or_treat_in_my_neighborhood.html

    “Dear Prudence,

    I live in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country, but on one of the more “modest” streets—mostly doctors and lawyers and family business owners. (A few blocks away are billionaires, families with famous last names, media moguls, etc.) I have noticed that on Halloween,what seems like 75 percent of the trick-or-treaters are clearly not from this neighborhood. Kids arrive in overflowing cars from less fortunate areas. I feel this is inappropriate. Halloween isn’t a social
    service or a charity in which I have to buy candy for less fortunate children. Obviously this makes me feel like a terrible person, because what’s the big deal about making less fortunate kids happy on a holiday? But it just bugs me, because we already pay more than enough taxes toward actual social services. Should Halloween be a neighborhood activity, or is it legitimately a free-for-all in which people hunt down the best candy grounds for their kids?

    —Halloween for the 99 Percent”

    • Hue-Man

      Simple solution – hand out lumps of coal to the undeserving!

      • OdieDenCO

        your bank account must be this big to trick or treat here.

        • JCF

          Zing!

    • Sam_Handwich

      there was a similar opinion posted at our local rightwing AM talk radio website by one of their professional blabber mouths … he compared kids from other parts of the city to “locusts”

      https://twitter.com/Holdthebaloney/status/925384096414666755

      • Ningsisa

        Yeah and I think we know what kind of poor kids he meant when he said “‘hood.”

    • ECarpenter

      I was at a friends handing out candy. Another friend of theirs had been making this same complaint (in a working class neighborhood – we’re none of us wealthy) when a bus drove by. He said “look, they’re busing them in now!”.

      Of course, it was just the normal city bus on its normal route, and it was pretty much empty, but these assh oles see what they want to see.

      • Gretchen

        The simple solution is to just leave the porch light off and ignore any door bell ringing. If one can’t play nice and make whichever child who appears at the door happy, one does not deserve to participate in the festivities.

    • greenmanTN

      I used to live in a neighborhood that got hundreds and hundreds of trick or treaters (300-400) and I LOVED it! I’d buy a ton of candy, put out some low-level decorations, and sit out on the porch with friends, drinking cocktails, because opening and closing the door was a waste of time. I’d also buy some cheap Halloween themed toys (wind-up walking skulls and such) and keep them semi-hidden. Those were my private awards for best costumes and the itty-bitties, the babies and toddlers on their first outings.

      This lady is just a bitch and (I looked it up) Prudence pretty much told her so, in kinder words.

    • Nychta

      One of the reasons I love Halloween is that folks come to my neighborhood from all over Phoenix. This year I sat in a driveway with seven other neighbors, and we ate chili and cornbread and distributed candy to all who came by. No one cared that the kids and parents weren’t from our neighborhood. The costumes were delightful. Everyone got into the spirit of the evening, and we ran out of treats around 7:30, which was fine. No one was keeping score. It was win-win for all.

  • blackstar
  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/926608409587306496?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
    Remember folks, that ad earlier in the week saying all Republicans were racist was bad and enraged them but Republicans saying Democrats support child rapists is a-ok.
    And why are Republicans talking about cultural issues if Democrats are the one’s obsessed with identity politics?

  • blackstar
    • blackstar
      • Cuberly Deux

        Oh, Donna…..sad sad Donna.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HtHEgINHO0

        • safari

          Brazil is a movie that enters into one’s soul.

          Even the theme you posted frobz my brain in ways I would not like to discuss in open.

          • greenmanTN

            Yes, and other Terry Gilliam films as well like Time Bandits and, for me, 12 Monkeys. Even when he misses, like with The Brothers Grimm, he still hits in a few places.

            Since Brazil is at heart 1984…

            https://youtu.be/OsqW5xYg2_w

          • safari

            He frightens me.

            I aborted the video. Tonight’s context is not compatible.

    • JCF

      Fucking THIS.

    • The
      Propaganda
      NEVER
      Stopped

      Only fools think it did.

      • Lazycrockett

        The Bros are so desperate, they will latch on to anything instead of the truth. The dems rejected Bernie.

        • Sam_Handwich

          do not inflame the great and powerful Manbun Ken !

        • Yeah, they’re still bringing up Wisconsin, as if Trump/Russia targeted advertising & social media bots had no effect. As if Voter ID laws had no effect. As if the detected attempted voter registration hacking had no effect. As if GOP fucking with polling hours and locations had no effect. As if Waukesha goddamned county’s impossible GOP-vote totals & turnout numbers had no effect.

          And as if some Bernie supporters urging people not to vote or to vote 3rd party had no effect.

          • Sam_Handwich

            Juliette Kayyem said on Boston Public Radio this week that she thinks the election results were screwed with in WI. i’ve agreed right along.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/53c9abd2848a9972d9588e6287a4d246225908465e0829e438b521d9a546aae8.png

          • Lazycrockett

            I have said numerous times when the dust clears and Drumpf and his shit it out of office, slowly the truth will come out. Russia stole the election. Everyone in DC knows it but they are trying to control the message and the reaction.

          • And the Republicans are desperate not to be run out of office along with him.

          • Lazycrockett

            When Maxine Waters left the CIA/FBI meeting the week after the election last November and said basically “You cant trust these guys.” It was all obvious.

          • Nychta

            I think we’ll see more Republicans jumping ship as it becomes more evident that being aligned with Trump is the kiss of death, and, hey, they were ready to retire anyway.

          • We need them to take the next step up from retiring: Staying in office, but caucusing with the Dems as either an independent or switch entirely to Democrat.

          • Reality.Bites

            They will never do anything to help Democrats.

            Any Republican opposing Trump is doing it because they think Trump is harming the party. Not the country. The party. Any solution they have is aimed at helping the Republican Party without any gain for the Democrats.

          • another_steve

            I’m pretty confident that something horrible for the Republicans is coming. I think that’s why we’re seeing some Republicans starting to say, “I’m not running for reelection.”

            Something wicked this way comes.

            For their party.

          • JCF
          • Ninja0980

            It’s been made clear voter id laws in WI ensured both Hillary & Russ Feingold would lose.

          • RMJ

            Hey Becca,

            So I Googled “Waukesha county’s impossible GOP-vote totals” – unbelievable…. Talk about under-reported. We get more and more of these types of situations every damned election. I’m thinking we need to start inserting poll watchers, hiring a shit-ton of computer forensics experts and examining vote totals under a microscope to even make in dent in the nefarious actions of these treasonous assholes. It’s definitely going to take us getting to the polls every election to finally start getting dems elected in local elections before we’ll even get a foothold on fair elections. This is fucking insane…

            http://progressive.org/dispatches/wisconsin-s-presidential-results-unbelievable/

        • another_steve

          Why the Democratic Party allowed Sanders to even run against registered Democrats (e.g., Hillary Clinton) in the primary is totally beyond me.

          Perhaps someone here can explain it to me.

          • Lazycrockett

            and I don’t get it either. Now you have Bannon who is going to primary everyone except for Cruz and the RNC seems to be just like “Oh No?” Kick Bannon and his fascist to the curb and don’t let them run as a R.

          • They weren’t counting on Bernie to keep running even after he had no mathematical path to the win, thereby chewing up resources.

            I suspect it was deemed helpful to at least look to be open to challengers, and Bernie was the only one with any chance to start with.

            But he was doing active harm to the Democrats by repeatedly claiming the primaries were ‘rigged’ (they weren’t), and then by behaving as if he had a right to try to steal the nomination on the convention floor.

            He did do the right thing afterwards and campaigned for Clinton, but by then the damage was done.

      • Cuberly Deux

        While I didn’t like Josh Marshall’s headline, I agreed with the content of his piece.

        “Donna Brazile Needs to Back Up Her Self-Serving Claims”

        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/donna-brazile-needs-to-back-up-her-self-serving-claims

        There’s a rather simple way to expose the truth here folks.

      • Cuberly Deux

        BTW-Chuck Todd today gleefully agreed with another talking head, that after Brazille’s claims the Dems could break away from the (evil) Clinton’s influence and start anew.

        I watched that segment and went….um, maybe Todd is a misogynist pig. he certainly wasn’t being a journalist, looking for further evidence or proof of Brazille’s claim. He was literally jumping up and down at the thought of Hillz getting another fake black eye.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      And the usual suspects and petulantly pandering purity politicos are already lapping it up and preparing to repeat 2016 and give the GOP exactly what they want, absolute control.

  • MBear

    So….yeah: terrorist

    • JCF

      Too pale for that designation.

    • Sam_Handwich

      he was a quiet, misunderstood 2nd amendment enthusiast.

      #MAGA

  • Lazycrockett

    Good Lord Jeffery Lord is on Real Time. Rob Reiner drag him.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Better yet, dick punch Maher the desperate fool.

    • greenmanTN

      There are so many of these people floating around I have to look them up to remember who they are. “Oh yeah, that Margaret Rutherford-looking motherfucker.”

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Margaret_Rutherford.gif

      • Lazycrockett

        Madonna never solved anything. Shame.

        • greenmanTN

          Que? Madonna?

    • Dayglo

      I watched Real Time and later stumbled upon Jimmy Fallon’s anemic show where I thought I’d seen the ghost of a late-career Mae West. It turned out to be Madonna, who appeared expressly to push her skin care line.

  • safari
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Is there any way to get people to come out against it like they did against the Obamacare repeal?

      Also I’ll never get over the fact that Gop voters seems shocked! shocked! that the party they vote for is once again trying to make rich people rich and poor people poor. Man, I got this when I was in grade school.

      • Lazycrockett

        Oh in the bill also contains ways to stripe away medicaid and medicare.

      • Lazycrockett

        To still listen to talking heads talking bout the trickle down economics AGAIN is such fucking bullshit.

    • Lazycrockett

      It would also be a disaster for those in the Humanitarian studies.

      • safari

        Who are often left out of any of these higher education discussion.

        • safari

          Humanities are entering into a new era that almost nobody realizes.

          • Only in America. Other countries around the globe—1st, 2nd, and 3rd world countries—all recognize the value of higher education, including non-STEM degrees. Most other countries where they aspire to be greater than they are now will offer free or nearly free college and university tuition, even to the point of covering U.S. rates if warranted.

          • ultragreen

            If my memory serves me correctly, there was a presidential candidate who campaigned on that

            (whistling innocently)

          • Basically, if an American wants that degree in medieval history or classical literature or fine arts, the best places to look now are all abroad.

            Increasingly now, it’s also the case for the sciences…

          • safari

            Totally agree.

            But I was suggesting the “new” era of humanities. The research centers that predict how threads like this one will proceed: identifying individual sub-threads, their contents, and predicting their impact and influencing them.

            You know. Little things /s

          • Heh. Couldn’t agree more.

          • Tulle Christensen

            Sounds like a good Foundation

          • greenmanTN

            How so?

          • safari

            The initial advancement of psychology into a scientific manner began at the start of the 20th century. At this point altering human perception to create a response is a field. Humanities as a field has altered from observation to application.

          • greenmanTN

            Sniffing out that manipulation is difficult and, beyond a certain level, likely impossible. Due to… odd socialization and quirks in my upbringing I think I’m more resistant to it than most but I still catch myself being susceptible.

            Language is a virus, after all…

          • safari

            I’ve met multi-year-funded departments that say you’re wrong.

          • greenmanTN

            Wrong about which part?

            That it’s hard to detect?
            That I’m more resistant?
            That language is a virus?

          • safari

            That influencable threads are detectable.
            That they can be influenced.

          • safari

            Language itself, though, is something else from all I know. The podcast Radiolab is a start. It is quite powerful.

          • greenmanTN

            Influencable threads being conversation, online or off?

            I don’t think I’m conversant enough in your specialty to understand your meaning.

          • safari

            Offline data sets are used to train, online are used to test, the process is iterated.

          • greenmanTN

            You aren’t indulging in that favorite pastime of the humanities, making language impenetrable instead of plain so that interpreters (themselves) are always needed, are you? 😉

    • safari

      Graduate studies are *expensive*. Many fields of study (like most STEM) offer stipends in exchange for research and teaching obligations at a rate between $20-30k per year *when there is funding*. That money is already taxed (thanks Reagan), but the tuition (but not necessarily other “fees”) is tax exempt. The rate for graduate classes is quite high. The tuition is “waived” for many students as part of their contracts. Now it would be considered taxable income under the GOP.

      The theory goes that the higher pay later will cover the debts. That’s not always the case, especially if someone wants to do something truly innovative.

      • safari

        For the pragmatic parent: do you want your students taught by people who worry about just living?

        The community college professors are already there and poorer than they should be. Many do it out of the goodness of their hearts since the pay is so poor.

        Extending it to different levels of education is continuation of a disaster.

        • Bomer

          My English/Humanities prof in community college had a part-time job at Barnes and Noble to help pay the bills.

    • ultragreen

      College students would have to take out student loans to pay their income taxes. Their income taxes could exceed their monthly stipends at places like Harvard and Yale. The Reagan administration tried to tax tuition waivers, but they backed away from it after receiving an avalanche of complaints from expensive private universities and often wealthy parents of students. One thing is clear: Republicans really, really hate smart people.

      • safari

        But that was during the cold war.

        • ultragreen

          Yes, but now there is a greater threat to our superpower status than the Cold War: a resurgent China.

          • safari

            China’s threat to the US economy is its ability to innovate outside a formal environment. Stores with products on the ground floor, components further up in the building, and workers tinkering on the top is quite mesmerizing. Disregard patents and you get rapid iteration.

            I don’t see it as a physical threat to the US. Intellecutally, welp, we’ll have to find a happy medium.

  • blackstar
    • Lazycrockett

      The tweet I read today, which Im not going to search for, is basically according to someone who has been interviewed by Mueller is everyone in the WH is throwing everyone else under the bus. Actually it was in a Becca thread.

      • It was? Could’ve been, I guess, I’ve had a busy day. I know I read the same thing.

        Wouldn’t be surprising though. They all KNOW Donald’s word is useless, his promises pointless, and he’s loyal to absolutely nobody but himself. I fully expect he’d be fine with Kushner being sent to prison if he believed it meant saving his own bloated hide.

        He’ll pardon only to protect himself. But by now he’s probably been told that if he pardons figures like Manafort, that just means Manafort can then be compelled to produce testimony absent 5th Amendment protection.

        I also have this weird feeling that Sessions is playing a deeper game than we’ve guessed thus far. The rabid elf is evil, but he’s not that stupid. Sure, we’ve been told he offered to resign back in May, but did that actually happen? Or was there a conversation where he said, “Sure, Mr President, fire me if you like or I can resign. If that happens, sir, I’ll no longer have any reason to stay quiet now, will I?”

        It’s the only reason I can come up with for Donald continuing to heap abuse on Sessions, but keep stopping short of firing him.

        Anyway, the WH is full of weasels. Of course they’re gonna turn on each other.

        • JCF

          “WH is full of weasels”

          Weasel House! 😉

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Which Becca. I posted the cartman being thrown under the bus video when referring to everyone in the white house.

    • TuuxKabin

      Several years ago, taking BART across the bay, on a hill over looking the tracks, towards the closest BART station to Walnut Creek, don’t remember if there is a WC station, out the window, on the left, out bound is a large sign with the number of dead count in Afghanistan. In what appeared to be an affluent neighborhood.

    • JCF

      Would be more excited if this were, say, Pittsburgh…

    • Rebecca Gardner

      That’s a couple blocks from my apartment. It’s been there for months.

  • Lazycrockett

    K watching real time, um Muslims aren’t the only ones that would toss gays off the building if given the chance.

    • Roy Moore only wants to START with imprisoning us.

  • blackstar
    • Jean-Marc in Canada
      • ultragreen

        Both Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren have stated that the Democratic primary was rigged to favor Hillary Clinton. This was very obvious from the very beginning when ALL of the superdelegates promised to vote for her before the primary even started.

        • greenmanTN

          How shocking that party delegates would affirm their support for an actual party member over someone who is NOT a member, only claiming it momentarily for his own advantage and convenience! Why, the nerve of THEM! 🙄

          Fine. How about this? NEVER FUCKING AGAIN ALLOW A CANDIDATE TO SWITCH PARTIES ***ONLY*** FOR THE ELECTION! That seems like a pretty good and sane rule to me.

          • Lazycrockett

            Hillary was the only one giving money to down ballot candidates that desperately needed support.

        • Lazycrockett
        • BeaverTales

          You’re right. Despite the disastrous Trump presidency, donors aren’t writing checks a year later because of “What Happened”.

          The only way to fix the DNC is for them to start acknowledging what happened during the primaries, otherwise we can kiss the 2018 midterms goodbye.

          DNC Struggling to Raise Money -October 22, 2017
          https://politicalwire.com/2017/10/22/dnc-struggling-raise-money/

          DNC Struggles to Cash In on Anti-Trump Fervor -Aug 2017
          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/dnc-struggles-cash-anti-trump-fervor-n794941

        • Eli Bradley

          Huh. You’d think that she had maybe ran before and knew the process to get an early edge or something…

          Oh, and I guess it helps that she’s -ALWAYS- been a Democrat… but continue to incorrectly use the word rigged.

        • stevenj

          Democrats pledging to vote for an actual Democrat. Imagine that.

    • Lazycrockett

      Donna has been trying her best to tweet herself out of this, she has been tweeting bout voting on tuesday like no tomorrow. She made a bad call.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        She wrote a bad book.

      • Sometimes the wisest thing would be to just stop tweeting. Too many people just don’t realize this.

      • ultragreen

        No, she just blurted out the obvious truth in her book. End of story.

        • Lazycrockett

          Book isnt out yet, which you know if you did some research and Donna has retracted what the publisher’s PR team has stated. You really need to keep up with reality.

          • TuuxKabin

            u_g? reality? disconnect.

        • BeaverTales

          It doesn’t pay to tell the truth . Even $1.2 Billion dollars couldn’t paper over the fact that Bernie never had a chance against a corrupt DNC.

          I worry that they will “Anita Hill” Ms. Brazile. I believe her, because it checks out with everything the MSM news has reported on this issue.

          Many people will have no qualms about throwing the credibility of a black woman under the bus to save Hillary’s credibility. I will be very disgusted with the DNC if that happens. Brazile obviously has no reason to lie for Hillary Clinton anymore. Hillary can’t rewrite history once the documents are made public. That train came and went.

  • safari

    Another O/T: I did a lot of code debugging today. The clip that I am posting is from the movie 2010, which follows 2001 as humans try to understand what the hell happened. They re-enter the ship Discovery, and this man– a creator of HAL and his siblings– attempts to bring him back online. I’m just posting this since it is a usual day in the life of a programmer that those outside the field might understand.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXgboDb9ucE

    • Tulle Christensen

      I am working on porting a 32bit dll to 64bit, which is usually a fairly mechanical process as long as good programming practices were followed.

      Which of course they were not….so let me go and bang my head against the wall some more while I figure out what the call to 0x4cea94 was for….

  • Cerberus

    Yup, that figures.

    I don’t know about y’all but I’m somewhat terrified that we have a disconnected from reality dictator wanna-be obsessed with nuclear weapons and running out of options. That has as his followers an army of escalating mass murderers who are getting more and more empowered to exercise their murder fantasies.

  • greenmanTN
    • TuuxKabin

      Hillaryous! Is it a Polish sausage? Did you make it?

      • greenmanTN

        Not I, said the Little Red Hen.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Tulle Christensen

      Yea but why check things out first when you can just mindlessly attack Hillary?

      • gaycuckhubby

        It’s our national pasttime!

        • greenmanTN

          More popular than baseball!

    • Leo

      Trying to dissect the comment war in that thread gave me a migraine. Bernie wing saying they’re referring to a separate memo re: the primary but idk.

    • Treant

      Yeah, but it provided three days of distraction from the Trump Treason Train so, as far as Putin’s concerned, mission accomplished.

      Given that it’ll provide idiots without the ability to vet information years of distractions against the DNC, mission even more accomplished.

      And it lets the few remaining BernieBots to feel great about a candidate that lost by millions of votes and feeds their sunk cost fallacy about somebody who visibly turned into a nasty jerk. Mission totally accomplished.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Will Donna Brazile be drummed out of the party?

  • ChrisMorley

    REPORTED and FLAGGED

    2 FAKE Scamming Names today
    – Sharon
    – Kendra

    https://www.bbb.org/globalassets/shared/media/news-center-articles-images/scams/job_scams.jpg

    • DonnaLee

      They’re showing up like mad lately.

  • JCF

    Very moving ad, by an elderly Aboriginal Australian, in favor of marriage equality (makes comparisons to the discrimination he faced, that LGBTs face now). Language warning: contains the N-word (as he describes hateful things said to him).

    https://twitter.com/IndigenousXLtd/status/922134182301593603

    • djcoastermark

      That is a really good ad. nice find.

    • greenmanTN

      Great ad. He seems very vital for 92. Interesting warning at the beginning about there maybe being images of people now dead in the ad, though. What is the specific cultural taboo or fear?

  • SoCalGal20

    Meanwhile in CA…some Bitcoin billionaire was cleared to start gathering signatures for his proposed ballot measure to split California into THREE states.

    https://twitter.com/nbcla/status/926770015206076416

    • Treant

      Why don’t they just call it Logland, Fogland, and Smogland?

      (Also, yes, it’s obviously a way to pack the Senate with four Republican Senators while retaining 2 Democratic Senators, just as any suggestion to divide Texas is to stack the Senate).

      • djcoastermark

        I think that’s pretty much the idea. Divide so there’s more cons, er, repugs.

        • Treant

          If so, we really need to demand that Georgia be divided into the state of Atlanta and Lesser Georgia. I can think of ten more off the top of my head. 🙂

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I think Austin would be an awesome state.

  • SoCalGal20
  • Boreal
  • Jay Silversmith

    …and you can just BET that a good portion of those stock market profits are illegal and ill-gotten, only to come out at some future investigation.

  • leastyebejudged

    Seems very fishy to me, and dishonest, this headline and the actual article that contradicts it.

    Seems to me Joe is much more a shameless liar than a journalist.