DOJ May Charge Russian Officials For DNC Hacking

The Hill reports:

Department of Justice investigators have identified at least 6 Russian government officials who took part in hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC), The Wall Street Journal reported early Thursday. Prosecutors may file charges next year, according to the report, but the individuals likely won’t be indicted in the United States.

The newspaper noted that the investigation into the hacking is separate from that of special counsel Robert Mueller, who is conducting a probe into Russia’s election interference and any potential ties between President Trump’s campaign staff members and the Kremlin.

The Wall Street Journal story is behind their paywall.

  • David J

    “Prosecutors may file charges next year” Next year? Why not today?

  • Boreal
    • Harley

      Took me a minute to see what I was looking at here.

    • Joe in PA

      I like it.

    • FAEN

      Ohh I see it now!

    • Joe in PA

      When?

      • Boreal

        ? Only Mueller knows.

  • Henry Auvil

    Wait. I thought the whole Russian hacking thing was a hoax. I’m confused.

    • Tawreos

      It depends on what is most convenient at the time.

    • lymis

      Ah, you’re confused.

      This is the “really happened but we wish it hadn’t so we’ll pretend it didn’t” kind of hoax, not the “never happened and people are claiming it did” kind of hoax.

      Like “fake news.”

    • greenmanTN
  • Leo

    Ties in with this exhaustive AP investigation on the exact thousands of e-mails hacked into. Proof’s now definitive. https://twitter.com/AP/status/925954826604896256

    • Joe in PA

      From the article: Secureworks stumbled upon the data after a hacking group known as Fancy Bear accidentally exposed part of its phishing operation to the internet.

      Hmm, speaking of that…@billbear61 has been conspicuously absent lately. Coincidence?

    • clay

      Fox News will announce “Clinton campaign was at center of a vast, Russia-linked hacker” conspiracy.

      • Daveed_WOW

        I think they already did. They’ve been doing it since last summer!

  • Barry William Teske
    • clay

      You’re not nearly dense enough to be the center of the earth.

  • Blake Jordan

    Would Sessions really do this? Surely he is going to be super fucked by all this russian collusion / treason…

    Or is there a way they can go around him?

  • Tawreos

    Are other countries looking into Russian interference and hacking? Was there any? I know a few times it has been speculated on when other countries have had votes, but I was just wondering if anything had actually been found?

    • Blake Jordan

      Other countries have better systems to limit the effect of russian propaganda…
      Including laws that force Facebook, etcetera to actually block russian propaganda, unlike the USA.

      • djcoastermark

        Flea speech or something like that.

  • Boreal
    • Joe in PA

      not going to click…my comment: of course he did. 🙁

    • Karl Dubhe

      Sure, cause if you’re well lubed it can’t be rape. Right?

      /banging head on desk…

    • Tawreos

      He does know this is not the campaign trail and he doesn’t have to try to out-stupid Trump anymore, right?

      • Karl Dubhe

        He’s not trying…

        • Joe in PA

          lol

      • djcoastermark

        You know little boys and their egos.

    • Todd20036

      Our head of department of energy people.

      • FAEN

        But his wife made him get glasses so he looks smarter 😏

        • clay

          only works until he opens his mouth.

          • Joe in PA

            But not really.

        • kareemachan

          Instead it dumbed him down even more.

          Oops.

          • FAEN

            I honestly didn’t think that was possible.

    • FAEN

      Speaking of fossil fuels

      http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1D14G0

      I understand how changing careers can be frightening but seriously, these people continue to shoot themselves in the foot and then blame the ‘elites’.

      • Rex

        If he’d said “fossil fools” in reference to people like himself, I might agree.

      • Boreal

        Dumb as stumps. Think coal is coming back and dump will make it happen.

      • The_Wretched

        Solar and wind are cost competitive these days. Coal has a place but it’s limited. It should be criminal to lie to workers about the future of various sectors.

        • FAEN

          Can you lie to the willing?

    • clay

      “Perry said that using fossil fuel to push power into remote villages in Africa is necessary and will have a “positive role” in peoples’ lives. President Trump has called for expanding domestic production of fossil fuels to export.”

      The electrification of rural Africa is NOT dependent on fossil fuels and would be SLOWED if Africans relied on them. The rapid expansion of lights for education (not to stop sexual assaults, which, unlike intimate sex, isn’t usually in the dark) is based on solar micro-grids.

      • Boreal

        The future of power everywhere is going to be decentralized solar micro grids. I predict we will see this in Puerto Rico as they rebuild. It’s much easier to repair when catastrophe strikes and more cost efficient.

  • Joe in PA

    Prosecutors may file charges next year, according to the report, but the individuals likely won’t be indicted in the United States.

    Legal beagles, what will happen? Is this just to inform everyone that this occurred? I thought the intelligence community did that last year. Hmmm. Yes, yes, I’m a little dense.

    • djcoastermark

      I am wondering the same. If the ones charged are from russia, I can’t see it doing much good other than making a statement.Unless it could tie into Muellers investigation somehow.

      • Joe in PA

        And coming from DOJ…I’m surprised Keebler Elf didn’t squash it.

        • djcoastermark

          The big busty lady hasn’t started singing yet.

    • lymis

      I’m not a legal beagle, but one of the things that Rachel Maddow, through her guests, has been exploring is that while “collusion” is not a crime because it isn’t a legal term, “conspiracy to commit a crime” is a real thing. And in order to convict someone of that, the crime that they conspired to – by, for example, setting up meetings with people who illegally hacked and disseminated emails and accepting their help in your campaign – has to be identified and verified.

      Having the hacking be officially and legally declared a crime lays some important groundwork that it’s something Americans could have conspired to help commit or benefit from.

      • Joe in PA

        Thanks Lymis.

  • Harveyrabbit

    And how many Americans are they going to charge for aiding and abetting? Let me make at least one suggestion…..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6513270ebf2d9c8425ac85b64f7dc4e404bfc6bdcd014564d87317c8a33166d5.jpg

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      You just know liddle’ Donnie is going to eat that nasty booger.

      • Harveyrabbit

        Tastes like chicken (McNuggets).

        • Todd20036

          Probably healthier than McNuggets.
          Pink slime, anyone?

    • djcoastermark

      Needs a warning posted !!!! aeyeee.

    • FAEN

      Eww

    • Steverino

      Melania should be doing that, since she is a gold digger.

      • Tawreos

        No, she has to go dig for gold by doing much worse tasks

    • TominDC

      That is one ill-fitting jacket.

  • Do Something Nice

    OT: Bombshell buried here.

    Donna Brazile’s own words. Clinton owned the DNC.

    “I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election.”

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

  • Boreal

    OT:
    Michael Flynn Followed Russian Troll Accounts, Pushed Their Messages in Days Before Election
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/michael-flynn-followed-russian-troll-accounts-pushed-their-messages-in-days-before-election

  • gaycuckhubby
    • clay

      Then it should also strip them of tax exempt status, at least for property taxes (which pay for local emergency and streets services).

      • Daveed_WOW

        They should be stripped of all tax exemptions period.

    • FAEN

      Do churches follow the amendment anyway? Are they ever punished for not doing so?

      • The_Wretched

        No but I still like it being on the books.

        • FAEN

          Absolutely. My comment was more exasperation.

      • (((GC)))

        The appropriations bill which passed the House (HR 3354) has a provision (Sec. 116) which specifically forbids the IRS from enforcing the Johnson Amendment against “a church, an integrated auxiliary of a church, or a convention or association of churches” — unless the Commissioner of Internal Revenue signs off on it, and even then the church is immune for 90 days.

        https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr3354/text/pcs#link=D_I_116&nearest=HE0043999FC7744B2B2806264FC70328C

        I don’t know what will be included in the tax bill. It may be a direct repeal of the Johnson Amendment.

        Worth mentioning again: churches don’t have the same disclosure and transparency requirements as other nonprofits. They don’t have to file Form 990. We don’t know who gives them money, or how much, or where that money goes. Churches can easily become massive conduits of anonymous political dark money.

        • FAEN

          That’s dangerous. Very dangerous.

          • ChrisMorley

            It’s a well established ‘laundry’ for dark money.

          • FAEN

            That does not surprise me.

      • Halou

        They discovered a neat little loophole. Rather than endorsing a candidate by name they instead preach about all the issues a certain candidate promises to act on.

        “Vote for whoever you think (nudge. wink) will outlaw gay rights, ban abortion, scrap civil rights, ally with the Saudis more intimately than is already the case, and will institute us, the church, as the 4th branch of government.”

        • FAEN

          Yep! That’s why I asked about the amendment. This loophole should be taken care of.

          • (((GC)))

            As I understand it, tax-exempt nonprofits, like other groups, are allowed to talk about issues, and compare the major candidates on issues they care about. They can publish scorecards, and even have candidates’ forums as long as they’re nonpartisan and ALL the major candidates are included or invited. They just can’t show favoritism for or against specific candidates. (And keep their tax-exempt status.)

            That’s plausibly one of the reasons that tRump filed as a candidate for reelection on the day of his inauguration (as opposed to other first-term presidents who’ve typically waited two years or so) — so groups like Planned Parenthood would have to be especially careful not to say things that could be construed as opposing Candidate Trump in 2020.

          • FAEN

            Thank you for that.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      …and the march to theocracy continues on its merry way…

      • JCF

        Christianist theocracy. You can bet if mosques endorse candidates, their “religious liberty” will get a visit from the FBI (nevermind the IRS).

    • Halou

      No representation without taxation.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Boreal

      There is no treatment for being a disingenuous douchebag.

    • Dayglo

      A week or two of “treatment” will solve everything. Then it’s back to work and all is forgiven.

    • Dazzer

      Most of the reports of the Spacey incidents involve him and alcohol, so I can see that being an aspect of ‘treatment’.

      And if the stories his brother are putting forward about severe childhood abuse are correct, then that would need to be considered, too.

      At the moment , only one allegation against him would stand up in court (that he flashed at a 19-year-old barman in the UK), everything else – to date – is allegation. Even the latest Justin Smith allegations on Twitter come down to “He said/He said”.

      Unless we’re all going to say that Spacey falls within a ‘normal’ spectrum of adult male gay behaviour, what he’s done is immoral (if the stories are true) but not yet proven illegal. So, the only option, if Spacey’s behaviour is to be changed, is for him to modify the way he lives his life. As such, he can be shunned by society, but he’s ultimately going to need treatment and help of some sort.

      I know this isn’t a popular opinion to hold with a lot of people, but I can’t see many logical alternatives at the moment.

      • gaycuckhubby

        It shouldn’t be a part of normal adult gay male behavior.
        We need to learn boundaries

        • Dazzer

          Yep. Totally agree.

          And if – for whatever reason – he doesn’t understand or know the extent of those boundaries, he has to be taught them.

          I’m not excusing Spacey in any way, just pointing out that treatment of some sort is the most rational way to deal with him until more information comes out.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I understand what you’re saying.
            🙂 and largely agree

    • The_Wretched

      “treatment” ? for what? He either understands consent now or he does not. It’s not “treatment” to not infringe on other people’s right to decide who touches their bodies or to be free from coercion. He’s following a PR firms advice on trying to save his image (it’s not working).

  • Barry William Teske

    OK.
    I am off you know.
    To visit, another very dear friend, in a care home.
    Not sure how long.
    Don’t forget to love your ‘self’, respect your self, and most off all…
    Not lose patience.
    For self.
    PEACE!LOVE!RESPECT!
    – Me

  • medaka
    • The_Wretched

      Both Russian pages from the same source.

  • Kevin Andrews
  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    MAY?

  • Daveed_WOW

    I’ve had the hardest time convincing people that the DNC is the victim, not the perpetrator.

    • BeaverTales

      I’m convinced they’re both victim and perpetrator. When you have $1.2 Billion in donations, a small percentage spent on good cybersecurity would have gone a very long way.

      The hacking by foreign governments and common criminals alike has been going on for at least a decade, and the many email scandals over the past 5 years should have been a lesson to them to invest in protecting their donors and themselves. The attitude is too lax.

      Personally, I still don’t trust them to protect my identity, to do an honest forensic eval of the 2016 election season, or to spend money wisely (i.e. winning elections outside of comfortable blue states). They’ve had over a year to address all of those issues and they just seem….what’s the word…paralyzed? It’s either ignorance, incompetence or insouciance.

      • Daveed_WOW

        Some of that too, but certainly not cause to throw her in jail. LOL

        • BeaverTales

          I realize you are making a joke, but part of the problem as well is the perception that anyone who disagrees with Hillary is part of the “Lock her up!” crowd. They aren’t.

          Party members should determine the platform, not just one person. Back in the old days when they had contested conventions and before “all or none” primaries and superdelegates, the platform was determined by caucus and the candidate who was the best fit to the platform got the nomination.

          Treating primaries like the electoral college is a mistake because it gives early states an unfair advantage. Most of the early Democratic primaries are in the south, even though the South never votes Democratic anymore.

          The primary process itself just hands all the advantages to candidates who cater to Southern voters who only vote Republican. It makes no sense.

          Letting the Solid South determine the early leaders in the DNC nominating process is something that needs to be reformed ASAP in order to get candidates who realistically are reflections of regional voter preferences over celebrity and money.

          • Daveed_WOW

            Tldr

          • BeaverTales

            don’t worry about it.

  • Halou

    Do what Putin did to Bill Browder, just slap all their names on the Interpol wanted list without consulting anyone.

    • ChrisMorley

      Europe keeps slapping back Putin’s attempts to get his foes arrested by Interpol.
      So Putin’s attempts are just rather aggravating.

  • JWC

    GOP deflection

  • Lawerence Collins