Trump Rages That Mueller’s Indictments Are Fake News

The Associated Press reports:

President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Tuesday morning to respond to the indictment of Paul Manafort, his former campaign chairman, and others.

Concerned that the president may fight back after Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling led to two indictments and a guilty plea for his former advisers Monday, top Democrats laid down a marker for the president, who earlier in the year criticized Mueller and the probe.

“The president must not, under any circumstances and in any way, interfere with the special counsel’s work,” said Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer. “If he does, Congress must respond swiftly, unequivocally, and in a bipartisan way to ensure that the investigation continues and the truth — the whole truth — comes out.”

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    He is the scariest thing I have seen this Halloween season.

    • kaydenpat

      And the most unhinged. As the shoes keep dropping, he’s only going to get worse.

      • Alexander M R Volk

        Easy to drop the shoes when you have tiny hands and feet.

    • Todd20036

      Porn star Kellyanne…

      • Mark Née Fuzz

        And now I am 10x gayer than I was before I read your reply.

        • Todd20036

          You’re welcome.

      • vorpal 😼

        There is something seriously wrong with anyone that Ann Coulter can stand next to and look hotter by comparison.

        • Joe in PA

          I know. I think we should do a “who would you do?” contest, and one of the two has to be KellyAnne.

          Bwahahaha.

          • vorpal 😼

            Have you no decency, Joe?!?
            (Rhetorical question! 😸 )
            I’d pick a dead possum over her.

          • Joe in PA

            There’s a difference?

            LOL 🙂

          • vorpal 😼

            Dead possum is warmer and a more generous lover! 😽

          • Joe in PA

            So, not a fan of KellyAnne? 🙂

      • clay
    • JCF

      Nice seasonal look, AB!

  • Tawreos

    It is not fake news that you hired a known liar and a money launderer to be a part of your campaign. At least with this president he has no ability to stop himself from digging his own grave deeper and deeper.

  • Bambino

    Yes everything is fake. Now Mr fucking moron, you will be led to a fake prison.Just put on the fake hand cuffs and follow the fake FBI agents to the fake federal penitentiary where you will be living in this fake prison cell for the the rest of your fake life!

    • medaka
      • Daveed_WOW

        Never gets old. I think I have a pair of those in a box somewhere. I’ll send them to The Donald as a parting gift along with a carton of cigarettes to bribe the Screws. I hear Sing-Sing is lovely in Autumn.

        • JaniceInToronto

          Ummm. Hacks. They call the guards “Hacks” now.
          Screws is not used anymore.

          • Daveed_WOW

            In my house, the guard(s) is called Screw. :p

          • JaniceInToronto

            Which do you think Trump is going to prefer?

          • Willys41

            Trump would call them “beautiful people” or “losers” depending on whether they get him Big Macs or not.

          • RoFaWh

            There’s a good business model: deliver hot fast food to prisoners via drones.

          • Daveed_WOW

            We’ll leave that up to him. Freedom of choice.

      • GayOldLady

        Those cuffs look to be too big for Trump.

    • Todd20036

      Where his fake hair will finally change back to its real color.

      • Bambino

        The hair is fake! Ergo fake color.

      • Rambie

        Bald is a real color?

      • RoFaWh

        Fake orange-y on the top, natural white around the edges.

        Perhaps he’ll throw caution to the winds and grow dreads.

  • kaydenpat

    Shouldn’t Trump’s attorneys warn him if running his mouth about a continuing investigation? His tweets can be used as evidence against him.

    • Rambie

      He hires the best you know. They must have mentioned it at some point.

      • pj

        he hired the keystone cops.

        • RoFaWh

          He’s so certain that he knows everything that he’s incapable of distinguishing crooks and liars from truth-tellers. He’s really very easily flim-flammed if you know what you are doing and do a little advance planning.

          PS: Having said that, I hope DJT has to testify and faces a prosecutor who knows just how to manipulate him. Dance, monkey, dance!

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    FFS. Quit pussyfooting around and put this fucker in jail already. Beat his phone to bits with a hammer. I’m sick of hearing his whiny bullshit.

    • Todd20036

      Nice idea, but you go after the medium fish with hard evidence, then use them as witnesses against the big whoppers.

    • Bluto

      I suggest a cell placed on the National Mall. Let people heckle, poke him with sticks & torment him until his dying day. Charge a modest admission, we’ll wipe out the national debt in no time.

    • Uncle Mark

      As much as I yearn to see his oversized orange ass thrown in jail, I do enjoy seeing his futile tweets…trying to deny the reality that is coming down around him. He screams his protests, believed only by a shrinking minority of the country. I delight in hearing tales of his unhinged ranting & raging throughout the White House, as he fruitlessly rails against the inevitable moment when the undeniable truth finally comes out, and he is FIRED, shamed, bankrupted, and utterly destroyed.

      Finally, this slow, daily, agonizing, sleepless torture of Drumpf is just the beginning of the recompense owed to us for the unspeakable harms he’s wrought upon us for his own temporary gains. As I rise to the promise of a new day with new tasks, struggles, goals & adventures before me…I relish that for him each day denies him any promise…all his joys are tainted by the knowledge he is one day closer to losing everything….and all the lies & deceptions that have served him so well in the past…that brought him so much “success”…cannot help him escape his fate

      • RoFaWh

        “DO SOMETHING!”

        — Donald J. Trump, the erstwhile President who is commemorated by no monuments, no libraries, no highways, no bridges, no naval vessels, by nothing at all.

  • DaddyRay

    You just know Donnie’s lawyers are scrambling going over White House logs to see who Papadopolous met with over the last couple of months.

  • Michael R

    Was it Putin’s idea to place Paul Manafort in the Trump inner circle ?

    Discuss amongst yourselves

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c25d1b50b7bc6ddde5ad809d72418de8e9f5dcc593e5752f7897dc01e54c61bb.jpg

    • Joe in PA

      Yeah, we haven’t heard much about the Manafort “make me whole” comment. Mueller is keeping that under wraps. Teeheehee.

    • pj

      putin is still busy behind the scenes. social medias a big place kids.

      • Paul

        I can’t be the only one to find the NYC attack rather well timed and by someone from an ex Russian country. I wouldn’t put it past old pooty to be behind it.

  • Bluto
  • safari
  • lattebud

    I hope George Papadopolous is being kept safe and avoid radioactive tea

    • DaddyRay

      Mueller probably has everything he needs from him … on tape

      • lattebud

        He still needs to be available to testify

    • Rambie

      I hope Mueller also stays safe

  • Todd20036

    I’m not sure what Trump finds worse, the fact that his little bubble is starting to collapse or that his innate habit of tweeting every single brain fart of his, which has been his signature move for decades, is now coming to haunt him in the most public way possible.

    • Rambie

      Are you sure he’s cognisant enough to understand such a complex thought?

      • Todd20036

        When people show him his own tweets that contradict some of his claims, he’ll figure it out. Eventually

        • Rambie

          His ego will just have him blame someone else.

        • clay

          No, he’ll only be able to read what he wants to believe.

        • RoFaWh

          He never will. He’s spent too many years in that self-constructed cocoon of his, never being contradicted or told “no” about anything.

          It wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that in his “heart”, Trump is still certain that he’s in a good position, after all it’s just fake news that guff about indictments! He thinks his cocoon still works even though it’s now badly moth eaten in many places.

      • Gretchen

        Maybe he is building his insanity defense one tweet at a time.

    • lymis

      And that it’s pretty clear that the FBI has access to emails and social media accounts – including things that were scrubbed by the individual.

  • Puckfair52

    Fox is talking about burger prep. CNN is reporting a Nation divided (really) and it’s obvious on other forums I visit that even providing the guilty plea and the Papadopoulos transcript the responders haven’t read it & won’t read it

    • Todd20036

      The burger emoji crisis has the nation in a tailspin!
      There’s a reason Fox viewers are less informed than those who don’t watch any news at all

      • Gretchen

        I live in the “fake news” bubble, so I am woefully under informed as to the merits and limitations of each emoji. Sad!

    • geoffalnutt

      Exactly what CNN wants: A nation divided – gotta fuel the “news”. It’s about the money!!! More explosive “news”, more money. They went a long way to putting Trump in office, also.

  • Bambino

    Awwwwwwww look at this fake gathering of the colluders.
    https://twitter.com/OverUnderClover/status/925337723250073600

    • Todd20036

      Yup. Sessions is going down too.

      • Bambino

        I just throw up a bit in my mouth picturing Sessy Jeff going down on the fucking moron in the prison.

        • Todd20036

          You aren’t turn on by frosted mini wheat?

          • Rambie

            Keebler porn!

          • JCF

            {shudder}

          • Joe in PA

            That HAS to be a line from Karen at Will and Grace (referring to Leslie). 🙂

        • SilasMarner

          I still say Sessions looks like Beverly Leslie! LOL!

          • Willys41

            Sessions should be in Keebler TV ads.

      • medaka

        And what do you think makes those cookies uncomm…. TREASON!!

        https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/925113469883617280

      • Steven B

        Not as likely but, damn I hope Mueller wipes that goofy grin off his face.

      • Robincho

        Not on me he’s not…

  • Rex

    Sounds like he was on a first name basis with the young, unknown, low level volunteer. That or he can’t spell his last name.

    • clay

      2-for-1 Tuesdays!

    • DesertSun59

      And was on a first name basis with a ‘known liar’.

  • netxtown

    donnie be fillin up them diapers….

  • safari
  • Michael R

    Let’s go back to Sally Yates and talk about obstruction .

  • Do Something Nice

    OT – “North Korea nuclear base COLLAPSES ‘killing at least 200 people’ amid fears of massive radioactive leak”

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4806082/north-korea-nuclear-base-collapses-killing-200-radioactive-leak-fears-latest-updates/

    • safari

      I mean, first it’s The Sun. Second radioactive contamination isn’t exactly an unknown thing in North Korea. I seem to remember an incident when a train derailed and spewed its radioactive contents all over.

      • Do Something Nice

        It in the Sun, CNN, the Telegraph and several Spanish language news sites.

    • Gretchen

      I am truly sorry for the North Korean people. No citizen should have to pay with his or her life for the madness of a country’s leadership. That actually fairly well sums up my opinion of nearly every war ever fought.

    • Bambino

      When a dictator force his underlings to hurry up by ordering more logs to be toss into the fire and expecting a different result.

    • JCF

      Googled it: was all tabloids, InfoWars, and FUX. I’d score that “Not Confirmed”!

  • Tor

    Hey Asshole, it wasn’t the media that brought the indictments.

  • PickyPecker

    OT: Wishing all a safe and spectacular day/night! BOO!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHLgob-PpIk

    • Joe in PA

      Picky…you’re back! There were a lot of Picky imposters here for a few days.

  • Tatonka

    I’m long past caring about anything he says. He’s lied for so long and so often that he could tweet out the fact that he’s a semi-literate bloviating shit-gibbon and my response would be, “hey, maybe I’m all turned around on this guy.”

  • OdieDenCO

    No one knew george papadopoulos? so he just wandered in from the street and took a seat at your March 2016 national security meeting? really donny, your lies are getting more preposterous by the minute.

    • safari

      Sarah said he was a volunteer. And that means something.

      • Daveed_WOW

        Well, since The Donald never pays anyone, they’re all volunteers.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Ummm…it’s already been proven that the security meeting pic was photoshopped. Bigly.

      • OdieDenCO

        I reiterate: your lies are getting more preposterous by the minute.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Gigi

      Too thin to be 45.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        That’s because he’s now someone’s bitch and has to give up his canteen as rent.

      • Snarkaholic

        There’s probably no KFC, cake, nor ice cream in the slammer!

        • clay

          “Hey, who gets this yellow cake and tea?”

          • Snarkaholic

            “I’ll deliver it in a minute…right after I drop off this chocolate pie to Agent Orange.” ~Miss Minnie, definitely

          • RoFaWh

            To interrupt the mood with a paean to food:

            Ah, chocolate pie. I haven’t had any in so long I’d forgotten that such a delight even exists. Thanks for the reminder.

            I now return you to Mood of the Day.

          • Snarkaholic

            Does the freezer case in your supermarket have Marie Callender’s chocolate pie? If so, I highly recommend it!

          • Joe in PA

            I think Hillary has all of that. Oh wait….

        • Lizard

          And even worse–no golf!

        • JCF

          Not to mention no “Bring Me a Coke” button.

      • JCF

        The hands are also too big (but the “WaterSports” mag is a nice touch!)

      • RoFaWh

        After a year on prison ratios, I’m confident Our Donald will have lost significant weight.

    • Snarkaholic

      What’s up with the cat poster…did Chump request pussy pics to hang on the wall?

      • Gretchen

        Must be Kadyrov’s missing cat.

  • DesertSun59

    I believe Papa’s wire will prove 45 to be a liar, once again.

    • RoFaWh

      What is really important: when a judge declares in a judgement that Trump is, as a matter of fact, a known chronic liar.

  • Reality.Bites

    Related: I didn’t notice any references yesterday here or elsewhere to the penalties they are facing. Saw one this morning.

    Headline is: Manafort and Gates face decades in prison, millions in fines.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/10/30/heres-whats-in-the-indictment-of-trump-aides-paul-manafort-and-rick-gates.html

    • DaddyRay

      Maybe those fines is how the GOP plans to fill that massive gap in their budget

      • clay

        No, they’re still relying on gutting Medicaid and the rest of the ACA, the EPA, DoEd, DoEn, and HUD, and slashing the rest.

    • Gigi

      Unless 45 pardons them all and fires Mueller.

      • Reality.Bites

        At some point someone, if not Trump, then one of the kids, will realize they have no way out. The enormity of their crimes – both those that can be proven and those that may not be able to pass the threshold for criminal convictions – mean that there’s no rescue, no way out and no comeback.

        They aren’t going to wait 100 years to get rid of the monuments to Trump.

  • lymis

    No, Donald, it’s not fake news about a president. It’s news about a fake president.

  • Jay Silversmith

    “….and Anastasia screamed in vain.” – Rolling Stones

    • medaka

      Hoo Hoo!

      It’s probably too early for OTs, but I wanna watch Mick on acid with John and Yoko in the audience

      https://vimeo.com/233122137

      • canoebum

        Bill Wyman is vastly underrated as a bassist. He was unquestionably the best of the entire British Invasion. In addition to this piece, which is notable, listen to other early Stones’ works like “Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby?” and “Mother’s Little Helper”. The guy was simply a phenomenal bass player. He may have stood there like a statue while Mick and Keith were all over the stage, but boy could he play.

        • medaka

          I always thought Bill was the cool one. Same goes for the Who’s John Entwistle. But alas poor Brian at this point, relegated to maracas.

          • canoebum

            So true about Brian. His musical genius shines in many of the early recordings. He could play a wide variety of instruments and boosted the musicality of the songs written by Mick and Keith. After he was gone, the group became more hard-edged, never again recording songs with the instrumentation and arrangements of “She’s Like a Rainbow”, “Lady Jane” or “Something Happened to Me”, among many others.

          • medaka

            Lady Jane with the electric zither (and girls screaming for Brian) is still a go to for me in these troubling times.

  • lymis

    Whether or not any of the particular charges SO FAR are directly related to collusion with the Russians – and it sure as hell looks like there eventually will be such charges, especially given the Papadapolous testimony – it does not follow that there wasn’t collusion.

    • zherazhera

      But surely we can trust Manafort’s lawyer to tell the truth! Right?

  • LeeCMH

    It is not fake news. It is news about a fake president.

    • RoFaWh

      Has anyone tried to tally just how many times Trump has cried “fake news!” on Twitter?

      • LeeCMH

        We would have to use scientific notation to report the number.

  • Gigi

    Trump: I have THE BEST brain. THE BEST memory.

    Reporter: What can you tell me about George Papadapolous?

    Trump: Who? Never heard of him. Must have been some low level volunteer.

    Reporter: You’re on record having said he was an excellent guy.

    Trump: No I’m not. You can’t prove that.

    Reporter: I have the tape right here…

    Trump: FAKE NEWS! ARREST HIM!!

  • Rex

    Why does each tweet of “fake news” and diverting to the Dems make Trump seem more guilty? I don’t think he helps his cause with his constant defense, he should put his phone down.

    • Reality.Bites

      He is a sad example of what comes from not drinking.

      • canoebum

        Or ever had smoked weed.

        • Reality.Bites

          He hardly needs help in being paranoid.

    • RoFaWh

      Trump completely lacks what is usually called “self-awareness”.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Reality.Bites

      Wait a minute, let me get this straight – an accused’s LAWYER is proclaiming his innocence? Well that’s good enough for me. If I’ve learned one thing from Perry Mason it’s that only innocent people are ever charged.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Impotent is my favorite kind of rage.

  • Rex

    If Trump thinks yesterday was bad, it’s gonna get worse for him. I think he’s gonna wear out his “fake news working overtime” line, as long as Mueller is working overtime.

  • Eric Lewis
  • safari
    • Joe in PA

      Not orange enough. 🙂

    • clay

      (should have removed the skin around the eyes for his “reverse raccoon” look)

    • LeeCMH

      Happy Halloween.

    • JCF

      Far too attractive.

    • ted-

      Someone has talent!

  • Lizard

    When I opened YouTube this morning, the first video under “Breaking News” was a Fox Business bit called something along the lines of “Evidence racks up in Dems scandals.”

    No wonder he thinks he’ll be fine and the Dems will be in jail, because again, all he does all day is sit on his ass and watch Fox News.

    • Karl Dubhe

      I’m going to stop complaining about that. 🙂

      As long as he thinks everything will work out well for him, he’ll not launch something else as a distraction…

    • Friday

      He knows Faux News will sell diversions and untruths, and the rest of the broadcast media will be wussy about it.

  • Bambino

    For some reason the lyric of “Living in the world of make believe” and the song pops into my mind.
    https://youtu.be/UQKyGt_I5L4

  • JT

    Lock the motherfucking traitor up! Imprison Drumpf now!
    http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2441813/85216961.gif

  • Stogiebear
    • LeeCMH

      So this is what the Italians did to their Nazi dictator.

      .

      • LeeCMH

        Isn’t this why Hitler had his henchmen burn his body. Hitler was terrified his body would end-up like this.

        • LeeCMH

          The Romanians took care of their dictator after their revolution.

          That is one problem with being a dictator, if you fall from power, it is not pretty.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba8fdec295c625ff93bbc1656f28e1fd9e8fff28fbca1cecafac259b42672819.jpg

          • BobSF_94117

            I still wish we’d go back to the old tradition of comfortable retirement in the South of France for former dictators. Yes, it was unjust, but so many fewer people died than when authoritarians had no way out.

          • LeeCMH

            The recent dictators have/had modern tools of mass destruction.

          • BobSF_94117

            I really don’t think that’s what has changed, do you?

        • Ross

          Yes, that is true.

          And Joseph Goebbels had his six children poisoned.

          • LeeCMH

            It must be terrible to realize all one has left is fear of what people will do with your body after they kill you.

      • Reality.Bites

        His heels can’t even support his body weight the usual way

    • Snarkaholic

      They also were laid out on the ground, and crowd members took turns peeing on/kicking the bodies.

  • Gigi

    ON TOPIC: The Liberal Redneck talks about Trump, Manafort, prison, etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCaNoThm9Lc

    • Joe in PA

      I think this was one of his better ones.

    • Mike C.

      Love me some Trae!

  • jm2

    but… but… you talked about “‘low level’ George” multiple times – on camera as a ‘foreign policy expert’! His Russian history professor thinks otherwise, basically saying he was a smart ass!

    • LeeCMH

      An ass (person) is an annoyance. A smart ass is a real pain in the ass.

      • jmax

        But better than being a dumb ass 🙂

        • LeeCMH

          Yea, but they are generally harmless.

  • worstcultever

    My all-time favorite comment to Dumpy’s morning Twitter shitstorms –

    “Baby’s awake.”

  • SilasMarner

    I’m old enough to remember the Nixon/Watergate scandal and Nixon’s eventual resignation. And this is forming up to be exactly the same situation. Funny how history really does repeat itself.

    • RoFaWh

      Except Nixon, criminal tendencies notwithstanding, was sane. Trump is not sane. He’s capable of anything from simply ignoring the men who have arrived to take him away to setting the White House on fire.

      Really. He’s nuts.

      • JCF

        “Except Nixon, criminal tendencies notwithstanding, was sane.”

        Well, that’s debateable: the paranoia, depression, and (oh yeah) alcoholism.

        But Nixon wasn’t demented.

        • RoFaWh

          Your choice of “demented” is more precise than my “nuts” and logically therefore better, but then we’d lose the punchiness of “he’s nuts”.

          Stay calm. Carry on.

  • Acronym Jim

    With all of his focus on the “fake news.” I think it’s possibly that Trump confused George Papadopolous with George Stephanopoulos.

  • IAMBOWLINGSCREAM
    • JCF

      The Kewtness Factor differential comes from another dimension of Time&Space…

  • Daveed_WOW

    “Gimme that damn phone” – his lawyer

    • JAKvirginia

      “My cold dead hands!” – Trump

      • LeeCMH

        Charlton would be very proud.

  • GayOldLady

    History Does Repeat Itself

    Michael Beschloss‏Verified account @BeschlossDC

    11h11 hours ago
    Spiro Agnew in 1971 with George Papadopoulos, Greek dictator charged during Watergate with making illegal donations to Nixon-Agnew campaign:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNbxiYrX4AAP8sn.jpg

    • Natty Enquirer

      I thought the name was familiar. I was a young teen during Watergate and didn’t pay a lot of attention, but it was constantly on the television in my house.

      • LeeCMH

        After Ford took over (and pardoned Nixon), didn’t Spiro notebook ultimately get convicted of crimes himself?

      • GayOldLady

        I thought the same thing when I heard his name yesterday morning. My wife and I both said “that name is familiar”, but we played it off as a name similar to George Stephanopoulous. Then, last night on Rachel she had Michael Beschloss as a guest and he reminded us of the Watergate George. I thought it was an amazing coincidence and when he told the story I remembered George Papadopoulos being the President of Greece and the leader of the coup that overthrew the Monarchy.

  • Ninja0980

    If he was so low level, why did you brag about him on camera several times?

    • RoFaWh

      He was (note verbal tense) one of those legendary “best people” we’ve heard so much about.

      Not now, however.

  • TimJ

    Sorry, Mr. President, you may not like the Mueller indictments, the indictments might be bogus, but the fact of the indictments is very much Real News.

  • David Walker

    Was there ever any comment on yesterday’s lunch date with Pence, Beauregard, and the fucking idiot? I still favor the idea of Beauregard wearing a wire, especially after all the speculation about a wired Papadopoulos meeting with friends and reminiscing over old times.

  • obarthelemy

    Don’t you think he looks tired ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5OynLQbJc

    • RoFaWh

      That was my own reaction to that photo of Trump.

      It is probably tautological to say so but I’ll do it anyway: I’d be tired too.

      Edit: My point being that constantly having to lie hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, must take a lot out of a person. I am reminded of a young dude being edged by Dr. Cumcontrol in an Xtube video: the good doctor has brought his edging buddy right up to the edge of orgasm and then pushed a little beyond that. This put an enormous burden on the young dude as he worked to block an orgasm that was already getting underway. After an obvious struggle y.d. succeeds in blocking the orgasm. And then comments “Not cumming is hard work!”

      Likewise not telling the truth about anything.

  • Friday

    Not even a very good liar, are you, Drumph?

  • The_Wretched

    The court filings are very real and actually do mean something.

  • boobert

    George may get credit for destroying this administration ! And that’s a good thing.

    • LeeCMH

      Looks like we have John Dean already.

      George is probably looking at a couple decades of lockup instead of the remainder of his life.

      So now he is state’s evidence.

  • Willys41

    Donnie, go back to your Barcalounger and watch more TV. Have another Big Mac. We’ll call you if we need you for anything.

  • MDixon34

    I find it hard to read 45s tweets with out thinking “dot dot dot… dot dot dot” the way Colbert does in his monologues.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Gerry Fisher

    One of the things that makes me SMH is that Trump’s gotten away with this routine for, ohhhhhhh, 65+ years. This “being held accountable” thing is foreign territory.

  • JCF