NYC Terrorist Identified As Uzbek Legally In US Since 2010, Uzbekistan Not On Trump’s Travel Ban List

Heavy.com reports:

Sayfullo Saipov, an Uzbek national, was identified in news reports as the driver accused of ramming a Home Depot rental truck into people on a bike path in lower Manhattan, killing at least eight and injuring multiple more, in a frightening “act of terror” that unfolded almost in the shadow of the World Trade Center memorial.

He is an Uzbek national who has been in the United States for seven years, according to NBC and CNN. Online records show he worked as a commercial truck driver and had ties to Ohio as well. Although in the country for only about seven years, he’d had contact with law enforcement in many states for minor traffic violations, showing a mobile life.

The suspect was shot by a New York police officer in the abdomen after leaping from the truck with paintball and pellet guns while shouting “Allahu Akbar,” and is in custody, New York’s top officials confirmed in the press conference. According to CNN, the FBI has taken over responsibility for the investigation and is considering the attack to be terrorism. It was the city’s deadliest terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.

  • j.martindale

    Isn’t that part of the former Soviet Union? Should we be afraid of the Russians?

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      YES!!!!

      • scottrose

        Sex between two men is illegal in Uzbekistan. Punishment ranges from a fine to 3 years in prison.

        Penal Code 1994/95 (revised 2001)

        § 120
        “Besoqolbozlik, that is, voluntary sexual intercourse of two male individuals – shall be punished with imprisonment up to three years.”

        <<<<<<<

        • safari

          You can type &lt; for < and &gt; for > if you want to use angle brackets.

        • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

          Besoqolbozlik! I’ve haven’t done that since college!

    • bkmn

      Better haul Vlad in for questioning.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      Russian Sleeper Agent?

    • Do Something Nice

      It is and it is on my bucket list to visit.

      http://www.malika-samarkand.com/images/samarkand/samarkand3.jpg

      • Dazzer

        My sister and brother-in-law went to Samarkand a couple of years ago. It’s not all like that.

        • TuuxKabin

          He’ll find out.

        • Do Something Nice

          I know that. But I’m a history buff and Timur was an interesting leader. I’ve read a lot about travel there. The cities of Samarkand and Bukhara are places I want to see and I’m also toying with the idea of buying a lot of tiles there for a home-improvement project.

          • Danieruw

            I’ve been to Bukhara. It’s visually pretty amazing. I’d recommend it if you are interested in historic architecture.

          • Dazzer

            Oooooo. Good idea about the tiles. Very good idea. I wish I had thought to give my sister a shopping list.

            She and the b-i-l really enjoyed themselves – but said it was incredibly tiring.

            Hope you have a great time.

        • Joseph Miceli

          NALT? Well, it may be beautiful, but I’m not willing to risk it. Sad, there are so many places I’ll never see because the laws are barbarous.

      • Eddie Besketti

        what cracks me up is the 2-faced attitude of the very anti-middle east, republican attitudes of the population in Orange County, CA. One of the very beautiful and heavily visited shopping centers is the Irvine Spectrum Mall where the 5 and 405 freeway meet. It’s a beautiful place but it reeks of Middle Eastern architecture and the shoppers are totally unaware of it.

  • Reasonoverhate

    When are we going to ban white christian gamblers?

  • bkmn

    Can Trump pronounce Uzbekistan?

    • djcoastermark

      And the guy’s name in one sentence. This should be fun.

      • bkmn

        I kind of figured he put Chad on the banned countries list because it was the only name he could remember and pronouce.

        • scottrose

          ,,,

        • CB

          Because he wishes he was a WASP.

    • Lazycrockett

      Only if he has business ties there.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      You bet he can’t!

    • Tawreos

      Uz-beki-beki-stan-stan Is that how it is pronounced

      • bkmn

        According to Herman “666” Cain

    • jerry

      No…he’ll have to call in Herman Cain (remember him?) to tell us he doesn’t know the president of Ubeki-beki-stan-stan.

    • TexasBoy

      Sumthin-stan

      • David Walker

        Can he find it on a map? Somewhere near Chaddenjeremy.

    • BearEyes

      pick-a-stan

  • Leo

    A ban? Three words Twitler: SAUDI. FUCKING. ARABIA. Go fuck yourself.

    • bkmn

      But the Saudis gave him stuff, neat stuff!!!!

      • Leo

        Much stuff, beautiful stuff, beautiful whores

        • bkmn

          The best stuff, the youngest whores…people have been talking about that muchly since his visit there.

        • David Walker

          Mystical balls. Oh…sorry…that stayed there.

      • fuzzybits

        And they let him touch their balls.

        • Judas Peckerwood

          Well, just the one.

          • Chucktech

            That’s all they have.

  • FelineMama

    We defeated ISIS in the Middle East? Wow. Great.

    • Tomcat

      Shhhhh, it’s not official quite yet.

    • Leo

      It’s the new MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

  • Ross

    O/T

    KITTY BREAK!

    This is a kitty I found under my front porch about six weeks ago. Today, she successfully hunted down and killed a fuzzy stick in the wilds of…my office.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c3cbd061df69e882a097b481e4329d7be67cd699cace5f7a85e93a69c892b52.jpg

    • Bryan

      Shoestring iz delicious.

    • bkmn

      Fierce!

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Such a cutie!
      Tough break for the fuzzy stick.

      • greenmanTN

        This was its time so Jesus called it home.

    • David Walker

      Next: swizzle stick. She’s adorable.

      • Ross

        She will have to fight me for the swizzle stick!

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          “What does a kitteh have to do to get a drink in this dive?”

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      ..

    • Ninja0980

      Cute kitty!

    • paulrees100

      I want a cat soooo bad. I travel a lot & I always counted on my partner to take care of our last one, Rosie. Partner died 3 yrs ago so I took Rosie on my last long trip & she was killed by a car about 6 months in. She grew up in the jungle & she’d never really met a car before. They are the BEST companions! I guess I need to get a new boyfriend if I want a new cat.

      • JCF

        Condolences, paul, on both of your losses.

    • FAEN

      Awww

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      That’s one adorable huntress.

  • josephsinger

    Hey Donnie, when did we defeat ISIS in the middle east? You don’t have to hurry, I’ll wait.

    • David Walker

      Wasn’t it on Day 1? Or am I confusing that with The First 100 Days?

  • Lazycrockett
    • bkmn

      Good for her. Last I heard she wasn’t going to file suit, but I guess a good lawyer got through to her.

      • Lazycrockett

        Hit em where it hurts.

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          In some places (such as NYC), these settlements don’t hurt the officers or their departments at all. The $$$ comes out of the city’s general fund, and not the PD’s budget.

          • jerry

            Or just the liability insurance.

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            (NYC self-insures)

          • Judas Peckerwood

            Which means that it comes out of the pockets of the taxpayers, not the perps.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Should be mostly covered by insurance. Problem is one of these lawsuits and your insurance company pays (finally) then they drop your ass. And the next insurer charges you massively more.

      • Dazzer

        Given the amount she’s received, I think she’s gone easy on them.

        • bzrd

          right, what % goes to her lawyers or is this her share?

          • John30013

            Presumably the lawyer gets around 30%.

    • Tomcat

      Fricking cops in America are out of control.

      • Steverino

        Police states are like that.

    • Ross

      This makes me SOOOOOOO happy!

      • FAEN

        Hello bearded hottie. Hope Halloween is treating you well.

        • AC

          Get a room

          • FAEN

            Not for the lack of trying lol

    • kirby7771

      Seems a bit paltry. If you are gonna hit them where it hurts, make damn sure it hurts,and that they remember. Lessons from Junior High School. I thought we all knew this.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        The problem is that it’s always the taxpayers who foot the bill, not the criminal cops.

      • JWC

        These twits have very deep pockets

        • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

          Deep pockets full of our money…

          There are two things in the way of good policing:
          1. Police Unions. They have a lot of power and influence when it comes to city policies. As a ‘special interest group,’ they have undue influence.

          2. Paying off victims of public servants with public money is just wrong. Until bad cops feel the bite in their wallets, bad cops gonna be bad cops. On-board video doesn’t restrain their violent behavior. Bad cops have been recorded getting away with murder. (see # 1.)

    • Ninja0980

      Good!

    • Tawreos

      They got off light

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN
    • another_steve

      Both guys are fundamentally and intensely evil.

      My ideal solution:

      (1) Stop the online and social media proliferation of overt calls to religious-based violence. Ban it, worldwide. Make it illegal.

      (2) Enact sane gun control law worldwide so that the insane and demonstrably-dangerous cannot legally purchase weapons.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        Those who beleive in violence to bring about adherence to their own sick values are the very ones who now control the the House and Senate. Their Marmalade Malleable Marmaduke will give them what they want to believe they like him.

      • ChrisMorley

        Most countries already have sane gun control laws.

        The only countries with permissive gun legislation are:
        Albania, Austria, Chad, Republic of Congo, Honduras, Micronesia, Namibia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Senegal, Tanzania, United
        States
        , Yemen and Zambia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

      • Dalton

        What are you talking about gun control? He used a truck. The “guns” he had were a pellet and paintball, the only reason for those was to get suicide by cop. I think what you meant to say is that no one should get drivers licenses because cars kill too many people.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      No more uzbeks get drivers licenses!

      • BEARY FLINTSTONE

        Add some Americas to that list too!

  • Stogiebear

    Since he used a truck, can we NOW talk about gun control?

    • Tomcat

      Too late, missed the deadline for talking about gun control. Better luck next time.

      • houstonray

        Wait a few months, there will be another….sigh.

    • Dan M

      We need to get after the American Automobile Association.

  • Slippy_World
  • scottrose

    Why is Twitler talking about ISIS in connection with this incident when no credible law enforcement official has yet determined whether the attacker had any connection to ISIS?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6d8ee5abffca4364396eea17aedda078a280d29fe3eacd1ef7d4bfc3f78f3b7.jpg

    • safari

      General stupidity.

      • jerry

        General Stupidity is the chief of staff…

    • Tomcat

      Because Facebook, Twitter and UTube are all fake news outlets.
      Get your news from a legitimate source and it will be true.

    • M Jackson

      Are you familiar with our amateur president?

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        And our amateur media.

    • William

      There are reports of a note in the truck where the attacker says he did it for ISIS.

  • boobert

    Is isis defeated? Or is this just another voice in his head?

    • JWC

      Nah just moved to the suburbs

    • BobSF_94117

      I noticed how he slipped that in there, too.

  • greenmanTN

    OMG, Herman Cain was right about Uz-becky-becky-becky-stan!

  • fuzzybits
    • safari

      I didn’t know until recently that the different ghosts had different behaviors.

  • safari
    • fuzzybits

      And again,and again,and again…..

    • Lazycrockett

      Worse ending ever.

      • safari

        I got tingles at the very end, but the construction was literally dues ex machina. But, of course, the series didn’t hide that fact from the very start. It was just we who wanted more.

    • perversatile
    • JCF

      BSG?

  • JWC
    • MT YVR

      The one on my right will do, thank you very much.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      Murder My Holes!

      • gaycuckhubby

        😂😂😂

    • Gretchen

      That’s a new level of Halloween porn.

  • safari

    The calloused part of my soul reminds me that six people die an hour from opiates in the US. It also tells me that there are 7.5 billion people on this planet, and some of them will take up the hobby of death for whatever reason they want. It’s why I try not to worry for myself, but I do feel terrible for those that just died for no reason aside from malice.

  • MikeBx2

    Thank the universe for hot guys running bases tonight. A Houston win will make them world champs. An L.A. win will force a game 7 on Wed. Play ball!

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but this is interesting. The thread isn’t very long.

    https://twitter.com/mikefarb1/status/925428072316358656

    • greenmanTN

      Woah.

      • -M-

        The network expert opinion on twitter seems to be “Not necessarily woah, but definitely interesting.”

        Here’s a collection of Mike’s tweets, in case our own technoratti want to review.

        https://t.co/bTxHAFB01D

        • John30013

          It certainly seems there’s “something” there. If there’s an innocent explanation for why the Trump organization has a number of computers with internet addresses in Moscow (some quite close physically to the Kremlin), I’d love to hear it.

          • -M-

            As near as I could follow, the ‘innocent’ explanation would be someone hacking or spoofing things to make it look like those sub domains exist. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

            So mind games, diversion, false trail or something. ¯_(ツ)_/¯?

    • BearEyes

      why am I not surprised?

    • BobSF_94117

      It’s just Trump’s people searching real estate listing for dachas where they can spend the rest of lives in exile.

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN
  • Michael R

    Thank goodness we have a president who keeps all his promises

    “I have a message for all of you: The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20, 2017, safety will be restored,” Trump said in his speech formally accepting the Republican nomination for president.

  • SoCalGal20

    It pisses me off that the first thing that came to mind was “Did somebody in the administration set this up as a distraction?” Fuck you, Trump.

    • JCF

      It was just INSANELY convenient.

      On the other hand (TBH), the ISIS assholes apparently specifically encouraged terror on “Halloween, October 31” (i.e., specifying the date, for those who might not be familiar w/ Halloween).

      Regardless, the ISIS assholes are *servicing Drumpf* (barf), whether or not he organized them (probably not).

  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    o/t His arrest can’t come soon enough : Don Jr. threatens to steal candy from his own daughter to teach her ‘socialism’ :

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/internet-slams-don-jr-for-threatening-to-steal-candy-from-his-own-daughter-to-teach-her-socialism/

  • Cuberly Deux

    So the Stranger Things #justiceforbarb meme has officially been retired. Apparently the new meme is #hopperdancingto

    https://twitter.com/hopperdancingto/status/925482299478519808

    https://twitter.com/hopperdancingto

    • Talisman

      Still, I would.

  • Turkey Lurkey

    Cult 45 is all over Twitter screaming “BUILD THE WALL!!!”

    Umm….how many terrorists have came here via the southern border?

    • SoCalGal20

      I wonder what they’ll do when the wall is built and there’s still terrorism.

      • Reality.Bites

        But none of it will be from Mexicans.

        (Same as now)

      • Ross

        Silly!

        You know the answer!

        BLAME OBAMA!

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        BUILD THE DOME! BUILD THE DOME!

    • edrex

      maybe build one along nyc bike paths?

    • JWC

      It was a similar hue and cry after 911 when it was determined that some of the terrorist entered thru Canada That Canada were badasses Well we don’t check you when you leave that the responsibilty of the US

  • MassageBear

    So whose fault is this, *45?

  • Lazycrockett
    • JAKvirginia

      Ruh roh.

  • Treant

    So…you’re saying Dumpy dropped the ball? Didn’t follow through? Stroked hard and fast but couldn’t finish? You could say…a little impotent? Something like that? Soft on Terrorism? Can’t get it up and keep it up? Weak willie? Soft schlong?

    Y’know what I’m sayin’ here?

  • Talisman

    Well, there you go. He entered the country under the watch of Clinton & Obama, and so it’s all their fault. Again.

    • ByronK

      And they both personally signed his entry papers and threw him a dinner party while praising his faith.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Speaking of tweets. Donald Jr is one sick motherfucker.

    https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/925517103465156608

    • AmeriCanadian

      I really think he is being facetious, if that really is his tweet.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        It is his tweet.
        He’s not being facetious.

        • Lizard

          I don’t think so either. It’s just the kind of opportunistic shittiness that really defines the tRump brand.

      • Dazzer

        I’m really not sure he has a gear-stick movement that would take him out of ‘facetious’.

    • JAKvirginia

      Oh, please! She trick or treated in her condo building. What floor now, sweetie?

      • ByronK

        “Let’s avoid 3402, they only hand out cubic zirconias.”

        • Joe in PA

          Or 2914…yellow cake uranium.

    • Treant

      Except that to teach her Trumpism, he should go beat up a dozen or so poor kids and take their candy, giving it to Chloe, who doesn’t need more candy, just because she’s a spoiled rich girl.

      • AmeriCanadian

        That’s where I got confused. Since when does a Drumpf spawn believe in socialism? Or is it a punishment? I just can’t tell anymore in a world where I’m constantly being told up is down and down is up.

        • Treant

          It’s to program Chloe to vote Republican even if her parents have to lie to her constantly through childhood to get her to believe shit that simply isn’t true.

          Or, it’s a religion and it has more American adherents than christianity, although it sometimes borrows the name.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Well I feel silly now for my earlier comment. Thanks for ‘splaining it to me!

          • Treant

            Have we mentioned I’m a pedant? Because…I’m pedantic. Just letting you know.

          • AmeriCanadian

            That’s quite alright. You can be as pedantic as you like. I am not proud (well I **am** out and proud but you know what I mean).

          • Silver Badger

            But are you also pendulant?

          • Treant

            It’s a bit chill in here this evening.

          • Silver Badger

            Shrinkage is a total drag, but it can often be countered with proper care.

    • He is. He leaves out the part where his daughter was given that candy, piece by piece, by individual members of their community in a holiday that celebrates generosity and fun.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Chloe earned every single piece of that candy through her hard work! Like ALL the other drümpfs did.

    • Tulle Christensen

      You mean the kid who sat at home because he cannot walk and cannot afford a wheelchair?

      • Silver Badger

        Or perhaps the one who is babysitting his siblings so mom can work double shifts.

    • Joe in PA

      Hillary was way, way too kind with “deplorable”. Sick fuck is right.

    • RemusL

      Not surprised that DJTJ doesn’t know the difference between charity and socialism. Not to worry. Octogenarian Helen Philpot is here to educate him.

      That's called charity. Socialism advocates means of production, distribution, & exchange should be owned regulated by community as whole.— Helen Philpot (@HelenPhilpot) November 1, 2017

    • William

      Explaining ‘Noblesse Oblige’ to Junior would be a waste of time.

    • Eddie Besketti

      DTj should take half of his lazy ass and give it to someone who gives a fuck.

      • Todd20036

        Twitler would still be overweight

  • jpinphx

    Meanwhile….they aren’t screaming about the older white guy who shot 58 people in Las Vegas. Gun control? what?

    • Chucktech

      but he was a murican with a gun u godles homo lol ha ha

    • Bluto

      That was merely a lone wolf. (white guy)

  • Ninja0980

    After close to three hours, the kids have stopped coming to the house.
    Hubby and I are calling it a night.

  • greenmanTN

    OT. A few Halloween decorations I found while unboxing. You have to admit the ghost/bat salt & pepper shakers are cute. The Wild Thing figure isn’t just for Halloween and I have the whole set… #nerdpowersactivate! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/650584a54dfa7d11b41a3ea79a9f57f212a37d562fa178451f86d6e3584d3b51.jpg

  • Refugay

    Just have to share because I am so freaking excited-I am going to see Dracula: Film & Music w/ Philip Glass & Kronos Quartet tonight at Paramount Theatre of the Arts in Oakland tonight-on halloween!!! It’s also a special place for the husband and I as he took his citizenship oath there Jan. 5 2017 (pre fake president, barley!). So many great things wrapped up in one evening’s package!

    • Dazzer

      *envious*

      • Refugay

        We’ve seen a few great films there-Wizard of Oz, Jaws, Blade Runner, and Vertigo but Dracula, it’s the 1931 version w/ Bela Lugosi, has a special stake in my heart.

        Btw, Glass composed the score in 1999 as the 1931 film did not have an original score. Kronos and Glass (on piano) performed the score during viewings of the movie across the United States in 1999 and 2000 to promote the album. Tonight’s performance in a part of Glass’s 80th birthday celebration.

        I feel pretty lucky to have to opportunity to see this! Wish I had some extras!

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          I hope it’s every bit as much as you hope for. Have a wonderful evening!!!!

    • edrex

      i had drinks with philip glass several years ago. a close friend went to julliard w his wife and they stayed in touch. when they performed in town my friend took me along and we went out w them after the show. was kind of cool.

      • ByronK

        Very cool. So did he just keep saying the same thing over and over again? lol

        • Natty Enquirer

          I’m sure he changed a word here and there every couple dozen times.

          • ByronK

            lol

  • Uzbekistan has a Russia-friendly government and is currently basically being run by oligarchs loyal to Putin. Of course Donald’s not going to ban people from there.

  • Treant

    The Fog is on This! (extreme upper channel on my guide).

    Adrienne Barbeau was always rather underrated as an actress in my book.

    • boobert

      She had some big boobies !

      • AmeriCanadian

        I found her hot, in a Kate Jackson sort of way. Intelligence is an attractive trait to me.

        • Lazycrockett

          Sabrina was the best Angel.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Totally agree. If I were straight, I would have totally had her poster in my room as opposed to Fawcett (or Smith).

          • Talisman

            The smartest and best of the bunch.

            I remember her turn in Making Love. I think that movie pretty much doomed the career of everyone involved.

          • AmeriCanadian

            OK…I have to tell this story. I was around 13 or 14 when that movie came out and I wanted to see it SO BADLY. My dad had a bootleg subscription TV decoder (in Detroit, WXON channel 20 showed pay TV at night which was scrambled). Anyway, I took it off of the TV in the living room and hooked it up to a little 13 inch black and white TV in my room and was able to watch it. I swooned over Harry Hamlin at the time. I so loved that film!!!

          • Talisman

            My parents got used to my sisters staying up late on Fri/Sat to watch wrestling – it was on at something like 2am. I would stay up with them, but mostly because we would watch the late movie or a movie hosted by Elvira. So they got lax about checking in on what we were watching.

            Anyway, we moved into town when I was about 13 (around ’83-’84), and got cable, with HBO and maybe even Showtime. I was really into music videos. Our local cable company didn’t carry MTV, but TBS had Night Tracks, which came on at 11pm and ran until 2am. I would stay up to watch it. After Night Tracks went off, I’d usually watch some low-budget comedy (along the lines of the Porky’s franchise) with lots of breasts, hoping to catch a glimpse of male ass (though I wouldn’t admit it). At some point, I watched Making Love, and was kind of shocked by the frankness of it. It certainly confirmed that I liked guys.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Fun times, no? I wasn’t supposed to watch any of the “pay TV” movies hence the need to sneak the decoder into my room. My parents would have freaked if they knew I watched such “filth” (their words at the time). My family was quite homophobic while I was growing up…not a positive environment at all. That’s one of the reasons why I loved that movie. Although parts were sad, it ended on a happy note and gave me some hope that I could have a better life as an adult. Oh the things we remember!

          • boobert

            Harry Hamlin recovered.

          • Reality.Bites

            And in recent years he’s gone back to playing gay roles on Shameless and Glee.

          • Lazycrockett

            They all did.
            L.A Law
            Scarecrow and Ms King
            Twin Peaks.

          • JCF

            I loved his relationship w/ Susay Dey in “L.A. Law”. Such witty repartee.

            Michael, after getting out of a weekend “contempt” jail-stay: “Were you faithful to me, while I was in prison, Grace?”

            Grace: “Oh, Mickey, I tried. But 48 hours is a long, LONG time!”

            Then, after they broke up. Michael has purchased a motorcycle.

            Grace: “I’ve never seen anything so…powerful between your legs before, Mickey.”

            Michael: “That’s because I’ve never before had anything this responsive under me!”

            Zing!

          • JCF

            Please, it’s “Bree”!

      • Treant

        I actually wouldn’t notice. She does have a Sigourney Weaver vibe, though.

        • boobert

          Whenever I see big boobies I crack up hysterically. Especially when the woman doesn’t realize I’m gay. It’s like that line in wizard of oz, ” You have no power here ! “

          • Treant

            “Begone, before I drop a makeover on you too!”

          • kareemachan

            Wasn’t that Gandalf in FOTR?

          • Talisman

            Theoden, channeling Saruman.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbyCMpBLhOQ

          • Reality.Bites

            Years ago a full-figured gal came over to my new place on the northern edge of the village. We decided to go for coffee or a drink or something. It was the first nice day of spring and the street was packed with guys. She said to me, “I’ve never seen so many guys not looking at my tits!”

      • Silver Badger

        Not important unless she’s opening a dairy.

      • Tulle Christensen

        Blue Footed?

      • ByronK

        Unfortunately it’s as if her career withered in their shadow. I didn’t realize The Fog was her first feature film. I knew she was married to John Carpenter at the time.

        • boobert

          And there was swamp thing ? lol

    • greenmanTN

      Trivia! She married director John Carpenter after they met on the set of the TV movie “Someone Is Watching Me” starring Lauren Hutton as a woman being stalked from afar in her high rise apartment. (Kind of like Rear Window in reverse.) Adrienne plays her lesbian co-worker and friend, a pretty ground-breaking thing considering it was a TV movie from the 70s. It’s actually a pretty good, suspenseful movie.

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTA3NTE2MTYxMzleQTJeQWpwZ15BbWU4MDM5NDI5MDMx._V1_UY268_CR2,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tioeg4AHIiI/Tmo6YIhkizI/AAAAAAAAAf0/PYuFOKfmX3k/s1600/vlcsnap-92544.png

    • Ninja0980

      She was.
      She has done guest appearances on shows such as Murder, She Wrote, Cold Case etc but nothing major that I can see.

  • JAKvirginia

    WAY O/T: Voted today in VA. Absentee ballot. Straight Dem ticket. C’mon Dems. The world is watching!

  • JWC

    hey Trumpy dick wad just put Ubekistan on the list and take Chad off

  • Michael R
    • Treant

      The sun jars are in the windows, and the pumpkin will stay lit until sunrise. We should be relatively safe from ghouls and ghosties.

      Relatively.

      (I built the jars and LED light for the pumpkin myself, so it’s safe and no flame is involved).

    • Dazzer

      No wonder they’re pissed off. Cats aren’t vegetarian.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Though they enjoy a bit of grass from time to time.

        • AmeriCanadian

          Yes, so much so it usually makes a second appearance later in the day (or night if your lucky).

    • JCF

      I get the feeling there were some *particularly good* drugs behind the creation of this card. [Opium? Coca-Cola back when it contained cocaine? Reefer Madness?]

  • Lazycrockett
    • Treant

      Clovis: The man who looks like he ate Colonel Sanders.

    • Talisman

      Yeah, let’s not talk about his politics, his beliefs, or his agenda. It’s all about his weight.

      • kareemachan

        If the shoe fits. But I guess he’s appropriate when he’s going to be dealing with pigs.

    • kareemachan

      Well, he looks…. porcine.

  • leo77

    In fact I believe Trump has business interests in Uzbekistan

    • Dazzer

      So he can go bankrupt there as well?

    • I looked but wasn’t able to find any. He and Ivanka tried to build their vagina-shaped Trump Tower of Blatant Moneylaundering & Sanctions Violations in neighboring Azerbaijan.

      Main thing I was able to find is Uzbekistan is, like many former Soviet Republics, currently being run by oligarchs after a brief stint as an almost-democratic republic.

      The U.S. has had a base there for some time, usually serving as a staging ground for ops in Afghanistan, which Russia did not like.

  • SoCalGal20

    CA voters, this will be an important Prop if it gets the signatures to get on the ballot

    https://twitter.com/mranthonyweiss/status/925469731779436544

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Where do I sign?

      • SoCalGal20

        Find somebody with a petition!

    • JCF

      At the same time, the law enforcement/prison-industrial complex in CA, is going to circulate a petition to (essentially) undo Prop 47 (which reduced CA’s out-of-control prison population, for low level offenders).

  • Moebym of the Returners
    • ByronK

      Lol! Would you like fries with that?

  • Paula

    This is Trump’s fault. Why didn’t you protect us, Donnie.
    Delete your presidency!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      He needs to take that sledge hammer to the biggest, most orange pumpkin of them all.

  • Nic Peterson

    Didn’t that used to be part of Soviet Union? Boris?

  • Scott E D

    Remember when we were offended that Trump doesn’t mention the victims in his initial tweets about a tragedy. It was a simpler time back then.

  • SoCalGal20

    This might be old news but Republican Rep Jeb Hensarling of Texas is retiring.

    https://twitter.com/nbcla/status/925523298703822848

    • kareemachan

      Gawd, that smirk…. Says, “I got mine, fuck you unless your really, really rich and a repug.”

    • Danieruw

      Good. He’s a monster!

    • greenmanTN

      Did he have a cat’s asshole transplanted to replace his lips?

  • Ross
  • safari
    • Natty Enquirer

      “Eighty-eight”?

  • safari

    I’m going to go OT for the rest of the night because there is nothing to say on this matter. So, getting back to more conventional issues:
    https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/925516614874869761

    • Treant

      So Monday if we’re lucky, with vastly reduced tax breaks and increased spending in other areas as Republicans realize that starving people don’t vote for you.

      • safari

        Nah. The stock market has already assumed a reasonable chance of GOP tax cuts. If they fail — boom!

        • safari

          Then they’ll worry.

  • kareemachan

    Come ON, give the orange shitgibbon a break. He can’t pronounce Uzbekistan, much less spell it.

    • Talisman

      He has Melania to translate.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Treant

      Sure, one gets used to anything after a while.

      It should also be an indication that the other nations don’t consider us an untouchable behemoth of a super-power any longer. This shit didn’t happen so regularly in the 1970’s and 1980’s.

    • greenmanTN

      It’s partly, if not mostly, fatigue.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Agreed

        • safari

          At least for this event I can’t be upset since we haven’t done anything to process the 500+ people who were shot a month ago.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Yeah. We know how this will go. We focus on it for a couple days then it becomes another statistics.

            We’re not alone btw, the entire world reacts like this

          • safari

            I take solace in the fact that particular murderous views go in cycles. We had anarchists in the early 20th century try to blow up Wall Street and now we’ve got random white men shooting people and jihadi people shooting others.

            There’s always violence. It’s just how close to the surface it comes.

    • safari

      I agree. I hope it is the start of rational fears. This isn’t to take away from the horror of what has happened. But it is time to put terrorism into perspective.

      • Natty Enquirer

        What perspective is that?

        • safari

          It’s rare and you’ll most likely have loved ones and yourself die in other ways.

    • On the other hand, our country’s alleged leader reacts like he’s in a state of panic and terror.

  • safari

    Oh, Facebook. You don’t make me trust you more when you inform me of this:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3af5eab88cf321e54486e127b63823e10144eeee3395b96a1624ee9395e43a93.png

    • Treant

      “We will decide what you see and when you see it. Enjoy. Or not. We don’t have to care.”

      • safari

        There’s a “News Feed” selection that can sort by “Most Popular” or “Newest”. For years with me neither is checked when I open the popdown.

      • safari

        “Empty your pockets.”

    • Tawreos

      This will make it easier to push the Russian bought ads at you. Aren’t you lucky

    • SoCalGal20

      Apparently you can shut that off by going into your settings. Google it. I wish social media would fucking get the clue that I know what I want to see but this is how they force paid content and shit on you.

  • Treant

    OT: Well, I’m watching The Fog, and every time I do so, I realize that the fog looks like semen when you’re having sex under a black light.

    I know, TMI, but there it is. Fog does not glow like that.

  • Gretchen

    OT: I got an email today that I think explains what is wrong with America. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/942c6cb3f554d396979016f24379fc12f20e4a94c3ae46bae114744d7b702c2d.png

    • Natty Enquirer
      • Treant

        Hey, I grew up on top Ramen noodles and cheap vodka. They can, too.

        • Together? Do you have a recipe? Like Pasta with vodka sauce?

          • Treant

            While you can boil the noodles in the vodka, the alcohol gets lost–and can resemble a crepe Suzette if you do it wrong.

            I suggest making the noodles and drinking the vodka, or allowing the noodles to cool and then liberally pouring vodka over them.

      • safari

        Oh childhood.

      • OdieDenCO

        heathen, grabbing the wine with a rocks glass in hand. nobody teaches the fine point anymore.

        • safari

          And it’s red wine. *sigh*

      • Lazycrockett
      • My WASP friends from places like Darien, Connecticut and Bronxville, New York (which is anything but the Bronx) tell me that one of the hallmarks of coming from those places is knowing the exact ratio of gin and vermouth dad prefered in his martini and making sure to have it ready as soon as he got home for dinner by the age of 9. The dog would greet dad with the paper, the cook with the rib roast, and junior with a dry martini — the perfect American home.

    • Treant

      One, that is not a life hack. So yes, the dumbification of America continues just from that title. 🙂

      Two. I can’t even comment on the parenting issues that ad exemplifies.

    • safari

      I’d settle for my office phone, after the flood, to boot into a mode that lets it receive and make calls.

    • BobSF_94117

      Do people need to find kids’ shows fast because they were watching porn in the family room while the wife and kids went to the grocery store and they came home early?

      • Gretchen

        Honestly, I find that reason less appalling than needing it to babysit one’s children so badly that one has to have a short cut just to make it happen even faster.

  • SoCalGal20

    Rachel has some big trump Russia document news coming up

    • houstonray

      Watching the Astros….let us know what it is please.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Hope it’s bigger than her Trump tax exclusive 😉

      • SoCalGal20

        Oh it was.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Just read some of the things she covered. ANY half-compotant vetting would have never brought him on a national campaign.

  • houstonray

    I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 1, 2017

    • houstonray

      New tweet above from Orange Foolius.

      • safari

        Ugh. And I responded.

    • Treant

      WTF, moronic dotard?

      If I bothered with Twitter any longer… Well, I don’t.

    • BobSF_94117

      They’re behind Obama on deportations. They’re behind Obama on vetting. They’ve made a mess of it all.

    • TuuxKabin

      It’s 10:32 pm, October 31, 2017. Is he out of the country?

  • RealityBass

    SCTV: “Uzbeks are the weak link in the great chain of socialism!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCCCRAcTAA

  • boobert

    They need to sell kozy shack tapioca pudding in a bucket ! Those tiny containers don’t do it !

  • Lazycrockett

    Manafort is in a heap of trouble.

    • safari

      He’s that slime creature that killed Lt. Yar.

      • Talisman

        Points to you.

      • JCF

        Lt. Yar made me gay!

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      I read he faces up to 80 years in prison.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        And up to 70 years for Gates.

      • houstonray

        I just can’t believe that facing the rest of their lives in prison, they wouldn’t give up the goods on Trump? I mean, what do they owe to that man?

        “yes sir, you face 80 years in prison, would you like to cooperate?” “80 years in prison? For Trump? Oh HELL no….what do you want to know…..?”

        • OdieDenCO

          life in prison or death by putin? your choice.

        • Adam King

          They’re counting on pardons.

          • Talisman

            Let there be pardons. No one will be immune to the 5th amendment, and implicitly admit to being guilty.

  • Blake J Butler
  • Gretchen

    OT: Can I come live with one of you nice folks? My husband is listening to someone on Facebook singing a Karaoke version of Older Women Make Beautiful Lovers.

    • safari

      I can’t say I have the space. However, I can say that this has no meaning for me.

      • Gretchen

        Count your blessings, friend.

    • Treant

      Uh, Gretchen, honey, that’s an indication that he’d like you to drop in and prove it. Or, if you’re a younger lady, stop in and disprove it.

      Go.

      • Gretchen

        I am somewhere in the middle with zero hormones. There will be no proof without a prior written request and thirty days notice.

        • Treant

          This makes me glad to be male. I’m somewhere in the middle with hormones that have slacked off since my twenties…but not all that much, really.

          • Ninja0980

            Same here to a degree.
            Still, since we’re in our 30’s hubby and I ahem enjoy ourselves a lot still.

          • Treant

            Do it right and you’ll still be at it like rabbits at age fifty.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            I rely on the kindness of testosterone replacement….lol

          • Treant

            Sweet heavens, you give me testosterone replacement and you won’t ever get me off my husband…or whatever random man happens to walk by.

            I kind of enjoy the fact that the Effexor turns the fire down a bit.

        • JCF

          Somewhere at the nexus of “there are drugs for that” and (to paraphrase “Field of Dreams”) “if your lover builds it, you will come” (talent creates hormones!”).

          Or else you’re just not getting enough sleep.

          • Gretchen

            I wish it were that simple for me. It’s TMI, but I had a complete hysterectomy in my early 30’s and can’t take hormone replacements because I have a history of blood clots. I have tried to convince my husband that I am fine with opening his end of our relationship, but he tells me he is good with things as they are. It isn’t really fair to him for his sex life to be over just because mine is, but I can’t make him look elsewhere. I’m sorry for over sharing. I guess I feel more guilty about it than I realized.

          • JCF

            {{{Gretchen}}}
            {{{Gretchen & spouse}}}

            If we’re getting TMI: if this is a libido issue, have you asked about topical testosterone? T is the hormone of horniness, and applied topically, might (MIGHT) not be a blood clot issue.

            Beyond that: you’ve communicated, you’ve sought a solution for him—you have no cause to feel guilty! And even if medical science doesn’t have a solution for you *now*, I hope you’ll keep looking for ways to get your sex life back. Tomorrow is always another day…for you AND your family jewels!

            Best to you, Gretchen—may there yet be orgasms in your future! ;-/

          • Gretchen

            Thank you for offering a suggestion and support. Unfortunately girls need a little estrogen too to make all the bits and bobs cooperate. It’s hard to miss what you literally have no desire to have, so I’m okay. It makes me sad for my husband, but perhaps somewhere along the way he will decide to take me up on my offer. For me, I’m happy being married to my best friend. Of course I wouldn’t turn down a sister wife if she wanted to take up my slack.

    • Mikey

      what I want to know is, what do these older women use to make these supposedly “beautiful lovers”? Clay? Twine? Phentex?

      • Treant

        Modeling putty and silicone molds, of course.

        • Mikey

          Well, it they’d made them out of chocolate I MIGHT have been tempted.

      • Gretchen

        If I knew how to make one, I would.

      • Adam King

        Yarn.

    • Adam King
  • safari

    I’m… incredibly bitter and cynical this evening. I think it’s because I saw my therapist today and that puts me in a worse mood then if I didn’t.

    • Gretchen

      Been there. Sometimes you have to cut deep to get to the poison.

      • safari

        I should really find a different therapist. She’s not a bad person, but I think mid-20th century psychoanalysis would be more productive.

        • Treant

          And how does that make you feel?

          • safari

            You’re so last century.

            “When you feel this way, you should think, how can I feel better?”

        • Gretchen

          I finally found one who has helped me make some progress. Sometimes you just have to keep trying until you find the right fit. Mine let me come in and just vent for over a year until I was comfortable enough to decide I was ready to do some real work.

        • edrex

          i say “go for it.”

        • BobSF_94117

          Plus it would match the dining set.

          • safari

            I would love a mid-century sleek hosting area.

    • I hear ya. I also am in far less than optimal shape myself.

      I find myself wishing I had some tranqs or anti-anxiety meds. All I got is booze and distractions.

      • safari

        Benzos and the like work great. I’m a person who breaks teeth when he sleeps because of clenching. I cried when I took Xanax for the first time because my jaw relaxed and the sharp-wonderful pain was welcoming. I’m past that particular stage, but, like TV warns me about magic: “All pharmaceuticals come with a price”.

        • Natty Enquirer

          I have used temazepam in the past to sleep, but I get rebound anxiety the next day. And fortunately never used it long enough to get hooked.

          • safari

            I was about to type out all my responses to *all* the drugs except the most recent non-generic. Then I decided I shouldn’t.

      • worstcultever

        I too found myself more depressed & dispirited than usual today

    • greenmanTN

      How about something bitter, nihilistic and funny to cheer you up? (Plus it has Scott Thompson in it.)

      https://youtu.be/yE6QFxiLO_A

      • safari

        Calgon, take me away.

      • safari

        Oh, as the clip ends, thank you. Thank you.

        • safari

          It reminds me of a call earlier this evening with my mother: “Your aunt has an extra heart beat and refuses to take medication because she thinks pills are bad. Her doctor wants a 24 hour heart monitor and if nothing is wrong he’ll see her in early-spring. You’re grandmother will be so upset if she had to find out by happenstance…”

          Apparently, I have a calling (and pun)…

    • JCF

      Just throwing this out there, per usual: emotionsanonymous.org

      “One Day [Hour, Minute] at a Time”

      • safari

        Thanks for the suggestion. I deconstructed the AA 12-steps within 2 weeks, read about how horrible Bill was, admired the fact that he recommended LSD, and found his debilitating depression never went away even after he stole the rights to the Big Book from his fellows in need.

        • JCF

          Okaaaaay. Whatever works—take what you like, and leave the rest.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Maddow: Gates showed up to his arraignment without legal counsel.

    • safari

      *throws up hands*
      It’s an adversarial system. Is he trying to just draw out the process?

      • Adam King

        More likely just dumb overconfidence.

    • Word yesterday was he didn’t have an attorney and had to have a PD enter his not-guilty plea for him.

      Now, alas for him, because he didn’t already have counsel, he’ll have to prove any money he uses for it isn’t tainted by money-laundering. And that ain’t easy.

      • BobSF_94117

        I thought Trumpy was doling out money for his co-conspirators minions’ legal fees.

  • Lazycrockett

    Manafort had 3 passports?!?!?

    • Treant

      Civilian, official Government, and Traitor?

      • safari

        Trump University Student?

    • Natty Enquirer
      • Lazycrockett
        • safari

          The 90s version. Me. My brother. The TV. Totinos pizza. And orange pop.

          • Bah, you kids and your modern updated Mission Impossible!

            In my day, we had Peter Graves and Mr. Spock w/out the ears and Commander Koenig before he was promoted along with his wife Dr Helena Russel to Moonbase Alpha, Barney Collier and some beefy dude whose name always escaped me—and a rotating bunch of the same character actors who were repeatedly picked each week to be sent off on suicide missions—and we liked it!

          • safari

            In my day the cast of Battlestar Galatica spoke before the United Nations.

          • I saw first-run broadcast episodes of Star Trek. And we didn’t need to specify which version.

          • And the fact that I had the biggest damned crushes on both Keith and Laurie Partridge ought to have told me something crucial about myself that I wouldn’t really address until almost a quarter century later…

          • For the record, I always loathed the Brady Bunch. Horrible people.

          • Rob NYNY

            Peter Lupus.

          • safari

            It’s never lupus.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      * Manafort currently has three US passports, each under a different number. He has submitted 10 passport applications in roughly as many years, prosecutors said.

      • BobSF_94117

        Isn’t that illegal?

        • SoCalGal20

          Apparently there are two circumstances civilians would be able to get a second passport: If you travel to multiple countries where Country A may deny you entry if you’ve visited Country B. The other reason is if you’ve sent away your passport to get a visa but need to travel out of the country in the interim.

          https://www.outsideonline.com/1979201/can-i-really-have-two-us-passports

    • gaycuckhubby

      Wait. What?

      • SoCalGal20

        Rachel was going through the Manafort and Gates arrest documents that the DC court unsealed a little while ago not too long before Rachel went on the air. One of the documents was the justification for why Manafort should be held under closely supervised house arrest.

    • Snarky

      Settle down, everyone. He had a punch card that entitled him to a free passport after he bought the first ten. Nothing to see here, please move along!
      /s

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Im still stuck on him spending 800k in one clothing store in nyc…..
      I hope he bought watches cause 800k will buy a ton of clothes

  • worstcultever

    I really want Mueller to keep hitting with indictments – now now NOW – one after another – legal shock and awe, just overwhelming the Dump crime mob & puke/fox machine, giving none of them any time to breathe let alone fashion their squirrel blather points.

  • Lazycrockett

    5 killed was from Argentina
    1 From Belgium.

    • Treant

      That almost sounds…targeted. Seven total were killed, correct? 5 of 7 being from one specific country is just odd.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Tourists?

        • Treant

          Could be. Personally, I’d Tweet to Dumpy that clearly the fellow objected to Argentinians.

      • SoCalGal20

        I’m pretty sure they were just a tourist group in the wrong place, unfortunately.

        I think several of the injured were also Belgian.

  • Ninja0980

    Just saw the story on Jeremy Piven.
    Glad to see people speaking up but in the same breath, I do get worried now that all someone has to do is say someone did something to them and just like that, they are presumed guilty.
    No easy answers here.

    • Treant

      It does seem to be accelerating. When it reaches the level of Satanic Day Cares in the 1970’s, you’ll know peak hysteria has arrived.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Remember McMartin Preschool? They had prosecutors believing that there was a network of secret tunnels under the property and that kids were routinely spirited into dungeons, used as props in perverse rituals, and returned to their classrooms without anyone being the wiser!

        • Treant

          (rolls eyes) I was a kid during that period and even *I* thought the whole thing was completely ridiculous.

          But several lives were completely ruined from the whole blame game.

          • Ninja0980

            Yup, read a story about that in Reader’s Digest.
            A family was accused of sexual abuse and the teen son ended up being tried by then ASA Janet Reno.
            They were found not guilty but they ended up moving to the Netherlands when all was said and done.

          • Natty Enquirer

            It really hinged on people’s unwillingness to believe that children could make such things up. But they did, with a lot of prompting by the investigators. Something to keep in mind: the luridness of an accusation does not prove its veracity.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Lillian hellman’s The Childrens Hour……

        • I remember that time well. That was when we learned how incredibly easy it was to implant fake ‘memories’ in almost anybody, but especially in easily impressionable children who are hardwired to want to please adults.

          What was amazing about that time was how the outlandish accusations kept escalating and becoming ever more ridiculous. And yet people still believed.

        • worstcultever

          Christ almighty, McMartin? Srsly? As if having anything to do with these hundreds of rational adult men and women calling out sexual harassers/abusers in 2017? Fuck, I give up.

          • SoCalGal20

            I was considering saying something but I just can’t right now.

          • Treant

            Yes, exactly like that. Frankly, it’s sickening how many people are entirely willing to take any accusation as truth without it ever setting foot in a courtroom.

            We’re supposed to consider people innocent until proven guilty. Except, apparently, as far as harassment accusations go, where we should make sure they’re fired from every job and/or project they’re on without a single shred of proof.

    • Natty Enquirer

      That has been the case for some time now. And they lose awards, memberships, and jobs before they set foot in a courtroom.

      • worstcultever

        yes it’s overwhelming how many are falsely accused vs. how many are victimized – the ratio might be like 99/1

        • Ninja0980

          I know but it does happen.
          Duke Lacrosse case sadly showed that.

          • Treant

            That’s why we have courtrooms. And frankly, if the case never hits a courtroom, we kind of have to assume the person to be innocent.

    • RemusL

      Well, damn. I was starting to like his new series, Wisdom of the Crowd.

    • boobert

      Everything passes, give it some time. They’re playing cosby reruns on tv again.

    • Lazycrockett

      Yeah well cmon its Piven.

      • Lazycrockett

        and to add, this is Hollywood everyone knows everyones biz if these accusations are true they will effect Piven’s career if they aren’t it will die down. Men who do this don’t one off, its habitual.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I usually go with the numbers. When it’s Cosby or Weinstein numbers, it makes it hard to deny. Also, it seems quite a few of them seem to do a lot of crap in front of other people or boast about it to others like Dump.

  • Lazycrockett
    • DaddyRay

      And you just know the touting of those Russian contacts were a plus for why he was allowed to work on the Trump campaign

      • Eagerly welcomed, more like it.

      • Lazycrockett

        Seems like a lot of work for a low level volunteer right?

  • safari
  • Lazycrockett
  • SoCalGal20

    This is so sad. The Argentinians killed today were celebrating the anniversary of their HS graduation.

    https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/925553093940531200

    • worstcultever

      Fuck this world. Going to bed. Considering vodka for breakfast.

      • coram nobis

        Do have it with granola or at least cornflakes. Fiber is always good.

  • DaddyRay

    Ugh Ari hosting the 11th hour

    • SoCalGal20

      He is? Ali Velshi is on my screen right now.

    • Treant

      There’s always Family Guy.

    • Lazycrockett

      Ari is the new Joy, he been working his ass of on MSNBC. This makes his 3rd gig today.

      • safari

        But Joy has charisma. Ari makes me think I should switch from buttering my toast to using cream cheese.

        • Lazycrockett

          I give Ari some credit when it comes to finance and government spending he knows his shit and much like Joy wont take crap from someone he’s interviewing.

  • Lazycrockett
    • houstonray

      OH MY GOD! I had this album when I was little!!! Ah the memories. Must have listened to it a hundred times (yeah, not always at Halloween, ha) Thank you for this….

      • edrex

        so did i! asked for it for my bday. also had this:

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tFqFfQjXMWk

        • houstonray

          Damn don’t remember this one. So fun remembering these things.

      • Lazycrockett

        That Chinese water torture bit though, today talk bout un PC.

        • houstonray

          I just got through listening to the whole thing (via the youtube link) yep I thought the same thing. A bit un PC for sure.

      • Lazycrockett

        I got a whole slew of Disney’s storybook records as a hand me down as a kid. Everything from Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day to Uncle Remus. Still have them packed away somewhere.

        • coram nobis

          Disney could be scary, as with this bit, which anybody who was little that year would remember.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2WeFy8_0gs

          • Natty Enquirer

            I think there were a couple appearances of the banshee. Terrified me!

          • Treant

            Lordy, I remember that.

            Fun fact: Banshee isn’t actually their name, so to speak. It’s simply the joining of Ban and Sidhe (re-spelled to shee for Americans!). Literally, it means bad (ban) fairy (Sidhe).

            Other uses of sidhe (including “burial hill”) exist as well.

          • coram nobis

            Film also had Sean Connery’s singing.

          • Treant

            Which was a mite frightening in and of itself.

    • coram nobis

      Some appropriate dance music.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2PoSljk8cE

      • safari

        I was driving to join my boyfriend at a protest at the local mega-church “horror house” featuring satan’s same-sex wedding. It was dark, around 9, and I was cruising at around 55 on the expressway that cuts through town. It was sleeting. The Monster Mash comes on the radio.

        My car loses traction. Time slows to a crawl. I look at the blue light on my dash shouting “LOW TRACTION” as my car begins to spin in traffic. It bounces off the rails on each side of the roadway as I think, “Welp.”

        I come to a halt on the shoulder against the guardrail. An off duty police officer pulls in behind me to check on me. The song haunts me.

        • Treant

          (shudder)

          Flippant reply: But did you get to the protest and at least stress-tongue your boyfriend in front of the church?

          While I’ve spun a car, I can’t for the life of me remember what was on the radio at the time.

          • safari

            Actually I drove white-knuckled back to my apartment in a state of near shock. Then I got yelled at when he came home.

          • Treant

            So I’m hoping he’s your ex-boyfriend?

          • safari

            Quite. We broke up a few months later, and he moved to California to be closer to the tech industry. He OD’d two Aprils ago and died at the age of 32. We hadn’t seen each other in over a decade, but it was the first death that hit me.

          • Treant

            Wow, that’s rough!

            I actually think everybody who I slept with whose name I know and who I kept in touch with is still alive…

        • coram nobis

          “Gimme Dat Ding” could also have that effect when driving.

    • safari
    • greenmanTN

      This movie, or at least 2 scenes from it, used to scare me as a kid. I still like it as an adult because it’s actually a decent comedy with some great lines.

      And they used Bon Ami!

      Taro, Taro, Solomon!

      Do calm and murder go together? Calm and MURDER?!

      https://youtu.be/fkSk-Zz9Bno

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/925492727969665030
    This kind of stuff doesn’t help.
    A teacher my cousin worked with was outed as a harasser and yet despite there being rumors and “everyone” knowing she and several others didn’t.
    And yet she and others were blamed for “allowing” her former creep co-worker to get away with what he did despite the fact they didn’t know.
    Don’t get me wrong, many of the people getting busted now had rumors floating around them for years.
    But rumors aren’t fact and ripping apart anyone and everyone these pervs have ever been in contact with isn’t a good way to fight this problem IMO.

    • Treant

      Not to go off on a rant here, since I’m about to get “I WAS HARRASSED YOU SON OF A BITCH” and “YOU COULDN’T POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND YOU STUPID MALE” bullshit shoved up my ass.

      However. Rumor isn’t fact. There have been any number of rumors spoken about me over the years, including that I was sleeping with my (female) secretary. Actually, we shopped together, and you can imagine how true that rumor was (not at all, for the slow).

      And once started, the rumors do tend to travel at light speed and morph as they go. There’s certainly a personality type that loves to add to this crap regardless of truth.

      For that reason, rumor may be interesting and it might be sufficient to exercise care (that one should be exercising anyway, but that’s beyond the point and not going to happen in an unrealistically-expectant America that pushes responsibility for safety onto everybody else). But it sure as fuck isn’t proof.

      Get back to me with proof. I’ll even accept a pretty good preponderance rather than requiring the Beyond a Reasonable Doubt standard. But, even where powerful or rich people are involved, don’t hand me rumor, innuendo, and breathless confession and expect me to accept it as guilt. It isn’t.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup.
        The diner my family goes to is gossip center.
        You believe the stuff there everyone is sleeping with everyone else etc.

  • Ross

    I keep thinking one thing about the attack in NYC today.

    The timing.

    SO convenient for Trump.

    The whole thing plays to him. ISIS! BROWN PEOPLE ARE BAD!

    I will be not be surprised to learn that Saipov expected to die. Die with his secrets.

    But now? Will he talk, and will we all learn that this was a set-up?

    Trump is evil. He is surrounded by evil people. He has been put in office by an evil dictator.

    What happened today would be not be past any of these people.

  • Leo
    • Treant

      I’m not in a charitable mood. No points for whining. Quit or realize you’re part of the problem, employees of Russia West.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I also do not pity them. They peddled lies, encouraged racism & bigotry, sold off this country to Russia, deranged millions of Americans and NOW they’re embarrassed? I actually have my opinion lowered by hearing that they claim they didn’t know they were working for the White Nationalist Enquirer TV. If aliens came and dragged them off to fulfill a few recipes from “How to Serve Man,” I’m not saving them. .

        Fuck them, THEY should be investigated and asked if they get paid in rubles.

        • Treant

          I’ve noticed that the right is very put out that the left–us, in other words–is deep into “you fucked it up, you eat the shit pie that results. Asshole” mode.

          Usually we extend the olive branch. This time we whittled it into a spear and are attempting to stab them through the heart. They’re throwing words like “tolerance” around while we simply shoot back, “Fuck that.”

          They should probably be very, very afraid.

          • djcoastermark

            Amen, I am sick of offering olive branches only to be beaten with them later. Enough !

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I think that they finally realized on a macro level what’s been going on on a micro level. The left no longer wants to have sex with them, tolerate their BS during holiday dinners, and generally get stuck bailing them out financially then getting insulted in return. They try to use our buzz words to shame us but they don’t even KNOW what they mean so it mostly fails to work.

            I found the perfect advice letter that exemplifies this kind of shitty behavior. This woman spent a week of her vacation to help her boyfriend’s sister fix up her house for free and it turns out the boyfriend’s sister bitched & whined about her taking a bath at the end of the day each day behind her back.

            http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2017/10/dear_prudence_my_boyfriend_s_sister_accidentally_added_me_to_a_group_chat.html

            As Prudence said, “This should go without saying, but I think you should also decide that
            your days of helping Clara remodel—or being anything other than icily
            and distantly polite to her—are over.”

          • Treant

            O. M. Fucking. G.

            I had a “friend” (actually, the first guy I dated in college) who eventually got around to getting partnered with his boyfriend around the year 2000.

            I was expected to help make table decorations, which involved sprouting and forcing flowers into bloom. Which I could do, although not with perfect success, of course.

            I was not invited to the wedding, nor the reception.

            I developed a really bad case of “fuck you.” So far, it’s lasted seventeen years; he does occasionally reach out, but…no thank you.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Damn, that was ice cold of them to expect you to do all that and not save you an invite. I’d be tossing letters in the shredder and deleting emails from that guy as well.

          • Treant

            He was a mutual friend with another friend of mine (who is still a friend of mine). When I broke it off, she did the same and was only waiting for me to do it. 🙂

    • SoCalGal20

      Your entire network is an embarrassment why are you whining about it now? Also, you could go get a different job.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I’m mean enough to wish them inability to get any other job in the industry. Also people should instantly roll their eyes and scramble away the second they realize where they work at.

    • Cuberly Deux

      I call this article a load of garbage. Then quit!

      What the hell is the ratio of Fox branded “news” vs talking head nationalist jingoism.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Lazycrockett

      That’s gonna sting. Adultery by a GOP president…….

      • Blake J Butler

        She most certainly did not land her job not for her lack of any qualifications other than modeling.

        • Lazycrockett

          She has excellent oral skills according to those in the know.

    • safari

      I think you mean “Mrs. Future Trump”

      • Blake J Butler

        He’ll upgrade when Melania’s looks fade, and then trade up for a newer model.

        • safari

          Rumor has it she had papers ready to go before he won the nomination.

      • coram nobis

        This would be #4?

      • Treant

        I think Melania is the last one, unless you count Dumpy’s cell mate.

    • fuzzybits

      Looks like a few got pieces of Blanche Devereaux’s bed spread.

      • Treant

        She saw it in Blanche’s window and just had to have it.

        Seriously, I think those more resemble the drapes in that house.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      She made the bad mistake of borrowing stuff from Huckabee-Sanders.

      • Yeah, but the difference is the outfits fit on her.

        • djcoastermark

          But please, look at the fabric before you put it on. Gawd that red thing coming out of her crotch looks like some kind of alien, um well.

    • Not many noted how this woman with no discernible public duties not only ended up on Donald’s staff, but also scored the office right next to the Oval, which normally is snagged by either the Chief of Staff or someone of relatively similar importance.

      Personally, given how she looks & dresses, and the way she stares at him with her crazy googly eyes—yes, crass of me to say this, but I figured from the start she was his current mistress. She’s his ‘type’, but only 29 and never been married.

      • Blake J Butler

        2017 Monica, it’s too obvious.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        And she’s the highest paid employee, IIRC.

    • greenmanTN

      Shine one of those CSI crime scene lights on her and I bet she looks like a Jackson Pollock painting.

      (And yes, I’m slut shaming Donnie’s easy piece.)

      • Snarkaholic

        Or a Manet* painting.
        (And yes, I’m slut shaming Donnie’s easy piece, too.)
        *Not to be confuse with Monet:
        Monet: Water lilies
        Manet: Tough, naked hookers

    • Cuberly Deux

      Bannon’s insider.

    • JCF

      Does Mueller have any (publicly) gay members of his team? Hopey might come trying to work her assets for a deal…

  • coram nobis

    Let us honour All Hallows Eve.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQXVHITd1N4

  • fuzzybits

    Sometimes you have to try to forget it all and get comfortable. https://i.imgur.com/sK7eeZu.gifv

    • greenmanTN

      To a cat everything and everyone is furniture.

      • fuzzybits

        Yep,kitty is thinking,”what a nice big pillow.”

        • Lazycrockett

          Huskie is thinking, “better start grooming hanger on.”

        • safari

          But they do love. In their own way.

          • greenmanTN

            I wouldn’t say they look forward to it but the baby kittens will let me pick them up now. I started doing it by picking them up by the scruff. That’s an amazing phenomenon BTW. They just immediately shut down and could do things like check their ears and eyes, pet them a bit. Then you put them down and they shake their heads like they’ve just come out of hypnosis.

          • safari

            I call it the cat reset switch. Kittens, I believe, do bond with humans if exposed early enough. My parents’ cat was adopted as a kitten from a shelter and had kennel cough or the equivalent. They sat up with him constantly for days. He’s a shadow to them now.

          • safari

            As for the neck pinch: it’ll shut them down and initiate a bonding experience. Watching adult cats carry kittens this way, I can see the appeal.

    • safari

      Tonight is strangely rough. Thanks.

      • greenmanTN

        Sorry you’re feeling… off?

        How about a scene from a relatively unknown mystery/comedy?

        https://youtu.be/Cq_Ojpl4TVY#t=01m03s

        • safari

          What, so seen, have I witnessed. And, why must it endear me?

          You sorcerer.

          • greenmanTN

            The Alphabet Murders starring Tony Randall as Hercule Poirot. It was intended to start a franchise similar to the Margaret Rutherford Miss Marple movies but… didn’t. There is a scene where Poirot and Hastings are hiding in the trunk of a car going down a very bumpy road and every time the camera cuts back to them they are in increasingly ridiculous positions. I laughed so hard I cried, rewound it 3 or 4 times and laughed some more. I was very high at the time so who knows if it really was that funny.

    • After this video I want a capybara. This one thinks he is a doggie. And they can be toilet trained but you cannot leave them alone in the house as pets because they can hurt themselves by eating through wires and stuff. https://youtu.be/SCwcJsBYL3o

      • Lizard

        I’ve loved capybaras since I saw this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOqKwCyA0QM&t=48s They have to be the chillest animals on earth.

        • Why does that rodent remind me of Eric Trump? I think its the teeth and ears. Hair cut also.

      • safari

        Three things. First the cute: capybaras have formed a colony or some in Florida. They’re off the general radar, don’t seem to be detrimental as an invasive species so far as I can tell, but are a thing. Two, they are the largest rodent and are pretty benign and herbivores. But three, they really like to poop in water. Like a pool.

        • Are you sure you are not talking about Notre Dame football fans getting ready for their team to be invited to the Miami Orange Bowl this year? I am thinking about the last point.

          • safari

            I see words. Nouns. Verbs to form an analogy. I defer to you.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Symbiotic, but pretty sure who calls the shots.

    • JCF

      So.Much.Awwwwwwwwwwww!!!! <3<3

  • Lazycrockett
  • fuzzybits

    Uggg,maybe snow showers in the morning!

    • Treant

      First frost is tonight (we’re falling under 35 now, so that’s pretty certain). It’s also the second-latest frost I’ve ever seen; the latest was the night of November first. It’s only 21 days late this year.

      • fuzzybits

        We’ve already had one freeze warning. It hit the remaining geraniums.

        • Treant

          My freakin’ Melampodium (deep tropical) and helitrope (tropical) are both still blossoming.

          Or were, as of an hour ago…

      • Lazycrockett

        Im replacing the cement birdbath bowl with a stainless steel this weekend and I have bout 20 more sunflower heads to cut and hopefully dry and not rot.

        • Treant

          https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/flowers/sunflower/harvesting-sunflowers.htm

          I’ve tried but…I hate depriving the birds of the fun of harvesting them.

          • Lazycrockett

            I leave the seeds in the head. Bird seem to enjoy the reward of pulling out the seeds. Though Im still trying to figure out why the chickadee’s just pull out the seed and drop em on the ground a couple dozen times before they get the “right” one.

          • fuzzybits

            I always enjoy seeing the Goldfinches go after the cone flower seeds.

      • safari

        I had to brush off my car this morning. Part of me died.

      • Ninja0980

        Same here.
        And two day from now it will be in the 60’s during the day.
        Sick of the yo yo weather

        • Treant

          Ditto here. Slightly rainy and almost seventy again.

          While it won’t be The Year Without A Winter…winter gets shorter every decade…

          • Ninja0980

            Yup…my friend who folks have run a ski resort have told their kids there is a good chance by the time they retire, there won’t be a business left for them to take over..

        • Talisman

          Highs in the mid-70s, lows in the lower 50’s for the next 5 days. Except tonight (mid-40’s)

      • boobert

        I picked my last green tomatoes and one eggplant , then pulled them up . The frost would have got them tonight.

      • zherazhera

        I shall miss the flower pics from you. Hopefully we will all still be here when spring comes.

    • I wish we had snow in Delray Beach Florida. We have this big fake 100 foot tree instead. It takes a month to put up. I am serious.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7020576a17ab9b0d438b7e62cd3bc325b52ab1a7ef29e7f1dc5f44f508dcd846.jpg

      • Treant

        I like that, actually.

        Our city does a living tree, one that has to be removed due to age or illness, most of the time. One year, my grandfather donated it.

        At least he remembered he had two grandsons…my first cousins. Me, he forgot about.

        What, me bitter? Actually, not particularly; my parents did a great job of shielding me from them.

      • fuzzybits

        Pretty,but I wouldn’t want to help put it up. We go to the zoo usually for the xmas lights and I don’t envy them either. There’s like three million lights.

  • Sam_Handwich

    u-becki-becki-stan-stan

  • HappyDance904

    To think of Drumpf as “Protector of the Free World…” we are fucked!!!

    • safari

      Rough but with love is a good way to go.

  • MikeBx2

    Dodgers win forcing a game 7. I hate it when it’s all over, so I’m happy for one more game. 🙂

  • “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.”
    — Friedrich Nietzsche

    https://twitter.com/CHawkSB52Champs/status/925565685601726464

  • safari

    Loving gay werewolf heart-warming story reposted for tonight:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ZtbOeKoV8

    • Treant

      I adore that.

      ETA: So in the time they’ve been dating he’s never once nipped him while…busy?

    • Talisman

      sweet.

    • DaddyRay

      Poor kitty

      • safari

        The cartoon aspect makes me more warm-hearted than upset.

    • Barry William Teske

      They are all beasts!
      Every one of them!

    • greenmanTN

      A fun, funny, violent, gory, perverse, literary (kind of) werewolf novel, really very good.

      https://youtu.be/YMHXqRYf9_g

      And a friend of the author’s has a band so there is even a soundtrack of sorts…

      https://youtu.be/ruRhISluVV0

  • Ninja0980

    Game 7, GO DODGERS!

    • safari

      I’m glad you are happy.

  • OT- If you are Trump this is what is giving you the shivers tonight. Let’s do the math. Let’s day the Democrats take the House in 2018 (which looks likely) and the Democrats at least hold their own in the Senate with 48 seats.
    Scenario — The House impeaches Trump. Remember, all it takes is a simply majority. And a Speaker Pelosi will bring an impeachment vote to the floor. Just about every Democrat, and some Republicans, can be pressured to vote for impeachment.
    Senate Trial (Remember you are paranoid Trump)
    48 Democrats vote. Say you get 46 to convict you, Manchin and Heitkamp holds out and vote to let you stay.
    21 of the 52 Republicans vote to convict you.

    67 Senators vote to remove you from office, making you the first President to be removed by Impeachment. All it takes are a minority of Republicans to vote to convict in the Senate.
    To read article https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-mueller-resign_us_59f885cde4b0aec1467adc91?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d9ca5509c39d1c9ea9be7fdab0a4fc3413fb40d57b0cc87756a57bb0850ede24.jpg

    • Treant

      As it stands, they won’t get 21 in the Senate from the Republicans. Things are going to have to get a lot worse very quickly for that to become true.

      If he tosses around a nuke…or gives the order but is rebuked by the military…that might do it. Might. Personally, I doubt it.

      But on the up side, a Democratic House means that his legislative agenda and budgets are dead in the water. We still have to deal with the judiciary, though.

      • The point is the Republican Senators will not let him fire Mueller or they will threaten to vote to impeach him — this is what he is thinking is my guess.

        • Lazycrockett

          At this moment the GOP is talking tough, but I think if Drumpf fires Mueller nothing will happen. Ryan and McConnell have shown no spine in any of this. The Oligarchs want their tax cuts, this country doesn’t matter them or the GOP.

          • Depressing. Let’s see if he will do it. My guess is he will fire Mueller it has to be before the end of the year — the longer he waits the harder it will be. ????

          • Treant

            The first set of dominoes is already falling into line. And frankly, it’s not looking good already.

            It’s already too late, and I’m sure Mueller has let the White House know that multiple copies exist and might accidentally end up at the New York Times office if anything odd should happen.

          • I just noticed this article today in Washington Post about this –
            Trump’s attorney was asked if about this today. He basically said “no, he cannot be fired unless there is cause to do so”.
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/31/will-trump-fire-mueller-his-lawyer-just-made-some-very-important-comments-about-it/?utm_term=.e0bab12c2b93 https://youtu.be/U61tWk0ffBw

          • Treant

            While I still expect a Saturday Night Massacre, I also expect the feces to impact the rotating blades shortly thereafter. Congress won’t do anything, but I guarantee Mueller starts leaking like a sieve. And some of that leaking is Congress’ dirty little secrets.

          • -M-

            I’m hoping a bunch of state attorneys general are being kept in the loop too.

          • Reportedly, the charges are designed so the Manhattan DA can step in and take over — and Trump cannot dismiss those charges. Also Kushner is in trouble with the Brooklyn (Kings County) DA from what I have read- on state and not federal charges for real estate related issues.

          • -M-

            Yes. I’m hoping they have a way of sharing evidence or leads so that the states have all that ready to start with if Mueller is shut down.

        • Honestly, I believe Mueller has at least one indictment file open but ready to go at all times. And if summarily fired, copies go immediately to the DoJ and the House and Senate Judiciary committees, along with a “state of the investigation” report.

          And the name on that file is Donald John Trump. In it, everything uncovered so far with respect to money laundering, conspiracy, and most of all repeated acts of obstruction and attempted witness tampering.

          And another file with anything non-NatSec related but relevant to New York State ready to go to AG Schneiderman.

          Bobby Three Sticks is too smart to leave this thing at the whim of Donald waking up cranky one day.

    • Talisman

      At best we can hope for resignation.

      • Oh there is no way they will let a trial to to the Senate. The Republican powers that be will tell him that they are not going to be massacred in the 2020 elections, when far more Republicans are up than Democrats.

      • Lazycrockett

        The best we can hope for is him dying.

        • You crack me up as usual 🙂

          • Lazycrockett

            It resets everything. Pence may not be the best next option, but hes just your typical racist republican.

          • And I might actually get a halfway decent night’s sleep.

    • Barry William Teske

      Is it me or do politics these days have a very close resemblance to casino’s?
      I didn’t think democracy was craps when I first experienced it but now…

  • safari

    Would it be terribly wrong if I put up my Christmas tree tomorrow?

    I mean, I might move. Sometime. Before or after my contract runs out at the end of the year.

    • Treant

      If the stores have them up tomorrow, I see no reason why you can’t do it as well.

      We’re just going to throw lights on the hibiscus this year.

      • Lizard

        “We’re just going to throw lights on the hibiscus this year.”

        That sounds like my kind of decoration.

        • Treant

          I used to do four trees. Nobody ever comes over to see them, so I now toss a few strings on the hibiscus, set up a 2′ tree in the dining room, and set around a few decorations.

      • safari

        The stores have them up now.

        If I go to Frankenmuth, MI, it’s all year, creepily, and tradition to visit.

      • fuzzybits

        We had to go to Lowe’s last week and they had all the trees and decorations out.

    • You should put it up if it makes you happy! It is never too early! Just listen to Auntie Mame! https://youtu.be/St7mQWwmo70

      • safari

        I’m ready to dance to this. Heaven help me.

    • fuzzybits
  • JCF

    There is no geographic definition of “the Middle East” which includes Uzbekistan. *

    * Or, if you’re Herman Cain, “Uzbekibekistanstan.”

    • safari

      But. Obama.

      • Max_1

        No, no, no…
        Trump will spin it into a State Department issue and blame Hillary.

    • And as everyone’s noted, Uzbekistan never was and still isn’t on any of Donald’s Muslim country ban lists.

  • Cuberly Deux

    If you’re intrigued by Notre Dame, hang in there, it starts Disney but it imparts some very interesting history. Yay Linday Ellis!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIIWy3TZ1eI

  • ultragreen

    Back to the Russia/Trump investigation. According to this source, Mueller has dozens of seal indictments and the Republican party may be charged under RICO and forced to disband itself (it is a private organization). This source is not necessarily reliable, but the ways things are going down, there may be considerably more trouble brewing for the Trump administration and the Republican party in the not so distance future.

    https://patribotics.blog/2017/10/29/exclusive-mueller-has-dozens-of-sealed-indictments-including-on-donald-trump/

    • safari

      Now, now. Sealed indictments issued in sequential order could mean anything. Like very random chance.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: It’s cute but strikes me as kind of a bad idea.

    https://youtu.be/BqGUEHwooAc?t=1m26s

  • Kind of grim and dark…but on the other hand, it does not seem morally wrong when someone who’s been enslaved kills her masters.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/925461283432001536

    Police claim Asiya Bibi laced her husband’s milk last week, and that after he didn’t drink it, the spiked liquid was used to make lassi, a yogurt drink, which she served to him and his extended family, the BBC reported.

    Along with the 13 dead from last Thursday’s poisoning, 14 more were hospitalized, police said.

    Bibi, who lives in the southwest city of Muzaffargarh, was forced to marry in September and tried to flee her home and go back to her parents, only to be sent back to her husband.

  • safari

    O/T: It’s approaching 1AM. It’s time to switch to the local police scanner and see where undergraduates passed out this year.

    • ultragreen

      1:00 AM, I assume.

      • safari

        Yes. Corrected.

        • ultragreen

          Can’t keep track of time… getting drunk, huh?

    • ultragreen

      Surely there are worse crimes where you live to keep the police busy.

      • safari

        Tragic crimes. But Halloween entails undergraduates passing out in driveways, back patios, and wandering into stranger’s houses. It’s more a … happenstance … than the usual car-hit-utility-poll-drivers-ran-dispatch-k9 type days.

    • Treant

      “We have a report of a young frat guy passed out with his head in George Washington’s lap…”

      Hey, Martha never wanted to.

  • ByronK
  • Max_1

    Heritage, they say… This is why it is important to name parks and schools for those who’ve waged war AGAINST America. Heritage. So, let’s check that ‘heritage’ out:

    Which schools in America are named after SS top brass?
    Which parks are named after Nikita Khrushchev? Stalin? Lenin?
    How about Hirohito High? Because this is part of America’s “heritage”…

    Oh, we know why… None of these other people/nations were slave holders.

    • Max_1

      Oh, to press the subject to the absurd…
      I once scrapped my knee (scar to prove it).
      But I don’t hang onto the bloody bandage as a fucking trophy.

      edit: It appears John Kelly likes to hang onto bloody bandages…

    • ‘The Myth of the Lost Cause’.

      A deliberate and intentional movement during the late 1800s and early 1900s to reframe the Civil War as not being about a bunch of states looking to secede because they wanted to continue the barbaric practice of owning human being. And that it had nothing to do with Lincoln’s election, which the southern states saw as a clear sign they would not be allowed to spread slavery further to the west nor acquire new slaves. No, they started on about…’fake news’ to use a term I detest. States’ rights, they said, and some of the loonier claimed somehow tariffs were involved.

      Every single Confederate state which went into rebellion cited slavery as THE reason they were leaving the Union. Every one. No exceptions.

      But like I said, after the collapse of Reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow and the Klan, they tried to pretend every true thing about the Civil War wasn’t true. Unfortunately, it stuck.

      • Oh, and part of the reason we’re here now, with Klansmen and Nazis openly marching again?

        LBJ: Deliberately steers Dems away from generations of racism as official policy, passes civil rights legislation, so the ‘Dixiecrats’ bailed on the party.

        Nixon: “Southern Strategy” = Begins courting said Dixiecrats with sympathetic racial policies like resisting busing and integration, siding with “private” clubs which kept on the segregation.

        Reagan: “States rights” and blatant dog-whistles like the “Cadillac-driving welfare queen” which was supposed to mean single black women having babies just to get more money in their monthly checks.

        At that point, the vast majority of racists knew they were welcome in the Republican party. And now they’re doing their best to resurrect Klan-era phony history, claiming the Civil War was about ‘heritage’ and ‘noble warriors’—when in reality it was about rich plantation owners wanting to continue slavery and being able to compel poor Southern men into fighting to keep it.

        • Max_1

          … Or taking a knee (21st Century update).

        • I should add: Every southerner Confederacy-supporter recognized ‘States Rights’. Because that WAS the exact phrase used by the rebellious Confederate states to justify their leaving.

      • Max_1

        It’s now coming from the White (supremacist’s) House…

        IMO, John Kelly further sullied his already tarnished reputation and rank by coming to the beck and call for the white supremacist that is currently sitting in the Oval Office if only by having committed treason to get himself there. If one person told Trump about ANY Russian connections prior to the opening of the investigation, just one…

        Maybe Kelly can tell us when, in the future, it would be more appropriate to consider such renaming opportunities for some of our other adversaries… Oh, silly me, the Trump Presidential lie-brary will feature focus on Putin/Russian and Ukrainian installations.

        • Yeah… his open support for the Confederacy is what destroyed the last shred of, well, denial really that I had that Kelly wasn’t directly responsible for turning DHS, ICE, and CBP into a new American gestapo. And that it was no accident or mistake of policy that ICE went in and arrested a 10yo girl with the mental development of a 5yo and cerebral palsy right after she’d had emergency gall bladder surgery. A girl too young to be eligible for DACA but who’d been in America since she was 3 frickin’ months old. A girl who HAD relatives who were both U.S. citizens and legal residents (just not her parents).

          It takes a monster to make that okay. And when he was head of DHS, that’s what Kelly did to that department and to ICE and CBP which report to it. He told them to behave like monsters.

  • Cuberly Deux
    • greenmanTN
      • medaka

        Love the dancing squab Eraserhead shoutout.

      • Del Sam

        um… yeah. Just yeah. Need more coffee to process what looked like singing sphincters……

  • fuzzybits

    Posted this before,but hey it’s sweet. https://youtu.be/bktozJWbLQg

    • gaycuckhubby

      ❤❤❤

    • Max_1

      OMG fuzzybits… your avatar is c.u.t.e.!

      • fuzzybits

        Was for a second. Thanks. 🙂

  • Max_1

    We were warned… a Year ago. To paraphrase Trump:
    “If you vote for her, you’ll have a President under Federal investigation.”

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/925549974900953090

  • G’nite Peeps. See you tomorrow. Thanks as ever for helping keep me marginally sane during these rough times.

  • JCF

    OT (and spoilers of AHS:Cult)

    I think Ryan Murphy is out to prove Just. How. Many. Gays. he can kill this year.

    #BuryYourGays

    But when they’re female? Killing each other? You’re in a world of pain now, buddy.

    #LesbiansNEVERForget

  • Lumpy Gaga

    OT: So, coming home from a concert tonight (U.S. Girls, playing Comet Ping Pong in DC Wednesday night 11/1. Go if you can.) I was swayed by a fake pity-story from a young homeless drug addict on the street. I knew I was being played, but we are in our first real nighttime coldsnap, and thanks to my wonderful landlord, I’m familiar with just wanting to sleep but not being able to get warm no matter what I do. I neither knew nor cared what he was really trying to do, but I figured $20 would help him get to his happiness, be it shelter or junk or even a warm busride.

    Anyway, long story short, he ended up being pretty pushy and demanding, wanting, at various points before I walked away:

    * the $6 I was willing to spend to put him on a PATCO train back to NJ (it turned out to be less)
    * the full $36 for the alleged NJT bus to his Mom’s house AFTER he’d get off the train
    * me to join hm on this journey to Camden, NJ to (inexplicably) make the case to “the cops” that he could board a vehicle for which he had the fare.
    * to know “what he was supposed to do” with only $20 (such restraint to not say “Wipe your ass with it for all I care”), and finally….
    * to know (as I was walking away) what he had done wrong.

    I mean, wut? You want a fucking user feedback survery? It was the last one that got me.

    • AJ Drew

      Why does that incident bother you so much? I’m not trying to be snarky nor condescending here; maybe I have just encountered too many similar folks who seem angrier about getting a donation but are actually more angry about having to beg/con for it. (And to be clear, that guy really might have just been a jerk, but…?)

      • Treant

        If it were me? The lack of any level of gratitude or so much as a simple insincere “thank you” would have done it for me.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        It was the user-feedback thing.

        I can’t be honest about them at work; I won’t use them as a corporate weapon against low-level schmucks trying to make a buck, and that goes double for some guy whose shift on the street was about to go long. In our brief time together, I had an earful ready to go about how he could improve his game, but I just said I was out of time and really had to go.

    • blackstar

      is that you Kevin ?

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Wut?

  • TallBearNC

    Trumps team gets busted and suddenly there’s an attack. Seems fishy ….

  • blackstar
    • JT

      Traitor Drumpf worrying about being correct in any way is simply ridiculous.

    • JCF

      “Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!”

      So in other words, if you’ve ever been SMEARED as “politically correct” (basically, someone concerned to ensure civil rights—even for groups {gasp!} not your own)…

      …then YOU are a terrorist!

      I’ve got ONE word in response to that, Drumpf: MUELLER.

  • Ernest Endevor

    We defeated ISIS? Do they know?

    • AJ Drew

      and yet they are still a threat, go figure.

    • M Jackson

      Must be something else Obama did.

  • leastyebejudged

    he looks amish

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Does this mean that progressives support adding Uzbekistan to the list?

    Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
    Be careful what you complain about, people might listen.

    Just sayin’.

    • AJ Drew

      If only for optics, remove Chad from the no-fly, no-entry list, add Ubecka-becka-stany, and let’s go from there, maybe.

      Thank you.

      • LesbianTippingHabits


        Yes, I understand Chad was, at minimum, added to the list without due consideration.

  • dcurlee

    Since when has isis been defeated. Man this man is stupid beyond words

  • gaycuckhubby
    • AJ Drew

      the “me too” phenomenon is awful… add-ons looking for profit or profile, or people emboldened enough to finally speak up? Uff.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Probably a bit of both

      • JCF

        It’s awful that it’s *necessary*.

        • AJ Drew

          agreed.

        • AJ Drew

          it is beyond awful that it truly should not be necessary.

    • BobSF_94117

      The alleged “sexual assaults” involved is groping at a bar, while drunk, with the intent to take home. It’s unclear if the second case occurred at a gay bar.

      They better start building a lot more prisons…

      • gaycuckhubby

        Yeah. I’m a little uncomfortable with it.

        But, it’s something straight men had to learn about decades ago. Maybe its time us gay men learn boundaries too

        • BobSF_94117

          No touching absent a written notification of intent?

          Sigh.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Straight men have to live with this rule every day. Ask any of your straight friends what would happen if they walked up to a stranger in the bar and touched her vagina

          • BobSF_94117

            Are you serious? Do you think heterosexuals have given up groping? Besides, from what I understand, they usually go for the boobs.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I know that most of my straight friends know that if they walk up to a woman in a bar and without asking grabbed her crotch that they have a good possibility of facing a felony assault charge

          • Ernest Endevor

            Or become president.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Lol. True!
            Although most pussy grabbers have a different experience with law enforcement than our president

          • They fucking should. give up groping. God I feel gross whenever it happens, disgusting creepy shit-for-brains…

          • gaycuckhubby

            Agreed. All of us should

          • whollyfool

            It’s not about sex when it’s assault, it’s about power. That’s the difference I think. This was about abuse of power and the way it was shown was by groping.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I don’t disagree

      • Karl Dubhe

        I still remember the first time someone grabbed me in a gay bar…

        I thought it was an assault, I didn’t like it and can’t understand why anyone would think that’s a way of enticing someone to go home with you.

        I should have belted the fool who shoved his hands down my pants, but I was too shocked to think of doing that.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Same here. I was 21. He was 50s. Just walked up and grabbed my cock through my pants. First time in a gay bar. I froze.
          Eventually went up and said something to the bartender who said “oh thats just Jerry. Ignore him”

          • Karl Dubhe

            19, the other guy was in his 20s. Didn’t matter how good looking he was, he never got into my pants again. 🙁

            Your story makes me appreciate Conrad more. 🙂 He used to own Boots&Saddles up here, never groped me but he did have this habit of saying “bawk bawk bawk” at the younger men.

        • BobSF_94117

          I feel much the same way, but I still don’t think it should be confused with sexual assault, and certainly not lumped in with “me too” about rape and sexual abuse.

          Not everything obnoxious need be pathologized and criminalized.

          • Karl Dubhe

            No, don’t get me wrong. I didn’t see it as a crime, I saw it as something that was worth a slap in the face. And regretted not slapping. 🙂

            Although, at the extreme – slapping people is also assault. Not something most courts would listen to either.

    • Leo

      So I’m guessing Heather Unruh’s family member/friend hasn’t come forward yet.

      • gaycuckhubby

        No. Not yet

    • Ernest Endevor

      This has now crossed over into witch-hunt territory. I thought the point of being gay was that we didn’t live according to the sexual mores of te straight world. What else do guys go in a bar for? In a world of White and Black Parties what the fuck is he now being condemned for? He’s a reckless drunk who should know better? At work is different and all this has been known an open secret at the Old Vic. And has been condemned. Action should have been taken at the time. And if guys got hit on then they should have done something then. There are those who did. Spacey may be a famous asshole, and many people may hate him for it, but he is not Weinstein and this is not like that. Though no libertine, I’m disgusted by this embrace of puritanism by those among us who should know better.

      PS. I’m now beginning to think that Rapp was in love with him back in ’86. I can’t think of anything else that explains his behavior.

      • gaycuckhubby

        It’s not a Witch Hunt against gay men. Straight men that have to follow these rules for a long time

      • gaycuckhubby

        So you can “just grab em by the cock”?

  • Leo

    Trump’s on a tweetstorm wanting to end the Diversity Visa Lottery Program earlier this morning. One problem:
    https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/925688318230171648

    • Joe in PA

      And got that info…yup, you guessed it…Fox and Friends. 🙁

  • M Jackson

    Thank you President Obama’s for your tireless effort of 8 years leading to the defeat of ISIS. The moron who succeeded you has acknowledged your achievement.
    While at the same time seeing on his watch the worst attack by ISIS in this country.