John Kelly Attributes Civil War To “Lack Of Compromise” – Says He’ll Never Apologize To Dem Rep [VIDEO]

Politico reports:

White House chief of staff John Kelly defended his criticism of Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.) on Monday night by continuing to insist she was insensitive and self-congratulatory during a ceremony to dedicate an FBI building in Florida.

“Well, I’ll go back and talk about … her comments and at the reception afterwards,” Kelly told Fox News host Laura Ingraham. “Well, I’ll apologize if I need to. But for something like that, absolutely not. I stand by my comments.”

When the Sun-Sentinel published video of the event that refuted Kelly’s recollection, the White House defended the retired four-star Marine general by saying someone of his rank and stature should not be criticized. Monday’s comments are the latest in an ongoing tit-for-tat between President Donald Trump, Kelly, other White House officials and Wilson.

CNN reports:

White House chief of staff John Kelly spoke to the “good” and “not so good” parts of US history on Monday, speaking highly of Confederate general Robert E. Lee and attributing the origin of the American Civil War to a “lack of an ability to compromise.”

Kelly described history as “evolving,” and said it is “dangerous” to not be cognizant of it, when asked about the removal of historical but controversial statues commemorating Confederate figures during an interview on Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle.”

“There will be, 100 or 200 years from now, people that criticize us for what we do, and I guess they’ll tear down, you know, statues of people that we revere today,” Kelly told Laura Ingraham. “It’s dangerous, I think. … It’s just very, very dangerous and it shows you what, how much of a lack of appreciation of history and what history is.”

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    • Nowhereman

      I”m surprised that Trump hasn’t started making up his own medals for his favorite generals ala Kim Jong-Un.

  • KBlackie

    All the hope I had pinned on him being the adult in the room has been completely dashed. Bring back Rience! That dufus was entertaining with all his bumbling and leaking.

  • ZRAinSWVA

    I had little respect for Kelly before, now there’s only contempt. He is unworthy of his rank and uniform.

    • Todd20036

      In other words, he’s perfect for this regime.

    • Gerry Fisher

      Being a progressive living in Boston for 30 years, I and many others were always embarrassed and frustrated at the racism in and around the city. The busing crisis and the Charles Stuart case (having his pregnant wife murdered and blaming it on “some black guys”) were flash points. People who care about Boston have felt very good about the city’s clear progress in recent decades. However, when I read Kelly’s comments here, it reminds me of why Boston earned its racist reputation and how hard it was to overcome it. I know Brighton (and its cousins, South Boston, or “Southie,” and Charlestown). He’s a child of ’50s and ’60s white Boston neighborhoods. I recognize him.

      • Librarykid

        There is nothing preventing him from learning the truth and improving himself except his unwillingness to do so.

        • Steverino

          That describes political conservatives in a nutshell.

          • Nowhereman

            That is what they are conserving, I guess. Hate, ignorance and religious bigotry.

          • Steverino

            That’s what I figure. They certainly are not conservative when it comes to conservation and environmental protection.

      • Hank

        Perhaps you can explain something. Lawrence O’Donnell seemed to suggestion, that the term “empty barrel” was a racial epithet from Bostonians of the era. (I interpret the term to be similar to using the “N” word.) Can you clarify, what the term Kelly used means??

        • ChrisMorley

          Frederica Wilson calls John Kelly’s ‘barrel’ jibe racist remark
          http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2017/10/frederica_wilson_calls_john_kelly_s_barrel_jibe_racist_remark

          ‘In an interview with CNN yesterday, Wilson demanded Kelly stop lying about her and pushed back on his ridiculing her as an example of “empty barrels making the most noise.”
          “I think that’s a racist term,” Wilson told CNN, without citation. “I’m thinking about that when we looked it up in the dictionary because I had never heard of an empty barrel. And I don’t like to be dragged into something like that.”
          Wilson did not elaborate on the racist implications of the “empty barrel” phrase, which is widely credited to Plato.

          “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.” ― Plato

          It is insulting, when said to a woman who is also hispanic, by a white male. It tells her to shut up, as her views are worthless.
          Other liberal critics also brought up race, attacking Kelly’s
          hometown neighborhood of Oak Square in Brighton as a bastion of segregation “by custom and practice” in the 1950s. “It was a neighborhood in which calling someone who looked like Frederica Wilson an empty barrel was the kindest thing that would have been said about her,” said MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell, who grew up in Dorchester, on his show Thursday night.’

          http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2017/10/frederica_wilson_calls_john_kelly_s_barrel_jibe_racist_remark

          • Bad Tom

            I’ve lived in Oak Square since 1982.

        • Bad Tom

          Somehow I thought it was a military expression of some sort.

      • JCF

        That’s what Lawrence O’Donnell (from the same area) said re Kelly last week. If you’re not actively FIGHTING that racism in your upbringing, you’re part of it [That’s true for more than just Boston Irish, BTW.]

  • Tawreos

    YOU DO NOT COMPROMISE WHEN IT COMES TO OWNING OTHER PEOPLE! This is really not a topic that has a gray area!

    • Todd20036

      Right. You own them outright and keep the bill of sale. Period.

      Wait, I’m going in the wrong direction here, aren’t I?

      • Tawreos

        Don’t read from the White House talking points =)

      • ben-andy

        Which is exactly the reason SC seceded from the Union first, before anything else had happened and then fired on Fort Sumpter. They knew they’d have to compromise and were being proactive. Lincoln did not start the war. He didn’t have a chance to do anything. Lincoln’s 1st inauguration – March 4, 1861 – is fully 3.5 MONTHS after SC vote to secede – December 20, 1860

    • j.martindale

      It is like a defendant’s attorney saying to a District Attorney prosecuting a pedophile, “What do you say we split the difference? My client promises to only diddle little kids on the weekends if you let him off.”

      • Todd20036

        Milo would be ok with that.

      • lymis

        More of “My client agrees not to diddle any little kids who actually matter.”

    • Stev84

      There were many compromises about slavery actually. And Lincoln was fine with letting them be. He thought slavery would die on its own given enough time. But nothing was enough for the South.

      • Librarykid

        Like the Missouri Compromise.

    • kaydenpat

      If you’re a White Supremacist, you side with slave owners and call them good people. It’s really that simple.

    • Compromise would have been much less expensive than the war. What would it have meant?

      Abolition.

      BUT with the slaveholders being compensated by the federal government for their loss of “property.”

      AND with the *slaves* being compensated (again by the federal government – perhaps with the whole “grant of 40 acres and a mule” thing which could have been tied in with the land grants made to the railroads – for that matter, if the land was in the West, perhaps 160 acres and some cattle in addition to the mule might have worked).

      That kind of compromise would have been less expensive than the War of the Rebellion. The south would have given up slavery, and the government would have compensated both the slaveholders and the slaves.

      • Charles Nelson

        Actually…Lincoln, at first, wanted to ship freed slaves back to Africa.

        • Marcus Garvey also spearheaded a “Black Zion” or “Return to Africa” movement. And not enough folks realize that Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the areas that at the time were still controlled by the Confederacy.

    • CJAS

      But the bible says it’s okay to own people. And then there are the “other persons” in the Constitution.

    • Chris Baker

      All of these arguments, but it boils down to slavery.

      — Lack of compromise [on slavery].
      — States’ rights [to own slaves.

      • Nowhereman

        That’s right. They say heritage not hate–we say heritage OF hate.

  • safari

    It proves that only bigots, assholes, and the stupid will work with Donald’s administration clownshow.

  • Todd20036

    I cannot say I ever had much hope for Kelly, or for anyone willing to work for Twitler. My guess is that the people who were trying to “reign Trump in” were really trying to “protect their cushy jobs”.

  • Rex

    Kelly is in the White House to reinforce Trump’s racism.

  • Gerry Fisher

    “Awwww, I didn’t need that reputation anyway. Let me just toss it into the trash bin.”

    • Lizard

      “the trash bin” –aka the Trump White House, where reputations go to die.

      • Gerry Fisher

        I suppose we should say that it’s been amazing that he’d been able to hold onto such a good reputation for as long as he did, given the company he keeps.

  • Michael R

    Sounds like John Kelly imagines a perfect world where
    we still have slaves and maybe there are no Jews .
    Compromise .

    • zherazhera

      Funny isn’t, how compromise and staying neutral always helps the bad guys.

      • olandp

        “Staying neutral” means don’t do anything to stop me from oppressing others.

  • Rex

    Tearing down confederate statues is not trying to re-write history, it’s ending the glorification of racists.

    • BobSF_94117

      It’s tearing down the revisionist, racist view of history thrown up in the early to mid 20th Century.

      • Lizard

        A revisionist, racist view of history that was originally concocted by white supremacists to intimidate people of color during Jim Crow and the civil rights movement.

      • JCF

        Some may go back to the LATE 19th century, but your point remains.

        “thrown up”: I see what you did there!

    • Chris Baker

      and many of the statues are not being destroyed, they are [possibly] being moved to other locations of museums. They are not being erased, they are being removed from their place of presitge.

  • Gigi

    If this is one of the guys who’s supposed to keep Trump in line, we’re in a lot of trouble.

  • Rex

    Rest assured that 100-200 years from now there will be no statues of Trump or Kelly.

    • Lizard

      Someone pointed out to me that there will be paintings of Trump in airports like other presidents, but I like to think an angry mob will pull them down long before I get there.

      • Bambino

        It will be funny if they name a library after the fucking moron.

      • Halou
        • Lizard

          I genuinely can’t tell if this is serious or not. I mean, the description is puke-worthy, but look at the mock-up….

          • Ernest Endevor

            Joke, I think.

          • Lizard

            Most of the comments seem to think so, that’s for sure.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Plus, it’s a non-canonical portrait.

    • olandp

      Unless something is done, there will be no USA in 100-200 years, probably not even in 10 years.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    People who ignore history are doomed to revise it.

  • Bambino

    We have Theodore Roosevelt to thank for calling it the White House. The racists assholes are living up to the name of the Executive Mansion.

  • Lizard

    Robert E. Lee was an intelligent person who was accomplished in battle at the time and thought of very highly by the Union. None of that changes the fact that he was a traitor who “refused to compromise” on whether black people were, in fact, people.

    Fuck Kelly and the high horse he rode in on. Racist git.

    • BobSF_94117

      And Rommel was a master on the battlefield. He is respected for it, but you don’t find lots of Rommel statues, well, anywhere that I know of.

    • Stev84

      He was also a slave owner who treated his slaves badly even by the standards of the time. For example he made it a point to break up families. And to torture runaways harshly. He didn’t change after the war and continued to be a racist.

    • JCF

      He inherited enslaved human beings (via his wife), and didn’t IMMEDIATELY free them. Case closed, period.

  • ChrisInKansas

    That moment is coming very very quickly where anyone still left in the Trump administration will forever be lumped with traitors, liars and thieves. Anyone left with an ounce of decency needs to leave NOW.

    • Joe in PA

      Yeah, I’m thinking it is already too late.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    John Kelly is a WHITE SUPREMACIST

    This isn’t news

    • Todd20036

      The sheriff who is the black, white supremacist (forgot his name), now THAT was news.

  • Do Something Nice

    I guess he loved the “three-fifths compromise.”

    What an asshole sociopath. And he is the one tasked with keeping Trump in line.

  • zherazhera

    Kelly being more directly racist than Donnie. I don’t think many would’ve guessed that!

    • Tawreos

      How else would he block Donny’s temper tantrums and stay employed?

    • Todd20036

      There are tapes of Trump ranting against blacks in the most obnoxious way possible. Kelly is NOT more racist than Twitler, but only because Don is quite loathsome in that regard,

    • Gustav2

      Raised in Boston before deseg of schools. Without the regs of the military, he reverts back to his beginnings.

  • What

    Lack of compromise is surely the root of all evil but I WILL NOT COMPROMISE about my lying about Ms. Frederica. Compromising is for the little people.

  • Gustav2

    Idiot, Lincoln WAS the compromise candidate. He campaigned on no expansion of slavery into new states, but not ending it in the South as the Abolitionists wanted.

    The South did not accept the compromise.

    • agcons

      Careful, he’ll read what you wrote and spin his crap that way.

      • Gustav2

        Lincoln was no angel. His aversion to slavery was an anti-elite position. His father had a terrible time competing with the free labor the rich folks had in Kentucky.

        • Todd20036

          By today’s standards, no, he was not.
          But back then, he was a “libtard”

    • Lizard

      Expecting Trumpanzees to understand history…lol.

      • Gustav2

        I know, silly me.

    • Stev84

      See also “Compromise of 1850” (leading to the Fugitive Slave Act), “Missouri Compromise” and “3/5th Compromise”. They bent over backwards for the South.

    • Taylor Bixler

      There was nearly 100 years of attempts at compromise (i.e., let southern whites own human being) before the civil war broke out. And the sad reality is that at at time, the Constitution protected slavery in the states where it already existed.

  • BearEyes

    squishy “truthiness”
    yuck!

  • Jefe5084

    What an ignorant fuck. Just what the hell is there to compromise on related to slavery and racism? People with blind allegiance to the likes of Trump and Kelly need to go fuck themselves. Ridiculous idiots.

    • lymis

      Indeed.

      “Let’s just agree to disagree about whether you’re actually a human being.”

      No.

  • Rocco

    Wow, he just willingly gave up what was left of his integrity, credibility, and dignity. Birds of a feather I guess…I really thought he was different.

    • Not criticizing you, because I understand what you are saying. But was there ever a chance that he was going to make a difference or are we just that desperate for something to to fix the horror show that we keep hoping that every new person in the administration can do what the folks they are replacing couldn’t. I do it too. I think of myself as cynical but sometimes in desperation you hope for a miracle, even if you don’t actually believe that miracles actually happen.

      • Rocco

        For me there was probably some of that. I can be cynical too, but I also have a lot of Gomer Pyle in me (not a pun). I still have a lot of respect for the military and decorated veterans. To see that General Kelly not only has clay feet, but that he is quite likely “cut from the same cloth” as Twitler was doubly disappointing.

  • olandp

    Conservatives do not compromise. Lincoln was a LIBERAL, the slave owning south was CONSERVATIVE. The conservative says, “We’ll compromise and do it my way.” When that policy fails, they just say it wasn’t conservative enough.

  • Joe in PA

    Good to see Trump is wearing off on you General. That didn’t take long.

    • Friday’s_cat

      Reverse Midas?

      • Gustav2

        Stockholm Syndrome, but remember Kelly grew up in a very segregated Boston.

    • Librarykid

      45 is not wearing off on Kelly; he saw something of himself in Kelly which is why he brought him aboard.

      • Taylor Bixler

        This. Over and over this.

    • CharlestonDave

      Trump has an uncanny ability to corrupt those around him.

  • kaydenpat

    This is a racist working in a White Supremacist administration. Not surprising at all.

  • Joe in PA

    Apologize if this has been posted, but I think this is one of Trae’s better ones.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=161&v=LCaNoThm9Lc

    • jerry

      My favorite: “Between King Greasy Cheese and fucking Frank Underwood, it’s a rough day to be a fake-ass president.”

      • Joe in PA

        I know! So many great lines. 🙂

    • greenmanTN

      Ahem. A Tennessean, I remind you! (C’mon, our reputation needs all the boosting it can get.)

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Ta-Nehisi Coates schools Kelly. Not that he’d listen to a black man

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/925289478943633408

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    There is NO COMPROMISE over something as fundamentally wrong, ugly and indecent as the abomination of slavery. Kelly is just as much a stinkin’ white supremacist as Bannon. That’s why Trump picked him.

  • BobSF_94117

    “There will be, 100 or 200 years from now, people that criticize us for what we do, and I guess they’ll tear down, you know, statues of people that we revere today,” Kelly told Laura Ingraham. “It’s dangerous, I think. … It’s just very, very dangerous and it shows you what, how much of a lack of appreciation of history and what history is.”

    What a very odd position. We should keep statues of everybody because some people we like today may fall out of favor and, what, we’d still want their statues up??? And that’s all “very, very dangerous”? Is he talking about all the Jar-Jar Binks statues we so adore?

  • Jason

    “Lack of compromise”? Sounds like he’s part of the “blame America first” crowd

  • LeeCMH

    I think people are removing the statues because they know history.

  • Belthazar

    We knew he lied, now we know that he is a liar. Further, Lincoln (letter to Congress in 1892) did try to compromise through a version of the Compensated Emancipation Act although it likely was not economically feasible as a whole.

  • GayOldLady

    My question to ex-General Kelly is, how do you feel about Adolf Hitler? Was he a man “of good faith” who “made their stand where their conscience had to make their stand,”.

    This is a total piece of shit man whose dogma parallels Donald Trump and is as dangerous to our Nations security as Donald Trump. Glad we see his true color.

    • BobSF_94117

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Kelly has more than a couple of Hitler statues.

      /s

      • GayOldLady

        And maybe even a nice little swastika armband that he wears around the office.

        • LeeCMH

          Maybe a little swastika tattoo on his butt.

      • djcoastermark

        ..that he keeps under his mattress…

  • LeeCMH

    The destruction of edifices, etc. has been a norm throughout history.

    • BobSF_94117

      And we’re all poorer for it. No reason to tear down the Appommatox courthouse. Heck, if there’s any appropriate spot for a statue of Lee, it’s there.

      • Friday’s_cat

        A monument to immortality?

        • Librarykid

          In this case, monuments to immorality, both on the part of the subjects and that of the erectors.

      • LeeCMH

        I wasn’t making a judgement call.

        I was merely saying that building of shrines and later generations or conquerors tearing them down has occurred throughout human history.

        • Ann Kah

          Our ancestors typically beheaded the statues of tyrants and broke off the noses. I think putting them all in some secluded museum would be more sensitive, and wouldn’t erase either artwork or history. BUT…it’ll get them off the streets and out of the view of decent citizens who really do not want their daily reminders of slavery and treason.

          • LeeCMH

            one nuance is that the Confederate statues all through the South in courthouses, capitals, and other government property were built during Jim Crow 20th century.

            Their purpose was to glorify the South and enforce Jim Crow.

            If anything these statues represent the South’s attempt to change the narrative about the Civil War.

            These statues are really more propaganda than depictions of history.

  • GayOldLady

    Yeah, the Civil War was all “lack of an ability to compromise.”
    https://answersafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/slavery-1024×544.jpg

    • LeeCMH

      I was wondering about that too.

      Perhaps if the South had abolished slavery in favor of indentured servitude — as they had in the North, there would not have been a civil war.

      Compromise?

      • Librarykid

        They went from slavery to share cropping. There’s your indentured servitude, even for white people.

    • Taylor Bixler

      Lee is reported to have argued after the war that it was not really about slavery, but if it was, that it was only out of Christian devotion that white southern folk fought to keep blacks enslaved

    • JCF
      • Librarykid

        Dear God, and we are going to bring God’s wrath down on this country?!?

  • DesertSun59

    Kelly’s time as a US Marine is now sullied beyond repair. His career was for NOTHING.

    Signed, a former US Marine.

    • Nowhereman

      I was just thinking along those lines. He needs to be dishonorably discharged for conduct unbecoming. I know he’s retired, but still.

  • Friday’s_cat

    The Civil War is the fault of all those people caught by slavers.

  • Stubenville

    What is this utter bullshit about “someone of his rank and stature should not be criticized”? Kelly is a LIAR and there’s videotape that proves it.

    • Ann Kah

      That’s one of the hallmarks of a free people, the right to criticize our leaders and their associates. It is fundamentally unamerican to declare the administration above criticism. They forget that they are all our employees, no matter where they fall in the hierarchy.

      • LeeCMH

        A bedrock tenant of the US government philosophy.

  • Bluto

    “We’ll leave the faggots & kikes alone if we can torture the trannies, beaners & darkies!”
    FUCK you & your compromises! Goddamn I’m tired of this deplorable bullshit.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a68508b7f16db2f80d6c85f84ec9e7210660a6cd27654edac4d248c288326a75.jpg

    • Lori

      You forgot to add “for now” between kikes and alone. Any reprieve granted to hated groups is purely temporary and every member of one of those groups needs to understand that.

      This has been entry #7874 in my ongoing series “I will never understand gay or Jewish Republicans.”

      • Librarykid

        You are so right! Hatred, one loosed, never stops until all of the “others” are eliminated.

        • Lori

          And there’s always more “others.” No group organized around hate is ever pure enough to be done with the purges.

      • licuado de platano

        I have a gay, Jewish, Republican brother. We never talk politics. I can’t even begin to process the cognitive dissonance.

        • Lori

          My sincerest sympathies.

          My family are nearly all RWNJs, which breaks my heart and makes me crazy in about equal measure, but they’re not gay or Jewish so I don’t have to deal with the cognitive dissonance on top of the horror.

      • Ann Kah

        Motto of the current GOP: “The constitution is the law of the land – for now”.

        • Lori

          “….but of course it means exactly what we say it means. No more and no less.”

  • lymis

    So much for “the adult in the room.”

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    The Gop just needs to just call itself the white nationalist swamp party. That’s really all it is.

  • Cuberly Deux

    “Hitler loved his dogs.”

    –John Kelly

  • Acronym Jim

    it shows you what, how much of a lack of appreciation of history and what history is.

    The Dunning Kruger is strong with this one…not to mention the complete lack of self-awareness.

  • I love how these racist bigots talk and talk and dig themselves deeper into the shit they spew while revealing their true selves.

    • People reveal a lot about the company they keep by the things they say. There are a few that I notice as “tells” like using Democrat as an adjective or always saying homosexual but never gay. This is far worse of course but it’s standard talking points among the far right. He doesn’t even know that it sounds bad because in his circles there’s no one who notices how awful that sounds (or if they do they are too afraid to say anything).

  • jm2

    After the Civil War, Robert E Lee himself said there should be no statues or memorials erected to the Confederacy! Another ‘old white man’ who lives in a revision of history…

    • TrollopeReader

      yep, and that the flags and uniforms should be furled and folded, and put away in the attic ….

      • LeeCMH

        And on Juneteenth, the tiki torch racist nazi’s can go to the attic and ceremoniously caress their treasures.

  • Keith D Plane

    Fuck you Mr. Kelly, just Fuck You!

  • TJay229
  • Bryan

    He’s channeled Steve King, or is that the baretta of damocles pointed upon his skull?

  • worstcultever

    What a first-rate intellect, thinker and communicator. Not to mention a true gentleman of empathy and sensitivity.

    Oops, I meant to say lizard-brain dumbass juvenile racist hack.

  • joe ho

    Kelly may be echoing Ken Burns’ PBS Civil War series that went viral in its day.

    There the chief historian Shelby Foote makes exactly the same observation, that the war was a failure to compromise. That the US was the only country that had to have a civil war to settle the question of slavery, thereby betraying its political genius–which was the ability to reach compromises.

    • TrollopeReader

      I think Mr Foote pined for the days of yore ….

  • joe ho

    Never forget that Kelly was a Trumpanzee through and through–even before he got hooked up with Trump.

    https://www.aclu.org/other/john-kelly-facts

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • TrollopeReader

    Mr. Kelly … there was the “Missouri Compromise” … the damn rebels who bombarded Fort Sumter didn’t seem to care about that one after 10 years or so ….

  • Renfield

    They really are that stupid. I mean, stoopid, like a new level of stoopidity.

  • Ninja0980

    A complete disgrace to the uniform he wore.

    • boatboy_srq

      #NotPatriotic

      • JCF

        Oh, he’s a patriot…to the Confederacy (and RUSSIA!)

        • boatboy_srq

          If he’s loyal to the Confederacy then he has no business working for the Union. But there are plenty of more contemporary reasons to demand his removal.

  • orion dumptee

    few years back,,coastal NC , I was waiting in line with my 80 yr old uncle at a public
    .cookout ;just outside of a large milt. base. From storms to strokes..they were blaming EVERYTHING,,”,well. its ..because NOW we have one of ‘THEM” in the WH “(sigh)

    • Ann Kah

      More years ago, I spent an eternity (well, a couple of months) in Alabama, in the days of the giant “impeach Earl Warren” billboards.

  • Taylor Bixler

    Lee’s elevation is central to a 150-year-old propaganda campaign designed to erase slavery as the cause of the war and whitewash the Confederate cause as a noble one in the face of “northern aggression”. Kelly is not standing between us and chaos, he is complicit in weaponizing chaos.

    • JCF

      Sounds like a good Copperhead, huh?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperhead_(politics)

      “When the draft began in the city, working-class European Americans, largely Irish, responded with violent riots from July 13 to 16, lynching, beating, and hacking to death more than 100 black New Yorkers and burning down black-owned businesses and institutions, including an orphanage for 233 black children.”

  • boatboy_srq

    Kelly’s statement actually says a lot more about the GOTea definition of “compromise” than it does about the particular object of his rant. For that party, “compromise” has become “we get everything we want, and you should be happy we let you ask for anything regardless of whether we granted your request (which we did not, but whatever).”

  • LeeCMH

    Frankly, my dear, I wish I didn’t give a damn.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_NSwfcywZg&ab_channel=lovlylina

  • When right-wingers say compromise what they mean is that we should give them everything they want and in exchange they’ll put a nice sounding title on the ugly bill. No, I don’t compromise on human rights issues. Not here, not anywhere. Slavery was immoral and had to end. It’s unfortunate that it took a war to do that, but if the south had been willing to compromise and free the slaves, there’d have been no need for a war. See how that works?

  • How to go from “Honorable general & resident grown-up-in-the-room” to racist dickwad in one interview…

    https://twitter.com/activist360/status/925349186232639488

  • The_Wretched

    I didn’t do my due diligence on Kelly and more or less accepted the narrative that he was the ‘daddy in the WH’. However, as we’re seeing more of him, it’s clear the media was pushing a false narrative. Again.

    Kelly is looking awfully racist.

  • GayOldLady

    Wendell Pierce‏Verified account @WendellPierce
    Wendell Pierce Retweeted POLITICO
    While they raped my Grandmother,lynched my Uncle,broke up my family to lost history, you find honor & compromise in that, you racist, prick?

  • Ann Kah

    What would a compromise look like in the case of the civil war? You’re allowed to keep just one or two slaves, little ones? Or would a state be allowed to maintain slavery within its own boundaries? That’s not compromise, Kelly, that’s capitulation…to the losers. In what alternative fact zone does that make any sense?

    • Daveed_WOW

      Right to the heart of the Right. They are still upset that “created equal” actually means people other than rich white men. Before the Civil War, the Constitution meant only land-owning (rich) white Christian men. Non-Christians, women, non-whites and many other minorities were routinely excluded from coverage by the Constitution. And it was at the state level where the problems were the worst. The Civil War ended Confederalism as it was intended by the plutocracy that created it to avoid Royal taxes. That’s why they are still fighting the Civil War. Us and Them. The chosen people of the Puritans.

    • Stev84

      The compromises of the time where that slavery was banned in newly acquired places or certain states, but allowed in the South. Or that some states could decide themselves. And there was indeed a capitulation after the civil war that cemented white supremacy there for over a century.

  • jimbo65

    Let this be proof positive that he and 45 are simpatico on race relations issues.

  • JWC

    i used to respect Kelly

  • Xuuths

    As a veteran, I’m sickened that this general bald-faced lied on national television, and refuses to do the honorable thing.

  • Mike

    Well what do you know, the very best the Republicans have to offer—the good guy, the smart guy, the Mother Superior of the White House—is every bit as big a dishonest and dishonorable scumbag as the very worst Republican, Trump. No one should be surprised.

  • Dagoril

    I think we can retire the old saw, “John Kelly is an honorable adult who will keep us from the brink” now.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Indeed. I was initially disappointed that he was took much of a yes-man as head of DHS, but this is just beyond the pale.

  • MirrorMan

    Right, Kelly. They should have compromised, you know, just let the slavers own 3/5ths of a person…

  • coram nobis

    Ta-Nehisi Coates finds a lot of compromises in rebuttal.

    https://www.salon.com/2017/10/31/john-kelly-calls-robert-e-lee-honorable-and-ta-nehisi-coates-schools-him/

    Coates drops a lot of knowledge in this Twitter essay, but the points most relevant to Kelly’s Civil War faux pas (aside from the ones already mentioned) are his references to the 1860 presidential election, the compromise of 1877 and the scholarship of David Blight. When Abraham Lincoln was the Republican presidential nominee in 1860, he ran on a platform that merely pledged to prevent slavery from expanding into the western territories, rather than one that would outright abolish it. After the Republicans and Democrats were engaged in an epic tussle over who won the 1876 presidential election, Democrats struck a deal with Republicans in 1877 in which they would refrain from contesting Rutherford Hayes’ election if the GOP effectively abandoned Reconstruction and left the freed slaves to the whims of the former slaveowners.

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  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Well, that definitely puts to rest any notion that Kelly was one of the adults in the daycare; clearly, he’s just another toddler, shitting his donnie diapers and drooling copiously while sitting in the corner.

  • Absolute video evidence for 300 million to see and this stooge still lies about it. I see no use at all for rethugs except to maybe…er…uhhhh….nope, no good use at all!

  • Nowhereman

    What a self-important asshole. Time for him to be drummed out with a dishonorable discharge for conduct unbecoming an officer. The truth is the truth. I’ve heard Rep. Wilson’s speech in its entirety. She is right, he is wrong. And what the hell would be a good compromise between slavery and equality? Just curious. Robert E Lee was a traitor and a cruel slave owner. His statues should be melted down and tossed into the nearest portal to hell. And he needs to take the fucking stars and bars with him.

  • JCF

    The best Tweet response I saw last night:

    https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/925203005368164352

  • Nowhereman

    The more I learn about John Kelly, the more I can’t stand him. Robert E Lee, too.

  • JCF

    Recall that Speaking Truth re slavery gets you fired…even at MSNBC!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypZ6kag2oU

  • Pluto Animus

    ‘The Ingraham Angle’?

    That’s kind of stilted-sounding.

    How about, ‘The Ingraham Toenail’?

  • Gianni

    A fine example of the trash heap that is the Trump White House. Didn’t someone describe him as one of the people protecting us from the Trump insanity? HUH?

  • Gianni

    One can truthfully admire Gen. Robert E. Lee as an outstanding general, tactician, and military leader. Those qualities are facts. However, he chose to lead troops in a treasonous war to attempt to dissolve the United States of America. That is also a fact.