REVEALED: Russian Election Content On Facebook Was Seen By 126 Million, Many Times More Than Thought

The Washington Post reports:

Facebook plans to tell lawmakers on Tuesday that 126 million of its users may have seen content produced and circulated by Russian operatives, many times more than what the company previously disclosed about the reach of the disinformation campaign during the 2016 presidential election, according to documents obtained by the Washington Post.

Google on Monday acknowledged for the first time that its platforms were also compromised, revealing that Russian trolls uploaded over a thousand videos to YouTube on 18 different channels.

The disclosures, which are contained in draft testimonies obtained by The Washington Post ahead of three Capitol Hill hearings this week, come as tech giants face mounting pressure to more fully investigate how Russians used their platforms to influence American voters and reveal more of their findings to the public.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Delete your Facebook

    • Del Sam

      Did that years ago. Couldn’t take the racist BS and political lies anymore. Kept my blood boiling too damn much.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Same here.

      • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

        I did too after the election.

        It wasn’t good for my mental health and it was just constant reminder how gullible, sexist and racist many people are, including relations

        • Del Sam

          I did it way before the election. It really enlightened me as to just how many ex-friends and family members were closet racists and misogynists. And how much they hated that I outed them as such on open FB messages. To this day, I refuse to have anything at all with them. Maybe I will go to their funerals, if they go before me, just so I can verify they are really gone. Yep, I’m a total unwavering asshole when it comes to racism and fascism. Not gonna put up with it.

        • FAEN

          Hey, how’s the pup. Could you post a more recent pic? I’d love that 😊

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            Unfortunately we haven’t got one yet! We both want one but are profoundly lazy people 😉

          • FAEN

            Oh my mistake. I thought you had gotten one already. My apologies.

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)
          • gaycuckhubby

            Fucking adorable!!!

          • FAEN

            OMG-that pup would get so many kisses lol.

          • gaycuckhubby

            We’re in a room of gay men. When you say “pup” you mean an actual canine, right?

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            Yes but open lol

      • bkmn

        The constant pulling up names from my work email acct on my private computer was the end for me.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      and eat your makeup.

  • TrueWords

    If you care about democracy in America just like the NFL players that took to the knee to protest injustice and corruption…you should take stand and ditch Facebook because really DO you need to be in contact with that many people who are not really your TRUE friends also it is a HUGE time waster!

    WOW, it only took $100,000 to FUCK us over…now how much ad revenue did these ads generate here’s the answer=BILLIONS…it does not matter who the President is to a billionaire.

    Also REALLY Mark is worth 70+ Billion Dollars from using OUR information, when you should and could just pick up the damn phone or send a text message or video call…that is BULLSHIT utter BULLSHIT…

    EDIT: it takes 14 days for the content to GO away and your account to be truly de-activated but this is your REHAB…you can go without Facebook for those 14 days and start making your life BETTER and make democracy REAL and attainable here in America.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n2gMjzr_cw8/VmVup-LyZjI/AAAAAAAAAvA/D86ATEvA460/s1600/Convert%2BFrom%2BFacebook%2Band%2BSocialize%2BEarn%2Bas%2BWell3.png

    • Ron

      Great minds…
      I deleted my account yesterday.

      • TrueWords

        Thank you!!!

    • Tawreos

      I can see getting rid of facebook, but is anyone really going to use Bing instead of Google?

      • Jeffrey

        Strangely enough I have started using Bing on my phone because for some strange reason Google isn’t responding as quickly. Weird, don’t know whats up with that.

      • FAEN

        I have found more info on Bing when I’ve used it. Tried it one day because something had frustrated me on Google and I was pleasantly surprised.

        • Better at finding pictures to go with the gay porn torrents that have none.

          • FAEN

            I see.

      • Dazzer

        Try using DuckDuckGo

        • FAEN

          Say what??

          • Dazzer

            DuckDuckGo is a browser that allows you to travel the internet anonymously.

            It’s not as intuitive as Google, but once you start using it, you get used to making it work for you.

            I use it all the time now.

          • FAEN

            Thanks man!

        • pj

          hasent been a great experience

          • Dazzer

            It’s been good for me – but you have to know to navigate it. I learned just by using it regularly – it’s definitely not as fast as Google or Bing.

      • TrueWords

        Some do and some love it…

        • Tawreos

          Only reptilians like it, spaceman. Us humans use Google like evolution taught us to. =)

      • David Walker

        Wait…what? Seriously. You have to give up Google if you’re deactivating FB?

        • Eddie Besketti

          no – that’s not what he said.

        • Eddie Besketti

          no – that’s not what he said.

      • David Walker

        Wait…what? Seriously. You have to give up Google if you’re deactivating FB?

      • JD

        The browser Opera has a feature that permits searching via prox and Startpage is similar to DuckDuckGo as a search engine. Epic is another anonymized browser – and Signal is Edward Snowden’s recommended phone service…

    • I have an account there. Years ago, I deleted what little I’d posted there, got rid of any content, stripped identifying info to the bare minimum.

      Mostly I use it when I need to see stuff that’s only on FB, like our local fire departments wildfire status info.

      But that’s it. And I’m damned glad I don’t have any ‘friends’ there or anything in my timeline.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        I recently deleted my fb ccount account, which I’d set up under a fake name. Kinda fun, seeing all these people asking to be friends with a non-existent person. Most of the posts to this fake account were in Thai or Malayalam, I couldn’t tell which.

    • Steverino

      Fakebook.

    • Todd20036

      I have facebook to occasionally comment. I think I’ve had enough. How does one delete the account?

      Ok guys. Thanks for the help. I’ve had enough of Zuckerberg.

      Moreover, if he’s letting Russian bots into his software, then his security is for shit.

      • Jeffrey

        Just go to account settings and deactivate

        • I did that for a month trying to reset/make a new one, it was all still there.

        • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

          Have fun deleting everything though. It’s a bitch.

          • TrueWords

            They already have all of your information…it is not worth it…just grab some pictures and call it done…

        • Todd20036

          Ok. So where is “account settings”?

          I have no idea where to look.

        • TrueWords

          No choose DELETE not deactivate…

      • FAEN

        I hear it’s not as simple as it should be to delete. But that’s just what I’ve heard. I’ve never had a FB page and glad for it.

      • TrueWords

        You can find out via Facebook…follow the steps…or do a Goggle search for the information

      • rednekokie

        You can’t. They won’t let you. Only thing you can do is replace all your info with crazy stuff that no one will believe. I had to do this — only way I could get out of their clutches.

        • TrueWords

          NOT TRUE

          It takes 14 days to deactivate the account Permanently, this is to avoid any misconducts which may occur because of Hacking! For an example, you have a Friend who knows your password, He may deactivate your account permanently without you knowing about it!

          So Facebook takes 14 days to give you time to get back your account if it wasn’t you ! 🙂

          • rednekokie

            Wasn’t my experience with FB. I don’t even bother with it anymore — as far as I am concerned, it is a conn job only good for getting customer information to business.
            Absolutely rotten site.

        • Snarkaholic

          Don’t you have to be 18 to use FB? You could try changing the age/birthday in your profile to 14 years old, then have a friend “rat you out” on there for being underaged…maybe that would get your account shut down.

          • rednekokie

            I really don’t care. This happened several years ago, and I haven’t given FB another thought, and won’t. What seemed to be a great place to keep in touch 5 years ago, has apparently turned into nothing but a merchandising ploy.
            I’ll have nothing to do with it.

      • Acronym Jim

        There you are. TuuxKabin and I had fun channeling you yesterday.

    • Nic Peterson

      Unplug from your cable carrier while you are at it. Fox is a bigger threat than FB, for the time being…demographics are going to catch up.

      • TrueWords

        Who the HELL listens to or watches Fox News…that is just sad and pathetic…

        Also I do not have cable…UCK…another money grab…waste of time!!!

        • Richard, another Canuck

          No cable here either but I do get about 8 channels over the air. That’s enough. No fox. What garbage.

        • Nic Peterson

          Just having it delivered, along with CBN and many other noxious channels via your carrier of choice means that they have been paid. Stop the madness, starve the beast.

    • Guy z

      This! I did it shortly after the election. It is so weird how I have survived without FB. I tried reconnecting in March…deleted again after 48 hours.
      You can do it!

    • glass

      I have had multiple FAKE facebook profiles over the years. They have never had any real information on me. I use them to stalk bad people. Right now it’s a drug house and it’s visitors. Only twice have I ever posted anything on those accounts.
      I used to just abandon them when I was done and make a new one, but they are making it harder to create accounts. I use an email that is only for social media accounts and nothing else (also has fake info).
      I do not hang out on fb or twatler. In, out and done, like a bad trick! I don’t “like” anything, all fake info is set to private, I don’t friend anyone. And to prevent them from making money I use an aggressive ad blocker.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Fakebook.

    • Steverino

      Great minds…
      : )

  • Labeling these paid treason-ads as being paid is NOT SUFFICIENT.

  • netxtown

    If Zuck follows the path of others….he will quickly rename Fb to “For Russia, With Love…”

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    This day is one revelation after another. This is just another nail in the Russia-collusion coffin.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Uncanny Valley guy, trickling the info out……

  • coram nobis

    Now, any of the FB revelations connect to the Mueller findings? These two plot threads need to converge at some point.

  • Slippy_World
    • clay

      Does Batman’s nose itch? Is that why his flicking it, or does he have OCD and the tweaking creates a mildly distracting pain?

  • another_steve

    A reminder: American Capitalism is amoral. Not immoral, amoral. Without morals.

    If Starbucks could make more money pandering to fundamentalist Christians than they do pandering to the LGBT community, every Pumpkin Swirl Latte would be served with a plastic swizzle stick in the form of the crucified Christ on the cross.

    • Tawreos

      Does torture make the coffee taste better?

    • Adam Stevens

      Latte Christ is one of my favorite artworks.

      • another_steve

        Are you confusing that with Andres Serrano’s “Piss Christ”?

        • safari

          Which reminds me. What is Jared going to do on the Sabbath in your basement?

          • another_steve

            Jared in my basement will serve as a sacrificial sex object for whatever deity is paying attention.

            Film at 10:00.

        • Steverino

          I think “Semen Christ” would have been more interesting…

          • another_steve

            An interesting theological question, I think:

            Jesus is said to have been fully human and fully God. Both.

            Does that mean he had orgasms?

          • BearEyes

            that rocked the universe?

          • another_steve

            I once had orgasms that rocked the universe.

            Today, if I can achieve an erection, the angels rejoice.

          • JCF

            {{{a_s}}}

          • Steverino

            Well, since it seems he invented them…

          • Cattleya1

            He went camping with 12 guys for 3 years… I can imagine him calling out in the night – Oh Me, Oh Me, I’m coming!

          • JCF

            I hope so!

          • BearEyes

            I’ll drink to that.

      • Fifth-and-a-Half Element
      • Strepsi

        Latte Day Saints

        • Dazzer

          *GROAN*

          🙂

  • Tawreos

    If corporations are people why is Manafort facing charges when Google and Facebook both acted as paid emissaries of a foreign government and are not?

    • Tomcat

      They have corporate protections. They are only people when they need the benefits of the people.

    • Chucktech

      Do corporations ever have to excuse themselves to go to the bathroom?

      No?

      Then corporations are not people, my friend.

  • Ninja0980

    Yup.
    Fuck facebook and Zuckerberg.

  • Refugay

    The husband and I took the dog to seek refuge and unplug for the weekend in the High Sierra near the Carson-Iceberg Wilderness between Lake Tahoe and Yosemite. What a much needed fresh breath of inspiration. There’s magic up there!!! I love our public lands!!!

    I’ve been trying to catch up on all this news…it’s a bit overwhelming. Is this really the beginning of the end? I’m terrified to get my hopes up for anything at this point. What are the high level next steps and things to focus on?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8d07096655a6a38651eb063c24f35cdd2a16ee0857b2a9431a6609fe2631c7c.jpg

    • Feels like it, yes.

      Next thing? Call your members of Congress and urge them to protect Mueller’s investigation.

      As for what’ll happen? I would not be surprised if there are more indictments unsealed this week. Flynn could very well be one or more of the four which were not opened but are on the court docket as of today.

    • Friday’s_cat

      Enjoy it while you can. Trumpco is going to privatize them.

    • SoCalGal20

      Good for you getting away for the weekend. We should all do that once in a while.

      There is still a long way to go but this day is pivotal.

    • pch1013

      I love that area! Especially Bodie.

  • Karl Dubhe

    He wants to run for ‘President’ doesn’t he?

    Is that going to be the thing for the 21st Century? Running for office to hide from the Law? I’d rather see that in a re-run of Dukes of Hazzard…

    • Willing complicity in helping Russia propagandize Americans into electing Trump will have killed the chances for any such ambitions.

      • Karl Dubhe

        The right bullshit artist could get him to sell the idea that he ‘helped’ the USA take Trump down.

        PR, it’s what the discerning totalitarian requires.

    • safari

      Facebook learned around 2011 that they can feed you content that looks benign but can change your moods in a statically significant manner. It is six years later. They are a private company so don’t have to tell you what they are up to. Imagine what they can do now

      • Karl Dubhe

        I ditched them ages ago, less than 6 months of time wasted on that bullshit. 🙂

        • safari

          I joined in 2004 as soon as my university was added to their system. Facebook used to be a university-only service.

  • safari

    I worry about the chilling effect of this. Yes, it was an attempt to sway Americans. But I’d rather the fix be to not have so many stupid Americans believing random shit they see online or on Fox News.

    • Chucktech

      I’m guessing utopia? Maybe a kind of Shangri la?

      • safari

        Or just teaching people to (1) pay attention to the media source itself since that is just as important as the story (2) realize the headline is not the story and (3) understand that all sources have a bias of some sort and will present the same story with different flavors to suit their organization. Finally (4) outrageous claims require outrageous proof.

        It’s not hard.

        • canoebum

          That needs to start in the 2nd grade, while kids are still learning to make letters. Round, round, round, ready, touch.

        • clay

          I’ve of a generation trained to ignore ads– but now the entire magazine looks like ads, the news with the floating chyrons look like ads, websites are designed as ads.

        • Chucktech

          We’re talking Americans. Yes, it IS hard. If we could do as you suggest, there would be no tabloids at the grocery check out stand.

    • BearEyes

      I’d like to have that educated populace Jefferson envisioned, but don’t expect with either DeVoss or the trumpanzees

    • DoctorDJ

      When it comes to the American public, aim low.

      You’ll rarely miss.

      • safari

        *sigh*

  • https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925123938350493696

    Sam Clovis was the ‘campaign supervisor’ who gave Papadop the greenlight to contact Russian officials. I’ve a feeling his nomination to head science at USDA will not succeed. (Thank god.)

    • safari

      Sam Clovis looks like a walking coronary. If he survives Congressional questioning, I might even look shocked.

      • Clovis was Trump’s personal liaison to his NatSec team. He will KNOW what Trump was told and what Trump communicated to the team.

    • Tomcat

      Being UNQUALIFIED for a position is required to get the position in trump cabinet.

      • Cuberly Deux

        I’m sure if he was the head of the Arabian Horse Association, he’d be a shoe-in.

    • shellback

      It seems like all appointments should be halted until the investigation is complete and Dump is spending life in prison.

      • Richard, another Canuck

        Also appointments to the Judiciary should be halted.

        • JCF

          AS IF the Rethugs would let that happen…

    • greenmanTN

      Once getting mistakenly branded at a cattle ranch is not a qualification to head the USDA.

      https://www.agri-pulse.com/ext/resources/images/samclovis.jpg?1485036786

      • safari

        Dad?

      • Cattleya1

        Well, he looks sort of bovine…

      • Dazzer

        If they put him in Indiana he’d be landscape.

      • CottonBlimp

        Are we sure he isn’t an abnormally large potato?

        • greenmanTN

          Tuber: smartphone based taxi app for the “big boned”

          • Dazzer

            Love it.

            But *groan*

          • greenmanTN

            Yeah, I know. I was embarrassed to hit send on that one….

  • BobSF_94117

    What is a polo shirt but a t-shirt with three buttons?

    — mom

  • shellback

    Facebook – Never had it, never will. And very grateful for the decision I made.

  • Cuberly Deux

    “Nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get [the Trump] campaign to where it is right now.”

    –Newt Gingrich, Aug 2016

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/flashback-check-out-this-freezing-cold-aug-2016-take-from-newt-gingrich-on-paul-manafort/

    • This one will be forever evergreen:
      https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/864998445244743684?lang=en

      Amazing thing is it’s still up.

      • Bambino

        Send it to the fucking moron maybe he will recall that owl from the Vatican.

      • safari

        When he dies, I want there to be a line to see him in situ so we can all take turns punching him in his balls.

        • pch1013

          Why wait til he dies?

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          Can i just spit on him?

          • Harley

            I’m holding on to that for Pat Robertson.

        • Acronym Jim

          When he dies they are going to have to bury him in a sewer to cut down on the wait time in line.

  • Chucktech

    Zuckerberg, you have much to atone for. And you damned well better make sure nothing like this happens again.

    • BearEyes

      the atonement should be to publicly take every $ and ruble in revenue and give ti to an organisation that is working for open, clean, and ethical elections.
      For starters.

      • Tomcat

        Man, that might be hard to find.

    • Cuberly Deux

      For them to “fix it” they’d have to break FB rule #1: Automation at all costs.

      As much as they think they’re geniuses there’s no substitute for a human set of eyeballs reviewing ads and the orgs, individuals that pay for them.

    • clay

      Isn’t Z one of those dedicated to zero inheritance? Maybe he should just divest NOW, rather than wait until the time of his death? He’s a smart guy, he could come up with something else.

      • Chucktech

        As far as I know, he is already engaged in some philanthropic endeavors.

  • Adam Stevens

    And I guess Zuckerberg had no suspicions when many of the payments were made to him in rubles??

  • Sam_Handwitch

    he looks like he’s made of dough

    • paganguy

      He is. Oh… wait… you meant the floury – yeasty – pasty kind of dough. Never mind.

  • Halou
  • safari

    O/T: Twitter informs me it is National Candy Corn Day.

    • safari

      Here is Lewis Black’s opinion on the matter.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6S3-cXtKs

    • AmeriCanadian

      I don’t know why but I prefer the candy pumpkins. Perhaps because they’re bigger? Perhaps I’m subconsciously seeing nipples?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba854f1a0291c9cde8a6627513a420c5d9f6b26abfd81318927bec2210012292.jpg

      • safari

        I’ll eat a circus peanut on occasion. Why are they in the shape of a peanut and taste like a banana but made of marshmallow? No one knows. Also, history records no one will take credit for their creation.

        • BearEyes

          would you really admit to creating something like that?

          • safari

            Just for the sake of history. They’ve been produced for over a century. You’d think someone would say something.

      • greenmanTN

        Nipples if the clamps were left on way too long, maybe…

        • AmeriCanadian

          Yeah baby! 😉

        • safari

          I once had a substitute teacher when I was in 11th grade who had nipples that stuck out like 1/2 to 3/4 an inch. He had a great body. Once he commented to a female classmate about her lovely handwriting. I told him he was looking at my notes.

          • greenmanTN

            Do you think those nipples were naturally occurring or the result of strenuous… exercise?

          • RaygunsGoZap

            I have such nipples. Organically. It’s a mixed blessing.

      • kanehau

        You just made my teeth hurt.

        • clay

          I can feel my gums retracting.

    • gaycuckhubby

      😝😝😝

    • Talisman
    • Steverino

      When I was a little kid, candy corn always looked more like teeny-tiny traffic cones to me.

      • safari

        Me, too. And I’d eat them one color at a time.

    • clay

      The only reason I can remember having candy corn (or those mini pumpkin candies, either) in the house was for decorating applesauce spice layer cake with brown sugar cream cheese frosting. Growing up, we generally had desert about once or twice a month.

  • Tomcat

    Anyone that gets their news from Facebook and Twitter is a fool. Now do something about it before the next election.

    • safari

      I get a lot of news from Twitter. But I follow almost exclusively journalists.

      • Tomcat

        Get in the habit of EVEN CHECKING THEM.

        • safari

          I do.

  • Tomcat

    The real virus of the internet is the transfer of fake news with very little trying.

  • Michael R
  • boobert

    I think we’re gonna see another breaking story during prime time ! Like maybe sessions resigning.

    • BearEyes

      Looking forward to Rachel tonight.

    • Steverino

      Would have liked to have been a fly on the wall during that lunch today…

      Or maybe a bug…

    • boobert

      And we’ve haven’t seen a tweet in over 8 hours. He’s gonna explode !

      • Tread

        I wonder if he’s sedated.

        • Steverino

          He’s distracted handing out Halloween candy with Melania.

          • Lizard

            And weight-shaming ten-year-old girls.

          • Snarkaholic

            There’s probably a money beg brochure taped to each and every candy bar.

        • There were rumors, don’t know how reliable, that he’s spent the last 24 hours in a screaming rage.

          • Talisman

            Massive Coronary 2017!

          • Steverino

            Bigly coronary!

          • Eddie Besketti

            one can hope.

          • Eddie Besketti

            one can hope.

          • Tread

            Hmm. Apoplexy seems like a fitting end for such a reprehensible human being. Then again, it’s far too sudden.

          • pj

            hope so cause thats so helpful.

          • Tatonka

            I hope so. I’ve spent the last nine months in a screaming rage.

          • pch1013

            Not surprisingly for someone who was never told ‘no’ during those crucial formative first 850 months of his life.

          • No More GOP.

            One hopes!

          • Lizard

            Girl, I’m just waiting for the audio file to get “leaked.”

      • Someone in WH: “PLEASE! Put down the phone before you tweet yourself into impeachment!”

        🙂

        • Todd20036

          too late

    • Cuberly Deux

      The all-caps presidency.

      • pch1013

        Trollocracy.

    • safari

      It’ll start the second part of the anthology of Donald’s rise and fall.

    • BobSF_94117

      But are there bananas?

      • greenmanTN

        Yes, we have no bananas.

        • Dazzer

          We have no bananas today

    • Karl Dubhe

      I wanna see him say that on camera. With his ok hand gestures flailing about…

  • Paula

    Thank you for sharing this info, Mr. Zuckerbergovitch.

    • edrex

      that’s COMRADE zuckerbergovitch to you!

  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

      Oh. My original avatar.

  • Friday’s_cat

    What’s the rate of exchange between Rubles and thirty pieces of silver?

  • coram nobis

    Something that hasn’t garnered as much attention, though the NYT has covered it, is the Tuam affair in Ireland.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/28/insider/a-guide-to-find-the-story-of-the-lost-children-of-tuam.html

    796 dead children at this one site, in this one religious order. Doesn’t look good for the Roman Catholic Church’s record in history. It’s an evil story.

    Though well-known in that country, the disturbing case, involving the historic mistreatment of unwed Irish mothers and their children, is less familiar beyond Irish shores.

    The scandal was exposed in 2014 by Catherine Corless, a determined woman with no press or academic credentials. At the matter’s troubled core are the deaths of nearly 800 “illegitimate” children at the since-demolished Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, County Galway, from 1925 to 1961. Institutions like the one in Tuam were created nearly a century ago to rehabilitate “fallen” women and their offspring, with management given to the Catholic Church, whose moralistic teachings dictated much of Irish life.

    • safari

      I always thought that was resolved.

      • coram nobis

        Apparently there’s still some questions. Also, remember that that Bonne Secours operated mother-and-baby homes elsewhere in Ireland, not to mention other orders like the Magdalen Sisters. Certainly NYT is continuing this story, four or five years on.

    • clay

      At least they kept abortion restricted. /s

  • Lazycrockett

    Its time for the government to start regulating social media. They have proven they aren’t going to do it themselves.

    • Agreed. There would be NO QUESTION that if any cable or broadcast station began running political ads paid for directly by foreign governments, they’d be sanctioned immediately.

      It’s really no different when they’re paying for FB/Twitter ads, or promoted Google content, or simply using the architecture of the social media platform itself to push propaganda on people.

      • Talisman

        But, but…free market, and all that!

    • BearEyes

      I understand the statement, but see it as a real double-edged sword though.

      • Tread

        Political campaigns should at least have to report their spending to the FEC amongst other rules, like other forms of media advertising. There is no oversight of it at all.

        • clay

          AND the media companies’ in-kind donations, as well.

    • SoCalGal20

      I think we need the fairness doctrine back and i think there should be an FCC regulation that keeps the news division separate from the entertainment division and I think the mergers should have more oversight. I’m not sure about other regulations.

      Oh! I think social media should be regulated similar to above. And social media should have to follow the same rules as other media outlets with regards to campaign financing and such.

    • Cuberly Deux

      The company where the word “media” is in their very description, that doesn’t want to be classified and regulated as a “media” company.

  • IF TRUE, this would be Donald realizing he might not even be permitted to finish his 1st term:
    https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/925102551481180160

    • Talisman

      Take all those sweet, sweet campaign donations and run!

      • pj

        and all that scam money from the hotel, golf courses ect.

    • BobSF_94117

      So what’s with his campaign slush fund???

    • BearEyes

      since his need for the approval of others is so narcissistic, he needs to fully understand and confront how truly despised he really is.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        His minions hide it from him.

        • BearEyes

          problem #1

          • clay

            (#3. #1, He’s a chauvinistic frat boy douche. #2, He’s a fucking narcissist.)

        • pj

          the woman on the bike was clear.

    • safari

      Donald might not be seeking a second year in office, IMO.

      • Karl Dubhe

        I’m still hoping he doesn’t last a year. 🙂

    • Henry Auvil

      Why is anyone assuming he’ll still be in office in 2020? Can you run for President from a federal lockup facility?

      • safari

        The GOP are willing to find out.

      • Karl Dubhe

        Eugene Debs did. 🙂

      • CottonBlimp

        The Democrats should run the most unabashedly liberal candidate they can find, all the MAGAts will be writing in Donald Trump on their ballot, prison be damned!

    • AmeriCanadian
  • gaycuckhubby
    • safari

      As dumb as his cockiness will take him?

    • Sam_Handwitch

      he’s pretty much a simpleton

    • He’s never given me any reason to rethink my nickname for him: “The Giggling Ninny.”

    • SoCalGal20

      Does he have a lawyer?!

    • Steverino

      Dumb as a sack of rubles. And about as worthless.

    • Megrim Twist

      So dumb, he thinks that “collusion” refers to his [blank].
      ** Match Game music plays **

  • This is one of my favorite satirical twitter follows:
    https://twitter.com/realGollumTrump/status/925134910263910401

    • Sam_Handwitch

      it’s about the only account i follow that makes me LOL regularly

    • safari

      I just started following it. You’re quite right: it’s wonderful.

  • SoCalGal20

    OMG Carter Page is going to be on All In. Does the man actually have a lawyer? LMAO

    https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/925131627986145285

    • Karl Dubhe

      He’s going to joint him?

      What kind of weed is Carter bringing?

      • SoCalGal20

        It would explain Carter a little more if he was a stoner.

        • clay

          He’s the smiley giggling boy, right?

          • SoCalGal20

            Yes, the dim, giggly one.

          • clay

            “When You’re so Stupid that Your Tell is Audible:
            a White House story.”

            For sale now at your favorite self-published bookstore site.

      • JWC

        even his Russian handlers thought him a n idiot or simpleton

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Easy marks

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Henry Auvil

    Far from promoting it, Facebook DESTROYED American democracy. Period. It’ll be your legacy Mr. Zuckerberg. I wouldn’t log onto that toxic dump of a site even if my great-aunt Melinda finally decided to publish her coveted pimento cheese recipe.

  • IAMBOWLINGSCREAM
    • Treant

      That’s Mueller and Hills in the cop car behind the white Bronco.

    • carrot festival

      Don’t have to worry about the glove being too small this time.

  • I love dim sum

    Its really telling that all it took was $100K in ads to bring down Hillary’s $1.3 billion dollar campaign.

  • safari

    Meanwhile, Breitbart headlines the most important stories of the day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa5e9904b471b43206850992b43bdaecf17620aad54c9926807709e4960e9fbe.png

  • So kids, are we enjoying Arrestivus Day? I know I am.

    • Cuberly Deux

      I’m truly surprised at, well, the surprises. It’s much bigger than I’d thought it’d be.

      • clay

        I can’t help thinking that there’s time for just one more!

        • Cuberly Deux

          “Just one more indictment…puhleeeeeeeze.”

    • SoCalGal20

      I left work on time today instead of working OT!

  • LeeCMH

    Facebook

    One big waste of time.

  • this is a surprise, to whom?

    folks, the interwebs are not safe. people seek to harm you, steal from you, harass you. everywhere you go on them. don’t trust anyone. are you there, looking at the “person” you’re “talking” to via the web? no? then be careful, mindful and private with your personal real life details.

    be safe. don’t trust me, don’t trust anyone, unless you’re literally in the same room while they are typing. and even then, don’t be so sure what you’re seeing is what the world is seeing, or even some portion of it.

    it’s way too easy to create an alternative narrative to any actual series of things and events that really happened. it’s easy to make that go viral. stop, think, ask, review, compare: before you form an opinion about anything based on info you saw on the web. i guess that sounds all teacher-esque, but i am a teacher and i write this for the older versions of my kids, many of whom are still developing this as a firm concept and mode of operation. it’s not real just because you read it on the internet. there has to be more.

  • edrex
    • clay

      forcing BrownBack back onto the Kansas GOP legislature!

      • edrex

        whoa. unintended consequences.

  • Pluto Animus

    “Leave Facebook.”

    It sounds so simple, doesn’t it? But even if you and everyone you knew left Facebook, there will always be tens of millions of Americans on it — or something like it.

    It’s just like when I say, “Please just ignore that stupid fucking Milo,” I’m saying something utterly futile. Because even if I managed to convince 90% of both ordinary people and ‘news’ organizations to ignore him, there still would be a glut of Milo news in any given month.

    We are stuck in this Cowardly New World, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Sorry to be a wet blanket, but we all have to be ready for this shit to last for the rest of our lives.

    • pch1013

      What I don’t understand is why so many people are saying “leave Facebook” but are still on Twitter – which IMHO is a much more toxic swamp than Facebook is.

  • Treant

    Not so OT: Turner Classic Movies is playing The Manchurian Candidate this evening.

    • SoCalGal20

      Coincidence or their programming director is ON IT?

      • Treant

        The latter, probably. Schedules aren’t set until late, and they would have known that Mueller would be doin’ stuff today, so therefore…

    • JT

      The Siberian Candidate is unfortunately still with us. Remove him now!

      • greenmanTN

        Due to Donald’s intellectual limitations things had to be simplified.

        *phone rings*

        DJT: Hello

        Unknown caller: Mr President, maybe you should play some… Go Fish.

        DJT, emotionlessly: Go Fish…

  • JT

    Fuck Mark Zuckerberg with a Russian samovar!

  • Sam_Handwitch

    uh oh

    PickyPecker’s costume for tomorrow has been leaked by anonymous sources

    Meet PickyPapadopoulos !!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8d41a69021d1c39ed2a0679d6aae3fbf84d179e1a34bcaed73ca4852e691b0a.png

  • Michael R
    • AmeriCanadian

      That does not look like the wisest thing one ought to be doing.

      • greenmanTN

        That’s how they knew it was Eric and Don Jr.

        • AmeriCanadian

          I’m totally getting my dose of chuckles from this site tonight. I hate to tear myself away to watch the MSNBC lineup.

      • JCF

        Seriously! Like maybe the lions would target the SLOWEST ZEBRA???

        • BobSF_94117

          That’s not a zebra. That’s a nauga.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Are they training young ones born in captivity before they release them into the wild?

  • Travis Morrow

    “There were no Russian ads on Facebook peddling influence in the US election.”
    “There were ads, but no body saw them.”
    “Only a few people saw them.”
    “Of the millions of people who saw the Russian propaganda spread on our website, we know of none influenced by it. Also, our business model collapsed overnight as advertisers flee.”

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/lindsaywise/status/925106556332658688
    Someone posted this below but let’s just say..there is no good answer for this unless Brownback follows the example of his fellow bigot Jan Pauls.
    Otherwise, sooner or later this asshole is going to get confirmed.

  • SoCalGal20

    WaPO just dropped this story about Trump’s no good, very bad day.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/925140919585820673

    • FAEN

      Hope you’re stress eating Cheeto. Oh yeah-you’re a fucking moron!

    • I am confident he was screaming, not fuming.

      • matrem

        I’m confident he was shitting, not screaming.

        • carrot festival

          In his suit, not ensuite.

    • Treant

      There it goes, kid. Bye-bye. You’re going to lose about half the remaining six percent of sane people who approve of your orange ass, and that puts you in impeachment range.

      • safari

        Gallup has Donald at 33% approval.

        • Todd20036

          1/3 of America are Nazis. Glad not too many of them live in DC

        • pch1013

          And the only reason his approval number is that high is because the economy hasn’t cratered (yet).

    • “The walls are closing in,” said one senior Republican in close contact with top staffers who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly. “Everyone is freaking out.”

    • clay

      So, after a weekend at the private, self-serving golf course, he’s needed a personal day? WEAK!

    • fuzzybits

      Cherry pie,stat!!!

    • greenmanTN
  • FAEN

    There is no Russia connection. Nothing to see here.

  • JWC

    Yes Mr Fuckleberg you and , the rest, should answer some very tuff questions on your activites You were not adverse to accepting their rubles knowing full well thery were rubles and then go off thinking you did nothing wrong

  • Natty Enquirer

    A triumph of antisocial media.

  • geoffalnutt

    We have a severe Russia problem. Many living here now have malicious intent and ties to Russian intelligence. Putin will keep attacking our elections and/or our power grids or our water systems, nuclear plants, etc. if we let him. This is war, kids. What’s to be done?

    • BobSF_94117

      No kidding. This is serious. The Kremlin should be shitting bricks.

  • Sam_Handwitch

    who the hell is Chris talking to?

    • Lazycrockett

      some former R rep. Nan Wayworth or soemthing. Why Chris is letting her lie is beyond me.

      • Dramphooey

        He’s letting her lie because he stole a time slot that would be better used by somebody like Joy Reid. He’s a fossil and he belongs in a museum.

      • Ninja0980

        She was a one and done teabagger from NY.

      • boobert

        I’m no fan of his, but he is exposing her stupidity.

    • Sam_Handwitch

      nan hayworth (R-NY)

      • Ninja0980

        Far right teabagger from New York with a homocon son.

  • bkmn

    Boy, nobody could have seen this coming, other than everybody.

  • Jeffrey

    Is it a coincidence that The Manchurian Candidate is currently playing on TCM?

  • Pete Wascher

    exploiters have always and will always be there. ultimately, in a free society, citizens need to discern for themselves fact from fiction (which speaks to the value of public education). no one should be better at it than citizens in a capitalist society where we’re barraged with offers to buy this and that. still, we need to make users of media as transparent as possible. ben franklin said we’ve given you a republic, now let’s see if you can keep it.

  • robirob

    We need to rely more on our common sense than what social media, authority figures and the media outlets tell us to think.

    A great deal of people have become mentally and physically lazy and there are snake oil salesmen that a) created that lazy state and now b) take advantage of it.

  • Michael R
    • houstonray

      She makes me miss Spicer….and that says a lot. Hateful, lying, vile woman.

      • safari

        I have sympathy for her right eye. I know, I shouldn’t say such things. But it seems to want to leave her head along with her right eyebrow.

        • PianoGuy

          I think it is her left eye that looks funny…..like it sat in a wet place by accident…

        • John30013

          I’m sure she can’t do anything about her lazy eye, but that perpetual scowl, and her horrible clothing and hairstyle choices—she certainly has control over those.

          I try my best not to criticize anyone based on their looks, but FSM knows she does herself no favors with her personal presentation. At least the Mooch was charming in a creepy Mafia way. But Sanders is neither charming nor humorous nor particularly good at her job. Her main qualification seems to be that she’s willing to lie and deflect for Trump, and her daddy is a conservative hero.

    • greenmanTN

      The Three Faces Of… Whatever That Is

      • edrex

        three faces of heave.

        • Spray on abs

          HA!

        • John30013

          Ding ding ding ding ding!

          We have a winner!

      • Gretchen

        It’s the eyebrows that get me. They aren’t in the right place or something.

        • Dazzer

          Her waxwork in Madam Tussauds has perfect eyebrows. One of them is clearly a fake and is melting.

      • Snarkaholic

        The Three Faces Of…SKEEVE!

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I don’t watch videos of her but if she really wore that, good lord. Shower curtains are not for wearing.

  • bkmn

    Think how lost the racist muthafuckas would be if FB were to be shut down. I know they have some other means of communicating but I would bet FB was how they found out about them.

  • Pete Wascher

    social media is new to all of us. we have to work out how it best serves a free society.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Democracy, however, is not new. We are reaping the rewards of the dismantling of public education. An uneducated people is easily swayed by rumor and propaganda, whether they are conveyed on Twitter or in the corner saloon.

      • Gretchen

        Oddly enough as a middle school language arts/reading teacher in Tennessee, I taught recognizing propaganda techniques as part of the state curriculum. Apparently those lessons stuck about as well as the grammar and spelling.

        • safari

          I remember the same lessons but from decades ago.

      • edrex

        exactly!

    • boobert

      We need to know what our second cousin had for dinner !

  • Ninja0980

    For those wondering, the person Chris Matthews was arguing with is Nan Hayworth, a one and done teabagger who tried to use her gay son (and he let her) as a shield against the fact she was a teabagger in a swing district.
    Thankfully Sean Patrick Maloney (one of the few gay Congressman serving) beat her not once but twice.

    • boobert

      Hillary, Hilary, Hilary !!!!! lol

      • johncAtl

        Nixon, Nixon, Nixon!!! History is going to repeat itself. If I recall over 100 members of Nixon’s administration were convicted. And it wasn’t treason, but just the cover up of a minor crime.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Thirty one, pages, long, indictment! FUCK!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/ZqlvCTNHpqrio/giphy.gif

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Lazycrockett
    • Leo

      !!!! I literally just yelped, albeit quietly.

      If tax reform is dead Dems might win back the House. Fever dream, but gets us closer.

    • Todd20036

      Probably dead in the water. Do the republicans really want to sneak through a give back to the wealthy just so a president who might be in jail in less than a year gets a “win”?

      Remember, 2018 is not that far away, and this will be more ammo for the democrats

      • BobSF_94117

        They want a tax cut for the rich because they’ve always wanted tax cuts for the rich.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Hmm, Susan Collin continues to be useful.

      • BobSF_94117

        She’s still a tool.

    • jerry

      “No rate cuts for millionaires.” There is no other purpose for their “tax reform” other than cuts for millionaires…if it doesn’t include that, no other Republican will support it.

  • Cuberly Deux

    I think I’d have complete glee overload if they indicted Dana Rorabacher (sp?).

  • DaddyRay

    OT: Sorry if this was posted before, I was busy this weekend and missed this epic takedown by Joy Reid

    WOW! Joy Reid DEMOLISH Conservative Reporter’s Talking Points on BOGUS Uranium One ‘Scandal’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP04_TVbW8k

    • Talisman

      Bing, bing, bing. That’s how you take care of things.

      • DaddyRay

        That is Joy Reid at her finest and why I love her so much

    • safari

      It was gorgeous.

  • pj

    might have been more. mr z has a credibility problem these days.

  • SoCalGal20

    Facebook isn’t the only one in the barrel. Now it’s twitter’s turn!

    https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/925131099348635648

    • Dazzer

      If Twitter gets rid off all the Russian bots, Donald will only have three followers.

      • johncAtl

        Don Jr., Eric, and Charles Manson?

        • Dazzer

          Not all of them. Even Charles Manson has standards.

    • John Ruff

      And yet so many JMG followers continiue to patronize that shit stain of an app.

      • SoCalGal20

        I’m one of them.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • johncAtl

      Good. It was the coverup that brought Nixon down.

    • Sam_Handwitch

      he deleted his FB page on which he’d been communicating about or with Russians

    • clay

      Didn’t Jared and Ivanka move and delete emails after they were expressly ordered NOT to?

  • Leo
    • BobSF_94117

      Wouldn’t it be nice if we managed to go back to just one flag?

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Todd20036

      Because he worked for Clinton a long time ago.

  • safari

    O/T: https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/925138886279516161

    The key:

    Republican tax reformers face a math problem. They want to do about $5 trillion worth of tax cuts over a decade, but they only want to grow the budget deficit by $1.5 trillion. That means they have to find ways to raise about $3.5 trillion in offsetting revenue, and they need to resist the temptation to add new tax cuts demanded by various constituencies…

  • safari
    • Sam_Handwitch

      you’ve been overruled by DJ Handwitch

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hmDZz5pDOQ

    • Collusion was basically just proven.

      • Bryan

        For everybody who (like me) was waiting for the hammer to fall, I believe this counts as being Lucille’d
        AND IT’S JUST DAY ONE

        Don’t mind me I’m just re-wiring the couch to feed me popcorn and shoot cola into my mouth while supporting a morphine-THC drip. What…I need one free hand to hold the caffeine bottle. Too..much…corn..of popping….Blood replaced with butter and my kidneys with salt.

        • TuuxKabin

          We’re on our second big bowl, instead of dinner, using cayenne infused oil. Sets off a coughing fit, but if you like spicy. Just the ticket. Clears out the sinuses ad tar ducts as wel.

          • djcoastermark

            Well then Mr Tuux, quit smoking so darn much and you wont have to clear out the tar ducts ! giggle 🙂

          • TuuxKabin

            Lips that touch twobacky shall never touch these smackers.
            As for the other smokeable, no way. Get too goddamn paranoid: “WHAT ARE YOU LOOKIN’ AT?!?!??!!!

          • TuuxKabin

            Just correctly re-read that. Tar ducts, ike the pits in la Brea. Good catch. Nite nite meteorite.

    • Refugay

      So will Trump and Trump Jr. be caught in their web of lies as I believe they claimed to have no knowledge of these emails and no understanding of who Natalia Veselnitskaya was? I’d be reviewing their statements on what they knew and when they knew it.

    • JCF
      • David L. Caster

        They’ve just about fixed the worst of that. It will take another dry season to finish completely though. And there is still a good bit of work to do with the emergency spillway outfall hardening.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWkCupW5k8Y

      • David L. Caster

        They’ve just about fixed the worst of that. It will take another dry season to finish completely though. And there is still a good bit of work to do with the emergency spillway outfall hardening.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWkCupW5k8Y

    • Gerry Fisher

      This was all super-duper close to being out in the open last summer and fall. It makes me want to scream that it’s taking so much digging and further proof to get Americans to wake up. On the other hand, it’s hard to admit when you’ve been suckered and conned.

  • gaycuckhubby

    😂😂😂
    Edit… this is Roger Stone reading Manafort on his insanely expensive suits.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b9d88efb62bbf59a62f279bf2d7a4e224ab324e7dae0ee7b179dc6eac57c3515.jpg

  • gaycuckhubby
    • They’re still off by a factor of at least 100k

    • John Ruff

      Twitter: An arm of the FSB

  • gaycuckhubby

    Thank God the week is almost over.

    Oh wait…
    Shit

    • safari

      It’ll be a Halloween to remember.

      • Henry Auvil

        Peering into the bottom of my last chalice of vodka, I’d say it will be a Halloween to forget.

  • Lizard

    I’m genuinely surprised it wasn’t more.

  • crewman

    Carter Page is about to be a “guest” on Chris Hayes.

  • Henry Auvil

    Typical Trump Supporter: If they’d just build the dang wall, all these problems would disappear. *reaches for duff beer and the remote to turn up Hannity*

  • Lazycrockett

    Carter Page on MSNBC

    • ByronK

      I would not trust him any farther than I could throw him.

      • Dazzer

        I prefer the New Zealand phrase: “I wouldn’t trust him further than I could comfortably spit a rat”.

        • ByronK

          I like it!

  • Lazycrockett

    Well I just spilled super glue all over myself.

    • DaddyRay

      Sticky situation

      • safari

        *groan*

      • coram nobis

        Solidarity forever, comrade.

      • Lazycrockett

        I now have the rubber part of phone protector stuck to my thumb.

        • safari

          I guess, enjoy knowing what it’s like to be part of a phone protector and meditate on its existence?

        • BobSF_94117

          Is a phone protector like a pocket protector?

    • safari

      The next question is how should you touch and pose yourself to make the story even better?

    • ByronK

      “When I think of you, I touch myse…” Oh, crap.

    • clay

      But, surely you have a large supply of fingernail polish remover in your home.

      Good luck.

      • Lazycrockett

        duh.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Uh oh, hope you’re not on a date with James Woods….er…wait.

  • JT

    Wait a minute. A Drumpf associate has actually admitted to lying?
    https://i.giphy.com/media/aWPGuTlDqq2yc/giphy.gif

  • Lazycrockett

    Carter isnt being his usual cra cra tonight.

    • DaddyRay

      But he is still a complete idiot

    • safari

      See the tweet about the sealed indictments out between those two that were unsealed today.

    • safari

      Is stupidity a defense in an adversarial system like the one we have?

      • Watching and listening to him basically free-associate, I’m now convinced there’s something developmentally wrong with him.

        When I was a kid, I knew ones like him: Overly personable, but also goofy in a creepy and off-putting way. The kid who might be good at a few things but who just can’t relate to how the world and the people in it actually work.

        He strikes me as that sort of person, only grown up.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Wow, Mueller needs to nab him ASAP.

    • Gerry Fisher

      He’s lucky that Mueller was able to start higher up on the totem pole.

  • crewman

    Chris Hayes is giving Carter Page a platform to focus on the Dossier and to try to discredit it.

  • Lazycrockett

    “yeah I could be a Russian spy, maybe.” – C Page.

    • DaddyRay

      Either he has been flipped and spilling the beans or is setting himself up to be a fall guy for huge sums of money

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Cuberly Deux

    Gee, it’s almost like he wants the phrase, “dodgy dossier” to stick.

    • I wish Chris had interjected, “But nothing in the Steele dossier has been disproven. Nothing. Not even the parts which appear to mention you.”

      • Cuberly Deux

        Yeah, that’s what I’m not getting.

      • SoCalGal20

        Chris appeared to be doing all he could to keep from laughing.

        But, yes, he should have pushed back on the dossier.

    • Dazzer

      “Dodgy Dossier” was the phrase used in the UK to describe Tony Blair’s untrustworthy evidence supporting the invasion of Iraq.

      If he thinks about the success of the phrase, he probably doesn’t want to use it too often.

      • clay

        Considering Tillerson and Mattis were at the Capitol defending the open-ended War Powers authorization today, that would seem a bit too on the nose . . .

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      I read that as “doggy dossier”. I thought you were replying to Michael R, above.

  • Michael R
    • Cuberly Deux

      Serious question, are there right wing websites that break down each of the dossier points and discredits them? Seems like the majority of the accusations have proven true.

    • John Ruff

      Good pic. She’s laughing at them as she should be

  • Robincho

    Mark Zuckerbag can eat the corn outta my shit…

    • Refugay

      Make sure you capture that on Instagram!

    • John Ruff

      Along with the dead red blood cells and mucous.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • Dazzer

      You’re bad, Muriel

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        We all have our skill set

        • Dazzer

          Yours should only ever be sold at Sotheby’s (for many, many millions).

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            You make me blush….

    • boobert

      How are you not getting blocked? lol

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I have the pee tape, muwahahahahahaha

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Drümpf had lunch with Sessions today. I hope he didn’t have a bad reaction to something on the menu

      • Dazzer

        How would you be able to tell?
        It’s not as if he’d be capable of turning green.

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          To put it bluntly:
          If drümpf were to keel over dead, how many hours or days would it take for his inner circle to make the news public? I would expect at least 3 days of, “He’s in bed with the flu.”

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        If only…

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/925109251332337664?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
    Just a reminder of what is happening on our Circuit courts while we’re being distracted by everything else.
    The 8th Circuit is arguably the most conservative court in the country and this asshole will make it even worse.
    And let’s not kid ourselves, anyone who says with a straight face someone who belongs to a state hate group linked with Focus On the Family and the Family Research Council is going to be a fair and impartial judge is a flat out liar.
    And yet at the end of the day, all the Republicans including Susan Collins and Rob Portman who has a gay son will vote for this asshole.
    But both parties are the same right?

    • John Ruff

      Repugs would love it if we didn’t exist at all. Well, we ain’t going anywhere and the world is getting smaller. I take great joy in knowing my faggot ass and my husband are making them fume with hate.

    • billbear1961

      You cannot and should not recognize the authority of gangsters and fanatics at any level of government, in any branch of government, not if you live in a genuine democracy.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    The MAGA/Breitbart crowd will not be pleased….I so giggle snorted typing this….

    https://twitter.com/LawyerRogelio/status/925128795203473408

    https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/925093411555721217

  • Cuberly Deux

    “The lack of judgement here is astounding.”

    That could be the GOP motto for the 2016 election.

  • TangierOrange

    Trump puts a lie to the presumed legal, moral or intellectual superiority of millionaires and ivy-league graduates.

    • Dazzer

      There are amoebas staring out of sewers that think Trump puts the lie to primate superiority.

      • TangierOrange

        And there are bots that post to counter a truth.

        • Dazzer

          Ummm… OK

          • billbear1961

            I know–not quite sure where that came from, or why.

          • Rambie

            The bots are trying to start infighting! 😉

  • SoCalGal20

    Oh hey, Papadopoulos was in London on “business” 5 days ago. Wonder who he was meeting with?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/925144729548935169

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Assange? Farrage?

      • Dazzer

        *fingers crossed*

        Both. Dear God in Heaven – if you exist please make sure young Georgie taped both of them.

      • Rambie

        I find it hard he’d get a wire passed embassy security to get to Assange. Though I’d love it if he did!

        • NZArtist

          … unless the embassy is getting sick of hosting Assange and are looking for a way to get rid of him….

  • boobert

    Is papadopoulos gay ? Is he under protective custody?

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Are you offering to hide him in your basement, as Another_Steve has so graciously offered Jared?

      • Bryan

        Another_Steve’s got the entire set-up. Including the government’s successful attempt at making a gay bomb.

        …..Or he’s the world’s most obvious LGBT-themed Buffalo Bill ever.

      • boobert

        No basement, but I could hide him in the crawl space, lol.

        • William

          That never turns out well. You forget about the ones stashed in the crawlspace.

          • BobSF_94117

            We’re just gonna pretend that’s the Tylenol talking.

    • jruffdc

      Nah. Too ugly

      • boobert

        Maybe some proactiv would help.

    • boobert

      He just seems gay to me and he could be in danger.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lazycrockett
      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Oh, I WISH.

      • Sam_Handwitch

        i’m gettin excited

        maybe this has been a yuge hoax

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Maybe Hannity knows it should have been her all along but can’t admit it.

        • OdieDenCO

          if Allen Funt jumps out of the bushes and yells “surprise you’re on candid camera” I’m out of here.

      • NZArtist

        Y’know I was just thinking this yesterday….
        If the current administration goes titsup, the conservative press are going to convince republican voters that it was a Clinton administration at fault, and that *this* time they should all vote Republican.
        Just you wait to see how they’re going to spin “up is down!”

        • BobSF_94117

          They already tried the “blame Obama for not stopping Trump/Russia” and it didn’t really take.

      • jruffdc

        So?

      • billbear1961
  • safari

    Oh, Rachael. You make this so clear.

    • Lazycrockett

      Ra figured out the Manafort money laundering real estate shit what? 6 7 months ago?

  • jruffdc

    Can we talk about his stupid t-shirts? Are they meant to make him seem approachable? Fuck him!

    • Sam_Handwitch

      he smells like playdoh

      • jruffdc

        Lol!!!

      • Bryan

        Sorry, that was me. I needed a ball of something or
        Ether soaked rags
        Xanax optional for reasons which should be obvious.

    • safari

      It’s the style for the tech elite. Throw a hoodie on him and the look is complete.

      • jruffdc

        All I see is: no credibility

        • safari

          Different cultures.

    • Tempus Fuggit

      I file his T-shirts with Elton John’s asinine red glasses, or Bono’s equally-dumb blue ones.

      • jruffdc

        Oh God, I hate Bono.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Actually 30-90 day retention policies are more prevalent than Rachel may be aware of.

    • True, but there’s a crucial difference between “We only guarantee retaining communications & certain records for up to 30 days” vs “We destroy irrevocably everything older than 30 days.”

      What I mean is Manafort and Gates didn’t claim they couldn’t provide complete records older than 30 days. They claimed they HAD nothing older than 30 days. Which in a line of business where it can take months to be paid would be ludicrous.

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Well, we can’t blame the Russians for football player Colin Kaepernick suppressing his own vote.

    No Republicans needed, either. Thank you.

  • Tempus Fuggit

    Uh-huh. And meanwhile Douchebro von Zuckerberg simpers about commitment to election integriteee and democraceee and building communitee via Fecebook.

  • gaycuckhubby

    How are y’all spending Indictment night?
    I just poured a glass of Bourbon and about to watch Portland Timbers vs Houston Dynamo in the MLS playoffs.

    • Lazycrockett

      Having a vodka Lemonade and later watching the 1922 silent movie Haxan.

      A hybrid of documentary and fiction, this silent film explores the history of witchcraft, demonology and satanism. It shows representations of evil in a variety of ancient and medieval artworks, offers vignettes illustrating a number of superstitious practices and presents a narrative about the persecution of a woman accused of witchcraft. The film ends by suggesting that the modern science of psychology offers important insight into the beliefs and practices of the past.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I need to have movie night with you! Sounds right up my alley.

        • Lazycrockett

          I figured it is perfect Halloween fare.

        • misterjack

          Me, too! Where did you find that movie?

    • safari

      Watched Rachael. Ate lemon lentil soup with a salad of freshly roasted egg plant, lettuce, tomato, and lemon tahini dressing. I’m finishing it with a fried banana with nutmeg. And xanax.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Delicious!

    • Watching Rachel right now.

    • TuuxKabin

      Hmmm, bourbon.

    • billbear1961
    • OdieDenCO

      watching the bronco fall apart like a web of donny’s lies

      • gaycuckhubby

        Lol

    • William

      I popped another couple Tylenol Cold & Sinus. There’s either crap in the air, or I have a cold that will not go away.

      Buy stock in Puffs.

      • BobSF_94117

        (Sympathetic upvote)

      • JCF

        {{{William}}}

        • William

          Thank you. Mr Sweetness’ bedside manner makes Nurse Rached seem warm and compassionate.

      • johncAtl

        It’s fall allergy season and you’re in Texas with ragweed. I’m buying lots of stock in P&G. (I go through Puffs like crazy)

        • William

          There is not one ragweed plant living on our 2 and 1/2 acres and we are both having the worst symptoms ever. When we first got this place six years ago, the ragweed in the back yard was 8 feet tall.

          • johncAtl

            Put me within 100 miles of ragweed and I’m in pain. I was flying from Kansas City to Atlanta many years ago in the fall on an Eastern (I said many years ago) DC-9. The pain I was feeling during the descent was so bad I was hoping for the plane to crash.I guess I’m glad it didn’t crash, but damn I hate ragweed.

    • edrex

      at local bar w friends watching chiefs and broncos. talking abt manafort et al. drinking local beer.

    • djcoastermark

      With a nice oven roast mojo chicken that’s been marinated overnight, yellow rice, and grilled brussel sprouts. Topped off with a nice bottle of wine and episodes 3 and 4 of Stranger Things. Ah, life is good.

      • gaycuckhubby

        All of that sounds great!
        The show is so good. You won’t be disappointed in this season.

    • SoCalGal20

      I’m going to have a delish salted caramel ice cream bar and I’m watching Lawrence.

      • JCF

        I’ve got a piece of “the best chocolate cake” waiting (but I’m still full from dinner—here in Sacramento).

    • clay

      Poptart and a glass of water. Then meds and beds.

  • JCF
  • JCF

    Rachel plays tape of Manafort’s lawyer. Rachel CRACKS UP! Lolz

    • Immediately labeled as “This is Manafort’s lawyer fishing for a pardon.”

  • fuzzybits
    • worstcultever

      another one I never tire of

  • Michael R
  • boobert

    Rachael said manafort told the investigators he had no records over 30 days. But the raid found all his records. How stupid is he ?

    • BobSF_94117

      Uh… company he keeps kinda question, no?

    • johncAtl

      Somewhere around 99.9999999999% of computer users think that if they deleted a file that it is gone forever. It’s not gone until you take the hard drive out of the computer and beat it with a hammer until it looks like a sheet of aluminum foil.

      • Hue-Man

        The hammer won’t destroy the copy of your files that are permanently stored in the NSA’s super-duper computers in Utah, assuming you’ve ever been on the interwebs or used wi-fi.

        • johncAtl

          In my best Trae Crowder voice….WHUT?

    • Treant

      Very.

      Three can keep a secret…if two of them are dead.

      Also, never write anything down, don’t audio record it anywhere, and definitely don’t trust it to a computer. It must never leave your head until you actually do whatever it is you’ve planned.

  • Blake J Butler
  • DaddyRay
    • johncAtl

      Whut? It’s a good thing I’m fluent in southern redneck

      • DaddyRay

        It’s Halloween and Mueller is handing out full size Justice Bars

        • johncAtl

          Yes. And I think Mueller is playing chess while Trump is playing checkers. And I thought on 11/8 that I might not ever smile again. 🙂

  • Blake J Butler
  • safari

    Happy Devil’s Night everybody.

    I’m going to try to hit the hay.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    All in all, today has been pretty good for a Monday!

  • DesertSun59

    The most telling part of this revelation is that this GOP-dominated Congress will do absolutely NOTHING to hold anyone responsible for the Russians compromising the election. Their man won and that’s all they care about. The entire country can now implode for all they care.

    • DaddyRay

      It would be awesome if the Mueller indictments started to extend to members of Congress

      • johncAtl

        You always say the sweetest things.

      • clay

        Dana, Devin, and Chafetz, obviously.
        Ryan & McConnell for financial entanglements.

    • Treant

      Not unless Dumpy’s approval falls below 30, and it looks like a lot of them may not end up being re-elected. Then they’ll go all “Good of the Country” and get rid of him.

  • Sam_Handwitch
    • djcoastermark

      Hot diggity dawg, that is one scary ‘wich

    • worstcultever

      oh my

    • fuzzybits

      Hot dog!

      • Sam_Handwitch

        Mister Bits!! I love your bride of Frankenstein kitteh!

        https://youtu.be/E81ICJywqwg?t=3

        • fuzzybits

          Thank you. I found her the other day and thought I’d better use it soon.

    • DaddyRay

      Super Dawg – Save Me
      https://i.imgur.com/aeALK7c.gifv

      • clay

        See, this is what tripods are for.

    • -M-

      Kraft time.

  • worstcultever

    My future husband Preet has a lil’ special episode (10 min. or so) – some thoughts and analysis in his succinct fed-prosecutor way about the day’s events

    http://www.wnyc.org/story/special-episode-manafort-gates-papadopoulos

    • johncAtl

      Preet is now filing for a restraining order.

      • worstcultever

        lol – a joke between us – he knows I’m a big old lez 🙂

  • boobert

    Was trump paying for papadopoulos’ lawyer ?

  • SoCalGal20
    • Sam_Handwitch

      very bigly reporting, believe me

    • A number which is two grades lower than it was estimated to be just a year ago.

      His dementia is getting worse by the day.

      • JCF

        Bigly.

    • greenmanTN

      Dude! That’s totes unpossible ‘cause he’s like the Alfred Einstein of business making!

  • Treant

    OT: In honor of the initial money-grubbers arrests, I made amethyst gemstone soap. It’s not my best effort (I’ve never done anything this involved before), but unless you knew what the mistakes were, I doubt you’d notice them. Except the color on some of the lake-with-amethyst that ended up looking a bit toxic; carnation oil is a tad too yellow-orange for this task.

    Leftover shards got dropped into their own little guest soap to look like gem shards at the bottom of a lake (second photo).

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b37c1b3b55c80c78b3fab01c5e4eaf1e168406d5bf38d626e9d7d180d8a9280.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/747769c3226a40038ade80434f78cadb2506bc183143475030c032fcbdbc0671.jpg

    • Damn those are beautiful

      • Treant

        Thanks! I’ve got sapphire and gold guest soaps in the form now, this time not using a yellow, cloudy oil, but using a lot of gold (iron pyrite) dust instead.

    • TuuxKabin

      Very nice! The procedure you went for today? All’s well?/

      • Treant

        Oh! Yeah, we have to wait at least six weeks to decide on surgery. The swelling isn’t down from the insert procedure, so it may just be that I’m not healed yet and not getting the full advantage.

        We’ll re-determine things on January second.

        • TuuxKabin

          Gads. Hope you’re not bothered by it much more and it’s ‘corrected’ soon.
          Happy Halloween!

    • fuzzybits

      I was just looking at some amethyst and citrine the other day. Those turned out nice. I have a huge piece of rose quartz. That would make a cool looking soap.

    • djcoastermark

      I like, I like.

    • houstonray

      I love the amethyst crystals. Those are so cool. One of my favorite crystals. Have never seen it done as soap. I might have missed it, what scent are they?

      • Treant

        Lavender, a dash of musk, and a hint of amber.

        The new sapphire ones (photos probably tomorrow, they need to set up) is Ocean Breeze, with a bit of lemon essential oil and a dash of rose geranium essential oil.

        • houstonray

          Lavender musk and amber, I bet that smells lovely! Good job!

    • BobSF_94117

      I have to tell you, I’m getting seriously annoyed at all your productive hobbies.

      • Treant

        We’re coming into winter, it’s only going to get worse.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Those really are gorgeous! Very nice.
      And amethyst is this little Dino’s birthstone.

    • Dazzer

      I love being part of a community where there are such magnificently creative and talented people like you.
      To be honest, it takes the pressure off. I can look at something like that, think: “I’ll never be that good”, and happily reach for the wine bottle while you do all the heavy lifting.

    • Dazzer

      I love being part of a community where there are such magnificently creative and talented people like you.
      To be honest, it takes the pressure off. I can look at something like that, think: “I’ll never be that good”, and happily reach for the wine bottle while you do all the heavy lifting.

  • JCF

    David Frum: “We’ve tried to talk to Republican legislators, but they all seem to have forgotten how to use the phone”

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vx0Z5Bh3lC0/UO8hXV8emYI/AAAAAAAAFkE/rt_bFm4bySE/s1600/michelle-obama-laughing.gif

    • bJason

      FSM I miss this family!

  • Ross
    • JCF

      “Merry Christmas”, Drumpf!

      • DaddyRay

        See, Trump has us saying Merry Christmas

  • fuzzybits
    • Treant

      Kitty’s gettin’ the ASMRs.

      • johncAtl

        Three seconds later kitty killed the human. One stroke too many.

        • Treant

          Mine never got to that point. In fact, the vacuum cleaner would come out and he wouldn’t let me alone until I used the brush hand tool to vacuum him thoroughly. Even so, he’d follow me, expectantly, while I cleaned the rugs.

          • johncAtl

            Of course he did. Less licking and no hairballs.

          • Natty Enquirer

            My cats were deathly afraid of the vacuum kitty eater cleaner.

    • billbear1961
      • johncAtl

        You’ll have to wait. PickyPecker has already gone to bed.

        • billbear1961

          Special AGENT Picky P, John!

          • johncAtl

            Or YeOldePicky, or whatever. He’s having an identity crisis. Which is why he fits in here at JMG so well.

      • JCF

        Hope that was a Critter Cam…cuz if not, the photographer was LUNCH!

        • johncAtl

          Bill is hungry when he wakes up.

          • clay

            Sounds like good news from Claude. 😉

  • greenmanTN
  • johncAtl

    Video has been leaked from the White House showing the scene moments after
    George Papadopoulos’ guilty plea was announced.

    http://www.bulledecaladhiel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Peur.gif

    • DaddyRay

      So pretty much like any other day at the White House

  • boobert

    ty cobb said trump was focused today and showed no anger. Sure, Jan !

    • Treant

      He lost me at “focused,” ’cause that would be a first.

    • clay

      But why would the White House’s Russian Collusion lawyer be the one announcing that? Surely, if that statement were true, the President would have met with a large number of people working on the Budget and the Tax Guts, and then there’s the normal daily operations. Meanwhile, the Chief of Staff, the one who’d really know, says otherwise.

  • BlindBill

    Face book needs to list the Joined Facebook date next to each user’s name the Russian trolls and fake users would be easier to identify, report, and have deleted

    • DaddyRay

      This would help – I know when we would get trolls showing up here, I would look to see how long they had been member

  • Treant

    OT: For Hallowe’en…

    https://youtu.be/N1kD_Q0Lv6k

    • greenmanTN

      Unsurprisingly, I love that song.

  • Hue-Man

    I bet the Papadopoulos plea deal has more serious repercussions than the showy Monafort indictments. The public information is scary enough but Mueller has been working actively with him for three months to develop new leads and connections. The double whammy of the plea deal/indictments must have even Trump lawyers looking for legal representation!

    • SoCalGal20

      If Papadopoulos was wearing a wire as speculated that’s very bad. Even without that, the indictment confirms the campaign was interested in meeting with the Russians.

      • johncAtl

        If he was wearing a wire then it shows that Mueller is a master conductor. Do the obvious arrest first, and then release the unexpected.

    • It does. And Rachel asked before what the reason might be for unsealing both the Manafort/Gate indictments at the same time as the Papadopoulos guilty plea.

      I think it’s to make the indictment the shiny object. Papa’s plea has much, much larger implications.

      • Oh, also, as a message to the lower-level campaign participants and WH staffers: “Hi, we’re the FBI. If you COOPERATE, even if you were in on the conspiracy, here’s the kind of deal you could potentially get. Tiny fine and maybe even no jail time. But only if you flip for us right now, before the Christmas rush!”

  • SoCalGal20

    Well. It seems Gen Kelly just confirmed Trump is being investigated (something the adminiatration has denied).

    https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/925183292072255494

  • Ross

    If you missed Rachel tonight.

    Enjoy:
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKt4IFe0B-Y

  • billbear1961
  • Sam_Handwitch
    • Treant

      He’s been stealing invisibility powder from Professor Snape for decades.

      He had to go.

  • Lazycrockett

    Someone has really fucked up Ari’s eyelashes.

  • SoCalGal20
    • johncAtl

      Whut?

    • Sam_Handwitch

      at least Dotard had the grace to reveal his character over the course of decades. Kelly has killed his in a matter of weeks

    • BobSF_94117

      You get to keep half your slaves?

      • I think he’s saying the United States should’ve allowed the southern states to continue owning slaves forever.

        Now we know why Kelly’s DHS / ICE / CBP have been such shits towards undocumented immigrants. He’s a racist.

    • Cuberly Deux

      His word of mouth “sane one” marketing isn’t holding up.

    • Lazycrockett

      Yeah why didn’t we just have part time slavery?!?

    • JCF
    • billbear1961

      Sounds like his Fearless Leader.

      “They were good people on the slavery side!”

    • (((face palm)))

      The Missouri Goddamned Compromise.

      It perpetuated slavery. There is no ‘compromise’ more vile than accepting the premise that some human beings can be OWNED by other human beings.

    • BobSF_94117

      I bet he’s got a great idea about how we can solve this illegitimate president problem, real compromise-y…

  • JCF

    Lawrence O’Donnell’s legal analyst, Joyce Vance: “this indictment has something for everyone…it’s like a drug deal”

    https://media.giphy.com/media/rQEcJ8fheOfbG/giphy.gif

    • denbear00

      I immediately heard Steffan from SNL.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Did Kelkey just admit that Trump is currently, personally under investigation?
    https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/925183292072255494

    • Treant

      Yes, but Kelly’s so crazypants that it literally could be a slip of the tongue. Trump almost certainly is under investigation, but I doubt strongly that they’d have told Kelly.

    • If this tweet finds its way into Donald’s feed, he’ll blow a gasket. Or another one at any rate.

    • BobSF_94117

      Someone ate all the candy corn at today’s WH holiday event.

      • clay

        I was hoping that someone was sparking Turmp with the sugar-free gummi bears.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Ok. We now have to admit that Kelley is as racist as the rest of them…

    https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/925188350205710336

    • Treant

      His integrity level seems to have a half-life shorter than most radioactive substances…

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Notice none of them who say this EVER want to be slaves themselves. They’d never compromise on THEIR freedom if they were in chains and their children sold.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        How would this have gone over as a compromise in 1860:
        “Okay, since each of you counts as 3/5ths of a person, you get to be the slave masters, and we the slaves, for 3/5ths of each year.”

      • -M-

        They call welfare, taxes and public anything slavery or worse than slavery, but actual slavery they’re strangely ok with. 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • DaddyRay
    • Further word is that whenever Bannon gets to talk to Donald, which is often, he’s trying to wind him up, make him more angry and crazy.

    • SoCalGal20

      I guess it’s not very secret now that the Daily Beast is on it.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I want the Mercers to go down because they’d take this walking fatty liver down with them.

      • BobSF_94117

        I want them to go down because they’re a threat to the republic.

    • clay

      I’m sorry, but this is too fucking stupid. It’s within the budget cycle; they only people with authority over that are the House and the FBI, not the president!

  • gaycuckhubby
  • SoCalGal20

    Uh…more on Kelly’s thoughts on the Civil War from his hot mess of an interview on Fox!

    https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/925188213718863873

    • The motherfucker left his plantation, where he owned slaves, to fight for the right to own human beings.

      • Lazycrockett

        Honorably

      • BobSF_94117

        But he was such a natty dresser!

    • JCF
    • johncAtl

      A caller on Thom Hartmann’s show today asked him if we were headed for a military coup. Thom said he hadn’t thought about it, but Trump has put several former generals in key positions in his administration.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        As an aside, it makes me appreciate that general who considered the job then went “I’m out!” before taking it.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        In the back of my mind, I had thought a military coup might’ve been an acceptable Plan B, given the desperate state of the nation. I assumed top military brass would be smart, loyal, rational, patriotic and all that good stuff.
        But as it turns out, Zookeeper Kelley is every bit as un-American and traitorous as the shitgibbon under his care.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Remember two weeks ago when we thought he was doing the country a favor by babysitting Trump?

      This is straight up white nationalism/nativism

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I think we should just assume that he wishes he could do terrible things to people like Delphine LaLaurie did. I know I use this phrase too often but they keep saying things that make me wish the cops would let the cadaver dogs loose around their houses.

    • Cuberly Deux

      And Bannon left the WH……nope.

    • Sam_Handwitch

      maybe they’re putting roofies in the donuts

    • Treant
    • Lazycrockett

      Not that it needs to be repeated but they are all fucking racist.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Not much difference between Kelly and Bannon. Both stinkin’ ugly white supremacists.

    • BobSF_94117

      It’s sort of a pep-talk to the troops before the rebellion they keep hoping for.

    • -M-

      Yeah, that’s called treason. You’d want your generals to know that.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      He’d probably tweet that he was going to choke people with his bare hands. I’m actually surprised one of them hasn’t flipped out yet and gotten physical with someone.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Wait! You mean he was lying when he said his ban would only last a token three hours!!?

    • Stone and Manafort were business partners, once.

      I’d say chances are good that Manafort was told on Friday that he was about to be indicted. That’s the day Stone went apeshit on Twitter.

      Give anything to know if by chance Paulie Walnuts made a few calls after he got the news.

      Or, could just be coincidence and Stone, who’s nuts but not stupid, made the obvious conclusion that he was One Degree of Kevin Bacon away from being indicted himself. After all, HE claimed foreknowledge in early August 2016 that the hacked emails included Podestas.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Too bad we couldn’t come up with a compromise on fucking slavery.

    This Administration is in deep rot.

  • SoCalGal20
    • johncAtl

      Quick…..everyone who has a Twitter account tweet #CheckForWires to donnie.

    • Literally the only thing Ryan cares about is tax cuts for the rich. ONLY that.

    • gaycuckhubby

      What are they going to do, talk about how many judges they can push through for the next indictment?
      Seriously what are people expecting out of this meeting? Ryan will never stand up to Trump.

      • SoCalGal20

        Well I’m sure Ryan wants to talk about taxes!

        And I’m pretty nobody expects Ryan to stand up to Trump.

  • johncAtl

    I have a Tivo so I’m 10 minutes behind on Lawrence…. but damn Paul Ryan is, in the immortal words of Roger Stone, an asswipe.

  • gaycuckhubby
  • NZArtist
    • Treant

      His lawyers have his hands stapled to the table.

      Honestly, give the guy ten minutes more and he’ll admit to Russian involvement and head for Moscow.

      • NZArtist

        Today I’m having difficulty containing my glee.

        • DaddyRay

          I think it was the first time I smiled while getting a rear molar crowned at the dentist this evening

          • Treant

            So he was deep inside your mouth. I’d say that counts.

          • TuuxKabin

            ’cause ya’ thrills me when you drills me and I don’t need no Novocaine today.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I’m surprised he hasn’t taken someone else’s phone.

        • Treant

          That’s hard to do when your hands are stapled to the table.

          • fuzzybits

            Those poor tiny hands!

          • Adam King

            Think of the poor staples!

    • I think someone’s wrestled his phone away from him. Truly.

      • clay

        and Kellyanne’s iPhone, and the interns’ laptops, and . . .

  • fuzzybits
  • Paula

    Fuck Mark Zuckerberg! Complicit!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Totes O/T, but only because she’s just being such a dingleberry….

    https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/925199619864264704

    FYI, I used those hashtags only to piss her off.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      …and as always, my buddy Dave and fellow Canuck, comes up with the zinger….

      https://twitter.com/DaveWeasel/status/923343611357302784

      • johncAtl

        Whut?

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Dave Weasel is a Canadian living in L.A. He’s a comedian and friend who always has the best zingers when it comes to slamming cupid stunts like Tomi Lahren.

    • johncAtl

      Twenty years ago I had a job where I was traveling internationally. I would get the newspapers the hotels put out every day and I was usually 7-8 pages in before there was any mention of the U.S. I don’t think the rest of the world has viewed the U.S. President as the leader of the free world for many years.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        If I’m being honest, we never did. That was just something Americans told themselves to feel superior I suppose. As many of us would always say: “When exactly did that election take place?” While we do love our American friends, there is a segment of U.S. citizens who foolishly believe the tropes about “being number 1”, “being unbeatable”, etc. The world knows better, as do sane Americans…then again, they’re the ones who bravely venture beyond their own borders and we are most happy to see them when they do.

        • Lazycrockett

          Its really strange cause if you don’t carry the “America is number 1” water even some educated liberals will give you a side eye.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            True enough. I’ve encountered it, though only a couple of times. Again, while the U.S. has done great things and deserves its place as a great nation, it is not the only one by far. Thankfully, more Americans (those who travel) are discovering this truth for themselves…and that’s a good thing.

          • Mikey

            so basically.. America is pee?
            that DOES explain a lot about how Trump became your presidunce.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Bahahahahahahaha

          • johncAtl

            It’s much more complicated than that, but it’s a factor.

            The standards for education in the U.S. have lagged behind the rest of the world for years. Betsy DeVos is going to make sure we are number one…..at being the least educated country on Earth.

        • johncAtl

          USA! USA! USA!

          Yeah, I cringe every time I hear that.

          • fuzzybits

            Where’s that damn flag pin!?

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            LOL

          • JCF

            I only say it ironically.*

            * Except for the Women’s Soccer Team (hey, I’m human. ;-/)

          • johncAtl

            There are exceptions to every rule. For example, the rule says I should not have another glass of wine. I say too late. I already poured it.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Rapinoe should be President of everything

        • Adam King

          Canadians are nice. Very, very…nice. Yessiree. Nice. Yep.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Well, again, if I’m being honest, we can be snarky and rude at times as well. We have our moments, though they do tend to be few and far between.

          • Mikey

            interspersed with lots of “eh”s and “ya know” and “aboot”s (we do NOT say “aboot” by the way )

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            No, we certainly do not.

            You also forget “Fuck yeah buddy”

          • johncAtl

            Not in Quebec at least.

          • Adam King

            Whenever I start to think there’s not a shred of decency left in the human heart, I face north and take a few deep breaths.

          • johncAtl

            Oh stop. You’re just lusting after Justin. And get in line. 🙂

        • William

          I was in Europe right after W was reelected. Everywhere I went, people demanded that I explain how it had happened. Eventually I told people I was from Canada. There was never a followup question.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Yeah, that does happen…but whatever you do, don’t pull that with us Canucks when we’re abroad, we tend to get annoyed by it…at least until we talk to you to ascertain that you’re “one of the good ones”, then we’re good. LOL

          • William

            I’d never pass as Canadian to an actual Canadian.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Most Americans can’t. While we’re close neighbors, the fact is we have very different cultural tells. We’re not quite as boisterous and we tend to be overly polite as a rule. Add to that our language, which is more English than yours. Spelling is another give away as is basic knowledge of our country. I’m sometimes rather amused that some U.S. tourists who feign being Canadian think you can drive from Toronto in the morning and get to Vancouver by lunch time. That one always kills me.

          • William

            I know geography and how to blend in. It’s the Texas accent that blows it. At best I can switch to an unspecified middle European accent.

          • JCF
          • Lazycrockett

            “I got a mandate.”

            fucking idiot.

          • clay

            Do you not have a Texas accent?

          • William

            A lot of people who have a different first language can’t pick up on regional English accent. I’ve met Germans and Czechs who can’t tell if a person is British or American by listening to them.

            I do have a Texas accent but it changes if I’m someplace else.

      • Talisman

        We’ve always bullied the other countries to do things our way. And the ignorant among us think that makes us a strong leader.

        In truth, few nations have the military might or political will to stand against us, so they follow along.

        A bully is still a bully.

  • Ninja0980

    Well, the hubby and I are all set for tomorrow night.
    Four bags of candy ready to go for all the kiddies that invade our doorstep.

    • fuzzybits

      I was bad,I opened the bags of candy and dipped.

      • Ninja0980

        Same here.

      • Adam King

        It’s very important to test it extensively and repeatedly ahead of time to make sure it’s yummy.

      • Lazycrockett

        Gotta make sure their aren’t razors or poison in them.

      • DaddyRay

        I was really bad and ate all the candy and have to pick up more on the way home from work tomorrow

        • fuzzybits

          Good thing we’re five minutes from Kroger and Giant Eagle.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Bet you ate all the good stuff, and left that nasty candy corn for the kids.

        • fuzzybits

          Naw.

      • bJason

        I have gotten in the habit of only buying candy to give out that I don’t like. I can’t resist this very thing otherwise!

    • Sam_Handwitch

      hubs and i are lucky to go to my oldest friend’s place and sit on the front porch for usually about 300 kids trick or treatin .

      • fuzzybits

        Years ago I was with an old friend at her parents house for Halloween. She dressed as a dead bride and the kids were scared to death to come and get candy from her.

      • johncAtl

        Is 300 a good thing or a bad thing?

        • Adam King

          As long as it’s not in my neighborhood I’m all for it.

        • clay

          300 is eye candy, but also fascist re-writing of history.

    • DaddyRay

      Some of my fondest memories from Halloween as a kid were me and my younger brother spending hours trick or treating. We had a very strategic plan. First we went north (that is where the good candy was) and bring it back home. We would then go west, then east and then if we were tired (or there was bad weather, we would go to the select good houses to the south. We also knew the houses that wouldn’t buy enough candy and hand out quarters and dimes when the candy was gone so we hit them up later in the evening.

      • Ninja0980

        Same here.
        My brothers and I would go through the entire neighborhood and end up with two to three bags of candy each.
        Those were the days.

        • DaddyRay

          Indeed, and we were able to do it on our own – no parental escorts. I think my parents might get arrested today for letting us do that being as young as we were.

          • Ninja0980

            Same here.
            Of course, we knew enough to stay off the roads too.

          • DaddyRay

            It did take us a few years to figure out our parents were going through the candy we were getting and picking out the good stuff

          • DaddyRay

            I reminded my mom of that a few years back when I was taking her to get her new dentures refitted

          • Ninja0980

            Same here.
            Eventually we made sure to get the sweetarts, skittles and carmellos for ourselves first

          • DaddyRay

            I loved the homemade popcorn balls and caramel apples – I was not a big fan of liquorish or sweetarts

          • Ninja0980

            Carmel apple fan here as well.

          • DaddyRay

            Back off – it’s mine!!

      • Adam King

        In my town the grownups had little bonfires at some of the intersections with marshmallows on sticks and paper cups with cider and inconspicuous friendly policemen to keep an eye on things.

      • bJason

        My siblings, cousins, and I would spend weeks making 3 to 4 costumes each for the day. We would go around the “mill village” where my grandmother lived, return to her house, dump our loot, change costumes, and go out again. We were even clever enough to split into groups and switch up the groups each time we went out. We had to do this because everyone knew everyone in the neighborhood and we could more easily have been discovered all together. I feel pretty confident that most didn’t catch on because the majority of them (god-botherers ALL) would have yelled at us for the sin of greed.

        HAPPY HALLOWEEN to all!
        Tricks and Treats

    • Talisman

      Not me…lights out, no candy. It’s not that I dislike Halloween…my experience with the kids in this town is that they are greedy, evil creatures, and none of them deserve anything except a stern “get off my lawn!”

      • DaddyRay

        I didn’t wast time at dark houses, some kids would still go up an ring the doorbell. If the door did end up getting answered it was always by a bumpy old person who either yelled or gave crappy candy. Total waste of time

        • DaddyRay

          Back then I figured every house had candy but some just didn’t want to give it up which I actually kind of understood – I wouldn’t want to give away my candy

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          We’d shine our flashlights into the darkened windows to expose the cheapskates peeking out through the blinds who wanted us to think no one was home.

          • DaddyRay

            Now I realize it is old farts like me who don’t want to take my time away from Rachelle Maddow and answer the door for kids who don’t know how to say thank you

          • Talisman

            Honestly, a lot of the reason that I don’t do Halloween is because I think the porch is unsafe. I live in a house converted into a duplex, and there is no light in the entry way or on the porch itself. It’s just too dangerous, and I really don’t want to get sued.

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            I guess I/we grew up in less litigious times.

    • greenmanTN

      I was so INCENSED that we had to go to school on the day of Halloween, that it wasn’t a national holiday.

      • DaddyRay

        I know right, at least give us a half day so we could get more trick or treat time in

  • JCF

    I haven’t thought of this song in a year!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXrJdOD5syo

    • William

      Tja, aber dann gewöhnt ich mich dran
      Und ich sah es ein

      Davon geht die Welt nicht unter
      Sieht man sie manchmal auch grau
      Einmal wird sie wieder bunter
      Einmal wird sie wieder himmelblau
      Geht mal drüber und mal drunter
      Wenn uns der Schädel auch graut
      Davon geht die Welt nicht unter
      Sie wird ja noch gebraucht
      Davon geht die Welt nicht unter
      Sie wird ja noch gebraucht

    • greenmanTN
  • TimCA

    Trump hits his worst Gallup polling numbers since inauguration. This is based on a three day average ending yesterday the 29th.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

    • DaddyRay

      Looking forward to the fallout when he gets under 30% approval

    • SoCalGal20

      Love it!

      Oh, are you going to be down my way anytime soon?

      • TimCA

        I’m now back home. Dinner? 🙂

        • SoCalGal20

          Haha not tonight. 🙂

          • TimCA

            Oops. I should have been more clear. Wasn’t thinking about tonight as I had already eaten. I should be around for the next few weeks before having to leave again for up north. 🙂

          • SoCalGal20

            Ah yes! We should get together sometime in the next week or two then! 🙂

          • TimCA

            Oops. I should have been more clear. Wasn’t thinking about tonight as I had already eaten. I should be around for the next few weeks before having to leave again for up north. 🙂

    • Sam_Handwitch

      Most of the polls have been bottoming out

    • greenmanTN

      When the shark bites
      With its teeth, dear
      It keeps them pearly white!

  • Talisman

    If these really are the first drops that lead to the fall of the dumpster, do you all think Pence will get swept out in the tsunami?

    And will that lead to a Ryan Presidency? And what will a Ryan administration look like?

    I think on one hand, Ryan won’t really care about repealing LGBT rights. I do think he’ll stack the courts with pro-birth justices that support his Randian vision that privatizes and dismantles governmental services and entitlements.

    But he is such a snake, I’m not really sure what we should expect.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I wish we could flip the house so the Speaker would be Nancy Pelosi then kick out Pence. That way we’d still get our first woman President in our lifetimes and a Dem one.

      • Adam King

        …who could appoint Clinton VP and then resign.

      • JCF

        We CAN flip the House!!!!

        dncc.org

    • Treant

      We’re in a fox guarding the henhouse state right now; only if the Republicans decide to prosecute themselves will they be prosecuted.

      Frankly, I think we’ll go into a full-fledged Constitutional crisis before that happens and we’re in a holding pattern until at least November of 2018. Even after that, they’ve programmed their voters to mindlessly support them and they’ll keep doing so.

      • Talisman

        The repuglicants will only act if the dumpster’s antics endanger their reelection chances. Unfortunately, the districts have been so badly gerrymandered that they will be safe even if the dumpster self-destructs, so I doubt they will ever act.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Sam_Handwitch

      i’m so sick of this haywire bullshit

    • JCF

      http://replygif.net/i/468.gif

      May I say that Chelsea tweets much better than she speaks?

    • As I’ve said many times now, the Missouri Compromise was just about as bad.

  • Leo
    • johncAtl

      It’s probably been five years… I told my oldest brother at Thanksgiving dinner at my sister’s house that he needed to listen to something other than Fox News. When he was leaving he made a point of telling me that he would still be watching Fox News. I haven’t seen him since then. And I don’t care if I ever do again.

    • Bryan

      I haven’t seen such lips since Clutch Cargo. Yikes.

    • Bryan

      I haven’t seen such lips since Clutch Cargo. Yikes.

    • TuuxKabin
    • clay

      Don’t you think he looks puffier than usual? Is he panic eating? Finding it difficult to sleep? Bloating?

      Good.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT but maybe not: Professors & scientists talk about why people claim to see ghosts.

    https://gizmodo.com/why-do-people-see-ghosts-1819915290

    I think a lot of it is due to sleep paralysis, partly because I’ve had an episode or two where I’d see this creepy thing I’d try to scare away with telling it to go away but being unable to manage above a whisper. So I’m always sympathetic to the fear & the frustration but really think a lot of hauntings/UFO abduction stories centered around the bedroom is due to this.

    Besides sleep paralysis and infrasound, there’s also talk about pareidolia and the hard-wired fear reaction and the need to believe.

    • greenmanTN

      I don’t believe in ghosts but I like the idea of them. I even collect ghost/horror short story collections. I wish they did exist because it would make the world a more interesting place. I’ve known people whom I considered intelligent and sane who’ve told me about some supernatural experience they’ve had. In fact I love it when people tell me those things, sometimes slyly nudge the conversation in that direction.

      It isn’t that I don’t believe THEM, but it doesn’t effect my belief or non-belief at all; I wasn’t there so how can I possibly know what they saw and if there might have been alternate explanations for it?

      • greenmanTN

        Not kidding about the ghost/horror story collections. This was just a quick grab, enough to cover a small table. The older the better obviously, and once you add in the paperbacks I have what I think you call a shit-ton.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1295ad89e85b9415880838046f19d5d9e78c8256cef730670cf5d9cde1121e5a.jpg

      • Talisman

        13 Alabama Ghosts and Jeffrey.

        • greenmanTN

          The woman who wrote those came to my elementary school several times. I don’t have any of them but IIRC she wrote them about several Southern states and of course about living with her resident ghost, Jeffrey.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        They’re interesting and I enjoy spooky, non-gore porn horror movies. One of my favorite Youtube series is Buzzfeed Unsolved Supernatural, which is more funny than scary where a believer and a skeptic bicker a bit like Mulder & Scully.

        I think if someone has them on an repeated basis like weekly and wanted to see if it was real, I would suggest they deck out the room with motion sensors that would turn on a video camera or even use a security camera setup that would record all night so they could see whether or not something was there.

        • greenmanTN

          Re: horror porn, my ex and I stayed in a B&B in SF, one of the grand old painted ladies owned by a gay man. Not long after the trip I was watching some Falcon smut film made in that very place, about a horny ghost in this old house. Not a big deal really, until they got to the scene in the kitchen and all I could think was THE BUTCHER BLOCK THEY ARE FUCKING ON IS WHERE MY BREAKFAST WAS MADE!!! (The porn flick predated my eating food prepared on that surface.)

          That was actually the 2nd place we stayed, the other was in LA, I later saw as the setting for gay porn.

        • Yes, and also, have someone else watch the video too to lessen the effect of confirmation bias.

  • PolymathLevel8

    Another distraction from the reason democrats lost. The leadership are in partnership with globalist finance to import cheap labor. The base are oblivious, hypnotized with cliches like diversity and multiculturalism, and with decades of contempt for working people. Now they are name-calling in full cry, where everyone to the right of Bernie is a white supremacist.
    If anyone had told me six months ago that the left would go off the cliff, I would not have believed it. And it is very sad.

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      First time I’ve blocked an idiot on their first post. Bye, loser.

      • johncAtl

        I’m like a cat with a mouse. I like to play with them first.

        • medaka

          Check out its wacky comment history. Yikes, it’s been here before.

          • Adam King

            I can’t be troubled to bother.

          • TuuxKabin

            I can’t got time for that.

          • TuuxKabin

            I can’t got time for that.

    • JCF
    • Treant

      I hear Moscow is pretty cold in November. True, not true?

    • worstcultever
    • greenmanTN

      Wow. I’ve heard of a Troll-farm but never of a Troll sheltered workshop. Ya live, ya learn.

      • UrsusArctos 🐻

        Looks like ESL Troll sheltered workshops are a thing too.

    • BobSF_94117

      You know who’s responsible for the closer ties today’s Dems have to corporations? The rank and file. Too many dim people fell for Reagan’s lies and stopped supporting the Democratic Party. You can’t blame the pols for struggling to stay in the game.

    • johncAtl

      Hello Roger. It’s good to see you found another place to rant after Twitter banned you.

    • Although your “polymath” may be at Level 18, your English is perhaps — third year at best — with the help of Google Translate. I have no idea what your native tongue is, perhaps Russian or some other Slavic language. “And it is very sad?” As your closing sentence? LOL.

    • Lazycrockett

      Just fyi Russians make more money on Chaturbate than at a troll farm.

      • johncAtl

        There are some hot Russians on Chat……..ur, social media.

      • edrex

        duh!

      • pj

        you are so helpful.

    • Talisman

      The Democrats did not lose – Clinton won by nearly 3 million votes. It’s only the outdated electoral system that gave the win to the dumpster. In the districts he did win, it’s likely the victory is only due to the fact that they repuglicants gerrymandered the districts and suppressed likely Democratic voters. And that’s even assuming that the Russians didn’t outright hack the voting machines.

    • Polymath is really Russian Spy Boris Badenov! That No-goodnik! He is trying to infiltrate this blog with goof gas!
      https://youtu.be/UUWJWRn5m6E

      • (taunt, block, moving on…)

    • Barry William Teske

      Wow.
      You single handedly show yourself as being comically bewigged.
      Come out, come out, whoever you are…

    • pj

      milo…is that you?

  • Ross
  • gaycuckhubby
    • andrew

      Bernice King is a homophobic bigot. Read up on her alliance with the now deceased Bishop Eddie Long. They led demonstrations against marriage equality in the USA and went as far as New Zealand to help defeat a gay civil union bill there. Read up on her sermons and you will see the mind of a homophobe. One of her uglier quotes was when she said her father “did not take a bullet for same-sex marriage.”

      • JCF

        Ugh. I was sure you meant MLK’s niece Alveda King (who is a heinous homophobe), but Google proved your quote. I’m really disappointed.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Deeply ironic, considering her dad worked closely with Bayard Rustin.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Deeply ironic, considering her dad worked closely with Bayard Rustin.

      • JCF

        Ugh. I was sure you meant MLK’s niece Alveda King (who is a heinous homophobe), but Google proved your quote. I’m really disappointed.

    • JackNasty

      Rev. Bernice King gave up any moral authority on civil rights she inherited from her late father the moment she first signed onto political campaigns to deny gay Americans the freedom to marry.

      • Robincho

        If by “Rev.” you mean “Revolting” then yes…

  • fuzzybits

    Some Halloween music. https://youtu.be/91lgRi1tTrA

    • Sam_Handwitch

      thanks for posting

      no idea who she is, but really cool singing

    • sdnative1958

      Diamanda and I used to hang out together in San Diego – she’s a native like I am. Good times. : )

      • fuzzybits

        That’s cool. I know she is a San Diego native.

      • fuzzybits

        That’s cool. I know she is a San Diego native.

    • sdnative1958

      Diamanda and I used to hang out together in San Diego – she’s a native like I am. Good times. : )

  • JCF
  • Aravosis has a theory, and oddly enough I think he’s right:
    https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/925209153395707904

  • Ninja0980

    Time to turn the clocks back soon…bleh.

    • Silver Badger

      Time to get that extra hour, yea.

    • Talisman

      It’ll be so much fun when it’s dark at 3pm. Not.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, if nothing else it’s a pain because I’ve found myself locked out of the house more then once during this time of year.
        The minute the sun goes down, the hubby locks all of the doors which is a pain in the butt come winter time.

        • johncAtl

          Text him that you saw some spiders in the house today. He’ll run out and forget about the doors. At least I would.

        • easygoingmister

          I would always be locked out.

        • clay

          Wait, you don’t keep the doors locked during the day?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      When do we travel backwards in time?

      • Silver Badger

        Saturday night.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          I would have missed that. Completely off my radar!

          • Adam King

            I just wait until the computer disagrees with the clocks, then reset the clocks.

          • clay

            There are these things; they’re called “calendars”.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      I thought that happened last November :/

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        That was when voters turned the clocks back half a century.

        • JCF

          At least.

        • JCF

          At least.

    • johncAtl

      At my age I look forward to being one hour younger. Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close up.

  • RevDan

    Boycotting Facebook isn’t the answer, nor bashing Zuckerberg. Over one BILLION users are on Facebook and it’s very easy to get around platforms and post things through 3rd parties, etc. In fact, it’s amazing that Facebook can actually tally how many Russian operatives there were. The problem is, and always has been Russia/Putin: as a former head of the KGB, Putin has more resources than anyone could imagine.
    We know that Russia/Putin tried to influence the election – the extent of that influence is not as important as to WHO knew it during the campaign. It all goes back to Manafort, Stone, Gates, Flynn, Junior, Kushner and (probably) The Donald: they were all greedy and power-hungry enough to take whatever help they could get. Putin knew that offering that help would put Trump in his pocket, since cronyism is Trump’s middle name.

    • johncAtl

      Nope. Facebook, Twitter, etc. use analytic software that gives them insight into what their platforms are being used for. Facebook knew that there was an inordinate number of postings coming from Russia that were anti-Hillary. They did nothing about it.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Look at his profile.

        • johncAtl

          I did. He shares DNA with Michele (one ‘L’) Bachmann.

      • RevDan

        You may be right, but what COULD they have done about it? Could they in any way have censured the postings? Maybe they could have alerted the DC of what was happening, but even so, nothing would have come of it.

        • johncAtl

          Yes, they could have censured the postings. And for a company of their size that’s as simple as having a pop-up dialog that warns the user that the content they are about to view may be compromised.The reason they, and Twitter, and Google/Youtube don’t is revenue. None of those companies charge for their service. Because their users are actually the product they’re selling.

        • johncAtl

          Yes, they could have censured the postings. And for a company of their size that’s as simple as having a pop-up dialog that warns the user that the content they are about to view may be compromised.The reason they, and Twitter, and Google/Youtube don’t is revenue. None of those companies charge for their service. Because their users are actually the product they’re selling.

      • RevDan

        You may be right, but what COULD they have done about it? Could they in any way have censured the postings? Maybe they could have alerted the DC of what was happening, but even so, nothing would have come of it.

    • Cuberly Deux

      “Boycotting Facebook isn’t the answer,”

      “… it’s amazing that Facebook can actually tally how many Russian operatives there were.”

      Your trollish naeivete is as fresh as your disqus account.

  • edrex

    fyi. if y’all not watching, charlie rose is on target tonight.

  • Well now, this is an interesting development.
    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/925144729548935169
    https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/923078894634270720

    Five days ago. After the guilty plea had been entered but not yet unsealed. Papadope could not have traveled anywhere internationally without FBI permission and a formal waiver.

    As Ms. Cadwalladr notes, he took his photo in front of Harrods. A very popular stop for tourists.

    And literally about 3 minutes walk away from…the Ecuadorian embassy. Where a certain Russia-loyal rapist is hiding in a closet.

    Five days ago was the exact same day Assange, for reasons unknown, posted a tweet in which he said he was approached by Cambridge Analytica before Nov ’16 but further claims Wikileaks rejected the overture. (Not sure whether to believe it or not.)

    So, is there a chance the FBI deliberately sent Papadopoulos, wearing a wire, to London for this and/or other meetings to collect more dirt?

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      If he actually got good stuff and continued to cooperate, I’d actually be Ok with him spending only a short time in a Club Fed type prison in return for this especially if it got Dump closer to the pokey.

      As an aside, I heard Pamela Anderson visits Assange from time to time. I have no idea why she thinks this is a good idea.

      • Mikey

        she’s an idiot?

      • Mikey

        she’s an idiot?

    • Bryan

      He looks chipper in the photo.

    • Bryan

      He looks chipper in the photo.

    • boobert

      If he delivers the goods, he won’t get one minute in jail . Now THAT’S how you make amends !

    • boobert

      If he delivers the goods, he won’t get one minute in jail . Now THAT’S how you make amends !

    • coram nobis

      There was another Papadopoulos who was our man in Athens in the 1960s, another Saigon.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Papadopoulos

    • coram nobis

      There was another Papadopoulos who was our man in Athens in the 1960s, another Saigon.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Papadopoulos

  • safari

    *wakes up*
    *checks JMG*
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/925193491445112832
    *closes laptop*

    • edrex

      good people on both sides. right? oy. good night. 8:30 meeting tomorrow. boa noche.

    • johncAtl

      You’re as bad as I am. Go back to sleep.

      • coram nobis

        “There was a Cabaret … It was the end of the world… and I was dancing with Sally Bowles and we were both fast asleep …”

        • johncAtl

          Is this when I’m supposed to post “Tomorrow belongs to me?” Or should I just go to bed? I’m going with go to bed. I’ve had enough Trumpanzees for one day. And their meltdowns will be even sweeter tomorrow. Unless Trump finds the launch codes and melts us all over night.

        • johncAtl

          Is this when I’m supposed to post “Tomorrow belongs to me?” Or should I just go to bed? I’m going with go to bed. I’ve had enough Trumpanzees for one day. And their meltdowns will be even sweeter tomorrow. Unless Trump finds the launch codes and melts us all over night.

      • coram nobis

        “There was a Cabaret … It was the end of the world… and I was dancing with Sally Bowles and we were both fast asleep …”

    • He’s trying to create a scandal/distraction on purpose.

    • ultragreen

      Kelly is wrong. Abraham Lincoln was a compromise candidate who planned to prevent the spread of slavery to new states by appointing anti-slavery Federal judges. Lincoln thought that the institution of slavery would then “wither on the vine.” In contrast, the radical abolitionists wanted to declare slavery illegal throughout the United States immediately.

      But that wasn’t good enough for the slavery states. They immediately seceded from the Union after Lincoln’s election and declared the Confederacy anyway, starting the Civil War.

      So here we have a 4-star general who doesn’t understand Civil War history. Even worse, he thinks it would be reasonable to compromise with the institution of slavery!

      • Mikey

        wow! so they had BernieBots back then too, eh?

      • Mikey

        wow! so they had BernieBots back then too, eh?

    • ultragreen

      Kelly is wrong. Abraham Lincoln was a compromise candidate who planned to prevent the spread of slavery to new states by appointing anti-slavery Federal judges. Lincoln thought that the institution of slavery would then “wither on the vine.” In contrast, the radical abolitionists wanted to declare slavery illegal throughout the United States immediately.

      But that wasn’t good enough for the slavery states. They immediately seceded from the Union after Lincoln’s election and declared the Confederacy anyway, starting the Civil War.

      So here we have a 4-star general who doesn’t understand Civil War history. Even worse, he thinks it would be reasonable to compromise with the institution of slavery!

    • coram nobis

      Thomas Jefferson on the Missouri compromise (1820):

      “… but this momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror. I considered it at once as the knell of the Union. it is hushed indeed for the moment. but this is a reprieve only, not a final sentence.”

    • coram nobis

      Thomas Jefferson on the Missouri compromise (1820):

      “… but this momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror. I considered it at once as the knell of the Union. it is hushed indeed for the moment. but this is a reprieve only, not a final sentence.”

    • Max_1

      Remember: John Kelly’s son died in Iraq so that his father, a “FORMER” 4 Star General, can stand behind a white supremacist who committed TREASON. That is what will be written in the history pages regarding John Kelly.

    • Max_1

      Remember: John Kelly’s son died in Iraq so that his father, a “FORMER” 4 Star General, can stand behind a white supremacist who committed TREASON. That is what will be written in the history pages regarding John Kelly.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      WTF?

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      WTF?

  • worstcultever
    • johncAtl

      Nite!

    • Lazycrockett

      He has laid such a well placed trap that feeds paranoia.

    • boobert

      The canaries will be singing tomorrow ! And with that I bid you all goodnight. It will be the first time in nearly a year that I have hope for tomorrow.

    • boobert

      The canaries will be singing tomorrow ! And with that I bid you all goodnight. It will be the first time in nearly a year that I have hope for tomorrow.

    • The other thing Mueller did:
      “See, Mr. Papadopoulos was guilty of some pretty serious offenses, enough to put him away for a long time. But he cooperated fully and without reservation. As a reward, we let him off with this single eentsy ‘lying to investigators’ charge which might not even have jail time if he keeps being a good boy. Now who else wants to step forward? This offer will not be open long…”

    • The other thing Mueller did:
      “See, Mr. Papadopoulos was guilty of some pretty serious offenses, enough to put him away for a long time. But he cooperated fully and without reservation. As a reward, we let him off with this single eentsy ‘lying to investigators’ charge which might not even have jail time if he keeps being a good boy. Now who else wants to step forward? This offer will not be open long…”

  • fuzzybits
    • johncAtl

      Pope Pup X? “X” because the iPhone X comes out today, and it has more followers than the Catholic Church.

      • I think this is “His Poopiness” and he is from San Francisco.

        • johncAtl

          Most Catholic priests wish they were in San Francisco.

        • johncAtl

          Most Catholic priests wish they were in San Francisco.

      • I think this is “His Poopiness” and he is from San Francisco.

    • johncAtl

      Pope Pup X? “X” because the iPhone X comes out today, and it has more followers than the Catholic Church.

    • coram nobis

      The Diet of Woof. Fun fact: October 2017 is the 500th anniversary of the Puprestant Reformation.

      • Then I have to play one of my favorite symphonies, Mendelssohn’s 5th (which is really one of his earlier works), The Reformation. It has the famous Lutheran chorale at the end Bach’s “Ein Feste Burg Ist Unser Gott (A Mighty Fortress Is Our God). I like this version by this relatively unknown young Valencian Conductor Francisco Valero-Terribas — reminds me of the classic Charles Munch and Boston Version from the 60’s — https://youtu.be/LyT7ruaQXpM

      • Then I have to play one of my favorite symphonies, Mendelssohn’s 5th (which is really one of his earlier works), The Reformation. It has the famous Lutheran chorale at the end Bach’s “Ein Feste Burg Ist Unser Gott (A Mighty Fortress Is Our God). I like this version by this relatively unknown young Valencian Conductor Francisco Valero-Terribas — reminds me of the classic Charles Munch and Boston Version from the 60’s — https://youtu.be/LyT7ruaQXpM

    • coram nobis

      The Diet of Woof. Fun fact: October 2017 is the 500th anniversary of the Puprestant Reformation.

    • geoffalnutt

      I guess you’d use a “Poper” scooper.

    • geoffalnutt

      I guess you’d use a “Poper” scooper.

    • clay

      Caption this photo: “You’re going to accuse me of WHAT with a child?”

  • coram nobis
  • coram nobis
  • Michael R

    I haven’t heard this discussed yet :
    If the Russians had dirt on Hillary in the form of thousands of emails ,
    if there was anything in them wouldn’t we have heard about it ?
    THERE”S NOTHING IN THE EMAILS
    ( and they knew it )
    Yet they got Comey to open an investigation knowing this ,
    which obviously tilted the election .

    • Lazycrockett

      Well Comey found emails on Weiners laptop that was shared with his wife, one of Hillary’s closest aides so the issue was reopened. Hillary and I both believe that is what caused her the loss.

    • Lazycrockett

      Well Comey found emails on Weiners laptop that was shared with his wife, one of Hillary’s closest aides so the issue was reopened. Hillary and I both believe that is what caused her the loss.

    • Max_1

      Yes, a correct summary of things.

    • Max_1

      Yes, a correct summary of things.

  • Michael R

    I haven’t heard this discussed yet :
    If the Russians had dirt on Hillary in the form of thousands of emails ,
    if there was anything in them wouldn’t we have heard about it ?
    THERE”S NOTHING IN THE EMAILS
    ( and they knew it )
    Yet they got Comey to open an investigation knowing this ,
    which obviously tilted the election .

  • Cuberly Deux
  • Cuberly Deux
  • Rebecca Gardner
    • JCF

      E-Race Bannon.

      • David L. Caster

        Race Bannon is good, Steve Bannon is not.

      • David L. Caster

        Race Bannon is good, Steve Bannon is not.

    • JCF

      E-Race Bannon.

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • Lazycrockett
  • Lazycrockett
  • Max_1
    • Max_1

      Edit:
      Sorry, I don’t know how to crop…
      … But it looks like gawd already tried.

      • Bryan

        “Yeah just…throw that one on the orange thing”
        “…But we’ve already used the rejected hair and defective, irradiated flesh…God his body’s been late for it’s brain injection line”
        “Yes, but nobody will touch him so nobody will ever have to see it – blame the Absy…ambrosia. Yes…it was ambrosia. So speaketh the lord.

        • clay

          “rejected hair, irradiated flesh” so that’s why the public hair fled to its scalp?

      • Bryan

        “Yeah just…throw that one on the orange thing”
        “…But we’ve already used the rejected hair and defective, irradiated flesh…God his body’s been late for it’s brain injection line”
        “Yes, but nobody will touch him so nobody will ever have to see it – blame the Absy…ambrosia. Yes…it was ambrosia. So speaketh the lord.

    • Max_1

      Edit:
      Sorry, I don’t know how to crop…
      … But it looks like gawd already tried.

    • JCF

      Gaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

      http://media.giphy.com/media/LOZu0kLjtM2Gs/giphy.gif

      You are One CRUEL Mofo, Max! Designed for maximum eye-burn, when you innocently press “see more”. God, where’s my spork…

    • JCF

      Gaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

      http://media.giphy.com/media/LOZu0kLjtM2Gs/giphy.gif

      You are One CRUEL Mofo, Max! Designed for maximum eye-burn, when you innocently press “see more”. God, where’s my spork…

  • Max_1
  • Donald’s going to keep barking that he didn’t collude with Russia during the election.

    Here’s why it’s a lie.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de88fc558bd3fb4e56581eb35efe77e94814119d1530784f1869548be27525d9.jpg

    This meeting was Donald meeting with his National Security advisory team. Present there were both Trump and Sessions, as well as Papadopoulos and the rest.

    This is what Georgie P confessed to in his guilty plea today:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00d87ba23611c042f35f7a6294510bf28213f21385dcbffcf61da02f59fbc1a1.jpg

    Now one might think that an obvious defense would be Trump’s spokesgoblins claiming Papadump’s offer to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin was simply rejected out of hand.

    Well, it does seem that perhaps some in the campaign knew the optics of an actual face-to-face meeting between Donald and Vlad would be really bad, so instead the campaign told Papadope to go ahead and try to arrange lower-level meetings. This would’ve been approved by his supervisor, Sam Clovis and presumably also Paul Manafort (as campaign manager).

    In the weeks that followed, that’s what George did. And at the end of April, that’s when his Russian contacts told him they had hacked emails and other data from Clinton. In reality, this wasn’t actually true. What they had were emails from Podesta’s account (campaign) and the DNC (party). At no point were Clinton’s personal or old SecState emails ever actually hacked.

    But that didn’t matter. Even though the Trump campaign didn’t sound especially interested in a Trump-Putin meeting, Papadont kept trying to set one up for the next couple of months. By time June rolled around, he finally switched to trying to set up a lower-level off-the-record meeting.

    Meantime, the Trump campaign, their treason appetite whetted by what they’d been told in late April were really keen to obtain these rumored emails. Thus when the Russians offered to meet with them in early June—this would be the infamous Don Jr meeting—they leaped at it, thinking finally they’d get their dirt.

    They got some stuff, but not what they wanted. It does seem that at some point, even though Trump, Sessions, Manafort and others had met with Kislyak to promise sanctions relief if elected, in exchange for Russian help (and some cooperative Gazprom/Rosneft money laundering on the side), the Russians wanted something concrete.

    And that would be their ask for Trump to prove his people could change the GOP’s platform to be more pro-Russia with respect to the Ukraine. Which they did. On the other hand, Donald’s behavior during the convention was abysmal and his attacks on the Khans afterwards led many to think he was done.

    Where were the emails? In August, Donald began asking for them in his speeches, addressing Russia directly.

    So the Russians began delivering on their promise, first by dribs and drabs via Wikileaks, but nothing really major. Their one really obvious reaction was when the Access Hollywood tape hit in October and IMMEDIATELY they released the Podesta emails to distract from it and derail the news cycle…which worked.

    By this point however, it seems clear their real goal was not a Trump win but a badly weakened Clinton facing a GOP majority. But they went and bumblefucked their way to a Trump win (aided, sadly, by Comey’s interference)…and here we are.

    (To be fair, some of what I’ve written here is supposition and opinion. But what’s simply factual should be obvious.)

    • Should also be noted that Donald has always maintained that neither he nor his family nor anyone in his campaign had any contacts with Russians.

      This particular lie is so over the top, it’s insane. Don Jr and Eric have both bragged about Russian investments. We now know Donald was trying to make a deal for Trump Tower Moscow DURING the campaign. We have endless photos of all the Trumps in Russia at various times.

      Of course now we have this. Manafort, Gates, Page, Sater, Epsteyn, Sessions and others had contacts in Russia from BEFORE the campaign. And now we have an official court document, a guilty plea from George Papadopoulos in which he describes in great detail his own contacts, how and when he shared the existence of them with the rest of the Trump campaign, and how his own official role was to serve as a go-between for the campaign and the Kremlin itself.

    • Should also be noted that Donald has always maintained that neither he nor his family nor anyone in his campaign had any contacts with Russians.

      This particular lie is so over the top, it’s insane. Don Jr and Eric have both bragged about Russian investments. We now know Donald was trying to make a deal for Trump Tower Moscow DURING the campaign. We have endless photos of all the Trumps in Russia at various times.

      Of course now we have this. Manafort, Gates, Page, Sater, Epsteyn, Sessions and others had contacts in Russia from BEFORE the campaign. And now we have an official court document, a guilty plea from George Papadopoulos in which he describes in great detail his own contacts, how and when he shared the existence of them with the rest of the Trump campaign, and how his own official role was to serve as a go-between for the campaign and the Kremlin itself.

    • Sessions claim that he was unaware of any connections or contacts between the Trump campaign and any Russian officials was also just refuted by Papadopoulos’s guilty plea. He was right there at the meeting where George P said he had those contacts.

      So, perjury is basically established.

      • medaka

        Okay, now THAT was great, especially ending it with Sessions’ perjury. Delicious! Thanks for laying it all out so clearly.

        I wonder who the next indictment will be for? Or will the pre-pardons start appearing in the next round of tweets?

      • medaka

        Okay, now THAT was great, especially ending it with Sessions’ perjury. Delicious! Thanks for laying it all out so clearly.

        I wonder who the next indictment will be for? Or will the pre-pardons start appearing in the next round of tweets?

      • medaka
      • medaka
    • Sessions claim that he was unaware of any connections or contacts between the Trump campaign and any Russian officials was also just refuted by Papadopoulos’s guilty plea. He was right there at the meeting where George P said he had those contacts.

      So, perjury is basically established.

    • The more I think about this past day’s events and revelations, the more I’m convinced that one of Mueller’s top desires is to get Manafort to flip.

      The one thing I’m still confused about is where Flynn fits into what’s happening. He has to. Somewhere.

    • The more I think about this past day’s events and revelations, the more I’m convinced that one of Mueller’s top desires is to get Manafort to flip.

      The one thing I’m still confused about is where Flynn fits into what’s happening. He has to. Somewhere.

  • Donald’s going to keep barking that he didn’t collude with Russia during the election.

    Here’s why it’s a lie.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de88fc558bd3fb4e56581eb35efe77e94814119d1530784f1869548be27525d9.jpg

    This meeting was Donald meeting with his National Security advisory team. Present there were both Trump and Sessions, as well as Papadopoulos and the rest.

    This is what Georgie P confessed to in his guilty plea today:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00d87ba23611c042f35f7a6294510bf28213f21385dcbffcf61da02f59fbc1a1.jpg

    Now one might think that an obvious defense would be Trump’s spokesgoblins claiming Papadump’s offer to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin was simply rejected out of hand.

    Well, it does seem that perhaps some in the campaign knew the optics of an actual face-to-face meeting between Donald and Vlad would be really bad, so instead the campaign told Papadope to go ahead and try to arrange lower-level meetings. This would’ve been approved by his supervisor, Sam Clovis and presumably also Paul Manafort (as campaign manager).

    In the weeks that followed, that’s what George did. And at the end of April, that’s when his Russian contacts told him they had hacked emails and other data from Clinton. In reality, this wasn’t actually true. What they had were emails from Podesta’s account (campaign) and the DNC (party). At no point were Clinton’s personal or old SecState emails ever actually hacked.

    But that didn’t matter. Even though the Trump campaign didn’t sound especially interested in a Trump-Putin meeting, Papadont kept trying to set one up for the next couple of months. By time June rolled around, he finally switched to trying to set up a lower-level off-the-record meeting.

    Meantime, the Trump campaign, their treason appetite whetted by what they’d been told in late April were really keen to obtain these rumored emails. Thus when the Russians offered to meet with them in early June—this would be the infamous Don Jr meeting—they leaped at it, thinking finally they’d get their dirt.

    They got some stuff, but not what they wanted. It does seem that at some point, even though Trump, Sessions, Manafort and others had met with Kislyak to promise sanctions relief if elected, in exchange for Russian help (and some cooperative Gazprom/Rosneft money laundering on the side), the Russians wanted something concrete.

    And that would be their ask for Trump to prove his people could change the GOP’s platform to be more pro-Russia with respect to the Ukraine. Which they did. On the other hand, Donald’s behavior during the convention was abysmal and his attacks on the Khans afterwards led many to think he was done.

    Where were the emails? In August, Donald began asking for them in his speeches, addressing Russia directly.

    So the Russians began delivering on their promise, first by dribs and drabs via Wikileaks, but nothing really major. Their one really obvious reaction was when the Access Hollywood tape hit in October and IMMEDIATELY they released the Podesta emails to distract from it and derail the news cycle…which worked.

    By this point however, it seems clear their real goal was not a Trump win but a badly weakened Clinton facing a GOP majority. But they went and bumblefucked their way to a Trump win (aided, sadly, by Comey’s interference)…and here we are.

    (To be fair, some of what I’ve written here is supposition and opinion. But what’s simply factual should be obvious.)

  • G’nite all. See you tomorrow.

  • G’nite all. See you tomorrow.

  • BeaverTales

    OT: Update on my plans to immigrate/retire in Canada.

    Dealing with Canadian bureaucrats is going well despite my medical issues, and I’m even having a lot of luck finding good jobs. Despite having finally cobbled together a 7 figure bank account as I prepare to leave the US, I’m having trouble finding something bigger than a 2 BR condo in any of Canada’s larger cities. Forget buying an actual house with a nice yard….

    Prices of real estate in urban Canada are going up an unbelievable 2-5% a year, and the older retired Canadians I meet think prices will rise to infinity. They are getting millions of bucks selling dated, shopworn homes to foreign buyers from Asia and a few rich techie Millennials. Taxes are high, but you get a lot more services for them compared to the US.

    Canadian millennials are commuting an hour or two to work and school, buying used clothes from thrift stores, working crappy low wage jobs, and not uncoincidentally dying of opioid overdoses. The average Canadian with an average salary can’t afford an average house in a large city. The ones who own homes need airbnb to rent out their spare rooms to help make their mortgage.

    On the plus side, the exchange rate is good for an American retiree. Thanks to climate change and hardier varietals, Canadian wines are almost on par with the best California, Oregon and Washington wines. Medical 420 is legal everywhere, and soon recreational pot will be too. While Canadians love their churches, synagogues and mosques, Queer culture is still relatively easy to find. At least they have a Trudeau and not a Trump.

    Nova Scotia is too boring and too far from friends and family. Quebec treats English speakers like Criminals, so it’s gonna be Ontario or BC for me. Thanks to climate change, both have milder winters and cooler summers than when I lived in Canada 20 years ago and California 30 years ago.

    I don’t need more than a 2 BR home, but I do want want a building that allows me to keep my furkids and walk them where there are more than a few token trees surrounded by a sea of concrete…and I want to have a couple of parking spaces and ideally a garage big enough to store some toys. SF and NYC have nothing on Vancouver and Toronto for costs of decent housing or good mass transit..

    I don’t need to live downtown…but due to health reasons, I do feel I need to be closer to a larger city as I age…hospitals, transportation hubs and college campuses with interesting science lecturers are far more important to me than they used to be.,

  • BeaverTales

    OT: Update on my plans to immigrate/retire in Canada.

    Dealing with Canadian bureaucrats is going well despite my medical issues, and I’m even having a lot of luck finding good jobs. Despite having finally cobbled together a 7 figure bank account as I prepare to leave the US, I’m having trouble finding something bigger than a 2 BR condo in any of Canada’s larger cities. Forget buying an actual house with a nice yard….

    Prices of real estate in urban Canada are going up an unbelievable 2-5% a year, and the older retired Canadians I meet think prices will rise to infinity. They are getting millions of bucks selling dated, shopworn homes to foreign buyers from Asia and a few rich techie Millennials. Taxes are high, but you get a lot more services for them compared to the US.

    Canadian millennials are commuting an hour or two to work and school, buying used clothes from thrift stores, working crappy low wage jobs, and not uncoincidentally dying of opioid overdoses. The average Canadian with an average salary can’t afford an average house in a large city. The ones who own homes need airbnb to rent out their spare rooms to help make their mortgage.

    On the plus side, the exchange rate is good for an American retiree. Thanks to climate change and hardier varietals, Canadian wines are almost on par with the best California, Oregon and Washington wines. Medical 420 is legal everywhere, and soon recreational pot will be too. While Canadians love their churches, synagogues and mosques, Queer culture is still relatively easy to find. At least they have a Trudeau and not a Trump.

    Nova Scotia is too boring and too far from friends and family. Quebec treats English speakers like Criminals, so it’s gonna be Ontario or BC for me. Thanks to climate change, both have milder winters and cooler summers than when I lived in Canada 20 years ago and California 30 years ago.

    I don’t need more than a 2 BR home, but I do want want a building that allows me to keep my furkids and walk them where there are more than a few token trees surrounded by a sea of concrete…and I want to have a couple of parking spaces and ideally a garage big enough to store some toys. SF and NYC have nothing on Vancouver and Toronto for costs of decent housing or good mass transit..

    I don’t need to live downtown…but due to health reasons, I do feel I need to be closer to a larger city as I age…hospitals, transportation hubs and college campuses with interesting science lecturers are far more important to me than they used to be.,

  • Michael R

    Just $1 to help us’:

    Eric Trump email after Manafort indictment asks for cash

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/751c8d9467ab474cb697ddb298bac33c7fcf3aca40db5763b0814aef18cea281.jpg

  • Michael R

    Just $1 to help us’:

    Eric Trump email after Manafort indictment asks for cash

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/751c8d9467ab474cb697ddb298bac33c7fcf3aca40db5763b0814aef18cea281.jpg

  • medaka
    • DaddyRay

      No wonder Trump was upset

  • medaka
  • leastyebejudged

    lol, no shit.

    Did you actually keep your fb after this election ?

  • leastyebejudged

    lol, no shit.

    Did you actually keep your fb after this election ?

  • safari
  • safari
  • OdieDenCO
    • BobSF_94117

      I realize it’s the Daily News, but “2 indicts”???

  • OdieDenCO

    Ok everybody it’s all over. russia says all the charges are politically motivated and there for false because section 31 of manafort’s indictment called a prime minister of Ukraine the president. we can now rest easy with the knowledge that donny is the bestest presidolt ever!

    “But the spokeswoman for Russia’s foreign ministry, Maria Zakharova,
    pointed out that the 31-page indictment document against Manafort
    wrongly describes Yulia Tymoshenko as a former president of Ukraine.
    In fact, Tymoshenko twice served as the country’s prime minister, before
    being jailed in 2011 on embezzlement charges that the U.S. and others
    said were politically motivated.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mistake-manafort-indictment-shows-case-was-cooked-russia-says-n815911

    /s icymi

    • Tulle Christensen

      everybody? that is a lot of people 😉

    • BobSF_94117

      It’s interesting that their first “none of this is true” came out before any of “this” was released publicly.