Paul Manafort Hit With 12 Felony Charges: Conspiracy Against United States, Money Laundering, Lying To Feds

The BBC reports:

The FBI special counsel’s spokesman has just given us this statement: “Paul J. Manafort, Jr., 68, of Alexandria, Va., and Richard W. Gates III, 45, of Richmond, Va., have been indicted by a federal grand jury on Oct. 27, 2017, in the District of Columbia.

“The indictment contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.”

  • David L. Caster

    Throw the book at ‘em.

  • Tawreos

    I hope he has warmed up his singing voice and sings a Trump song all day for the nice investigators.

  • DesertSun59

    So, federal charges? Not state level ones? This means 45 can pardon them (or Pence will, eventually). Regardless, they will most likely spend time in prison once the charges are proven. Neither will have any reason to flip. Manafort knows what polonium is used for.

    • ben

      They could bring state charges in NY as well

      • Boreal

        Which cannot be pardoned by tRump.

    • Butch

      I’m sure Mueller knows that; who knows all that’s going on?

  • Rex

    But, her e-mail…….OH, FUCK!

  • crewman

    I wonder how many of the things he’s charged with were actually known to Trump when he appointed Manafort the Campaign Manager. I’ll bet numerous of these were actually selling points in getting him the job.

    • Tawreos

      Trump probably gave him the job to get in on some of these things.

      • David L. Caster

        Of course Trump wanted a piece of the action.

      • Hryflex

        It’s not a bug; it’s a feature.

    • james1200

      Anyone know if the conspiracy against the U.S. charges can lead to treason charges?

      • gaycuckhubby

        I think in this case conspiracy probably meant conspiracy to avoid paying taxes. Doesnt seem like it would be treason

        • james1200

          Too bad 🙁

    • zherazhera

      How can anyone believe that Donnie wasn’t fully informed? It was his campaign!

      • Lizard

        Sadly, the fact that Drumpf is an idiot may actually work to his advantage here.

  • justme

    ..and he kept it all a secret during the campaign…./s

    • Gustav2

      Who knew?

      • justme

        the all knowing perfect brained tangerine buddha ??

        • Rambie

          “Many people” say he hires the “best people” you know

          • David L. Caster

            Only the best crooks for Donnie.

          • Rambie

            “Believe me”

          • Joe in PA

            Sarah Huckabilly: Look, the president’s been perfectly clear from the beginning…he only hires crooks.

            Ahem.

          • SpecialAgentPecker FBI

            Look, the president’s been perfectly clear from the beginning regarding Paul Manafort. He was barely part of the campaign and the president really never met him.

  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    And conspiracy takes multiple people, so who besides his biz partner did he conspire with? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b15291bc55d420f4dce62f7c3afe367800cd89625d8c00bb70b32de8ae8a876.jpg

    • Gustav2

      He used to be in a partnership with Roger Stone.

  • Smokey

    “conspiracy against the United States”
    So that’s where the upward spiral will reach.
    What will all the “patriots” say now?

    • Rambie

      They’ll do a repeat of their best hits “But her emails!”, “Uranium!”, “Lock her up!”, “Benghazi !!!”, “Thanks Obama”, and their new hit, “Dossier”

    • Special Agent FBl Bambino

      Wear their US flag caps, tank top and shorts and sing the national anthem?

      • TheManicMechanic

        Teabilly “Patriots” can’t and won’t speak French. If they read it in print, it will come out as “doe seer.” Which will make them think of hunting.

  • Big fish — meet little fish.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Conspiracy against the United States probably mean conspiring to not pay taxes BTW.

    • Rambie

      I thought that was implied by being a Republican?

    • j.martindale

      I wouldn’t be too sure. This could have to do with taking payments from Russia to influence policy. That phrase “against the United States” is pretty damning.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I highly doubt that.

        But maybe

        • j.martindale

          After further reading, I think you are correct.

  • mikeinftl

    And so it begins…

  • SpecialAgentPecker FBI
  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    Oh (Another) Stevie honey, “false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.” are all things Kushner has done too. Do you have your basement dungeon all ready? It may be needed sooner rather than later.

    • Rambie

      OMG, it’s Monday, I read your subtitle as Chicago Adjacent “Gay”

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        No worries, that applies too!

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      AND – “…a former employee of Jared Kushner has claimed the senior adviser doesn’t read and calls his father “daddy.”

      https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/jared-kushner-doesnt-read-former-employee-says/

    • marshlc

      That’s exactly what I was thinking. Lots of these charges apply to other people, too. This is very very good indeed.

  • Bluto
  • AJA

    (As Beverly Leslie) Well, well, well…

  • BlindBill

    it is a good start ….. keep the indictments coming

  • JAKvirginia

    Sing birdee, sing!

  • Frostbite

    I smell a pardon coming on..

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Crimes committed while he was chair of the Trump campaign.

    • gaycuckhubby

      No. I dont believe so

  • Rex

    “Conspiracy against the United States.”
    Try to distract from that.

  • SpecialAgentPecker FBI

    Expect major tantrums of denial from the orange dingleberry.

    • Special Agent FBl Bambino

      He’s got nothing yet or he has been gagged by his councils to tweet anything else but the investigation.

  • They mentioned a HUGE amount of money laundering going through his Manafort office as part oon Scarborough on MSNBC- if I heard it right, over 95 million (75 million plus 20 million). Can this possibly be true?

    • Gustav2

      Yes. I heard rumors of real estate deals with LLC’s.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Yep. Looks like 18 million laundered into the US. 75 million flowing through foreign banks

      • Gustav2

        Gee, I wonder how much went thru Deutsche Bank, then thru some bank in Cyprus. (Wilbur Ross)

        • Joe in PA

          Oh, would that be the Wilbur Ross that is the Commerce Secretary? Hmmmmmmm?

          (he only hires the best people you know)

    • Lori

      Yes. When reports were trickling out about him acting as an (illegally unregistered) agent for foreign entities the sizes of the deals were huge.

  • crewman

    Can Trump pardon Manafort now so that Manafort can just keep quiet about everything he knows?

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      However, if he pardons Manafort, Manfort can’t hide behind the 5th Amendment and has to answer any questions that can then no longer put him in jail.

      • Gustav2

        Is that what they call a “double edged sword?”

      • crewman

        What happens if he doesn’t answer those questions?

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Not sure. I think in court, the judge can view it as contempt.

          • Special Agent FBl Bambino

            Can the pardon be extend to contempt in court?

          • William

            It would need to be a subsequent pardon.

          • The_Wretched

            It was for arpaio.

    • Michael R

      He hasn’t been convicted of anything yet , so not until he is .

      • The_Wretched

        The power to pardon is also pre-emptively for a set of facts and circumstances.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Who’s next? Flynn?

    Besides Dump himself, I really need both Pence and the Mercers to get tagged for this. Pence for obvious reasons because his noms for various positions will be just as scary and the Mercers because I really want them to be an example that even oligarchs can face jail.

    • Rex

      Wasn’t Pence Manafort’s pick for VP?

      • medaka

        That whole tarrying-on-the-tarmac thing, yes?

    • Special Agent FBl Bambino

      Yup. Flynn should be the obvious next. The rest will fall in line.

      • SpecialAgentPecker FBI

        We’ll see who sings the loudest to get the best deal.

        • pj

          they will be singing now……

  • Rex

    Um, not hearing any shouts of “Lock Her Up.”

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme
    • medaka
      • JCF

        Seriously! If, before today, you said to me “George Papadopolous”, I’d have said “On ABC’s ‘This Week’? From BillC’s 1992 ‘War Room’?”

    • iambu

      Weird and OT, but icebergs gross me out. Like in the same way an arachnophobe would react to a picture of a giant spider. I can’t explain it. All I can say is that icebergs are the ocean’s boogers. Ew.

      • Lizard

        I kind of see where you’re coming from, but for me it’s the threat of something I know I wouldn’t be able to see. It’s freaky.

        Oh, and also a deep-seated fear of the ocean.

        • iambu

          Shudder…

      • finninnj

        Those icebergs aren’t stable — they would turn on their side right away. Perhaps you have an innate feeling for physics, do you get upset by seeing a pencil balanced on its head too?https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31a0f7405bf3f9d533791e3ecaa5185f633b3faa14e6338d568703fffd9297d8.jpg

      • JCF

        Well, you’re in luck: they may be gone in your lifetime.* 🙁

        * Yes, I’m exaggerating—just to make a “not a hoax” point.

        • iambu

          Much as I hate the Sea Boogers, I’d be more than happy if they’d stick around. Like, mainly in the interest of those who may be disinclined to want to die a horrible, climate change-induced death.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    LOL, what in the world ever gave him the idea that he could hide Millions and millions of dollars from the Govt for any length of time at all ??

    • Lori

      He got away with it for quite a while and probably would have continued to to do so if he’d had the sense not to get involved with Cheeto Benito’s campaign. That’s where he f’ed up. People with that much to hide need to stay out of front line politics. That’s the baseline truth that should be causing Trump and all his little Trumpettes to pee themselves right now.

      • Joe in PA

        Bingo.

  • j.martindale

    “Conspiracy against the United States.” Not heard this charged against anyone in my lifetime–70 years. This makes Nixon’s case look like a misdemeanor.

  • Michael R

    .
    Rick Gates , also indicted , I wasn’t familiar with his ( ugly ) face

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92572407eaeab2127bcb57bf97c06867af87dfc59400117f017d648a569a21dc.jpg

  • Gretchen

    This is even better than I was hoping.

    • agcons

      Same here. He’s not the biggest fish, but he’s certainly one of the smelliest.

  • Renfield

    This might be the best day since the shitgibbon became our phony president.

  • KnownDonorDad

    LOCK HIM UP
    LOCK HIM UP

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Rex

      Interesting.

    • Lori

      The statute of limitations isn’t about to run out on any of the Russia stuff, so there’s no need for Mueller to get into that before he’s good and ready.

    • Gustav2

      NBC: “Does not preclude other charges, and there were ‘statute of limitations’ involved.”

    • TJay229

      https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/924992553564459008

      I hated Paul Manafort, but never denied he didn’t look good in his custom Tom Fords, Brioni, Zena’s and Kitons. Hopefully now he’ll get a uniform made by Prisoners, The Military does. 😉

    • GayOldLady

      And it wouldn’t. No way will Mueller give Trump or his pals a view into what’s coming next. This is only a shot across the bow.

  • Lizard

    So when are the state charges going to be filed? Trump can pardon him for the federal ones. As we saw with Arpaio, he doesn’t care about optics.

    • GayOldLady

      They will hold State charges to counter any pardon that Trump may have up his sleeve.

      • Lizard

        What’s the advantage to holding them back? Drumpf can’t pardon them regardless and immunity from pardons might convince Manafort to talk.

        • GayOldLady

          From what I’ve heard and read the Fed normally takes the lead. We know that NY-AG Schneiderman is working with Mueller, so it’s very likely that State charges are being held back to see how far Trump is willing to go.

          • Lizard

            That’s fair. Maybe they’re waiting for Drumpf to blurt out that he’ll just pardon “Manafort, the best guy ever, the best campaign chair” before bitch-slapping him with the state charges.

        • clay

          Making Turmp take a move.

    • Boreal

      Mueller has shared information with Eric Schneiderman in NY since day 1 in case of Federal pardons.

      • Lizard

        I know. That’s why this surprises me. Do federal charges have to be filed first or something?

        • Boreal

          I suspect Schneiderman has agreed to hold back to see what happens.

        • The_Wretched

          No, State charges can go first but legally and politically it has to be Mueller’s game and that means him first. Else we’d get, “If this is real why did he punt to Schneiderman”.

  • SpecialAgentPecker FBI

    Man oh man. The trumpanzies are going to be flinging their shit everywhere for the next several days.

    • Lizard

      I was thinking the same thing this morning. Even if we manage to depose the Trump administration, who’s going to pay for the un-brainwashing of 40-ish% of the American populace?

      • Boreal

        I’ll gladly pay more in taxes if we can reopen the insane asylums that Reagan closed and re intern these people for evaluation and treatment but ideally the 1% should pick up the entire tab.

        • Friday

          Well, really, most of those were no bargain, either, the problem is they weren’t replaced with anything, to speak of.

          • Boreal

            They were replaced with tax cuts for the ‘job creators.’

      • GayOldLady

        When Nixon left office there were still a lot of people who supported him. Fortunately most of them came around when all the evidence against him was produced and they knew he was complicit. Nixon went on Nationwide primetime TV several times before he actually left office proclaiming his innocence. The last was his famous “I am not a crook” speech. In the end the evidence was overwhelming and undeniable. The same will happen in this case.

        • Lizard

          I see what you’re saying, but isn’t the political climate different? Nixon was impeached before I was even thought of, but was it this polarized, this impossible to have a conversation between the two sides? Was Congress filled with nothing but obstructionists who have no clue how to govern?

          After watching Trumpanzees for over a year, I don’t know what will change their minds. They think Drumpf is the second coming of Christ and if he hasn’t convinced them yet that he doesn’t deserve their adulation, I honestly don’t think federal charges will make a difference. After all, “He isn’t Establishment!”

          • Gustav2

            There was a lot of, “but LBJ did this and this with the FBI…” “Old man Kennedy bought West Virginian and dead people voted in Chicago.” So yeah. same shit being mimeographed and mailed out to Republicans trying to make it not a big deal.

          • Steverino

            Using a university library analogy, it’s as if I retreated into the dark, seldom-consulted recesses of the stacks, retrieved from the shelf a dusty old tome from the 1950s, and then presented the contents to a student as current events.

            I would rightfully be drummed out of tenure if I tried such a stunt.

          • jerry

            There were a lot of corrupt election practices back then, but Kennedy’s real ace in the hole in WV was bringing in FDR Jr. to campaign for him in the primary. Back then, WV was a given for the Democrat in the general election (when there wasn’t an incumbent GOP president).

          • TuuxKabin

            This is a completely different ‘ball game’ than Nixon’s administration, and I agree President Obama’s successor is far more Teflon coated than any rethuglican before.

            A couple of fat ladies have to bring the house down. Hopefully so we have something to be thankful for the end of next month.

            Not a historical nazi, but for fairness and accuracy in reporting, FAIR, as I remember it, and thanks to Wiki:

            On July 27, 29, and 30, 1974, the Committee approved three articles of impeachment against Nixon, for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress, and reported those articles to the House of Representatives. Two other articles of impeachment were debated but not approved. Before the House could vote on the impeachment resolutions, Nixon made public one of the additional conversations, known as the “Smoking Gun Tape”, which made clear his complicity in the cover-up. With his political support completely eroded, Nixon resigned from office on August 9, 1974. It is widely believed that had Nixon not resigned, his impeachment by the House and removal from office by a trial before the United States Senate would have occurred.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

          • GayOldLady

            Our country was very divided in those days. We had racial tensions, the Vietnam war, War Protests, The Cold War, The Women’s Rights movement for the ERA. In the decade leading up to the Nixon presidency we lost JFK 63′, MLK 68′, RFK 68′, Malcom X 65′ to assassination. We had riots, War protests that led to riots, police and National Guard action against protesters that was barbaric. It’s easy to forget how difficult those times were.

          • TJ

            I’m trying to find the photo of Machine Guns mounted on the Capitol steps. Think pic was taken during anti-war protest in 1970.

          • Dale Snyder

            When all was said and done, democrats and republicans worked together regarding the then upcoming impeachment proceedings.

        • worstcultever

          I’ll never forget even my RW dad watching some Nixon thing on tv towards the end – and seeing even him just shaking his head, as if to say, “enough, I’m done, gah”

          I know we have a lot bigger problem with the depth of brainwashery here .. but I still cling to that priceless memory

          • Steverino

            Indeed, the unfortunate thing nowadays is that the Nixon Administration preceeded the massive corporate deregulation and elimination of the Fairness Doctrine under Reagan. And that has left 30 to 35 years of anti-Democratic, anti-liberal propaganda and demagoguery in its wake: non-stop, 24/7 right-wing crap from AM radio and FOX News.

        • Unless the Shitgibbon touches off WWIII…

        • jerry

          Yeah, the main difference between then and now is the RW media…they didn’t have the 24/7 outrage machine then. And some of the GOP congress members eventually, when faced with overwhelming evidence, did the right thing. And remember that Nixon’s support didn’t drop off completely until those last few days, when the tapes finally surfaced that proved his involvement.

      • HozillaSmallpox

        They’ll keep voting for their GOP crooks until they just die out.

      • Snarkaholic

        The now-uninsured ones should keel over fairly soon.

    • HozillaSmallpox

      Scuttlebutt in D.C. has been going around for quite a while that someone has a wealth of information that they are waiting for the right moment to strike

    • Snarkaholic

      “FAKE NEWS! HE WAS JUST STOPPING BY THE COURTHOUSE TO PAY A PARKING TICKET…WHICH WASN’T EVEN HIS FAULT!”
      (The parking meter wouldn’t accept rubles.)

  • Renfield
  • medaka

    Mueller is listening — start tweeting, President Fucking Moron

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/924642092651089920

  • GayOldLady

    Conspiracy against the U.S. is huge. The money laundering and tax evasion are by-products of the conspiracy charge. My bet is that there are more sealed indictments that go all the way up the ladder. Mueller will work this indictment to see who will step forward for a deal. The GOP can investigate the Steele Dossier and Hillary all they want, but like the emails there’s no there, there AND THEY KNOW IT. This POTUS is finished before they ever get to him. The minute tax cuts fail or is signed will be the moment the GOP washes it’s hands of him. At least those not complicit will wash their hands of him. I expect to see some of his cabinet, including VP Pence and a lot of his staff, go down in flames with Trump and his kids.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      I like the way you think!

      • GayOldLady

        FYI…Our heaven on Earth was spared from the Hurricane. I have friends in St. Pete and they assure me that our paradise is intact.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          Such good news!

          • GayOldLady

            I wanted to go visit in the Fall, but the hurricanes threw a big monkey wrench into that plan. I suppose I’ll wait until Spring.

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            I may go at Christmas

          • GayOldLady

            I wish I could. If you go have a great time and let me know how it went.

    • (((GC)))

      …I expect to see … VP Pence … go down in flames with Trump and his kids.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb7db3cf5e4ef83147f3b8dce1dcc6de368667e768b80cb52cc6236992551219.jpg

      The last thing we need is either a continued unpresidented tRump “presidency” or Christofascist Pence in the office.

    • Randy Ellicott

      OK I admit it I, should have had more faith in your hope that this would actually happen… Been a long dark year since last November and finally we can start to see some light!!

      • GayOldLady

        It’s a great day for all of us, but it’s only the beginning. I’m confident there are more sealed indictments and that this is the first move in a grand chess game that will bring down DJT, his family, some in his cabinet, some of his staff and many of his business associates. I don’t know whether this is the beginning of the end or the beginning of the beginning, but whatever it is today is a day to be happy that our system of checks and balances is still functioning.

    • paganguy

      I’ve always hoped for the big Trump / Pence / Ryan trifecta.

      • GayOldLady

        Be patient and you’ll get it.

        • paganguy

          Your mouth to CeilingCat’s ears. (I never in my wildest dreams thought the day would come I’d be rooting for a President Hatch. But given the alternatives?) And I’m expecting a lot of others (Jarod and the Trumplings, maybe Sessions, and please, oh please, McConnell) could be swept along with them.

  • Boreal

    Americans are planning to protest across the United States Monday if
    President Donald Trump moves to fire Russia investigation special
    counsel Robert Mueller in the wake of his probe’s first arrest.

    “Nobody is Above the Law” rallies have been organized in multiple
    cities in 48 states by the group MoveOn.org, a progressive political
    action group, set to begin if and when Mueller is fired.

    The group argues it “would be a constitutional crisis for our
    country” if Mueller is dismissed, in an announcement about the rallies on its website.

    • djcoastermark

      I already know of 2 places in my city where there will be rallies if (hopefully not) need be.

      • Boreal

        tRump is crazy enough to do it but I’m guessing the day care center will spend its time trying to convince him not to since many of them are probably implicated.

    • TuuxKabin

      Rallies will begin hours after news breaks of a Mueller firing:

      If Mueller is fired BEFORE 2 P.M. local time —> events will begin @ 5 P.M. local time
      If Mueller is fired AFTER 2 P.M. local time —> events will begin @ noon local time the following day

      https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/

      • Lizard

        God damn. Now that’s the organization we’ve been looking for!

        • TuuxKabin

          Hope the momentum keeps up as needed.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Wow! They are on it! I signed up for Baltimore!

      • SpecialAgentPecker FBI

        Signed up and ready to roll. Will have to travel about 60 miles, but will gladly do so.

      • whollyfool

        thank you for that info

      • medaka

        Yinz are ON it!

        • TuuxKabin

          Ja, boss!

    • HozillaSmallpox

      wow just wow

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Sam_Handwitch

    Merry Muellermas!

    • Lizard

      I’m stealing permanently borrowing this.

    • medaka

      On the first count of indictments, my Mueller gave to me…

      • Snarkaholic

        Some Chump-damning testimoneeee!

    • SpecialAgentPecker FBI

      I’m starting to deck the Pecker halls already. Such joy to be shared.
      http://oakleyilluminations.co.uk/forsale/img/noose.jpg

    • medaka

      What were yinz calling it last night? It was either Becca in NM or SoCalGal: something like Indicitvus but actually funny…there was talk of your pole, IIRC…

      edit: OH! Was it Arrestivus?

  • Gene Perry

    Oops. Manny goin’ to jail.

  • hdtex
  • jayjonson
  • It’s like a secular version of the 12 Days of Christmas!

    Perhaps the prez, His “Selected” Inhumaneness, better start sacrificing some goats to ward off the good spirits of justice.

  • LovesIrony

    Treason? Conspiracy against the United States

  • TJay229

    What many of you don’t know that’s REALLY juicy is, This is a individual indictment, not a Criminal Complaint. They went straight for the throat.

    This means they KNOW that they have enough to charge you with, they are prepared to send mountains and mountains of your discovery to your Atty to weight him down and drain you dry financially. They are fully prepared to go the distance and maintain their 98% rate of conviction (even a plea counts as a conviction).

    I love this.

    • GeneInSJ

      Me too!!!!! 🙂

    • another_steve

      Analysts are saying Mueller and his team may now have the leverage with which to flip Manafort.

      Get him to talk about Trump and the Trump campaign in exchange for leniency.

      • aagold76 .

        he’ll be waiting for and probably get a pardon from Trump if he doesn’t- which is why NY State should indict as well. Trump can only pardon Federal crimes/etc….Mueller has been working with NY Att Gen to help prevent this.

        • lattebud

          But if he gets a pardon, he has to accept guilt for the crimes according the Supreme Court. Therefore, any attempts to plead the 5th become mute since he has already admitted guilt.

          • edrex

            in fact, pleading the 5th is the very definition of mute.

          • Strepsi

            *moot. Yes, I’m “that guy”. Sorry.

          • (((GC)))

            Nothing wrong with useful and funny malapropisms! At worst we’ll get a pun thread.

          • Robincho

            You rang?…

          • lattebud

            Thanks… Pre coffee… I stand corrected

          • Steve Teeter

            Doesn’t that mean that if subpoenaed to tell what he knows about, oh, Trump, he would no longer be able to refuse by pleading the 5th? He’d HAVE to testify or be in contempt?

          • bandanajack

            moot

      • TJay229

        That’s the whole idea.

      • narutomania

        That is precisely what I have been hoping for all along: i want to give Manafort the nickname “Flipper” in exchange for his testimony.

      • DesertSun59

        Manafort won’t flip. He knows what polonium is used for.

    • KCMC
      • lattebud

        Or paid his housekeepers with transfers from overseas accounts.

        • jerry

          …in rubles.

    • whollyfool

      Thank you for the heartening explanation!

      • TJay229

        There is a difference between a Criminal Complaint and a Indictment. The Feds USUALLY present you with a CC first. This is a big deal. But in the event you were being sarcastic… 🖕U!

        • whollyfool

          LOL, I was serious; I work with computers for a living and know nothing about the law.

          I appreciate hearing from people who know what they’re talking about.

    • DonMN763

      I’m not a lawyer but I know how to use The Google. It appears Manafort is facing about 70 years.

      • Lizard

        And given that he’s 68, the deal they’re probably going to offer him if he talks is “You won’t die in prison.”

      • TJay229

        He could face a lot of time if he was found guilty ON All of the charges and the sentence was ran CONSECUTIVELY… But being realistically, he will Talk, charges will get dropped and he’ll plead out to others.

        Now, the only good thing in his favor is, he doesn’t have a criminal history so his score will be low and in the first column. But at his age, with all of his major money frozen, being shunned from his extravagant lifestyle, the thought of dying in prison won’t be appealing… He will Talk.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21da9eaae811e3b22741a2b192f2659164e2a149df688258d3a81ff63523957e.jpg

    • Gerry Fisher

      🙂 🙂 🙂

    • Andy Luther

      I love it too! Let the games begin!

  • Michael R

    .
    Manafort quit August 2016 , Rick Gates was still loitering around the
    White House until at least June 2017 according to this article ,
    not sure what happened after that …

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/despite-russia-controversy-paul-manaforts-partner-is-still-lurking-around-the-white-house

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Breathe deep! Can you smell the desperation?

    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/924978210470875136

    • Gustav2

      WSJ also had an editorial over the weekend

      WSJ editorial board calls for Mueller’s resignation and accuses Clinton and DNC of collusion

      http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-mueller-trump-russia-dossier-collusion-clinton-2017-10

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Well, of course. The WSJ is Fox “News” the print version.

      • RobynWatts

        WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdock. I wouldn’t use it to line a birdcage with it.

        • Gustav2

          I used to trust their reporting and ignore the editorials, not so much now.

          • RobynWatts

            The same.

          • edrex

            to paraphrase an acquaintance of mine: if the wsj editorial page actually read the rest of the paper they’d write very different opinions.

          • BobSF_94117

            If the rest of the paper read the editorial page, they’d resign.

        • RoFaWh

          I wish they’d indict Murdoch himself.

      • The_Wretched

        Insane.

    • RobynWatts

      Better opinion: Should Fox “News” just pack up and move to Russia?

      • ultragreen

        Please do.

      • Steverino

        I hear RT and Sputnik are hiring… perhaps looking for an acquisition…

    • another_steve

      The Million Dollar Question: Will Trump go there?

      • Gustav2

        The reporting says there are two camps. One telling Trump it would make a bigger legal mess, the second wanting to play to Trump’s revenge instincts.

        • Bj Lincoln

          He will do both. Revenge tweets that will make a bigger legal mess. He can’t keep a secret and this will piss him off so badly he will spill the beans out of anger and frustration. I can’t wait!

          • (((GC)))
          • Snarkaholic

            Any finger-pointing tweets directed at his cronies (whether the accusations are true or not) can probably be introduced as evidence in court…which will cause most of the accused to REALLY rat Chump out.

          • Bj Lincoln

            Well, everyone seemed to agree that Drumpf’s tweets are official statements from the President. They might try to walk it back but if that f**king moron can tweet all trans people out of the military and it sticks, then they all should stick.

        • another_steve

          If Trump knows that Manafort will lead Mueller back to Trump and the campaign, Trump may feel he has no choice but to order Mueller fired.

          The legal and political consequences of that would of course be catastrophic for the orange sexual predator, but when you feel cornered and the zombies are about to eat your face, you do what you have to do.

    • The_Wretched

      srsly?

      These charges are a big deal and the (R) are doubling down on flailing about.

  • Sam_Handwitch

    i just woke up on this windy Muellermas morn

    who is Gates?

    • SpecialAgentPecker FBI

      Manfort’s assistant.

      • Sam_Handwitch

        ok ty.

      • Sam_Handwitch

        lol @ agent pecker

      • another_steve

        Sorry PP, there’s a large sign posted at the entrance of the Federal Court House: “No Poultry Permitted in these Premises.”

      • Silver Badger

        Best Avatar yet.

  • HandsomeMrToad

    Is he draining the swamp, or is the swamp draining him?

    • whollyfool

      In Soviet Russia….

    • clay

      Is it still a swamp if they use it as a swimming pool?

  • Michael R

    .
    The firm had pitched Deripaska on a $200 million private equity partnership focused on Russia and Ukraine, and the arrangement was set up in 2007 in the Cayman Islands, but the relationship had disintegrated by 2014, when Deripaska sued Manafort and Gates over $18.9 million in unaccounted funds intended for the purchase of a Ukrainian cable provider.

    The pair then “simply disappeared” and stopped answering Deripaska’s requests to show how the money had been used or return it to the investor, according to the lawsuit.

    A new trove of emails released earlier this month showed Manafort, who did not take a salary from the campaign, hoped to use his position with the Trump campaign to “get whole” with Deripaska.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/rick-gates-visited-white-house-and-raised-money-for-trump-long-after-manafort-forced-out-over-russia/

    • another_steve

      Follow the money. Octopus tentacles. Etc.

      All the old Watergate expressions are reemerging.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Mueller: Trick or Treat!!

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN
    • Gustav2

      His old business partner Roger Stone?

    • William

      If it wasn’t for the obvious mismatch, I would ask Joy to marry me.

      • Steverino

        Same thing with me and Rachel.
        ; )

  • Bryan

    He was only with the campaign for a “very short amount time.”

    • Gretchen

      I suspect the next line will be something about how he wasn’t paid. He was a mere volunteer.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Dotard Dumpf: Manafort? Doesn’t ring a bell, never heard of him!

    • The_Wretched

      144 days. In case anyone asks.

      • BobSF_94117

        A mere blip…

    • clay

      But then, so was Donald.

  • greenmanTN

    What to name the event?

    I’ve seen Meullermas and Arrestivus. I suggest adding HaHaHannukah. Anything for Kwanza?

    • medaka

      Was Arrestivus from Becca or SCG last night? That had me chortling.

      • greenmanTN

        I don’t remember!

        • medaka

          Me neither. Broken synapses here, or maybe just some Sake O’Clock.

  • Rex

    Conspiracy against the United States – That’s treason, isn’t it?

    • clay

      or he planned to commit treason with the help of others, but was too incompetent to succeed?

  • William

    Martha Stewart lied to the FBI. We know how that worked out.

    • edrex

      i always thought her borscht recipe was a little too authentic.

  • worstcultever

    1 – I trust that Mueller’s indictment rollouts are going to be very strategic, both legalwise and mediawise

    2 – Now that shit’s got real, I think Dumpy’s ability to pardon/fire Mueller/do anything, really, except flail and tweetscream – just took a serious hit – he is officially a VERY wounded & weakened animal

    3 – Yay! Keep it coming, Bobby! Big kisses!

    4 – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9513cfa34a5142c9007fc00460bcdab7a0355e3bdbf78b28bfe662925605d079.jpg

    • Lizard

      I know this photo conversation isn’t real, but I’m going to imagine for today that it is.

      • djcoastermark

        Are we sure it’s not real ?

        • whollyfool

          It’s real as a synopsis. 🙂

        • clay

          I do not believe that President Obama would be allowed a cellphone while on jury duty, but it could have been from earlier in the day.

  • bkmn

    I bet Putin is pissed off now.

    • Lizard

      He doesn’t understand. “I got the authoritarian into power. What is this ‘democracy’ that seems to be working to remove him?”

    • Gretchen

      My guess is that Putin is incredibly amused. It isn’t like he is in any danger of being indicted. The silly Americans are chasing their tails, and he has already accomplished his goal of destabilizing the US as a global leader.

    • worstcultever

      He still scored the greatest blow against this country since Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined, without a single shot – and still has the republican party in his pocket – we’re not remotely out of the woods with Putin’s mayhem, and the traitorous pukes enabling of it IMO

    • whollyfool

      I think he’s a lot more pissed about Canada passing their own Magnitsky Act….
      http://www.wnyc.org/story/death-sergei-magnitsky-bill-browder

    • another_steve

      I intercepted Putin’s latest internal email and ran it through Google Translate. May not be 100 percent accurate but this is what came out:

      Idiot no longer useful. Bad news now regarding his comrades. Get out tape of Russian ladies urinating and bring to me immediately.

  • shellback

    Next up on Fox News: “Why are pumpkins associated with Hallowe’en” and “Mustard – Brown or Yellow – Which is more popular?”

    • another_steve

      “Hillary Clinton almost fainting getting into the car… dehydration or massive cover-up?”

      • zherazhera

        She’s pregnant with an alien lizard!

        • djcoastermark

          Still ? Heavens that’s a long gestation period.

          • paganguy

            That’s how they knew it was an alien baby.

  • Rex

    Conspiracy against the United States seems a bit more serious than kneeling during the National Anthem.

    • Jeffrey

      Someone on here yesterday said that Kathy Griffin’s trump stunt was the worst miscalculation of the 21st century. So just be prepared that some people have a strange scale by which they judge things.

      • Lizard

        *facedesk*

    • Buford

      Yep. I was just wondering how the pro-Trump crowd would try to spin a charge that egregiously traitorous as somehow still being more patriotic than BLM, antifa, anthem-kneeling, or The Clintons.

      I’m sure I’ll find out shortly…

      • Strepsi

        DNC entrapment of Manafort. Wait for it…

        • JackFknTwist

          Well, I’m a little confused .
          What the h ell is “conspiracy agaainst the United States ?
          It is not an offence known to the common law.
          It is not a statutory offence.
          It is vague and uncertain in its lack of particularity.
          I can understand ‘conspiracy to commit treason’ or ‘conspiracy to commit fraud’….etc.
          But ‘against the United States’ ?….conspiracy to do what against the United States……??
          Either I need better legal opinion from a criminal law expert or “Come on , Mueller, you can do better.”

          In the alternative I would throw out this charge for uncertainty.

      • Daveed_WOW

        They are going to spin that Manafort left the campaign early and …oh wait….really had very little to do with Trump or anyone who’s ever met Trump….and Hillary sold uranium and Obama divided America.

        • Buford

          The Papadopolous charges sorta slam the door shut. The campaign officially colluded with Russia to obtain dirt on Hillary which would influence the election. They are toast, so watch for Trump to take desperate steps.

          • RoFaWh

            The best step Trump (and all the rest of “them”, for that matter) can take is flight to Brazil with a briefcase full of cash. And maybe an antique or two from the White House to sell.

          • Buford

            Not even. I’d expect Trump to fire Mueller and attempt preemptive pardons… he could care less what he destroys in the process of trying to save his own neck.

    • Goodboy

      Manafort makes Benedict Arnold look like a fucking star spangled patriot by comparison.

      • Robert O’Donnell

        Arnold actually WAS a star spangled patriot until Washington and Congress screwed him over. He gave his health (suffering two separate severe wounds to his leg), and much of his personal wealth while winning numerous battles for the Revolution. Manafort did nothing for the sake of the country and deserves everything he gets.

    • Cipher

      Well, now… He is White.

  • blackstar
    • Rebecca Gardner

      This is why I SCUBA dive. Life in the ocean is much more interesting and beautiful.

  • Boreal

    When Clinton was investigated/impeached for a blowjob, most Americans knew it was a diversion. In this case, if Mueller has the goods on tRump, he’ll get no such poll bounce from this.

    • clay

      lying about a blowjob, unlike the current wave that began with Ailes, it wasn’t the blowjob, per se, that was the problem.

      lying about being a spy, however, also entails being a spy.

      • -M-

        And didn’t Starr’s investigation start with Whitewater? They had to go pretty far afield to find something to prosecute Bill for.

        Donnie’s scandal is all just right there: money laundering, dereliction of duty, emoluments, self-dealing, obstruction, likely collusion on his part & almost certainly by many around him, definite Russian patsy, security violations…

  • Blake J Butler
  • Blake J Butler
  • aagold76 .

    I hope NY State is also levelling these charges against them- we all know Trump will be pardoning both- but if State indicts- he can’t pardon that- only can pardon Federal charges.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Was just listening to a Columbia U law professor on WNYC-FM, who opined that Manafort’s alleged crimes didn’t occur in NY. She said DC and/or VA might be possible venues for state charges.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Gee, I remember when it was simply called TREASON.

    • Natty Enquirer

      I understand the rhetorical infatuation with this word, but as treason is the only crime defined in the U.S. Constitution, it has but one legal definition. And it does not apply to Trump & Friends.

      • KarenAtFOH

        I’ll take SEDITION for 1000, Alex.

  • Blake J Butler
  • Halou

    So basically, it is all about the greed of Manafort and his love of money, the almost-treason is just a side effect of this.
    I hope that his assets are forfeit and seized from him and he spends his last days impoverished in a prison cell.

    • clay

      “conspiracy against the United States,” sounds like more than “almost” treason.

      • bzrd

        no, small potatoes
        commit any offense against the United states, or to defraud the United States

    • RoFaWh

      Impoverishment is a lot nastier if you aren’t in jail. Where’s your next meal coming from, for example?

      • BobSF_94117

        Indeed, and in the annoying department, it’s gotta really chafe to have millions in the bank, outside the walls of the pen, and under the control of a guardian..

  • Michael R
  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Sam_Handwitch
  • agcons

    I loved reading the tweet yesterday about the smell of shit-filled pants being so strong. I hope Mueller does this each time: announce just far enough in advance to make people sweat blood and fill their drawers.

  • Jeffg166

    Paul probably thought the idea of Donald J. Trump getting elected to president was preposterous and he could make some easy money.

    • paganguy

      It’s like “The Producers” and he was their own version of “Springtime for Donald”. They never really believed it would be a hit or that people would hold them accountable for the money.

      • Jeffg166

        Exactly. Too bad Zero Mostel is dead. He could play Paul in the movie.

    • clay

      With the reported “I have to get to Trump”, it seems to me like he was ordered by the Kremlin.

  • DuaneBidoux

    So this is what an ACTUAL swamp with ACTUAL corruption looks like vs. the kind the Republicans make up against Dems.

  • dcurlee

    I’m not going to get my hopes up right now. We all know $$$ will just get him a slap on the wrist. I truly hope I am wrong

    • Jeffrey

      No, not with 12 felonies Including conspiracy against the country.

    • Natty Enquirer

      The chess clock has only begun to tick.

    • Halou

      He might get leniency if he serves up the dirt on his boss.

  • Cipher
    • ultragreen

      Add former Trump foreign policy adviser GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS to that list.

      • Cipher

        This needs at least a dozen more tiles!

  • Jeffrey

    Just a reminder that MANAFORT handpicked PENCE to be VP. Snatched it right out from under Christie for a reason…

    • edrex

      you know, i might almost prefer to get rid of pence and the despicables (aka advisors) and leave a hobbled trump in place.

      • Jeffrey

        100% agree

      • Ann Kah

        Well…if it weren’t for that nuclear thingie. And the tweet-storm statements of policy. And the offensive way he has treated other heads of state. And the fact that Trump has tarnished our world image so severely…maybe not “tarnished”. Maybe that should have been “trashed beyond recognition”.

        Perhaps the best outcome would be to hobble Pence before the fact, then axe Trump. Send him off to play golf at some secure facility with full nursing care.

        • edrex

          that’s a fine outcome as well. as long as the next R to occupy the oval office is hobbled.

          • (((GC)))

            As long as the entire R party is hobbled.

            They’ve shown themselves to be the party of treason and the party of death.

          • edrex

            better yet!

    • clay

      That puts Pence in between Manafort and Flynn– how very uncomfortable for him.

      • Jeffrey

        Mother would approve, however, as long as no single ladies are present.

        • BobSF_94117

          Does Mother really care whether they’re married or single?

          • Jeffrey

            You don’t want to delve into the psyche of anyone know only as Mother. Anthony Perkins taught us that much, surely.

    • Robincho

      Extra eww points for managing Pence and snatch in the same comment…

      • Jeffrey

        That’s as close to snatch as Pence will comfortably get.

        • Ann Kah

          “Mother” will make sure of that.

  • Renfield

    Here’s a link to the indictment:

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download

    • Lori

      I love that the indictment lists the specific property that Mueller intends to take because it’s the proceeds of a crime, plus substitute property he’ll take if Manafort no longer owns the listed properties.

      I sincerely hope that between forfeture and lawyer fees Manafort dies broke.

      • RoFaWh

        Manafort should have retired when he turned 65.

  • Renfield

    And with all those heavy and expensive charges, I know the first thing he and his pal will say: “What do you want to know?”

    • Halou

      Or ask Trump when the attempted pardon is going to come.

  • Jon Doh

    Only 12 felony charges, make it a baker’s dozen.

  • Scout
    • Lizard

      Okay, that was actually moderately unexpected…

    • Jeffrey

      Wow! Christmas is coming earlier and earlier every year but this time I don’t mind!

  • Slippy_World
  • ultragreen

    from Bloomberg News:

    “A former foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, George
    Papadopoulos, secretly pleaded guilty as part of Special Prosecutor
    Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S.
    presidential election, Bloomberg News’ Tom Schoenberg reports.Papadopoulos
    had suggested that Donald Trump meet with top Russian leaders during
    the campaign. He pleaded guilty to making false statements during an
    interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”

  • Paula

    I want to see them in the orange jumpsuits.

    • Ann Kah

      Picking up trash along the interstates?

  • Scout
    • The_Wretched

      I downloaded the filing for papadopoulos. Best line is in the summary. It says that the facts in the filing are only enough to meet legal requirements and that both sides know more than what’s disclosed.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Yet, no connections to Trump and collusion or treason. What crayon in the big crayon box is called disappointment? Color me that.

  • Guess?
  • David
  • Hank

    Manfort = Money Laundering = Russian Debt = Collusion = ……..

  • JWC
  • nipper

    Damn no Tax evasion? Thats always a biggie

    • clay

      … and it would be such a good match to this week’s “big story” of tax reform.

  • TheManicMechanic

    I predict a polonium tea party is in his future.

  • Conspiracy against the United States. Isn’t that kind of like treason?

    • bzrd

      no
      “commit any offense against the United States, or defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose”

  • Gerry Fisher

    Here’s a scary thought: If he hadn’t have hitched his wagon to the Trump campaign, would he have gotten away with most of what he did?

  • Franciscan

    I’m wondering, on reflection, why there was no prosecution of William Casey et al. in the 1980 meetings to influence Iran to hang on to the American hostages until Reagan could be elected. It’s hard to say which case is worse.

  • JCF
  • Raul C Perez

    its about time!