Hate Groups Launch Black Anti-LGBT Campaign

Via press release from hate group leader Tony Perkins:

Baking cakes can be a dangerous line of work these days. It’s certainly no industry for cowards, as Edie and David Delorme, Aaron and Melissa Klein, Victoria Childress, and Jack Phillips will attest. In the last few years, their families have gone from selling confections to defending their convictions in court. They’ve been vandalized, threatened, fined, mocked, and sued for one reason: they dared to believe the First Amendment applies to them.

Now, almost a decade into this clash between religious liberty and same-sex marriage, the Supreme Court will decide if they’re right. On December 5, Masterpiece Cakes’s Jack Phillips will stand before America’s nine justices — a representative of the countless Christian wedding vendors who’ve been persecuted for their faith. He’ll ask for the same freedom our forefathers fought and even died to give him — the freedom to live and work according to his beliefs. When he does, he’ll have the support of the nation, according to polls. But just as importantly, Jack will have the support of several African Americans.

Yesterday, a group of black leaders made that quite clear in a special press conference on the steps of the Supreme Court. Tired of hearing the LGBT community compare its experience to the real suffering of the civil rights movement, church and civic leaders decided to speak out about why Jack’s case matters. FRC’s Dean Nelson and FRC Action’s Patrina Mosley spoke, sharing deeply personal stories about the pain and prejudice their families experienced over the color of their skin. Patrina talked about how insulting it is to hear LGBT activists equate their “persecution” to generations of African Americans.

Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. called his brave volunteers an army, Patrina said, but “an army whose allegiance was to God… it was an army that would sing but not slay… no arsenal except its faith, no currency but its conscience.” That currency is for everyone. Let’s pray the Supreme Court agrees. For more on the movement to support Masterpiece Cakes, check out WeGotYourBackJack.com.

  • Boreal

    ‘Baking cakes can be a dangerous line of work these days.’
    Only for the blind with no sense of smell or touch.


    • Lumpy Gaga

      Outsider cakes.

  • Tawreos

    This makes me sick to my stomach

  • Acronym Jim

    Replace the “LGBT” fountain with a segregated fountain for “Christians” and they’d have the meme exactly right.

    “One of these never happened” indeed.

  • bkmn

    A reminder to the black community that these same crackers used their bible to keep slaves.

    • Acronym Jim

      I’ve no doubt there were some bakers who refused to to bake a cake for a mixed-race wedding because of their “sincerely held beliefs.”

      • Steve Morrison

        Their beliefs no longer have to be “sincerely held” thanks to rat-faced Sessions

      • JCF

        …and still DO refuse (at least as long as they don’t admit it’s for that reason).

    • Sean Williams

      They used the same bible to prevent interracial marriage.

    • Annerdr

      And somehow, that same bible apparently said don’t let your slaves learn to write or read or carry a weapon or walk to the next plantation to visit your family or GO TO CHURCH. Without any of those words actually being in that bible.

    • Uncle Mark

      Hell, not only were/are there bakers not wanting to cater to interracial marriages, but I’m sure there are bakers that don’t want to cater to Black or Hispanic customers either…’cuz apparently, their gawd made Brown & Black people subordinate to White people in some f’d up interpretation of their OT bible about brothers being shitty to each other.

      • Annerdr

        Even though if Jesus actually lived, he was BROWN. There were not that many blond, blue-eyes Palestinians back then, no matter what the pictures show.

    • Paul

      And Tony Perkkkins no less, probably mouthing “dumb n****s” under his breath.

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, and that you are marching with people who would love to go back to those days.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Oh, honey, let’s pull that camera back and let’s see how much press coverage they got.

  • Smokey

    So rights only belong to those who have suffered “enough”? Is that what they’re trying to say?
    If so Christians shouldn’t have any.

    • Jack

      All too often, that’s what it amounts to. Totally oblivious that laws were passed as a remedy of sorts for denials of what was theirs all along.

  • Squicky

    Not the same, but just as wrong.

    • Acronym Jim

      Exactly, the man is trying to compete in a fake “Oppression Olympics.” Some of the forms the oppression takes are different, but that doesn’t mean it’s still not oppression.

    • Jack

      Not identical, but of the same kind.

  • netxtown

    “I resent having my race compared to what other people do in bed.”

    Dammit, Janet – attention whores come in all colors, and i’ll bet they all fuck.

    • lymis

      Don’t forget that “they’re all coming after our white women” was one of the rallying cries of the KKK.

      • Annerdr

        So are all those white women going to turn gay now, for a new rallying cry? ‘Cause that would be pretty funny.

        • madknits

          What, Marge? I won’t have to deal with the toilet seat up all the time, I’ll get to have sex for more than five minutes, and all I have to do is put up with some cats if I go lesbian? Where do I sign up???

  • DaddyRay

    Hate and discrimination is always the same no matter who the minority

    • Goodboy

      Gee I wonder how they’d react if they found out the baker ever discriminated against black people. Would they be so tolerant? It’s his god given right and all.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a racist though. Most bigots I know don’t just stop at some imaginary line of who they hate.

  • Sam_Handwitch


  • Michael R

    The most important issue facing America ?

    • Goodboy

      It all ties into why they overwealmingly support Trump. Not because he’s competent as Potus but he’ll have no problem driving through their agenda. This is their agenda.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)
  • usorthem3

    Christian “love”.
    Pastor Curtis Knapp of KS says it’s the governments JOB to kill all gay people.
    Pastor Charles Worley NC preaches all gay people should be put in concentration camps to die.
    Pastor Kevin Swanson says all gay people must be exterminated.
    Pastor Dave Buehner says treat gay people like cannibals, child molesters, rapists and murderers.
    Pastor Steven L. Anderson- Preaches KILL the gays.
    Pastor Sean Harris- beat your 4 year old son if he shows signs of being gay.
    Pastor Andy Gipson, Mississippi GOP Lawmaker, Cites Bible Passage Calling For Their Death.
    Pastor David Dykes want to kill all gay people.
    Pastor Scott Lively( currently on trial for crimes against humanity) in Uganda helped write the KILL the GAYS bill.
    Pastor Dennis Leatherman wants to kill all gay, says it excites his flesh him to think about it.
    Pastor Ariel Torres Ortega says gays must die at National Organization for Marriage rally.
    Pastor Roger Jimenez praised the killing of gay people in Orlando says all need to be put to death.
    No Westboro church needed to know how christians want LGBT lives to end.
    Tell me again of your religion of love? 2nd chronicles 15 13

    • JCF


      • CottonBlimp

        Man, just stop. You worship the same damn book. Your religion is THE primary reason for 2000 years of brutal homophobia across the planet. Your religion perverts morality down to the very core when Christ himself says that loving one another comes second to mindlessly obeying the commands of God. Just coming in and typing “-ists” everytime there’s a story about Christians acting the way the VAST MAJORITY of Christians have acted over 2000 years is nothing but a cheap attempt to dodge your personal responsibility for promoting a religion which is at the core of every problem in America.

    • cleos_mom

      If there’s any marginalized group in either American continent that LGBTs could be compared to, it would be native ‘Americans’ — both have been targets of people who openly wanted them exterminated. There’s a gap between oppression and extermination that a lot of people apparently don’t want to admit exists.

  • Squicky

    Don’t forget: rights should be given to everyone because they are human beings, not because they have finally paid enough into an abuse pyramid scheme. This isn’t fucking Amway.

    • Annerdr

      Thank goodness it’s not Amway, because I suspect that black LGBT women would be at the bottom of the pyramid.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Probably the black bisexual women. They catch shit from both sides.

      • jerry

        Yes, and Betsy DeVos and her family are at the top.

    • Uncle Mark

      Or in my favorite way in dealing with self-righteous Christianistas…”I’m sorry. I’m somewhat confused, so which groups of God’s children/creations am I supposed to hate now?” They get really pissed when a “goddam libtard” schools then with their own sacred tome. I usually get a “how dare you” or “libtards know nothing about gawd or the Bible.”…at which point I excuse myself to tell them that “I am going out to mingle and accomplish great things with God’s other children…the ones not so hate-filled. Have a blessed day.”

  • Butch

    So your point is that bigotry is OK as long as it’s directed at other people?

    • Joseph Miceli

      …and here’s how they justify it. “There are no homosexuals, there are only homosexual acts.”
      They deny us our basic identity and then tell us that what we are is simply something we do and we can stop doing it.
      There really is no talking to them.

  • They got one thing right, these assholes given the chance wouldn’t even give us water.

    • netxtown

      they won’t even let us eat cake!

  • CanuckDon

    The same Tony Perkins who was known to pal around with the KKK….that Tony Perkins?

    • Barry William Teske

      Tony PerKKKins.
      There fixed it.

      • Joseph Miceli

        I like to call him “TP” but I wouldn’t even wipe my ass with him.

    • Goodboy

      Sounds like Perkins is taking a cue from his buddy Brian Brown. This was always their goal. Just find some useful idiots.

      • clay

        . . . and remember– as Straight Grandmother uncovered for us– NOM’s organizing incorporation papers state that their purpose was to weaken Obama as a primary candidate. They were a (potentially) racist organization from the get go. Their incorporation papers clearly stated they chose equal recognition of same-sex marriage as a wedge issue, only. (Sorta like the “moral” “majority” in the ’70s choosing abortion and “teh gays”.)

  • Spudman

    Wow. What a turnout! I’m so glad there was never discrimination nor laws governing “what other people [races, anyone?] do in bed.”

  • Boreal
    • GanymedeRenard

      Try millennia.

  • Lizard

    Oh my Christ, Tony, do you so not have the right to invoke MLK.

    • Ranger One

      Tony loves MLK. He celebrates him all the time.

      • MonicaR62

        Tony didn’t love him when he was alive

  • olandp

    No, there wasn’t a separate water fountain and we weren’t knocked down by firehoses, but we were arrested and sent to jail for buying a drink, or dancing with another man or woman. We were fired from out jobs, thrown out of the military, and hounded out of town. Need I go on?

    • MBear


      • olandp

        Right you are.

    • Ernest Endevor

      Don’t forget disowned and thrown onto the streets.

      • joeyj1220

        I’ll never forget hearing for the first time the experience of a young, gay black person who said that when he experienced harassment at school because of his race he could go home and talk with his family and receive support and comfort. But when it came to his sexual orientation he was all alone.

        • Ernest Endevor

          And isn’t that the crucial, heartbreaking difference? And what makes our experience unique?

    • Ranger One

      It was all bad. hate is hate. To the extent that THEY can exact THEIR hate is THEIR issue, not ours.

    • lymis

      Don’t forget the lobotomies or chemical castrations, or the involuntary admission to insane asylums.

      • Keroleen

        And being sexually assaulted in attempts to “straighten them out” for women and different but equally horrible reasons for men.

        • Todd20036

          Actually, men have been correctively raped too.
          One “reason” was that if men learned to hate gay sex (via rape), they’d become straight.
          Another was when a man (or boy) was forced to have sex with a woman (even a relative) to “fix” him

          • Annerdr

            People can be so horrible.

          • Todd20036

            Yup. It’s why I called my mother a c*nt when she threatened to cut me out of the will, and I dared her to do it.
            Sometimes the best way to crush a bully is to stand up to him/her, even if that bully is your own parent.

          • Annerdr

            My parents were the equivalent of June and Ward Cleaver. It wasn’t until college that I recognized that other people’s parents could be toxic and abusive. I finally quit saying things like “You shouldn’t cut your parent out of your life,” and moved to “You deserve better. Build a new family for yourself. I’m in.”

          • Todd20036

            In my case it was, “I verbally beat my mother until she submitted.”

            Being financially independent and the only successful child had serious advantages. I could live without my inheritance, so she needed me more than I needed her.

            All I had to do was threaten to cut her out of my life permanently, and she finally realized that “the way she was brought up” was no longer an excuse.

          • Kissmagrits

            I was in my mid-thirties when I told my father that I would no longer carry his name and that I was petitioning the courts for a new name and identity. Both he and my fundy stepmother STFU until their deaths….a great relief.

          • Keroleen

            Thanks for putting that out there. I’d forgotten about that aspect (I blame early morning brain fog) and didn’t want to accidentally imply women were the only victims of sexual assault for gayness.
            Also, good on you for not taking any guff from your mother.

    • Jack

      You do need to go on — well, not for us, but defs for them.

      In July of 1990, a gay man was beaten to death in a school yard a block from my apartment in the Jackson Heights neighborhood of New York City. I was out of town and only heard of this some time after getting back. His name was Julio Rivera and there is a street sign with his name.

      21 years later, a straight man, Anthony Collao, was killed because some guys THOUGHT he was gay.

      • Todd20036

        Yup. That happens too. Gay profiling. You could be straight, but if you have any effeminate mannerisms, you could still be queer bashed.

        • Chris Baker

          Yes, so many stories of straight people who are attacked because people think they are gay. That’s the thing about anti-bulling rules and laws, it also protects straight people who may be perceived as being gay. People can be bullied and beat up for being perceived as gay, even if they aren’t.

        • Kissmagrits

          Mankind has always sought justification to hate some special category of people as part of his need to feel superior
          to somebody…take our sociopathic president, for instance….

        • JCF

          About 15-20 years ago, two brothers (I think from Uruguay?) were gay-bashed to death in NYC for holding hands (platonic male hand-holding being common in MANY cultures).


          • Butch1

            This country’s male culture can be so screwed at times to teach little boys that they should be afraid of this kind of contact and that (religion once again) you are a nasty little fa**ot if you do that. I used to think and wonder what kind of a cesspool of a mind would think like that?

            Unfortunately, it was perpetuated by both parents.

        • Jack

          I think what happened in this young man’s case was that he had gay friends. And probably wasn’t exaggeratedly macho. I worked in the Bronx for like 20 years and I saw how a lot of kids — male and female — learned at an early age to look and act tough, even if they weren’t.

    • Tawreos

      Some of the older guys at the bar I used to go to in Columbus used to tell stories of the cops going “bowling for queers” when the bar would let out. The would run their cruisers up onto the sidewalks after the bars let out and see how many they could hit. They knew that most would never say anything to avoid the secret getting out to cost them their jobs, homes and families.

      • Annerdr

        Just to be clear, I’m upvoting you in horror.

        • Tawreos

          as it should be

      • Ezekiel Ichabod Crowley

        I think more people in Cbus need to know about this.

      • Butch1

        Typical psychopathic cop who got off at the pain of others.

    • narutomania

      And that is the G-rated version of what happened to many gay men and lesbians over the past few centuries.

      The horrors that have happened to people like Matthew Shepard can never be forgotten. Nor, I often think, forgiven.

      • I will forgive the religious right for what they’ve done to me and people like me when they apologize and stop harassing us. But not before.

        • Annerdr

          People should never forgive while being abused. That’s crazy fundagelical level control attempts by anyone who tells you otherwise.

          • They have to stop and it has to stay stopped for an acceptable (to me) amount of time and I have to believe that they are truly remorseful. None of that is going to happen of course. The same goes for the Republicans. I will consider forgiving them once they stop the gay bashing and apologize for it. And that’s all of them not a few (who say they hate the gay bashing but vote for the gay bashers anyway which really means they either agree with it or just don’t care).

        • Butch1

          I will never forgive them for what they’ve done; many people have committed suicide because of their meanness and many parents tossing their kids out like the trash because of what they’ve taught.

          They are unforgivable in my opinion.

      • Todd20036

        Yup. Mark Carson comes to mind.

    • Uncle Mark

      Let’s not forget that Texas case years ago, where the police stormed somebody’s home because the neighbors falsified a claim against a gay man that he was committing sodomy right there and then. Later it came out that the neighbor didn’t like having the gay neighbor and wanted him gone…gone…gone.

      When have the police stormed other people’s homes for what two other consenting adults decide to do in their own bedrooms?

      • Joseph Miceli

        Yes, that sound like fucking Tex-ass, (rolls eyes) the home of Ted Cruz and Louie Gohmert.

        • Uncle Mark

          This was about 15 years ago, when Texas had anti-sodomy laws on the books. Funny, I never heard of the police breaking into a straight couple’s home, because someone was getting a blow job or fucked/pegged in the ass.

          The good thing about the case was that it eventually went to the Supreme Court, and the Texas anti-sodomy law was struck down

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yeah, Good ole’ Lawrence vs. Texas or …as Scalia hinted at…the gateway to Gay Marriage. I wonder how that case would have turned out if brought in today’s Tex-ass courts.

        • Butch1

          There are two examples of what religion can do to people.

      • MonicaR62

        The gay man in question in that TX sodomy case that eventually took down the sodomy laws BTW was Black

    • Todd20036

      Also, we were kicked out of our parents’ homes for being gay. That never happened with blacks.
      In other words, both minorities were discriminated against, just not using the same methods.

    • Strepsi

      Killed. you forgot killed.

      • Todd20036

        The only reason that wasn’t included is that both minorities suffered that atrocity. The focus was on how each minority was discriminated against differently

        • Strepsi

          True, thanks )) I’ve often compared the “Why do you guys have to say ‘marriage’, why can’t you say ‘civil union’?” argument to the water fountains. That argument is like saying “You can’t drink from our fountain, you can have a smaller fountain, but mainly please don’t call it a ‘water fountain’, that’s our word, call it an “H2O Dispenser”…. just another separate-but-equal piece of B.S. Besides, it was tried, I believe in NJ and other places – and guess what, saying they had a “civil union” did NOT get the couples the automatic rights granted to married people.

          • cleos_mom

            There was also the inconvenient legal problem of having two separate names for what was claimed to be essentially the same legal contract. If gays had settled for civil unions, lawsuits over discrimination (“but you’re not married — you just have a civil union”) would be inevitable and illusions over the “they’re both the same” reassurances would be shattered before long.

    • vorpal 😼

      Everybody loses when they play the oppression olympics.

      Yes, being black and being gay are not the same thing, but black people generally had a built-in support network in the form of their families, communities, churches, etc.

      Gay people never have had that and have had to grow up most afraid of their families, communities, churches, peers, etc.

      Black people have never had to consciously monitor themselves at all times to make sure that they weren’t giving away the fact that they are black. Gay people have had to do this all the time and others fail to realize how incredibly stressed, anxiety-ridden, and dishonest it makes one feel, never actually having anyone know you and lying to all those who care about you.

      Black people have never had to go through the internal turmoil of admitting to themselves that they’re black because society and their family bombarded them with the message that being black is evil and deserving of death since they were children.

      So no, being black and being gay aren’t the same thing, but you’d goddamned think that one historically oppressed minority group could muster up the empathy to help another and understand their plight.

      • Joseph Miceli

        THAT is exactly why I got rid of every gay “acquaintance” that I know voted for Trump. If you can hold your nose and vote for him because you hate “The Blacks” that much then I don’t need to know you.

      • Ethan Baldwin

        We tend to so often forget that there are BLACK GAY PEOPLE. This divide makes no sense, and the campaign is utter bullshit.

        Imagine having to monitor yourself on more than one front.

      • Dom Saunders

        While I generally agree with you, please don’t make the mistake of lecturing to everyone else here what you “think” is the black experience in the country. You don’t know anything. Black people have to consciously monitor their actions all the time ESPECIALLY because they’re black, not the opposite. I make sure not to make any sudden movements or take anything out of my pockets in the (thankfully) rare occasions I’m confronted face-to-face with a cop. Even at a distance, I make sure to mind my own business so as not to even be perceived as a threat. And when walking behind white people, women in particular, I always try to keep as much space between us as physically possible so I don’t get mistaken for a criminal, like what happened to my dad when I was younger, or so that I don’t accidentally set off someone’s rape whistle when all I’m doing is trying to go to work like everyone else that day.

        Want to talk about stress and anxiety? What the hell do you think the BLM movement has been trying to emphasize? What could be more stressful or anxious than worrying about the fact your life depends on the whims of the racist cops who you may have to deal with on any given day? How about that?

        We’ve never had to “go through the internal turmoil of admitting to ourselves that we’re black?” You have to be the most ignorant person on the planet to say something like that. Yes, even more than Trump. Have you looked even five seconds into colorism in the black community, the centuries-old struggle of light-vs-dark skin where the former is seen as more “valuable” because it’s closer to white and passes the infamous paper bag test, and anything darker meant you were less than nothing? An ideology that was forced on us and to this day is still talked about because it’s still a part of much of our mentality? It’s also been a serious problem for rich black celebrities to use their platform to basically deny their blackness, as if to imply that their being rich and wealthy somehow distances them from racism when that’s not how that works? There’s conversations about that too.

        But no, you wouldn’t know about any of those things because you’ve never actually spoken to a black person about anything before, but you want to sit here and talk about oppression olympics as if you know what you’re talking about. I get it, “being black and being gay aren’t the same.” But, hello, I’m black and LGBT and so I see the struggle on both ends. I’ve lived that shit, unlike you, and also unlike you, that has given me particular insight on why I believe with our similarities, black people should have been the MAIN proponents for rights for LGBT people. But unfortunately, again for reasons dating back to literally slavery, black people are highly religious (and for the record, I’m atheist in part because of this) and that has very much a role in why anti-LGBT sentiment is rather high among us. Even for those of us who aren’t that religious, there is that underlying sentiment that comes from hypermasculinity, a phenomenon typically associated with men of color, that being LGBT makes you less of a man, and to be gay means you’re not “strong enough” to fight against things like white supremacy. Several black extremist groups, popularized by so-called “Hoteps,” have been on that tip for a few decades now, happily ignorant of the fact that the main organization fighting for their right to live right now (BLM) is in fact founded by black queer men and women!

        See? This is why you need to shut your mouth (or refrain from typing, as it were) and learn to listen more, because I know you didn’t know any of this until I said it so consider this a favor I’m doing for you so you never look this hopelessly ignorant and stupid ever again.

        • vorpal 😼

          I started with your first and last paragraphs and decided not to bother reading that since you’re determined to be an asshole. Calling me “hopelessly ignorant and stupid” has earned you a block. Next time you want to engage in dialogue, try doing it without being a complete fucking dick.

          I never implied that black people don’t have it damned hard, and I’m sure that they do. I am very much pro-BLM and for equal rights for all. I also recognize that black people face unique challenges that are absolutely terrible and terrifying.

          You completely missed my point that it’s not a competition, and my intention to state that people who are black but still opposed to homosexuality and who reduce us to sex acts instead of appreciating how much we suffer in serious loneliness are completely lacking in empathy.

          “the one who Reads but is never Read”
          Yeah, there’s a good reason for that.

          • Dom Saunders

            I determined to be an asshole? You literally tried to lecture me and other people here on what you consider our lives to be like, as if you have even walked in our shoes or are black, and I set the record straight. Of course you ignored the middle part since that’s the part you completely missed when you were whining about how we somehow don’t have it as hard as you think. Don’t presume to tell me how things are when you haven’t lived my life and that was MY point that you completely missed. And you’re right, I’m never read, because you attempted and failed to try to put me in my place. Don’t lecture and look down on black people just because you have issues with some of us who happen to be problematic. I explained why that was the case, didn’t justify it, but explained it in succinct and nuanced terms and yet you wanted to get on your soapbox and try to tone troll me. Because somehow my using profanity bothered you more than the fact that you were objectively wrong on everything you said.

            Overall, there aren’t any oppression olympics to be had here. All you need to understand is that your understanding of our issues and experiences is fundamentally flawed and the next time you want to tell your white peers how black people are like when you have literally no understanding of such, here’s a protip: don’t. You come off as both ignorant and arrogant. End of story.

          • vorpal 😼

            Keep typing. I’m not reading it.

          • Dom Saunders

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • vorpal 😼

            I think you’ve proven something, but it’s not remotely what you think it is, cupcake.

          • Fred L Anthony

            Dom for all you know vorpal MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A BLACK PERSON YOU CAN NOT TELL BY ONES PICTURE OR NAME so your
            enlightening of him/her” is a bit arrogant

          • Schlukitz

            Hi Vorpal. I’ve been away from this site for awhile and missed all that has transpired during my absence. While playing catch-up on events that have transpired on JMG, I came across Dom’s verbally abusive comment that he heaped on you in response to your commentary.

            It stood out for me like a sore thumb because the very first comment that I posted on my return with respect to the Keven Spacey issue, was met by an equally verbally abusive response by Dom where he ranked me out and flat-out called me stupid despite the fact that I have never, ever, personally attacked him, denigrated him or resorted to name-calling as he did. I had a hard time understanding where all of that faux moral outrage and indignation was coming from.

            One has only to read through his past comments history to see how abusive he can be and has been with many of the commentators on this site. I sometimes get the feeling that he is walking around with a chip on his shoulder and daring someone, anyone, to knock it off.

            Apparently, Dom has yet to learn that a plate of honey will attract far more bees than one filled with vinegar. I am sorry that you had to be the butt of Dom’s misplaced anger and hostility.

            You deserve so much better than that.

            Best regards, my friend.

          • vorpal 😼

            Hi Schlukitz!

            =gentle pounce hugs=

            I have recalled feeling on several occasions like I was had seen far fewer comments from you, if any at all. Is everything alright with you?

            I had to go refresh my memory re: Dom’s comments to know what you were talking about, as clearly they didn’t make much of an impression, but knew what you were talking about once I saw his profile. Honestly, I still don’t even know exactly =what= he said in response to me, because I barely read any of it: I noticed his last paragraph right away and realized what kind of comment it would be, and that I didn’t need to introduce that into my day. Similarly, I didn’t read his responses. If he hadn’t immediately come across as such an asshat, I suspect we could have had a very pleasant and productive exchange, as he probably does have a different perspective than mine and valuable things to say: I’m just not going to subject myself to an abusive tirade in order to learn what those things are.

            All it takes is a couple of pages of his comments on his profile to see that he is a mean-spirited person out to get a rise out of other people, and he projects his anger onto others: he seems like one of those, “U TRIGGERED, BRO?” GIF meme posters whenever someone expresses any sort of dissent.

            I’m very sorry that you were treated like that. You have always been a treasure here, at least in my eyes, and I was delighted to get a comment notification from you!

            I suspect that people like Dom choose to be miserable. We don’t have to let them take the rest of us down with them.

            Fortunately for both of us, there are much, much better people on this site, and many of them! Even the disagreements here are often civilly and respectfully conducted, which is one of the things I love about JMG.

            Happy to have you back, Schlukitz, and thanks for your message and for thinking of me! =happy meows=

        • bryanfoust

          Both sides need to take a chill pill here. I’ll simply say it. Humans are pieces of shit – period. I’ll never understand why humans put a value on skin color. What does skin color have to do with the content of ones character, intelligence, or skills? Same thing for sexual orientation. It has nothing to do with the content of ones character, intelligence, or skills. BOTH sides see active persecution and discrimination to this day.

          No, I don’t know what it’s like to be black – I’m white. I AM gay, and am VERY guarded about it until I am 1000% certain that I’m not going to be shredded for admitting it. Both blacks and the LGBT community need to look WITHIN their respective communities FIRST to fix much of the issues of discrimination. Black communities need to get a handle on the crime and gangs, and they need to do it from WITHIN, not waiting for the government to fix it for them. The government WANTS these issues as it makes for good propaganda on TV, and it makes for good talking points to get the black vote at election day. I look back at the videos of MLK. Suits, ties, pressed slacks and shirts. They dressed to the nines and showed pride in who they are. Today for whatever reason that belies my understanding, the style is to have your ass hanging out of your pants, and generally looking like you woke up from a drunken stupor out of a ditch. They want the public to take them seriously looking like this? Guess what – underwear goes INSIDE the pants. Clean up, dress respectfully. Start investing in the FAMILY unit. Don’t marginalize those within the black community who are successful. Be happy for them and encourage more to do the same. Poverty is not a culture. Your heritage is, and is something that one should take pride in.

          The LGBT community has got to get a grip on it’s own behavior. Running around in assless chaps, virtually nude, and looking like a circus clown in pride parades only serves to cement that fetish image that the public at large perceives and is grossed out by. Fuck the christian taliban. You’ll never get their support. I have a fascinating idea. If a bakery or a restaurant doesn’t want to make your cake or cater your wedding. Don’t give them shit. Go next door and give the baker or restaurant that IS willing to take your money. Pass word of mouth of support for those who do. Pass word of mouth for negative support for those who do not. Like the black community, it’s time to dress to impress, not look like you’re ready to bend over for the first person who wants to score. You can dress fashionable and still show pride in who you are.

          Enough of the bickering already. It’s LONG overdue for ALL of the minority communities, and the LGBT community to stand together against ALL forms of discrimination for ANY reason.

    • Chris Baker

      … and don’t forget the beatings and murders. It was also much easier for gay people to hide in plain sight that it was for African Americans to hide. And many of the abuse and rejection took place from a gay person’s own family. It still does.

    • Southeast PDXer

      And don’t forget about all of the “You can’t have marriage – why aren’t you okay with just having a civil partnership? It’s the same.” That type of “separate but equal” was wrong for LGBT people just like separate schools and water fountains were wrong for black people.

    • Ninja0980

      Not to mention the vile Federal Marriage Amendment from the 2000’s.
      Would have been only the second time in history that the Constitution was used to take away rights from people and not give them.

    • John30013

      Don’t forget the killings. From Nazi Germany’s gas chambers to Matthew Sheppard tied to a fence, to all the LGBT children beaten by adults or bullied into suicide by their peers–and yes, to extra-judicial killings by religious fanatics throughout the world; our community had certainly been subject to the murderous impulses of our fellow humans who simply can’t see is as equally human.

    • clay

      (there were separate water fountains for gay and effeminate men in some locations between 1984 and 1992)

    • Chris Gardner
    • Priya Lynn

      If they could have identified gays and lesbians by appearance there would have been separate water fountains.

      • olandp

        Especially during the 80s and 90s.

    • jerry

      This is putting into action tactics discussed last week at their hate conference–Values Voter Summit. These hate groups admitted that attacking gay/lesbian/bi people was now a losing strategy, but they could still divide and conquer by attacking trans people…and try to ratchet up an LGB vs. T divide. The same way, they’re still trying to get people of color to hate the LGBT community, and vice versa.

    • Terry

      I’m sick of people acting as if we had to have a literal separate water fountain in order to say we were discriminated against.

    • EyeJelly

      and then there was that whole Nazi holocaust thing.

    • cleos_mom

      (content removed by author for repetition — the point was already made several times)

  • Barry William Teske

    HATE and faith.
    Together at last.
    Almost as if it was something made in heaven…

    • Uncle Mark

      Hate & Faith…Isn’t that the moment the Christians created hell?

    • slightlyamused

      When were they separated?

  • Nic Peterson

    Careful Brothers! If Jack doesn’t want you having his back and he is in a β€˜Stand Your Ground’ state with a Second Amendment penis enlargement device, you know what comes next, right?

  • Boreal
    • Joseph Miceli

      Now quote MLK again, you mother fucking bitch!
      Lord, Lord I despise TP.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Oops, posted the same image.

      • Boreal

        That’s ok. The more it appears online, the better. I should have put a perKKKins hashtag in my post so it comes up when people search his name.

  • Using god to turn blacks against gays.
    Tony Perkins hits a new low.
    Lets hope the lows hit back.

    • He’s been on this down-low for years already. (Pun intended.)

    • Uncle Mark

      Didn’t the Mormons do that in California a few years back? The FRC & Mormons…two groups that have no desire to have the Black community in their ranks, but only as useful tools.

    • Todd20036

      That certainly doesn’t work in DC, though I cannot vouch for every last person.
      I’ve been called the occasional derogatory name by a black person (in anger on the street).
      But that just means bigots come in all minorities – doesn’t mean one minority in general hates another.
      I suspect Perkkkins is in for some disappointments.

    • LaChatSayWha

      Exactly. Divide and conquer.

      On the positive side, Tony Perkins gets zero recognition from the majority of the Black community except as a racist. And though we have a long way to go, in the last year I have seen so much more mutual understanding between the queer and black communities, mainly because of the efforts of the people who live in the intersection of the groups.

      We are all fighting against the same oppression though it manifests in different ways, and a lot of people easily recognize and immediately discount bullshit efforts at division from these haters.

  • Michael R

    Edie and David Delorme, Aaron and Melissa Klein,
    Victoria Childress, and Jack Phillips can’t act like adults


  • Gigi

    “I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination.

    “My husband, Martin Luther King Jr., once said, ‘We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny… an inescapable network of mutuality,… I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be.’ Therefore, I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.” — Coretta Scott King

    • The Milkman

      What an admirable woman she was.

  • Ernest Endevor

    “Now, almost a decade into this clash between religious liberty and same-sex marriage…” You’ve managed to manufacture three cases.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Sowing black/white discord.

    Russian trolls or American fundies? You decide.

    • Barry William Teske

      The Russian trolls found a virus under their bridge.

    • Uncle Mark

      Don’t we have BOTH collaborating with this regime?

  • Lumpy Gaga

    If clergy could bake cakes, they’d have real jobs.

  • Jack

    That s&%t makes me livid.

    Blacks and white all too often comment in a way that shows they think that “civil rights (as in the statutes that protect as) are a reward or compensation for the atrocities of slavery and the indignities of Jim Crow. Yet, Title II includes religion, color, and national origin. Title VII adds sex. So the law is about something different — a perceived need to protect certain groups from denials based on prejudice (at least that is how I understand it).

    “Y’all didn’t go through what we did” shows, at the very least, ignorance of how queer people have been treated. I can deal with ignorance — because we’re all ignorant about something. But even in the face of the facts, they’d hold on to their insistence that “sin” =/= skin.

    My salvation, what keeps me sanish, is playing the Jew card — I have mine in my wallet. I won’t play “who had it worse” but I will take the stand that we had it bad, and i don’t see any difference.

  • Adam Stevens

    Adult heterosexual manly-men crying about baking wedding cakes?

    It’s a new dawn, it’s a new day, it’s a new life, and I’m feeling good.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      People are free to say “Happy Birthday” again.

  • William of Glynn

    “… countless Christian wedding vendors who’ve been persecuted for their faith.”

    Actually, Tony, they can pretty much be counted on the fingers of one hand.

    • djcoastermark

      The statement tony made indicates that he might not have learnt to count?

    • Annerdr

      My husband and I have a business in the wedding industry and just booked a wedding between two men. It sparked a conversation about whose money would we not accept. Barring illegal acts, we’re willing to take money from anybody.

    • Priya Lynn

      and they weren’t punished for their faith, they were punished for discriminating against innocent people

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    Something else that never happened: Black parents kicking their kids out of the house for being black.

    • zhera

      An other thing that never happened: Tony PerKKKins being happy about equal rights for black people.

      • clay

        . . . or children.

    • Keiffer

      Yeah, what are the statistics of black teenagers successfully committing or attempting suicide because they were black?

      • Priya Lynn

        I’m pretty sure there probably were a few who experienced such severe racism they killed themselves. But no where near the percentage of LGBT teenagers.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “Tired of hearing the LGBT community compare its experience to the real suffering of the civil rights movement”

    Because LGBT people never faced institutionalized discrimination or cultural discrimination (look at being gay or an atheist in the Black community). No one is saying they are exactly the same experienced, but I guess they really want to play the persecution Olympics.

  • zhera

    PerKKKins and black people, working together? I wonder how many times per day PerKKKins throws up in his mouth because ewww, icky black people have equal rights! Whaaaaa!


    • Lumpy Gaga

      Bake me one of those, please!

      (In exactly those colors).

  • lymis

    The fact that it’s not exactly the same doesn’t make it any less REAL, assholes.

  • William

    Oppressing other people makes me feel better.

    • Goodboy

      At least you know you’re higher on the totem pole. That’s gotta count.

      • Bad Tom

        Just don’t look up!

  • lymis

    Any black American that allies with Tony Perkins is a complete idiot.

  • agcons

    Poor Cottonelle. Clearly arranging flowers isn’t as dangerous, and therefore has less delicious martyrdom potential, than baking cakes.

  • colo303

    So they want to use false equivalency to prove a point? Gays have been persecuted for a lot longer than America has been around for.

    • Schlukitz


  • mikeinftl

    I thought it about local public accommodation laws not the First Amendment.

  • greenmanTN

    I’m going to be β€œprovocative” I suppose, but I’m sick of this argument, and I suggest that race and sexuality have far more in common than they are different.

    Like race, LGBT people have existed at all times, in every known human civilization. We know this from their art, laws, and recorded history. We know there WILL be LGBT people, though we can’t predict exactly where they will come from, unlike race.

    Like race, sexuality has met differing levels of acceptance and intolerance, including violent oppression, bigotry, and even murder.

    I am by no means says they SHOULD do this, but races of people have the option to move to cities and countries where they are in fact the majority. LGBT people do not have that option.

    People of various races are born into families like themselves, surrounded by those who can help them navigate the world and the oppression they face. Again, gays do not have that option, that advantage.

    While most LGBT people are able to hide, unlike people of various races, that is a double edged sword. By being able to hide we negate our own existence, make ourselves invisible, and reduce our political influence. It also leads to self-loathing and β€œkapos” like the homocons who daily sell us out hoping for personal advantage.

    Last and far from least, Rights are not finite and suffering isn’t a competition. We have rights because we were born with them, not because some arbitrary level of pain has been reached.

    So… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c188ce22b46a5cb33006078024f8993987b91d33d053687d23eb80449b12e227.gif

    • zhera


    • TJay229

      That’s your opinion… You’re entitled to it. Some may disagree with some points you made though. But… It was thought out and expressed well.


    • clay

      Exclusionary categories of race and sexuality are also cultural inventions.

  • Bert_Bauer

    Blacks were not subject to mass extermination by Nazis as LGBT people were. Latinos were not rounded up and placed in interment camps during World War II. White women were not forced to drink from separate drinking fountains. Why am I even bothering? These conservative lowlifes are against civil rights for these groups as well. And let’s not forget the Christian Taliban’s close ties to the Klan and white supremacists.

  • Rex

    If the LGBT community just sat back and did nothing to defend their rights you can bet there soon would be discrimination as obvious as separate drinking fountains and blasts from a fire hose. And some of these so-called “men of god” would be behind some of the most heinous discrimination.

    • zhera

      There would be prisons and consentration camps. Like certain countries are doing now…

  • Natty Enquirer

    Once again, it comes down to their adamant belief that homosexuality is a chosen behavior rather than an innate characteristic.”You can’t help being black, but you can stop having gay sex.” That and they don’t like anyone taking a slice of their persecution pie.

    • lymis

      And yet, religion is unquestionably a chosen behavior, and they don’t complain about it getting unquestionably special rights.

  • 5moreminutes*imtired

    Yes. Correct. We are different, and no less deserving of equal rights. Ya assholes.

  • fuow
  • TampaZeke

    Absolutely shameful. Do they not realize that they’re being used by racist homophobes to divide us so that we don’t ally with each other to fight against our common oppressors?

    This is a tactic that the rich and powerful have used since the very beginning of human history to keep the oppressed from banding together.

  • MusicBear88

    The sick game of “who suffered more?” has been played for a very long time. You’d think that oppressed or marginalized people would share a common experience and try to work against it together, but no…

    • fuow

      Oh, hell, no. Just look at how we on the left couldn’t even unite against Trump back in November 2016.

      • The_Wretched

        And your one note of hate helps so much….

        • fuow

          Yeah, well, bitch, at least I vote. Guilty, much?

          • The_Wretched

            Weird lies and accusations. Make stuff up much? Assert without a basis much?

    • Those in power know that if they can get all the various groups fighting each other, they won’t fight against the people oppressing all of us. It works way too often.

    • Completely off topic, but you have an awesome avatar,

      • MusicBear88

        Thank you. It’s from a production I did of Merry Widow a few years back. They let me keep the hat!

  • edrex

    “It’s certainly no industry for cowards…” i couldn’t agree more. how cowardly must a person be to fear a same sex couple’s wedding cake? that’s some professional league cowardliness.

  • kareemachan

    Gee, I’m glad they have the resources to do this.

    Translation: Eat shit.

  • Gay people have suffered a great deal of oppression in the US, but obviously not nearly to the extent that people of African descent (and other racial and ethnic minorities) did. If it’s a contest, I guess we lose (not that I’d want anyone to win). But what does that matter. It’s a talking point to encourage African American people to be homophobic. The two most appalling social trends to me are homophobia in the black community and racism among gay people. None of us have any excuse for that shit. The religious right has been appealing to black religious conservatives for quite some time. That wedge serves neither the interests of African Americans or lbgt people. Only the racist Teavangelicals that now run our country.

  • Since fuckin’ WHEN are Christians persecuted in the USA?

    • Guess?

      When you don’t say Merry Christmas to them. Nothing in the world is worse than that!!

  • DaveMiller135

    I don’t know that it’s really a contest to see who had it worst. In the ad, I’m not seeing the illustration of generations of men following gays home from bars, etc., and beating them to death with baseball bats, with little in the way of investigation after. Or murdering someone, and getting acquitted with the “He made eyes at me, so I had to kill him” defense. I’m not seeing AIDS being treated as a joke by the White House, with more spent on the outbreak of Legionnaires Disease in the first three weeks, than was spent on AIDS in the first three years.

    In all events, if you say you’ll make cakes for the general public, you have to serve the whole public. You wouldn’t want my religious views forced on you, Tony, and you don’t have a right to force yours on others.

    • Uncle Mark

      It’s NOT about cake !! It’s never been about cake, or flowers, or photographers. We must always be cognizant that it’s about the right of any doctor, policeman, pharmacist, EMT, fireman to discriminate against gay people (and eventually others deemed “undesirable”). We’ve had pharmacists denying women access to birth control, exercising some moral superiority over others’ personal freedoms. We’ve had a physician even rejecting a child because the parents were lesbian. Will we have physicians refusing to treat people with certain diseases/infections, because “they deserved it?”

      When such vile people are given the unlimited right to exercise their prejudices, then people who reside in small towns of such hateful bigotry will find themselves denied services on every level…their very lives made a hell. It will NOT be limited to sexuality or race either.

      This becomes the very antithesis of what America was all about

  • BearEyes

    Divide and conquer

  • TJay229

    As a Proud Black Gay MAN, I am in the unique position of seeing BOTH sides of the coin. More times than not, I fall on the Black side, because that discrimination is FIRST, the Anti gay bias isn’t shown until you “alert” / “inform” them that your gay. So it is very different.

    I’ve never heard of a Homosexual being shot in the back at a Wal-Mart for being gay, But I do know of a Case where a White man called 911 to report that a Black man had a Shot gun ( turns out it was a BB Gun Wal-Mart sold) walking in the store was shot in the back… Dead. BUT I have for a Black man

    I’ve never read a story of a group of Black kids all jumped into their trucks to go hunting for gays, and they find one, beat him silly and run him over with their truck, then go to McDonald’s and say “We had a good time beating that gay up” BUT I have for a Black Man.

    I just try to avoid fighting folks about rights using this debate… It’s very tricky. Black folks should not use it, and White people should definitely not use it.

    • kat

      And I’ve never heard of a black kid being kicked out of his own home because his parents found out he was black.

      So fuck your false comparisons.

    • Friday

      Actually, there sure are brutal murders of LGBT people by straights of all kinds of races, …and yeah, sometimes they *do* brag about it. Also, not everyone even *looks* or ‘reads’ straight, and people do pry, so this idea ‘It’s your fault if you don’t hide from us’ doesn’t wash, that’s actually the same as ‘You shouldn’t have come to this part of town’ etc etc.

      People aren’t *supposed* to have to hide in a free country for our own safety, and you may note the Christians and Muslims are on a real bandwagon of official persecution wherever and to the extent they are allowed the power. Particularly against trans people and others that may *not* all look just like everyone else.

      • TJay229

        Ok. I’m not defending or debating what I said. As I said I am in the unique position to see the argument from both sides, ARE YOU?

        And one fun fact.

        The last example WAS of a Black man that was GAY also.

        • Friday

          I understand *intersectionality,* in my case about being a queer person of a non-Christian faith, and obviously racism is still a huge thing, especially when Christians of any color are incited to violence against the nearest or most vulnerable LGBT people.

          Your ‘unique position’ doesn’t mean there’s actually ‘sides’ or an ‘oppression competition’ here, especially when we’re all up against the exact same bigots and often the exact same tactics and rationales.

          Trashing civil equality isn’t something your ‘black side’ would be able to confine to LGBT people or non-Fundies or whatever. It’s either axiomatic for everyone in our society, or *no one* has it.

        • Priya Lynn

          I’m white and I see both sides.

    • Priya Lynn

      I’ve heard lots of times where young men have gone hunting for gays and beat them silly and killed them.

      • TJay229

        Links please or STFU!

  • Hank
  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    “he’ll have the support of the nation, according to polls.”

    The fuck he talking about ?

  • Ross

    Ahhhh, I get it.

    Some black leaders say their struggle for equality is NOT the same as the LGBT struggle.

    TRANSLATION: some black leaders are trying to deny their homophobia.

    • It’s not the same, obviously. But I don’t think there could have been a gay rights movement without first a civil rights movement and then a women’s rights movement. In that order. Without those we’d still be cowering in closets afraid of losing family, friends and careers if anyone found out. If I reference civil rights leaders it’s because I know that I owe them and want to honor their achievements.

      • Ross

        I am in awe of the civil rights struggles of the 1950s and 1960s.

        I am appalled that civil rights leaders of today would deny the LGBT struggles.

        • TJay229

          Uh.. Those people are NOT civil rights leaders.
          Both the NAACP & SCLC joined in our fight for equality. Those are some folks eager to stand in front of a mic.

          “They all don’t look alike…” πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ€£ (It was to easy, I had to)

          • Ross

            Thanks for pointing out the difference.

            Yes, my using “civil rights” leaders was incorrect. I would update my comment but that would impact your comment!

          • TJay229

            I know what you meant tho.. I was just teasing you. πŸ˜‰πŸ‘

        • These aren’t civil rights leaders. All the major civil rights leaders and organizations have come out for gay rights. And most did it at least 20 years ago. Actual leaders are aware of this divide and conquer strategy. The religious right has been playing this game since all those anti-gay ballot initiatives starting in the 90s. They are well aware that the people doing this aren’t for their rights either.

  • Moonbeam_Song

    Every form of discrimination and bias can be different. What women face isn’t the same exact thing that people of color face, isn’t what Latinx people face, isn’t the same exact thing that people with disabilities face, and none of it takes the exact same form as the discrimination that LGBTQ people face.

    But it’s all discrimination and bigotry. And it’s all based on making one group subordinate and inferior and treating them as “less than” the majority. And making sure they aren’t considered equals as citizens.

    So, while the discrimination one group faces may not look exactly the same as that faced by another group, there are also broad similarities as well.

    We should be allies to each other, recognizing our common humanity, rather than trying to one-up each other on whose discrimination is worse.

    • The_Wretched

      Atheists are discriminated against as well but it’s a bit of a different flavor since we are harder to identify. I’m more out at work about my sexuality than my lack of belief in the xtian god.

    • Friday

      Not to mention the Christian Right has used the very same, or slightly adapted versions of arguments against the rights of almost every one of the groups they’ve targeted over the centuries: it’s often the exact same *people* doing it, …you’d think these ‘Black Christians’ would at least be careful enough to look at where this hate-speech is *coming* from.

    • easygoingmister

      I’ll sing this Moonbeam Song until I can sing no more.

  • SFHarry

    Sure it’s not the same but it doesn’t have to be exactly the same. We need a follow up ad that says, “…but what did happen” and show multiple images of:
    1. Parents kicking kids out of homes and homeless on the streets.
    2. Gays wearing the pink triangle in a concentration camp.
    3. Gays undergoing shock therapy and lobotomies.
    4. Gays dying from AIDS and and no resources put into helping
    5. Gays being killed for being gay
    6. Gays being kicked out of housing, jobs and families when exposed.
    7. Gays being kicked out of the army or not being able to serve in the first place.
    8. etc.
    Discrimination doesn’t have to be exactly the same to be actionable. Both can be horrendous.

    • edrex

      my only quibble would be changing “what did happen” to “what DOES happen.”

    • Rocco

      Perfectly put. Hopefully someone with the ability to make that ad steps forward.

    • Uncle Mark

      Let’s not forget the image of those very churches KILLING gay people, by beating them to death in their “attempts to exorcise the gay demons.”

    • Friday

      Don’t forget all the police abuse and official persecution that Stonewall was all about, not to mention the way the Christian Right’s *trying* to segregate LGBT people away from the rest of society, presently by treating trans people like the same kind of boogeymen they treated Black men as not so long ago, how many LGBT kids end up exploited, denied educational services, etc etc.

      Black people who believe Trump-loving PerKKKins about anything, never mind letting the Christians gut *all* civil rights laws ought to realize that’s just a dumb idea if they *don’t* want to go back to how it was in the Sixties.

  • Beach N8iv

    Ask yourselves VERY CAREFULLY. Do you REALLY want this war?

  • JustDucky

    Despite what Tony PerKKKins would like people to believe, there is a lot of historical overlap between the treatment of black people and LGBT people. For example, during WW2 black people were forced to use special showers:


    And so were LGBT people:



    So PerKKKins can fuck right off.

  • vorpal 😼

    “I resent having my race compared to what other people do in bed.”

    Once again, gay people are reduced to sex acts.

    • Uncle Mark

      Actually, I’ve heard what some of Perkkkin’s people have said about people of color…especially when they say something along the lines of “They breed like rats,” or “those people have all the morals of alley cats.” So someone may ‘resent having their race compared to what other people are doing in bed,’ but what they’re saying about you isn’t all that different.

      • -M-

        These phony civil rights leaders that Tony is trotting out for camouflage also ignore the similarity in arguments used against both interracial marriage and same-sex marriage.

      • Priya Lynn

        And gays and lesbians are discriminated against even if they aren’t doing anything in bed – its a lie that this is just about “what other people are doing in bed”.

  • The_Wretched

    “Baking cakes can be a dangerous line of work these days.”<—yeah, you might get some frosting on your frock.

    • Annerdr

      Hey! Red frosting is a bitch to get out. It is a serious staining issue.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Nothing beats blueberry filling. It’s like Napalm! It never comes out.

      • The_Wretched

        My daughter also recently had some black frosting the made for bright green poops. That was a big to do.

        • Annerdr

          Or a big doo-doo. Whichever.

  • ETownCanuck

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
    -Martin Luther King Jr.

    This is not the persecution Olympics, do not let the haters try to frame it as such in order to drive a wedge between us.

  • Joseph Miceli

    I was listening to the “Christian” station on the radio last night and they were talking about teen suicide. The very first thing that popped into my head while listening to the “oh-so-very-compassionate” voices whispering like dusty insects through my speakers, was “how many of those kids did YOU…personally!…drive to suicide with your “Christian” bullshit?
    Now Tonette “TP” Perkins is here trying to drive a wedge between people of color and LGBTQ individuals by inviting us to play the “who suffered more” Olympics. No one wins in that game. Besides, why would anyone of color listen to him? He’s a racist from way back, having addressed KKK groups before.
    I hope Tony Perkins dies and I hope he dies soon so he can start experiencing the eternal hellfire that he so often wishes on everyone else, but since there’s no God and no Hell I’ll just settle for him dying painfully of cancer. it still won’t make up for all the children he’s helped kill, but you have to start somewhere.

  • Macbill

    The Satanic Temple wants bakers to make cakes for Satan.
    The Satanic Temple points out that sexual orientation is not a protected class under the Civil Rights Act of 1964, even though religion is. Now, the group says it is trying to use its protected status to force bakers to make satanic cakes.


    • Friday

      Kind of aside from the point, since religious *content* between religious groups is pretty well covered ground. No one has to make “Satanic Cakes” or “Christian Cakes,” just have to sell the same products to for the same prices on the basis of where in a ‘protected class’ like ‘religion’ a customer is in.

  • RaygunsGoZap

    Nothing to see here other than a bunch of Steppen Fetchit charlatans lying for Je$us!

    • kat

      Proof positive that black Christians are as ignorant and vile as white Christians.

  • Pip

    My favorite kind of push back on civil rights. It’s the tired Woe Was Me argument. Instead of agreeing that all should be treated equally point out how someone else had it worse. You must suffer this much to ride this civil rights ride.

  • NowVoyager

    How soon they forget.

    L.G.B.T. People Are More
    Likely to Be Targets of
    Hate Crimes Than Any
    Other Minority Group


  • 2patricius2

    “vandalized, threatened, fined, mocked, and sued…” You mean like LGBT people targeted by you, Tony? Or are you talking about your actions toward LGBT people, and simply lying, claiming we are doing the same thing to these poor, suffering, christianist baker people, with icing on their fingers, and venom in their hearts?

  • Oh, goody — another round of Oppression Olympics.

    Clever of Perkins, though — get the two groups he hates most fighting each other.

  • JWC

    The hate based religious right would like nothing better than to fragment and divide minorities Drive wedges between. I do not necessarily agree that the plight of Black America is vastly different from the LBGTQ .In fact they are more alike than different. I am qute sure also that many Blacks do not care for the LGBTQ community I don’t understand double bigotry

  • Richard B

    The haters just have to hate, feel like their invisible god allows them to hate, and for hateful reasons, can’t just can’t just treat everyone the same when they do business with the public.
    People are born gay, but the believers in the invisible angry god are taught to hate and choose to hate.

  • Dean

    Black America. You’re about to be played again. The head of the organization these posters come from is Tony Perkins. He used to be an associate of DAVID DUKE before he decided that hating gay people was more lucrative than hating black people. Now the organization this sorry excuse for a human being heads needs numbers. So here they come to pit black against gay. Don’t you love how it’s “Wegotyourbackjack.com” and not “We’vegotyourbackjack.com”? I guess they figure you’re not too concerned about fancy concepts like proper spelling and grammar, and besides, the first one sounds WAY more ghetto and will probably bring more of you in. Aren’t you tired of this disrespect? I know I am.

    By the way Tony Perkins, I think all of these people would strongly disagree with you about just how persecuted the LGBT community is if they were still alive to do so. I’ll stop being “political” about this when you give me the basic respect that EVERY person deserves you CHINO grifter.

    March 9, 1969 [9] – Howard Efland, a gay man who had checked into the Dover Hotel in Los Angeles, under the pseudonym J. McCann, was beaten to death by officers of the Los Angeles Police Department.[10]
    June 24, 1973 – An arsonist burned the Upstairs Lounge, a gay bar in New Orleans, killing 32 people.[11]
    June 21, 1977 – Robert Hillsborough was stabbed to death in San Francisco by a man shouting “faggot”.[12]
    July 5, 1978 – A gang of youths armed with baseball bats and tree branches assaulted several men in an area of Central Park in New York City that was known to be frequented by homosexuals. The victims were assaulted at random, but the assailants later confessed that they had deliberately set out to the park to attack homosexuals. One of those injured was former figure skater Dick Button, who was assaulted while watching a fireworks display in the park.[13][14]
    November 27, 1978 – Openly gay San Francisco city supervisor Harvey Milk, along with Mayor George Moscone, was assassinated by political rival Dan White at San Francisco City Hall. Outrage over the assassinations and the short sentence given to White (seven years) prompted the White Night riots.[15]
    January 1979 – Tennessee Williams was beaten by five teenage boys in Key West. He escaped serious injury. The episode was part of a spate of anti-gay violence inspired by an anti-gay newspaper ad run by a local Baptist minister.[16]
    June 5, 1979 – Terry Knudsen was beaten to death by three men in Loring Park in Minneapolis, Minnesota.[17]
    September 7, 1979 – Robert Allen Taylor was stabbed to death near Loring Park in Minneapolis. A local reporter interviewed the murderer from jail and was told, “I don’t like gays. Okay?”[17]
    October 7, 1979 – 17-year-old Steven Charles of Newark, New Jersey, was beaten to death in New York City by Robert DeLicio, Costabile “Gus” Farace, Farace’s cousin Mark Granato, and David Spoto. They also beat Charles’ friend, 16-year-old Thomas Moore of Brooklyn. Moore was critically injured but managed to get help at a nearby residence. Moore identified the four men via a lineup four days after the incident. Farace, the leader of the attack, pleaded guilty to first-degree manslaughter and was paroled after eight years, in 1988. He, himself was murdered on November 17, 1989.[18]
    1982 – The beating of Rick Hunter and John Hanson by Minneapolis police outside the Y’all Come Back Saloon on January 1, 1982. Hennepin County Hospital emergency room staff employees testified in court that the police called the two men “faggots” while the men were being treated for their injuries.[19]
    1982 – Robert Altom died in 1982 after being attacked by Cecil Corrie Turner outside the former JB’s Paradise Room on North Vancouver Avenue in Portland, Oregon.[20]
    1984 – Charlie Howard was drowned in Bangor, Maine for being “flamboyantly gay”.[21]
    May 13, 1988 – Rebecca Wight was killed when she and her partner, Claudia Brenner, were shot by Stephen Roy Carr while hiking and camping along the Appalachian Trail. Carr later claimed that he became enraged by the couple’s lesbianism when he saw them having homosexual relations.[22]
    May 15, 1988 – Tommy Lee Trimble and John Lloyd Griffin, two gay men, were harassed and later shot by Richard Lee Bednarski in Dallas, Texas. Bednarski was later convicted of the two murders but was sentenced to 30 years rather than life in prison. The judge who issued the sentence, Jack Hampton, said later that he did so because the victims were homosexuals who wouldn’t have been killed if they “hadn’t been cruising the streets” for men. Hampton’s comments caused considerable controversy. He was later censured for his remarks and ultimately lost a bid for judicial re-election in 1992.[23][24]

  • Ellipse Kirk

    Well, no black kids have been disowned by their parents just for being black, so what. Equality and equivalence are not precisely the same thing.

  • Dean

    On April 29, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to extend federal law to classify as “hate crimes” attacks based on a victim’s sexual orientation or gender identity (as well as mental or physical disability).[44] The U.S Senate passed the bill on October 22, 2009.[45] The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act was signed into law by President Barack Obama on October 28, 2009.[46]

    July 3, 2000 – Arthur “J.R.” Warren was punched and kicked to death in Grant Town, West Virginia by two teenage boys who reportedly believed Warren had spread a rumor that he and one of the boys, David Allen Parker, had a sexual relationship. Warren’s killers ran over his body to disguise the murder as a hit-and-run. Parker pleaded guilty and was sentenced to “life in prison with mercy”, making him eligible for parole after 15 years.[47] His accomplice, Jared Wilson, was sentenced to 20 years.[48]
    September 22, 2000 – Ronald Gay entered a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia and opened fire on the patrons, killing Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others. Ronald said he was angry over what his name now meant, and deeply upset that three of his sons had changed their surname. He claimed that he had been told by God to find and kill lesbians and gay men, describing himself as a “Christian Soldier working for my Lord”; Gay testified in court that “he wished he could have killed more fags,” before several of the shooting victims as well as Danny Overstreet’s family and friends.[49]
    June 16, 2001 – Fred Martinez, a transgender and two-spirit student, was bludgeoned to death near Cortez, Colorado by 18-year-old Shaun Murphy, who reportedly bragged about attacking a “fag”.[50][51]
    August 25, 2001 Gary Raynall was found brutally beaten to death in Leawood, Kansas. The case is still unsolved and family members believe his death was a hate crime. [52]
    June 12, 2002 – Philip Walsted, a gay man, was fatally beaten with a baseball bat. According to prosecutors, the neo-Nazi views of Walsted’s assailant’s, David Higdon, led to what was originally a robbery escalating to murder. Higdon was sentenced to life in prison, plus an additional sentence for robbery.[53]
    August 6, 2002 – Rodney Velasquez, a 26-year-old Latino gay man, was found murdered in the bathtub of his Bronx apartment.[54]
    October 3, 2002 – Gwen Araujo, a trans woman, was murdered by at least three men who were charged with committing a hate crime. Two were convicted of murder, the third manslaughter; however, the jury rejected the hate crime enhancement.
    December 24, 2002 – Nizah Morris, a 47-year-old black trans woman, was possibly murdered in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.[55]
    December 12, 2001 – Terrianne Summers, a 51-year-old trans woman and activist for transgender rights, was shot and killed in her front yard in Florida. No arrests were made and police did not investigate her murder as a hate crime.[56] Terriane’s high visibility as a trans woman due to her activist role has led her to be included in lists of anti LGBT hate crimes, although lack of police interest in her murder means the motives behind the killing may never be known.
    May 11, 2003 – Sakia Gunn, a black 15-year-old lesbian, was murdered in Newark, New Jersey. While waiting for a bus, Gunn and her friends were propositioned by two men. When the girls rejected their advances, declaring themselves to be lesbians, the men attacked them. One of the men, Richard McCullough, fatally stabbed Gunn. In exchange for his pleading guilty to several lesser crimes including aggravated manslaughter, prosecutors dropped murder charges against McCullough, who was sentenced to 20 years.[57][58]
    June 17, 2003 – Richie Phillips of Elizabethtown, Kentucky was killed by Joseph Cottrell. His body was later found in a suitcase in Rough River Lake. During his trial, two of Cottrell’s relatives testified that he lured Phillips to his death, and killed him because he was gay.[59] Cottrell was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.[60]
    July 23, 2003 – Nireah Johnson and Brandie Coleman were shot to death by Paul Moore, when Moore learned after a sexual encounter that Johnson was transgender.[61] Moore then burned his victims’ bodies. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 120 years in prison.[62]
    July 31, 2003 – 37-year-old Glenn Kopitske was shot and stabbed in the back by 17-year-old Gary Hirte, a straight-A student, star athlete and Eagle Scout,[63] in Winnebago County, Wisconsin. Prosecutors contended that Hirte murdered Kopitske to see if he could get away with it.[64] Hirte pleaded insanity, claiming he killed Kopitske in a murderous rage after a consensual sexual encounter with the victim, because he felt a homosexual act was “worse than murder”. The ‘temporary insanity’ mitigation plea was not upheld, he was found guilty, and received a life sentence.
    August 2003 – Emonie Spaulding, a black 25-year-old trans woman, was shot to death in Washington, D.C. by Derrick Antwan Lewis after he discovered she was trans.[65]
    July 22, 2004 – 18-year-old Scotty Joe Weaver of Bay Minette, Alabama, was murdered. His burned and partially decomposed body was discovered a few miles from the mobile home in which he lived. He was beaten, strangled and stabbed numerous times, partially decapitated, and his body was doused in gasoline and set on fire.
    October 2, 2004 – Daniel Fetty, a gay man who was hearing-impaired and homeless was attacked by multiple assailants in Waverly, Ohio. Fetty was beaten, stomped, shoved nude into a garbage bin, impaled with a stick, and left for dead; he succumbed to his injuries the next day. Prosecuters alleged a hate crime. Three men received sentences ranging from seven years to life.[66]
    January 28, 2005 – Ronnie Antonio Paris, a three-year-old boy living in Tampa, Florida, died due to brain injuries inflicted by his father, Ronnie Paris, Jr. According to his mother and other relatives, Ronnie Paris, Jr., repeatedly slammed his son into walls, slapped the child’s head, and “boxed” him because he was concerned the child was gay and would grow up a sissy. Paris was sentenced to thirty years in prison.[67][68]
    On February 27, 2005, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, 21-year-old James Maestas was assaulted outside a restaurant, then followed to a hotel and beaten unconscious by men who called him “faggot” during the attack. Although all of his attackers were charged with committing a hate crime, none was sentenced to prison.[69]
    March 11, 2005 – Jason Gage, an openly gay man, was murdered in his Waterloo, Iowa, apartment by an assailant, Joseph Lawrence, who claimed Gage had made sexual advance to him. Gage was bludgeoned to death with a bottle, and stabbed in the neck, probably post-mortem, with a shard of glass.[70] Lawrence was sentenced to fifty years in prison.
    October 25, 2005 – Emanuel Xavier, an openly gay poet and activist, was surrounded and brutally beaten by a group of fifteen to twenty teens on the streets of Bushwick which left him permanently deaf in his right ear.[71]
    February 2, 2006 – 18-year-old Jacob D. Robida entered a bar in New Bedford, Massachusetts, confirmed that it was a gay bar, and then attacked patrons with a hatchet and a handgun, wounding three.[72] He fatally shot himself three days later.[73]
    June 10, 2006 – Kevin Aviance, a female impressionist, musician, fashion designer and “oldest daughter” of the legendary House of Aviance was robbed and beaten in Manhattan by a group of men who yelled anti-gay slurs at him. Four assailants pleaded guilty and received prison sentences.[74]
    July 30, 2006 – Six men were attacked with baseball bats and knives after leaving the San Diego Gay Pride festival. One victim was injured so severely that he had to undergo extensive facial reconstructive surgery. Three men pleaded guilty in connection with the attacks and received prison sentences. A 15-year-old juvenile also pleaded guilty.[75][76]
    October 8, 2006 – Michael Sandy was attacked by four young heterosexual men who lured him into meeting after chatting online, while they were looking for gay men to rob. He was struck by a car while trying to escape his attackers, and died five days later without regaining consciousness.[77][78]
    February 27, 2007 – Andrew Anthos, a 72-year-old disabled gay man, was beaten with a lead pipe in Detroit, Michigan by a man who was shouting anti-gay names at him. Anthos died 10 days later in the hospital.[79]
    March 15, 2007 – Ryan Keith Skipper, a 25-year-old gay man was stabbed to death in Wahneta, Florida. Four suspects were arrested for the crime. The Sheriff is calling it a hate crime.[80]
    March 16, 2007 – Ruby OrdeΓ±ana, a 24-year-old Latina transgender woman, was found naked and strangled to death in San Francisco, CA at 5:40 am.[81][82] Donzell Francis, who was suspected of raping and strangling OrdeΓ±ana, was convicted on December 23, 2009 and sentenced to 17 years and 18 months in prison for forcible oral copulation, robbery, assault causing great bodily injury, and false imprisonment of another transgender woman.[83]
    May 12, 2007 – Roberto Duncanson was murdered in Brooklyn, New York. He was stabbed to death by Omar Willock, who claimed Duncanson had flirted with him.[84]
    May 16, 2007 – Sean William Kennedy, 20, was walking to his car from Brew’s Bar in Greenville, SC when Stephen Andrew Moller, 18, got out of another car and approached Kennedy. Investigators said that Moller made a comment about Kennedy’s sexual orientation, and threw a fatal punch because he didn’t like the other man’s sexual preference.[85]
    October 2007 – Steven Domer, a 62-year-old gay man, was murdered in Oklahoma.[86]
    December 8, 2007 – 25-year-old gay man Nathaniel Salerno was attacked by four men on a Metro train in Washington, DC. The men called him “faggot” while they beat him.[87]
    January 8, 2008 – Stacey Brown, a black 30-year-old trans woman, was found dead in her apartment. She had been shot in the head.[88]
    July 1, 2008 – Ebony Whitaker, an African American trans woman, was shot and killed in Memphis.[89]
    February 2008 – Duanna Johnson, a trans woman, was beaten by a police officer while she was held in the Shelby County Criminal Justice Center in Tennessee. Johnson said the officers reportedly called her a β€œfaggot” and β€œhe-she,” before and during the incident.[90] In November 2008, she was found dead in the street, reportedly gunned down by three unknown individuals.[91]
    February 4, 2008 – Ashley Sweeney, a trans woman, was shot in the head. Her body was found in Detroit, Michigan.[92]
    February 10, 2008 – Sanesha Stewart, a 25-year-old black trans woman was stabbed to death in Bronx, New York.[93]
    February 12, 2008 – Lawrence “Larry” King, a 15-year-old junior highschool student was shot twice by a classmate at E.O. Green School in Oxnard, California. He was taken off life support after doctors declared him brain dead on February 15.[94] According to Associated Press reports, “prosecutors have charged a 14-year-old classmate with premeditated murder with hate-crime and firearm-use enhancements”.[95][96][97]
    February 22, 2008 – Simmie Williams Jr. was a black gender-nonconforming 17-year-old, who was shot dead on a street corner in Broward County, Florida.[98]
    March 16, 2008 – Police say Lance Neve was beaten unconscious in Rochester, New York because Neve was gay. A man attacked Neve at a bar leaving him with a fractured skull, and a broken nose. Jesse Parsons was sentenced to more than five years in prison for the assault.
    May 29, 2008 – Eighteen-year-old Steven Parrish, a member of the 92 Family Swans subgroup of the Bloods, was murdered by Steven T. Hollis III and Juan L. Flythe on orders from gang leader Timothy Rawlings Jr., in Baltimore County, Maryland after they found “gay messages” on his cell phone. The felt having a gay member would make their gang appear weak. Hollis III pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in prison; Flythe was given a life sentence with all but 30 years suspended; and Rawlings was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. A fourth man, Benedict Wureh, pleaded guilty to being an accessory after the fact and was sentenced to time served, about 17 months.[99]
    June 9, 2008 – Jeremy Waggoner, an openly gay hairstylist from Royal Oak, Michigan, was brutally murdered in Detroit. His murder is still unsolved.[100]
    July 17, 2008 – Eighteen-year-old Angie Zapata, a trans woman, was beaten to death in Colorado two days after meeting Allen Ray Andrade. The case was prosecuted as a hate crime, and Andrade was found guilty of first degree murder on April 22, 2009.[101]
    August 20, 2008 – Nahkia Williams, a black trans woman, was shot to death in Louisville, Kentucky. Damon Malone was charged with her murder, robbery, and burglary, and sentenced to 35 years in prison.[102]
    September 7, 2008 – Tony Randolph Hunter, 27, and his partner were attacked and beaten near a gay bar in Washington, D.C. Hunter later died from his injuries on September 18. Police are investigating it as a possible hate crime.[103]
    September 13, 2008 – 26-year-old Nima Daivari was attacked in Denver, Colorado by a man who called him “faggot”. The police that arrived on the scene refused to make a report of the attack.[104]
    September 21, 2008 – 22-year-old trans woman Ruby Molina’s nude body was found facedown on the bank of a river in isolated and undeveloped area in Sacramento, California.[105]
    November 7, 2008 – The home of openly gay Melvin Whistlehunt in Newton, North Carolina was destroyed by arsonists. Investigators found homophobic graffiti spray-painted on the back of the house.[106]
    November 14, 2008 – 22-year-old Lateisha Green, a trans woman, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY because he thought she was gay.[107] Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses “Teish” Cannon.[108] DeLee was convicted of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime on July 17, 2009, and received the maximum sentence of 25 years in state prison. This was only the second time in the nation’s history that a person was prosecuted for a hate crime against a transgender person and the first hate crime conviction in New York state.[109][110][111]
    December 12, 2008 – A 28-year-old lesbian in Richmond, California was kidnapped and gang raped by four men who made homophobic remarks during the attack.[112]
    December 26, 2008 – Taysia Elzy, a 34-year-old trans woman, and her partner, 22-year-old Michael Hunt, were shot to death and left for dead in their apartment by 20-year-old Chris Conwell.[113]
    December 27, 2008 – 24-year-old Nathan Runkle was brutally assaulted in Dayton, Ohio outside a gay nightclub.[114]
    January 17, 2009 – Caprice Curry, a 31-year-old trans woman in San Francisco, California, was stabbed to death.[115]
    February 15, 2009 – Efosa Agbontaen and Branden McGillvery-Dummett were attacked in New York City by four young men with glass bottles and box cutters who used anti-gay slurs during the attack. Agbontaen and McGillvery-Dummett both required emergency room treatment for their injuries.[116]
    February 18, 2009 – Two men were arrested in Stroudsburg, PA for the stabbing death of gay veteran Michael Goucher.[117]
    March 1, 2009 – Three men entered a bar in Galveston, Texas and attacked patrons with rocks. One of the victims, Marc Bosaw, was sent to the emergency room to have twelve staples in his head.
    March 14, 2009 – A gay couple leaving a Britney Spears concert in Newark, New Jersey were attacked by 15 teens. Josh Kehoe and Bobby Daniel Caldwell were called “faggots” and beaten. Caldwell suffered a broken jaw.[118]
    March 23, 2009 – Two gay men were attacked in Seaside, Oregon and left lying unconscious on a local beach. The men regained consciousness and were treated at a nearby hospital.[119]
    April 6, 2009 – Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, an 11-year-old child in Springfield, Massachusetts, hanged himself with an extension cord after being bullied all school year by peers who said “he acted feminine” and was gay.[120]
    Justin Goodwin, 36, of Salem, Massachusetts was attacked and beaten on April 10, 2009, by as many as six people outside a bar in Gloucester, Massachusetts. Goodwin suffered a shattered jaw, broken eye socket, broken nose and broken cheekbone. Goodwin later committed suicide.[121] Brothers Jonathan and William Chadwick, both of Gloucester, Mass., and John Curley-Brotman of Boston, Mass. pleaded guilty to charges of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. The assault was not considered a hate crime by authorities despite pressure from the Goodwin family to declare it so. On June 23, 2010 the Chadwick brothers were each sentenced to four years in state prison, and Curley-Brotman was sentenced to two years in the county jail of Middleton, Mass.[122]
    June 18, 2009 – Patti Hammond Shaw, an African-American trans woman, turned herself into a police station in Washington, D.C. after receiving a letter saying there was a warrant for her arrest on charges of making a false police report. Despite producing documents supporting her right to be housed with other women, she was placed in a men’s facility. According to her suit, officers β€œgroped her breasts, buttocks and between her legs repeatedly and excessively”. She is now suing Washington D.C. Metropolitan Police Department and the U.S. Marshals service for the treatment she received.[123]
    June 30, 2009 – Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton. LGBT community leaders “citing military sources initially said that Provost’s death was a hate crime.”[124] Provost had been harassed because of his sexual orientation.[124] Military leaders have since explained that “whatever the investigation concludes, the military’s β€œDon’t ask, don’t tell” policy prevented Provost from seeking help.”[124] Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay (or bisexual according to some family and sources);[125][126][127][128][129] the killer committed suicide a week later after admitting the murder, the Navy have not concluded if this was a hate crime.[130]
    October 25, 2009 – Dee Green, a trans woman, was found by police unconscious, stabbed in the heart, and bleeding on a street in Baltimore, Maryland. She was taken to a hospital where she died half an hour later. Larry Douglas was charged with first-degree murder in April 2010.[131]
    November 2009 – Jason Mattison Jr., an openly gay 15-year-old boy, was violently murdered and raped at his aunt’s house by 35-year-old Dante Parrish, a family friend who had been in prison for murder previously.[132] Parrish was convicted for Mattison’s murder and in April 2012 was sentenced to life without parole (the conviction included a second life term for attempted sexual assault).[133]
    December 9, 2009 – Mariah Malina Qualls’ body was found in a San Francisco hotel.[134] She was a 23-year-old transgender woman who volunteered and was a member of the Asian & Pacific Islander Wellness Center’s TRANS:THRIVE community.
    January 18, 2010 – The half-naked corpse of Myra Chanel Ical, a 51-year-old trans woman, was found in a vacant lot in Houston, Texas.[135]
    March 30, 2010 – Amanda Gonzalez-Andujar, a 29-year-old Latina trans woman, was found dead in her Queens, New York, apartment. The autopsy found that her attacker, Rasheen Everett, had strangled her then doused her body with bleach.[136] In December 2013 Everett was sentenced to 29 years to life. At sentencing Everett’s lawyer, John Scarpa, disputed the sentence with the statement: “Shouldn’t that [sentence] be reserved for people who are guilty of killing certain classes of individuals?” The judge, Queens Supreme Court Justice Richard Buchter responded, “This court believes every human life in sacred… It’s not easy living as a transgender, and I commend the family for supporting her.”[137]
    April 3, 2010 – Toni Alston, a black 44-year-old transgender woman, was shot in the front door of her home in western Charlotte, North Carolina.[138]
    May 7, 2010 – Dana A. “Chanel” Larkin, a 26-year-old black trans woman who worked as a prostitute, was shot three times in the head by her client, Andrew Olacirequi, after she asked him if he was okay with them having sex despite her male genitalia. She was found dead on the pavement of a Milwaukee street.[139]
    June 21, 2010 – Sandy Woulard, a 28-year-old trans woman, was shot in the chest in South Side, Chicago. A passing motorist found her lying in the street, and she was pronounced dead at the hospital.[140]
    October 3, 2010 – A 30-year-old male known as “la Reina” (the Queen), Bryan Almonte, 17, and Brian Cepeda, 17, were kidnapped in the Bronx by a homophobic group of youths calling themselves the Latin King Goonies, sodomized by foreign objects including a plunger and baseball bat, burned with cigarettes, and tortured for hours. One of the teenage victims had wanted to join the gang the attackers were part of, but when members saw him with the 30-year-old, they later picked him up and took him to an abandoned apartment and asked him if the two had had sex. When the teenager responded positively, he was beaten and sodomized. The gang later picked up the second teenager whom they had also seen with the 30-year-old and repeated the process. They then lured the 30-year-old to the building with the promise of a party. When he arrived with alcohol, the gang tied him up and tortured him and made the 17-year-old burn him with cigarettes. They then robbed the man’s 40-year-old brother, coercing him by putting a cellphone to his ear so he could hear his brother beg to pay them.[141][142][143]
    September 11, 2010 – Victoria Carmen White, a 28-year-old black transgender woman, died of bullet wounds in her New Jersey apartment. It is unknown whether she was targeted by her killer, Alrashim Chambers, for her gender identity.[144]
    October 14, 2010 – Stacey Blahnik Lee, a 31-year-old black trans woman, was found murdered in her Philadelphia home by her boyfriend.[145]
    November 17, 2010 – 18-year-old Joshua Wilkerson was found dead in a field in Pearland, Texas, after being beaten to death and set on fire by a friend of 5 years, Hermilio Moralez. This was supposedly a retaliation to unwanted sexual advances.[146]

  • -M-

    The bigots lie and make a false comparison.

    Obviously there has been discrimination in services offered by the government (such as legal marriage) and businesses (like being allowed to shop and work) in the U.S. against LGBT people and racial minorities.

    And while being gay (or female or Hispanic or Jewish etc) isn’t the same as being Black, being treated as a faggot has a lot in common with being treated as a n****r. Which itself is still beside the point that, morally and legally, everyone is entitled to be treated as a person with equal rights and protections under the law.

    • clay

      Denial of Dept. of Ag. farm loans to all three of Blacks, Hispanics, and Lesbians.

    • TJay229

      Ok. I can agree with what you wrote. Just as long as you know they aren’t the same.

  • Dean

    January 11, 2011 – Chrissie Bates, a 45-year-old transgender woman, was stabbed to death in her downtown Minneapolis apartment. Arnold Darwin Waukazo was sentenced to 367 months in prison for the murder.[147]
    February 19, 2011 – Tyra Trent, a black 25-year-old trans woman, was found strangled to death in a vacant house.[148]
    April 2011 – Kevin Pennington, a gay 28-year-old male, was kidnapped and severely beaten in a Kentucky park by two men shouting anti gay epithets. David Jason Jenkins and Anthony Ray Jenkins face possible life sentences for anti gay hate crime.[149] On March 15, 2012, the Kentucky State Police assisted the FBI in arresting David Jenkins, Anthony Jenkins, Mable Jenkins, and Alexis Jenkins of Partridge, KY for the beating of Kevin Pennington during a late-night attack in April 2011 at Kingdom Come State Park,[150][151] near Cumberland. The push came from the gay-rights group Kentucky Equality Federation, whose president, Jordan Palmer, began lobbying the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky in August 2011[152] to prosecute after stating he had no confidence in the Harlan County Commonwealth’s Attorney to act.[153] “I think the case’s notoriety may have derived in large part from the Kentucky Equality Federation efforts,” said Harvey, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky.[154] Mable Jenkins, and Alexis Jenkins plead guilty.[154]
    April 22, 2011 – Chrissy Lee Polis,[155] a 22-year-old trans woman, was beaten in a violent struggle by two African-American women for entering the women’s bathroom in Baltimore County, Maryland, which triggered her to have a seizure. A McDonald’s employee, who was later fired, filmed the encounter and released the film on the internet; it since went viral. Teonna Monae Brown, 19, pleaded guilty to first-degree assault and a hate crime in the beating, and was sentenced to 5 years in prison, plus three years of supervised probation. The other woman was charged as a juvenile and committed to a juvenile detention facility.[156]
    June 2011 – Rosita Hernandez, a Cuban trans woman, was stabbed to death in Miami.[157] In November 2011, Miguel Pavon was charged with first degree murder after his DNA was matched with samples found in the victim’s residence.[158]
    June 5, 2011 – CeCe McDonald, a young African American trans woman, was attacked outside a tavern shortly after midnight in Minneapolis, Minnesota.[159] CeCe fatally stabbed her attacker with a pair of scissors.[160] She was subsequently convicted of manslaughter and jailed for 19 months in a men’s prison.[161]
    July 20, 2011 – Lashai Mclean, a 23-year-old African American trans woman, was shot to death in Northeast, Washington, D.C.[162]
    August 11, 2011 – Camila Guzman, a Latina transgender woman, was found murdered in her apartment in East Harlem, Manhattan.[163]
    September 8, 2011 – Cameron Nelson, a 32-year-old gay man, was attacked at his place of employment in Utah.[164]
    October 11, 2011 – Shelley Hilliard, a black transgender teen who had been reported missing, had her burnt torso identified by police in Detroit.[165] Her killer, 30-year-old Qasim Raqib, was sentenced on March 6, 2012 to 25–40 years in jail.[166]
    November 15, 2011 – Danny Vega, a 58-year-old Asian-American gay man who worked as a hairdresser in Rainier Valley, Seattle, was beaten and robbed as he was taking a walk. The beating left Vega in a coma from which he later died.[167]
    November 17, 2011 – Cassidy Nathan Vickers, a 32-year-old black transgender woman, died from a fatal gunshot wound to the chest in Hollywood. Her killer, who is still unidentified, is suspected of also attempting to rob and non-fatally shoot another black transgender woman on the same day.[168]
    December 17, 2011 – Charlie Hernandez, a 26-year-old who was openly gay, was stabbed to death following a brawl that included anti-gay slurs that occurred with two men after he accidentally stepped on some sunglasses.[169]
    December 24, 2011 – Dee Dee Pearson, a 31-year-old transgender woman, died from bullet wounds in Kansas City, Missouri. Kenyan L. Jones was charged with second-degree murder and armed criminal action. Jones told police he paid to have sexual relations with Pearson, believing her to be a cisgender woman, but hours after having sex with her, discovered she was not.[170] Angered by what he considered to be a deception, he got a 9 mm caliber handgun, found Ms Pearson, and killed her.[171] Jones was arrested on suspicion of her murder.[172]
    December 29, 2011 – The body of Githe Goines, a black 23-year-old trans woman[173] who had been reported missing 2 weeks beforehand, was found in a scrapheap in New Orleans. An autopsy set that the time of her death as much as 2 days before her body was discovered, and that she had been strangled.[174]
    January 21, 2012 – Crain Conaway, a black 47-year-old trans woman, was found dead in her home in Oceanside, California.[175] Tyree Paschall Monday was arrested in connection with her murder.[176]
    February 2, 2012 – JaParker “Deoni” Jones, a 23-year-old black trans woman, was stabbed in the head while waiting at a Metrobus stop in Washington, D.C..[177]
    February 2012 – Cody Rogers, an 18-year-old teenager, was brutally assaulted and targeted with homophobic slurs at a party in Oklahoma after defending a female friend who was also attacked.[178]
    March 24, 2012 – Several transgender and crossdressing people were shot at and robbed in Florida by a man, suspected to be De Los Santos. 23-year-old Tyrell Jackson was fatally wounded in the shooting, which also injured 20-year-old Michael Hunter.[179]
    April 3, 2012 – Coko Williams, a black trans woman, was found murdered in East Detroit, Michigan. The homicide may have been related to Coko’s involvement in sex work.[180]
    April 16, 2012 – Paige Clay, 23, a black trans woman, was found dead, with a bullet wound to her face in West Garfield Park, Chicago. The death was ruled as a homicide.[181]
    April 21, 2012 – Eric Unger, a 23-year-old gay man living in Illinois, was attacked by a group of men on the way home from a party, while they shouted anti-gay epithets at him. The investigation is ongoing.[182]
    May 2012 – Max Pelofske, a 21-year-old gay man, was beaten by a group of youths at a party in Minnesota. Pelofske claims it was a hate crime, but police disagree.[183]
    June 5, 2012 – Kardin Ulysse, a black 14-year-old boy, was attacked in the cafeteria of Roy Mann Junior High School in Brooklyn, New York, by another group of boys. He was called anti-gay slurs and sustained damage to the cornea of one of his eyes, leaving him blinded. Ulysse’s parents planned on suing New York City for failing to supervise its students properly.[184]
    June 23, 2012 – Mollie Olgin, 19 years old, and her girlfriend, Kristene Chapa, 18 years old, were found shot in the head near Violet Andrews Park in Portland, Texas. Olgin died at the scene and Chapa survived. Law enforcement has said there is no evidence to suggest that the incident is a hate crime.[185] The Human Rights Campaign and Equality Texas urged a thorough investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI and Portland police to find the shooter.[186]
    July 5, 2012 – Tracy Johnson, a 40-year-old black trans woman, was found dead from gunshot wounds in Baltimore, Maryland.[187]
    August 14, 2012 – Tiffany Gooden, a 19-year-old black trans woman, was found murdered on the second floor of an abandoned building in Chicago. An autopsy verified that she had been stabbed to death. Notably, the body of Paige Clay, another young black trans woman, was discovered in April 3 blocks away from where Tiffany was found. The pair were known as friends.[188]
    August 18, 2012 – Kendall Hampton, a 26-year-old black trans woman, died of gunshot wounds. Eugene Carlos Dukes was arrested in early September for her murder, and indicted later that month.[189]
    August 26, 2012 – Deja Jones, a 33-year-old black trans woman, was shot to death in Miami. No arrest had been made.[190]
    September 3, 2012 – The body of Kyra Cordova, a 27-year-old trans woman, was found in a wooded area in Frankford, Philadelphia.[191]
    October 15, 2012 – Janette Tovar, a 43-year-old trans woman was murdered by her partner, Jonathan Kenney, according to police, who beat her and slammed her head into concrete. He was later arrested for her murder.[192]
    March 1, 2013 – Sondra Scarber addressed a parent about her girlfriend’s son being bullied at Seabourn Elementary School in Mesquite, Texas, and was beaten by him when he realized that she was a lesbian.[193]
    May 17, 2013 – Mark Carson, a 32-year old black gay man,[194] was shot to death by another man who trailed and taunted him and a friend as they walked down the street in Greenwich Village, Manhattan. When the two friends ignored the assailant’s questions, the man began yelling anti-gay slurs and asked one of them, “You want to die tonight?” Elliot Morales, 33, was arrested briefly after the shooting and charged with murder and weapons charges on May 19.[195] According to police, Morales said he shot Carson because he was “acting tough”.[196] Morales pleaded not guilty, but on March 9, 2016 he was convicted by a Manhattan jury of murder as a hate crime.[197] Morales was sentenced on June 14, 2016 to 40 years to life in prison.
    May 22, 2013 – Gabriel Fernandez, an 8 year old boy, was tortured and murdered by his mother and her boyfriend because they believed the child to be gay. Prosecutor Jon Hatami detailed the acts allegedly committed by Aguirre and the boy’s mother, Pearl Fernandez, who also faces trial. Hatami explained that the Palmdale couple beat Gabriel, bit him, burned him with cigarettes, whipped him, shot him with a B.B. gun, starved him, fed him cat litter, and kept him gagged and bound in this cubby hold closet until he was found on May 22, 2013, dead of blunt force trauma to the head. The couple called first responders to treat Gabriel, but that was only in an attempt to mislead, the prosecutor said.[198]
    November 4, 2013 – Sasha Fleischman, an 18-year-old, had her skirt set on fire while they were sleeping on an AC Transit bus in Oakland, California. Police arrested 16-year-old Richard Thomas and charged him with felony assault, with an enhancement of inflicting great bodily injury. Thomas admitted to police that he had started the fire and that he did it because he was “homophobic.”[199] On November 14, 2014, Thomas was sentenced to seven years in juvenile detention for his crime.[200]
    December 31, 2013 – A fire was started in the stairway of a gay nightclub in Seattle, which was quickly extinguished. After suspect Musab Mohammaed Masmari had told a friend that “homosexuals should be exterminated”, an informer from the Muslim community told the FBI Masamari may have also been planning terrorist attacks. The native of Benghazi, Libya was arrested on his way to Turkey. On July 13, 2014, Masmari was sentenced to 10 years on federal arson charges.[201]
    June 1, 2014 – Ahmed Said, 27, and Dwone Anderson-Young, 23, were killed execution-style shortly after midnight in the Leschi neighborhood of Seattle shortly after they left a gay nightclub. Both victims were gay, and Ahmed was apparently lured by being contacting on Grindr, a social app popular with gay men. Anderson-Young was receiving a ride home from Ahmed Said. The case was soon investigated as a possible hate crime. Both Said and Anderson-Young were shot multiple times; Anderson-Young died inside Said’s car, while Said died immediately outside.[202] Suspect Ali Muhammad Brown has confessed to killing Said, Anderson-Young, and two men in Seattle and New Jersey, both of whom weren’t gay. Brown had previously been convicted of bank fraud and is believed to be in support of Muslim terrorists in Somalia. He told investigators that he was guided strictly by his faith, and that the killings were “just” because they were in retaliation for actions by the U.S. government in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan.[203]
    February 1, 2015 – Taja DeJesus, 36, a trans woman, was found stabbed to death in the Bayview neighborhood of San Francisco, California.[204]
    April 13, 2015 – Ron Lane was shot dead by a former student of Wayne Community College, identified as Kenneth M. Stancil III, who he had supervised at the campus print shop. His mother made unconfirmed allegations that Lane, who was gay, made unwanted sexual advances towards Stancil. The shooting was investigated as a hate crime.[205]
    2015 – In 2016, for the first time the Justice Department used the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to bring criminal charges against a person for selecting a victim because of their gender identity.[206][207] In that case Joshua Brandon Vallum pled guilty to murdering Mercedes Williamson in 2015 because she was transgender, in violation of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.[206][207]
    June 12, 2016 – The attack on an Orlando nightclub left 49 dead and 53 wounded at the gay nightclub Pulse. The gunman, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, was an American citizen of Afghan descent who pledged allegiance to terrorist organization ISIS in a 911 call he made about the attack.[208] ISIS also claimed responsibility for the attack.[209] The incident was the second deadliest mass shooting in United States history.
    September 7, 2016 – Michael Phillips was attacked after leaving his job at a gay bar. He and his husband say they have been targeted for their orientation multiple times.[210]
    September, 2017 – Ally Steinfeld, a transgender teenager, was stabbed and mutilated by three young people in southern Missouri.

  • TampaDink

    As usual, Tony (Duggar, Duggar, Duggar) Perkins fails to understand what the 1st amendment is about.

  • Ninja0980

    All minority groups have suffered in different ways.
    If these bigots would like to talk to my Native American brother in law or my Jewish cousin about the horrors they’ve suffered, feel free.
    Just remember that they both support marriage equality and wouldn’t think of using the horrors their community has gone through to oppress another.

  • Gerry Fisher

    We need to put out a lunch-counter/defiant-cake-baker ad: “Refusal of service.” And one that cites the biblical arguments used against “mixing of the races”: “Keep religion in churches and homes; keep it out of lunch counters and bakeries.”

  • kaydenpat

    Disgusting but I suppose it’s not hard to find some stupid Black people who put their homophobia above common sense. They must not be noticing all the anti-Black nonsense Trump is pushing through. Perkins and his ilk are no friend to racial minorities so shame on these pastors.

  • Charles Nelson

    If LGBTQ people were rainbow colored…you can bet there would have been three drinking fountains!

    • Boy Elvis

      If we were rainbow colored we wouldn’t have been allowed to drink out of public fountains at all.

    • Halou

      If there was a “gay gene” you can bet the church’s opinion on abortion would change real quick.

  • Boy Elvis

    “WeGotYourBackJack”? Wow. I can just picture Tony PerKKKins and his inner circle planning this campaign:

    Tony: “We need one of those, um, those webs. You know. That the kids ‘surf’ on with their computers. And it needs to sound kind of of jive-y so the blacks will know we’re speaking in their ‘hip’ lingo.”

  • GanymedeRenard

    Riiiiight… Because a Nazi like you is suddenly interested in the African American experience.


  • Halou

    If you find baking a cake so morally questionable, why do you have a job where you run the risk of having to bake cakes on a daily basis?

    It is as absurd as if a pacifist applied for an army post then went to court demanding the job carve out exceptions just for their benefit, it doesn’t matter how religious the person is the job is what it is and will not fundamentally change based on a whinge. The same goes for Amish folks at NASA, or vegans working at a slaughterhouse. Most people are not so full of shit as Evangelicals are and most people who can’t bring themselves to do a job don’t do that job.

  • Highmoremotel


    Tell me when LGBT had their own empire for thousands of years. When, in all of recorded history, were LGBT not persecuted.

    It IS the same. People of color are persecuted for daring to be black (which they are born to be). LGBT are persecuted for daring to be born different than cis or hetero or binary (which we are born to be).

    Stop trying to monopolize persecution. This is an old and out of touch idea. And a dangerous path to follow. They need us and we need them.



  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    This is simply made up reasoning to help drive a wedge between the black and LGBT communities. If we band together, we are stronger. The opposition can’t allow coalitions of decent human beings, so we all have to be turned against each other. Poor whites against immigrants, Christians against Muslims, Blacks against LGBT, etc.

    And yes of course people can belong to multiple communities, but this is basic divide and conquer strategy.

  • coram nobis

    The struggles weren’t identical, but there was overlap. James Baldwin, Bayard Rustin, Marlon Riggs among others.

    And then there was Mildred Loving, who is worth quoting in full.

    My generation was bitterly divided over something that should have been so clear and right. The majority believed that what the judge said, that it was God’s plan to keep people apart, and that government should discriminate against people in love. But I have lived long enough now to see big changes. The older generation’s fears and prejudices have given way, and today’s young people realize that if someone loves someone they have a right to marry.

    Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don’t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the “wrong kind of person” for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people’s civil rights.

    I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.


  • Mark

    And today’s “Brilliant Moments in Irony” award goes to the Radiance Foundation. They’re one of the sponsors of this hateful initiative and the cover photo on their Facebook page is a photo that says “We are all on human family.” Assholes.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • RLK2

    I hope there is some LGBT response to this outlining the injustice and violence that has occurred against the LGBT community historically? Writing it on JoeMyGod.com is not going to counter there BS.

    • Lars Littlefield

      GIGI has done a good job of distilling it for SCOTUS. It just needs to be filed with the court.

  • Lars Littlefield

    “Countless Christian wedding vendors who have been persecuted”? Seems like tony named five of them right off the bat. He’s so silly.

    • Gigi

      I can count them all on one hand. #smh

  • Gigi

    NOTE TO TALIBAGELISTS: Your chosen religious beliefs don’t supercede our right to exist. The suggestion that we haven’t been the victims of persecution and discrimination is absurd. We might not have brought to this country against our will, but we’ve been treated like social pariah for daring to live our truth. Not so very long ago is was illegal to be gay. Our love was criminal. More recently laws like DOMA and DADT made us second class citizens in our own country and sent a message to young gay kids that they don’t matter. It’s still legal in many states to fire and deny housing to people who are gay. We’re compared to thieves and murderers and pedophiles. We’re harassed, tormented, even murdered for being who we are. How dare you envoke the words of a freedom fighter like Matin Luther King Jr. to prop up your hate and bigotry. He stood against everything that you espouse. You’re despicable.

    • JAKvirginia

      I got my civil rights. Screw yours.

  • JCF

    There’s a reason it’s called the “Matthew Shepherd-James Byrd Hate Crimes Act”: we’re murdered by SAME HATE (and often the same haters).

  • Dave Babler

    These people are completely odious.
    Make no mistake, the election of Trump and the red tide across statehouses emboldened these assholes.

  • SinfulJosh

    gays wouldnt get beaten or arrested for drinking from the wrong fountain. they’d just get beaten or arrested, no fountain needed.

  • MonicaR62

    Two words: Bayard Rustin

  • DN

    “I resent having my race compared to what other people do in bed.”

    and I resent my relationship with my husband being reduced to what we do in bed.

  • Jim Maloney

    The effect of the multiple types of LGBT stigmatization is the same so there’s that, but that was conveniently left out because it doesn’t fit their dishonest, simplistic narrative.

  • Will Parkinson

    Don’t these people realize christianity is a choice? They can get over it with enough help. Oh, and an open mind.

  • Regan DuCasse

    As a black woman, who has spent most of my life supporting the LGBT in outright activism as well as loving, shared friendships and lives together, I am PROFOUNDLY embarrassed by this.
    I even wrote a literary work, in which Emmett Till and Matt Shepard’s killings, were expressed together as examples of people making themselves nuts over SEXUALITY.
    Whether of black or gay males, that made the most casual of contact, resulting in a lynching for both Till and Shepard.
    Black males were accuse of ‘making a pass’ as gay males have been. The objects of this interest being different.
    But either representative that interest is violation.
    Mamie Till and Judy Shepard cried the same tears over their murdered sons.
    No difference there.
    Mores the point, the stellar soldiers of the movement, such as Julian Bond, Andrew Young, Rep. John Lewis, Mrs, Coretta King..Mrs. Mildred Loving…have ALL expressed their empathy and support of gay equality as equivalent to the need for justice for gay people as also for black individuals.
    And who are ANY those who say otherwise, to contradict THEM?!

  • Sean
  • Sean
  • Sean
  • Sean
  • Sean
  • Sean
  • John Simpson

    Remember this, there will come a time once again, when you will need the LGBT community to fight the same Right-Wing fascists in this country, and maybe we’ll be off doing something else that day.

  • ‘Til Tuesday

    Since they invoked Dr. King, we should counter with this: Coretta Scott King was a supporter of gay rights and she often said that “discrimination of any type is wrong”. She supported marriage equality too. And she said that if Martin were still alive that he too would support non-discrimination.

    Yes, many have suffered more than others throughout history. Jewish people were subject to unspeakable horror and mass extermination, and most of them support equality and non-discrimination. They also stood for civil rights for black Americans and marched with them.

    The black pastor’s message needs to be countered. Not just because they are wrong but because they don’t speak for all of black America. There are many black ministers and other leaders in the black community that support non-discrimination. They also don’t speak for people of color that are LGBT.

  • Sean

    You ever notice that Muslim or Jewish American bakers never say “I don’t serve your kind here”? Eating pork is a violation of Islam (& some Jewish adhere to this as well) but the Muslims that work at my local Dunkin Donuts never complain about having to make me a grilled ham & cheese sandwich. Why is that? I ask them & they said “because it is also against my religion to expect you to adhere to it.” Christianity has the same stipulation but it is one of those “rules from God” these anti-LGBTQ ChrISIStians don’t think they have to adhere to while expecting everybody else to adhere to it. You know like how Kim Davis & Dotard Trump are allowed to be serial adulterers with bastard children & have been married & divorced more than once while saying they are the paragons of “family values” even though their Bible says they are clearly going to BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!!

  • Terry

    As a black gay man I am pissed with the idiot black preachers coming out on this, not realizing that the same groups are pushing voter suppression laws and the AFA and KKKristian family groups are complicit in it.

    They love you because you’re Christian hate you because you’re black

    Also, Tony Perkins has spoken to the KKK at “rallies”

    They’re being played for fools https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4b9b2738cdf51cf00dd327ef98bb7e0e1b5fa7510633490d7671aa55986fa3a2.png

  • EyeJelly

    Uniformed military police used to stand outside of gay bars in DC and ask to see IDs. Not realizing these were military police, as opposed to regular police, almost everyone complied. If anyone presented a military ID they were carted off to jail. One friend, who was 19 at the time, was beaten senseless for 4 days as the military tried to get him to give up the names of other gay soldiers. Eventually he was dishonorably discharged, which meant no benefits, and told that if he fought his discharge they would charge him with sodomy which meant by VA law he would be registered as a sex offender. This wasn’t the 1950’s either. It was the early 90’s.

  • customartist

    In fact, there were indeed religious justifications used to prevent the “mixing of the races” back in the day, including the right to eat at Woolworth’s lunch counter.

    History is fundamental.

  • Big harv

    Lgbt Community is filled with racism

    • customartist

      Existing yes, but not “filled”.
      LGBT people understand oppression first hand, and therefore do not wish it upon others.
      Please don’t exaggerate.

      • Big harv

        You guys are filled with racism and hate

        • Not me, nor anyone known to me. I don’t say that it doesn’t happen. Of course it will happen. But since you’re on the subject of discrimination, tell me how well African, Asian, Arabic and Slavic countries treat LGBT minorities. I’ll give you a clue: there are 76 countries with laws against gay people forming a relationship with same sex. In 10 of those, the death penalty applies, and in most of the others, it can be imprisonment for life, with one of the worst being Africa, where you can legally burn a gay man to death in the street by throwing a tyre round his neck and dousing him with petrol, and no-one will try to stop you. The African crowds film the lynching and upload to social media, while the police watch them do it. You can find these in a quick Google. And while you’re about it, look up the 76 Crimes website and see for yourself.

  • ​As bad as it was for black people under apartheid, it was only for a few centuries in certain countries, such as legal slavery in the US or Rhodesian apartheid under Ian Smith, and it was as nothing compared to what has been endured by LGBT over millennia in EVERY country on this planet and continue to this day. Indeed, a great deal of anti-gay prejudice comes from blacks themselves, who should know better.

    Blacks now have equal rights in every country on earth whereas LGBT are illegal in 80 countries and are put to death at law by their government in 10 of those. For example in Iran alone, over 4,000 homosexuals have been executed for being in a same sex relationship since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. In Saudi Arabia, likewise. Nowhere in the Islamic or African world is safe for LGBT, not even South Africa where we have equal rights including same sex marriage, and now we are illegal in Russia too.

    How many black kids do you suppose have been kicked out of home at ages 11 upwards when they’re parents “discovered” they’re black? In the USA, out of 2.6 million homeless youth, over 40% are LGBT kids, who suicide from age 11 upwards at up to 6x or more the national norm for youth suicide. I am certain no-one was ever disowned by their family, or thrown out of their home because they were black. Being hated by a bigoted stranger is one thing, but to be hated by your own family or for your friends to suddenly stop being your friends because they discover you’re black? Moreover, I’ve never heard of a black person being treated with electroshock therapy to “cure” their blackness or being told by their church they can “pray away the black”.

    The two types of prejudice aren’t identical but they are closely related, because they both involve people mistreating someone else, not because that person did anything bad to them, but because of the way they were born, and that they cannot change, and which isn’t intrinsically harmful, like being gay, or being Jewish, or being black. In one sense it can be safer for gays who can pretend to be straight and live a life in self denial and public mendacity, like a left handed person pretending to be right handed, or a ginger haired person who can die his hair another colour. But it’s no less outrageous and every bit as destructive of human dignity as racism is. It’s someone telling you that you aren’t good enough because of something you cannot change, but which also has no bearing whatsoever on how good a citizen you can be, how loyal a friend, or how conscientious and trustworthy an employee. The best that disliked minorities can do therefore, is defend each other’s rights, not beat up on each other, or say “my discrimination is way better than your discrimination, so you lose.”

    “it’s harder being gay than it is being black” – Wanda Sykes

    • customartist

      Well said Derek. Thank you!

  • Jennie S

    The only reason there may have been LGBT individuals who were not persecuted during the course of their lives (throughout the thousands of years that LGBT individuals have been persecuted) is because some of them were able to keep it a secret. It is much easier to hide sexuality than the color of one’s skin. BUT the minute someone was found out to be homosexual they were most likely abused just as cruelly as slaves were – if not possibly worse. Slaves had financial value to their owners so the owners wouldn’t want to kill their slaves. The same reasoning wouldn’t exist for a homosexual who was found out. But it is abhorrent that people who are part of a community who were persecuted would turn their backs on other human beings who are also being oppressed and mistreated. Is that the Christian thing to do? I think not. Is that the ethical thing to do. Most definitely not. Shame on them.

  • Butch1

    I hate to tell the “good Reverend” but our gay struggle has been going on for more centuries than his civil-rights struggle has.

    I don’t recall any blacks being detained among the gypsies, physically defective, mentally defective, political dissidents, Jews and the homosexuals? Where were his people when we were the last to be freed from the concentration camps in WWII when even the Jews turned there backs on us telling those who freed them and the rest not to let us out because we belonged in the camps for whom we were?

    For a minority who has experienced hatred, bigotry even today and to turn around only to practice the same on us because you think you’re out of the line of fire from these same bigots would be laughable if it wasn’t such a sad statement about your own state of mind. You’ve turned into what you’ve hated the most about white people and you still think of yourselves as “good christians.”

    You’re correct, your experience of prejudice and discrimination has been nothing like ours. We are still being hanged in Iraq and Iran and by ISIS for being gay, You aren’t anymore and you can thank your lucky stars for that. We are still fighting for our rights; you have yours and you are trying to deny them to us. That’s discrimination and you’re a part of it. There are still places in this country we’re being killed for whom we are. Our discrimination is very real whether you wish to believe it or not.

    At least no one ever tried to “cure” you of your blackness. We’ve been tortured for being gay, castrated, both chemically and surgically as well as a frontal lobotomy to try and “cure” us of something now considered as natural as being strait whether you want to believe it or not. We have the scientific community and the law on our side. So, don’t go throwing around that your “struggle” has gone on longer or is more important. ALL struggles for equality ARE important whether you understand it or not. Perhaps some day your eyes will open and you will.