Roy Moore: Same-Sex Marriage Is Worse Than Slavery

Talking Points Memo reports:

Alabama GOP Senate nominee Roy Moore said late last year that the Supreme Court’s decision legalizing gay marriage was “even worse” than the notorious 1857 Dred Scott ruling that upheld slavery. Moore, a hard-right former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice, has twice been removed from office for refusing to follow the rule of law — the second time for ordering probate judges in his state to disobey the U.S. Supreme Court’s Obergefell ruling legalizing gay marriage. Last November he said that decision was even worse than one that scholars widely consider the worst Supreme Court decision in U.S. history.

“In 1857 the United States Supreme Court did rule that black people were property. Of course that contradicted the Constitution, and it took a civil war to overturn it. But this ruling in Obergefell is even worse in a sense because it forces not only people to recognize marriage other than the institution ordained of God and recognized by nearly every state in the union, it says that you now must do away with the definition of marriage and make it between two persons of the same gender or leading on, as one of the dissenting justices said, to polygamy, to multi-partner marriages,” Moore said in a podcast interview last November, shortly after he was suspended without pay from the court.

There’s much more at the link. As regular readers know, Moore has welcomed the support of openly white supremacist groups such as the infamous League Of The South, which has distributed pro-Moore placards at his rallies.

  • Words cannot adequately express my contempt for this bigoted pile of worthless garbage.

    • Todd20036

      How about: If you were in a boat, and you saw Moore and Trump in an inflatable, leaky life raft, and you were the only one who could save them, and if you didn’t they’d die at sea, would you throw one anchor at them or two?

      • Christopher
      • ChrisInKansas

        I’d certainly throw both anchors at them, because otherwise my inflatable leaky life raft would surely sink! Trick question! Fake!

      • Mark Née Fuzz

        I’d use my second amendment rights to shotgun holes in the life raft so it sinks faster.

      • Boreal

        I’d make a sandwich and watch the clouds move across the sky.

        • Mark Née Fuzz

          Make two. I’ll bring a few beers to wash them down.

          • Boreal

            I like IPAs.

        • David Walker

          Today’s Holy Roller Eye Roller:
          A church in downtown Harrisburg announces on a too-large billboard that we’re all invited to their PB&Jesus lunchtime service. I shall decline, I think.

          • Boreal

            Hope jeebus’ peanut allergy doesn’t cause him too much trouble.

      • Uncle Mark

        First, I would name the anchors “TrumpCare” before throwing them. The irony would be delicious and pairs well with the sea salt

      • Gustav2

        Since my “boat” is the USS Constitution I would fire on them!

      • I think I might say something about bootstraps and point out that it’s not the job of the government or anyone else to do anything. I mean, that’s the standard GOP line, right?

    • ted-

      You expressed how I feel rather well, for what it’s worth…

  • kaydenpat

    Yeah sure, Roy. That makes a whole lot of sense. /s

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      The Limbaugh / Coulter / Milo / Jeffrey Lord / Trump school of headline grabbing via maximum outrage.

      You can’t rationally discuss someone’s qualifications or policy differences when the other side tweets QUEERS WANT TO INDOCTRINATE MARTIAN TODDLERS TO MURDER PUPPIES. AND TAKE THEIR GUNS.

      • kaydenpat

        True. That’s how nonsense like “Pizzagate” gets passed around on the Internet and believed by idiots who then shoot up actual
        pizza joints. Alternative reality and alternative facts.

      • The_Wretched

        shhh, don’t give away the plan!

      • Tawreos

        I know that is bullshit, there is no way we are murdering puppies.

  • Todd20036

    There are a few slaves who may question Moore’s comparison. Hell, even today, there are a few sexual slaves today, who may want to have a word or two with it.

    1) If you want to retain the original definition of marriage, then women are property, and polygamy is acceptable.
    2) Feeling butt hurt is not being discriminated against.
    3) I cannot believe this fuck-tard graduated from law school.

    • AJ Drew

      Moore loves to suggest the Bible and Christianity for political rhetoric, but does so very loosely and vaguely.

    • David Walker

      True. He’s too old to have taken home courses from “Liberty” “University.”

    • Snarkaholic

      Asshole to English translation:
      “Worse than slavery:
      1. Slavery = Financial gain for me, the fun of beating the crap out of defenseless people, the fun of feeling superior to others.
      2. Same Sex Marriage = No financial gain for me, not allowed to beat the crap out of others, can’t feel superior to those who are allowed the same rights = Worse than slavery (for me)!” ~Roy Moore(on), probably

      • JoeBeau

        You left out the harem of black women white men were free to own and rape. They loved that.

    • David

      It’s Alabama.

  • Tawreos

    Dear Roy,

    I kindly invite you to fuck yourself with all the vigor and fury your lame little pandering ass can muster.

    FUCK OFF!
    Tawreos

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    Well, for Roy, slavery was not bad at all (keeping them in their divinely ordained place, don’t ya know)…so I guess SSM is moving up his approval ladder.

    • kaydenpat

      True. He has zero problem cozying up to White Supremacists.

  • bkmn

    If you can afford to help out his challenger…

    https://dougjonesforsenate.com/

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I will donate because my state is pretty safe and we desperately need Dem Senators.

  • pj

    i guess a flame war between don and this jackass is inevitable. cant wait.

    • Todd20036

      They’re both pretty flaming.

  • AJ Drew

    I’m queerer than the rise of bitcoins, and I’d have married my “boyfriend” of 15 years if I could have, but it wasn’t an option. Before and after, I’ve never cheated on anyone I have ever dated, so I’m willing to bet I’ve been more monogamous than any of these “gays are evil” fookers.

    • Ninja0980

      Same here.
      Meanwhile, I can give Moore a list of holier then though people I’ve known over the years.
      A couple finally came out of the closet and the others.
      Let’s just say they skipped the part of the bible that talks about being faithful to one’s spouse.

      • David Walker

        As long as you don’t mention Miss Kim Davis, go right ahead. God has forgiven her; we should, too. (goes into coughing/laughing fit)

        • Danieruw

          Quick! Have another drink!

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Alabama has a chance to prove us wrong. Please do so and don’t blame us for “making” you vote for him because we have face palmed over the stuff you have done in the past and you resent it.

  • another_steve

    Let’s get him elected. He’s a godsend to progressives.

    Let’s make him the face of the Republican Party.

    • Sam_Handwich

      Dotard will not be usurped!

      • clay

        “Nobody puts Dotard in the surp!”

        • greenmanTN

          Nobody puts Skeletor in the corner!

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-PgTjhx1VLw

          • Todd20036

            Look at it this way, no bigot would dare get in their way when they started dancing.

          • yes b’y

            thanks for the laugh

    • Todd20036

      Not just that, but Trump hates him. Moore really is a religious fuck, and Trump is not. So Moore will push legislation that his personal God would like.

      • Jeffg166

        Which would just happen to benefit Roy bigly.

      • Lakeview Bob

        Fortunately, like Ted Cruz, Moore will not be given any power.

      • another_steve

        Trump can’t afford to alienate Moore’s base, which is much larger than the morons in Alabama who voted for him.

        Moore is the Religious Right’s wet dream.

        He’s their guy.

    • fastlanestranger

      LOL…amazing

    • Clive Johnson

      I think the GOP sees this threat too.

    • Ranger One

      I think they crave fame. They want idol status. It doesn’t matter what position they hold, they just want to be jerked -off too.

    • Phillip in L.A.
      • David Walker

        Thank you. Love her, love the song. Just fripping wonderful.

        • another_steve

          She owns the word “sultry.”

          • David Walker

            Doesn’t she? God, I love listening to her.

      • greenmanTN
  • Tatonka

    Slavery was baked into the Constitution. Religious bigotry was not.

  • Christopher
  • Boreal
  • Lizard

    Roy Moore is an evil bigot who would happily slaughter gay people if he could get away with it, news at 11.

    • Jeffg166

      He’d slaughter lots of people he doesn’t like. Gays first then who knows who’s next on his list.

      • clay

        I’m pretty sure I know who’s next on the list.

        • Jeffg166

          People of color probably but Jews hold a special place in the hearts of people like this.

  • Christopher

    This from a man who hasn’t had a good stiffy, I’d say consider the source.

  • Uncle Mark

    Frankly, I’m all for testing his theory. Let’s start by enslaving his wrinkly, hate-filled ass first….and if he survives, then we make him marry “Rev” Jim (Slop Buckets) Bakker

  • VodkaAndPolitics

    Surprising, I’d have assumed Roy Moore LOVED slavery.

    • Uncle Mark

      He does. That’s why almost everything other than slavery is repugnant to him

    • ChrisInKansas

      Oh, I don’t think you’re wrong.

  • Boreal
    • Gustav2

      The lovely woman said that last year and she is in real estate.

      How much do you want to bet she only sells in the suburbs/exurban areas?

    • Uncle Mark

      And YET those same assholes demanded that the Supreme Court repeal the Voting Rights Act because “Now that we have a Black President, there is no more racism.” These Republican assholes ALWAYS throw out contradictory statements like this. WHY ARE THEY SELDOM CALLED ON THIS BULLSHIT IN THE PRESS ?!!

      • The_Wretched

        Chief Justice Roberts is in the ‘no racism anymore’ crowd.

    • Tawreos

      Always good to see people from my area representing themselves well in a national spotlight. Sadly, she represents a good chunk of the people in Mahoning County

  • Macbill

    May his Lord and Savior call Roy Home.

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    He sure does like to dress up in butch outfits, doesn’t he?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I like when he pulls out his mini-pistol and waves it around all proud like.
      Like a little boy who just discovered his 3 inch weeny.

  • Lazycrockett

    In his mind a rainy day is worse than Slavery.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Worse than Slavery ? For Who ??

    Ya know his peeps weren’t too happy about not being able to Buy / Sell / Trade people any longer. Oh the magnitude of sadness they must have endured…….

    • Uncle Mark

      I am reminded of the 2013 CPAC convention (shortly after Priebus conducted his post-mortem of the Romney campaign, when he said that the party was going to have to change and become more inclusive…and then Cruz, Palin & Gohmert appeared and said, “We don’t need to change; we’re just fine the way we are.)

      One part of the convention had a number of white rednecks advocating the benefits of slavery versus the “enslavement of gov’t assistance offered by the Democrat.” “Master gave food and shelter and full-time/lifetime employment to his slaves.” I recall a Black Republican there in the background with this shocked look of horror on his face, as he realized that he was definitely in the wrong neighborhood.

      • The people who understood what was wrong with their party were powerless to do anything about it. The “establishment” has no real power any more except for a few who are “grandfathered” (pun intended) into their House and Senate seats. The Bushes, bless their hearts, actually thought they were accomplishing something significant by not attending the 2016 GOP Convention. Instead they just made themselves more irrelevant. The party base hates the “establishment Republicans” as much, if not more, than they hate Hilary Clinton (which is a LOT).

  • Lakeview Bob

    I don’t question this man’s sanity. There is no doubt. But I do question the sanity of anyone who would vote for this horrible person.

  • Kelly Lape

    Allowing people to get the same recognition for their love as every other tax payer is morally worse than defining human beings as property and mandating their return to their property owners throughout the union.

    When you meet people who vote GOP know that they are reprehensible. As if you’d need a reminder.

    • clay

      (Because legal recognition of same-sex marriages leads to the emancipation of women.)

  • alguien

    i’d hazard a guess and that moore probably doesn’t consider slavery that bad at all.

    • boatboy_srq

      Actually surprising that he’s on record saying Dred Scott was a bad decision.

      • djcoastermark

        That’s only because slaves were considered 3/5ths of a person, which moore finds way too high.

        • canoebum

          He probably thinks Dred was a bad decision because the case should never have been heard.

      • clay

        He’s not on record saying Dred Scott was a bad decision.
        He’s only on record saying that “scholars widely consider [it] the worst Supreme Court decision in U.S. history.”

    • Tawreos

      It’s what he means when he talks about the good old days

    • JAKvirginia

      And yet… he would never, ever want to be a slave himself. Interesting contradiction, no?

    • JCF

      …for blah people.

  • gaycuckhubby

    This manages to be equally racist and homophobic. Well done Moore, you’ll fit right in to the current U.S. Senate

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Excuse me, Mr Twice-Impeached Ex-Chief-Justice of Alabama, but the US Supreme Court’s decision in Dred Scott v. Sanford (1857) DID NOT “contradict the Constitution.”

    (a) That is impossible, because what the Supreme Court says about the Constitution IS constitutional law; in Dred Scott, the majority voted that as a chattel, Mr Scott had no right to sue in a United States court.

    (b) That is why the US fought a Civil War (which you all lost, btw), and why the Constitution had to be AMENDED, after that conflict ended.

    • jmax

      Putting the 10 Commandments on state property doesn’t violate the law.
      The law requires NFL players to stand during the National Anthem.

      For a lawyer and former judge, he sure doesn’t know much about law.

  • Boy Elvis

    To you it is, Moore, and that’s why you suck.

  • Statistics Palin

    I couldn’t be bothered to piss down Roy Moore’s throat if his heart were on fire.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      “I wouldn’t suck your lousy dick if I was suffocating, and there was oxygen in your balls.”

      –Taffy (Cookie Mueller), in John Waters’ Female Trouble

      https://youtu.be/hNZNLvRGTy0

      • MBear

        Whattya writin a book hippie? Why don’t you go listen to some folk music and give me a break!

    • trouble94114

      I have a slightly different version that starts with “…piss up his…” ends with “…if his guts were on fire”

  • The_Wretched

    Marriage in the US has always been a secular matter. Religious marriages were always subordinate to the civil marriage. That understanding was further codified by statute as common law marriage fell by the wayside.

    That Roy Moore’s mind thinks 2 (omg even 3!) people who love each other or who want to set up a household together is worse than owning another person (and depriving them of all civil rights) is a big tip off that he’s not fit for office and that his religion is cancer on our society.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      “States that do recognize common law marriage include the following:
      Alabama, Colorado, District of Columbia, Georgia (if created prior to
      1997), Idaho (if created before 1996), Iowa, Kansas, Montana, New
      Hampshire (for inheritance purposes only), Ohio (if created prior to
      10/1991), Oklahoma, Pennsylvania (if created before 9/2003), Rhode
      Island, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.”

      https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/fact-or-fiction-five-myths-about-common-law-marriage (I can’t believe I am citing Robert-fucking-Shapiro’s fucking website)

      • The_Wretched

        I’m aware. It’s still disfavored and on the way out and still a matter for State (not church) law.

      • JRDC

        How dare you cite legalzoom. Lol

        • Phillip in L.A.

          I know–I feel dirty! But that information coincides roughly with what I recall to be correct, so….

    • AJ Drew

      Equating marriage with slavery is truly evil, especially by supposed Christian standards. Committing oneself to each other, in front of witnesses to your vows, whether it be religious-based or secular, it’s huge. To in any way equate that with slavery is a complete antithesis… ownership vs communion. Fook Moore.

      • clay

        Equating marriage with slavery is traditional in the Mediterranean Basin. In 1860, wives were property, except they couldn’t be sold.

        • AJ Drew

          Women as chattel has a long history, including here in USA! USA! And despite significant gains for women (voting, property rights,) it still continues and I fookin’ hate it.

    • Harley

      They all seem to forget that biblical marriage is a poligomous marriage.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Lawerence Collins

      Once again. They make killer drones the size of mosquitoes.

    • JCF

      Thank you.

  • David Walker

    Dear Mr. Moore:
    Let’s review, shall we?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

  • TexasBoy

    Dear Roy,

    Legal marriage predates your bronze age superstitious belief system.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Sam_Handwich

      i wonder what more will emerge about this shady pig.

    • The_Wretched

      Where are the congressional investigations into Rohrabacher’s finances?

      • Bad Tom

        Controlled by Congress.

        • BobSF_94117

          Controlled by the GOP majority in Congress.

    • JRDC

      FUCK YEAH

    • gaycuckhubby
      • The_Wretched

        I was wondering when the hand off from Assangie to the admin would happen.

      • Niblet58

        Old Mikey loves himself that Russian spy doesn’t he.Wonder what Putie Poo has on old Mikey…..

        • Misutaa Roboto

          It is interesting that Paul Manafort was the one who was pushing Trump so hard to get Pence as his VP pick. I don’t know whether that was because Pence had been compromised in some way, or because he thought it would increase Trump’s chances of turning out the evangelical vote, but I tend to assume that whatever Paul Manafort does is done with the goal of benefiting daddy Vladi.

      • JCF
  • bkmn

    In good news – Kid Rock is not running for Senate…

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kid-rock-im-not-running-for-senate

  • safari
    • The_Wretched

      Good! I can’t believe he even toyed with it.

      • I can. It was weeks of free publicity for someone who hasn’t been newsworthy for years.

        • JAKvirginia

          Needs moar upvotes!

    • JRDC

      Praise the Lord

  • Tawreos

    OK I will be the shallow one and say that the guy on the left in the pic is kind of cute. I bet it takes no more than 1 beer to get him in the mood to experiment.

  • Joseph Miceli

    I’m so sorry, but I’m afraid that I have nothing but contempt for white trash.

  • greenmanTN
    • The_Wretched

      Which is about one of the worst things you can do to people with brain issues. They need as much reality as they can get.

      • safari

        It’s not like lying to people about baby parts being sold would cause them to shoot up planned parenthood or something…

        • Tor

          Or other lies would cause someone to shoot up a pizza parlor.

    • Boreal
  • Dred Scot has long been code in right wing circles. It was often code for overturning Roe v Wade without coming out and saying it. They heard it loud and clear and liberals often didn’t catch it. W, for example, referenced it in debates and speeches. He wouldn’t dare say that he wanted to overturn Roe so he referenced Dred Scot as an example of a bad Supreme Court decision. This is especially funny given that most right wingers would have agreed with that decision.

  • Frostbite

    How about drug abuse? Where does that fall into things? Is that worse than slavery but not as bad as gay marriage? What about your 10th time getting caught for drug abuse? Does that bring it on-par with gay marriage?

    • Tawreos

      Now Now don’t go bringing up his son getting caught in political smear campaigns, gays are the real problem not parents that can’t control their kids.

      • Frostbite

        What? I never mentioned his son once! But now that you brought him up…

  • Blake J Butler
  • TexasBoy

    Hey Roy,

    Your son keeps getting arrested. You need to pray harder.

    • Tawreos

      Oops, you have a typo there, it should be pay more, that will do more to keep his son from being arrested again.

  • Lars Littlefield

    We all agree he’s a shithead. Big deal. No news here.
    What are his current poll numbers?

  • Blake J Butler
    • Treant

      I guess he saw how underwater his numbers were.

  • Blake J Butler
    • BobSF_94117

      What nonsense. The only way to restore jobs to rural Virginia is to lure companies with tax breaks and exacerbate suburban sprawl. Or maybe he can build coal mines out there, among the trees…

  • Treant

    You could be right, Roy. I do force my husband to perform degrading sexual acts with great regularity. But he doesn’t seem to mind that.

    He hates it when I ask him to edge the lawn, however.

    • safari

      Edge the lawn? Sounds dirty

      • JAKvirginia

        The lawn is full of gay blades.

  • safari

    “PickyPecker went to town, evidently as a pony”

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Stuck a pecker in his mouth
      And called it macaroni?
      ^Too bad it was Mulroney

      [Edited as indicated.]

      • clay

        macaroni? limp noodle?
        such a sad, sad story

        • Joe in PA

          Oh, prepare for the wrath of Picky…. It won’t be a pretty pony™.

          • clay

            No, no, not his; the one in his mouth.

          • Joe in PA

            Whew. But I suppose that does talk to his “talents”…or lack thereof. Ahem.

    • clay

      See, equal recognition of same-sex marriage leads to cocks marrying ponies.

      • ZRAinSWVA

        Hahahaha! Good one!

  • Ben in Oakland

    “In 1857 the United States Supreme Court did rule that black people were property. Of course that contradicted the Constitution, and it took a civil war to overturn it.”

    And this man is a lawyer? The constitution PERMITTED it, and Dred Scott was not strictly about the institution of slavery, or at least as legally practiced in Al Abama.

  • Dagoril

    “In 1857 the United States Supreme Court did rule that black people were property. Of course that contradicted the Constitution, and it took a civil war to overturn it.”

    Moore is advocating for another Civil War. Literally a Civil War.

    • CPT_Doom

      It also didn’t contradict the Constitution as it existed in 1857.

  • -M-

    Republicans, everybody. They’ll be here until you throw them out like the trash they are.

  • KarenAtFOH

    Why do we even have to be arguing this shit? Oh right, because Jesus in the south, with prejudice.

  • Halou

    “Support Christian Marriage”

    Why yes, I do support the right of couples to get divorced and remarried, time and time and time again… Just without all the pious garbage.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Tbh… i support Christian marriages, and Muslim marriages, and Hindu marriages, and Athiest marriages, and straight marriages, and gay marriages, and open marriages, and monogamous marriages, and marriages that produce children and ones that don’t, i support lifelong marriages and 2nd 3rd 4th marriages.

      See… it’s easy

  • OdieDenCO

    royboy, just because you agree with the Dred Scott ruling does not mean every other ruling is worse.

  • edrex

    “strange fruits” indeed.

  • JWC

    Alabama is destined to stay out of step in the dark ages

    • Mikey

      for me it will always be known as Al-Abama

      • JWC

        It seems strange that there are several states in the south that: A)0 are impovrished B) have disaterous drug problems and C) have governments that are SO corrupt . I would hazard a guess support, for the most part the GOP

        • Mikey

          and D) have largely right-wing neo-christian populations.

          • JWC

            I think you will find that on page 27 of the Fannie Farmers Recipes for Disaster

  • Reality.Bites

    He’s going to be in big trouble with his supporters for saying black people aren’t property.

  • Benny S.

    Now that’s REALLY pandering to the base.

  • andrew

    Does anyone have the slightest doubt that had Roy Moore lived in the 19th century he would have been a strong supporter of slavery?

    • Karl Dubhe

      I really think that if he could get away with it now, he’d be an open advocate of enslaving people.

  • KnownDonorDad

    This man will make Ted Cruz look like Chuck Schumer.

  • Don’t forget: When all seems dark and horrible, we have awesome allies.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf4ae7a9d9d799339154c2d93aab6367bb48cf46ef9ca9f95184a1fc7639a9cd.jpg

  • anne marie in philly

    like HE would know ANYTHING about slavery! STFU, YOU FUCKING ASSTWAT!

  • Gianni

    It must really agitate and frustrate this fucker to know that the Constitution actually dictates that ALL of us are to be treated equally under the law and that it gives the Supreme Court of The United States the right and duty to make decisions regarding the constitutional application of the laws AND, if determined to be unconstitutional, strike them down. And he’s a judge, no less.

  • Kenster999

    Outrageous! He wants to stop “unnatural” marriages? Well, screw that! He can take my necrophiliac marriage from us when he pries me from my partner’s cold, dead hands!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • David

    The Last protesteth too much, me thinks.

    • FelineMama

      YUP!! So this “person” doesn’t think there is a difference between being KIDNAPPED from your village (continents far away) by gunpoint, & making CHOICES on how one chooses THEIR (keyword “THEIR”) own life. WOW!!
      And he wanna be a memba’ of congress(of course).
      “Hey I wear a cowboy hat (I can cause I’m a male & a used to be sheriff), and I carry my Scary cigarette lighter lookin’ pistol?

  • David

    Countdown to a “very inconvenient” gay sex scandal in 5…4…3…2…

  • BobSF_94117

    “… marriage other than the institution ordained of God and recognized by nearly every state in the union”

    Uh, before Obergefell, what states didn’t recognize marriage?

  • GanymedeRenard

    Fundamentalist idiot hasn’t realized you can support same-sex marriage without opposing mixed-sex marriage. What’s wrong with these morons’ psyche?

  • MDixon34

    “…leading on…to polygamy, to multi-partner marriages.” What? You mean like biblical marriage?

  • Robert Adams

    And having been neither a slave nor gay (that we are aware of….we guys all know what went on at the old swimming hole), Moore is an expert on both?

  • I would have thought that Moore’s constituency would be fine with Dred Scott.

  • JCF