Sanders: I’ll Run In 2018 As An Independent [VIDEO]

The Concord Monitor reports:

Bernie Sanders said he’ll run for re-election next year as an independent candidate. The 2016 Democratic presidential candidate and independent senator from Vermont made the news in an interview with the Monitor on Sunday evening after energizing Democratic activists packed into the American Legion hall in Rollinsford, along the Maine border. Sanders’s trip to the first-in-the-nation primary state was his second in less than two months, sparking more speculation that he just may run again for the White House in 2020.

But before any potential 2020 White House run, the former Burlington, Vt., mayor and congressman must deal with his 2018 re-election for a third term in the U.S. Senate. “I am an independent, and I have always run in Vermont as an independent, while I caucus with the Democrats in the United States Senate,” Sanders said. “That’s what I’ve been doing for a long time and that’s what I’ll continue to do.”

This also happened on Friday:

DNC member Bob Mulholland of California tried on Friday to get a DNC panel to pass a resolution urging Sanders and Sen. Angus King of Maine, both independents, to run for re-election as Democrats in 2018. But the committee defeated it, denying the resolution a vote before the full DNC on Saturday at its meeting in Las Vegas.

Mulholland said he had three co-sponsors for the resolution, which says King and Sanders “have contributed enormously to key Democratic causes.”

He said it was rejected after a Vermont member discussed the party’s long relationship with Sanders. “It would help if everybody who believes in the Democratic Party platform actually said, ‘I am a Democrat,’ ” Mulholland told USA TODAY.

  • Tawreos

    And this is how Trump will win in 2020

  • j.martindale

    Die already, old man.

    • Todd20036

      He might be talking about 2020 anyway.
      I’m ok with him dying. He’s nearly as narcissistic as Trump. He’ll never blame himself for his part in Clinton’s loss.

  • Gustav2

    “I’m not a Democrat, but will tell Democrats what to do.”

    Hell, Republicans say that shit every day.

    • Guy z

      Go to the twitter page. Look at the fervor with which Bernie supporters respond while demonizing the DNC. I just did the same for 45’s and ABC’s posts re LaDavid Johnson’s wife. Couldn’t tell the difference between 45 and Bernie folks. Horseshoe theory.

      • pch1013

        The Bernie cultists’ favorite bêtes noires are, in approximate descending order: Hillary, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz, Donna Brazile, Elizabeth Warren.

        Hmm. It’s almost as if they all had something in common. I can’t quite put my finger on what exactly that is.

        • JCF

          …maybe if you just reach out and grab it.

  • greenmanTN

    I thought he was running as a joke.

    • Todd20036

      Trump or Sanders? (Yeah, I know. Replace the “or” with an “and”)

  • djcoastermark

    Dear lard man, you’re approaching 80. Isn’t it time to retire? Time to get away, go out and enjoy a stress free life for a bit?

    • Mark

      His ego won’t allow him to do that.

  • Christ. What an asshole.

  • Ernest Endevor

    You’re too fucking old!!!!! You’re TOO FUCKING OLD!!!! You’re a vain, inconsequential old man telling lies to kids. I already lived through the ’60s. I don’t need to live them again. And I don’t need you guaranteeing Trump’s second term. The country is on fire. WE NEED THE DEMOCRATS TO WIN.

    This is about the most distressing thing I’ve read in weeks. He didn’t do enough damage the last time?

    • gaycuckhubby

      Just to clarify… this is for his Senate run in 18. Not President in 2020

      • Ernest Endevor

        Never mind. Perhaps I should read Joe’s posts first? Let me do some clean up. Thank you for your patience. I will now get back to work.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Why did the Democrats allow a non-Democrat run for their nomination?
    Trump at least changed his affiliation. Even if it was fake.

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      That set me wild, too. The party should require anyone to be a member in good standing for at least 5 years before allowing him/her to run under the party banner. Maybe even longer when we’re talking about the top job.

      • gaycuckhubby

        What drove me crazy is even while running for the nomination of the Democratic Party he still didn’t identify as a Democrat

        • Ninja0980

          Yup, and he trashed the party the entire time.

          • pch1013

            And so did his cultists – while gleefully regurgitating many of the same GOP- and Russia-sourced smears, some of them decades old, coming from the Trump campaign.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Really? Then on the other hand people start moaning about how we need to water down our principles and allow anti-abortion “Dems” a seat at the table, saying our search for “pure” candidates will doom us as a party. The anti Bernie animus is strong.

        • robindaybird

          The animus wouldn’t be so strong if Sanders didn’t keep fanning the “I was ROBBED!” meme and so casually dismiss LGBT, Gender and Race issues as Identity Politics that get in the way of the True Socialist Agenda.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I love all of you . No really I do. This site and all of you keep me sane through bush and now Trump . The one thing that dismays me is the constant Bernie bashing. I guess it’s just the price of admission .

          • Guy z

            If that is the sole area of cognitive dissonance, what might that suggest about Bernie? One of these things is not like the others.

            To see what is in front of one’s nose needs constant struggle – George Orwell.

          • Joseph Miceli

            When I see your posts it’s usually because you’re behaving like an asshole . I don’t even bother with your content because your delivery is so abusive . Why don’t you save the crap for our enemies and try treating people with a little more respect ? They might actually read your posts

          • Moonbeam_Song

            Can you at least TRY to understand why Bernie gets bashed from such a significant part of the left? There are MANY of us who initially felt favorably towards him two years ago who have soured dramatically on him as of today.

            And that’s all on HIM, his words, and his actions. We looked at him more closely, and really DID NOT like what we saw.

            He will not win if he runs as an Independent in 2020. He will not win the nomination if he makes another try in the Democratic primaries.

            He will, at best, play spoiler. Again. Setting BACK liberal and progressive causes rather than advancing them. Again.

            I like my idealist politicians to have at least enough pragmatism to make real gains. I don’t think Bernie is that kind of politician. I don’t think he would make a good President. And I don’t think he’s as committed to progressive ideas as much as he’s committed to this romantic notion of himself as a progressive savior.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Those are valid concerns. I do understand and share those concerns. What I don’t share is this redirected “Clinton Derangement Syndrome” that many are aiming his way. Bernie Sanders is not Satan. Bernie Sanders is not the enemy. Bernie Sanders did NOT cost Hillary the Presidency. Bernie Sanders pushed Progressive ideas when the Dems were doing their very best to become the party of “Republican Lite.”
            Is he perfect? Hell no, but he doesn’t deserve this unthinking vitriol that is spewed at him every time his name comes up on this site. The proof is in the reactions here. He is quoted as running as an independent for Senate…and immediately everyone piled on as if he were running as a spoiler in 2020. Some of the comments were harsher than if Louie Gohmert had pushed a bill requiring the denial of medical aid to gay convicts (don’t want to give him any ideas!)
            This is pure knee jerk reaction without thought and every time it happens on this site, I’m disappointed.
            Well, enough concern trolling. Like I said above, I love you all and this site keeps me alive, but I simply have to recognize that Bernie Trolling is the price of admission in this relationship.

          • Moonbeam_Song

            I’d ask you to reconsider whether this is truly “knee jerk”, or if it’s not more likely based on multiple instances of Sanders undercutting the party, or at least providing only half-hearted support of the party, at crucial moments.

            It seems inaccurate to suggest that the Democrats are “Republican lite”, and I personally think you have to deliberately ignore a lot of their platform, speeches, and legislation to get to that point. And Sanders isn’t even the most progressive Senator around. But that’s part of the problem I have with Sanders — in order to bolster himself, he and his supporters spent a lot of time demonizing the Democratic establishment during a time when the GOP was running an actual demon! It wasn’t anywhere near as unifying or supportive as it should have been, and there are echoes of those unhelpful descriptions in your own comments.

            Maybe it’s not worth outright vitriol, but a certain level of disapproval is, honestly, warranted. Especially since neither Sanders nor his supporters seem to want to change that attitude. I’ve seen very little to suggest that Sanders is interested in being more of a team player, and that’s why every move he makes is viewed with suspicion. Because of PAST moves he made!

            I’d like to see a LOT more self-reflection on the Sanders side of things before I accept that every other faction of Democrats is in the wrong here, and the Sanders wing are the One True and Holy Progressive Wing.

            Right now I do not see Sanders as having the ability to play a positive role in uniting people behind a single Democratic politician or using his influence in a positive way to rally the left. He’s a divisive figure in large part because he and his supporters made moves to divide the left. That was part of his strategy. Ultimately that strategy did nothing to advance any progressive cause at all, and in fact we’ve seen a dramatic erosion of recent progressive gains. So even if his heart was absolutely, 100% in the right place, he was enormously INeffective at producing any practical progressive gains this last election cycle.

            I think if he truly cares about progressive causes, he’ll stop making this about himself, step aside, and bolster several younger leaders within the Democratic party. I’ll be a lot more impressed with him if he can do so WITHOUT continuing his “us vs them” statements about the DNC or long-term Democrats.

            (And yeah, I have a bugaboo about Sanders trashing long-term Democrats. Lots of people have been part of that party for a long time, volunteering and spending a lot of time working, supporting, getting out vote, organizing on the local level… and for Sanders and his “newcomer” supporters to suddenly make it seem like all of those people were just corporatist hacks supporting corporatist hack politicians, it’s deeply insulting. And wildly inaccurate.)

            If Sanders can start to make some positive arguments that are unifying, progressive, and don’t heavily depend on making fellow Democratic politicians or the DNC into “the bad guys”, he’d do a lot to change my opinion of his actions.

          • Guy z

            Enemies. I don’t see people who are politically opposed as enemies. I am of the school of thought that we on the left need to have some serious “come to Jesus” conversations so that we can be more unified (see Al Gore and Hillary Clinton and the ease with which we eat our own because we let the perfect be the enemy of the good).

            Thank you for reading my post and sharing a response. I find that if I have a visceral reaction to something, especially as relates to my behavior, it might be helpful to take a closer look/examine my ways. I believe in tough love not just for Hillary, but for those of us who want to hold her accountable.

          • Joseph Miceli

            It isn’t tough love to attack people who should be allied as if you were responding on “Breitbart.” It is just being rude. I get that you feel strongly and Lord knows, I’m asking for it here simply by saying Bernie isn’t all bad, but we all need to pull together to ensure that Trump is either a one term or doesn’t finish THIS term. The blame game has to stop. It isn’t as if I still hold a grudge for the PUMA’s from 2008. It is past time to move on.

          • GeoffreyPS

            “…it might be helpful to take a closer look/examine my ways.”
            It is hard to examine your ways when your posting history is blocked.

          • Guy z

            Dear Geoffrey, I’m so confused by your response. My ability to “self reflect” is independent of your ability of review my posts (which are apparently blocked?).

            In any case, one’s posting history is also independent of whether, or not, we agree with his or her positions (see tribalism in America and elsewhere…see shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose support). One doesn’t need to see my previous posts to decide if s/he disagrees with me 😘😉

          • GeoffreyPS

            I thought you were inviting us to examine your ways. Which is difficult with posting history blocked. I should have been more careful with my reading.

            BTW, I consider posting history a way of judging character. It’s handy for assessing people who are acting rudely and trollish. Some may be having a bad day or are more emotional about an issue. But for others it’s inherent in their character and they are just jerks. I chose to block them because they aren’t worth of my attention. People with blocked history (set to private) are more likely to be blocked.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f2c38d2a822416e110b55ccfbad75db43ce965a4242a6102c00eefba982cccd.jpg

          • Guy z

            Dear Geoffrey,
            Thank you for explaining your reasoning. I forgot my selections when registering here, but the utmost privacy level is always my default on any social media platform. I left Facebook after they disabled some name protections…well, that and the external puppet masters we now learn are active on the platform (goodness, I’m paranoid).

            I’m public on instagram, but only because my narcissistic tendencies need the attention 😂…vogue…twerk…six pack voyeurism/exhibitionism…you know…I’m a responsible 2017 gay. I hope we continue to have heated intellectual exchanges…much love.

          • cleos_mom

            Any animus is too ‘strong’ when the centerpiece of a cult is involved. Infallibility is an essential part of the package.

        • danolgb

          Except it was Bernie who first said the Dems shouldn’t be focusing on “identity-politics” and backed anti-abortion “Dems.”

          • Joseph Miceli

            Sure. He was first. Right. I withdraw all objections. Bernie Sanders is a monster who eats children , seeks the One Ring , And tells small children ” that’s not your real mommy and daddy .” How could I have been so blind ? Thank you for opening my eyes !

          • danolgb

            “We have got to appreciate where people come from, and do our best to fight for the pro-choice agenda. But I think you just can’t exclude people who disagree with us on one issue.” (April 2017)

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yep, he was first ! Absolutely ! I was wrong ! Here’s to unity !

        • pch1013

          If there was a Bernie Party, and some Democrat decided to switch affiliations in order to run for its Presidential nomination, while issuing stern demands and threatening to withhold support if those demands aren’t met, would Bernie and his cultists be OK with that?

          • Joseph Miceli

            And that is what disqualifies any further discourse with you. You insulted me by calling me a cultist. Goodbye.

          • Guy z

            This is why people say we get triggered easily. Just like Bernie. You didn’t do everything I wanted in the order I demanded, even though I contribute nothing to your internet connection, etc., so I’m closing shop.

            Trump would not be in if 77k people in WI and MI didn’t vote for Jill Stein or stay home.

            By referring to the PUMAs who came out in force for Obama, there seems to be a false equivalence. It is, indeed, time to move on and work with, not against, the DNC.

          • Joseph Miceli

            WTF? This guy calls me a “cultist” with all that entails (unthinking adoration of a personality, abandonment of critical faculties, reduced mental capacity) and I am unreasonable for taking offense? No, I think that rather than “triggered” I am simply showing I have some self respect in not engaging abusive people.
            As for Trump not being “in,” IF Hillary hadn’t been unreasonably smeared for over 30 years, IF Bernie had capitulated sooner (yes, I am self-aware, thank you!) if Jill Stein hadn’t been the opportunistic Russian puppet that she is, if Comey hadn’t played politics with a supposedly apolitical organization, if Russia hadn’t fooled with Facebook and Google and Twitter, if the Electoral College weren’t rigged, if disenfranchisement of likely Dem voters hadn’t been pushed damn near with no obstruction for the last 16 years….
            You can’t take just one and blame that one.
            As for the PUMA’s, you are correct. That is a false equivalence. While 25 percent of PUMA’s ended up voting for McCain and Palin back in 2008, only an estimated 8 percent of Bernie Bros defected to vote for Jill Stein or (shudder) Trump. Bernie’s followers for the most part voted for Hillary.
            Then there’s the DNC. Sorry, the DNC needs to embrace its own platform and run an above the board nomination process. I’m not saying that the last time was unfair, only that their political incompetence allowed them to be open to charges of malfeasance. Debbie Wasserman Schultz may not have been dishonest, but she most definitely was out maneuvered.
            These are all REAL lessons that we can learn from. Calling Bernie a carpetbagging socialist who “only is in if for himself” or any of the other drivel only helps the one percent. I refuse to do so.

          • Guy z

            I’ll just address the data in your response, because emotional issues are beyond virtual discussion.
            1. What percentage of Bernie supporters actually voted for Trump (just Trump, not Trump and Stein as you claim without citation)? About 10 %. Source: http://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

            or 12% https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?utm_term=.ac82cb220b6c

            What role did Jill Stein and Gary Johnson play? http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler/index.html

            https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/gary-johnson-jill-stein-election-2016

            It is OK. If one comes home and says, I was prodigal. I ignored Al Gore’s warnings. I am sorry. How do I fix this, that is one thing.
            When one blatantly refuses to own up to his or her foolishness and comes here spouting nonsense out of both sides of his/her mouth, I become my mother. We do not suffer fools lightly/gladly…(A fool is someone who repeats past mistakes and expects something different. See Al Gore vs Ralph Nader. See Clinton vs Sanders.).

          • Joseph Miceli

            So in other words, you’ll try to tar me as over emotional because I refuse to to dignify someone who insults me with a serious response? You just did exactly what he did. Good job!
            The eight percent figure was from Daily Kos in the early days after the election and I’m sure as more information became available it changed. What didn’t change is that PUMA’s did NOT support Barrack and they were steadfast in that betrayl, more so than the Bernie Bros. Too bad that the black vote didn’t turn out to support Hillary, but I’m betting the “super predator” thing probably turned them off to her.
            As for my “foolishness” your misrepresentation of my argument and my position is a red herring. Do you really want to “win” an argument so badly? I am on record for begging Bernie supporters to vote for her. In the end she was simply too damaged. That, Sir, is reality.The only foolishness I see her is someone who continually alienates people in his own base by rehashing an election that has passed, thereby ensuring that he’ll lose the next one.
            Wake up and smell the coffee! What you are doing HURTS dem chances. That is the act of a real fool.

          • Guy z

            By the black vote in your previous comment, do you mean white women? Because 93 percent of black women voted for Hillary. Over 80% of black voters under 30 voted for her. Citation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/black-women–hillary-clintons-most-reliable-voting-bloc–look-beyond-defeat/2016/11/12/86d9182a-a845-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html?utm_term=.6fc9ff8cf16d
            Please look elsewhere for that blame game. We all saw the super predator comment for what it was. Let’s put you under a microscope for one month (as opposed to her 30 years) and see what “surfaces”…e.g. the casual racism in the cause-effect relationship you suggest (black voters can’t think beyond a sound bite re super predators?)…

            Stop referring to my ability to turn you or some other Sanders voter off. If these arguments make you vote for trump, you should be a trump voter from the get go. His economic and healthcare changes(if successful) do not directly affect me. I support the Democratic Party because a rising tide lifts all boats…since people have selected this route, we will hopefully return to lifting all boats in a few years.

            Please share citations to support further claims. Wishing you well.

          • pch1013

            Let the record show that you refused to answer my highly reasonable question. Would the Bernie Party allow a Democrat to run for its nomination and, in so doing, foster a potentially fatal split within it?

    • Uncle Mark

      I got the impression the DNC didn’t want Sanders to Ralph Nader the election in the GOP’s favor, so they agreed to let him run in the Democratic primary.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Oh for fuck sake.

  • GeneInSJ

    Hell no!

  • Rebecca Gardner

    The only thing Bernie Sanders cares about is Bernie Sanders. If he runs we will have a President Trump until 2024 or until he blows us all up. Fuck you Bernie, you self-serving, selfish, asshole!

    • Chris

      A lot of us did and were getting really indignant, until we realized it was the same senate run he has always done. Thankfully.

      • Cipher

        Thankfully, yes. Is it really too much to ask for the man who wanted to be the party’s standard bearer for the top job just a year ago to run in his next election as a party member? I guess I’m still indignant.

    • Treant

      He’s still a self-serving, selfish asshole, though. 🙂

    • ColdCountry

      A lot of Vermonters like him. A lot. Don’t know if he’d make a good President, but that bar seems to have been lowered to the basement for that job, anyway.

  • bambinoitaliano

    We regress physically and mentally quite rapidly when reach a certain age. What is wrong with the US politics are those like Bernie Sanders who act like a teething puppy chewing on the same pair of shoe thinking his ideas of yore still make good political platform. Part of the reason of low voters turn out is the tiresome same old same old individuals treating the political arena as their retirement home. I find it self serving. Certainly they are still some brilliant minds exist among these live long career politicians. They are best serve in the capacity as mentors and consultants and let the next generation have a stab at leading the country. We did not suddenly get a fucking moron being install in the White House, these long term serving politicians have a hand in creating this ill opportunity for that to happen. If the like of Bernie Sanders intention is to better the country, perhaps take a step back and let some new blood inject some much needed energy to revive the voters interest in politics again.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      He’s a Narcissist

  • I really hope that 2020 speculation they mention is just that and nothing more.

    • thatotherjean

      If not, he’ll play the same role in the next election that he did in the last one–spoiler.

      • robindaybird

        he’ll be close to 80 in 2020, if he has any sense, he’d realize he’d be too old to run, but he’s the guy that wonders why nobody likes him after he threw poop at people.

  • Blake Jordan

    I know it won’t happen…
    But it would give me so much joy if he lost!!!

    Ps. I know this is about his senate seat, and not the 2020 presidential election.

  • Harveyrabbit

    “It would help if everybody who believes in the Democratic Party platform actually said, ‘I am a Democrat,’ ”

    Also helpful would be if everybody who believes in the Nazi Party platform actually said ‘I am a Nazi’.

    • Tawreos

      The Nazi’s are starting to do that more and more.

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    Fucking fuck right off, Bernie, you fuck.

  • M Jackson

    I can’t use up all my fucking fucks for the day this early, on this man, again.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Oy! Bernie, bubula, you are making me all verklempt. Here’s a subject, “You are neither a democrat or wanted by the democrats. Discuss.”

  • BeaverTales

    I would vote for any Democrat with Bernie’s platform, but Bernie himself will have to convince America that he’s not getting too long in the tooth and that he can help propel a new set of Democrats to victory in swing and red states…., and that he can still win over independents like himself.

  • Randolph Finder

    Everyone, please read. He’s running for *RE-ELECTION* as a Senator as an Independent in 2018. (exactly what he did in 2012, 2006 and I *think* 2000). The Vermont Democratic Party has long since come to an agreement with him on this. (Basically we will run either no candidate or a minor candidate against you and in return you’ll say nice things about the Democrats running for office).

    • Treant

      He broke that agreement by trashing Hillary Rodham Clinton. As far as I’m concerned, holding to the Democratic Party’s end would be feeding the traitor.

  • Hasn’t been a Democrat, only ‘signed up’ in 2015 so he had a chance to win the Presidency (his own words… very clear), and now again is still not a Democrat. Apparently the courage of his convictions doesn’t give him the strength to make a decision. Wishy washy as the winds blow.

  • BartmanLA

    OH just GO AWAY Bernie, haven’t you done enough to mess up the political arena?

  • Mark Austin

    Bernie Sanders is almost as committed to destroying this country as Donald Trump. What an ego – “I’ll run independently, even if it fractures the weak Democratic vote, plowing the way for Pence.” Ultimately, the loss here isn’t the presidency – it’s the Supreme Court. With a 6-3 conservative vote, we will see the end of:
    – Gay Marriage
    -Abortion Rights
    -Women’s Rights
    -Separation of Church and State
    -The Rise of the formal “Christian Nation”
    -Approved Gerrymandering across the USA
    -Elimination of public education (P-16)
    -Elimination of environmental, business, financial, and civil protections
    -End of free press, free speech

    These are the really long-term wins for the conservatives.

    • Ninja0980

      It will bring about the progressive revolution so it’s all worth it though.

      • Guy z

        This. Lol. Hillary was the progressive revolution. She was revolutionary before it was cool. Why do we not teach or research history in this country? Amazon has a four part documentary called “The Clintons”…necessary watching.

        • JCF

          I’m fairly certain Ninja’s being facetious.

      • danolgb

        You could have had a chance to fly on a private jet with Susan “Viva la Revolucion” Sarandon. Now if anything says fighting for the little people, it’s private jets. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a1f4b64b5e8816239074aa61c1b58b0f3271e761c336f91325a2fc1e3a05d59.png

        • CB

          I hate her. Really. Hate.

      • Rick Barrett-Olson

        Ninja0980 dear……As someone who has lived through the civil rights era, Viet Nam, the LGBT Rights movement, the Women’s Movement etc., I can assure you, you will not live to see a progressive ‘revolution’. Change comes slowly and incrementally. And if, per chance’ a ‘progressive revolution’ does come, its leader will not be a 74 year old white, male, career politician.

        • danolgb

          (Ninja forgot the sarcasm tag)

  • TampaDink

    He really & truly need not…especially in terms of his 2020 plans.

  • Tread

    Jesus Christ, DNC and Democrats in Vermont. Can you please kick this narcissist grifter and felon-abetting closet racist to the curb? They should be putting up a real Democratic challenger to him for the Senate seat. No more propping up someone who has shown himself to a fox in the hen house.

  • Ross

    TWO THOUGHTS ABOUT 2016

    ONE:

    Initially, I was kinda intrigued with Bernie. I liked a lot of what he was saying. I even took one of those political compatibility tests and scored 99% with Bernie (84% with Hillary).

    Then I studied his actual achievements.

    Oh.

    Oh dear.

    Then I watched, in horror, as he trashed Hillary with unfounded accusations.

    Then I watched, in horror, as he trashed the Democratic Party.

    Then I watched, in horror, his actions and words since the election.

    Today?

    I loathe Bernie with a white-hot passion. I LOATHE HIM.

    TWO:

    There is a big difference between ideas and accomplishments.

    Bernie has a lot of progressive ideas. He has however almost zilch regarding progressive accomplishments.

    Hillary? She has a long career of progressive accomplishments. Just one example? Her getting healthcare for eight million children.

    Yet there is this myth that Bernie forced Hillary to become more progressive. No, Hillary WAS progressive, and more so than Bernie.

    To me, actions speak far louder than words.

    AND:

    I bring all this up because it is relevant to 2018 and 2020.

    Bernie cares more about himself than the country.

    Caveat emptor.

    • Treant

      ^^ This. A quick review of his record shows him to be unable to accomplish much of anything. A quick review of his rhetoric shows him to be a soft racist.

      • robindaybird

        His utter refusal to bend or compromise is a bad trait for a politician, yes – nobody likes a politician that doesn’t keep their promises, but Sanders is the ‘take my ball and go home’ type, preferring to do nothing rather than bend.

        • Bad Tom

          Sounds more like the DOTUS than anyone else.

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    • Ninja0980

      Yup, and he and his followers use that nice dog whistle of identity politics too.

    • jerry

      Same here…I liked a lot of his proposals, but he was completely unelectable. And his supporters are a cult which reminds me very much of Lyndon LaRouche…everyone who disagrees, even slightly, is a sellout to corporatism. I watched in horror as his supporters caused an 8-hour floor fight over Bernie-specific language in our state platform. And I watched in horror as his supporters booed and disrupted liberal icons/civil rights heroes such as John Lewis, Elijah Cummings, Elizabeth Warren, labor leaders, gay rights pioneers, etc. at the national convention.

      They’re still trying to take over local/state Democratic Parties. While I normally welcome any/all assistance for elections, they don’t support or help if their chosen candidate doesn’t win the primary, and still would support a third party candidate over a Democratic nominee.

    • JCF

      “Bernie cares more about himself than the country.”

      I’m thinking of the end of Animal Farm: “pig and man, no one could tell them apart.”

    • cleos_mom

      >Bernie cares more about himself than the country.

      What a coincidence — so do his supporters.

      • Ross

        AMEN!

  • joe ho

    Pied piper narcissistic spoiler says what?

  • Treant

    Sorry, Bernie, I don’t care. I also don’t see why the Democrats don’t run a competitor against you and withdraw all support. I strongly doubt even Vermonters are too happy about your assist in installing Trump and we’re not going to take the Senate in 2018 anyway.

    No prizes for traitors.

  • narutomania

    Give. It. Up. Bernie.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • WarrenHart

    What a self centered asshole.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Thanks to the Berniebots we got the Great White Dope.

  • downtownla

    Sigh… who needs the Republicans to bash the left in America when the Democrats do such a great job of it. To paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr., it’s not the KKK and the Trumps we have to worry about preventing social progress, it’s the moderate whites.

    • danolgb

      Bernie is not the sole-proprietor of “the left.” There are plenty of progressive Dems who actually have a record of getting things done and aren’t an obstinate whiny asshole.

      • downtownla

        So when our country finally adopts universal healthcare, ala Medicare for All, who will you give credit to?

        • danolgb

          Did you know Hillary fought for it as First Lady? That the health care industry then spent millions of dollars attacking her for it? That she still managed to get CHIP passed? That was all in the 90s. Bernie has been in Congress that whole time. What the hell has he actually accomplished

          • downtownla

            Sorry, but Hillary’s efforts as First Lady contributed to this mess. She is the one that invited the pharmaceutical and insurance companies to the table. They crafted this complicated new system that the Republicans were able to mock with all those charts on the floor of Congress. The health care industry then proceeded to turn around and stab her in the back and said the plan sucked. She should have learned from that lesson and NEVER trusted them again. Instead, she still thinks she can work with them. And now during the campaign, she will be remembered as the candidate who said single payer will “never, ever happen.” So if you want a healthcare system that incorporates those back-stabbing entities, then feel free to support Hillary and Corey Booker and other moderates. However, if you want a single-payer, government program, you are going to have to support someone like Bernie or someone to the left of him. Bernie isn’t perfect, but at least he is moving the needle to the left and I believe one-day we will get there. Part of that is being an unabashed socialist. He is helping to rehabilitate that word amongst young people who favor that term over capitalism.

          • danolgb

            Um.. she did learn from that lesson. Try to pay attention.
            But, again, what has Bernie actually accomplished in his 25 years in Congress towards this goal? Hillary can at least point to the kids helped by CHIP until Republicans let it die.

          • downtownla

            What did she learn? Please give examples of how her strategy and policy changed from 1992 and 2016. She has a history of repeating the same mistakes. Look at her 2008 and 2016 campaigns. She ran and lost the first time on a campaign of “being the adult in the room and her resume.” America didn’t buy it in 2008, but for some reason, she thought that campaign would work against Trump. She was wrong again. On the point of CHIP, she does get credit for that. Regarding Bernie’s accomplishments, here is a link I just found. In the end, neither politician Clinton or Sanders is perfect. Both have their pluses and minuses. However, I prefer someone who promotes a leftward shift to our policies than one who clearly is more comfortable working with large corporations. https://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

          • danolgb

            I asked what he’s accomplished towards universal healthcare. We all know about his bullshit lazy-ass amendments. Where is his comprehensive legislative efforts towards any of his goals?
            As for what Hillary learned, she learned those with insurance and the hundreds of thousands of people employed by the industry are very protective of it. You can’t just go in and take that away without a solid plan. Bernie’s plans are always half-baked.

          • downtownla

            Yes, Hillary is always learning. She learned about the Iraq War. She learned about marriage equality. She learned about calling young black men super predators. She learned about TPP and fracking. Good for her. Too bad she didn’t learn fast enough how to beat a racist, sexist, Russian-loving liar. (The answer is not to start measuring the curtains before you actually win the election.)

          • danolgb

            You certainly do have your talking points down. Same debunked bullshit. At least Hillary takes the time to analyze things. Bernie couldn’t figure out he had lost the primary by April and instead decided to burn the crops.

            Bernie, talks in platitudes, but never offered workable plans.

            It’s funny you couldn’t even name Bernie’s work towards his alleged platform. You had to go to a link of his stupid amendments, that even then didn’t bring him any closer to his alleged platform.

            That Russian-loving liar was helped by idiots like you who believed the lies that Bernie was cheated when the reality was he ran a terrible campaign and those who talk trash about her when she’s done more in the time she’s had in public life than Bernie ever hopes to. He just sucks at the teat of government funneling money to his family through his campaigns or nepotism while in office or even pushing legislation which benefits his own family. The man is a fraud as bad as Trump. He never released more than the one year of tax returns although he promised to. And in them, we found Jane was still making money off of the Sierra Blanca deal. And he never filed his final financial disclosures. What the hell is he hiding?

            http://gawker.com/report-bernie-sanders-and-his-wife-steered-money-to-fr-1751553768

            https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/16/1516075/-Sanders-are-still-profiting-from-Sierra-Blanca-nuclear-waste-dump-per-their-2014-tax-return

            https://sandersguideblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/07/sanders-finances-bring-a-shovel/

          • downtownla

            My god, your memory is so selective. Just compare Hillary’s response and her voters regarding Obama in 2008. More of her voters, particularly the poor whites in Appalachia that she prized, couldn’t vote for a black man so they voted Republican instead. (Check the stats if you don’t believe me.) She then turned the whole party, via the DNC, into Hillary 2016, causing the party to suffer historic losses for the next 7 years, as they bypassed most local races and even some key federal ones like the Senate. (I worked as a Director of Outreach at the DNC. I’ve heard the inside stories.) I’m not going to defend Bernie since I have never thought he was the perfect candidate either. Unfortunately, most other progressive candidates decided not to run in 2016. At this point, I would prefer someone else taking up the cause of the progressive left. All I know is I don’t want more Third-way Democrats who clearly don’t know how to win.

          • downtownla

            Oh, and for your obsession with blaming Bernie voters, that shows how little you know about GOTV and campaigns. There is a certain segment of voters who will never vote Democratic, including the Greens and far left. When campaigns strategize, they pursue the gettable votes. Those votes you keep complaining about were never gettable, so I don’t know why you are obsessed with them. (Just for the record I voted and donated to Hillary.) Instead, Hillary should have focused on the 8 million voters who voted for Obama but decided to sit this election out. When Trump got the nomination, Hillary basically thought there was no way she could lose to this jerk. So she basically laid low, thinking Trump would just hang himself. So what did she do, she nominated a VP who brought 0 to the ticket, but who she felt she could govern with. She also didn’t announce any major positions that she would have to regret once she won. She basically stopped campaigning. Can you imagine if she had nominated another woman to the ticket or a Latino or a black woman? She would have gotten those extra votes in Detroit and Philadelphia. This is what I mean about her basically running as if she won. In elections, they teach you to run as if you are always 2 points behind. In this case, once Trump got the nomination, Hillary ran as if she were the front runner. Her campaign of stability and experience was exactly the wrong message for this cycle. The Democrats could have, and should have, easily beaten Trump. There were a lot of Democrats who could have creamed Trump, even in a landslide, we just happened to nominate one of the few people who couldn’t pull it off.

  • JWC

    NO!!!!!!!

    • CB

      Fuck no!

  • boobert

    GO AWAY !!!!!!

  • bobbyjoe

    It’s time to play hardball. The Dems should release the tape Newsweek noted that the Trump team was gonna use to destroy Bernie, wherein Bernie stands in front of a crowd screaming “Death to America” in Nicaragua. There’s no way any Bernie campaign survives that, and if he’d won the Democratic nomination against Trump, his campaign would have been toast ten minutes after he got the nom. If nothing else, releasing the tape will shut up the “Bernie would have won” idiots once and for all.

    • Snarky

      My understanding is that Sanders attended the rally as part of an American delegation, but he wasn’t onstage. Sanders was mayor of Burlington, VT at the time, and he gave an interview to a local TV station when he returned home, partially praising both the Sandinistas and Fidel Castro. If you have a link to a story about him speaking at the rally, please share it. Id love to see it.

  • andrew

    It doesn’t really matter what Senators King and Sanders call themselves as long as they caucus and vote with the Democrats in the Senate.

  • Jim Foy

    Bernie is unelectable!

  • pch1013

    Mighty Morphin’ Bernie Sanders – at first he was an independent, then he was a Democrat just long enough to create a fatal split within the Democratic Party, now he’s an Independent again. At least until he wins his next Senate election, then I assume he’ll re-re-morph into a Democrat.

  • TexasBoy

    Bernie is the left wingnut mirror image of Trump. The only hope the US has of getting rid of Trump is a left leaning more moderate candidate.

  • Gerry Fisher

    I don’t care.

  • MarkBuster

    Me, almost everyone under 40 that I know, will be voting for him

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      The GOP thanks you for your service.

      • MarkBuster

        awesome. thanks for confirming my perception of the old guard at the dnc

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Honey, I’m Canadian, we don’t have a DNC and we’re far more liberal than you. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I’m correct in my assessment about far left purists and their desire to see a GOP Hegemony for the foreseeable future. I guess by having the GOP continue to have power gives you a raison d’etre, but hey, everyone has their needs I suppose.

    • pch1013

      But – let me guess – Dianne Feinstein is too old and should step aside, right?

    • NZArtist

      Wow. You must really love Donald Trump.
      Some people just dont understand the American political system.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Scribble Writer 🌹 ☭

    lmao imagine still having any faith whatsoever in the dems

  • jerrydoubleu .

    i will support bernie

  • Pluto Animus

    Bernie Sanders:
    Parasite on the Democratic Party.