POLL: Dem Doug Jones Surges Against Roy Moore

A new poll from Fox News:

Republican Roy Moore, the anti-Republican establishment candidate, is tied at 42 percent apiece with Democrat Doug Jones in the U.S. Senate race in deep-red Alabama. A Fox News Poll also finds that among just the 53 percent of Alabama registered voters who are extremely or very interested in the race, Jones has a one-point edge over Moore (46-45 percent).

The special election to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is December 12. The poll, released Tuesday, shows 42 percent of Moore’s supporters have some reservations about their candidate. For Jones, that number is 28 percent.

Plus, 21 percent of those in the Jones camp say they’re voting against Moore as opposed to for Jones. That’s three times the number of Moore supporters who say their vote is based on dislike of Jones (7 percent).

  • Lars Littlefield

    Has anyone seen Pickypepper today? I fear he is missing. 🙁

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      He’s around, he upvoted some of my posts.

      • Reality.Bites

        Show off!

    • bambinoitaliano
    • Tatonka

      He posted a gif chicken chasing down and mauling a small child a little while ago.

      OK, it didn’t show the actual mauling, presumably because it was too gory. Probably the whole thing is available on the DVD “Chickens of Death: Blood in the Barnyard.” Or possibly “Chickens of Death II: The Beakening.”

      Anyhow, it was glorious.

  • Lazycrockett

    As I said last night the DNC needs to throw some support and money at Jones.

    • Sebastian

      I think the DNC should stay away, Alabama is not a traditional state (or is rather far too traditional), but letting Doug run the race as a candidate rather than a “Obama-Clinton Democrat with DC Hollywood liberal money pouring into the state” he may have a better shot as simply the candidate, known for his proprietorial background running against the crazy embarrassing former judge.

      • boatboy_srq

        Crazy-embarrassing-former-judge was reelected to the bench after being thrown off it, and beat Strange in the primary despite Strange’s political support. AL GOTea voters are rabid. Jones needs all the help he can get.

        • Judas Peckerwood

          Yup.

  • bkmn

    We need to keep Roy talking and Doug Jones will win by the largest margin any Dem has won by in AL.

  • tristram

    Sorry for the cynicism, but “Isn’t it pretty to think so.”

  • Rex

    If Moore keeps spouting his ridiculous nonsense it could lose him support, or gain him support, he best just shut up from now until election day.

    • boatboy_srq

      And you just know he’ll do that.

      /s

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Great news, but if 2016 taught Americans anything, it’s that polls should be taken with a hefty grain of salt, especially when the Democrat is showing signs of gaining on a Rethuglican like Moore. Simply put, the only way to ensure Moore loses is for everyone who bitches, moans, complains, argues, etc. actually gets up off the couch and votes. That and only that, will make the change needed.

    • TrueWords

      I think many of these polls much like the 2016 election give people a false sense of reality and then complacency happens…which results to low voter turn out with the Democratic Party…

      Polls mean NOTHING…VOTING is the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!!!

  • stuckinthewoods

    In similarly good news, a new Quinnipiac poll on the VA governor’s race gives the Democrat a 53% to 39% lead. This is rather an outlier although polls have been generally favorable. http://bluevirginia.us/2017/10/and-now-for-some-completely-different-virginia-poll-results-northam-53-gillespie-39

    • boatboy_srq

      Considering the despicable Gillespee is the GOTea candidate, 39% support for that side of the aisle is surprisingly high.

    • Blake J Butler

      There was a poll released from monmouth that had the race at a deadlock, with gillespie ahead by 1, however though that sample was 400 likely voters, and the margin of error was 4.9 percent. Smallest samples almost always favor the contender, with it either tied or slightly up like monmouth’s did. Larger samples favor Northam.

      gillespie has never pulled above Northam until this poll, he is still fighting to the finish, going on the attack on gillespie, i feel it’s still puts Northam up by at least 3-4 points above gillespie.

      • stuckinthewoods

        Actually, Gillespie polled above Northam often early on but that recent Monmouth poll you mention has been the only one since June where Northam didn’t lead. So except for that one the direction is pleasing. If D voters just get out and vote we might even get rid of Bob Marshall.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_gubernatorial_election,_2017#Polling_3

        • Blake J Butler

          I meant passed the primary, prior to the primary, gillespie was pulling ahead of Northam, but when the candidates were official, he pulled through and until recently has gillespie had a poll where he was ahead.

          It’ll be close, I’m calling it that he wins in the 3 percent ballpark. He has the backing support of 91 percent of self-identified Democrats while gillespie has 85 percent support. Keep in mind Stewart hasn’t officially endorsed him since he came within a point of winning the nomination himself, and if turnout is true and united, Northam will win, along with a load of wins for Democrats down the ballot in Virginia.

          • stuckinthewoods

            Hope so. I hope we will still have a governor whose veto will protect us from the Assembly, that someday we have an Assembly that we don’t need protection from.
            I’m finding that hope was one of the major casualties in the last election.

      • agcons

        A margin of error of nearly 5% is absolutely ridiculous. I suppose the confidence interval was 18 times out of 20, too. Utterly useless, except as a way to assess Monmouth as a polling organisation.

  • matrem

    If Dems/independents don’t show up, it doesn’t matter. However, perhaps close polling will motivate non-republican turnout.

    • Jay George

      “In 1964, the 24th amendment abolished the poll tax, but to this day in Alabama, money keeps thousands of people away from the ballot box. According to the Sentencing Project, a Washington DC-based criminal justice reform non-profit, there are 286,266 disenfranchised felons in Alabama, or 7.62% of the state’s voting-age population.”
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/alabama-voting-poll-tax?CMP=share_btn_fb

      • Joseph Miceli

        I have yet to have had a reasonable argument presented to me as to why Felons must permanently have their right to vote taken away. Haven’t they done their time? This is a punishment even beyond prison. While I can see restrictions for sex offenders, even they should get a vote!

        • Reality.Bites

          Canada’s supreme court has ruled that prisoners can’t be deprived of the vote. The idea that former prisoners should be able to vote was never even questioned.

  • FAEN

    I don’t trust this poll-I don’t trust polls anymore. I’ll believe it when I see it.

    • Jay George

      I don’t trust polls too much and I seriously believe that voter tampering is a thing here. Can I prove it? No, but there have been so many questionable election results in the past that it’s what I’ve come to believe over many years.

  • Tatonka

    Not to be a Debby Downer here, but the last time I got my hopes up Montana elected a congressman who had just assaulted a newspaper reporter for asking an innocuous question at a campaign event. I don’t have much faith in our country as a whole, much less in Alabama.

    • Treant

      This. I’ll believe it when the numbers are certified and not before. Before that, a Republican poll counter still has time to “accidentally” “discover” thousands of “valid votes” for the “honest” Republican candidate. See Michigan.

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    • Steven B

      Don’t get your hopes up. It’s a Fox News poll.

      • Will Parkinson

        Well, as a Fox poll, it could mean Jones is up thirty points. 😉

        • Steven B

          That’s what I was thinking. If it’s Fox News then it’s likely to be biased for the GOP candidate.

          • MichaelJ

            Or they could be trying to scare Moore supporters into thinking it will be a close race and they’d better get out to vote for their man.

      • metrored

        According to FiveThirtyEight FoxNews polls are actually really good. We shouldn’t discount the possibility that Alabama might actually be sick of Roy Moore’s bullshit.

      • Rambie

        I said the same last night, I believe that this is a dog-whistle to tilt the vote.

    • metrored

      That’s politics though. As far as I’m aware everyone has been assuming that the Dem doesn’t have a shot in this race and has acted accordingly. This poll might be a game changer. At the very least, it’s a reason to fight the good fight one more time.

    • Gerry Fisher

      Yes. I would say that, unless events and polls begin to skew close to 10 points toward the Democrat, then it’s likely that Moore will win.

    • VodkaAndPolitics

      In a state that easily elected Mr. McPussyGrabber, I’m afraid Roy Moore is Red Meat.

    • EDinMCO

      Faux News has does this before. About 6-8 weeks out, they suddenly find the Dem challenger “surging” in the polls, creating a life-or-death panic in the GOP that (a) gets out the anti-Dem vote and (b) pads the GOP coffers (see, e.g. Jon Ossoff-GA, Rob Quist-MT, James Thompson-KS).

    • Matt Rogers

      The Republicans still have plenty of time to spew lies. And the media has plenty of time to report the lies uncritically.

  • bambinoitaliano

    I’m waiting for the fucking moron to weight in. You know, the usual Hillary crooked, Obama disaster term, NFL players kneeling during national anthem and tiki torch carriers are good people too spiel.

  • shellback

    Very nice, but there’s really only one type of pole I’m interested in these days.

  • Haha, wow.

    I hope he wins. I still expect Moore to win because the state’s backwards-assed and views being a dominionist gay-basher as a good thing… but if Jones wins, I might not stop giggling at the schaedenfreude for days.

    • Jay George

      Between voter suppression, gerrymandering, and just plain willful ignorance, I don’t have high hopes, but I will go and vote for the democratic candidate just the same and pray for a miracle.

      • Yeah. That’s my situation in Texas, as well. I have voted against Cruz every chance I get.

        • RMJ

          Me too :o)

        • Yes, although I actually LIKE Beto.

    • Lawerence Collins

      Until all big money is out of politics. It will be tough going to beat real GOP thugs, with establishment Democrats running as Republican lite. Jon Ossoff rings that bell https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d9cd0b78ff9e99ff61e9c1d5743ed8eb548260cedbc85a79fb86ce936c2ddd61.jpg

      • “Establishment democrats” “republican lite”

        Oh look another russian whore. I’m not interested in your services.

        • Treant

          Lawrence isn’t a Russian whore, he’s just an idiot. Block him and move on with your day, you’ll be happier.

          • Already done. I just felt like being a petty asshole and throwing an insult at him first.

          • Treant

            Been there, done that. Last night, in fact. 🙂

          • Reality.Bites

            That’s true. He was around long before the election campaign.

        • Lawerence Collins

          Honey, I’m an American whore!
          Don’t shoot the messenger, just because you can’t handle the facts.
          You’ve no argument, so you stoop to personal attacks. Are ya sure you’re not a GOP thug. They act like that.

  • Treant

    Eh, Al Abama. Close enough to cheat. Plus we have the standard effect where people who are voting for the dipstick won’t admit to it, so you can take some of the Unsure who really are sure and put them right in Moore’s column.

    But it’s gonna be a lot closer than usual.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    And somehow votes from Democratic majority cities will somehow be only 5% of registered voters. Machines will malfunction in these precincts and there will less of them than in red precincts. All sorts of ‘oops’ shoulder-shrug, ‘things happen’ nonexplanations will be given.

    In 2014 in Chicago, the election officials received robocalls saying they had to report for more training on the morning of election day. But these calls only went to workers within Chicago, which is heavily blue. These mysterious calls didn’t happen in red suburban districts. And after the election, no serious investigations or follow-up.

    Gerrymandering, election manipulation, scrubbing valid voters from the rolls, suppressing registration, these are the tool necessary for the Republicans to win and all of them will be in play in Alabama

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/11/04/malicious-robocalls-leave-chicago-short-of-election-judges/

    • Jay George

      That first paragraph. Every damn word of it.

  • Jay George

    OT and ICYMI :

    In case you missed Senator Al Franken rip apart Jeff Sessions lies, here's the clip. pic.twitter.com/jopVVIb6rx— Red T Raccoon (@RedTRaccoon) October 18, 2017

    • Joe in PA

      Thank you! I had to leave and only saw Feinstein and Leahy…this should be good.

      • Jay George

        The best part is how unhappy Sessions looks.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Al is one of the few members of Congress who I truly like and respect.

      • Jay George

        Me too. He seems like an actual decent human being.

    • shellback

      Al Franken would get my vote for any office he ran for. [hint] Especially President.

      • Jay George

        Absolutely and I so wish he would.

      • JCF

        He’s good enough and smart enough! ;-/

    • The_Wretched

      Sessions was very disgrunted by Frankin eviscerating him and had a 2 page rebuttal paper in hand and still didn’t manage to parry.

      • Jay George

        Because he’s damn guilty and everyone knows it. 😀

    • Gerry Fisher

      God, the patience it takes to go through that process and parse words/sentences like that…without losing one’s cool. I’m not up for that kind of work.

  • Ninja0980

    Jon Ossoff led in a few polls too… we saw how that worked out.

    • -M-

      No paper trail == No proof who won.
      Not to go conspiracy theory, but there’s little reason to assume the Republicans haven’t been rigging votes and increasing evidence that suggests they have.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    If there are other polls showing a similar result, I might send some money to his campaign. Sadly, I am not George Soros wealthy.

  • MDixon34

    “Unsure?” Really?

    • Karl Dubhe

      They’ll write in Bernie, or Jill Stein.

      • The_Wretched

        No, noone will.

    • boatboy_srq

      Herod isn’t on the ballot.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    DNC to the rescue.

  • worstcultever

    Wow, so reading this thread, we’re all just resigned to the bullshit winning forever. And despite my being the biggest pessimist on the planet, I must say it brings out my FUCK. THIS.

    Anyway I’ll repeat my dead-threaded comment from the earlier Roy Moore post

    Doug Jones can win this race, people.

    1 – It’s only October – election is in December. Moore has a bunch more weeks to embarrass himself way beyond even this, and shirley will.

    2- Moore is like Dumpy – cult of hardcore deplorable support with a big media megaphone. But grownups – even reliable puke voters – are getting sick of the clownshow. Will they bother to turn out for Moore?

    3 – Jones is campaigning his ass off all over the state, and impressively. The momentum right now is with Jones, not Moore.

    IT. COULD. HAPPEN.

    • Get out and vote. And get others to vote, too. Moore can be beaten. It’s not the most likely outcome, but it IS an outcome.

    • Cuberly Deux

      It’s not over till it’s over.

      The fact that Jones is making such a strong effort is awesome, taking this seriously is something we all should do. Not throw in the towel before the race is even run.

      • worstcultever

        Another point – EVERY SINGLE DAY that Dumpy is prez is EXHAUSTING TO EVERYONE. Ossoff was how many months ago?

        Also, all their suppression tricks and other bullshit can still be overwhelmed by MONSTROUS TURNOUT. Well, maybe, anyway. The point is, our side hasn’t really tried, has it? Never been sufficiently energized. I think/hope that could be about to change, bigtime, explosively, everywhere. If I’m wrong, oh well, we’re in hell anyway. But I could be right.

    • Sorry, but my pessimism at this point is overwhelming. But your point is well-taken.

    • Ernest Endevor

      You got me. I’ll chip in.

    • Joe in PA

      Thanks, but stop calling me Shirley.

      (sorry, I couldn’t resist) 🙂

    • Gerry Fisher

      Of course it could happen. I think that my “no need to get excited here” is more of a statement on “catching up and evening the race is not an indicator of success, necessarily…1) Let’s see another poll validate/vet this one, and 2) Let’s see if he can get the lead around or past 5 points.” We saw with Hillary, that a 2 to 3 point lead didn’t mean much. 5, 6, 7 points? Much better. 10+ points? He’s gonna win.

    • Pluto Animus

      Yes, it could happen.

      But this idea that Moore might ’embarrass himself’ seems silly, given what happened last year. So Moore might brag about sexually assaulting women, thus discrediting with the morally enlightened Republican Christians? Or he might insult a war hero, or the parents of a dead war hero?

      No, he is incapable of discrediting himself in their morally degenerate Republican eyes. But if the Democrats and Luther Strange supporters show up in force, this could be a very close race.

  • boatboy_srq

    Since this IS a Fauxnews poll, how likely is it to be a Reichwing GOTV ploy?

  • Tawreos

    This poll does not focus on registered or likely voters and should be taken with a grain of salt.

    • LeeCMH

      There is also the red neck factor.

      Hateful people who intend to vote for Moore tell the pollster they are voting otherwise because they do not want to publicly tell the pollster they are hateful racists.

      I saw this phenomenon in North Carolina with the election of Jesse Helms over Harvey Gantt. Gantt led the polls by around 8 points according to polls, but Helms won the election.

      • bambinoitaliano

        I thought the rednecks from that region have no issue of telling it like it is?

        • Tawreos

          On everything except the hate, they try to hide that.

        • LeeCMH

          Generally they do not, but they are sensitive to the label especially when it comes to the press.

    • The_Wretched

      Or Alabama’s voting machines.

      • Or Alabama’s already well-established anti-Dem voter suppression mechanisms.

  • David

    It’s Alabama. Terrorist Roy More will win by a landslide – regardless of how many people voted or the actual vote tallies of the election.

  • The_Wretched

    +1 Dem Senator would be huge! BUT…..Republicans “win” the electoral ties. The voting machines may need to mysteriously freeze for 4 hours in key democratically stronghold districts but freeze they will and magically the (R) wins by 0.5% more than that jurisdictions margin for a recount.

    • bambinoitaliano

      And there’s no telling Putin and his hackers are not continuing to influence the election outcome.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Yup

  • bambinoitaliano

    Is the poll suppose to manipulate the Alabamians into voting for the daddy-of-the-year Moore?

  • Hank

    26% of the population of the State is African American. What per cent of them will be ALLOWED to vote is a big question!!!

    • LeeCMH

      The proportion of African Americans allowed to vote will be as few as the hateful Christian good old boas can get away with.

  • Michael R

    This might be like Trump , people won’t admit they’re voting
    for this piece of shit then they go out and do it anyway .

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Fingers, toes and legs crossed. 🙂

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Putin, are you on this?

  • John Ruff

    Seeing scummy Moore lose would make my year.

    • Ken M

      Seeing a Dem take Session’s seat would make mine. Same thing I know, but I can imagine Session’s face when the Senate comes back into session, it’s not Moore taking his seat.

  • David

    Russia has already predetermined the outcome.

  • LeeCMH

    This is Alabama. Moore will win. Hatred will reign supreme.

  • This is FOX Newschannel baldly trying to motivate its viewer base to come out to vote for Moore by creating fear in their hearts that he might lose if they don;t vote.

    • worstcultever

      Happily for Jones, it has the effect of energizing HIS (Jones’s) potential voters. Thanks, FOX!

    • LeeCMH

      I think it is safe to assume Faux News has ulterior motives with anything they publish.

    • ian

      ^^^^^this exactly.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/920657831845617664
    For those who think elections don’t matter, keep in mind even if this guy is denied a judgeship, there are others like him who think the same things but don’t say them out loud or dress up their bigotry.
    I

    • RoFaWh

      I physically pushed a JW off my front porch this morning. He was surprised that when he said (after a little questioning) he was a JW, he hit a vein of pure unadulterated anger. Pointed out to him that I’d told them years ago to never darken my doorstep again and that he was in consequence trespassing.

      Well, not exactly push; he didn’t fall, but he did beat a very hasty exit with a little assistance in case he didn’t understand “get the hell off my property right now!”

      I wonder if their “records” of non-members are registered with the privacy commissioner…hmmm.

      I am not nice to proselytizers.

  • Tiger Quinn

    After the election I don’t think I’d believe a poll if it told me water wet and tomorrow was Thursday.

    • joe ho

      Why? The polls said HRC would win the popular vote by about 1-3%. She did.

      538 gave her a 70% chance of winning the EC. 50% is a coin toss.

      The Comey letter–which shifted a critical number of independents to Trump at the last moment– occurred too late to be reflected in the swing state EC forecasts.

      This isn’t the time to become a math and science denier like the GOP.

  • Sam

    I hate to be a sour puss but don’t get your hopes up on this poll for three reasons.

    1.) Fox News polled registered voters instead of likely voters, which can affect the results of this poll.

    2.) This is only one poll so it is a possible outlier.

    3.) Special elections are difficult to poll in general so polls can be unreliable.

    • worstcultever

      Guess I’m just thinking this is a referendum on Dumpy and Dumpyism, and the luster is off, the tv show is tiresome to all but the cultists anymore.

      Yes, even in Alabama. LOTS of actual humans live there.

      And yes, god knows, fuck all polls forever. Unless they help people get excited and motivated about defeating the likes of Roy Fucking Moore.

  • joe ho

    Liberals are too lazy and complacent to turn out in large numbers unless they’re in love. This election won’t be sexy enough to get them out.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Hope Jones tarts it up, then.

  • LeeCMH

    I assume the hateful Christian preachers in Alabama are already obliquely supporting Moore. While they are not allowed to electioneer with their tax free status, they use good old boa coded speech.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      They openly electioneer, and nothing ever happens to them.

      When was the last time a church ever had its tax-exempt status lifted?

  • Paula

    I think we should have a constitutional amendment naming Alabama as the official joke state.

    • Ken M

      It’s already named after a bird, but not for the bird. Bit of a joke already.

    • RoFaWh

      Personally, I’d rather see the dead states (Kansas. Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, etc) dissolved as political entities and have their governor and legislature appointed by DC.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Merge them all into one state, which will cut down on their unwarranted representation in the Senate and Electoral College

  • LovesIrony

    hm, only 42% of alabamans despise the 1st Amendment, I’m surprised.

  • Henry Auvil

    ThinkProgress sez the poll is highly suspect. It’s from Fox, so they’re likely just trying to gin up their click count among AOL users in Southern trailer parks. https://thinkprogress.org/fox-alabama-senate-poll-problem-db809af85837/

  • Ken M

    Moore will keep lying, and if Jones accuses him of it, Moore wins. He basically needs to keep pumping himself and ignore Moore, unless Moore tarts to make personal attacks on him that he can clearly prove as false. The 11% is central so Moore’s lies shouldn’t direct them in earning his vote.

  • Thorn Spike

    Send in Jimmy Carter and the UN to monitor the election.

  • Michael White

    This poll was not limited to voters, or potential voters so the sample is unusually large, but is not very valid. what does one expect from fox?

  • JCF
  • RLK2

    Got to the get the urban, minorities, young people, and progressive voters out in a massive way. Cannot let this evil into the Senate.

  • Whoever wins this seat will hold it until the 2020 elections. If Doug Jones pulls off a huge upset, that (a) will make it SIGNIFICANTLY harder for Republicans to advance their most odious agenda items, and (b) will make it slightly more possible for Democrats to take control of the Senate in 2018. It’s an uphill climb with Democrats defending more than double the seats that Republicans are, and a chunk in states that Trump won. But if midterm momentum shifts enough to the party not in the White House, as it usually does, and to a big degree, Democrats could take control if they successfully defend their seats and pick off the two reasonably vulnerable Republicans. But only if they miraculously get this seat as well.

  • Texndoc

    I saw if you dig deeper into the poll for other questions asked you have to believe as many are opposed to Trump as support him and the same but worse for Jeff Sessions. In other words they oversampled what is probably not representative of Alabama. Mitch got spanked in the primaries and he wanted a poll that….

  • Talisman

    Oh, it’d be so delicious if a democrat actually won in AL.

    I’m not holding my breath against the hope that it’ll actually happen. But still…

  • BeaverTales

    Let’s hope certain Democrats who think screaming nasty names at other Democrats and Independents won’t turn people off to showing up at the polls this year. Voter intimidation and threats from Rethugs is to be expected, but when it comes from your own party it will have the opposite effect that you are planning.

  • juanjo54

    One can only wonder how Donnie Douchebag will feel if Roy Moore gets the boot out the door. First he endorses the guy running against Moore who for Alabama, could be called a moderate. Moore who is so far to the right that Attila the Hun and Hitler have both stated he goes a little too far, wins. Then Trumple Thinskin endorses Moore. If Moore loses, The Orange Howler Monkey is going to be a lot less popular in Republican circles.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      He can’t become unpopular in repub circles until after they get their beloved tax cuts. Then they’re free to turn on him.

  • coram nobis

    Rather unfortunate headline, given the urinary usurper we have in the White House.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      “Urinary usurper.”
      I wish I had your way with words.

  • Rick Hammond

    Sure Jan. Sure.

  • MUELLER KNOWS

    Ain’t happening. Moore will win “because Jeebus”.