NEW YORK CITY: Bullied Gay Teenager Charged With Stabbing Classmate To Death Tells His Side Of The Story

Andy Humm reports at Gay City News:

Abel Cedeno, 18, the bullied gay teen charged with killing one classmate, Matthew McCree, 15, and wounding another, Ariane Laboy, 16, with a knife spoke to Gay City News from Rikers Island on Sunday, recounting the incident, the anti-gay bullying that preceded it for years, and the way it intensified on September 27 inside his history class at the Bronx’s Urban Assembly School for Wildlife Conservation in front of two teachers and a class full of students.

While most press reports say that Cedeno was just being pelted with pencils before the stabbing, Abel said he was defending himself from repeated punches from McCree, who saw that Cedeno had a knife. “I was trying to get him off me,” Cedeno said, explaining he knew his tormentors to have gang connections and that many of the students at the school carry weapons — “knives and, in some cases, guns,” he said. “I was afraid for my life.”

Social media users who say they are part of the 800YM gang have claimed McCree as a member in online postings and have threatened Cedeno’s family and friends. While there were many witnesses to what happened, there is concern that they will be afraid to testify in Cedeno’s defense for fear of retaliation.

There’s much, much more to the story at the link. My initial report on the stabbing, including local news clips, is here.

  • Tomcat

    Hell a ex cop in Florida killed a man after he threw popcorn at him. And these guys think pencils were alright to throw at him?

    • another_steve

      Are you suggesting it’s okay to kill someone who throws pencils at you, Tom?

      • Goodboy

        Throwing pencils was just part of the assault.

        • another_steve

          A jury will decide whether he acted in self-defense. Juries decide such things hundreds of times every day, all across America.

          Being bullied is a horrible thing and the school here should be called to account for why it was allowed to go on for so long. But being bullied is not, per se, good cause for murdering someone.

          • MonochromeMouse

            Killing in self defense is not murder.

          • another_steve

            Killing in genuine self-defense – the genuine felt-sense that your existence or the existence of someone around you is in jeopardy – is the way of nature. All living things kill other living things when they sense their existences are in peril.

            I have no problem whatsoever in humans killing other humans when there’s a genuine felt-sense of the imminent death of innocents.

          • bambinoitaliano

            With human it’s not always the case. The psychological build up of the abused varies individually. There is no quantifiable time line as to how and when one who are constantly being abuse will snap.

          • Goodboy

            I”m thinking of the battered wife syndrome here.

          • another_steve

            True.

            Killing someone because you’re mentally or emotionally ill deserves a different response from society, compared with killing someone purely out of anger or hate or total disregard for human life.

          • MonochromeMouse

            And what the article describes is clearly genuine self defense.

          • cleos_mom

            But as you can see, the belief that bullies are poor pathetic souls dies hard.

            People love a victim, especially one that doesn’t hit back.

      • Daveed_WOW

        As they say in Florida, stand your ground.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Read Andy Humm’s article again.

  • pj

    it should be self defense. hope he has a good lawyer to make that case.

    • bkmn

      I would love to hear from the teachers that watched this go down and find out what lead up to it.

      • Goodboy

        In a perfect world they’d be the ones being charged.

  • another_steve

    If he did it in self-defense, he’s innocent.

    If not, he’s guilty.

  • bkmn

    So no metal detectors at that school – why?

  • Goodboy

    If you’ve seen the pics of the guys that attacked him it’s entirely possible. Sorry but if there ever was a look. Compare that to this small framed kid and anyone would fear for their life.

    • Steve Teeter

      The report says Cedeno’s assailant, the kid who got killed, knew Cedeno had a knife but kept coming anyway. If someone knows I’m armed and attacks me anyway, thinking “He means to kill me” is perfectly reasonable.

  • Highmoremotel

    And nothing will be done about bullying. Par for the course.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      FLOTUS is totally on it.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Maybe she could be shame into getting the leprechaun at the DOJ to make another faux gesture. But when you said on it. it most likely mean she is sitting on that fucking moron tiny limp dick.

      • MBear

        LOLOLOLOLOL

    • Treant

      Well, duh, clearly we need to crack down on knives in school. That’ll stop this bullying!

      • Tomcat

        Sarcasm?

  • AC

    can’t move beyond crying

  • VodkaAndPolitics

    Does anybody know if this young man has a Legal Defense Fund we can contribute to? The torturing of LGBTQ students needs to end in this country.

    • JoeMyGod

      The linked report describes his legal team.

    • Cuberly Deux

      “…he has the support of his family, two veteran gay attorneys who have signed on to defend him, and his local state senator, Ruben Diaz., Sr., who, despite a long record of opposing LGBTQ rights, believes Cedeno is not getting a fair shake.”

      The article does go into that…..and DIAZ? Wut?

      • GanymedeRenard

        It might – just might, I’m merely speculating here – have to do with this teen’s being Latino.

        • Adam King

          He thinks he can get Jesus to “save” the kid.

          • GanymedeRenard

            Through conversion “therapy”, no question.

          • Adam King

            Or just in-your-face prayer, “laying on of hands” and constant unrelenting social harassment.

          • bambinoitaliano

            I will save you from jail but you must be gay no more after.

          • cleos_mom

            In some circles, the version would be that God sent the bully to “get his [the kid’s] attention.”

        • Cuberly Deux

          Sounds plausible to me.

  • JWC

    When I went to school pocket knives weren’t even allowed

    • Tomcat

      When I went to school we whittled on woodduring recess.

      • Sam_Handwich

        When i went to school we only carried knives to spread mayo and mustard.

        • jerry

          Was it the Cutlery-Culinary School?

        • Treant

          When I went to school, I had to knap my own knives from the flint we would find down at the riverbank.

          • Ken M

            added some blood I see

          • greenmanTN

            When I went to school they had a zero-tolerance policy against cutting remarks. I still have to go to detention every afternoon.

          • MT YVR

            When I went to school it was a clearing in the woods and the teacher didn’t have a name. Also their species is extinct.

            But I learned a lot about marking my territory.

          • Treant

            Strangely, I’m now at half-mast.

        • AmeriCanadian

          You know, I truly do not remember using plastic knives, forks, and spoons in grade school. I think we used real (i.e. metal) flatware and had to turn them in at the end of lunch with our lunch tray.

      • Daveed_WOW

        I can’t even begin to tell you how many weapons and other dangerous objects were freely carried around in my school. It was the Seventies. They were just glad we weren’t terrorists.

    • Jack

      They’re still not allowed.

  • Ninja0980

    Crap like this is why we have to pay attention to school boards like the religious reich have.
    Not only are they a stepping stone to higher office but they are often the place of last resort for LGBT youth to turn to.
    If they are stacked with Roy Moore/Michelle Bachmann types, the bullying of LGBT youth will be allowed to continue and teachers who stood by and did nothing like in this case will continue to go unpunished.

  • pj

    we should all write letters to him to let him know we are out there and care what happens to him. he might have been killed. he needs our support right now.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      From the linked article:

      Attorney Lynn hopes that community members will write to his client in jail. Letters must be addressed: Abel Cedeno, #2411705842, George Motchan Detention Center (GMDC), 15-15 Hazen Street, East Elmhurst, NY 11370. The envelope must have that and a return address on it but nothing additional.

  • JWC

    That is also a tad mystifying as to why teachers stood by and did nothing. If the other little fucks were gang members why weren’t they kicked out of school. If the teachers were terrified get the cops in there. Why did this tragedy have to go so far

    • ultragreen

      A lack of leadership and action on the part of school administrators and teachers is the reason this kind of stuff spirals out of control.

      • JWC

        I will side with the teachers a tad .They are there to teach which sometimes is a tuff job, not to settle gang violence . The Administrators, if they have a criminal element in their schools then deal with it on an administrative level don’t leave it to teacher and students

        • ultragreen

          Perhaps. I’m inclined to think that both school administrators and teachers should receive more training on how to handle bullies.

        • Ken M

          Cuomo addressed this right after the election last year. I’m not huge fan of him, but this actually is good. http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Cuomo-calls-for-schools-to-crack-down-on-hate-10623924.php

        • Daveed_WOW

          Disruptive students should be expelled.

          • Ken M

            And what do they do then?

          • JWC

            Aclassroom is never going to be one size fit all but certain parameters have to be set and accepted and followed. If your being at school, is to bully , sell drugs or some other antisocial manner then you obviously have not accepted these parameters and do not belong

          • McSwagg

            Yes, they should be, but too many discipline incidents downgrades a school’s rating in most accountability systems, so administrators have an incentive to cover up and turn a blind eye to these problems. That just encourages the miscreants and undermines the teachers. The teachers really are in a no win situation. Further, teachers that report too many student discipline issues to the administration are tagged as incompetent in classroom management and targeted for removal. It’s a totally messed up system with upside down incentives.

    • MBear

      the teachers support bullying

      • JWC

        then again administration should deal with that

        • ultragreen

          Administrators are often worse than the teachers on this issue, however.

          • JWC

            I can only point out the problem I can’t solve it

          • MBear

            The problem is systemic. You can point at one thing…and then the next. The solution is justice for LGBT people and our youth but that will not happen in our lifetimes

          • JWC

            I would hope education would be of some help

      • AmeriCanadian

        Some actively participate in the bullying. When I was in the fourth grade, the teacher joined the rest of the class in mocking me because the elastic in my socks was worn and they would not stay pulled up. She called me “socks” along with the rest of the class. Lovely, n’est-ce pas?

        • Daveed_WOW

          I had a teacher like that. I never stopped hating her.

          • Treant

            Haven’t we all? When my fourth grade teacher passed, I said to my mother, “I really should go to the funeral.”

            She gave me an odd look; we all hated that woman.

            I continued, “I want to make sure the fucking c* is dead.”

            That was the first and last time my mother heard that word come out of my mouth, but even she agreed it was appropriate.

        • MBear

          Id share a host of anecdotes of a similar nature, but it’s just more the same. It never changes. The systems are based in oppression and run by the bullies. There will be no justice in our lifetimes

          • AmeriCanadian

            I agree with you but I will say that what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger. I was suicidal when I was 19 or 20. It forced my mother to confront me and start the whole coming out process which ended up being much better than I ever imagined it could be. I grew up in the era of Anita Bryant and my parents openly agreed with her views. Whenever gay pride events were shown on the news, my whole family would make the most vile remarks. So I figured I was a complete reject. Never mind my school life, which had been traumatic in and of itself.

            My avatar pic is me at the age of 21. It’s the first photo I have of myself showing genuine happiness. Before then I never smiled and always looked sullen and depressed. Things can get better and for me, they certainly did. I’ll never forget those early years and they definitely left scars but I survived and am a survivor.

          • romanhans

            I went to Loyola High, a Catholic high school, in Los Angeles, and we all picked out quotes to be printed in the yearbook. Mine was “I don’t expect to be happy. I just don’t want to be unhappy.”

            And not one school employee cared enough to ask me about it.

            But I left school and home at age 15 and was astonished to find that people were smart and funny and loving and I’ve been happy ever since.

            Congrats, fellow survivors! 🥂

          • cleos_mom

            “What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger” pretty much sums up the approach of many parents and teachers to bullying. Then when the kid gets strong enough to retaliate, here come the farts and burps of outrage. Most of them directed at the kid who hit back.

          • AmeriCanadian

            I agree with you. As I’ve witnessed, there’s usually no one on your side during and after a run-in with a bully. Short of placing video cameras that cover every square foot of public space and then holding those that are “in charge” responsible when an encounter occurs, I’m not sure how this can be solved. The anti-bullying campaigns are great in theory but I doubt they carry any weight or meaning to the bullies and those that enable them. Not only is the world not fair, it’s fairly mean.

    • Daveed_WOW

      When I was a boy (curmudgeon alert), misbehaving kids were dragged out of the classroom by their ears. Sometimes punched in the chest. Sometimes kicked. Verbally abused. Parents usually said “had it comin'”

      Same parents and teachers, however, treated the VICTIMS of bullying the same way.

      • Statistics Palin

        Sounds like the American South

        • Daveed_WOW

          Midwest. I’m half hillbilly. As is most everyone here. We call our hollars “trailers”.

          • Statistics Palin

            I am half Scots Irish Okie. My father was an abusive, self-righteous fuck who hated gays. My mother and I were both relieved when he died three years ago. I was 4 when he threatened to throw me away. It sounds like you had it worse than I did.

          • McSwagg

            Mine drove me to the bus station and ordered me out of the car at age 3. The daily beatings began not long after. But we both survived so we win.

    • cleos_mom

      When I was dealing with bullies, standing by and doing nothing was the standard MO.

      Maybe the teachers figured the bullies just needed a little understanding and lovingkindness.

    • EastCoastJ

      Teachers in NYC ghettos just give up.

      • JWC

        I suppose Unfortunately No support

  • ultragreen

    I have little sympathy for bullies. People who start that kind of trouble are going to get back more than they bargained for eventually.

    • MBear

      No. No they dont. Most of them end up living happy lives and never feel an ounce of regret

      • Treant

        Well, one of mine is unhappily married to the girl he knocked up right after high school. He’s been in and out of jail.

        Most of them have average lives. But if you’ve seen average, it’s not that great. Honestly, my Great Secret from all the bullies I’ve had is that I’m actually happy at home. And loved.

        • Talisman

          One of my bullies is now superintendent of the county schools. He was one of those that mostly went along with the other boys, and we *almost* even because friends because we were assigned seats next to one other in a later class.

      • cleos_mom

        And the supply of people making excuses for them never runs out.

        As Emily Latella said about ‘endangered animal feces’, “how could we ever run out of that stuff?”

  • Treant

    So the teachers did nothing, his peers did nothing, and yeah, I do believe he was in danger of a severe beating at the very minimum.

    Why are we not giving him a medal for removing a piece of shit from this planet and telling the dead gang member’s peers, “Sit down, shut up, and stop the fucking threats or this will be you.”

    (I think my avatar’s attitude is leaking into me).

    • AmeriCanadian

      It is an interesting avatar to say the least. Most fitting in the current political climate too.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Your new avatar is threatening, ugly, and violent, Treant (imo); quite a remove from your prior beauteous floral number! What’s up with that?

      • Treant

        Hallowe’en! The two weeks of werewolves, ghosts, zombies, and ghouls before I have to hear two solid fucking months of Christmas carols.

  • Do Something Nice

    Maybe we also need a ‘me too’ campaign, but call it something else to not take away from the ‘me too’ campaign.

    I was bullied.

    • NZArtist

      So was I. Constantly. I was beaten up more than once at the good Catholic school I attended.
      I was called a faggot and a homo before I even knew what those terms meant (or that I was one).

      • Todd20036

        What was the reason they gave?

      • Karl Dubhe

        Same, my parents pulled me out of the Edmonton Catholic School system after I started talking about suicide.

        • Statistics Palin

          my mother and brother were suicidal. My father thought it was a joke. My brother almost killed me when he tried to shoot himself. I just tried to blend into the woodwork

      • Phillip in L.A.

        And yet, NZArtist, even after you were subjected to all of those horrors, you are one of the few folks here who does not seem to be extolling the virtues of violence! 🙂

        (Now we see the violence inherent in the system.)

        https://youtu.be/uxu7xLp4pnY

      • Statistics Palin

        Me, too. I was twelve when i started attending a Catholic all boys school. I’ve had cancer three times and had third degree burns with gallons of boiling water. Catholic school was worse.

    • Gigi

      Me too.

    • edrex

      i think the “it gets better” campaign aims to to that, somewhat.

    • Todd Allis

      Me too.

    • Talisman

      I was fairly lucky. I was not bullied in elementary school, but the bulling did start when I was in 5th or 6th grade, when it became obvious that I had no athletic ability whatsoever. It came to a head in the 7th grade, with a few overt violent acts towards me. There were no repercussions for the bullies. By the end of the 9th grade, the bullying had stopped. Most of the bullies tended to fail the 9th grade, and that ended our daily interactions. Most of the other boys had obviously been just going with the flow, and with the instigators gone they no longer had any taste for bullying, or were too busy with their own interests (namely sports), and I had my own interests (not to mention working nearly a full-time job from the time I was 16).

      • MusicBear88

        I was lucky in that I was always big enough to not be bullied by many
        because I looked like I could probably take care of myself. Like
        NZArtist, I was called all sorts of gay slurs, the meaning of which I
        didn’t know, and I doubt that those saying them really knew what they
        meant either. At that age, I didn’t even know what “gay” meant apart
        from “happy.”

        In seventh grade, a boy decided to target me. Not
        in awful ways, but certainly irritating ones, and I was definitely not
        the only one he picked on. But in the spring, he baited me and I had
        clearly had enough. We were coming out of the locker room for gym class
        and he said to me, in front of several witnesses: “Gimme a kiss.”

        “What?”
        “You heard me. Kiss me.”
        “Oh, you want a kiss? Then you’ll have to get closer.”

        “Look at this everyone, ___ is finally gonna kiss me.”

        “Yeah, you want a kiss from me? I’ll give you a kiss…” -POW-

        I
        do not believe in violence, but I have to say that the instant in which
        my fist connected with his face was a very powerful one. One of the
        bigger, stronger kids in the class went over and sat on him once he was
        down so he couldn’t get back up again, and then the teacher yells “Go to
        the office!” I shrugged, muttered something about it being fair, I
        supposed, and he said “No, not you, him. He was asking for it. As for
        you, you get an A!”

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Why didn’t you just kiss him? Perhaps I’m missing something, but what I get from your story is that violence is to be rewarded….

          • Bad Tom

            No.
            Sometimes you have to stand up to a bully.
            That is strength, not violence.

          • MusicBear88

            With twenty-five years since the experience, you’re absolutely right. But back then I did not have the wit nor self-awareness to kiss him. In college, when a friend said that I was too uptight to kiss him, I proved him wrong by doing exactly that, but being 13 is being 13.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    If a bully dies in the commission of bullying, so be it. Sorry, I just can’t feign concern or sorrow for the loss of some irrelevant piece of shit.

    • NZArtist

      Except that lots of people are bullies because they’ve been bullied at home by their parents. Or for a thousand other reasons. Hell they may have been egged on by their peers, or by their president. Who knows.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I understand that’s very much a possibility, but my limit for understanding and compassion where bullies is concerned has run its course. I just don’t care why they do it, I just want them gone.

        • NZArtist

          Try dropping cluster bombs on them from afar. It saves having to understand the problems and working through them.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            No no, never cluster bombs, that can cause collateral damage…a sniper will do just fine.

          • Treant

            Naw, you give them a choice of futures, just like NZArtist said.

            You put a glass of concentrated lye water in front of them and tell them they have two choices. They drink that, or they deal with me.

            Me? I’m holding a castrating knife.

          • EastCoastJ

            racist

          • Treant

            Fuckwad who lacks reading skills.

          • EastCoastJ

            oh…no..

          • EastCoastJ

            You’re sounding rather…racist, Canada.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Yes, because “Bully” is a race…seriously, can you trolls have the decency to be, at the very least, more erudite? Is that really too much to ask?

          • EastCoastJ

            Because in this case the culprits are black. And that school is a rough black and Puerto Rican one. You being in coddled Canada (and that’s to Canada’s credit) should realize you’re not….in Canada with this.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Again, “bully” is not a race. You’re conflating and, more to the point, inflating. Seriously dear, adults are having a conversation and you’re interrupting. Hush now, be a good insignificant creature and go sit in the corner. Toodles.

          • EastCoastJ

            Get it. Got it ? Good. Is that erudite enough for you ?

      • Goodboy

        I imagine religion played a part here. I’ll bet all you have to do is interview the dad for the answers. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f05c25fcf3f595a20a68e2ab73492ce2e5520c4cdc511c060af6948cf2075d8.jpg

      • Princess Lardass

        Remember Brock Turner, that Standford swimmer who raped a fellow student who was passed out drunk? His father complained about his being punished for “twenty minutes of pleasure.” He referred to his son’s raping of another human being as “twenty minutes of pleasure.” I think it almost always starts at home.

        • NZArtist

          Yeah, but it’s way bigger than that.
          The election of Trump has emboldened much of the darker undertones of US culture to come forward. Any news article that makes some positive statement about a gay person, trans person, or person of colour is immediately bombarded with hundreds of racist, mysogynist, homophobic, transphobic comments.
          Those elements have always been there, but the election of Trump has brought it out more.
          The USA needs a fundamental shift in its culture. Everything that enabled Donald Trump to be even *considered*, let alone elected, for the position of leader needs to be purged.
          The gun shit? That’s just part of the whole fucked-up bag of fucked-up-ness. The metal-detectors in schools? That’s a symptom, not a solution.
          What would you propose if you looked at reports coming in from, say, middle-eastern countries of people being knifed in schools, Nazis marching openly in the streets, mass shootings, foreign interference in elections, propaganda news networks, corrupt billionaire businessmen buying politicians…
          What would you say about those countries?

          • And it happened on election night. White douchebags on my campus were harassing non-white students (especially international students) ON election night. It hasn’t been that bad (at least not that much at one time) but it’s still going on. People used to scoff when I told them what a lot of white people are really like. Too many big city people live in a liberal or at least moderate to liberal bubble. They had no idea. These people always wanted to act this way and Trump basically told them they could get away with it. And they are.

          • EastCoastJ

            Ghetto thugs, like in this Bronx case, have been actively homophobic long before Trump was elected

          • EastCoastJ

            African-American thugs, like in this Bronx case, have been actively homophobic long before Trump was elected.

          • NZArtist

            Okay, so you do have a problem with overt racism. You’re part of the problem.

      • Daveed_WOW

        you break the cycle by throwing the book at the bullies. they can make their own choices from that point. the rest of us deserve protection from them.

        • Adam King

          I had an English teacher who used to literally throw books at kids who were talking in class. We thought it was great. Nobody ever got hurt since his aim wasn’t that good.

          • PickyPecker

            Our Jr. High band instructor used to hurl his director’s baton at us. Didn’t really hurt; most of us giggled; but got our attention.

          • Oh, Parker

            We had a choir instructor who, angry at some kids talking, smacked a wooden baton so hard on a lectern that it broke in half and the half that snapped off nearly put a girl’s eye out. All we heard was he got “talked to” by the administration.

          • TexasBoy

            That baton likely wasn’t sharpened to a fine point like a pencil.

          • Adam King

            That was exactly our reaction.

          • Lars Littlefield

            In 6th grade we received the sting of a fast rubber eraser when our teacher was pissed at us. He had excellent aim and a big box of erasers. He was a lousy instructor, (as most return mormon missionaries are who major in Education at BYU), He was eventually fired for picking up a hyper active kid and hanging him from a coat hook.The student slipped and the hook caught the kid where his neck met his skull, The student recovered, but our 6th grade teacher was promptly fired. I often wonder whatever happened to Mr. Chipman after that school year. 🙂

          • Matt Henley

            Mine did that a few times..

          • justmeeeee

            Sister Mary Teresita could be writing on the board and when a kid talked she would whip around and chuck an eraser at him with total accuracy and without even looking first to see where he was.

          • Talisman

            A manager where I work threw a stapler at one of her employees. The employee took the manager to HR and the manager got her (the manager’s) ass fired.

        • NZArtist

          No.

          The cycle is broken by mentoring, compassion, and education of the bullies.

          Punishment *increases* the likelihood of recidivism.
          ====
          Author Emily Bazelon argues against the criminalization of bullying behavior in
          her book, Sticks and Stones: Defeating the
          Culture of Bullying and Rediscovering the Power of Character and Empathy.
          Instead, Bazelon supports sanctions that do not shame, particularly in light of
          what reviewer Michael Greene points
          out, that “the attribution of bullying as the exclusive or primary cause of
          suicide is simply wrong and dangerous.”

          • Daveed_WOW

            The first job is safety. You separate the criminals from the rest of us.

        • NZArtist

          This “punishment and revenge” attitude is part of the culture that promotes the bullying in the first place, and is also deeply part of the US culture that contributes to bullying, mysogyny, homophobia, transphobia, and bigotry in general.
          The USA has an “us against them” culture of otherism that leads to bigotry and harrassment.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Exactly right, NZArtist! There was something bothering me as I read through some of these posts, but I wasn’t sure what it was. When I came to yours, I nodded and suddenly understood it all; thank you!

          • Daveed_WOW

            I didn’t say revenge. Separation. That’s what needs to be done. They can find their own way to their humanity.

      • Tom Furgas

        I’ve never subscribed to the idea that the poor bullies need to be understood and helped. That they were themselves bullied and are only naturally passing it along to others. What bullshit. I’ve been bullied all my life and I NEVER had the slightest urge to engage in it AS A RESULT of the bullying. Or for any other reason. Bullying is bullshit bastard idiot behavior, and the only thing to understand is that the bully is a menace and needs to be eradicated from society.

        • NZArtist

          So was I, and yet I have compassion for the people who bullied me because I know some of the background of their families.
          You’re right – bullies do need to be eradicated from society. And the *only* way to do that is to change society so bullying isn’t the only way for disempowered people to feel empowered, and to mentor, educate and empower the people who bully.

        • cleos_mom

          Bullies are not poor misunderstood souls who are desperate for a friend. Some people never get further than “stop doing that or I’ll whup you upside the head.”. But the idea gives adults an excuse to blame the victim: he just wasn’t understanding or helpful enough. If the victim was female, maybe there was an occasion when she didn’t smile on command.

      • Grumpy Old Man

        Bullies are bullies because they are bullies – every choice they make is a choice they make. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f29047f43a202ccd51543a05726955e047fb29af9d68c876b07d13700dd17d9f.gif

    • MBear

      The bullies run the school system, the justice departments, the governments, etc.

    • bambinoitaliano

      For every bullied kid that fought back, there are thousands who could not and some actually got murdered while others committed suicide. So yeah, no fucks to give of one dead bully.

    • Benji

      I have to agree, there is a lot of conflict here that resulted in a death, and.that should play into the trial. The circumstances of gang affiliation should weigh in on the charge and sentence, perhaps manslaughter.

  • Tomcat

    How long until Duels are legal again. I say 1827.

    • Tomcat

      P.S. we are going backwards.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        Thank you for the explanation. I figured I had lost a few more brain cells.

        • Tomcat

          Sorry, I thought it was obvious trump is taking us back to the GOOD OLD DAYS of the ROBBER BARONS.

    • EastCoastJ

      Now they’re called “Drive-Bys”. Ask anybody in Detroit.

  • Ken M

    Unfortunately the bullying laws in NY are only in regard to cyberbullying.

  • Do Something Nice

    That Gay City News article is an example of great reporting. Both families should sue the school. Teachers should have stopped the bullying. Metal detectors should have caught the knife.

  • madknits

    “Just” throwing pencils at him.
    Where the fuck were the teachers?

    • Kate

      I know. I was shot with a makeshift crossbow one of my classmates had built in their shop class. Neither the teacher in the class we shared nor the fellow who oversaw the shop seemed the least bit concerned about his activity.

      • madknits

        I shake my head in disgust. What the fuck? I endured my share of being bullied, but I was never shot at. Lucky, I guess, or maybe it was a different generation. I’m glad you’re still with us.

        • Kate

          Thankfully it was an astonishingly bad design, so the projectile was flipping end over end when it hit. It stung like mad but didn’t actually do any lasting damage. If anything, it woke me up to how cruel and thoughtless people can be.

  • Gigi

    This could have been me. I was bullied when I was a kid by a big, nasty piece of work I’ll call BG. He waited for me every day after school and he’d follow me home, tripping me and pushing me and calling me a faggot. Many times I fell into the street. Once I was hit by an oncoming car. I told my teachers and the principal, but no one did anything. I told my dad he told me to “toughen up.” My mom asked me to go to the store for a carton of milk. One day after school I saw BG waiting for me at bottom of of a flight of stairs, smirking. I snapped. I flung myself into the air and flew down the stairs. BG was blindsided. I knocked the wind out of him when my body hit his. Before he could recover I grabbed his head in my hands and smashed it on the concrete floor, over and over again. Kids were screaming. Someone pulled me off of BG, a teacher I think. He wasn’t moving. There was a lot of blood. Someone took me to the principal’s office. When the principal saw me, he turned white. I was crying and telling him how I couldn’t take it anymore. He held me. He was shaking and apologized for not listening to me. An ambulance came and took BG to hospital. He was fine, but I was traumatized. I could have killed him. His parents talked about suing, but the principal and eyewitnesses said BG has been tormenting me, so they decided against it. BG never bothered me again after that day. No one did. Most kids avoided me, which I was okay with. (Sorry for the length of the post. This poor young man’s story brought it all back.)

    • AmeriCanadian

      Never apologize. I wish I had the guts to do what you did. I realize it was in a fit of rage but nevertheless…

      • Gigi

        I wasn’t proud of what I did. I thought I’d killed him. This happened in grade 4, and I was ostracized for many years. But I was a loner and a bookworm (and gay), so it worked for me. Don’t be so hard on yourself. I could have killed him.

        • Statistics Palin

          School was a prison yard since you were 9? How horrible! I hope BF turns out to be gay and abandons the parents that turned him into a fucking monster by abusing him.

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    • Phillip in L.A.

      Thank you, Gigi, for having the courage to fight back, and also the courage to write up and post your story!

      • Gigi

        Don’t thank me. I did what I did because I snapped. I told my story today because I thought my JMG family would understand. You are my family. Thanks for the love.

    • Ogre Magi

      YOU ARE AWESOME!

      • Gigi

        I’m me. Thank you for the love.

        • Ogre Magi

          THAT MAKES YOU EVEN MORE AWESOME!

    • Bad Tom

      I’m glad you did that. You had the guts I did not have.
      Thank you.

      • Gigi

        I didn’t have guts. I snapped. It could have ended up with me in jail. Thankfully, it didn’t. You’re an amazing person. Don’t ever forget that.

        • Bad Tom

          Thank you.
          We need to tell each other that more.

          • Gigi

            It’s greatly appreciated, BT. Sending you a big hug!

    • TrueWords

      Thank you for your message…

      Bullying is the driving catalyst of the movie Moonlight:

      https://filmvibes.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tumblr_oc0007vjrx1qzk1p5o4_r1_540.gif?w=1140

      • Gigi

        I 💓 that movie so much.

      • Oh, Parker

        Brilliant film. I cheered when he let the guy have it with the chair, something I still somewhat regret not doing.

    • narutomania

      It always fills me with deep sadness and churns my insides to learn of yet another horror story like yours, Gigi. I am very sorry to hear that you had to go through such trauma.

      I can relate, although I never suffered to the degree you did.

      I hope that you know you were blameless. It’s one thing to hear from others that you were blameless, and even to say the words yourself, but another thing to know that you were truly blameless.

      Love + Peace to you

      • Gigi

        I’m not crying. Someone is cutting onions. (Thank you!)

    • Grumpy Old Man

      My tormentor from high school left a message on my phone asking if I was coming to the 50th reunion and if I would donate; by the time he got to the end of his spiel, I think he realized who he was talking to and started to stutter but, like a trooper, made it to the end. I kept the recording for months, thinking of all the possible responses – then I deleted it. I do not wish that he get bone cancer and die a slow painful death, but I would not grieve.

    • cleos_mom

      I had a similar experience at age 9; had enough and punched the bully in the face and “knocked him down”. Quotation marks because I suspect he lost his balance out of sheer surprise. He never bothered me again.

      Never even considered telling my parents. Since the teacher consistently looked the other way I figured this was an area where adults would never help.

      • Gigi

        I’m sorry this happened to you. Adults need to do more when it comes to bullying. It’s not enough to think that kids will just work it out themselves.

        • cleos_mom

          Yes; and back then it wasn’t so likely that kids would find a parent’s gun and ‘work it out’ that way. But despite adult complacency, the protestations of shock when something like this happens are as inevitable as turds in a cesspool.

    • DesertSun59

      Your story should have been told a long time ago. In vivid detail. The GOP today is made up of those people. They deserve a good beating.

    • BurningTongues

      I had a very similar experience, but I was older. I lost it one day and went into a blind rage and ended up beating the crap out of one of my tormentors. I completely blacked out and had no memory of doing it, but woke up with my knuckles cut up and the bully crying and bleeding. This happened just outside of school and he never reported it (he’d have had to admit to having his ass kicked by a “fag”) but everyone knew what happened and mostly left me alone after that.

  • Oh, Parker

    This could easily have been me. There are people I went to high school with who are alive or at least not seriously disfigured today solely because I had a high threshold for pain and was thinking beyond high school. There were some days it took every ounce of self-control not to rip the nearest fire extinguisher off the wall and…well, you get the picture. I completely get where this kid was coming from.

    • Treant

      Ditto. The one time I did fight back, I had a teacher there instantly.

      I was…not in a halcyon mood. “This you fucking see?” is what came out of my mouth. “Back the fuck off and go back to not doing your job.”

  • Tomcat

    Let a kindergartner boy kiss a little girl and he gets expelled but hey it’s quite alright to bully kids if you are in a click.

  • TexasBoy

    “While most press reports say that Cedeno was just being pelted with pencils before the stabbing…”

    Seriously, they see nothing wrong with that?

    • Treant

      Seriously. They see nothing wrong with that…and have no idea how that treatment, repeated every day, can build up to the intolerable when everybody around you radiantly doesn’t give a shit and/or supports the bullies.

  • JT

    The irony here is staggering. Physical violence, even murder, against gay people has been justified or extenuated over the years by the “gay panic” defense. But a gay person, after much abuse, in fear for his life, is depicted as the criminal offender in a case like this, and the abuse against him is minimized.

  • canoebum

    The important question now is, can his lawyers successfully argue self-defense and prevent this young man from going to prison for the next 25 years?

    • Silver Badger

      We can only hope.

  • Lars Littlefield

    My heart goes out to this kid. He stabbed and killed another person. So what? i’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision to carry a knife to protect himself. I was attacked by a pair of juvenile delinquents in high school; the Johnson twins. Luckily, my parents were smart enough to sue their parents and actually win for damages to pay for medical costs and the repair to my teeth which they had broken when they slugged me. I ended up leaving high school and was sort of slipped quietly into college. That took care of the bullying problem. And good thing, too. Had I not been able to escape I most likely would have taken my hunting rifle and killed those twin assholes. Karma is a real thing. One of the twins was convicted of armed robbery before he could graduate and died in prison a few years later. His brother died from an asthma attack the following summer. Thank you powers of the universe. I am forever grateful. 🙂

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I’m glad your parents listened to you and acted on your behalf.

      • Lars Littlefield

        It was a watershed moment. I suddenly became the adult and they became the children. I had to be very careful not to blow it by abusing my sudden power.

  • Tom Furgas

    As a victim of bullying I was often tempted to get a knife or gun and do away with the problem. I am glad I didn’t, but only because it would have got me prison time and a lot of grief throughout life. But I have read more than a few obituaries with a great deal of pleasure.

  • Ogre Magi

    Damn, this makes me sad

  • Jay Mills

    i admit to wanting revenge on my tormentors, it’s a natural human emotion. Those who are tormentors need to realize that not everyone has the wherewithal to resist those urges. I remember a case years ago of a gay couple who were publicly humiliated by employees in a bank in Oklahoma. They proceeded through the drive through and blew the MFs away. I’ve often wondered what happened to them, it they ever made it out of prison. The difference in this case is that he was acting in self-defense and hopefully the jury will take that into consideration.

  • chris` magna

    I feel horrible for this kid. I’m sure he will have to endure more abuse and bullying at Rikers. Whenever he does get out, I hope he can start his life all over again somewhere far away from the Bronx.

    • McSwagg

      Hopefully, Rikers, like many urban jails, has a gay wing or cell block. That would afford him some degree of protection.

  • RaygunsGoZap

    Two memories from high school, both from the week after it was revealed I had been sexually assualted by a male teacher:

    – after school, at my locker: this girl – what we called thugs in the mid 80s, meaning a violent wasteoid – bigger and meaner than me was the next in a long line of tormentors. I was in my locker and she was on the other side of the door calling me a faggot and for the very first time in my life i felt this calm rage settle over me and I quietly closed the door, turned her direction and took a step toward her AND SHE TRIPPED OVER HERSELF TRYING TO GET AWAY. Got up and ran away. I never said anything but I learned since that when the point of violence has been reached, it is apparently written all over my face. I’ve never seen it myself but I hear it is chilling.

    – sitting down in French class and there’s insults against me on the chalkboard and the room is tittering: in comes our French teacher, a Frenchwoman who was part of the Resistance as a teen. She walks to her desk, passes the chalkboard on her way, pivots back to the door which she locks. As she is erasing the chalkboard, she launched into a first calm and then when she turned to the class she went FULLY RIGHTEOUS AND DISGUSTED. I remember her calling whoever wrote that an idiot and a coward that she would expel permanently if she could.

    • McSwagg

      That apparition of rage you speak of is real. I’ve been able to channel mine several times in my adult life when I’ve been confronted by a miscreant that meant me harm. Just like you described, the aggressor backed away each time with fear clearly visible in his eyes. It also makes me see red whenever I see or hear of anyone that I personally know being bullied. It is definitely a righteous rage. On a more subtle level, it acts as a kind of radar allowing me to pickup on signs of manipulative or abusive behavior long before I can objectively and consciously articulate it. It has never been wrong.

  • MarkBuster

    is there a legal defense fund for this young brother? I feel for him.

  • SoCalVet

    Just one of us on the jury and it would ruin their case.

    • Statistics Palin

      I am sure jury selection will screen out us gays.

  • leastyebejudged

    Some great teachers they have there.

  • Statistics Palin

    It astounds me that they’re aren’t dozens of these stories.

  • Pluto Animus

    I abhor violence, but this kid is my hero.

  • cleos_mom

    While most press reports say that Cedeno was just being pelted with pencils before the stabbing

    What the Sam motherfucking hill is with this determination of adults to put aside one area — bullying — as a “safe space” for insults, hurled objects, humiliation and and physical violence. Bet this kid’s head was “only” dunked in an unflushed toilet too on more than one occasion.

  • BartmanLA

    In all the reporting I’ve seen over this incident, NO WHERE has there been any admission or confirmation that the suspect is actually GAY. He was bullied and taunted in school for being perceived as being GAY. In all the news reports there has been no one in his family or the subject himself saying he’s actually a Gay individual. Please don’t automatically assume he is with out any proof, JMG this is bad reporting on your part. I expect better of you.

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  • CJAS

    Yeah, it’s okay, I never believed the ‘his bully only threw pencils’ narrative in the first place.