Trump Accuser Subpoenas Campaign For Documents On Other Women Who Made Sexual Assault Claims

Buzzfeed reports:

A high-stakes legal showdown is brewing for President Donald Trump, as a woman who said he groped her has subpoenaed all documents from his campaign pertaining to “any woman alleging that Donald J. Trump touched her inappropriately.”

The previously unreported subpoena was issued in March but entered into the court file last month. The White House did not respond to a request for comment, nor did Trump’s attorney.

Summer Zervos, a former contestant on the Trump’s reality TV show The Apprentice, accused Trump of kissing and grabbing her when she went to his bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel in 2007 to discuss a possible job at the Trump Organization. After Zervos made the accusation last October, just weeks before the election, Trump denied her accusation and called it a lie.

She responded by suing him for defamation. As part of that suit, her lawyers served a subpoena on his campaign, asking that it preserve all documents it had about her.

  • PickyPecker
    • JT

      Was that part of his address to “values voters”?

      • Paula

        No, because the “Value Voters” are only concerned about Gay sex.

        • TampaDink

          And abortions…..which is why they are all too willing to allow this national nightmare/international crisis of an administration to go full term.

          • William

            How many abortions has Trump paid for?

          • Bj Lincoln

            That is a good question!

          • xzargo

            None. He leaves the woman holding the bag after he promises he will pay.

          • TampaDink

            I would love for that information to come to the attention of the press. Of course, he’s got his brain dead “base” so brainwashed that they will scream “fake news” in unison every time it is mentioned.

          • LatrinaDiBucca

            Persistent rumors a year ago that there were at least 3 with ‘confidential’ settlement documents. Allegedly.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Unlees they decide their mistresses need an abortion.

          • TampaDink

            Well of course, there are exceptions to be made and if the “values voters” can persuade a Constitutional amendment that will reverse Roe v. Wade & make all abortion illegal, the monied class will be able to ship their problematic situation to another country.

          • robindaybird

            As they had prior, Mexico and the Caribbean were tourist spots for the rich partly because they could easily find someone to perform an abortion there.

          • Snarkaholic

            They’ll just have a private doctor do it…and call it a D&C.

          • (((GC)))

            And Supreme Court justices. One down, up to eight to go….

        • J Ascher
      • J Ascher

        The values that come from the same source as their “alternative facts!”

    • Christopher

      He really is a disgusting excuse for a carbon-based lifeform.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        He’s a disgusting excuse for any lifeform. I still get over the absolute idiots that voted for this utter schmuck.

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    • Halou

      I remember watching this one live, was completely dumbfounded by it.

      https://pics.me.me/you-know-what-uranium-is-right-its-this-thing-called-18781472.png

      • bkmn

        And the longest case of untreated syphilis in recent times.

        • Snarkaholic

          The Madness of King Gorge.

    • FAEN
  • bkmn
    • Kruhn

      Hey Porgs are cute, lovable creatures that live on Ach-To and should in no way be associated with The Orange Menace

  • greenmanTN
    • JCF

      The only thing better—if she were holding a pair of hedge-clippers.

      • PeedeResistance

        For dRUMPf? Overkill. Toenail scissors would do it.

        • JCF

          Heh, I wondered if anyone was going to say that (I was thinking of the length of the handles, not the size of the blades! Quite right re the latter)

  • Lars Littlefield

    “Vote for Summer!”

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Well now, this is a nice turn of events. Go Get’em Ladies!!!

  • CanuckDon

    To see Donald Trump destroyed by a woman would be the ultimate satisfaction.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XElGDuCUUd4

    • Joe in PA

      Sniff, why couldn’t it have been Hillary? Dang.

      [sad face]

  • Halou

    Make America Grope Again.

  • Max_1
  • billbear1961

    NOW is the time, because of Weinstein, to bring all of these accusations front and center again–to bring the Defiler to JUSTICE, to liberate the Republic from his tyrannical SABOTAGE.

  • billbear1961

    Hound the evil bastard–the predator–till he collapses!

  • Bluto
    • bzrd

      watch out, pizza rat will get you

      • Snarkaholic

        Still a better love story than Twilight.

  • Max_1
  • Wynter Marie Starr

    Ech. Besides all his other shortcomings, the thought that he forced himself on women makes me ill. (And I have no doubt that it happened multiple times.) Even more than he already makes me ill.

    • Halou

      The only times he has touched pussy is when he has paid for a woman to let him do it (his wives, essentially monogamous prostitutes), or when he has forced the act. Never has he had a genuine relationship with a woman.

      • safari

        I’m fairly confident he is one of those men that just hates women.

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          Oh, I don’t think he hates them: they have their uses after all. He just has no respect for women and would be happy if all women were flatheaded (to hold beer or wine) and had their mouths and other orifices always open and ready.

          • Lizard

            Yeah, I agree. He’d probably say, “I don’t hate women! I love women!” However, he doesn’t want women to have any sexual agency whatsoever. I bet any woman who says no to him is automatically a “fat whore loser.”

          • William

            Daddy taught Donald that all women are maids or whores.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Whatever, that just means they both suck wide.

          • Duh-David

            Auto-Correct: “maids and whores”

          • William

            Maids are women Trump doesn’t think are hot.

          • boatboy_srq

            I’d go further than no respect. Lord Dampnut doesn’t seem to recognize basic humanity in anyone not related by blood or marriage – or possibly massive cash infusion into his businesses. Everyone else is “extra”, “scenery” or “local color”, so to speak. That’s why Harvey and Irma made an impression (Tillerson no doubt reminded him that Texas was important, and he has property in Florida) where Maria hasn’t really registered on his consciousness yet beyond the negative press.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            You’re right. He doesn’t recognize other humans as such.

          • David Walker

            Does anyone know if he’s said/twitted anything by the fires/ loss of life in California. He lost California bigly, so he may not care to be aware there are humans involved. Mayor Cruz ruined all his fun in Puerto Rico by showing the lack of response and the only thing he could do was run away when he realized he was shaking her hand. California isn’t a red state and is probably omitted from his glorious electoral college map. Yes, I do think he is THAT petty.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Yup, he sure is that petty, David. He uses people up and then throws them away when he no longer has a use for them. I’ve rarely seen a player on the world stage with such a broken moral compass. Even Hitler loved Eva. Donnie loves Donnie. Everyone else can go straight to hell if they don’t serve a purpose. And after that purpose is done, then they can go to hell.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I completely agree. Only a sex worker or a woman without two brain cells to rub together would allow this utter moronic asshole to touch them. He’s vile in every sense of the word. I don’t give a crap how much money he claims to have, he’s vomit inducing.

        • David L. Caster

          Trump is vomit, regurgitated by a sick system.

      • doninkansas

        “monogamous prostitutes” you sure about the monogamous part?

        • David Walker

          Unless you pay for a double header or party or some such, yeah.

    • Joe in PA

      I hope the use of the word “shortcomings” was deliberate. 🙂

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Oh, yes, very deliberate.

        • (((GC)))

          With at least two disparaging references that shouldn’t be any of our business about a stranger, but he is a known sexual assaulter (and bragged about it!)…

          Brava!

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I’m sure he views himself as suave, good looking, manly, and a welcome presence in their lives. He no longer has enough green to cover his ugly to the bone personality.

  • justmeeeee

    What’s Gloria Allred doing there? I didn’t see any ambulances!

  • safari

    In the future: “My hands are bigly tiny to grab. Many people are saying it. I say it all the time.”

    • greenmanTN

      Fake Melania Trump on Colbert, asked about slapping Donald’s hand away in Israel: “That is fake news, Stephen! His hands are so small I thought it was mosquito.”

  • Lazycrockett

    In other news Billy Bush asked me if I wanted to “Super size” my order today.

  • j.martindale

    This is exactly what Bill Clinton did. (Except that the woman didn’t agree to it, and that tRump admitted he assaulted other women against their wills–including married women–on other occasions, and that what tRump did was illegal.) The Rethugs will RUE THE DAY they got the Conservative Supreme Court to permit Civil actions and depositions against a sitting President. If this isn’t fucking poetic justice for the way they hounded Clinton, nothing is!

  • billbear1961
    • Statistics Palin

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    • PickyPecker
      • billbear1961

        Hello, sweetie! XO

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        • PickyPecker

          My nose and glasses costume. Halloween is right around the corner! XO

          • billbear1961

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  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Sean Spicer is probably on the list.

  • Max_1
  • safari

    O/T: Think of the mindset that produced these words
    https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/919573834705104896

    • Max_1

      So they ARE talking about dropping bombs…

    • AJ Drew

      Yeah, I read that this morning and had an involuntary gasp and head-shake, truly hoping it was actually “fake news” but, alas…

    • Halou

      Then what is the point of it if military action is already planned for?

    • Treant

      “We’ll keep talking until the bomb we smuggled into the city goes off.”

  • Lizard

    Remember back when Ivanka went overseas and got booed for claiming that Daddy Dearest is just soooo pro-woman?

    It couldn’t be clearer that he sees women as sex objects that he’s entitled to, and it’s time for that to bite him in the ass. (Hopefully not literally; I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.)

    • Joe in PA

      Hell, he see his own daughter as a “sex object”.

      [[[shudders]]]

  • another_steve

    Glad to see this.

    One of the tragedies of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, one of the terrible miscalculations, was the failure to make Trump’s sexual predatory behavior front and center. It should have been highlighted at each and every campaign rally. Cable news should have been full of the story, right up to election day.

    Done properly, it could have turned more female voters away from the predator. It could have made a difference in the outcome of the election.

    She coulda been a contender. 🙁

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/28197e55cec2bdef5b85fa5606997a2219fd702d3ca2eb394da75e7b9bfec0da.jpg

    • Halou

      I have my doubts about that. The Hollywood Access tape didn’t stop him and that received incredible coverage, relatively speaking, from the media.

      • another_steve

        Not throughout the campaign. In the final weeks, it was virtually forgotten.

      • j.martindale

        Misogynists don’t worry about assaults on women. And they don’t vote for women.

        • Daveed_WOW

          ^This. His supporters literally didn’t care about that. They believe that harassment is a myth created by women to hurt men. For real.

      • Lazycrockett

        Also you must remember that right after the tape came out Russia began its email scandal that with Drumpfs help just kept on drowning out all else.

        • Lazycrockett

          and then Comey came along and blew all hope up.

    • Blake J Butler

      Front and center ?

      how could she, the times she talked about policy, his flaws, and why she was better suited for office, etc.

      More coverage and time was spent on her motherfucking emails for a year and a half every week. That’s all that they wanted to pay attention to. They wouldn’t have listened to her talk about that.

    • safari

      I nominate young Marlon Brando to be one of our first android models.

    • Lizard

      “Cable news should have been full of the story, right up to election day.”

      Yeah, if only they’d spent more airtime talking about that than they did giving Drumpf the kind of advertising that money can’t buy by running his speeches unedited and without fact-checking.

      I’ll defend MSM against Drumpf’s “fake news” attacks, but I’m still pissed at how they treated both candidates last year.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      The problem is that then she’d have to constantly have to face questions about Bill. And frankly, the fundajelicals don’t give a shit about women and got their women not to give a shit about themselves by telling them, “Support and submit to your menfolk completely and all the goodness will trickle down on you. Now vote Dump!”

      • safari

        I see you’ve met my cousin and her husband.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Ugghh. What I hate is that those women also try to force other women to live under the sames rules they self-imposed on themselves. Talk about spreading the misery.

      • another_steve

        I’m talking here about otherwise sane women (not fundie lunatics) who voted for Trump. A remarkable and inexplicable 42% of female voters voted for a man who admitted on tape to repeated sexual harassment of women.

        Something went terribly wrong with the Clinton campaign, for that to have happened.

        • Blake J Butler

          Your going to have to ask the question, working class or college educated women. Working class white women voted for trump, college educated white women narrowly voted for Hillary, that still leaves 45 percent of college educated women that voted for baby huey.

          They wanted their tax cut, they thought they were exempt from republican policies because of their education or income level. Also the fact that some women are less likely to vote for female candidates because they don’t find them qualified or good enough for office.

          And throw in comey and his bullshit with his finger on the scale and you still have fucking stupid women that pulled the lever for baby huey, if things had gone differently at least one of those demographics may have been stronger in her favor.

          But we’ll never know because of protest votes, people stayed home, independents and liberal minded voters that didn’t like her, voted for a putin puppet, or a putin whore with her green party latte liberal bullshit.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            That’s a big thing with GOP voters. They never think any of the horrendous crap will EVER affect them then are totally shocked out of their empty gourds that it does.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I think that you need to take into account the racial makeup of the women voters who voted for Dump. Minority women were strongly anti-Dump. White women on the other hand voted for Dump with only college graduates & advanced degrees breaking the pattern. Also single women tend to vote more Dem than married women.

          Racial privilege and women putting their male spouses’ welfare above their own (which is moronic as fuck since 1/2 of marriages end in divorce) also played a part in this debacle.

        • TampaDink

          “Something went terribly wrong with the Clinton campaign, for that to have happened.”
          Perhaps it had something to do with collusion with Russia to elect the least fit candidate who was running against the best qualified candidate in the history of the U.S..

    • bkmn

      Unfortunately cable news runs whatever stories the GOP tells them to run with.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Also notice that they always invite Tony Perkins instead of any of the less batshit religious figures.

        • Bj Lincoln

          Thing is he is not qualified to talk about anything but they take his word on it.

  • billbear1961
  • j.martindale

    If she lodges a suit, they can subpoena all those tapes of the Apprentice where the producers said the orange shitgibbon made horrible racist comments. The SOB opened a big can of ugly orange worms (maggots) with his assaults on women. This ought to be very interesting!

    • bkmn

      I have been seeing more people use this term to describe the maggots – MAGAts

      • m_lp_ql_m

        Reminds me too much of “morans.”

        • (((GC)))

          …who – in reference to the “what’s Sessions up to?” story – prefer their “libety” over “tranny”.

    • Dubito et cogitare

      And the beauty of this is, the Republicans opened this can of worms when they went after Clinton for a consensual blow job.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Only if the Dems point them out and makes a big deal out of them. Otherwise they will blow it off like every other horrible thing he has done. When everyone else is losing their job and going to court, he will still be King and no one can touch him.

        • JWC

          the Dems are “too cap in hand, to apologetic” The GOP is just “Fuck off”

  • j.martindale

    She might want to ask him about his use of prostitutes, and whether he has a golden showers fetish.

    • boatboy_srq

      Might be interesting to subpoena additional documentation on how many women Lord Dampnut has paid for, er, “personal services”.

  • JWC

    Oh and we all know those documents were all shredded

    • ByronK

      Right after Trump spunked on them.

    • TampaDink

      But they didn’t shred or destroy multiple incidences where he said highly inappropriate things while knowingly being taped and/recorded. Not just the “grab em by the pussy” tape….but countless others….including many of his live call ins or on air interviews on the Howard Stern radio show.

      • JWC

        Its a real sense of poetic justice when this new edition of the “Teflon Don” has so many things in his past just waiting to come and bite his ass hard

        • TampaDink

          I like this analogy, especially since the original “Teflon Don”, John Gotti eventually was prosecuted & imprisonment. I wish nothing less….except a speedier period from arrest to sentencing for this latest Teflon Don.

          • JWC

            And methinks died there (added as an additional joyous note)

          • TampaDink

            Yes….he did indeed die in prison of cancer….after only serving 10 yrs. of a life sentence.

          • JWC

            The similarities did not end with the name Teflon Don. Both he and Trump craved the spotlight, Both basically flaunted their actions to public view and scrutiny, mocking it openly. Both were ruthless in getting their way or what they wanted I do not find it unreasonable to go for the fourth similarity

          • TampaDink

            So true….but somehow, the living Teflon don has managed to live 10 yrs. longer than Gotti without a single day of jail time… yet.

          • JWC

            Oh “Tick Tock”

          • TampaDink

            I hope that Margaret Hamilton’s line, “but it’ll soon be over now!” turns out to be prophetic for our current international nightmare.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD4zl6Y4Xf8

  • bkmn

    Unfortunately I have a feeling the only records the campaign maintained on Trump touching women look something like this… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75b1ab33c9f618aa5a61933e320706d5ca048fee7cff30b15306fba75370838e.jpg

    • AJ Drew

      Hmm, from what little we know of his fiscal abilities, not sure I’d trust that counting method, either.

    • M Jackson

      It requires him to count to five, a very iffy situation.

  • Statistics Palin
  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Some federalist society plant….um, i mean judge….with dismiss this case

  • Natty Enquirer

    Kissing and grabbing, or, as Donald would call it, “the interview.”

  • boatboy_srq

    She was asking for it standing there on that tRump property like that.

    /s

  • safari
    • boatboy_srq

      Oh loverly.

    • AJ Drew

      They all laughed when I stocked up on pens and notebooks for the looming Y2K event, but, hey, I still have those pens and notebooks, a roll of “Forever” stamps, and I know how to write cursive. HA! /s (maybe /s)

      • Lazycrockett

        Speaking of cursive, my nephew who was home schooled, eye roll, basically created his own cursive style. Its very flowery but takes bout 5 minutes to figure out what he’s writing.

        • AJ Drew

          Studies have suggested that people with bad handwriting (MDs, for example,) are so thought-oriented that their writing lags behind the speed of their thoughts. So, well… I’m sure your nephew has a great personality.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        They don’t even teach cursive handwriting in public schools in Los Angeles any more. My niece can only write her name using large capital letters.

        • Joe in PA

          I’m pretty sure that is happening nationwide. Hey, as long as their thumbs can type 80WPM…they don’t care. :()

          • Lars Littlefield

            I suffer from an odd thing that prevents me from being able to draw or print or write in cursive. I can approximate it, but it looks horrible. And that pisses me off, because I’d love to sketch and paint.

            After being constantly criticized from Kindergarten through the end of 6th grade and made to feel less than human because my hand writing wasn’t suitable, a smart junior high school counselor put me in a summer school typing class. Voila! Suddenly I was cranking out epic Greek poems, dense novels of the enlightened era, and the great American novel in 7th grade. Some of us just don’t have the eye/hand coordination to write well with a pen or pencil.

            However, the idea of no longer teaching spelling in elementary, middle, and high school is the worst idea any educator could possibly propose. That way lies the fall of civilization!

          • Joe in PA

            Thanks for the happy ending story, that’s great.

        • AmeriCanadian

          It’s the same in Ontario too. Very sad.

          • Karl Dubhe

            No, it’s not.

            I’m dysgraphic. I remember the torture I went thru because I couldn’t ever draw the pretty lines on a page.

            I still get assholes at work asking me why I can’t write “properly”. It’s a fucking miracle that I’ve never been jailed for assaulting any of them.

          • AmeriCanadian

            “No, it’s not”. Are you referring to the teaching of cursive handwriting in Ontario TODAY? Because I live next to neighbors with children who are in grade school and the parents have told me that their children do not have to learn how to spell, how to write cursively, nor multiplication tables…all things that were taught when I was in grade school. I’ve even seen their homework. It’s very different than what I grew up with.

          • Karl Dubhe

            I was very happy to hear that the teaching of cursive was in decline. Has been for a long time too.

            Spelling is important, math tables are too. Making pretty handwriting isn’t. Especially since I do not have the physical ability to write legibly. I cannot even trace a line on a page without fucking that up.

            I’ve been discriminated against more often for my handwriting than I have for being gay. And in more unpleasant terms too.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Karl, I’m sorry that you were discriminated against for your handwriting. But I will argue that knowing, at the very least, how to read cursive handwriting is still a viable skill. I think I can generalize and state that most original writings in the early 20th century and before were in cursive. To read any of these works in printed block form relies on the transcription and possibly translation of another. Some things just don’t always transcribe well, like the original notes of our greatest contributors to society (da Vinci comes to mind because he drew a lot of “strange” drawings in his notes).

          • Lizard

            Didn’t da Vinci write notes in backwards script? I never learned how to read backwards in school.

            Besides, there’s a huge difference between being taught how to read an alphabet and how to write it. It’s not so different from a foreign language in that respect, where it’s much easier to read words than speak them.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Serious question. When you read, do you not actually say the word as you read (in your head, not out loud)? I do, both with English and French. And if it’s a word I have never seen before, I at least try to sound it out before moving on to the next word (better yet I try to look it up, which is so easy today with Smartphones and Kindles).

          • safari

            …what do they do all day?

          • AmeriCanadian

            The homework I saw had to do with number lines, the concept of fractions (not actual fractions mind you), and pattern matching. I’m sure they are learning but, in my opinion, it’s turned away from the classics that are never out of place in the real world.

        • houstonray

          Think about this….the son of one of my coworkers got a “letter” from his grandmother. Written in cursive of course. HE COULD NOT READ IT! His mother (she’s 36) had to read it to him. He has never been taught cursive and he’s 10 years old. Not sure what this implies for our future, I guess once all of us “old farts” pass on, and everyone writes in all block caps, it won’t matter.

          Sigh….

          • safari

            I mean, the Romans did.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Did what? Write in block letter? That was chiefly for inscriptions. (Cf., Egyptian hieroglyphs (same)).

          • cleos_mom

            Too eddikashun-y.

            Spelling out things should be done with baby blocks or alphabet soup, like God intended.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Next best thing to book burning…don’t teach the populace how to read something that was in widespread use in the past. I suppose sooner or later, there won’t be a need for any of those pesky printed books…everything will be digitized and more easily censored.

          • Lizard

            Except that books are written in print, not cursive.

          • AmeriCanadian

            OMG. I give up. Have you ever actually looked at the original United States Constitution?

          • Lizard

            Yes, I have. It’s written in cursive. Do you know the reasons cursive script was taught? Writing speed was only part of it. The other part was how fragile quill pens were. They broke so easily that it was bad for them to be constantly picked up and set back down like they would be in block printing, so the fewer pickups, the better. Cursive was good for that.

            We don’t use quills anymore, and if we really valued writing speed, we would be teaching journalistic shorthand instead of cursive, because those alphabets were designed to be written as quickly as possible.

          • (((GC)))

            Slightly parallel: a Chinese-American friend decries the simplification of the Chinese writing system in the ’40s and ’50s, which makes a vast cultural heritage inaccessible to young people who don’t know the traditional characters.

          • Rob NYNY

            This has happened before. Viet Nam and Turkey switched from their traditional alphabets to the roman alphabet in the 20th Century, thereby making centuries of documents unreadable by average people. The cursive handwriting taught in German schools for the first half of the 20th Century (Suetterlinschrift) is completely unreadable by modern Germans.

        • Lizard

          I honestly don’t see why this is a bad thing. I fucking hated cursive in school. I learned it, but I hated it. All of my assignments had to be written in it, which meant hours of painstaking work to transcribe my natural print into cursive. It was a complete waste of my time, and I can’t help but think that instead of doing that, I could have been mastering arithmetic or fractions or other basic math I actually do use every day. I haven’t written in cursive since the day I turned in my last fifth-grade writing assignment.

          I have a feeling this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I genuinely don’t understand what’s so amazing about cursive. If someone can write quickly and legibly, who cares if the letters are joined up or not?

          • AJ Drew

            Sure, one can live a full life without knowing any other language, and cursive applies that way, I suppose, but it’s still surprising how quickly it died as a common communication ability.

          • Lars Littlefield

            In the USA it’s a matter of time and money. Current thought is that it’s more important to concentrate on how to use the new tools of the 21st Century; computers, keyboards, and pads. And with the advent of Common Core, school districts are all about saving money. They ain’t got no time to waste time or money on learning how to write “pretty.”

            However, students who type their notes tend to transcribe lessons and to process lessons only on a shallow level. Students who take notes by hand actually digest the content and reframe it in their own words—a process that increases both understanding and recall.China places a great emphasis on using all new technology to teach and learn. Yet, Chinese education also understands the value of taking a brush, ink, and paper to methodically draw ideograms so as to expand abstract thiought.

            Something to think about.

          • Lizard

            But what about cursive is any better than printing in taking notes by hand? Is there any research into whether or not it makes a difference?

            Cursive has only one advantage in the modern world considering we don’t tend to use quills anymore, and that’s that it’s faster than print. I would argue that this is still highly individual–I, for one, never wrote more quickly in cursive than print. But if it’s speed we’re after, why not teach a shorthand alphabet? Those were designed specifically to be written as quickly as possible.

          • Dazzer

            If you think reading someone else’s cursive handwriting is difficult, you should try reading shorthand.

            I learned basic shorthand when I was younger and then adapted it to a form of my own for when I was interviewing someone.

            Even though a journalist’s shorthand notes are still legally accepted in courts, there’s a real problem in finding anyone who is expert enough to decipher shorthand.

            Effectively, shorthand is not a means of communication between two or more people – rather it’s a way of recording information quickly for yourself.

          • Lizard

            “Rather it’s a way of recording information quickly for yourself.”

            But I find that this is the most common argument in favor of cursive, in that it’s fast. (Again, highly individual.) But why would people need to write very quickly? Pretty much all I can come up with is for transcribing the spoken word, and I don’t see why anyone but you needs to be able to read it for that.

          • Dazzer

            It depends on your job and the levels of communication you need.

            For example:
            During the 2012 Olympic Games I was volunteering with the Olympic Press News Service. The objective (frequently realised) was to get the interview with an athlete coming off the field of play, write it up in house style, have it edited in that office, send it off to be edited in a central office and then placed on a newswire.

            If you know how newswire journalism works, this is an impressive process.

            When I was interviewing, I used my own shorthand to get the words from the athletes and would then type out the story for my editor and email it to him/her.

            If there were obvious changes, the editor would just make them and send the piece on its way.

            But if there was a bigger problem with the copy, editors (including myself) would print out the article and write notes about what needed clarification in the margins and give it back to the writer. It was a far faster process than exchanging emails to get corrections.

            You were dealing with a process in which every second counted and understandable communication was vital.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Don’t over think it dear. Enjoy what life you have left. Maybe plant some roses. Make new friends. Adopt a shelter pet. And if anyone tries to force you to write in cursive, you can call me and we’ll talk. ($4.94 for the first 3 minutes, local taxes may apply.) 😉

          • AJ Drew

            I agree! I’m not a Luddite (hey, I’m typing this at my desk and what I type is magically appearing instantly for you and others to read, or not…,) but yes, I think there is value in knowing hand-written language as well.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            “Students who take notes by hand actually digest the content and reframe it in their own words—a process that increases both understanding and recall.”

            Yes!

          • cleos_mom

            I discovered in college several decades back that taking notes by hand and then typing them up is the one of the best study approaches going.

          • LatrinaDiBucca

            Total Myth: “.. students who type their notes tend to transcribe lessons and to process lessons only on a shallow level. Students who take notes by hand actually digest the content and reframe it in their own words—a process that increases both understanding and recall.”

            Doesn’t even make sense. How much information do slow(er) writers miss altogether? How much gets garbled? If you grew up taking notes by hand, you learned to process information that way, well and good. But if you grew up with more advanced technology, then you learned to process and absorb information THAT way.

            Yes, probably difficult for older generations to transition from stenography to actual information creation. My parents still laugh at themselves about how difficult it was to break the habit of composing correspondence in long hand, and then entering it into the big electronic print rendering machines called ‘word pro-cess-ors’. They passed through a learning phase to feel comfortable actually composing their thoughts electronically, but they marvel at how much more efficient both entry and editing is, and at the higher quality finished product.

            Cursive is the new calligraphy. Pretty, but quaint. An inefficient skill. Just another chorus of “the olden days wuz better.”

          • Lizard

            But…cursive is still in English. There’s a difference between competence in a script and competence in a language.

          • AJ Drew

            If you can’t read, then written English is a foreign language, yes?

          • Phillip in L.A.

            “hours of painstaking work to transcribe my natural print”

            So you learned to print first, and without instruction? 😉

            “I haven’t written in cursive since the day I turned in my last fifth-grade writing assignment.”

            Q.E.D. If writing becomes a usual habit and/or necessity and/or pleasure, it seems difficult to understand this sentiment. When you were 10 years old, did you have any clue what you might “actually use every day”?

          • mad-dog

            I’m with you, mate. I got a “D” in handwriting first semester of fifth grade, at which point I told my teacher that henceforth I would be turning in all written work in block capitals, and that he might as well get used to it. He was wise enough not to fight it, and I have never written anything in cursive since. I can read it if I must, but it doesn’t come up very often.

        • AJ Drew

          That’s sadly true for most of the USA. I attended a wedding recently that had a sign-in book and I was… surprised looking at the entries, and how many people didn’t/wouldn’t sign or write a message. Hmm.

        • sfbob

          Too bad they were still teaching cursive writing when I was in school. I gave up on it before I graduated high school based on my need to read my own notes.

          • Reality.Bites

            I felt no good could come of me reading my own notes so I stopped taking them.

          • sfbob

            To be honest my printing isn’t all that great either. Perhaps I was supposed to have been a doctor.

          • (((GC)))

            I’m not a doctor, but my signature suggests otherwise. It’s the only atrophied remnant of my cursive handwriting (which I hated learning and using).

        • Rob NYNY

          My mother went to a Catholic grade school in the 1930’s, and learned cursive in the first grade. She did not learn how to print until she was getting her teaching degree in the 1960’s. I have also heard that Russians learn only cursive.

      • safari

        My hands are no longer configured for writing. It hurts after a few minutes.

        • Reality.Bites

          I can’t handle writing down a few things on a list anymore. When I have to write something more, I wonder why these mean people are doing this to me.

          Ever since I found out you can scan your signature using your Mac’s webcam and add it to PDFs I don’t even sign documents by hand anymore.

          When I’m in the US and some place hands me a credit card slip to total up with tip and sign I feel like I’ve been transported to the past.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Hmmm, I’m in IT, but not that part of IT. What are you describing? Those tweets all link only to a bad 80s MV.

    • AmeriCanadian

      That’s just great! Such a bearer of good news aren’t you?

  • AJ Drew
    • PickyPecker

      I truly wish she had indeed turned around and said ‘back off, creep’ like she had wanted to.

      • Joe in PA

        That was the worst of all the debates. I felt so unnerved by the time that one was over, I remember feeling creeped out and sad at the same time. Naively I didn’t really put it together until I started seeing the recordings the next day. Ok, I’m a little slow…and I was listening to what she was saying.

        • JCF

          I couldn’t watch that one. Two days after “grab ’em by the pussy”? Too disgusted to look at him (still am).

      • Lazycrockett

        “She’s weak, She cant handle the pressure, she’s so easily intimidated.” – Media 24/7

        • Joe in PA

          And then show constant loops of her fainting getting in to the car.

          • Gerry Fisher

            What crappy luck that sickness was.

      • Gerry Fisher

        She just…well…got all inhibited and stiff when she campaigned, due in large part to 40 years of being pounded by the far right and not wanting to “open up” in any way. That really could have been an “I worked with Jack Kennedy, and, sir, you are NO Jack Kennedy” moment.

      • Lizard

        That would have been the worst possible thing she could have done. She got weeks of bad press for coughing. Saying that would have been throwing herself to the jackals. “Hillary blows up during debate!” “Can’t handle being close to men!” “Presidency would be too stressful for Hillary!”

    • greenmanTN
      • Bryan

        “Back off, you creep.”
        [edit: oops, didn’t scroll down…]

  • Lazycrockett

    You know damn well his lawyers have not kept anything that would paint a negative on Drumpf. They are basically mobsters themselves.

    • Joe in PA

      Did you see Rachel Maddow the other day when she ran down the list of creepy lawyers Trump has had. She was leading up to that lawyer that was involved with the Don Jr meeting. At that time he was working for the Russians facilitating the meeting, previously he was Trump’s attorney sending a bill to Bill Mahr for $1M because he proved he was the spawn of an orangutan.

      And yet, he got elected. Sigh.

      • Ross

        “Elected”.

        • Joe in PA

          I see what you did there, and I’m stealing it! 🙂

          • Ross

            I have never felt that Trump was elected.

            I have been convinced since 11/8/16 that the election was stolen.

            And without drastic changes to our voting process, I am terrified that we will never again have honest elections.

            Republicans have become scum. And they will NOT give up power.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      It shows that no matter what even with a weapon and a criminal stranger, even women want to blame other women when things happen. We truly have NOT advanced from the idea that women should have to die to protect their “virtue.”

      There’s a huge denial by women that X can happen to them and a lot of victims self-blame because they’d have to accept that it can happen again and there was nothing they could have done to prevent it. Also that “friend” is a total bitch.

  • LeeCMH

    Well, Trump wasn’t joking when he suggested, “grab em by the pussy.”

  • Daveed_WOW

    The most interesting development of the Weinstein situation is the potential to invalidate Non-Disclosure Agreements when they are used to conceal a crime.

    • boatboy_srq

      What idiot legal eagle is arguing that they are not?

      • Daveed_WOW

        Donald Trump. If his NDAs are concealing crimes, he’s done.

        • boatboy_srq

          NDA’s have never been proof against criminal activity. Once again Lord Dampnut is showcasing his idiocy lack of knowledge.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      California Civil Code section 3513: “a law established for a public
      reason cannot be contravened by a private agreement.”

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Up here, NDA’s become null and void if they are deemed to be part of a criminal enterprise and/or the facilitating of a fraud/deception on the court. The penalty for having an NDA for this purpose is a separate charge on top of any crime in which it is connected. I’m surprised this is not the case in the States or does it vary state to state?

        • No idea. I do know there’s only seven states in the union where you can be fired for reporting a crime. Oddly enough, while most of them are predictably southern trash states, New York is one of them…

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Yes, it varies from State to State! I doubt there are many States that criminalise NDAs, for various reasons (Impairment of the Obligation of a Contract; First Amendment). And my best guess is that these clauses/contracts are voidable, but not routinely void.

          Generally speaking, the question is whether the non-disclosure clause is severable and/or the contract is divisible (i.e., is the “criminal activity” so intimately related to the contract, that to give force to one is to approve the other? Is the non-disclosure clause such an integral part of the contract–or the entire deal–that the whole contract must be invalidated? Can the clause (or whole contract) be given a lawful interpretation? Was separate consideration paid for the clause?)

          It also matters who is trying to enforce it, and for what reasons (i.e., suit by Promisee for damages or injunction against enforcement? Suit for specific performance by Promisor?) These latter are important, because ‘equity’ generally takes cognizance of fraud, while ‘law’ does not always; also, equity requires a petitioner to come into court with ‘clean hands’.

  • Joe in PA

    So, how much will this cost Trump’s backers? You know they’ll settle for big $$$ before discovery happens.

  • pogdaddle

    I’m wondering how the woman who was suing Trump for having sex with her, when she was underage, but withdrew her suit, because she received death threats, was able to receive these threats if she was suing as a “Jane Doe.” Only someone who knew her identity would be able to reach her personally.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

    • Which means someone slipped her identity.

      • (((GC)))

        Someone like… tRump?

  • Acronym Jim

    This is for BillBear. It’s also illustrative of the Trump administration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIz3klPET3o

    • boatboy_srq

      That’s brilliant.

      It’s also made me never want to go bobsledding in Norway. Especially with full orchestra.

      • Robincho

        As Gynts go, Grieg had no Peers…

        • boatboy_srq

          Ouch.

          Well played.

    • billbear1961

      😀

      I hope Dump and Pence are separated from the sled sooner than this and plummet into a crevasse, never to be seen again!

  • Lazycrockett
    • boatboy_srq

      Gets said federal hate crimes attorney out of DC. Makes you wonder what Sessions has in mind to do at Justice while s/he’s gone.

      • David Walker

        I wish I could believe that even someone like the weasel-puss elf is capable of doing something good once in a while; instead, I wonder what’s in it for him.

    • JWC

      What, to make sure the body is realy really dead. That would be the level of Jeffy Noreguard’s empathy

      • Lars Littlefield

        Noreguard. Very good. Very good, indeed.

    • Statistics Palin

      Doubtless, he wants the victim prosecuted posthumously from the bench. Redneck asshole judges have done this before in anti-gay murders.

  • fuzzybits

    Courtney Love’s warning in 2005. https://youtu.be/g70XbYd0bZ8

  • safari
    • PickyPecker
      • Gianni

        Now what could Donnie possibly tweet against these pretty women? Are they liars, haters, pawns of the Dems being used to get back at him for winning the election, fake news, no one has more love for women than he does (?), or no one respects women more than he does (?), or what? He may have to sue them all for malicious slander (Didn’t he say he was going to do that during the campaign?) Let the court cases begin; discovery should be a real hoot.

        • Bryan

          “Yeah, I’m gonna go after her. Believe me, she would not be my first choice. That I can tell you. You don’t know. That would not be my first choice.”

  • Lars

    Trump haters are out in force……. But nobody gives Trump the benefit of the doubt. The timing of the accusations should be considered in this entire situation. Why would she just now come out with the accusations during the election? MMMMM Nobody made this big of a deal out Bill Clinton’s many documented and proven affairs affairs or his many trips on air pedophile. Yet to counter this in the election and because of the leaked tape of trump saying what he did all these women suddenly without proof or prior accusation poof just appear on the scene and say this happened. This is for one of two possible outcomes… 1) to cash in by settling out of court to keep quiet. Or 2) if Trump were to settle out of court it would be considered an admission of guilt. My question in this is if Trump did sexually assault this or any other woman why did they wait 10 to 15 years to say anything about it? I do not necessarily like Trump and i did not vote for him nor did I vote for Hillary. I did not vote because the it was choice between an evil corrupt nut job at the head of an international criminal cartel “Hillary” or a billionaire egomaniac in love with his own reflection. That all being said I can recognize a political hit job when I see it.If I were to sexual assault a woman she would immediately call the police. She would not wait 15 years and bring it up only after it would be harmful to my political campaign. It is just BS the democrats are using to attack Trump. Because no matter if he is innocent of this assault or not he has already been tried by the media. Why did she not press charges then? It is her word against his how can she prove it except that if she told a friend then it is hearsay. because of his bragging caught on tape all the sudden there are women saying he did it to them 10, 15 , and 20 years ago during his campaign for president. Anyone that does not see it as a political hit job is a moron. Whether or not you like him or not the circumstances and timing of the accusations are too good to be true.

    • I did give him the benefit of the doubt, then he admitted he did it and bragged about it. Why are you so busy sucking his colon?

    • Dazzer

      I wrote some guidance about why you should never write posts in one long block of text elsewhere in this discussion.

      Please read them and then re-write your comment.

    • The_Wretched

      TLDR paragraph. There is no rational reason to give Donny the Unfit the benefit of the doubt. We have his pussy grabbing video and all his comments on howard stern show (go watch, it’s nauseating).

      And even if you couldn’t stand Hillary, the SCT is too important to have Trump in office – as we can see with Gorsuch.

    • joe ho

      lol. If you think a Hillary administration would have been worse than a Trump administration, you’re the moron.

      As far-left icon Chomsky says liberals who didn’t vote for Clinton made a very bad mistake. Progressive causes will be set back for a generation.

      The packing of the federal judiciary with far-right religious nutcases will be a road block to progress for the next thirty years. That alone would not have happened under Hillary.

      http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307570-chomsky-liberals-who-didnt-vote-for-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake

      Now delete yourself. You’re an imbecile.

    • kareemachan

      tl;dr

      blocked

    • LatrinaDiBucca

      These stories have been circulated for a LONG time, nothing new about them, just like in the cases of Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby, and the Catholic Church’s myriad pedophile scandals. And, in fact, there were a number of specific, credible, documented sexual assault allegatsions (some settled with NDAs) brought to the media DURING the ’16 campaign.

      And in case you didn’t realize, public attitudes toward sexual assault have changed somewhat in the last 20 years, and women who would have felt vulnerable in a private citizen v. private citizen confrontation against a supposed “billionaire” with an army of attorneys to defend him may be feeling different 20 years later, when they are able to shine the spotlight on a very public figure like an elected politician. They are also likely empowered knowing that perhaps dozens of other women can corroborate their stories.

      Yeah, Trump as potus is vulnerable to these types of charges in a way he wasn’t 20 years ago. And in the case of some of these accusers, they realize that the man who groped them 20 years ago is a threat NOT just to them, but to their daughters, to their families, to women and women’s rights EVERYWHERE; to democracy, and in the extreme case of provoking a nuclear war with NK, possibly to the survival of tens of millions of people.

      Truth will out, and karma is a #nastywoman.

  • MassageBear
    • Dazzer

      LOL!

  • FAEN

    The party of ‘family values’ will say the women were asking for it.