Trump Orders Halt To Obamacare Subsidy Payments

The Associated Press reports:

In a brash move likely to roil insurance markets, President Donald Trump will “immediately” halt payments to insurers under the Obama-era health care law he has been trying to unravel for months.

Before sunrise Friday morning, Trump went on Twitter to urge Democrats to make a deal: “The Democrats ObamaCare is imploding,” he wrote. “Massive subsidy payments to their pet insurance companies has stopped. Dems should call me to fix!”

The Department of Health and Human Services had made the announcement in a statement late Thursday. “We will discontinue these payments immediately,” said acting HHS Secretary Eric Hargan and Medicare administrator Seema Verma. Sign-up season for subsidized private insurance starts Nov. 1, in less than three weeks, with about 9 million people currently covered.

The New York Post reports:

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said late Thursday that he and other AGs are ready to sue President Trump to defend the subsidies that help Americans obtain health insurance.

“I will not allow President Trump to once again use New York families as political pawns in his dangerous, partisan campaign to eviscerate the Affordable Care Act at any cost,” Schneiderman said in a statement.

The New York AG said he would be joined by California Attorney General Xavier Becerra and 16 other attorneys general to stand up against the action by Trump to cut off subsidies for Obamacare. “Our coalition of states stands ready to sue if President Trump cuts them off.”

  • Sam_Handwich

    you broke it, you own it.

    • JCF

      Same w/ EVERY freakin’ Rethuglican who voted for ANY of “Repeal & Destroy”. [And MANY of them, esp in the House, are vulnerable! Let’s take the House! dccc.org ]

  • Tawreos

    I am so tired of this fuckwit and this juvenile need to destroy everything that doesn’t have his name on it regardless of the consequences.

  • No More GOP.

    The ACA is not broken, Donnie. At least, it wasn’t until you started fucking with it. All you can do is destroy.

    • clay
      • Joe in PA

        Pssst, only old people will get that. 🙂

        • worstcultever

          old person, representin’! 🙂

        • greenmanTN

          *sigh* I got it. 😉

        • Acronym Jim

          It doesn’t matter. Any meme using an image from the web comic Hyperbole and a Half is good.

        • ColdCountry

          *looks around*
          Your point?

          • Joe in PA

            🙂

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        • Paula

          Speak up, sonny, I can’t hear you!

          • David Walker

            Can you embiggen the font size?

          • GayOldLady

            My magnification is already 150, I think a font of about

            20 would be nice.

        • GayOldLady

          🙁 You better watch out fella or I’ll trip you with my cane.

        • GayOldLady

          Or I’ll borrow Joe’s walker and hit you with it.

    • JT

      If only part of it came tumbling down on the moron’s head.

      • ChrisMorley

        Hospital imaging scanners weigh many tons, just saying.

        • Snarkaholic

          Full bedpans probably only weigh a couple of pounds, but when you drop thousands of them…

          • David Walker

            And, like buttered bread, the business side flips and hits the floor/the fucking moron first.

        • Duh-David

          When I worked in the hospital system, I had a standing offer for the CAT-scan personnel: the person who took THE phone call each July got a pizza lunch on me. Because, each July when the new doctors started we would get the same call, “But, you don’t understand, Mr. Jackson is too sick to come down for his CAT-scan, you’ll have to bring the machine up to the ICU and do it portable.” … “Fine, you call the administrator and report me, and when he finishes laughing at you, call me back and we’ll arrange a time for you to come down.”

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Mark

      Population control by death. Here’s your death squads Palin!!

      • William

        Death squads are more merciful than Death Panels.

    • Joe in PA

      “very concerned”? What the fuck is that? ITMFA!

  • Rex

    It’s no longer Obamacare, it’s now Trumpcare.
    The sooner it hurts the people who voted for you, the better.

    • CraigNJ

      I was thinking the same thing. Now that Hair Furor has made all these changes it’s no longer Obamacare now it’s Trumpcare. I can’t wait to see how the Trumpanzees scream when their insurance premiums soar while their coverage disappears. All brought to you by Trumpcare!

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    “The Democrats ObamaCare is imploding,” he wrote

    Honey, if it were imploding, you wouldn’t have to be working so hard to try and kill it now would you.

    Hey Donnie, look over here… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/704ec1858ba2a4158e7a62f914918d89c6931a07df8dc4480c7bfae9b10754ba.gif

  • Bluto

    goddamn this insane motherfucker for the damage he’s inflicting on the country. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/427855868be62e3ed9798910ad27167cbd0c20a6aecf2bda883624eaa989fe78.jpg

    • William

      Hueh up and get back to ore processing.

  • BlindBill

    why not stop all corporate subsidies while you are at it – I am pretty sure EXXON does not need taxpayers money ontop of their profits

    • Mark

      Nor does the NFL.

    • Thorn Spike

      Bingo.

    • Christopher

      Many churches are corporations nowadays.

      Just sayin’. 😉

  • Mark

    It’s only because of this I have insurance. fuck you dt!!!!!

    • canoebum

      The ACA literally saved my life.

      • Bj Lincoln

        I may have had the heart surgery because I went to the ER but I would not have gotten the after care except my GP who can’t send me to a specialist. I would be saddled with a HUGE bill I would never be able to pay back. As it is, I still have medical bills from before the ACA that are decades old and messed up my credit. It is a great way to keep the poor with no chance of getting ahead, a loan for anything and stay poor.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          That what they want. A permanent underclass.

      • JCF
  • tbj5

    Something has him incredibly pissed and scared.

    Also, look at all these GOP cucks who were so vocal about Tyrant Obama ruling by EO Decree, who have said absolutely nothing about Trumpty Dumpty flailing like a teething two-year-old dictator.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      That was EOing while black

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Donnie, even if you are successful in killing Obamacare, and causing preventable death, Obama will still have a bigger penis than you. Oh, and by the way, he’s smarter, better looking, beloved worldwide – and he has great hair.

    • DaddyRay

      And his wife loves him

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        This! His first and only wife.

      • greenmanTN

        Donnie still has the receipt for his current wife.

      • ColdCountry

        As do his children.

        • bzrd

          who are wonderful people unlike the spawn of the Resident Nazi who are just as evil as their gene pool donor

    • Gianpiero

      And will outlive him by decades.

      • JCF

        …by both calendar year AND length of life.

  • JT

    Kick the bum out now!

  • Sam_Handwich

    BREAKING: Susan Collins will NOT run for Governor of Maine, citing her seniority in the senate and ability to bring home the bacon. So i presume she’ll run for senate again in 2020.

    Met with enthusiastic applause at a business event in ME

    • Leo

      Translation:
      McConnell said I’d be replaced with a Dem in the Senate, don’t do it

    • Gustav2

      A politician, even a Mainer, does not announce a candidacy for governor at a small breakfast and not without lots of confetti!

      • Joe in PA

        I read that as “covfefe”. 🙁

  • David J

    Seven billion dollars?? The U.S. military budget is about 100 times as much. I’m sure we could find 1-2% of that budget, (all those golf courses they maintain, yes, military golf courses around the world, not just in the USA), “Green Zones: A Map of the US Military’s Golf Courses
    From California to the Korean DMZ, the Pentagon runs nearly 200 golf courses.” Then there’s all those obsolete planes stored in the boneyard outside Tucson, AZ. Then there’s a dozen other ways the U.S. military industrial complex chokes the American taxpayer by the throat. And we can’t afford 7 billion for low-income folks to have quality health insurance through subsidies? Read about the golf courses here” ,,, http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/pentagon-military-golf-courses-map/

    • clay

      15 million Americans
      well, in addition to the 3 million in Puerto Rico

      Turmp’s doing all he can to make America smaller, again.

  • blackstar

    #25thAmendment

  • Joe in PA

    “Dems, call me to fix”.

    Yeah, the Dems will be calling you with a big fat lawsuit you stupid fuck.

    • clay

      24 states will probably file by Wednesday.

      • Gustav2

        Not Ohio, Repubs have to be reelected next year. Current AG (R) running for governor and Kassich is the lamest of ducks.

        • Bj Lincoln

          Count on my folks voting a straight GOP ticket no matter what they do to f**k things up.

      • Joe in PA

        Ya know, I should be posting Gustav’s happy dance .gif…I don’t have the energy. Feeling beet down.

        How sad that we have to cheer when 24 states file suit against an action by our president. 🙁

      • JCF
  • Gustav2

    This is all BS until they change the law that requires hospitals to take all the sick and injured (at least in the ER).

    Until these semi-freeloaders understand they can be refused care, they will try to get off cheap while sticking the rest of us with the bill.

  • rednekokie

    Seems to me that this act of “Obama defiance” is tantamount to abrogating written law, in which case would be grounds for impeachment. He is bound to uphold ALL law, whether he agrees with it or not.

    • William

      In a normal place and time, yes.

  • DaddyRay

    Each states Insurance commissioners, who have just had their states rights and authority undercut should be allying themselves with Insurance companies who are having their markets destabilized should be going after Trumps Executive Order with everything they got.

  • Joe in PA

    Why yes, it IS possible to loath this fucker more than I did yesterday. Who’d a thunk it?

    • olandp

      I hate him more everyday, but today I hate him like tomorrow.*

      *Paraphrase from the Fred Astaire film Roberta (I think).

      • JCF

        “I hate him more than yesterday
        But not as much as I will tomorrow”

        [Paraphrase] Song by Spiral Staircase, and saying far beyond that.

  • TexasBoy

    And to the conservative poor in Alabama and Louisiana who lose their healthcare, he will still be Saint Donald, simply because his does not have a deep skin tone.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Is there a word worse than motherfucker I can call him?

  • HZ81

    Destroying the healthcare market and rocketing the debt skyward—you know, like a good fiscal conservative.

    This is a death sentence for countless Americans. Another day of shame in this country.

    • William

      We live in the crater of civilization.

      • Bj Lincoln

        “crater of civilization” Perfect.

      • HZ81

        I love that. Stealing. It’s a lawless land now so you can’t stop me. 🙂

    • JCF

      Trying to have faith in all the LAWSUITS against it…

  • Tomcat

    How can a president just undo what legislature has done. Obama did not put subsidy payments in with an EO, but he is taking them with one.

    • clay

      But Liddle’ Jeffy Secessions told him he could . . .

      • AJayne

        Thank you for “Jeffy Secessions.” That will be how I refer to him from this point forward!

  • Tomcat

    The president is subverting the law with proclamations, this is against the constitution.

    • canoebum

      It is a clear violation of his Oath of Office to “to care that the laws are faithfully executed”. It is an impeachable offense.

      • Karl Dubhe

        Another one. 🙁

        Hmmm, I’m thinking of a song.

        https://youtu.be/LI3bnm33Eqw

        • Joe in PA

          Oh my. 🙂

          “Don’t I warn you when you’re getting fat?”

          • Karl Dubhe

            Hmmm, maybe I should have looked at all of the lyrics. 🙂

  • Tomcat

    I hope trump realizes that this time JUNK health insurance will be scrutinized by the press and exposed for the shill it is.

    • Joe in PA

      I kinda doubt anyone will care. 🙁 Fake news is what you’ll hear from them even if they do expose it.

      People are stupid and gullible. 🙁

      OKOK, my cynicism is out of control this am…time to take a break. 🙁

    • David Gervais

      Considering the way he manages his real estate businesses, junk insurance will be his idea of the bestest insurance ever.

      • Uncle Mark

        Hell, I’m sure he or one of his crotch fruit will get in the business of selling Trump-brand (junk) insurance

        • AJayne

          Keep an eye out for Spectrum Health – owned by some in his group – maybe the Mercers?

  • Bj Lincoln

    Just tweeted back,
    “It wasn’t imploding! It needed fixed but not parts that made it work MORON! You took my healthcare! 9 Million WILL suffer!”
    “Someone is lying to you! THIS will NOT help! Taking money away is NOT help! You really are a fucking moron!!!”

  • DaddyRay

    People should avoid the junk plans as any of them that will be created will only exist while this Executive Order stands. The EO is going to be challenged and they could end up finding themselves without insurance not only because the junk plans won’t cover them but when they get pulled they will have to try to get back on the comprehensive plans which will cost them more money when they come back.

  • Christopher
  • greenmanTN

    Happy Friday the 13th. 🙀☠️👹

    Fasten your seatbelts, it’s gonna be a bumpy day. I think we’re about to get the answer to that age-old question, “What fresh hell is this?”

  • Acronym Jim

    Weren’t subsidies to insurance companies one of the few things in the ACA that the Republicans liked?

    I mean, if Donnie really wanted to stick it to the “Dems pet insurance companies,” he would just provide Medicare for all.

    • Goodboy

      That’s where I think this will eventually go. Of coarse allot of people are going to die in the meantime.

    • The_Wretched

      $9 billion to the insurance companies in direct payments.

  • GeneInSJ

    I’m curious to see how the stock market will react to this, and also what, if anything, congress will do to stop Trump.

    • Bj Lincoln

      I hope the market falls to the sub-basement and Congress does its job and stops this.

    • Nax

      Me too. But I think it will set new records. The stock market is operating in another universe again. When it does all catch up with them, guess who’s gonna pay to bail out the “too big to fail” companies?

      • William

        The next Big Pharma merger is making Wall Street traders giddy.

    • kanehau

      Stocks all seem up. I guess they don’t care.

  • worstcultever

    More sadism from co-presidents Miller and Bannon

  • William

    O mighty Angela, please save us.

  • joe ho

    No worries. Bernie’s $27 donations will cover all of this. And Slurandon will contribute from her private fortune.

  • greenmanTN
    • Acronym Jim

      A real dickhead.

      • Ken M

        Hard to call him that when he has no balls.

        • Alex Polkovsky

          Well, that means he’s all Dick and no balls.

          I buy that.

  • dogdadny

    It like someone shouting help this man he’s dying while he’s stabbing him.

  • netxtown

    Ok…the sadist in me is eager to see the insurance company reaction – and how this news plays out today on WS. Insurance Co’s just saw a huge chunk of income vaporized. Sure, they don’t have to provide coverage – but they are still out the money. And, as we all know – it’s all about the money.

    Let the fist fights begin!

    (I beg forgiveness from those here who will be impacted by donnie dumbass’s tantrum while holding his crayons.)

  • billbear1961

    “Michael Gerson . . . dyed-in-the-wool neo-conservative evangelical Christian who worked as George W. Bush’s speechwriter . . .” lets loose on Trump:

    [T]he real problem has always been Trump’s fundamental unfitness for high office. It is not Trump’s indiscipline and lack of leadership, which make carrying a legislative agenda forward nearly impossible. It is not his vulgarity and smallness, which have been the equivalent of spray-painting graffiti on the Washington Monument. It is not his nearly complete ignorance of policy and history, which condemns him to live in the eternal present of his own immediate desires.

    [Sen. Bob] Corker has given public permission to raise the most serious questions: Is Trump psychologically and morally equipped to be president? And could his unfitness cause permanent damage to the country?

    It is no longer possible to safely ignore the leaked cries for help coming from within the administration. They reveal a president raging against enemies, obsessed by slights, deeply uninformed and incurious, unable to focus, and subject to destructive whims. A main task of the chief of staff seems to be to shield him from dinner guests and telephone calls that might set him off on a foolish or dangerous tangent. Much of the White House senior staff seems bound, not by loyalty to the president, but by a duty to protect the nation from the president…

    The time for whispered criticisms and quiet snickering is over. The time for panic and decision is upon us. The thin line of sane, responsible advisers at the White House—such as Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson—could break at any moment. Already, Trump’s protests of eternal love for Kelly are a bad sign for the general’s future. The American government now has a dangerous fragility at its very center. Its welfare is as thin as an eggshell—perhaps as thin as Donald Trump’s skin.

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2017/Senate/Maps/Oct13.html#item-4

    • Bj Lincoln

      This was great and very sad/scary. I passed it on. Thanks.

      • billbear1961

        You’re welcome, Bj.

        Good to see you!

    • The_Wretched

      “Trump’s fundamental unfitness for high office.”

      Yep. i’ve been calling him Donny the Unfit for a while now. In everyway that matters and in every way that doesn’t, he has the wrong skills and makes the wrong decisions on every aspect of the job of president.

  • ColdCountry

    Have I mentioned at least six times today how much I HATE that man?

  • JackFknTwist

    To those needing Health Care Plans ”
    “Let them eat cake.”
    To devastated Puerto Rico +St. Thomas, St, John, St, Croix :
    “Let them eat cake.”

    Where is D’Anton or Robespierre ?

    • boatboy_srq

      PR should collect all the used paper towels and send them back.

  • Rick Jackson

    So many people would be ecstatic if Mother Nature would drop a lightning bolt on this useless pile of orange excrement

  • AJayne

    He keeps calling the law “Democrats’ ObamaCare,” but with this action, he just took full possssion of it…

    • The_Wretched

      We need to remind them that Trump killed the subsidy (“transfer payments”) so that’s why rates are skyrocketing.

      • AJayne

        Yes. We also need to point out that what we individually paid (thanks to subsidies) was not nearly the full premium cost – and when insurance companies (as they already have) say rates are going to increase by 20-25%, they mean the full rate, not our personal subsidized rates. So without subsidies, that policy we once paid $200-300 for will now cost $850-900.

        • The_Wretched

          Scary and important point!

  • Friday

    So, all the Republican sabotage didn’t make it ‘imploding’ and Trumpence’s piecemeal looting of it and using the advertising budget to ….sabotage it more…. wasn’t making it implode, so now he’s just trying to blow it up and hurt more people so he can say “Hey, your plan imploded.”

  • boatboy_srq

    This is like a U-boat commander firing a spread of torpedoes at a convoy, then complaining that the shipping is sinking.

  • DesertSun59

    Congress won’t do a thing, as usual. They wanted what he’s doing for years anyway. It’s irrelevant that millions will be negatively affected by this. Republicans do not work for ‘people’. They work only for donors. The vast majority of their constituents aren’t donors.

  • Alex Polkovsky

    Asshole toddler wades over, smashes your complicated block tower, grins and says, “Oops, something happened to your tower! Next time, give me your pudding snack!”

  • Mike C

    This will disproportionally affect people in non-Medicaid expansion states (who’s lowest income residents still have to rely on private insurance companies entirely). His base is about to see their out of pocket costs explode overnight.

    • Lizard

      Well that should be…interesting.

    • Halou

      Good for them. They wanted this so they should get it. Maybe next time they vote they can be responsible citizens for a change.

    • Kelly Lape

      Silver lining of the day award goes to….

  • teeveedub

    I can’t wait to hear the imbecile Trump voters who benefitted from Obamacare subsidies whine about how bad Obamacare is when they lose those subsidies.

    • Halou

      That’s the problem. They will insist that despite years of good coverage this sudden turn for the worst is as a result of the way Obamacare was crafted, and not a result of anti-American hatred and greed on the part of the American president.

      • Kelly Lape

        It is human nature to blame others for one’s own imbecilic misfortune.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      May they all die slowly and painfully for their complicity. And no, I don’t feel like beng nice, charitable or kind about it. This act will directly affect my husband’s mother so I’m in no mood to kind to any Trumpanzee who suffers from this.

  • CraigNJ

    Is he also repealing the new taxes that came with the ACA?

    • Halou

      Only the ones that applied to him and his billionaire friends Mercers and Kocks.

      • Kelly Lape

        I don’t believe you can repeal an act of congress with an executive order. Not paying our bills is a Congressional tradition whenever the GOP has the purse.

        • Halou

          You don’t believe it. Nobody believed a foreign spy could take and keep the White House either, but then it happened.

          Nobody believed a president could personally pocket the entire Secret Service budget for a year in less than 6 months, then it happened.
          Nobody believed a president would see an act of domestic terrorism and respond by calling the perpetrator a “good person” and faulting the victims, and then it happened.
          Nobody believed a president would side with a foreign autocrat when said autocrat’s bodyguards began assaulting US citizens on the streets of Washington, D.C. and then a president did just that.

          I very much DO believe that a president can nullify, void and repeal an act of congress by executive order. Nothing in congress or the courts is going to stop him.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    You total complete fucking piece of shit!!!

  • GayOldLady

    After you win on the ObamaCare front will you please indict Trump for Money Laundering in NY for Russia?

  • Halou

    It’s not an implosion if the ACA is assaulted from the outside. Fucking imbecile.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      In Drump’s defense, that’s exactly how you do “implosions” in construction.

      1. Outfit the appointed building with strategically placed bombs.
      2. BOOM!
      3. Implosion accomplished.

  • Tom Mears

    Read this article to find out more about the type of insurance companies that will offer policies under Donny’s new rules. Junk insurance doesn’t even begin to describe it. Fraudulent is closer. These types of companies will sell frightened sick people policies costing hundreds of dollars promising it covers drugs, doctors, ER, etc. They will find out as soon as they try to use it that it covers next nothing.

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4105714-health-insurance-innovations-penalties-exceed-100-million-undisclosed-domino-effect

    (you may need to register on the site to read the full article)

  • Kelly Lape

    The case against the administration seems strong. The ACA collects fees for redistribution as part of the law. Trump is trying to strong arm those funds to justify another tax cut for himself and his kids. It if weren’t for the tragedy, the comedy would be outstanding.

  • pch1013

    Crappy plans? No coverage for poor people? Let’s call it what it is: Trumpcare.

  • Jim Maloney

    I see he’s breaking more things today-something he aspires to excel at.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      He doesn’t aspire. It’s the one thing he does excel at.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Hue-Man
  • JWC

    Qustion Was the ACA realy imploding or is chicken little just saying the sky is falling?

    • Pip

      It’s imploding because he’s doing everything in his power to make it implode. He’s going to sign executive order after executive order to make the ACA as toothless as possible so the program will no longer work.

  • Piet

    Why should the Democrats call him to fix the problem? It’s not like he ever stands by the terms of the agreements he makes. Why bother to negotiate with a snake in the grass when you know he’s just going to bite and then slither away?

    • Helen Damnation™

      Fixing the problem is an obvious solution; we need to fix the problem now. I have family members who receive the subsidized payments; their premiums will likely go up well over a thousand dollars a month, which they are unable to afford.

      • Piet

        I absolutely agree the solution is obvious, but his calling on the Democrats to do it is dishonest and self-serving, like just about everything he does. He’s not going to negotiate with the Democrats no matter what sort of terms they presented; apparently he somehow thinks we don’t know that.

  • Pip

    Welp, I guess Hair Furor has figured out a way to kill ACA. Just kill parts and pieces until the whole thing falls. What amazes me is all of the folks cheering this on that haven’t realized what this means for their insurance. Guess they’ll cheer all the way to bankruptcy the next time they need to go to the doctor.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/57f5b6bd64b5416304f2219070d8f713999e05799b0acf8060b65352b2c2934f.jpg

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Not many people know that.

  • Professor Barnhardt

    I don’t know whether I should go out this Halloween as Seema Verma, Pola Negri, or Mata Hari.

    Decisions, decisions.

  • Vista-Cruiser

    Yes this is terrible. But it’s also a direct and foreseeable result of Democratic-leaning Americans no longer bothering to vote in elections.

  • jimbo65

    Has anybody asked this asshole point blank, why do you hate Obama so much and trying to undo everything he did? Oh that’s right, he got his liddle feelings hurt at a correspondence dinner.

    • Talk about holding a grudge!

  • stevenj

    California has filed suit against the trump administration over ending the subsidies. Kentucky, Massachusetts and Connecticut have joined the lawsuit.

    http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/California-to-sue-Trump-administration-over-12276065.php

  • You all have to read this short post over at Prof. Nicholas Bagley – The Incidental Economist on today’s announcement. It is priceless.
    https://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/todays-interview-basically-csr-edition/