CALIFORNIA: Democratic State Senate President Kevin De Leon Likely To Challenge US Sen. Dianne Feinstein

CNN reports:

California Democratic state Senate president Kevin de León intends to enter California’s 2018 Senate race against Sen. Dianne Feinstein, three sources with knowledge of his plans say. De León has begun calling labor leaders and elected officials to inform them of his plans, the sources said, and is expected to soon announce his campaign against Feinstein, a giant of California Democratic politics who has held the office since 1992.

The 50-year-old de León, who represents Los Angeles and is seen as a leading Latino voice in Democratic politics, is likely to campaign aggressively against President Donald Trump. He began signaling he could oppose Feinstein in late August, after she said Trump could “be a good president” and that he “can learn and change.” Feinstein later clarified that she is “under no illusion that it’s likely to happen and will continue to oppose his policies.”

He likely won’t be the only Feinstein challenger. Tom Steyer, the billionaire environmentalist and single largest Democratic donor, is “very much looking at the Senate race,” a source close to him said. Steyer, who is in Washington this week, issued a letter Wednesday challenging Democratic candidates to call for Trump’s impeachment.

  • Gary

    Go for it. Feinstein is well past use by date.

    • cleos_mom

      Pulled her out of the refrigerator and checked the underside of the package did ya?

      • Canadian Observer

        Might have been the “sniff test”.

  • Tread

    Good. And while we’re at it, make Maxine Waters the Minority Leader in the House.

    • BobSF_94117

      Isn’t she an “old”?

      • Tread

        Oh lord. Get off it. I have nothing against old people, what I have a problem with is people who have been addled by their age that they can’t perform the duties expected of them and then hide that fact from the public. Maxine Waters? She’s a firebrand. She stands up for what she believes in and gets shit done. Feinstein? She’s a pushover who basically gave Trump a pass because she still believes civility will get her anywhere with him. I also took offense to the notion that “inexperienced youngsters” can’t represent people in political office well. Great, she has seniority, but what has she done with it? Do I see her out there, introducing legislation that would protect the DREAMers, undo the damage done to the environment, shore up our failing education system, etc.? No.

        • TimCA

          Feinstein is “addled” and can’t perform the duties expected of her and is hiding that fact from the public?
          Really? lol

          • Tread

            Sorry, by no means do I mean Feinstein is addled. That came across jumbled up. She isn’t and it wasn’t what I was trying to imply (Trump and McCain on the other hand…) What I do find disturbing is that she has hope Trump will stop being about himself and become a better president. That’s naive and dangerous.

          • TimCA

            I can discern comments made for public consumption and political expediency (and no, expediency is not necessarily a bad word).

          • TimCA

            Now understood. Thanks for clarifying.

        • BobSF_94117

          That you think Feinstein is a pushover just proves how ill informed you are.

        • BobSF_94117

          If you have nothing against old people, then don’t call people you don’t like “olds”. It gives people the wrong impression…

          • Tread

            Apologies.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Meh. I’m not sure a change is needed. But if he wins I’ll happily support him.

    • Tread

      Sorry, but Feinstein hasn’t done anything of note except be an anchor for the Democrats in the last 15 years.

      • gaycuckhubby

        How?

        • Tread

          http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article170284957.html

          While much of California’s Democratic establishment is resisting Donald Trump at every turn, the state’s senior U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein is urging “patience.”

          “I think we have to have some patience. I do,” Feinstein, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, told ex-Rep. Ellen Tauscher late Tuesday at a Commonwealth Club event in San Francisco. “It’s eight months into the tenure of the presidency … We’ll have to see if he can forget himself and his feeling about himself enough to be able to really have the kind of empathy and the kind of direction that this country needs.”

          • gaycuckhubby

            I happen to agree with that statement. It was right after the election. It is the proper way to respond to a new sitting president. If the goal of government is to try to get compromise then she was doing that. I think if you go back almost every single senator said the same things around inauguration time. They probably didn’t believe it, they knew it was b*******, but I would have said the same thing if I were a senator

          • Tread

            This wasn’t right after the election. This was a little over a month ago.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I apologize, my reading comprehension is off today. 🙃I still don’t have a big issue with it. She wasn’t rolling over for him she was expressing a hope that he will become a good president.
            I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.

          • AmeriCanadian

            There comes a point in time where the realization that it’s a hopeless case must pass. We are well beyond that point in time with the current “president”. And I do mean to disrespect him in every single way! He is not worthy of the title.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Oh I think that she believes that he’s a lost case but if there is anything she can do to try to get him to not kill more Americans, or starve them, or take their rights away then she has to do it. Even if it means sucking up to him. I am 100% sure that she would go along with impeachment hearings today if it was a political reality. But you have to work within the structure of our government as is.

          • Tread

            I do. I have a huge problem with someone not weighing empirical evidence and observations about someone who is clearly not a good person or never will be. It’s head in the sand bullshit and we especially don’t need people like that running our government at this time.

          • sfbob

            That was not hope. It was delusion. There really is no reason for any Democrat (ANY) to even attempt to normalize Trump.

          • Tread

            Which is what pissed me off at Schumer and Pelosi for even entertaining the notion Trump would compromise on the DREAMers. It does damage to their credibility.

          • greenmanTN

            But she said it at the end of August.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I’m still okay with it.
            You should want your president to be a good president even if you don’t believe he can be.

            I just think these comments were completely overblown but I’m often on the less popular side amongst commentators on this site when it comes to issues like this ☺️

          • greenmanTN

            I get the impulse to at least seem open to cooperation, hold out hope, etc etc, but after a certain point it starts to sound like “but Mussolini made the trains run on time” and I think we’ve reached that with Trump. It’s time to stop pretending he’s anything but dangerous.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I’d be interested to see more interviews with her, I can’t believe she doesn’t say that he isn’t dangerous.
            One quote urging him to be more presidential and to be a good president and hoping he can be amdoes not mean that she is blind to who he is.

            BTW. I think all of us would be shocked by what Obama would say about Trump now if he was in the public light again. He would not be questioning his intelligence, he would probably say complimentary things to him in hopes of stroking his ego when appropriate.
            while also urging on the resistance.

          • sfbob

            Realistically, we reached that point on January 21 at the absolute latest.

          • Matt G, Rochester

            Drumpf can’t even make the trains run on time. If he could, I might be willing to cut him a little slack, maybe 2 or 3 microns at this point.

          • thatotherjean

            I think that Trump has had more than enough chances to do something “presidential” and has failed miserably. We’re past the point where any more chances are dangerous for the country.

          • Matt G, Rochester

            No, it was not right after the election. Please read the quote again. It goes on to say that it is “eight months into” the reign fo drumpf.

          • Dagoril

            She’s owned by the insurance industry. I’m sure they’ve ordered her to be quiet, so they can get some more tax cuts.

          • The_Wretched

            That’s at least the 3rd time you’ve posted that snippet in the last hour. It’s a spammy/trolly thing to do.

          • gaycuckhubby

            To be fair, that post was directed at me and it was useful I had misread it earlier .
            So thank you Tread

          • Tread

            Oh fuck off already.

          • The_Wretched

            I am the wretched. it’s a big name to live up to.

          • Tread

            You are blocked.

          • The_Wretched

            And you are brittle.

          • Dom Saunders

            You really should calm down. You and Wretched were talking over each other when you both are on the same side…

          • Tread

            No, we really aren’t. He’s a damaged BernieBot who has popped up in multiple comment threads with the same bullshit any time anyone says anything bad about Bernie. I’m exhausted with trolls like him. It’s the same lie over and over again.

      • Natty Enquirer

        I would say Feinstein’s vote to extend the Patriot Act and FISA in 2012 was noteworthy. Or notorious.

        • Robincho

          Dianne is an acquaintance of mine, and a decent human being who owes the beginning of her major political career very directly to the assassination of Harvey Milk and George Moscone. She is not what you could call a liberal…

      • Do Something Nice

        While I’m not a fan of Feinstein, now is not the time for an inexperienced youngster to represent California in the Senate against Trump.

        • Tread

          Oh wow. There’s a ton to unpack in your statement, but mostly it’s bullshit. I’d rather have some inexperienced youngster with some fire in his belly than a milquetoast, has-been, do-nothing.

          • Do Something Nice

            Oh wow. We disagree so you say what I wrote is ‘mostly bullshit.’

            Have a lovely day.

          • Tread

            What’s there to say? You basically took a dump on us youngsters by implying we couldn’t represent California well. I’m sorry, but the olds in Congress now have been damaging our country for the past 15-20 years. Just as there are age limits in Congress to get in, there should be age limits to age people out.

          • Natty Enquirer

            Fighting ageism with ageism, eh?

          • The_Wretched

            The politics of ageism have grown old, time to renew them!

          • AmeriCanadian

            OK. But what about the politics of dancing???

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eabefjsJsAQ

          • Tread

            I’m just tired of being told that the youth are who are bringing down the country. It’s exhausting to the point of tears.

          • Do Something Nice

            When did I say that? Maybe you are exhausted because you assume too much and that throws you into hysterics.

          • The_Wretched

            I agree with your assessment of Tread.

          • Tread

            You just don’t like me because I accurately tagged you as a “victimized” BernieBot who wants to burn the whole house down because you didn’t get your liberal utopia your savior promised.

          • The_Wretched

            Gdub said they hated us for our freedum.

            I’m just waiting for you to call me “upity”.

          • Tread

            Trust me, hysterics is the furthest thing from where I’m at right now. I don’t think it’s fair to make that assessment de León, especially considering the track the Feinstein has taken with Trump. I especially think your “inexperienced youngster” statement is bullshit, so that’s what I called it. Barrack Obama had 7 years of legislative experience before he was elected to the U.S. Senate and then only 2 years there before he was elected President. Was he inexperienced?

          • Dom Saunders

            There’s also the fact that Leon is literally 50 so he is by no stretch of the imagination, a “youngster.”

          • Matt G, Rochester

            Yes, he was very inexperienced. It showed in his continued attempts of “bi-partisanship”, and “compromise.” Don’t get me wrong, he did a lot of good things. He also did many evil things like extending FISA and NSA spying. Just when we needed an FDR who knew how to use the bully pulpit to forward his agenda, we got a milquetoast, and now, when we have a lunatic in the building, the one thing the lunatic does right is use the bully pulpit to get a rise out of his base!

          • Tread

            I think you discredit Obama and the political scene he walked into in his presidency. We had just had 8 years of one of the worst U.S. presidencies in modern times. He was the first black president. People were burning and hanging effigies of him after his election. The circumstances between FDR, Obama, and Trump couldn’t be more different. Obama had to play the role of “compromise” and “bi-partisanship,” or be labeled the angry black man and crack open the festering wound of racism that has been so deftly torn open by Trump.

            I agree, there are some things I hate about his presidency, but overall he did more good for the American people as a whole than the prior 8 years had. Frankly, I think he’ll be one of the last civil presidents we’ll see in my lifetime.

          • BobSF_94117

            OK, it isn’t “the youth” who are targeting the most powerful Dem politicians based on age, it’s just you.

          • Tread

            I’m not targeting any Dems because of their age. I’m targeting them because of their insane insistence on demanding civility and decorum when that time has passed. Trump is a clear and present danger. Feinstein has signaled she doesn’t quite think that.

          • BobSF_94117

            Civility and intelligent destruction of ones political enemies may not be as entertaining to some as pointless cussing and screaming, but it’s much more effective in the long run.

          • Tread

            I never claimed I was looking for entertainment. You have to be willing to fight in the gutter if the situation calls for it. While the “high road” is a lovely political notion, these people are playing for keeps and are willing to sacrifice everything that makes America great to consolidate their power and wealth.

          • Matt G, Rochester

            No only do I upvote this, but I also do so as an AARP eligible boomer! Something short circuited in my generation after the 60’s. The hippies were boomers, and yet so many boomers bought the Rethuglican lie of “tax cuts increase revenue”,. and “the rich are job creators”, and “tax cuts for the rich will trickle down” through the economy. That last one really frosts my cake, as I’m really tired of being pissed on. And not in a fun, sexy way by some hot young stud, but more like having to picture Drumpf continuing to do it, from the Oval Office.

          • thatotherjean

            The problem with that (I had this conversation on another website just yesterday, and I agree with you) is that we’d have to change the rules on seniority. House and Committee memberships and various other positions of power depend on it now, so the longer you’ve been there, the more powerful you are. It kept Strom Thurmond there past 100, gaga as he was at the end. It’s terribly difficult to convince people to give up immediate personal power for some abstract “good of the country. ” so I don’t think any such reform will happen any time soon, unfortunately.

          • The_Wretched

            I haz confuzed. Weren’t you reaming me earlier for being anti-establishment and are now being anti-establishment?

          • Tread

            Don’t get too excited. I think you’re entirely misguided in just being anti-establishment. I get it, you want to kick all incumbents out of office. The “burn the house down” strategy is not a good one.

          • The_Wretched

            lol @ more mind reading and hasty generalization.

          • Tread

            Meh. You’re an easy read. It’s what I do for a living.

          • The_Wretched

            ok, I find your characerizations off, inaccurate and leaning into logical fallacy territory. I also have a long personal history where other folks pigeonhole me and then accuse me of betrayal or sandbagging them. That’s on them.

          • Tread

            Oh, that strong sense of victimhood. Got it.

          • Dom Saunders

            So I’m guessing that means you’re homeless…

          • The_Wretched

            hiya Dom, hope you’re well.

        • Adam King

          A fifty-year-old state Senate president is “an inexperienced youngster?” Really. You must be from a very strange planet indeed.

          • Do Something Nice

            If what I read is correct, he only has 4 years in political office total in his lifetime. And 50 compared to someone 85 is a youngster.

            Edit: OK I just read a more accurate history. He’s got enough experience – about 11 years. My bad.

          • Tread

            I really don’t care how young or old they are as long as they aren’t caving in for right wing bullshit.

        • Dom Saunders

          Are you talking about Leon? He’s FIFTY. How the hell is that equivalent to an “inexperienced youngster?” Obama wasn’t even in his 50’s when he was first elected and he did a decent job running the country at large and didn’t immediately sink our reputation into the ground. Can we say the same for his much older counterparts? No, you can’t.

  • Lazycrockett

    Yeah nip at her heels, she will have no problem stepping on Leon.

  • greenmanTN

    But who will be the Senate’s witness to the invention of dirt?!

    • thatotherjean

      Chuck Grassley, who at 84, is a few months older than Orrin Hatch.

  • Ranger One

    She is great. But it may be the right time for a hand-over.

  • pch1013

    Having a statewide elected official from SoCal would be a nice change, I guess.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Either one will be better than this…

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/918582133496668160

    • AmeriCanadian

      The amount of stupidity in this administration is mind boggling.

      • djcoastermark

        Mind boggling, but in no way unexpected.

        • sfbob

          Nor in any way accidental.

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      • BobSF_94117

        That’s really not fair. Any group automatically reaches collective maximum stupidity just because he’s included.

    • The_Wretched

      It’s a US territory. Perry’s only been in government for his entire adult career…

    • tristram

      The Dem left’s gonna convene the circular firing squad & destroy its last chance to stop the irreversible rightwing coup that is underway in Washington.

      • The_Wretched

        Or the Dems could embrace the left instead of the ‘moderate republicans’, return to a semi-populist (caring for the citizens) position and ride a wave of popularity. “We’re not the worst” is not a winning message.

        • tristram

          There’s not enough of ‘the left’ in the right places to put Dems back in control of the House, Senate or White House. We need to motivate as much of the left as possible while recovering support among the 10% of centrist voters who are open to voting for either party. If we primary/purge Feinstein and all Dem Senators and Reps to her right, we’ll be permanently marginalized. And the danger is imminent. If Republicans still hold the White House and Senate after 2020, they will place two more justices on SCOTUS (if it hasn’t happened before that) and it will all be over.

          • mark99k

            Alternatively, if we continue to proffer centrist, charisma-free, milquetoast candidates as we’ve done in almost every election between JFK and Obama, we will become a permanently uninspiring force and once again fail to sway the precious center.

            Think of the long list of presidential defeats over the past half-century: Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, Clinton. All of them were machine politicians who tried too hard to be as non-boat-rockingly vanilla as possible. Almost the only Dem wins happened when the Republican candidate was even more of a sea slug than ours. (And current party leadership reinforces this: Chuck Schumer’s energyless oratory makes thinking people want to hurl and reminds us how rare Obama was.)

            If we nominate another tired, pablum-spouting scarecrow in 2020, I believe we’ll have cemented our place in history as the party that couldn’t.

    • Clive Johnson

      HR Department of US Gov. under Trump: Are you as dumb as a box of rocks?

      Rick Perry: Yes ma’am I am.

      HR Department of US Gov. under Trump: You’re hired!

  • JT

    Not this fucking shit again.

  • Fair warning: Russian interference in America’s elections has not stopped.

    Besides helping to elect a madman and ensure his party had a continuing majority in Congress, they also worked very hard to divide the Democrats.

    • pch1013

      Too early to tell how, or whether, they’ll get involved in this race.

      But if they think they can get a Republican installed in California, they’re either ignorant or stupid.

      • All they gotta do is what happens all the time in Maine: Divide the Dem voters between multiple candidates.

        It’s exactly what they aimed for with the ongoing pro-Bernie/anti-Clinton propaganda after it was clear he would not win the nomination, and even afterwards.

        • pch1013

          But California elections are effectively nonpartisan now. The general election will almost certainly pit two Democrats against one another.

        • sfbob

          What happened in Maine CANNOT happen in California since there will be only two names on the ballot at election time. Both will almost certainly be Democrats but even if one of the two is a Republican there’s effectively no chance of that person winning.

        • downtownla

          We didn’t lose because some far-left voters, who were never going to vote Democratic in the first place, didn’t vote for Hillary. We lost because 8 million fewer voters turned out to the polls from 2008 to 2016. Part of it was Republican disenfranchisement and purging of voter rolls, but frankly most of it was a candidate who didn’t give Democrats a good enough reason to turn out to the polls.

    • Tread

      I think she did the dividing all herself:

      http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article170284957.html

      While much of California’s Democratic establishment is resisting Donald Trump at every turn, the state’s senior U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein is urging “patience.”

      “I think we have to have some patience. I do,” Feinstein, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, told ex-Rep. Ellen Tauscher late Tuesday at a Commonwealth Club event in San Francisco. “It’s eight months into the tenure of the presidency … We’ll have to see if he can forget himself and his feeling about himself enough to be able to really have the kind of empathy and the kind of direction that this country needs.”

      • Didn’t say I liked her. I don’t. I’ve always thought she was way the fuck too centrist and GOP-friendly for a California Senator.

        But if anyone thinks a hotly contested Dem primary campaign with an incumbent being targeted won’t increase the chances of a GOP upset win, they’re mistaken.

        • Tread

          True, but seeing as she comes from liberal as fuck San Francisco… Actually you’re right. I just dislike her for her centrist/almost right-wing tendencies.

          • Just how I feel. Mind, I don’t think there’s a very high chance of a GOP win in Cali. But any chance is too high these days.

          • downtownla

            This is the problem. You are basing your positions off of fear. That is never a good emotion to lead with. The Republicans aren’t afraid of shit. They just do whatever they want and they get away with it. Democrats need to have more chutzpah. Our positions are better. More people support our policies. We need to go out and fight for them. We are the on the right side and we need to start acting more like it.

      • BobSF_94117

        Do you have any doubt whatsoever that she would rip Donald Trump to shreds if given a chance?

        Who cares what she said to the fucking Commonwealth Club on one occasion. She will lead Trump’s impeachment.

        • Yes, as I say above, as ranking Democratic member of Judiciary committee and also Intelligence committee —

      • Our constitution calls for the following —-
        –The House, not the Senate votes for Impeachment. All it takes it a majority of House members. Senators should not be calling for Impeachment since they serve as judges in such an event — and 2/3 of Senators have to vote to remove a President from office (which never in our history has happened) and probably never will, since any President will probably (like Nixon) resign first.
        — Feinstein should not be calling for Trump’s impeachment now in public, as head of Judiciary. It is improper. If he is impeached, she will probably, as leading Democrat, be leading the case to remove him him from office.
        — Feinstein knows quite a bit as ranking member of the Intelligence Committee. In fact, she knows more than any Democrat — information that she cannot reveal.
        –Feinstein’s clout with centrist Republicans will be crucial in removing Trump once the Mueller and other classified investigations we do not even know about are finished. These will take more time.
        She is the most important Democrat in the Senate now (with Schumer) — she has to play by Constitutional rules.

  • Pollos Hermanos

    With California’s jungle primary system it’s a win/win either way for the Democratic party.

    The top two primary vote getters will face off next November. It’ll probably be Feinstein and DeLeon. No Republican can possibly win here.

    • Ninja0980

      And that fact alone will hurt Republican turnout.

      • Pollos Hermanos

        Yep. I live in Rohrabacher’s district and he’s on the verge of being tossed out. I think 2018 will be his demise.

        • Tread

          Thank the fucking stars above. Talk about an anti-American fuckwad.

        • That is assuming Bobby Three Sticks* doesn’t have some collusion & conspiracy charges racked away against him, which would be delicious.

          (* = Robert Mueller III)

        • sfbob

          He can accompany Darrell Issa to the exit door. That would be delicious.

          • TimCA

            I live in Issa’s district. Did a lot of volunteer work for Applegate. Very disappointing outcome. Hopefully next year will be the end of Darrel!

          • Robincho

            Nothing could be nissa
            Than to see the end of Issa…

          • TimCA

            before tomarrah mor-o-or-nin’!

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Thank you for your service, TimCA!

        • TimCA

          Rohrbacher is really vulnerable but I won’t take anything for granted. Clinton did manage to win the 48th barely but just barely. Hopefully with a massively angered Dem base there won’t be a falloff of Democratic participation in 2018 midterm and that POS will finally be taken out.
          Fingers crossed!

          • Pollos Hermanos

            The district is an interesting mix. Anything North of the 55 freeway is extremely Democratic. South is suburban GOP who aren’t huge fans of Trump.

    • gaycuckhubby

      If none of the candidates are raving lunatics then I support more democratic candidates in the primary. Neither of these candidates seems to be problematic I’d be okay with either.

    • TimCA

      Not necessarily….

    • Phillip in L.A.

      You’re not saying California’s Congressional Districts have been gerrymandered by the California legislature, are you, Pollos Hermanos?

      (That IS my shocked face, btw.)

      • Pollos Hermanos

        Our districts are decided by a non partisan board now. That was voted in a few years back.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          OK, just checking!

  • Henry Auvil

    I’m a big admirer of Senator Feinstein. I first met her at a small fundraiser party in a Marina district apartment when she was running for SF City Commission. She won, and was there to try and stop the flow of blood from the bullet holes in Commissioner Harvey Milk. I’ve cheered her advancement and accomplishments ever since. Exposing the dirt on the horrid intelligence criminality of the Bush administration was one of her finest. That said, maybe it’s time for the grand dame to step down, and enjoy what’s left of her 80s with her very rich family. xo

  • teeveedub

    Step 1: Primary the Democratic incumbent because they’re not pure enough.
    Step 2: Split the Democratic vote.
    Step 3: When incumbent wins the primary, storm off in a huff and either stay home on election day or vote for the Republican.
    Step 4: Sit back and watch the Democratic candidate weaken and get stuck with a far worse Republican alternative.

    Hmmm. Now where have I seen this before?

    • Tread

      Yeah, but in this case, it’s not about purity. It’s about standing up to Donald Trump and disarming his dangerous as fuck presidency from doing more harm to more Americans and the world. Dianne Feinstein has rolled over for Trump and I can not tolerate that.

    • The_Wretched

      The left is not primarying when they should be. Pretty much all of the primarying of the incumbants has been by TeaParty / oligaric tools of the elites. You wouldn’t be doing a false equivalency would you?

    • pch1013

      This is California. There almost certainly isn’t going to be a Republican in the general.

    • sfbob

      California’s primary system is unusual (probably unique actually). The top two vote getters in the primary, regardless of party, advance to the election. For the most part that has meant it’s either two Democrats or two Republicans. In the most recent Senate race, Kamala Harris’s primary opponent followed her into the election. What’s likely to happen is that in the actual election Feinstein will be running against whichever (more progressive) Democratic primary opponent did best.

      Clinton carried California with 60% of the vote; registered Democrats significantly outnumber registered Republicans. It’s actually quite unlikely that we’ll be electing a Republican to the Senate anytime soon.

  • another_steve

    If the Democratic Party moves too far to the left à la Bernie Sanders, it’ll wander the wilderness for another decade at least.

    • gaycuckhubby

      You only say these things because you want Jared to like you.

      • another_steve

        No. I don’t care whether Jared likes me. I want him to obey me.

        “Liking” is optional.

    • The_Wretched

      Oh the horrors of focusing on the health, education and well being of the citizens! If every one is fed, that’ll be the end of us all.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Yes Steve, stop trying to starve hungry children!

        • The_Wretched

          the kicker for me on the Bernie derangement syndrome is the lack of concern about his policy positions (vs his politicing, which is bad). His policy stuff is low hanging fruit that most of Europe passed decades ago. It’s not radical. It’s not extreme.

          • Tread

            Funny. The same thing could be said about Hillary Clinton’s policy positions, which BernieBots consistently lied about.

          • The_Wretched

            right, until and unless you show some understanding of the politics of bernie supporters (at least so far as the primary went), I’m very comfortable dismissing your broadbrush ‘insights’.

            1. Bernie is a terribad politician. he’s much too interested in being an iconoclast vs getting things done. TBFH that’s mostly on him but the dem establishment hasn’t exactly been nice to him over the years.
            2. Some bernie supporters are great people who have compassion and realistic implementation ideas. (this is an undenyable truism).
            3. Some Bernie supporters are russian trolls. They do it to sew division.
            4. Some Bernie supporters are utter freaking loons. Total batshit types. they don’t vote Dem and never wil
            5. Some Bernie supporters are Republican trolls
            6. Some Bernie supporters are Democrats who are tired of the Dems endless moves to the political right and just want to see the Dem party of the 80s back again.

            So – the bots, who are they? 2-6, choose.

            Keep in mind I’ve tentatively pigeonholed you as a provocateur who is just out to lace the comments section with discord.

      • another_steve

        Oh stop it, you big drama queen.

        The Democratic Party can and should focus on those things, but in a way that will resonate with a majority of voters.

        Most voters don’t want revolution.

        Revolution interferes with their Friday night bingo games and their Sunday afternoon football.

        • The_Wretched

          So which bernie policy ideas do you think are revolutionary?

          • another_steve

            In general, political control of the economy (a.k.a. “Socialism”) is a revolutionary concept to the vast majority of Americans. The United States of America doesn’t operate under Socialist economic principles. Even Sanders’ modified, “Democratic Socialism.”

            Which is not to say that Socialism is a bad thing – only that it doesn’t resonate with the vast majority of Americans.

          • CottonBlimp

            You grew up at a time when the USSR was a great big boogeyman and anti-socialist propaganda was unrelenting and omnipresent. Socialism isn’t scary for the upcoming generation. They don’t associate it with the horrors of living in Russia. They associate it with the humble, functional democracies in Scandinavia, while they see first hand how dysfunctional conservative capitalism is.

          • TimCA

            No offense CB, my generation (mid 50s) is not dead yet. I do not identify as a socialist but am a reliable part of the Democratic base. I think I’m astute enough however to know what to do when left alone in a voting booth with the options of a Sanders vs a Trump/Pence/Romney/Cruz/Rubio etc. But I’m not so sure that’s uniformly true for many in my age cohort. If the word socialist is a turn off for me, I think it would be even more so for others of my age bracket with more moderate political tendencies. Remember, older people vote at disproportionately higher rates than folks of your generation. Just my 2 cents worth. 🙂

    • stevenj

      Feinstein is enormously popular in Calif. Since the Republicans can’t seem to win state offices and she is centrist she also appeals to moderate Republicans. Also, DeLeon is not Sanders.

  • Lazycrockett
    • The_Wretched

      Looks like a part II. Part I was the political right asking every venue to turn on Fox News. Look where that got us.

      And fox is neutral? wth.

    • AmeriCanadian

      I suspect that the hotel is “preaching to the choir” in that the guests are already rabid (and vapid) Drumpf supporters and thus Faux News watchers.

  • Adam King

    I’m sick of billionaires and multimillionaires running for high political office. Let them start low on the political ladder like any newbie would and work their way up based on their record, not on their ability to donate money.

    • pch1013

      Not sure whom you’re targeting with that comment, but Dianne Feinstein started her political career as a member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. Which is pretty low on the political ladder.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I think he probably meant tom steyer

      • Adam King

        From the OP: “Tom Steyer, the billionaire environmentalist and single largest Democratic donor, is “very much looking at the Senate race,” a source close to him said.”

    • Tread

      Which is really sad, because Ameya Pawar dropped out of the Illinois Governor’s race today. He’s an amazing alderman in Chicago (I’m biased, he’s mine) and would have been an incredible progressive voice for Illinois and for the country at large. I truly hope he isn’t done with politics and takes a shot at Rahm Emanuel.

  • Adam Stevens

    As a Californian, this doesn’t bother me at all. It is time for some younger leadership in our country.

    If you can’t attach a kitten pic to an email message without asking for your assistant’s help, it’s time to go.

  • greenmanTN

    IMO we need more Hispanic voices in the Senate, as well as other minorities and Feinstein just seems to me to be too entrenched. There is no fire in the belly; she seems too willing to concede and acquiesce. (Admittedly I am not a student of her career, these are just general impressions.)

  • BeaverTales

    The DNC is moribund and needs new ideas and leadership. After Howard Dean’s 50 state strategy helped get Obama elected in states Democrats hadn’t won for 20-30 years (Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana!), he was rewarded by being tossed out on his ass in favor of a far less competent successor who did nothing but divide the party into the acrimonious mess it is now. Nothing much has changed since 2008 except that Perez took over from Wasserman.

    Losing both the Senate and the House was the biggest accomplishment of Congressional Democrats who put more effort into chasing Wall Street money than connecting with grassroots voters in their own base. The incompetent DNC leadership responded by pursuing a losing strategy and purging everyone who dared disagree with the priorities of a small number of high density urban states.

    We need to stop running candidates who peaked 20 or 30 years ago and have become such entrenched incumbents who barely even speak to their own constituents. Let’s look for new demographics, new people and new ideas so that when redistricting occurs in 2020 the Party doesn’t go the way of the dinosaurs, continually snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory in all but the bluest of blue states…

    Feinstein has a great work ethic and was a great Senator but she needs to go. 90 years old is too old to be a party firebrand, but she’ll make an awesome elder statesman.

    • The_Wretched

      a yup. time to roll some dice. The current circumstances are crystalized in a failing posture.

      • greenmanTN

        How can you foster new voices and new talent for the national stage when the old guard refuses to step aside?

        • The_Wretched

          Senate seniority priviledges are real and good for the States who have long serving senators. That said, every week McDonnel the turtle is tearing up one norm after another (dem ‘blue slips’ this time around). We need people who will be creative.

    • BobSF_94117

      Senators ARE elder statesmen. And those “priorities of a small number of high density urban states” happen to include gay rights, environmental concerns, infrastructure and a living wage, so, sure, let’s stop all that…

      • BeaverTales

        No, you can’t be elected into being an elder states(wo)man merely by winning election to the Senate. They need hard earned experience and the wisdom of knowing how to adapt with the changing times.

        The living wage is meaningless when you don’t address the global economic inequality brought to us by TBTFs.

        Gay rights will always lose when you allow scamvangelists to set up religious institutions whose sole purpose is to fleece taxpayers. Tax reform should never have been dictated by Generation Reagan…Voodoo economics and outsourcing has failed all but 1% of the US population.

        In resource based economies, you can’t just destroy an entire industrial sector by turning everything into a national forest and not replace it with anything else.

        Even in big blue states, the average American making an average salary can’t afford the average house. People are understandably pissed.

        Rural states can’t adapt to the global economy if they can’t compete with urban areas for tech jobs, research grants and modern infrastructure. Most students can’t even afford to live within commuting distance of a good university in most blue states, much less afford tuition.

        When all Democrats move to the same ~12 states, then we’ll have 38 states that never vote with them because of the economic inequality, you can kiss Congress and the electoral college goodbye forever.

      • Ken M

        Whether it should matter or not, she will be 85 next year, and 92 when she’s up again. Both sides will use her age against her. It might benefit CA to go with someone else. I’ve heard arguments about the risk/danger of putting in someone new after her amazing history. Guys/gals, that history will end in 7 years and you will be getting a first timer anyway.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Isn’t the 2020 primary going to be so much fun!!!

    • Oh, Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, The Green Party Lefties, and Right Wing money funding Bernie Bros (real or bots) in 2020 will see to it!

  • Diane Feinstein has two things going for her which are good for California-
    1. Seniority (the Senate for better or worst works by seniority on committee assignments. Feinstein is ranking Democrat on Judiciary, Intelligence (I believe) and part of Chuck Schumer’s leadership. A new Democrat would not take her place.
    2. Respect among Republicans. She, for example, is who McCain reportedly smiled at when he voted to save Obamacare. And do not think for one second that she (and reportedly Joe Biden) did not lobby him to save the day for millions of Americans who relied on his hero stance at the end last month (like myself) to save their health insurance from Trump and McConnell’s filthy hands. .
    — California is not considered a swing state in elections. It is a blue state. For better or worse, no Presidential candidate is going to cater to it with pet projects promises to get its electoral votes (similar to New York for that matter). If, God Forbid, a major earthquake were to hit California, President Trump and the Republican Party. would give the state a big finger in promising it reconstruction aide and not suffer for it in 2020.
    -Feinstein’s clout in the Senate which reaches across the other side would be helpful in protecting the state in such an event. If you do not think this is a big deal, you do not know the way our Senate (unfortunately) works —

    • Tor

      I agree with all you say. However, how do we get the next generation elected? Feinstein has been such a powerhouse for so long, there is no one to follow.

      • I am not up on California politics these days, I live in Florida. I used to live in SF — we face a situation here where incumbent centrist Democratic Senator Bill Nelson is up against scumbag Republican Governor Rick Scott and they are close in the polls. Bill Nelson will be 76 next year — but lucky for us, no one is primarying him so far — he is our best shot of holding this seat. Someone else is better qualified than myself to answer.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I appreciate the seniority factor but I also worry about creating an experienced next generation to take over.

  • Publius

    I don’t think he has enough name recognition to win. If I still lived in California, I would vote for Senator Feinstein again in a heartbeat. She’s pissed just about everyone off from time to time, but she’s an effective institutionalist who gets shit done.

    • The_Wretched

      oh dear god(s).

  • JCF

    May the best Dem win—but PARTY UNITY above anything else!

    • You would think that Democrats could hold off killing each other in the face of Donald Trump/Vladimir Putin, Steve Bannon and his Neo Nazis, and and Paul Ryan’s Congressional Republican Party as our common enemies wouldn’t you? I had a nightmare that the new “Leave it to Beaver” would look like this — how can I have the hots for Wally if he is in a brownshirt??? https://youtu.be/35xdjXaiVgc

  • TimCA

    Yes, let’s encourage a few Democrats to enter the primary (note sarcasm). We already have DeLeon and quite possibly Steyer, who can buy himself some name recognition quickly. Maybe add another Democrat or two just to really f things up. Then the Dem vote is effectively split. Add to that the Green and P&F candidates who can usually be counted on to draw off a combined 2 or 3 plus % of the vote. Enter just TWO KNOWN Republican office holders maybe an Ashley Swearengin, Janet Nguyen or a Rocky Chavez or a Melissa Melendez (not the Republican gadfly nobodies who ran in 2016) and VOILA! Your two top vote-getters in the jungle primary might very well be Republicans and we’ve just now managed to elect California’s next GOP Senator! Far fetched scenario? Hmmm maybe, maybe not. I don’t want to find out.

    There will be no substantial difference in the voting habits of a Feinstein vs any other potential Democrat elected despite what anybody might tell you. Let Feinstein run and use her massive campaign war chest to help elect Democrats elsewhere in more marginal areas.

    • SoCalGal20

      CA has jungle primaries for statewide office. So, yes, it’s possible Dianne won’t win but more than likely two Dems will get the top number of votes just like what happened in Kamala Harris’s race.

      • TimCA

        If the Democratic vote in the primary is split enough to ensure that the two top vote getters are Republicans, it would be the two Republicans moving on to the general election in November.

        • SoCalGal20

          I could be wrong but based on last year’s primary, and given the current Republican shitshow in Washington, I don’t think that’s going to happen.

          This is what happened in the primary last year. (And there a bunch more candidates I could get in this screenshot)

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38a61613ae856800ab8cafc40518271cc2413d5a78df9bb6b6b361776c5681ac.png

          • TimCA

            Check out my post again. Particularly the part about “Republican gadfly nobodies who ran in 2016”.

          • TimCA

            PS-We’ll have to do dinner again once I’m back south. I should be home late next week sometime. We could do our old standbys but I’d be into looking at some new options as well. 🙂

          • SoCalGal20

            I’m all for new options. Just give a holler when you’re back in town! 😀

  • Ken M

    Gonna get heat for this. She will be 85 by next year’s elections. That means 92 when she’s up again. She would be better off backing her current opposition and enjoying the rest of her life, then burning herself out over the next 7 years. Although she would be the senator for CA. The rest of the nation, and the DNC, will have their constituents looking for their “desire to change things” ideology and an 85 yo candidate on the ticket. People don’t just look at their own states anymore. If the current Congress had taught the people one thing, it’s the difference that 1-2 votes can make, especially in the Senate. Good thing times change http://www.vintagecomputing.com/wp-content/images/retroscan/Packard_Bell_Legend_650_Plus_large.jpg circa 1992, The first year of the WWW. The first time she ran for Senate.

  • andrew

    I think Senator Feinstein has had a good run as senator and helped advance many progressive goals, and now it is time for the 85 year old to step aside and pass the torch to the next generation. Kevin De Leon, with his experience in the California Legislature sounds like he may be a good replacement. I would be less inclined to support Tom Steyer, the billionaire environmentalist, because the super rich already have too large a voice in our nations future.

    • TimCA

      DiFi is 84, not 85. 😉

      • andrew

        Well in that case the young woman should definitely seek another 6 year term. LOL.

  • kirby7771

    So is Feinstein one of those on the Hill who is taking those Alzheimers drugs? I couldn’t help but wonder.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Well, she is running as an octogenarian for reelection next year, right?

  • Piet

    I have long thought she was too much a centrist, but I’m not yet convinced De Leon or any other outright progressive can win statewide. We in the liberal areas are insulated from the conservatism of the north state/south state/Central Valley voters Feinstein has had to balance in her representation all these years. My interests are nothing like what cranks up a Kern County voter. I’d love to see Maxine Waters as Senator and Barbara Lee as Speaker, but that’s not going to fly with most of the state’s voters even considering the disillusion many of them are feeling over the current administration.

  • pablo

    Good. I hope he wins. Some of us haven’t forgotten how DiFi repeatedly rolled over for GWB, while making Obama struggle to get anything done in his first two years when the dems controlled congress.

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    It is time for Senator Feinstein to honorably pass the torch to the next generation – by not running for reelection in 2018. Thank you.

    • SDG

      Agreed…

  • kladinvt

    Feinstein should step aside and let a younger generation take the reigns, since the bulk of the Party leaders are geriatric at this point.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Senator Feinstein has been drifting to the right like many other Third Rail er Way Dems. Nancy Pelosi scolding us with, “Impeachment is off the table” caused me to rethink my support and if hold my nose voting was really the best.