Anti-Hillary YouTubers Were On Kremlin Payroll

The Daily Beast reports:

According to the YouTube page for “Williams and Kalvin,” the Clintons are “serial killers who are going to rape the whole nation.” Donald Trump can’t be racist because he’s a “businessman.” Hillary Clinton’s campaign was “fund[ed] by the Muslim.”

These are a sample of the videos put together by two black video bloggers calling themselves Williams and Kalvin Johnson, whose social media pages investigators say are part of the broad Russian campaign to influence American politics. Across Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube, they purported to offer “a word of truth” to African-American audiences.

“We, the black people, we stand in one unity. We stand in one to say that Hillary Clinton is not our candidate,” one of the men says in a November video that warned Clinton “is going to stand for the Muslim. We don’t stand for her.”

In one of their videos, Hillary is called an “old racist bitch.” The duo had 48,000 followers on Facebook alone. Their YouTube channel has apparently been self-deleted or banned since the above-linked story was published. Hit the link for much more and let us know if you can place their accent.

  • Kelly Lape

    Nothing to see here. Move along. No sense investigating Russia, after all it’s only the soul of our Democracy at stake.

  • Blake J Butler
  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    Who are these Nigerians/Ghanaians?

    • Ernest Endevor

      People from Nigeria or Ghana. Between now and 2050 more than half of global population growth will be in Africa: i.e. 1.3 billion. One quarter of the world’s population will be African. I very much doubt that the US will still be a world power.

  • Lawerence Collins

    This was wrong. Plain and simple.
    But the DNC was no better. They rigged the system. Just so Billary would win.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e8cdaf1fd754e18707531caf2144d785ef2ad507088c7531cfe54d4918985697.jpg

    I voted against toxic thug trump. I voted for her more subtle corruption.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Seriously? You want us to take that bullshit list seriously?

      • leastyebejudged

        You lack the integrity to counter it, because most of the points are accurate.

        You’re a coward and a liar.

        And your own conscious haunts you, as it well should.
        You think things are bad now ? You’ve made the future exponentially worse by doubling down with your idiocy.

        You stupid, stupid c*nt.

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      To borrow a line from a lousy Secretary of State, you’re a moron.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        That’s unkind to morons.

      • Lizard

        Now, now…it’s “fucking moron.”

    • Publius

      Delete your account.

      • HZ81

        Troll gotta troll.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Hey! I was told I was the resident troll this morning.

          Pouts

          • edrex

            chin up! the day is young.

    • HZ81

      Rigged primary = basic math fail.

    • MBear

      LOL

    • tbj5

      I can’t wait for the 2016 Democratic Primaries to end.

      • pch1013

        The 2020 Democratic primary has already begun – if the steadily increasing stream of “progressive” attacks against Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are any indication.

        • Publius

          I’m partial to Kamala Harris. She was a kickass, innovative, and solutions-based DA of SF, and brought that energy to her role as AG. Her experience prepped her well for the Senate, and I think altogether she’s ready for a run. I’d love to vote for her again, except next time on the big ticket.

          • UrsusArctos

            I like what I hear about her from my CA friends. There’s the occasional “She’s aggressive and aiming for high office”. My thoughts on that are she damned well better be if she’s even toying with running.

          • Publius

            This, all of this. In general, I have no problem with ambitious politicians. I think the biggest downfall many ambitious politicians have, though, is being excessively calculating and lacking boldness. A few like Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are quite different, they’ve shown us their games faces.

        • pch1013

          Stupid Russian troll doesn’t understand how the “block” feature works. Stupid troll is stupid.

          • UrsusArctos

            Leading into the election, they diddled Disqus so you couldn’t block/ignore/flag trolling. That’s part of why I dumped my account on the Nov 9th. I regret doing that because it also killed my comment history. Live/learn.

      • GayOldLady

        I blocked “lawerence” during the election and I rarely block anyone. He was a rabid berner who came here with all the Alt-right, breitbart, anti-Hillary tropes. I thought he was a ratfucker then and even though I can’t read his comment today, I can guess what he said by the responses to him. BLOCK HIM

        • UrsusArctos

          I don’t block much but spammers, but I tend to disengage from that type. I leave them unblocked in large part to see how people whose opinion I value react to them. My vague thoughts about where “SoAndSo” is coming from is firmed up a lot of the time by this. I understand someone blocking if it’s more convenient than their head constantly exploding from trolls pissing them off.

    • Tim Adams

      Amusing post, comrade. Is very funny, such list.l

      • pch1013

        “Lawerence”

        Silly Russian troll can’t even spell “its” own name correctly.

        • pch1013

          The only person on FB with the username “Lawerence Collins” [sic] has a friends list containing many Russians.

          Q. E. fucking D.

    • Lazycrockett

      Shouldn’t you be posting sexist rants bout Feinstein and Harris?

    • clay

      #4 & #8– The ghost-writer of the Dodd-Frank regulations, which the GOP Congress aims to remove, was on Hillary’s campaign committee.

      • Lazycrockett

        TPP was a good thing no matter how Bernie cried bout it. Fucking POS.

    • Bluto

      So you justify treason by arguing that Clinton would of done the same. Fuck off.

      • leastyebejudged

        You and your up-voters are so fucking stupid that they don’t even know the definition of treason.

        Kill yourselves.

    • Pip

      I hope you find the right amount of medication to handle your illness.

      • Reality.Bites

        The Europeans won’t sell drugs used in lethal injections anymore

    • MonochromeMouse

      No the DNC did not rig the primaries. Bernie was just an unpopular candidate. He had no clear message other than “Shit’s fucked up yo” and communicated no plan whatsoever to fix it. He was basically the democrat version of trump.

      • Blake J Butler

        I just block people like him, just let them ramble on and on in their own universe. They loved bernie like trump lovers love trump anyone else that isn’t infatuated with them in their own circles, is seen as a traitor.

        make any criticisms about either and you get vile comments thrown back at you either way. I didn’t love Obama or Hillary to the extent people like that guy does with bernie. Theres more to life than bernie sanders and the same applies to baby huey and his cult.

        • Tomcat

          I write down the name and the second time they spout off they are gone. The first time they might have just been having a bad day and want to vent.

          • Blake J Butler

            Not with me, a cult is a cult, you can love sanders if you want, but if you can’t accept criticism of bernie that is valid, and name call people because they aren’t obsessed with him to the extent people are to where anything against him is a lie and not true. Devoid of reality and facts.

          • UrsusArctos

            Amen. I liked a LOT of Bernie’s positions in the primaries. I liked that he didn’t have 35± years of RWNJ hate banked up against him. I liked that he’s a natural campaigner. I liked that he ISN’T a Clinton.
            DESPITE all that, adults had to see the choice in the general and vote HRC or be prepared to defend their decision not to. All the pissing/moaning about rigging, etc is a distraction to avoid accepting responsibility for their actions.
            I voted Bernie in the primary as a “fuck you” to the DNC/Wasserman/Corporatist Dems AND voted HRC in the general. I felt good about both votes because they steered the country toward a better place.

        • leastyebejudged

          You’re such a cowardly little weasel.

    • matrem

      Get a job.

      • pch1013

        This *is* its job.

        • matrem

          They claim to live in the Bay Area. If they can afford to live here on a troll’s salary, perhaps I’m in the long line of work.

    • edrex

      do you hand those out in the tenderloin on your days off?

    • Since idiots never learn here once again is the facts about a number of things,
      http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
      Easily the most ridiculous argument this year was that the DNC was some sort of monolith that orchestrated the nomination of Hillary Clinton against the will of “the people.” This was immensely popular with the Bernie-or-Busters, those who declared themselves unwilling to vote for Clinton under any circumstances because the Democratic primary had been rigged (and how many of these people laughed when Trump started moaning about election rigging?). The notion that the fix was in was stupid, as were the people who believed it.Start with this: The DNC, just like the Republican National Committee, is an impotent organization with very little power. It is composed of the chair and vice chair of the Democratic parties of each state, along with over 200 members elected by Democrats. What it does is fundraise, organize the Democratic National Convention and put together the party platform. It handles some organizational activity but tries to hold down its expenditures during the primaries; it has no authority to coordinate spending with any candidate until the party’s nominee is selected. This was why then-President Richard Nixon reacted with incredulity when he heard that some of his people had ordered a break-in at the DNC offices at the Watergate; he couldn’t figure out what information anyone would want out of such a toothless organization.

      The first big criticism this year was that the DNC had sponsored “only” six debates between Clinton and Bernie Sanders in some sort of conspiracy to impede the Vermont senator. This rage was built on ignorance: The DNC at first announced it would sponsor six debates in 2016, just as it had in 2008 and 2004. (In 2012, Barack Obama was running for re-election. Plus, while the DNC announced it would sponsor six debates in 2008, only five took place.) Debates cost money, and the more spent on debates, the less available for the nominee in the general election. Plus, there is a reasonable belief among political experts that allowing the nominees to tear each other down over and over undermines their chances in the general election, which is exactly what happened with the Republicans in 2012.Still, in the face of rage by Sanders supporters, the number of DNC-sponsored debates went up to nine—more than have been held in almost 30 years. Plans for a 10th one, scheduled for May 24, were abandoned after it became mathematically impossible for Sanders to win the nomination.

      Notice that these were only DNC-sponsored debates. There were also 13 forums, sponsored by other organizations. So that’s 22 debates and forums, of which 14 were only for two candidates, Clinton and Sanders. Compare that with 2008: there were 17 debates and forums with between six and eight candidates; only six with two candidates, less than half the number in 2016. This was a big deal why?The next conspiracy theory embraced by Bernie-or-Busters was that the DNC-sponsored debates were all held on nights no one would watch. Two took place on a Saturday, two on Sunday, three on a Thursday, one on a Tuesday and one on a Wednesday. In 2008, the DNC scheduled two on a Monday (one was canceled), and one each on a Sunday, Wednesday, Tuesday and Thursday. Not including any of the 2016 forums, there were 72 million viewers for the DNC-sponsored debates, almost the same amount—75 million viewers—as there were for every debate in 2008, including those sponsored by other organizations. And those Saturday debates, which Sanders fans howled no one would watch, were the third- and fifth-most watched debates (one of them was 3 percent away from being the fourth-most watched).

      In other words, the argument that the DNC rigged the debates is, by any rational analysis, garbage. For those who still believe it, hats made of tin foil are available on Amazon.Next, the infamous hack of DNC emails that “proved” the organization had its thumb on the scale for Clinton. Perhaps nothing has been more frustrating for people in the politics business to address, because the conspiracy is based on ignorance.Almost every email that set off the “rigged” accusations was from May 2016. (One was in late April; I’ll address that below.) Even in the most ridiculous of dream worlds, Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3—at that point, he needed 984 more pledged delegates, but there were only 933 available in the remaining contests. And political pros could tell by the delegate math that the race was over on April 19, since a victory would require him to win almost every single delegate after that, something no rational person could believe. Sanders voters proclaimed that superdelegates, elected officials and party regulars who controlled thousands of votes, could flip their support and instead vote for the candidate with the fewest votes. In other words, they wanted the party to overthrow the will of the majority of voters. That Sanders fans were wishing for an establishment overthrow of the electorate more common in banana republics or dictatorships is obscene. (One side note: Sanders supporters also made a big deal out of the fact that many of the superdelegates had expressed support for Clinton early in the campaign. They did the same thing in 2008, then switched to Obama when he won the most pledged delegates. Same thing would have happened with Sanders if he had persuaded more people to vote for him.)
      This is important because it shows Sanders supporters were tricked into believing a false narrative. Once only one candidate can win the nomination, of course the DNC gets to work on that person’s behalf. Of course emails from that time would reflect support for the person who would clearly be the nominee. And given that their jobs are to elect Democrats, of course DNC officials were annoyed that Sanders would not tell his followers he could not possibly be the nominee. Battling for the sake of battling gave his supporters a false belief that they could still win—something that added to their increasingly embittered feelings.According to a Western European intelligence source, Russian hackers, using a series of go-betweens, transmitted the DNC emails to WikiLeaks with the intent of having them released on the verge of the Democratic Convention in hopes of sowing chaos. And that’s what happened—just a couple of days before Democrats gathered in Philadelphia, the emails came out, and suddenly the media was loaded with stories about trauma in the party. Crews of Russian propagandists—working through an array of Twitter accounts and websites, started spreading the story that the DNC had stolen the election from Sanders. (An analysis provided to Newsweek by independent internet and computer specialists using a series of algorithms show that this kind of propaganda, using the same words, went from Russian disinformation sources to comment sections on more than 200 sites catering to liberals, conservatives, white supremacists, nutritionists and an amazing assortment of other interest groups.) The fact that the dates of the most controversial emails—May 3, May 4, May 5, May 9, May 16, May 17, May 18, May 21—were after it was impossible for Sanders to win was almost never mentioned, and was certainly ignored by the propagandists trying to sell the “primaries were rigged” narrative. (Yes, one of them said something inappropriate about his religious beliefs. So a guy inside the DNC was a jerk; that didn’t change the outcome.) Two other emails—one from April 24 and May 1—were statements of fact. In the first, responding to Sanders saying he would push for a contested convention (even though he would not have the delegates to do so), a DNC official wrote, “So much for a traditional presumptive nominee.” Yeah, no kidding. The second stated that Sanders didn’t know what the DNC’s job actually was—which he didn’t, apparently because he had not ever been a Democrat before his run.Bottom line: The “scandalous” DNC emails were hacked by people working with the Kremlin, then misrepresented online by Russian propagandists to gullible fools who never checked the dates of the documents. And the media, which in the flurry of breathless stories about the emails would occasionally mention that they were all dated after any rational person knew the nomination was Clinton’s, fed into the misinformation.In the real world, here is what happened: Clinton got 16.9 million votes in the primaries, compared with 13.2 million for Sanders. The rules were never changed to stop him, even though Sanders supporters started calling for them to be changed as his losses piled up.

    • Tomcat

      Gee, which one of the two was a DEMOCRAT?????

    • Tomcat

      Here is one of them thar bots.

    • joe ho

      lol. Your mental illness isn’t being well treated.

      You need to change care providers.

      • leastyebejudged

        Another well reasoned intelligent argument from a HRC supporter.

        • joe ho

          lol. You far-left fucktards are incapable of recognizing an intelligent argument. So that’s a non-starter.

          • leastyebejudged

            I’m not far-left, I’m a moderate.

            You’re a serial liar here.

          • joe ho

            lol. more of your lying nonsense. self-awareness is not one of your attributes. just like your judge not bull shit.

            one thing’s sure though. you’re a worthless piece of shit. through and through.

    • joe ho

      This kind of far-left lunacy is why we can’t have nice things in the US.

      Third-term elections are hard to win. The far-left Che Guevara wannabes are aware of this and do their best to sabotage. 2000. 2016.

      They are despicable. They work against sustainable progressive change.

      • leastyebejudged

        You’re OK with the fraud and lying and thievery and profiteering, we get that.

        You’re just like the right in that respect.

        • joe ho

          lol. We get that you’re living in a world of infantile expectations of absolute purity, divorced from reality. That’s why you guys should delete yourself. You’re divorced from reality. So you sabotage and bring about a worse result.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Hello comrade “Lawrence.” How are moose and squirel?

      • UrsusArctos

        At least he says he did the adult thing and voted HRC in the general. I think the image is the kind of crap that swayed immatures/low info voters who either sat 16 out with hurt fe-fes or worse voted for the Russian stalking horses.

        • leastyebejudged

          My husband and I feel no loyalty to the party at all now, so Democrats are going to have to work REAL hard for our votes.

          And we’re NOT going to help next round, like we did the last, we’re NOT going to go door to door, we’re NOT going to spend hundreds of hours convincing people to vote Dem.

          You don’t deserve our loyalty.

    • HAAAAAAA
    • Scopedog
    • leastyebejudged

      They don’t want to hear it, and they’ve disrespected SO MANY people that worked on her campaign and voted for her.

      Democrats are going to be in for an even bigger, uglier surprise when all the people they keep insulting that helped them finally wake up and ditch the party entirely.

      And they’ll wail and blame it on everybody but the people most responsible for their failures.

      THEMSELVES.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Not surprising. CNN reported that Russia also paid for fake black lives matters ads targeted towards the white neighborhoods close to Ferguson

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • TimCA

    Let’s face facts, America. We were under attack and the fruit of that attack now occupies our White House.

    • worstcultever

      Correction – we were and STILL ARE under attack. See (e.g.) NFL and Pooty’s bots – etc etc

      • pj

        the point is to destabalize the US ….to make us less of a global influence. and the moron has no control of what is happening. thats why putin loves him. the moron is a patsy who only cares about money.

        • David Walker

          Sorry. I don’t mean to quibble, but I think it’s actually “fucking moron.” And if it isn’t, it should be.

      • bkmn

        The NFL, DACA and soon Sessions going after recreational pot are intended to distract from the crap that Trump and his Cabinet are doing behind closed doors, as well as distractions from the growing Russian interference as Mueller’s probe widens and widens. He will be increasingly mean and petty as the noose tightens.

  • clay

    One sixth of Muslims in the United States are African-American.

  • Lazycrockett

    Has everyone sold their soul to destroy democracy for a few couple of Putin’s rubles?

    • worstcultever

      Not everyone – but it only takes a handful

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      Go listen to one of their videos. I’m convinced these are former Nigerian scam emailers who happily took a pay bump.

  • tbj5
  • HZ81

    But let’s live with the results of this election because… something.

  • Blake J Butler

    The one that is racist is fucking around in the white house as we speak.

    As i said assholes exist in all forms, selfishness and greed are what some are after, and it doesn’t matter if you’re a woman, black, latino, LGBT, etc. People will serve their own selfish interests at the expense of their own communities and hurt them in the process.

  • Steverino

    OT: Hubby and I are safe at our home in southeast Santa Rosa. The entire northern part of town has been evacuated, as well as a section east of town. No word yet about the Fountaingrove Lodge, the LGBT retirement and care facility, but it is in the evacuation zone where hundreds of houses have been destroyed. And to think we almost bought a house in the fire area last December. We could have been homeless now, or worse.

    • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn

      stay safe!

    • TimCA

      I’m visiting my mom on the Peninsula. We could smell the smoke since before sunrise. Early this morning around 6 AM I went to work out in San Mateo and when I exited the gym there was a fine ash noticeable on my car. For those unfamiliar with the Bay Area this is (I’m guessing) a good 75 linear miles away.

      • Steverino

        That’s about right for the distance. Needless to say, the smoke here is awful. Sun almost totally blocked out, very eerie.

        And to think when we woke up this morning, our first thought was Trump did something stupid and started a war. It’s what the devastated sections of Santa Rosa looks like. And this is a city of 165,000 people.

        • pch1013

          I’m sure Trump will be issuing a victim-blaming statement any moment now – probably something about CA being a sanctuary state, so we deserve it.

          Then in a couple of weeks he’ll visit with a squirt gun in hand.

          • Steverino

            Oh, you know the christianists at least will be making hay out of this.

            And Pence will send thoughts and prayers.

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            He’s throwing buckets of water at them as we speak. 😒

        • TimCA

          What’s so amazing is that the scenes I’m seeing on TV are also from areas that are very developed. I would have been less surprised if this was exclusively happening in just the rural outskirts but it’s astonishing to see these fires threatening the urban core of a city of that size. And of course the rapidity! Stay safe and we’re all keeping our fingers crossed for you guys and everyone in the fire zones.

          • pch1013

            Yes, it’s incredible how suddenly the fires erupted. I was awakened by howling winds in SF around 2:30am – and apparently they were much stronger up north.

            I’m glad you’re safe!

          • Steverino

            And we thought the Middletown Fire of two years ago was devastating, as it was. But Middletown is a relatively small community. Santa Rosa is a small city. We haven’t seen anything like this since we lived in San Diego County at the time of the Rancho Bernardo Fire.

          • TimCA

            I live in San Diego County (Bonsall-Fallbrook area), just visiting up here in the Bay Area currently. The Cedar Fire in 2003 and the massive fires in 2007 were unforgettable. My area was under evacuation orders. It was really an awful experience.

          • yes b’y

            stay safe Steverino

          • Steverino

            Thanks, I will. XO
            : )

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            I got pictures of that. Black skies raining ash, dark at 8 am, weird sunrises. Hard to keep the camera steady between coughs.

        • JCF

          Very hazy in Sacratomato today (tonight, you could really smell it).

    • GayOldLady

      Be safe and keep us posted Steverino

      • Steverino

        Thanks, I will! The evacuation zone begins several miles north of us, and we live near the Sonoma County Fairgrounds, which is a major fire evacuation center. But I don’t think I am going to be able to get much sleep tonight. The winds have abated, but last night at 10pm it was 78 degrees with high winds gusting up to 60mph. Very odd. Nobody knows exactly what started the fires, but likely sparks from snapped power lines and transformers. But for now, we have full power, cable, phone and internet.

        • pch1013

          My chorus holds twice-yearly retreats at Camp Newman, on Porter Creek Road between Santa Rosa and Calistoga. It’s not looking too good for them right now. 🙁

          • Steverino

            Yes, that is also in the major fire area. Supposedly over 35,000 acres ablaze. The Safari Park is in that area, but supposedly they evacuated all the animals safely.

          • ben-andy

            I’ve been there with the CA Men’s Gatherings over Labor Day Weekend for 15 years [love Tammy the cook, miss Tal the ex-Israeli Army lesbian ropes course gal w/ ‘tude]. We were shocked when we lost Harbin Hot Springs where we used to go for a retreat in 2015. This would be another sad loss.

          • Reality.Bites

            Newman!

        • Stay safe. My 98-Year-old grandmother lives pretty close to the southern edge of the evacuation area, and my mom is a mile or so from the western edge. Pretty worried about everyone.

          • Steverino

            It goes about as far south as the Flamingo Resort, a campy old place with a huge pool that would be a great place to host the annual Gay Wine Weekend usually held in the town of Sonoma. I think the Flamingo is okay, for now.

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    • bkmn

      Glad you are ok. Of course I don’t expect Trump will say a damned thing about the fires since CA didn’t vote for him.

      • Steverino

        Oh, I’m sure he wants Un to nuke us. In fact, at first this morning I was afraid something similar was in the works, and then I thought oh whew, it’s just a wildfire. Shows just how gaslighted some of us have become, nowadays.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Thank you for letting us know. These fires are unbelievable. My home in SF smells like a camp fire. It must be really intense in Santa Rosa.

      Please stay safe.

      • Steverino

        Thanks. I’m so worried about Fountaingrove Lodge. I hope those people were evacuated safely.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          They’ve posted evacuation information. Looks like everyone is evacuated.

          https://fountaingrovelodge.com/evacuation-information/

          • TimCA

            Thank you so much for posting that!

          • Steverino

            Thanks, that’s wonderful news! Now the Lodge itself, we will see.

        • JCF

          Do you know anything about the Occidental area? [My choir is scheduled to have a retreat at the Westminster Woods Conference Center on the weekend of the 20th! :-o]

          • Steverino

            Ironically, the redwood forested areas closer to the coast are safe. This event involves further inland areas such as Santa Rosa and Napa.

          • JCF

            Thanks, Steverino. I thought that’s what the maps looked like, but how accurate are those? [I emailed the conference center but, unsurprisingly, I haven’t heard back. They may be out hosing the place down, monitoring evacuation orders… ]

            Stay safe!

    • BearEyes

      The Santa Rosa pressdemocrat.com site has some devastating pictures.
      Fountainlodge Inn is reported burned. Don’t know if the Lodge is the same or not.

      • Steverino

        The Hilton Hotel of that name and adjoining Equus restaurant have been destroyed. Fountaingrove Lodge, the LGBT retirement home, is only a mile or so up the hill from there.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Stay safe.

      I can’t imagine what it looks like up there. The smoke has been insane….went for an early morning walk and had to turn around and head back home. It’s so bad you can even taste it in the air.

    • TuuxKabin

      Hell on earth. Friend in the east bay says ashes and soot falling and very smokey conditions. Even with the windows and doors shut, the odor is strong in the house. Hope you stay safe. Thanks for the update re: Fountaingrove.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Thanks for letting us know. I’m so sorry that Santa Rosa is in danger of going up in flames. It’s always been such a sleepy and tranquil slice of an American town.

      • Steverino

        Yes, we love it here, right in the heart of Sonoma wine country. Also have a cabin in the redwoods along the Russian River, near Guerneville. And that is the place we always thought would be in danger of fire!

        • Lars Littlefield

          A guy who runs a pseudo resort hotel east of
          Guernville on the Russian River tried to get me to buy a bar in Santa Rosa and turn it into a gay bar. I loved Santa Rosa, but he didn’t understand that an exclusively gay bar was not the trend happening in 2001 — anywhere in the country. Is there one in the area now?.

          • TimCA

            There used to be a gay bar on the periphery of SR called the Santa Rosa Inn. I think it finally closed maybe 10 years ago. I remember the place from back in the 80s when I was young and bar hoping. lol

          • Steverino

            The only gay bars I’m aware of are in Guerneville, certainly the venerable Rainbow Cattle Company, and then of course the r3 resort with their poolside bar and restaurant. But then there are so many LGBT people in the River communities that almost every business has gay clientele and employees, if not owners. Even the annual Sonoma County LGBT Parade is held in Guerneville. Lots of gay people in Santa Rosa and vicinity though, especially married couples, but I guess we all just go to The River to play.

        • JCF

          Somebody here—last winter?—asked for a recommendation to move, from (some Red State) to a *gay-friendly small town* in California: I suggested Guerneville!

      • JCF

        Santa Rosa? I’m afraid you haven’t kept up w/ it in the last few years. A couple of years ago cops gunned down a 12 yo Mexican-American boy w/ a toy gun. Big protests, naturally, followed.

    • PickyPecker

      Glad to hear you are safe. Stay that way….and keep us up to date if you are able. XO

  • Bluto

    Truth has become irrelevant, ignorance preferred, integrity dismissed, allegiance market priced, cruelty elevated & greed celebrated. This is what the country has become.

    • Tatonka

      The best lack all conviction, and the worst are filled with passionate intensity.

  • Tawreos

    Seriously, how much interference in an election constitutes an act of war?

    • Bluto

      Depends on if the treason benefited the powers in control.

      • Tawreos

        We should be able to expect our elected representatives to put country before party, maybe someday.

        • Galvestonian

          NOT the Republican ones.

      • worstcultever

        And worse – the powers in control are part of the ongoing war – against us.

      • JackFknTwist

        It is beyond doubt now that US Americans were engaged in treason on behalf of a hostile state.

        • Bluto

          You are correct. Notice nothing is being done about it.

    • Christopher
      • David Walker

        My guess is the NRA.

    • netxtown

      how much interference in an election VOIDS the damned thing…

      • Christopher

        This is a fair question.

        It’d be nice if anyone in the media or Congress would answer, or at the very least, ask about it.

  • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn

    quelle surprise

  • geoffalnutt

    We are at war…or we would be – if we could fight back, but the GOP (Gang Of Putin’s) doesn’t care. Mitch McConnell is gonna be an oligarch. Putin said so.

    • worstcultever

      As long as the pukes get their tax cuts before nuclear armageddon, it’s all worth it.

      • Tomcat

        Yeah, for some reason they believe they can take it with them.

  • GayOldLady

    The first video I watched the young man’s accent sounded like South Africa.

  • Tomcat

    It’s time to contest the election.

  • Tomcat

    The entire GOP are hypocrites if they say this would not be alright if Hillary had won.

    • Tomcat

      And none of them would say it would be alright had Hillary won.

  • bkmn

    Whether Russian or Mercer backed, pretty much the same thing. I will not be surprised to find out later that Mercer and Vlad plotted the whole thing together.

    For a good read about Robert Mercer there is an article today at Washington Monthly that gives you a good idea of how much of a nutjob he is.
    http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/10/09/the-mercers-taking-the-gop-beyond-peak-extremism/

    • Jay Mills

      He is most likely the “missing link” who is coordinating Russian activities.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    What about this obnoxious duo?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mh-SwOIwoM

    • Tomcat

      I am sure they are happy now. The dipshits.

    • Blake J Butler

      Something diamond i don’t care to rememer enough about this duo except they feel the democratic party has “enslaved” black people.

      Oh and how black people should vote republican and for baby huey because hillary was the real racist. ignorant bitches have their channel and their facebook feed of bullshit. My brothers ex-girlfriend used to post that trump shit, i blocked her ass, not for my brothers sake he is an fascist asshole like his ex was.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Tomcat

      And I for one apologize to your entire race.

    • Michael R

      As much as the ” kneel ” was meant to draw attention to the
      problem of police brutality , have Pence or Trump even acknowledged it ?
      They went straight to the flag / anthem / American values defense ,
      and that tone deafness is the real issue .

      • UrsusArctos

        For them, that’s a feature not a bug.

      • Man_in_the_mists

        It wasn’t tone-deafness, it was an attempted rhetorical smokebomb.

    • JCF

      Points!

  • Tomcat

    I still think there was something going on in Obama’s second election.
    The GOP was just sure they had won for some reason. Also the group Anonymous
    was threatening the GOP not to rig the election or they would expose them.
    This all may have started back then.

    • Tomcat

      Only Anonymous knows for sure. And they are not talking for some reason.

      • Silver Badger

        They have been awfully quiet lately.

        • Tomcat

          Paid off most likely.

          • pch1013

            See also: Assange, Julian.

      • Man_in_the_mists

        Unfortunately, I suspect Anonymous got infected with a case of reich-wing shitwhistles. I would love to be proven wrong, though.

    • Lizard

      Yeah…I remember idiots claiming that it was “anti-democracy” that Obama was going to stay in office because Romney had won the popular vote by millions (which he hadn’t).

      My, how their tune has changed.

      • billbear1961

        Dump was screaming about that, that it was undemocratic for Obama to remain in the WH after losing the popular vote to Romney, shutting up only when he was told Obama won both votes, popular and electoral.

        He raged that the Electoral College was undemocratic! When he thought Obama had lost the popular vote, he demanded people march on the WH!

  • billbear1961

    Down with the demented tyrant!

    Forth from the shadows, battered but resurgent Republic!

    https://youtu.be/GBLCDnbuO58?t=4s

  • joe ho

    Who was bankrolling the vicious Nina Turner? She’s still trying to make sure Republicans win.

    • Tomcat

      She is so far up Bernie’s ass she can’t see anything from there.

  • Tomcat

    Money can’t buy happiness, but sure can buy TREASON.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but Pence is learning about the internet today.

    He posted this tweet today.
    https://twitter.com/VP/status/917048886975500289

  • Elsewhere1010

    Welcome to the downside of the death of monolithic media. In the days of three (maybe four networks if you lived close to the Canadian border) the very idea that Cronkite, Huntley, Brinkley, etc., might be in the pay of a foreign government was laughable. Now, with social media magnifying the impact of the individual — and their social media is all you do know about them — they can publish pretty much what they like, and some people will receive it as gospel because it’s what they already believe.

    The least efficient ways to access news are Facebook and Twitter.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Again, nothing about the right or the far left shocks me anymore. The sane among us are stuck between two opposing, yet equally fucked in their collective heads, forces. Meanwhile, Russia and other parties gleefully upend the table while paying people under it. Ah, “patriotism”…it ain’t what it used to be.

    • Tomcat

      True Patriotism is alive and well but now people choose who they are willing to die for. There are not as many in my life anymore I would die for.
      I don’t wrap myself in the flag, don’t get upset if it is disparaged and don’t care to fight wars for any more oil. I love my country but realize it sucks in many ways.

    • CottonBlimp

      Yeah, fuck the far left and their extremist labor laws and gay rights! My legal right to overtime pay is exactly as disgusting as racist murder on the right.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Careful sweetheart, you clutch those pearls any tighter you’re going to kill yourself…

        …carry on

        …also, could you be more dishonest with your fauxtrage and deluded inferences?

        • CottonBlimp

          What’s dishonest is the conservative-enabling rhetoric that dares to compare radical lefties like MLK Jr, the antiwar movement, the civil rights movement, the labor movement, and great people like John Lennon and Lucille Ball with fucking Nazis.

          You’re repeating the exact same hippy-punching bullshit that morons use to defend Trump.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Actually, I’m not. But something tell’s me that, based on your responses, context and nuance are lost on you. Thank you, you literally just illustrated the very attitude and fuzzy duplicitous thinking I was talking about.

    • UrsusArctos

      I was taught patriotism is defending the things the flag “stands for”, not the cloth itself. One of those things is the right to protest. The rights of other people are a foreign concept to the false patriots wrapped in flags today. Some of the fuckers have even shifted to goddamned Nazi flags. I don’t let those assholes lecture me about patriotism.
      Nor about being an “American”. I have native roots. You don’t get any more American than that. My last immigrant ancestors, that I’ve found, arrived before 1650 and included Dutch/English/Scots/Ulster Plantation Irish/German. Their descendants probably each bitched about being overrun by “foreigners” with every successive immigrant wave. With that history I was also taught it is ABSOLUTELY Un-American to close the door to outsiders, because given enough time they too become Americans.
      Screw these “Patriots” who have no idea that rights are not a zero-sum game. Expanding them for anyone expands them for all. That’s what patriots fight for. /rant

    • leastyebejudged

      or the far left.

      Seriously, fuck you, you fucking piece of Quebecois shit.

  • Natty Enquirer

    To a great extent, U.S. voters must take responsibility for being the gulls that they are.

    • ElenorRigby

      Anyone with a brain knew there was a lot going on during the last election. I’m still expecting to find out that Bernie was on the Kremlin payroll, too. We know sure as shit that Jill Stein was.

      • Tomcat

        That’s a fact.

      • Tomcat

        But is sure was refreshing to see Bernie run back to Independent right after the election. Yet his supporters believed we should shit on Hillary to help him shit on her.

      • Reality.Bites

        You don’t pay someone stupid enough to work for free

    • Tomcat

      They???

  • ElenorRigby

    America The Gullible
    God shat his shit on Thee
    And Crown that hood
    With victimhood
    look after ME ME ME

  • Tomcat

    I want a special election. Not to determine who should be president, but to determine if trump should stay in office. Then hold an honest election.
    Numerous time I have heard the USA call for other countries hold another election when we felt the foreign election was rigged. But our country can cheat and it’s alright.

  • safari

    We’re in WWIII — it is being fought in our minds

  • Ernest Endevor

    Wearing that hat I totally believe he is an Amerikanski.

    • LeeCMH

      I really does not matter what hat someone is wearing.

      Follow the money…

      The money source is very informative as in this case.

      .

      • Ernest Endevor

        A little joke about how wrong it is. Because they get everything just slightly wrong. Because they don’t really understand the US.

  • LeeCMH

    I found it notable the Tiki Nazi protesters this past weekend in Charlottesville chanted:

    “Russia is our friend, Russia is our friend.”

    .

  • JackFknTwist

    Another pair of treasonous criminals.
    The executioner is going to be very busy.

    • David Walker

      Brings to mind a sign on a barber shop years ago…”5 Chairs — No Waiting.” Make them electric chairs run on solar or wind energy.

    • leastyebejudged

      You still don’t get how shit works, even after this last debacle, even after it’s been made so very clear ?

      The sheer idiocy from you people.

  • yiddishbear

    I want to be enraged; I want to be angry about the Russian meddling in our democratic process. I want to be angry at the 2 people who allowed themselves to be used in this manner. But I find what I really feel is sadness that so many people in the United States bought this bullshit and so, pulled the lever next to Trump’s name. To me it speaks more of the general decline of the American Public. The campaign was the symptom; the problem lies with those responsible for bringing about this decline in our society’s consciousness and I would be willing to bet, only a very, very few of them have a “D” next to their name.

    • leastyebejudged

      Why ?

      Quebecois meddling happens here.

      All sorts of people who are not US citizens constantly meddle.

      I’m not disagreeing with you, I just don’t see Russia as the only player, just the biggest one and the one people want to talk about the most.

      But what about everybody else that has an opinion, who doesn’t even live here ?

  • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

    I’d call them ‘traitors.’

  • I love dim sum

    So it looks like the Daily Beast has zero proof of this as usual. It’s just “our anonymous sources tell us that they were on the Kremlin payroll.”

    Anonymous sources mean that they are full of BS.

    Hillary lost because she was a Republican pretending to be Democratic. She spent 1.3 Billion dollars and yet she still lost, and she blames a 3rd world country.

    What Happened? You did, Hillary.

    • Russia DID meddle, there is little dispute on that fact.

      • leastyebejudged

        You’re both right, and that’s what’s so tragic, that everyone is so vested in their own “sides” that they’ll overtly lie and tell half truths as if it’s some sort of badge of honor.

  • danolgb

    There are many foreign (alleged) progressive bloggers out there who write more about the US than they do about their home countries. Caitlyn Johnstone is one I’ve come across who claims to be progressive, but after the Las Vegas shooting, I think some of her true colors came out as she started blathering the right-wing argument that the second amendment allows citizens to overturn the government by force. Incidentally, she lives in Australia. Maybe she has a crush on Assange.

  • JCF
  • leastyebejudged

    Google ofc owns youtube and will do NOTHING about fixing this.

    Do no evil indeed.

    Google employee heads should be fucking rolling.

    There are no usa patriots anymore.

  • leastyebejudged

    You’ll all still suck googles cock, Joe included.

  • Guido Miller

    Could their acts be construed as treason??