Morrissey Backs Extremist Homocon UKIP Activist

The Guardian reports:

During a live set being broadcast on BBC 6 Music to promote his new album this week, Morrissey decided to veer away from traditionally appropriate crowd patter such as, “This is a new song,” and “Woo!” to gravely discuss his views on the UKIP leadership contest.

“I was very surprised the other day – it was very interesting to me – to see Anne Marie Waters become the head of UKIP,” he said, before adding: “Oh no, sorry, she didn’t. The voting was rigged. Sorry, I forgot.”

The response? Silence. Absolute, world-swallowing silence from the crowd, all of whom seemed utterly mortified. They were supposed to be having a fun afternoon out, watching the singer from their favourite teenage band tear through some classics, and instead they found themselves being subjected to Bad Moz and His Suspect Politics.

“UKIP” just isn’t a word with which to win over a 6 Music audience. “I like secondhand corduroy jackets,” yes. “I miss the Soup Dragons,” yes. Swivel-eyed conspiracy theories about far-right parties not electing a leader with a talent for being cruel to specific religions, less so.

From what I can tell, Anne Marie Waters, who is openly lesbian, is Britain’s version of Pam Geller. The above-linked piece goes on to note how Morrissey’s increasingly extremist political views are ruining The Smiths for even hardcore fans.

  • A L Vee

    Kate Bush came out in favor of Theresa May. You want to talk about ruining it for fans.

  • Mikey

    Morrissey has been completely irrelevant for many years now.

    • Todd20036

      Yeah, but he could have remained retro, at least.

  • William

    How much of UKIP’s funding came from Russia before Brexit was a thing?

    • JCF

      This!

      • LA Julian

        There’s also the question of where Theresa Mays’ new pals the DUP

        got their Mystery Money from…

  • Rebecca Gardner

    She’s the UK’s very own Pam Geller or Dana Loesch. Why would he support her?

    I loved Morrissey in the 80’s, mostly because his music was as dark and depressing as I was. However, he keeps getting crazier and crazier as the years go by. No thanks Morrissey, I’ll skip your new album.

    • Refugay

      Guess I don’t have to give a shit anymore about not seeing him when he comes to the Masonic in SF.

    • JackFknTwist

      Ditto : but I’m disappointed that he has allowed himself to disintegrate into a nut-job.
      “Everyday is like Sunday.”

      • Rebecca Gardner

        I love The Smiths. So wonderfully depressing.

        https://youtu.be/3GhoWZ5qTwI

        • JackFknTwist

          “Burn down the disco.
          Hang the blessed DJ”.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          I am the son and the heir of a madness that is criminally vulgar.

          (Edit to note: yea, that’s a sad song and all that, but fuck does he look damned good in that video! I know, shallow slut.)

    • Reality.Bites

      Your question essentially answers itself.

      She’s not a multi-faceted politician who one could support on tax issues while being against her environmental policies. She’s someone who was too extreme for UKIP. If someone supports her, that’s what they support. That’s who Morrissey is.

    • thatotherjean

      When my daughter first heard them him, she asked, “Do they hand out razor blades with that?”

    • Phaius

      Interestingly he’s more concerned with the plight of animals. He once tried tying in that massacre in Norway at that camp to the “murder” of animals, so his crazy has been going on for a while.

  • Leo
    • gaycuckhubby
      • JackFknTwist

        Yes he will dear, but you won’t feel a thing.
        Your kids on the other hand……….

      • Nowhereman

        Made me laugh. I would like to see a photo of Melania holding one up that says “Run! It’s too late for me–but save yourselves!!!”

        • Tomcat

          Or Evanka saying daddy loves to bounce me in his lap.

    • William

      Get the fucking net!!!

    • Ninja0980

      And all to spite the black man.

      • Todd20036

        It’s not like any of his policy decisions came after any serious thought.

      • JCF

        And the resisting pussies.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      He has no idea the consequence. Even the GOP says, we should never have done the deal, but backing out of it is bigly bigly bad.

      • Friday

        And even they are only pissed it was pulled off while they were trying to campaign on needing war with Iran.

    • JackFknTwist

      Oh great !
      He can’t handle a nuclear North Korea.
      So how is he going to handle a nuclear Iran?
      Is he feeling lucky ?

      • clay

        He’s not going to handle a nuclear Iran. Ryan, McConnell and the TeaPeople are (not).

    • Tomcat

      They (GOP) do realize that once we get our asses kicked and Russia owns us,,,, those guns go BYE BYE don’t they.

  • MonochromeMouse

    That seems to be a trend with aging goth pop singers, like how Billy Corgan turned into a batshit insane far-right conspiracy theorist.

    • Todd20036

      Seriously? He was always liberal. He had a freaking video which depicted people in a field having sex. (It was clothed, and suitable for MTV)
      I wonder if he is having a mental breakdown.
      I used to love the Smiths. Sorry, there are plenty of singers out there where buying their albums does not fund my own oppression.

      • MonochromeMouse

        He was super liberal until sometime around 2012 when he turned crazy and became a regular guest on infowars to talk about chemtrails and other crazy bullshit and was one of the first people to start saying that conservatism was the new punk.

        • Todd20036

          Something happened. His craziness is a symptom.
          You don’t just fall for insanity without some reason.
          I would feel sorry for him if the lunatics didn’t already take over the asylum, but instead, I just don’t care how badly he deteriorates.

          • MonochromeMouse

            Corgan has been pretty open about his mental illnesses, so it’s very likely he’s had some kind of breakdown and sees the far-right catering to his delusions.

          • JCF

            See re Michelle Shocked.

        • Tomcat

          Yeah, huffing chemtrails has that effect on one.

        • Friday

          Nah, he went all Christian sometime before that. (And the music really started sucking ) The Pumpkins really rocked the house in this small venue back home when their second album was coming out. He and the gal whose name I forgot were between dickish and aloof but my GF and I ended up hanging out with the rest of the band and the roadies after the show. I hadn’t heard he went all overtly right-wing crazy but I guess it’s not too surprising.

          Anyway, he was never exactly ‘punk’ before, and conservatism sure ain’t it, however much ‘conservatives’ now want to wreck things.

          • licuado de platano

            D’Arcy?

    • fuzzybits

      Not sure I’d call him a goth singer.

      • MonochromeMouse

        If smashing pumpkins wasn’t goth pop then I don’t know what is.

        • Friday

          I’d say they had a crossover audience. Compare, say, Siouxsie, the Damned, etc. Maybe proto-emo in the case of Morrissey but even in the 80’s that was just cheesy maudlin drinking songs to ham up to actual Goths back in the days of the Smiths. Partly making fun of ourselves if we’d taken it that much more seriously, actual artistic merit aside, when younger. In more recent times there could be like a meme “What X group thinks Goths do” etc etc vs “What Goths actually do.”

          The irony-impaired didn’t realize how much we laughed. 🙂 (Mind you, Pumpkins and Smiths were of interest *because* it involved real emotions and stuff. It didn’t mean that meant we had to take ourselves that seriously, especially back when Goth was ‘punkers with some poetry and prettier wardrobe.’)

          Never stopped me from doing what you could now call my best Wednesday Addams when some garishly-clad jock type would come up and be like, “Don’t you get tired of wearing black all the time?” I said, “Don’t you get tired of wearing assorted colors all the time?” 🙂 (The occasion I’m thinking of, that was actually like a Zen whack to the head for that guy. I was surprised to see thought going on. 🙂 Probably why I remember it. )

          • Dean

            “A dreaded sunny day, so I meet you at the cemetery gates.” A good blast of Alien Sex Fiend played loud works wonders.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            And a ballad about plagiarism and its ills suited so many us proud nerds just fine.

          • Friday

            That’s a fair generalization, in the Yeats camp as I always was. 🙂

  • gaycuckhubby

    Morissey is a whackjob.
    Just check out his ridiculous PETA canpaigns.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Pedo says, “What?”

    • Todd20036

      Really?

  • Leo
    • gaycuckhubby

      But they wouldn’t release it before the election.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Release it now, screw the consequences. The country needs you

      • Todd20036

        *shrug*. Trump raped a kid, and THAT didn’t matter.

        • Highmoremotel

          Ivanka?

          • Tomcat

            No, that was consensual and arranged by mommy to keep him off her.

        • Tomcat

          She was ASKING for it with those frilly undies.

    • Jmdintpa

      that just helps him in todays America.

    • Todd20036

      Wouldn’t have been nice if he had spoken up BEFORE THE FUCKING ELECTION?

      • JCF

        That’s what people said to Tom Arnold (who claimed to have such Apprentice tapes. Drumpf was apparently {N word} o-rama. I know: shocking! /s)

    • JackFknTwist

      Stop teasing us and release everything !
      And why the f uck haven’t you released all the ‘out-takes’ already ?
      the damage to the USA and its institutions has now been done.

    • Reality.Bites

      Was so nice watching the return of The Apprentice UK last night. Hosted by a Jew who despises Trump.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSjXtXHtPmA

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv8u92YNSkE

    • The_Wretched

      During the election would have been a good time to get that relevant information out to the voters. Hinting at it now? irrelevant. And don’t just claim it; prove it!

  • Jay Mills

    Two things to avoid in life: Morrisey and Dilbert.

  • geoffalnutt

    Dumb.

  • Jmdintpa

    loved the Smiths, as a band. Morrissey alone…. not so much.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Whats with the UK production of bitter homocon the like of Morrissey, Rupert Everett and Milo?

    • Gustav2

      Snobs trying to be aristos?

    • TCinBerkeley

      They got theirs so fuck everyone else?

      • JW Swift

        I thought that was our shtick (as in the U.S.)

    • Dazzer

      Rupert Everett is emphatically not a bitter homocon.

      He has an incredibly black, witty and contrarian sense of humour – but Conservative he most definitely is not. His attacks on social injustice would make Bernie Sanders hang his head in shame.

      He’s definitely an acquired taste when it comes to his humour – but when he goes on the attack (and he’s usually on our side), he’s a major ally.

      The thing about Everett is that he picks odd and unusual causes – so only his bitchiness gets reported (especially in America). But if I were in a fight, I’d definitely want him guarding my back.

  • Nic Peterson

    Moz, a word please? BTW, Soup Dragons? Not a fucking chance.

  • Treant

    Waters can’t be the Brit version of Geller. Since she identifies as lesbian, there’s a good chance she’s had sex at least once to be sure of that fact. Geller, I am quite certain, has a dusty and bat-filled cave in there.

    • Friday

      Only thing I’m certain of is that conservatives *lie.* So I don’t even believe that.

  • Gigi

    I grew tired of Morissey decades ago with his incessant whining and his refusual to be “labeled.” That at least I understood. It was a different time. But this? Had I been in the audience I would have thrown my friend’s shoes at him!

    • Treant

      Why not your own sho…. Oh, I see. Make him walk home barefoot.

      • Highmoremotel

        That makes sense. I thought maybe the friend’s shoes were just awful and throwing them was a favor as well as convenient.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Throwing shoes are high praise for performers on stage. You do not want to do that.

      • Gigi

        Not where I come from it’s not! 😉

        • bambinoitaliano

          Sigh… with kids today we live in an alt world where you’re bad, you stank are the opposite of insults.

        • Adam King

          It depends on whether you wear your panties on your feet.

          • liondon#iamnotatraitor

            what about a camisole ?

      • paganguy

        I think it depends on your aim.

    • HozillaSmallpox

      I could barely get through his autobiography and at one time I was a huge fan of the smiths. I think he’s always been a narcissistic asshole but these days he has a bigger platform to show it to the world. Sad!

    • Reality.Bites

      Statistical breakdown of the sexuality of celebrities who don’t like to be labelled.

      Completely same-sex oriented 80%
      Almost completely same-sex oriented 19%
      Bisexual 1%
      Heterosexual: 0%.

      Non-celebrity people who don’t like to be labelled, if they’re any fun at all, will then tell you enough personal stories to prove that damn it, they really can’t be labelled.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Almost completely same-sex oriented 19%
        Bisexual 1%

        Isn’t there overlap there? Also, personal favorite way to tell: Ask them to sleep naked next to someone of either sex. See what happens. Can tell you right now: Kinsey was right.

      • Canadian Observer

        I think the thought police might be coming for you for writing this. I wonder if they will come for me too for upvoting and and thinking “damn, I wish I had the balls to have written that”!

      • cleos_mom

        But I’m wondering where people who spend years chasing fame and when they get it, wax pious over being “a very private person” fit in.

        Personally I’d prefer my fame to be of the 15-minute variety as long as the context was neutral or positive. No way would I want to be famous indefinitely unless it’s after I’m dead.

  • Jack

    Rigged?

  • Morrissey who?

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      I think hes related to that susan sarandon lady

      • Adam King

        Who?

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          Yep.

  • Adam King

    He’s over the wrong hill.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Can we evict him from our club?

  • Reality.Bites

    I’ve always wondered how Pam Geller turned out like that.

    Such a good family, too. Do you think it’s because they left her off the show, like a Kardashian with a small butt?

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nXzERpMRJFg/maxresdefault.jpg

  • Nowhereman

    The only song of his that I can think of is “How Soon is Now” and I like the cover version done by a Russian lesbian couple better than his:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAH0iuua-qI

    • fuzzybits

      We always danced to this. https://youtu.be/ILaTgQBKRbE

    • Miji

      Oh, me too! I’m not sure I would feel that strongly one way or the other, but the more of a wanker he becomes, the more t.A.T.u takes the lead for me.

  • fuzzybits

    Friends and I always called him “misery.”

    • Reality.Bites

      I can understand why Paul Sheldon killed her off.

  • Henry Auvil

    Oh god, does this mean I have to go dig out my old Smiths LPs and burn them?

    • Friday

      Frankly, I don’t think my punk and punk-like crowd ever relied on some notion he wasn’t messed up to ham up the singalongs.

  • Pip

    This, kids, is why you shouldn’t do drugs. It ruins the brain.

    • Reality.Bites

      Maybe it’s why you shouldn’t do music. I can’t sing or play a note, but I do drugs and my fine is brain.

      • Pip

        Ha! Good point.

  • fuzzybits

    Poor thing,he just needs some B12.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Moar meat 4 Morrissey!

  • Friday

    Come on, Morrissey, there’s still going to be a market for angsty-queer-teen/surviving adult drinking songs till well after you’re gone, no need to drum up business by making more customers or something. No one’s likely to have the attention span anyway.

  • Todd

    I gave up on Morrisey a long time ago and have a hard time listening even to the older stuff I knew as a teenager. I realized one day that I simply didn’t hate myself as much he wanted me to, or at all for that matter.

  • Halou

    UKIP are an irrelevance these days now that 1, they got what they bloody wanted and to hell with the consequences of it. And 2, because the Tories cut the legs out from under them policy-wise. I don’t see why he or anyone else for that matter would devote so much emotional energy to them.

    • Dazzer

      Why devote energy to them?

      It’s because Morrissey is a dickhead. I saw The Smiths when they were just a support act in Macclesfield. Morrissey was a miserable shit then and he still is today.

      I’ve never understood why anyone wasted the time of day – let alone their hard-earned money – on someone so clearly inconsequential as that witless prick.

      • barrixines

        I never minded Morrissey back in the Smiths days. He was an arse then but the music was good enough to counterbalance. It isn’t now, the racist old bastard.

  • Tomcat

    Damn I am old, this is all like a foreign language to me.

    • Phil2u

      Ain’t it the damned truth….?

    • DavidAZ

      我也是! 🙂

  • shellback

    Apparently, another “musician” I don’t know. Does he also drive race cars like the one that passed a couple days ago? I think it was Richard Petty.

    • Reality.Bites

      Tom Petty.

      One needn’t be a fan of either man, or indeed of music in general, to be aware of them. They certainly don’t deserve your insult of scare quotes. They are both accomplished musicians, world famous for their music for decades.

      (Edited to add: Morissey does of course deserve many other insults, just not that one in particular.)

    • Bad Tom

      Tom Petty sold EIGHTY MILLION albums over his career. He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He played with George Harrison, Stevie Nicks, and Bob Dylan, among many others.

      So, bro, what have you done with your life?

      • Friday

        To be fair, I have no damn clue why any of the ‘celebrities’ I’m supposed to care about are famous in the first place or even if they’re supposed to be musicians at all. I do know racing legends from rock legends, though, and note neither had reality shows.

        • Bad Tom

          It’s perfectly fine not to care or know anything about any particular person.

          My beef was with the poster dissing Tom Petty’s musicianship based literally on knowing nothing about him.

          I know very little about almost everything. The Universe demonstrates this to me every day. What I keep myself as from a scorpion is disdaining what I don’t know as unimportant, because I don’t know it.

          That can literally be deadly; at the least it is very unattractive.

    • JCF

      I’m not at all familiar w/ Morrissey either—except for talk about him here (No wait, I have seen him on some shows within the last few years. Surrounded, in his band, by MUCH younger men, hmmm. I wasn’t impressed. My 2c)

    • Friday

      Richard Petty is still alive and running a pretty-top-notch (automotive) shop in North Carolina and unfortunately being pretty spotty on politics he supports. Fairly Christianist in his old age, apparently. But not universally the bad guy in NASCAR flaps.

      *Tom* Petty’s been writing great driving songs since the Seventies and tells off the likes of Michelle Bachmann and Palin if they try to use his music. And he died recently.

      This guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFnOfpIJL0M

    • leastyebejudged

      You shouldn’t be so proud of your pig ignorance.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Morrissey sucks. And gets worse as time passes. Another one only concerned with his money.

  • edrex

    homocon is murder.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Halou

      I hope they make it clear that ‘inspired by’ does not mean affiliated with, because a few people are certainly going to miss the meaning.

      • JCF

        “Inspired by” could mean “imitating their TACTICS, just to fuck w/ us.”

      • Daveed_WOW

        No nuance please, we’re gun-owners.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I agree. I made the exact same point earlier today on here. But I also don’t think that it it is beyond the realm of possibility that he could have been recruited

    • The_Wretched

      Hey, 2 adjectives on reporter. I’ll wait for the dust to settle and until then, horses not zebras.

      • JCF

        No seriously, Rukmini Callimachi is very good. You see her cited all the time.

    • Friday

      He profiles more like a sociopath running out of jollies. If that resembles apocalyptic monotheism, draw your own conclusions.

  • HZ81

    RIP Morrissey — 1959 to 1993 or so. This guy currently living and recording under your name is an asshole.

    • secretlab

      Perhaps the real Morrissey died then and the current item is a silicone replicant.

    • Reality.Bites

      First Colonel Sanders, now this.

  • I love dim sum

    This shouldn’t surprise anyone, Morrissey has always been a far right wing reactionary, but for some reason, the music press and his fans have always forgiven him for it.

    He’s really on the level of Ted Nugent, both in terms of politics and musical talent.

    • theonlyseven

      And yet he wrote Margaret on a Guillotine and wanted to see the Queen’s head in a sling. The man is a bundle of frustrating contradictions.

      • I love dim sum

        What band didn’t write an anti Thatcher or Reagan screed in the 80s though? That was practically a requirement during that decade.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          I know I am contradicting my Smiths fan bias here and I still adore their work but I never liked that anti-Thatcher song. I will still contend that there are great angst ridden pieces in The Smiths work. But the sheer (justified) hatred of that woman is not captured in that song at all. Yes, head on a guillotine but still, to me it was always cheap. I’m glad she’s dead, ditto Reagan, but that song just doesn’t quite get the visceral hate to resonate.

        • Friday

          Actually, Reagan and the PMRC got a lot of acts banned under ‘obscenity’ laws in the US if they did.

          • leastyebejudged

            The PMRC that was put into place in part by Al Gore’s bitch wife, Tipper ?

    • Friday

      Or, no. That’s not plausible. YOu just think that’s the most divisive thing to say. No one ever thought that was the point, even when he titled an album ‘Meat is murder’ when none of the content related to vegetarianism, only had a soldier on the cover.

      • leastyebejudged

        The album’s sleeve uses a 1967 photograph of Marine Cpl. Michael Wynn in the Vietnam War, though with the wording on his helmet changed from “Make War Not Love” to “Meat Is Murder”.

        The original image was used for Emile de Antonio’s 1968 documentary In the Year of the Pig.

        The title track ON the album’s lyrics :

        Heifer whines could be human cries
        Closer comes the screaming knife

        This beautiful creature must die
        This beautiful creature must die
        A death for no reason
        And death for no reason is murder

        And the flesh you so fancifully fry
        Is not succulent, tasty or kind
        It’s death for no reason
        And death for no reason is murder
        And the calf that you carve with a smile
        It is murder

        And the turkey you festively slice
        It is murder
        Do you know how animals die?

        Kitchen aromas aren’t very homely
        It’s not comforting, cheery or kind
        It’s sizzling blood and the unholy stench of murder

        It’s not natural, normal or kind
        The flesh you so fancifully fry
        The meat in your mouth
        As you savour the flavour of murder

        No No No – It is Murder
        No No No – It is Murder

        And who hears when animals cry?

        I’d point out it certainly DOES have everything to do with the issue, and it certainly DID have an impact that was lasting on people who bought the album. I seem to also recall the first song about how horrible public schools were in the UK at the time (check out the amazing boy george documentary for more on that !), and how the kind of brutality permeated society, the point being that institutionalized brutality breeds more brutality.

        Chrissy Hynde is a vegetarian as well, and a friend of Morrissey’s.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    In the 80s I all but worshiped this man. He wore flowers in his back pocket and not since Bowie was I so entranced with a performer recasting gender, big hair, leopard tights, mascara metal bands be damned. I listened to his angst and his anti-Thatcherism and felt every chord. He made a ballad about anything– shitty beach weather in Brighton the Cray brothers, flaming stylists in SoHo– and I was right there. And when he sang he forgives Jesus. I could have kissed him.

    And then he says shit like this.

    You talented diva of a musician, you complex at times wounded and still I would argue beautiful man, in the name of all that is right shut the fuck up.

    • I love dim sum

      I always thought Morrissey was incredibly cringe inducing. His lyrics sound like something from a 15 year old girl’s diary. So many better indie musicians than him.

      The true talent of the Smith’s came from the guitarist, Johnny Marr, and the fact that Morrissey could get good producers, like the guy from the Durutti Column to produce his albums.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        I do believe that we have had this discussion before and I still disagree. I also don’t insult 15 year olds and their diaries.

        • I love dim sum

          fair enough, guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

          • Friday

            The world, or music, just ain’t always about what you ‘agree’ with. That’s half the problem these days. And why once-good acts just stop being good when they swing Right or overtly-Christian-religious. They start being about trying to push people to ‘agree’ instead of expressing things that could bring people together each on their own terms.

        • Friday

          Actually, I think they kind of do, …after you'[re fifteen by a few years, they become ironic drinking songs. Part of the reason they’re *good* is cause you can still relate even when hamming them up.

          It would have been very stupid to keep a diary when I *was* a fifteen year old girl, but in times of music on the radio tending to seem overwhelmingly shallow and straight (with exceptions) it was some kind of voice about some kinds of things even if generally about British boy versions.

      • Lazycrockett

        I would love to have been that well versed and intelligent 15 year old girl

        • I love dim sum

          Yeah sorry, I had moved on to The Fall and Television by that age.

          • Friday

            Irony is something you may not understand. Many people here were certainly *right* to be angsty, but when you mature, dismissing that isn’t the only way to approach it. Especially when it comes to songs that meant something at the time.

          • leastyebejudged

            The songs don’t loose their meaning, but people love rewriting the past to make themselves look good.

          • Friday

            One reason I never gave a shit about celebrity gossip. It’s like how the Waterboys wrote a lot of great Pagan music, even if it appealed to everyone, but then the band broke up and the lead decided to go I guess publicly Fundie and immediately lost the muse of it. Well, that happened in some particular order.

            Meanwhile, look at U2: THey’d been Christian all along but always came out with songs a Pagan like me could generally relate to spiritually. At least with usual allowances for the dominant culture.

            That much is just kind of Irish, really. It’d only bother me if they were using record sales to *hurt* people, though, capiche?

          • leastyebejudged

            I suppose it serves the purpose of showing us that celebrities are human too, and shouldn’t be placed upon a pedestal. We get it, allright.

        • Friday

          As I just said, I wouldn’t have been dumb enough to keep a diary.

      • theonlyseven

        Marr made The Smiths what they were. The galloping guitar in Bigmouth, the jumpy jangle in This Charming Man. He was the hook, thats what drew me to listen.

        • I love dim sum

          Johnny Marr really is amazing, inside and out.

          • theonlyseven

            Have you ever heard this? The guitaring is sublime. It’s like he is casting a spell putting the listener in a trance.
            No one plays guitar
            like Johnny Fucking Marr

            https://youtu.be/E_aW25wZ4Bc

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          I’ll give you that he was amazingly talented. Opening of Meat is Murder, or the first chords of How Soon is Now strikes at one’s core.

    • Dazzer

      Having seen one of his first gigs, I’m pretty sure Morrissey was of the opinion that those flowers weren’t in his back pocket, rather they were growing out of his own fundament.

      At the gig, he was throwing the flowers (gladioli – I think, but could be wrong) out to the crowd. And the crowd, being largely teenage boys and girls from local schools, were sticking coins in the stems of the flowers and them throwing them back at him with aim of drawing blood.

      In Macclesfield – at the time – we had our own miserablist music group (Joy Division) who beat The Smiths into a cocked hat because:
      i) They could sing;
      2) They had better lyrics and music;
      3) They actually knew what working class life was about;
      4) You could meet singer Ian Curtis in the local dole office from time to time;
      5) They regularly drank with friends and fans (in the Queens Arms in Chestergate) without being pretentious up-their-arses snobs.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Oh my! I appreciate the wit. I also appreciate Joy Division as that man was indeed amazingly talented and just plain gorgeous to boot. To this day I still adore Atmosphere.

        But the wail of The Smiths will also be a one off wonder to me.

        (It was glads. And mums. Of the chrysanthemum variety, not of the maternal variety.)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EdUjlawLJM

      • leastyebejudged

        You might point out that Curtis hanged himself, yeah their music is great if you’re tone deaf and suicidal.

        • Dazzer

          I take it you’re tone deaf and suicidal yourself, given that you’re such an expert.

          And yes, Curtis did hang himself. He did it a couple of streets away from where I lived. It was a tragedy for everyone who knew him – but the situation was complex.

          I’m not so crass as to suggest that the world would have been a better place had the boy scouts taught Morrissey how to tie a knot rather than Ian Curtis, but I’m sure you’ll make up your own jokes anyway…

          • leastyebejudged

            But you ARE crass, and dishonest in being so. Have some integrity, you pig.

          • Dazzer

            As trolls go, you’re not very good, are you?

          • leastyebejudged

            Oh, so you call me a troll after you’ve proven yourself to have no integrity ?

            Fuck you.

      • Friday

        I seriously used to show up at cruise nights (again, in the automotive sense) in high school, playing Joy Division. Speaking of driving music. 🙂 Also I’m remembering how much of my car stereo was soldered-together-with radio shack resistors junk, but it worked. An uncle got me a decent car stereo one holiday some time after so I ripped most of it out but I’d actually made it work. 🙂

        I guess maybe just cause a musician flakes out decades later, that’s no reason to ‘take a side. ‘ Seems Morrissey got dissed enough right to his face from peple who payed to see it.

    • Reality.Bites

      Good, a Bowie fan. I read this today and hoped I’d have a pretext to share it.

      My friend told me a story he hadn’t told anyone for years. When he used to tell it years ago people would laugh and say, ‘Who’d believe that? How can that be true? That’s daft.’ So he didn’t tell it again for ages. But for some reason, last night, he knew it would be just the kind of story I would love.

      When he was a kid, he said, they didn’t use the word autism, they just said ‘shy’, or ‘isn’t very good at being around strangers or lots of people.’ But that’s what he was, and is, and he doesn’t mind telling anyone. It’s just a matter of fact with him, and sometimes it makes him sound a little and act different, but that’s okay.

      Anyway, when he was a kid it was the middle of the 1980s and they were still saying ‘shy’ or ‘withdrawn’ rather than ‘autistic’. He went to London with his mother to see a special screening of a new film he really loved. He must have won a competition or something, I think. Some of the details he can’t quite remember, but he thinks it must have been London they went to, and the film…! Well, the film is one of my all-time favourites, too. It’s a dark, mysterious fantasy movie. Every single frame is crammed with puppets and goblins. There are silly songs and a goblin king who wears clingy silver tights and who kidnaps a baby and this is what kickstarts the whole adventure.

      It was ‘Labyrinth’, of course, and the star was David Bowie, and he was there to meet the children who had come to see this special screening.

      ‘I met David Bowie once,’ was the thing that my friend said, that caught my attention.

      ‘You did? When was this?’ I was amazed, and surprised, too, at the casual way he brought this revelation out. Almost anyone else I know would have told the tale a million times already.

      He seemed surprised I would want to know, and he told me the whole thing, all out of order, and I eked the details out of him.

      He told the story as if it was he’d been on an adventure back then, and he wasn’t quite allowed to tell the story. Like there was a pact, or a magic spell surrounding it. As if something profound and peculiar would occur if he broke the confidence.

      It was thirty years ago and all us kids who’d loved Labyrinth then, and who still love it now, are all middle-aged. Saddest of all, the Goblin King is dead. Does the magic still exist?

      I asked him what happened on his adventure.

      ‘I was withdrawn, more withdrawn than the other kids. We all got a signed poster. Because I was so shy, they put me in a separate room, to one side, and so I got to meet him alone. He’d heard I was shy and it was his idea. He spent thirty minutes with me.

      ‘He gave me this mask. This one. Look.

      ‘He said: ‘This is an invisible mask, you see?

      ‘He took it off his own face and looked around like he was scared and uncomfortable all of a sudden. He passed me his invisible mask. ‘Put it on,’ he told me. ‘It’s magic.’

      ‘And so I did.

      ‘Then he told me, ‘I always feel afraid, just the same as you. But I wear this mask every single day. And it doesn’t take the fear away, but it makes it feel a bit better. I feel brave enough then to face the whole world and all the people. And now you will, too.

      ‘I sat there in his magic mask, looking through the eyes at David Bowie and it was true, I did feel better.

      ‘Then I watched as he made another magic mask. He spun it out of thin air, out of nothing at all. He finished it and smiled and then he put it on. And he looked so relieved and pleased. He smiled at me.

      ‘’Now we’ve both got invisible masks. We can both see through them perfectly well and no one would know we’re even wearing them,’ he said.

      ‘So, I felt incredibly comfortable. It was the first time I felt safe in my whole life.

      ‘It was magic. He was a wizard. He was a goblin king, grinning at me.

      ‘I still keep the mask, of course. This is it, now. Look.’

      I kept asking my friend questions, amazed by his story. I loved it and wanted all the details. How many other kids? Did they have puppets from the film there, as well? What was David Bowie wearing? I imagined him in his lilac suit from Live Aid. Or maybe he was dressed as the Goblin King in lacy ruffles and cobwebs and glitter.

      What was the last thing he said to you, when you had to say goodbye?

      ‘David Bowie said, ‘I’m always afraid as well. But this is how you can feel brave in the world.’ And then it was over. I’ve never forgotten it. And years later I cried when I heard he had passed.’

      My friend was surprised I was delighted by this tale.

      ‘The normal reaction is: that’s just a stupid story. Fancy believing in an invisible mask.’

      But I do. I really believe in it.

      And it’s the best story I’ve heard all year.

      — Paul Magrs (via yourfluffiestnightmare)

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        And…. starts to cry:

        ‘Then he told me, ‘I always feel afraid, just the same as you. But I wear this mask every single day. And it doesn’t take the fear away, but it makes it feel a bit better. I feel brave enough then to face the whole world and all the people. And now you will, too.

        Seriously, that was absolutely gorgeous. Can’t upvote it enough.

      • Dazzer

        Just a quick biological note. Paul Magrs is a howlingly funny comic novelist whose books I can’t recommend highly enough. I suspect he’s also ‘family’ because one of his novels was about a gay hero foiling an alien invasion of Canal Street in Manchester (the city’s gay village).

        I’m definitely not suggesting Magrs’s story about Bowie is fiction. In many ways, Magrs is a very serious man and he’d never lie about the Bowie story.

        • barrixines

          The first novel of his I read was To The Devil – A Diva. Just from the title I assumed he was one of ours. Just had a quick look and he has edited a book called Shenanigans: Gay Men Mess With Genre and there is a pic or two of him outside gay bookshops. Agree with you on his books – a very appealing mix of humour and fantasy/magic realism usually set in the most mundane of backgrounds.

      • leastyebejudged

        I wept.

      • boatboy_srq

        That’s wonderful.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Shorter Morrissey: She’ll keep my taxes low and my country white…what’s not to love.

  • Morrissey strikes me as a rather bitter man.

    • UrsusArctos

      Swapped angst for bitterness and doesn’t know he’s traded down.

    • Reality.Bites

      If you invite him to Passover dinner you’re allowed to skip the maror on the table.

  • DisqusD37

    Morrissey stopped being revelant 30 years ago.

    • Friday

      Drinking songs. Not everything has to be taken seriously. 🙂

      • boatboy_srq

        Depends whether you’re singing them while you’re drinking, or drunk because you’re trying to forget singing/listening.

  • Canadian Observer

    Although I was a fan of the cover art on the early Smiths albums, I must confess that since the mid-80s one of my “go to” daydreams has been force feeding veal to Morrissey.

    • boatboy_srq

      LOLROFLMAO… can’t… breathe…

  • Gigi

    Sure he’s a jerk but this song got me through some really rough days. Not sure how considering how depressing it is. That’s youth for you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nxQLJmshak

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Were we separated at birth?

  • JAKvirginia

    Well, then… glad I missed him in my life.

    Moving on….

  • Gigi

    Here’s a clip of the moment when Morrissey stuck a knife into the hearts of his fans. (You can hear a pin drop.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNY1wsr1h20

  • KaBoomBOX

    #struggling for relevancy of any kind

  • Snarky

    He’s become such a piece of crap. Hard to believe it’s the same person who seemed to speak eloquently of the dual outsider status of being both an immigrant and gay (“Bengali In Platforms”).

    Like much of his music, there’s more than one interpretation to that song, but that’s what it meant to me.

    Anyway, I used to care what he said and now I don’t care what he says, and heaven knows I’m (not) miserable now. 🙂

  • gothambear

    A smug homocon on Twitter stated that he thought all gay men should be Pro Life. Period. Argument settled. I replied sure let the Government control your body – no more anal sex for you buddy!

  • JT

    Morrissey was always on the creepy side.

  • boatboy_srq

    And with that, Morrissey has entered full-blown Jill Stein territory – or is it the other way around?

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!
    Hardcore realizes Morrisey rejects them.
    Begins to wonder how far back exactly the HATE to the core began…
    The burning question being ‘did he ever really like anybody?’.
    Fool me once, fool me twice, turns out Morrisey was never really that nice.
    Period.

  • AJD

    The boy with the thorn in his side, behind the hatred there lies some dumb comment by Morrissey
    On stahaaaage

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    Washed-up sad little man says what?

  • Cerberus

    Ugh, Morrissey continues his active campaign to be the worst asexual in the entire world. I swear, all of the Quisling Queers must be in a competition to try and embarrass their queer identity the most.

  • Paul

    Of course when other singers make a point to say how much they hate Trump, their so-called fans start whining about not being political, burning records etc. The same people wouldn’t say a peep had the singer been pro Trump.

    • craigbear

      It was the same in the Bush daze. The people who whine and moan that anybody who dares to criticize a Republican president for any reason whatsoever is unpatriotic and deranged are the exact same ones who act like total lunatics when the president happens to be a Democrat.

  • cleos_mom

    “Silence. Absolute, world-swallowing silence” is probably the most effective negative reaction an audience can deliver, short of throwing overripe produce.

  • LA Julian

    Now, now, I’ve just been scolded on Twitter for calling out our own white brethren & sistern who happen to be racist/sexist/classist fashtrash, because pointing out that being LGBT doesn’t immunize you against the effects of white privilege = gaybashing now, so STOP TALKING ABOUT MILO & MITCH & PETER THIEL THIS INSTANT…