NEW YORK CITY: Student Bullied With Gay Slurs Stabs Classmate To Death, First School Killing Since 1993

The New York Post reports:

The Bronx student who allegedly stabbed a classmate to death and seriously injured another was bullied for his sexual orientation — and will be put on suicide watch in jail, it was revealed in court Thursday.

Abel Cedeno, 18, is facing murder charges for allegedly killing classmate Matthew McCree, 15, and critically injuring Araine LaBoy, 16, during their US history class Wednesday at the Urban Assembly School for Wildlife Conservation.

Cedeno did not enter a plea during arraignment Thursday, but Assistant District Attorney Nancy Borko said the teen “admits to purchasing a knife two weeks before online and stabbing two people.”

“As far as I know, these students have been calling him faggot and spic, so it’s sexual orientation and race,” said family rep Savannah Hornback outside the Bronx courtroom.

From the New York Daily News:

The taunting began on the first day of high school and continued until Abel Cedeno couldn’t hold his rage another second. The bullied student, armed with a $30 switchblade, stabbed one of his tormentors to death and savagely gashed a second teen as a Wednesday morning history class turned into a Bronx bloodbath, police said.

Horrified classmates howled in disbelief as Cedeno flew into a homicidal fury, plunging the serrated stainless steel blade into the chests of Matthew McCree, 15, and Ariane Laboy, 16. The knife-wielding Cedeno just “went crazy,” said witness Jomarlyn Colon, 16. “Everybody just stood back. A few of them were holding Matthew. A few of them were holding towels on the wound.”

It’s been nearly 25 years since a New York City student was murdered inside a school. In early 1993 a 15 year-old was stabbed to death in the hallway of a Manhattan junior high.

  • Lazycrockett

    Just remember Bullies not everyone you pick on is weak.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Don’t give bullies credit for introspection or for the capacity to learn and change.

  • Mike__in_Houston

    I’d be curious to know what the last thought that went through that jackass’s head was.

    • SoCalVet

      “guess I should have kept my asshole mouth shut”?????

    • RaygunsGoZap

      Why me?

    • m_lp_ql_m

      “Ouch”?

    • Chucktech

      “Oh, FUCK, THIS isn’t supposed to happen!”

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “It’s just a flesh wound!”

  • Silver Badger

    Justifiable homicide. The only question is why more kids don’t snap.

    • The_Wretched

      Understandable doesn’t mean justifiable.

      • Silver Badger

        I stand by my earlier comment. Justifiable is exactly what I meant.

        • Jake

          Based on what?

          • Silver Badger

            Both personal and observed experience.

          • Goodboy

            You ever hear of the battered wife defense? Usually works.

          • JustDucky

            That relies on a history of physical violence and a fear of death. Do we have evidence yet that Able Cedeno had cause to fear for his life?

          • Goodboy

            The lead up to the stabbing was the student being pelted from behind all morning with bits of pencils and paper. He stood up and said something to one of the boys who slugged him and then he took the knife to him.

            You take someone already on the edge because of this going on and on and yes. He feared for his life.

          • JustDucky

            I wonder if he has PTSD. Especially if the bullying had gotten physical more than just this once, it seems possible. And that would help with a battered person defense.

          • Beagle

            If that’s the case, he might have a decent self-defense argument — regardless of what was motivating the bully.

          • Strepsi

            I have just read a fucking litany of histories of physical violence from the readers on this page, which is why we are so quick to empathize and also to look at it in a snapshot and go “You bet there was a history of physical violence and fear of death”

          • fuow

            I can only speak for myself, but the violence against us must stop. By whatever means necessary.

      • Bad Tom

        If we could compel lawmakers to experience what we all experienced as gay kids, bullying would become the crime under law that we know it to be in fact.

        • The_Wretched

          Bullying is a crime (harassment or assault or terroristic threats depending). The problem is getting teachers and lawmakers to be willing to be witnesses at trial and police to arrest the bullies. All too often, the bullies hide behind christianity and it become a matter of helping the disfavored group (gay, new, minority race, etc) against the wishes of christian privilege.

          That said, I was bullied and I was often violent with my bullies. It worked to get them to stop. I didn’t stab anyone, however.

          • Strepsi

            I smashed my schoolbag over a guy’s head but it had a glass inkwell in it (calligraphy — super gay) which smashed into his head and could have accidentally killed him, I suppose. He was bleeding for sure. We both got in trouble, which was fair. The bullying stopped.

      • fuow

        Disagree.

    • SoCalVet

      because we are so good-hearted and confused as to why people would hate us and mistreat us for who we are not even sure we are.

      • m_lp_ql_m

        Because we grow up thinking they’re right.

        • SoCalVet

          true…we have a suspicion they aren’t, but we don’t learn that fully until we are completely grown up.

        • David Milley

          I knew they were lying, but they did a damn good job of hiding the truth.

        • Strepsi

          Oh yeah, we can hate ourselves FAR more than they hate us. Because, inside, we know with red-hot shame that it’s true… we are filthy faggot queers.

    • JustDucky

      There is nothing just about a fifteen year old kid being murdered for being an asshole. Suspended? Absolutely. Maybe even expelled. But murdered? No.

      The school fucked up. They should have protected Abel Cedeno so he wouldn’t have felt like he needed to protect himself.

      • Pluto Animus

        That’s true.

        But it’s also true that this kid, by killing, may have prevented the guy who died from inflicting extraordinary cruelty on countless other gay people. That guy may have lived for decades, tormenting every gay person he could. We know for sure that he won’t have that opportunity now.

        We can never know just how much suffering Mr. Cedeno has prevented.

        I, for one, do not question the justice of his actions.

        And here’s a possible silver lining: other teenage anti-gay bigots may hesitate to be cruel in the future, lest their target also seek revenge with a knife.

        • JustDucky

          Most of the civilized world has laws against hate speech because it is so profoundly harmful. But the only countries that execute people for speech are hellholes.

          And arguing in favor of executing a minor? For what he may have done in the future?

          What the actual fuck?

      • DJ John Bear

        The school indeed messed up and the victim of the bullying took matters into his own hands. Tragic all the way around…

      • Silver Badger

        But they didn’t. Abel did need to stop it himself. In this case, the kid wasn’t murdered, he committed suicide, aided and abetted by the school and probably his family as well.

        • JustDucky

          That doesn’t mean his choice was just. It means his choice was tragic.

          • Silver Badger

            His choice was tragic. Both their choices were tragic. A good gay kid ruined for life, is tragic. A bully who choose to be a bully is tragic. That the bully paid with his life for his evil, not so much.

          • JustDucky

            Fifteen. He was fifteen. Fifteen year olds are, developmentally speaking, a fucking mess. Studies have found that children in early adolescence have poorer judgement than prepubescent children. There is a damned good reason it’s wrong when minors are tried as adults: they aren’t.

            I understand why Able did what he did. And I can empathize, especially because he’s still a kid. But his life, as you have noted, is probably over. The life of the fifteen year old kid he murdered is definitely over. The kids in that classroom who saw their classmate die will be traumatized for years to come. None of these kids deserved this. They all deserved better. This isn’t what justice looks like.

          • Silver Badger

            No Just retribution perhaps. The dead kid won’t bully again. The classmates have first hand experience to teach their children. As far as I’m concerned, Abel is the only victim here. The rest got exactly what they deserved.

          • JustDucky

            I get why you hate the dead kid. If you hate the teacher I get that, too. But to hate every other kid in that classroom enough to believe they deserved to watch someone die?

            You ought to think about talking to someone about the stuff that has left you feeling this way. No judgement intended; pretty sure we all have scars. Wishing you the best.

          • fuow

            I knew the psychobullshit was coming. Wrong. Enabler of the bullies.

          • JustDucky

            So every single kid except the one who fucking murdered someone is a bully?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4ce0488bd0706598306cc9e59924c21687e0592220463e3641587b7bd2b6037.jpg

          • fuow

            Fuck that. Little monsters got what they deserved.

  • HZ81

    Ugh, so terrible. Don’t know what to say. I was bullied in high school to that point, but took the self-harm route instead, as many others have.

    No words. Just sadness all around.

    • Silver Badger

      Having been bullied by both classmates and family as a teen, by sympathy is with Abel. Perhaps we should start a defense fund.

      • HZ81

        I would contribute in a second.

    • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

      I stabbed a kid who bullied me daily with a fingernail file. He cried, and never bothered me again. Back in the old days, you could do this without getting arrested, apparently.

      The school didn’t do diddly when I complained, so I had to take care of it myself. (90 lbs, braces and glasses. What’s not to bully there?)

      • pj

        the thugs dont need an excuse.

  • JT

    Where were the caretakers in the school when this extended period of abuse was going on?

    • SoCalVet

      same place they’ve been for the past 100 years. “we don’t give a shit” land.

      • Bryan

        That sounds too-familiar.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Looking the other way….

    • Treant

      Carefully not seeing anything as they do with anybody who’s bullied. They talk a good game, but…

      • Silver Badger

        It has been my experience that the “caretakers” joined in the bulling.

        • Treant

          Mine as well. On the up side, I learned a whole bunch of really filthy words.

          • Silver Badger

            Me too.

        • Charlie In SF

          I was bullied by both when I was in high school

          • Treant

            To this day, people wonder why I don’t put up with any shit. Be nasty with me and trust me, I can out-nasty that person effortlessly.

          • Silver Badger

            You bet. I once told a young woman to never get into a nasty fight with an old queen. Not only would she lose, she would get her feelings hurt.

          • Treant

            As evidenced by my intolerance for bullshit around here. 🙂

          • Christopher

            I have made numerous people cry, on purpose, just talking to them.

            I was raised in a cruel environment. I can be just as cruel using words as weapons.

          • FAEN

            I’m sorry you were raised in such an environment matey.

          • Treant

            I’m sure you noticed…so can I. 🙂

            I won’t generally start the war, but I’ll certainly continue it, and I will, by God, finish it.

          • Charlie In SF

            Me 2.

          • fuow

            Me 3.

          • Silver Badger

            In my senior year I had a teacher tell me in class that I was too feminine to help him put up his fence. This was after an entire summer digging post holes for my stepfather.

        • David Milley

          My experience, also. I learned that looking to school authorities for help only escalated the bullying. One teacher took me aside with one of my bullies and his sidekick and then — having worked herself into a rage about “people like you” — told me to save time and kill myself. Another time, when a kid I’d never seen before sucker-punched me, the guidance counselor asked me what I’d done to him to deserve it. Fun times.

          In the ’90s, when I learned that they’d razed the school for a parking lot, I thought, “just like in ‘Carrie’.”

          My heart goes out to young Mr. Cedeno.

        • Tread

          After I was outed my senior year, I had my basketball coach call me a fag in front of my teammates. I was ostracized by my high school’s male staff and they encouraged the male students to do the same. Before that, it was subtle acts of homophobia, but being older I recognize now what was going on.

          • FAEN

            That’s awful. Glad you got through it. We all have horror stories it seems.

            In college my roommate threatened my life because I’m gay. The school did nothing to protect me-in fact they made it clear if I made a fuss they would make my life hell. He was an athlete…you know how that goes.

            I have always regretted not being braver. Instead I feel I gave him the permission to act like this with other gay people and gave the school permission to do nothing about it.

            It was a traumatic time to say the least and I was an adult with friends to support me. I’m not surprised this kid lost it. Never easy to deal with that kind of abuse specially when you’re younger.

        • Goodboy

          Yep. We have a winner!

          • Silver Badger

            Not a winner, we are all winners simply by surviving and, for the most part, thriving.

      • David Milley

        Hubby points out that teachers like the bullies because they act as enforcers to keep the other kids quiet and cowed. No need to deal with the targets’ needs, then.

        • Treant

          Your husband is very wise. They also keep the smart kids from asking questions, moving beyond the source material, and making more work.

          It worked for me. I just wanted to go home at 3 PM.

          • David Milley

            They kept sending me off to the library to study on my own. It was definitely respite from the bullying.

        • Robert Cummins

          You’re absolutely right, David. Bullies have always helped in subduing large crowds and keeping the weak “in line”. Many teachers also looked at school as a survival of the fittest where the weak and vulnerable could be weeded out and marginalized and the strong could thrive in their rightful place in society.

          On the flip side, many teachers did nothing out of pure fear. I remember some of the hooligans from middle school. Even I would have been reluctant to do a lot against then if I was a teacher. If I did, it would been with the understanding that I was risking my life to do so.

          Until we pay teachers well enough to attract the kind of people that could make a difference, and shell out enough money to have more teachers in order in have smaller class sizes, tragedies like this will continue to happen.

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            Until we pay teachers well enough to attract the kind of people that could make a difference . . .
            In the Nordic countries, school teachers are respected, educated, and paid (!!) as professionals on the same level as physicians and lawyers. As with so many other advances in the civilized world, I despair of that ever happening here.

          • EastCoastJ

            Too many gangsta students in the U.S.

        • pluky

          like kapos.

          • David Milley

            Yep, exactly like.

    • Librarykid

      The story in today’s NYT painted a picture of a school where none of the administration did anything. This student’s mother had been there to talk to them about the bullying, but she is stuck in Puerto Rico. Other parents said that they had to patrol the halls of the school themselves to keep their children safe. One mother went to complain about a student pulling her daughter’s hair and was told to put it in a bun so she took her out of school. The principal should be running a sewage treatment plant since all he can manage is shit.
      The lead up to the stabbing was the student being pelted from behind all morning with bits of pencils and paper. He stood up and said something to one of the boys who slugged him and then he took the knife to him. Good riddance to bad trash. The bully’s friend came over to attack and was attacked himself. He lost so much blood from his biceps that he fainted on the floor. Sounds like temporary insanity to me.

      • Goodboy

        I didn’t realize it was that bad. These bullies brought it on themselves. I call this self defense.

        • Shy Guy

          Sadly, I fear buying an illegal weapon 2 weeks in advance will really hurt his defense.

          • Goodboy

            Maybe but I think all of us would’ve had a weapon at hand with this history of abuse.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Sounds as if self defense is a reasonable way to frame this. The other two charged him, and there was documentation of an abusive environment for a number of students.

        • EastCoastJ

          Self-defense is a totally reasonable way to frame it. Any ghetto thug school in the Bronx is rough to begin with, and gangstas hate the flamboyant gay types. I bet he was tormented daily, and fortunately judges and juries are sympathetic to that now. A lot will also depend on who has the worse criminal record: the “gay boy” or the two thugs who got slashed. Etc.

    • Christopher

      In my case, sitting right next to me and my bully, and she did nothing. Well, that’s not true. When I finally stood up for myself I got sent to the principal’s office.

      Nothing ever happened to my bully in that situation, but the very next year in Jr. High, he got his comeuppance. His last name is Bates so…

      He was trying to be a smartass with one of the teachers,and thought he was cool. Without missing a beat the teacher very loudly told him “Master Bates, if you don’t quit you’ll be heading to the Vice Principal’s office!”

      From that moment on he was always called Masturbates. The name stuck all the way through high school.

      • FAEN

        Served that fucker right.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Purrrrr-fect.

    • Smith_90125

      The same place as the cops and prosecutor in Missouri or neonazis.

      When they hate the victim, they allow harassers and terrorists to commit crimes woth impunity. And any attempt at self-defence is labelled “aggression”.

    • Probably doing nothing because the kid was gay.

      That’s why it’s so annoying to see new reports like the above not mention the sexual orientation factor at all like it’s irrelevant to the circumstances.

    • Oh, Parker

      If they were anything like the ones I had they were blaming him, saying it was his place on the “pecking order” and insinuating he deserved what he got. There are some seriously incompetent guidance counselors and other faculty in our schools.

    • Todd20036

      Lawyering up against a civil suit, I’d guess.

    • Gest2016

      I was bullied in high school and I’m sorry I identify with the rage this bullied gay feels 100%. If I had had a means of killing my tormenters without consequence I would, for they wished my own annihilation. Its merely self defense.

  • Tawreos

    3 lives ruined because some people just can’t live and let live.

  • Jonathan Smith

    tell me again how bullying does not harm anyone?

    • Silver Badger

      Wrong place to ask that question.

      • acde

        Everybody on JMG should put that question out everywhere. It is critical

      • Jonathan Smith

        yeah. unfortunately.

  • Bad Tom

    Three lives destroyed. That is so sad.

  • shellback

    Tragic. So unnecessarily tragic. Thanks religion – you get the lion’s share of blame for this.

    • DJ John Bear

      Donald Trump’s hateful rhetoric should get the rest of the blame.

      • FAEN

        He’s certainly opened the floodgates to all the hate.

        PS-As always, good to see your handsome face.

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          Thanks and hugs 🙂

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            Back atcha 😊

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        • EastCoastJ

          I doubt two teenaged black thugs in the Bronx are following what Trump says.

          • FAEN

            Meaning he hasn’t opened the doors to more hate?

          • EastCoastJ

            I don’t think so. And certainly not going by this cases like this. That’s a rough high school to start with.

          • FAEN

            Wow-you don’t think Trump has emboldened the nazi’s and other hate groups? Amazing.

          • EastCoastJ

            Nazis ? What do Nazis do ? Walk around with torches ? As long as Trump prevents another Pulse massacre, like he has so far, it’s good with me. (He already foiled the Muslim plot to bomb gay bars in San Francisco this year)

          • FAEN

            Um what? We just had a mass shooting in Vegas. What has he prevented?

          • EastCoastJ

            What does a lunatic in Las Vegas have to do with Muslims wanting to kill gays strictly for reasons of homophobia? There have always been spree (or rampage) killers in the U.S under every President (the U.S. isn’t even number one as far as they go..) but Islamic terrorism is a new thing gays have to deal with. For such a small part of the population Muslims have tried to mass murder U.S. gays five times already (only Pulse wasn’t foiled).

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      • EastCoastJ

        I doubt two teenaged black thugs in the Bronx are following Donald Trump.

    • jmax

      I’m not disagreeing with you, but most of the bullies I grew up with weren’t religious at all. Lots of 15-16 year-old kids don’t need religion as a reason to be cruel. They just are.

      • shellback

        Being religious is not necessary to be adversely effected by religious doctrine. They keep the hate alive. You must be taught to hate – I don’t believe it comes naturally.

      • Gest2016

        I bet the rest of the bullies at that school think long and hard before they terrorize another gay kid again. I don’t condone physical attacks or murder, but bullies are on notice, you’re playing with fire and are liable to get burned.

        • EastCoastJ

          I don’t know about that. Some of those teen gangstas are pretty stupid.

      • EastCoastJ

        If you see pics of the two thugs that were tormenting this kid, you’ll agree I doubt they followed any religious teachings.

    • Publius

      And also there’s a little bit of blame for the student. Sometimes people are actually responsible for their own behavior.

      • Goodboy

        Sometimes people just get pushed over the edge.

        The blame at this point should be squarely put on the school officials who stood by and did nothing.

        • Publius

          That’s a dangerous precedent. We shouldn’t absolve an adult of blame for their violence simply because they felt pushed over the edge. There are plenty examples of mass murderers who felt the same, who were bullied and took to violence. Should we entertain the grievances of those murderers too?

          No. There is no excuse for violence.

          • Goodboy

            How do you feel about battered wives killing their husbands after years of abuse. Sometimes you just have to make exceptions.

          • Publius

            This was an adult, legally entitled to walk away. I feel sorry for him that he was bullied, but being bullied doesn’t give you a license to kill.

          • unclemike

            No, it doesn’t, and I fully support his being prosecuted to the fullest extent.

            But it sure does give you a clearer understanding of the situation and his feelings.

          • FancyThat

            And generally speaking, it’s very rare for the bullies to be the ones who end up dead. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a1f99e50c178681fa6a2c8587264380f4fb8a4aaae3ad49dafa5e3b9a047459.jpg

          • WilloSF

            Barely 18 does not make him fully adult, just legally; and he was not legally entitled walk away as he was legally required to be there in that school with the bullies.

          • Publius

            In New York education is compulsory through 16.

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            In 21st Century USA, finishing high school is a bare-bones minimum requirement that you don’t just walk away from.

          • MusicBear88

            Well, like those cases, we’ll have to see what a jury says. Jury nullification is a very real thing, and if a jury sees fit to return a “not guilty” verdict, no matter what the evidence is, there’s nothing that a judge can do about it.

    • vorpal 😼

      They cause the problems, and then they use the effects of their torture against us by saying that the fact that LGBT people are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, experience depression and anxiety, and commit suicide is evidence that being LGBT is disordered.

      Then on top of that, they purport to be the “cure” to being LGBT.

      These people are the scum of society, telling themselves that they have empathy and care when all they do is hate, abuse, and torture anyone different from them.

      • Goodboy

        Yep. Most of us just take it. We end up fucked up later in life.

        • Christopher

          We should all send our therapy bills to the churches where we grew up.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Interesting that, according to that thinking, the only way out is through them.

      • JWC

        The old saying goes “If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem’ In the case ot the religious right and the Trump midset there are not “part” of the problem they ARE the problem

        • EastCoastJ

          Two black teen thugs are…trump followers ??

      • EastCoastJ

        No. In this case it was gangsta rap music. Not religion.

    • narutomania

      And what about the parents of these bullies? I would suspect that the parents talk freely at home using plenty of racial slurs and negative language about LGBTQ people.

      • Todd20036

        The parent of the bullies deserve the misery they’re feeling.

      • EastCoastJ

        Hard to say. The parents did seem kind of gangsta thuggy too.

    • Gest2016

      Thats one way to increase sensitivity about bullying. Sorry for the dead kid, but what bullies do is try to murder peoples soul, which in my mind is no less a crime than murder. I’m not advocating bullied gays murder anybody, but this incident shines a light on the terrible violence of gay bullying — and the terribly violent consequences it can invoke. This incident also points to the fact that gays will no longer play dead and roll over and lead damaged lives in the closet. Its a whole new world and if the heteronormative terrorists think they can continue to enforce the disgusting ancient Abrahamic codes in a modern multicultural world, they’ve got a thing or two coming.

  • Lazycrockett

    18 also tried as an adult. smh

    • Tulle Christensen

      These days even a 15 year old would be

      • The_Wretched

        Most places are going down to 10-12 for serious crime.

  • Michael

    Why can’t there be a “gay panic” defense with this?

  • JT

    It would be good if bullies were to learn a lesson from this sad event. But I won’t count on it.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    If he were a cop, he would likely not even be charged if the other student(s) had…
    “Reached for his waistband”
    “Moved in an aggressive manner”
    “Walked in an threatening way”

  • crookedstr8

    I walked in his shoes all through middle school and high school. There were times it was so bad that I probably would have used a knife if I’d had one…..I hope he gets a sympathetic jury. Honestly, I’d find him innocent. He’s been tormented for years. It’s no different than a battered wife FINALLY killing her abusive husband.

    • j.martindale

      I was bullied, too, over 50 years ago. I know the feeling. And while time doesn’t heal all wounds, the anger and hurt do fade over the years with maturity and with the acceptance many of us were able to find in our gay communities later in life. So our message needs to be to tell these kids to find help–to demand help and to demand change in the schools. And the parents need to do the same. It gets better. Don’t ruin your lives with a moment of retribution.

      • David Milley

        This! I don’t know the best way to get this message through to kids who are in the middle of that long period of torment, but it’s important to keep trying. We need to find every possible way to let the targets of bullies know that there is wonder and joy to be found afterward.

        • j.martindale

          I am very afraid that this poor young man’s episode may lead other kids to this type of violence. And while I understand their anguish, that is the most self-destructive thing they could do.

          • crookedstr8

            And I say STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Don’t use a knife or a gun, but stand up for yourself. When I got to college, I’d finally had enough, and I pushed a “ministry” student up against the wall, and told him to shut his mouth or he could tell all his friends that a faggot whooped his ass….He shut up, and it did wonders for my self-esteem…and BTW, if you live in the South or in a small town, it doesn’t get better like it does in coastal cities or gay-accepting areas. I SAY STAND UP FOR YOURSELF; CARRY MACE. Don’t take sh*t…a fag basher will think twice about bullying a gay guy AFTER he gets his a$$ whooped by one.

    • Hryflex

      It got so bad for me in 8th grade with a vice-principal siding with my tormentor, my mother screaming that “if I find out that you hit anyone I just won’t be able to hold my head up in the grocery store”, and my father who worked 60 hours a week telling me to “just ignore them”, that I actually hid a knife in my bookbag, ready to do the deed that day. How my mother noticed one of twenty knives missing, I’ll never know.

  • acde

    Watch the bullies become the victims

    • Silver Badger

      That I would truly enjoy. Wait, you meant they would claim victim-hood.

      • acde

        Yep, I did. Just watch the lawyers and hate machine spin that one, emboldened by the trumpian atmosphere of division and hate

  • Ross

    My older brother destroyed my childhood with his constant bullying and abuse.

    Looking back, I should have stabbed him.

    I am serious.

    • Kelly Lape

      Is your life so pathetic now that it would have been better spent in jail? Sad.

      • Silver Badger

        What is pathetic is your response. Shame on you, Kelly.

      • DJ John Bear

        Nice. Childhood is a period of time that we never get back. Until you’ve experienced being bullied and tormented, I’ll suggest that you keep your pathetic remarks to yourself.

      • PeedeResistance

        From the commenter who downthread attempted to imply that this was premeditated murder? By the way, premeditation is casting yourself as a vigilante, buying weapons months in advance, stalking your victim, and then claiming ‘stand your ground.’–or do you not know of the Martin case?
        Truly pathetic.

      • Robincho

        Bite me, bitch…

      • Randy Ellicott

        OK Kelly, having seen your responses on here its clear you are being as closed minded and cruel as you are accusing everyone else as being. Most on here have experience with being bullied relentlessly through childhood becasue they could not hide who they were as a child, and they can empathize and understand why this kid did this. Its great that your life was so nice that you dont have the experiences to share this empathy, but you are now acting like a republican and not looking at the root cause in order to fix the situation but at the results to justify your world view and fixing nothing. That is quite sad.

      • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

        Time to log off, dear.

      • David Milley

        What’s sad is making nasty, judgmental comments about people who have the courage, having survived torment, to share their stories in empathy with one who hasn’t.

        • Kelly Lape

          The man publicly stated he wished he murdered his brother. You’re damned right I’m making a judgmental comment here. The idea that anyone could read that and not be appalled is just frightening. His final comment “I AM SERIOUS” – he wished he murdered his brother. Is it a stretch from I wish I had to future action? Is this a cry for help? I FUCKING SLAPPED HIM AS HARD AS I COULD – No human being should be able to publicly state a murder wish and not have a negative response. What the fuck is wrong with you?

          • Tread

            Right, you’re such a virtuous pillar of the community. Fuck off already. You’re not welcome here.

          • EastCoastJ

            He’s not welcome here ?? What is this? A Lodge ?

          • Randy Ellicott

            Good thing you are the keeper of all knowledge and experience in the world and you know the full intent and expression that everyone means so you can judge us all…

          • David Milley

            Nothing is wrong with me. Thanks for the gaslight. (plonk)

          • Goodboy

            Christ I don’t believe in murder but after listening to your babbling I’m suddenly feeling different.

          • Do Something Nice

            Lol! You need help. Maybe adjust your meds.

          • Gerry Fisher

            You’re willfully and cruelly ignoring 1) It’s a hypothetical, something that can now never happen, and 2) He wishes that he *defended* himself from torture by killing his brother. We can discuss whether there are or were better options (keep in mind that juries have acquitted people who have done this), but self defense should temper the kind of “how DARE you!” response that you’re spewing. Or it would if you had a heart and were capable of empathy.

            …and we’ll sidestep your desire to meet a violent fantasy with violence of your own (slapping him).

          • Ross

            You are funny.

            You are worried that because my sixty-year-old self wishes that my ten-year-old self had murdered my evil brother that…that…I MIGHT GO ON A MURDER RAMPAGE ANY DAY NOW!!!!!!!!!!

            FYI: I am the kind of guy who, upon finding a spider in the shower, will carfully save it and put it outside.

          • Kelly Lape

            “Looking back, I should have stabbed him.

            I am serious.”

            – You indicate no healing, no forgiveness. You post this on a thread dealing with a murdered bully. I consider the “I am serious” statement alarming.

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            I missed the part where Ross said he wished he murdered his brother. Can you point me to it?
            No? Then perhaps you slow up on your rush to judgement and listen better.
            Two ears, and one mouth. It’s for a reason.

          • Strepsi

            oh, go piss up a rope.

      • Tread

        You’re a disgusting human being.

      • Tulle Christensen

        Normally I would say bless your heart, but for you that is too kind so…

        FUCK YOU

      • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

        The daily mental torture of homophobic bullying is emotional child abuse. Any child that fights back should be considered as acting in self defence. The same way a battered or emotionally abused wife is considered acting in self defence.

      • barrixines

        How’s your life going at the moment? Doesn’t look great from what I’m reading of your comments.

      • Christopher

        Wow!

        What a heartless comment!

        Well, that just got you blocked.

        Fuck you!

      • Ross

        Huh?

        I would have not been charged as an adult. And, you overlook my cunning. NOBODY would have guessed that I had done it.

      • Goodboy

        Ah the resident troll shows up.

      • Gerry Fisher

        You seem nice.

      • pj

        vote down

    • madknits

      My brother bullied me all my life, and when I said anything to my parents, he always said he was only teasing.
      I kicked him in the balls, hard, when I was 15. When my mother saw him writhing on the floor, I told her I was only teasing.

    • Silver Badger

      I feel your pain, Ross. Take comfort in the fact that by stabbing him, he would have won. By enduring, you won.

    • romanhans

      My insane older sister tormented me continually. She started fights with me constantly and when I complained to my parents they said they couldn’t do anything because they didn’t know who started it.

      So, my sympathies, Ross. I moved out when I was 15 and finding freedom and friends and real love has made me happy ever since (while sister and parents crashed and burned). Hope it’s been the same with you.

    • skyweaver

      I’m sorry, Ross. That sounds really frightening to have to endure. I’m glad you’re here and that you survived.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Same here. When I was 13, brother was 27. Parents went on some long bowling tournament out of state.
      He was thrilled to be in charge of the farm and me. I wouldn’t take his shit and that infuriated him.
      He would torment me with an electric Cattle prod. Threw me against the wall looking for needle marks ( lol the last thing I would do )

      I resorted to calling my oldest sister in another state who came to get me.
      She pulled up the lane in a rainstorm, I ran to the car, locked the door just in time as he pummeled and screamed at my window like a deranged maniac. .
      A fucking movie scene.

      • Ross

        It sounds like we had the same older brother.

        When I was twelve, my parents also went away and put my older brother in charge. He almost suffocated me to death, and then body kicked me repeatedly when I gasped for air.

        When he finally left I was curled into a fetal position on the floor, wracked with silent sobs.

        • FAEN

          OMG-what the fuck was his problem??

          Has he ever apologized?

          • Ross

            Apologize??????????

            For what? Because (as he saw it) it was MY fault and I deserved it.

            Unsurprisingly, I have not seen my brother since the 1980s. He grew into an adult bully, and has been in jail numerous times, likely killed his wife, and brutalized his son.

          • FAEN

            Sorry matey-didn’t mean to upset you.

            Your brother is clearly psychotic.

          • Ross

            You could never upset me.

          • Strepsi

            In that case, despite the well-meaning themes above, yeah, I kind of wish you had stabbed him (and been not caught, and happy and here with us ;))

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          We both made it out.

      • Christopher

        WOW!

        Guess I should be grateful that my brother, who’s eleven years older, just ignored me.

        My much older sisters on the other hand, well one of them tried to drown me in a pool on more than one occasion. She was “just teasing” too. The other sister was/is so drunk all of the time that everything gets passed her.

        It really is a fucking miracle that I didn’t grow up to be a serial killer.

        Well, there’s still time. 😉

    • FAEN

      Christ that sounds awful. I’m sorry Ross.

      *Hugs*

  • Chucktech

    Reflects rather badly (and tellingly) on McCree’s parents. Wonder what they’re like?

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    And the christian right do not want homophobic bullying confronted. Because denigrating gay youth is something they do not see as a problem. They have blood on their hands.

    • Chucktech

      They’re not bullying, they’re just spreading the “Good News” that you’re going to hell. In Jeezy’s name, of course.

    • Silver Badger

      They glory in it and encourage their children to do the same.

  • romanhans

    And immediately the police start discrediting the gay kid who had to kill someone because he couldn’t get anyone to help him.

    NY Daily News story #1: “Abel Cedeno stabbed a 15-year-old student he said had been bullying him since they first started attending school together.”

    And story #2, from the same day: “NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said Thursday that the fatal confrontation … was the first beef between the students.”

    Got that? The “victims” never harassed the kid, according to the police.

    This seems like part of the reason they can’t stop bullying in NY schools: liars trying to put the blame on the REAL victims.

    • The_Wretched

      Like hell is was a first go.

    • DJ John Bear

      As was said in some previous posts, cops tend to be cut from the same dirty cloth…

    • Treant

      It’s a thing. If the person was bullied it was, obviously, justified. Therefore everybody else is justified in laying right on.

      At one place I worked, one fellow was exceptionally shy and, I think, on the autism spectrum. They called him by an incredibly belittling nickname. I always called him by his name, and pointed out that he hated that.

      Not that it changed most people, but a few got the idea when I got rather forceful about it.

  • Andrea King

    Toxic masculinity destroys three lives. How many more billions to go?

  • m_lp_ql_m

    I wish we could see the faces of the people who were stabbed. For many reasons.

    • EastCoastJ

      They’re black so of course they won’t show them here.

  • Treant

    Don’t put me on that jury. As somebody who was bullied for more than a decade, I’d nullify that jury faster than you can say, “Not guilty.”

    Been there, didn’t do that, can’t believe I didn’t, won’t blame others for doing it. Justifiable homicide! Next!

    • GeneInSJ

      I can’t blame others for doing it either. I would rather he’d just punch the guy in the face but I do understand the rage.

      • Kelly Lape

        Rage is instantaneous. Premeditated is buying a knife online two weeks before the crime.

        • Treant

          Not necessarily. He may have had vague ideas of using it to threaten them and get them to back off. That’s not premeditation.

          • Ross

            And yep.

        • Randy Ellicott

          he was being bullied he could have bought the blade for self defense and snapped in the classroom.

          • Ross

            Yep.

        • Beagle

          The bully was throwing pencils at him. When he asked the bully to stop, the bully hit him. Why didn’t he have the right to defend himself?

          • Kelly Lape

            Please show me where the bully hit him (reference) – I’ve seen that the 15 year old child threw a pencil and missed. The murderer rose and started toward the child, the child stood and was stabbed in the chest.

            If the 15 year old child was indeed assaulting him, then I will of course defend his right to defend himself. That’s not the reporting I’ve seen.

          • Beagle

            You should have read the articles that Joe linked. The bully HIT Cedeno with a pencil. At that point, Cedeno was justified in fighting back. If you wanted to argue that Cedeno used excessive force, that isn’t murder — at most, it’s manslaughter.

            But you go ahead and keep defending the bullies and blaming the victims.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Do yourself a favor, and sit on a real criminal jury. At least someone will school your ass on the true meaning of premeditation.

          • Kelly Lape

            Premeditation is what the jury says it is. That’s why they’re there. The judge may instruct the jury on the law, but the jury is there to interpret the case as the law applies. Do yourself a favor and think about how an American Jury will rule regarding a gay defendant.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Premeditation is what the jury says it is.

            Get back to us when you’ve sat on a real criminal trial with a premeditation charge. And been instructed on what you’re allowed to consider premeditation.

            Or just get “Murder for Dummies” from Amazon.

        • Amanda B. Rekendwith

          Premeditated is buying the knife with the intent to use it as he did. It’s also very possible he bought the knife only to give himself a sense of security, and as a threat against any future harassment.
          You do not know his motivation in purchasing the knife, so it’s wrong for you to suggest this was a premeditated crime.

      • DJ John Bear

        Sometimes though, bullies travel in packs. And if it winds up being a number of bullies against one, unless the victim carries a weapon it’s a losing situation. Can you imagine punching one of the bullies in the face, and then having a multiple of his friends ganging up on you and hurting and/or possibly killing you in the process? Unfortunately, the 18-year-old did what he felt he had to do. Not that I think it was the best means however.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Not that I think it was the best means however.

          A clean cut to the carotid with a box-cutter. Now THAT’S style.

    • Yeah, I imagine we’re all uncomfortably sympathetic. A sad waste of two lives.

      • Jonathan Smith

        their lives were “wasted” when SOMEONE taught them so much hate.

  • Riccardo Capachilli

    A hard lesson learned all around.

  • Prost Seattle

    After columbine, I honestly thought that would be the moment when people realized that they may not like everybody, but the had better at least that people respectfully. That loner kid with no friends, who just doesn’t quite fit in may have access to an arsenal of weapons at home.

    I wish kids weren’t so cruel.
    I wish adults wern’t So cruel.
    I need some puppy and kitten kisses right about now, because my heart is breaking over this event. We all know exactly how this young man was tormented.

  • Steverino

    All the usual suspects in the christianist hate groups to exploit this tragedy in 3… 2… 1…

  • Tawreos

    15 would be a freshmen, 18 would be a senior. If the bullying has been going on since they started attending school together it has been about a month or so. Maybe this particular school works differently and maybe they know each other outside of school, but this seems like it may be a bit extreme for a month of bullying. I am not trying to let anyone off the hook, bullying is wrong. Period. I just think there is more to this story than we are getting so far.

    • David Milley

      My guess is that Abel Cedeno had been bullied for years, by many other students, and that he only struck out at the latest bully.

      • Tawreos

        That is entirely possible

      • Bj Lincoln

        That and he was being bullyed from the start during his first year in high school and could not face another 4 years of it. Maybe he was hoping high school would be better than Jr. High and it turned out not to be.

    • Dicky

      The school goes from 6-12. So there could have been 3 more years of direct contact at this school alone.

      • Tawreos

        That helps it make a bit more sense.

    • Eric in Oakland

      Most 15 year olds would be sophomores and most seniors would only be 17.

  • Kelly Lape

    Wow. One kid murdered and another kid “horribly slashed” and the only sympathy is with the the guy with the knife.

    Let’s assume he was bullied. Let’s assume he tried to get help. The decision he make to take violently assault his bullies is indefensible. He has thrown away his own life as well as taken the life of another. Of all the possible things he could have done, not one of them would have had such an awful outcome for everyone – bully, the kid, their families. All destroyed. There is no silver lining here.

    • Prost Seattle

      I feel for the other kids that they were raised in an environment where empathy was completely lacking.

    • barrixines

      Precious little empathy from you on why other posters here might feel the way they do.

      • Kelly Lape

        I feel empathy for victims. This blog is read by “Christian” haters who are going to use these blurbs for propaganda.

        Additionally I honestly feel that there is no excuse for murder. My sympathy ended when the knife entered the victim. You can’t become a murderer (the ultimate bully) and then claim you’re the victim. There are justifiable murders such as self defense, but I’ve seen nothing to imply the killer’s life was in danger.

        How can we expect others to respect us if we don’t acknowledge such a simple thing as murder is bad?

        • Randy Ellicott

          You have also not seen any evidence that he didn’t think his life was in danger, you just started attacking people for sharing their experiences that are very similar to this kids. stop being so close minded and listen, you might learn something.

          • Kelly Lape

            It’s one thing to share your experiences, it’s another to call homicide justifiable.

          • Randy Ellicott

            Neither you nor anyone else on this site has all the information you have no idea what the real situation was, it could be or it could not be justifiable. Your life must be so pure and happy that you never had to experience what so many on here have, but you might want to stop attacking and listen, you might learn something… though judging from your tone i dont think you will since you are sitting on your throne with all the wisdom in the world…

          • Joe in PA

            Well said Randy.

          • David Milley

            Aye.

          • Bj Lincoln

            I don’t think anyone here is justifying killing a bully. We understand why a victim could be pushed to do something so horrible but we are not condoning it.

          • Kelly Lape

            I believe he stopped being a victim when he committed murder.

          • Beagle

            So what did the bully become when he committed battery? Why didn’t the victim have the right to defend himself?

          • Kelly Lape

            Calling names isn’t battery. Throwing a pencil and missing is assault not battery, but I’m not aware of any Jurisdiction in America where the punishment for assault is death. This 18 year old “victim” was judge, jury, and executioner of a 15 year old child. If a cop had done this you’d be outraged, why on Earth does the murderer being a gay man make it okay?

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            Have murder charges been laid or are you out in front with your opinion?

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            Has a charge of homicide been laid or are you out in front with your opinion?

        • barrixines

          Firstly I don’t feel the need to live my life like Christians are watching me. If we said nothing they’d make up shit anyway.

          I think it’s a fucking miracle that so many people are here on JMG and able to tell their stories. We lose so many of our family along the way. It’s heartbreaking that this terrible incident hits so many people here very deeply.

          Sometimes it’s wiser just to listen.

          • Kelly Lape

            If you’ve never been of an opinion that is against the group mentality that festers on this blog, then I question your ability to think for yourself.

            Take a look at any (hell every) article and find an opposing viewpoint. Look at the attacks on those views. I will not cower from a bunch of sheep unable to think for themselves and “… just listen” I will always speak up. I will always state my case and be damned with the naysayers.

            The assholes that amuse me most are the idiots so willing to label an opposing view as a “troll” – then accuse me of not having an open mind.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            I must have skipped over it, but who called you a troll?

          • barrixines

            I’ve had an opinion differing from most posters here on several occasions. I’d like to think I managed that difference with a great deal less matyrdom. You were really shitty here to someone talking about their own painful experience. There was absolutely no need for it. You could have stated your opinion about this case without attacking other people. I am with the sheep and the assholes on this one.

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            You were really shitty here to someone talking about their own painful experience.
            This.
            Bears repeating.

          • Randy Ellicott

            Get off the cross dear, look at this very thread where people are taking a stance closer to yours (without the judgment and obvious self hatred) and you will see people having discussions, not arguing moronic attitudes like you are.

          • pj

            troll

          • Kelly Lape

            Bully

          • pj

            oh please troll. i read what you wrote. that you call me a bully in this thread proves it. fuck off

        • Tread

          Oh no! We should be so careful of what we say in front of those scary Christians, lest they form a terrible opinion of us. Frankly, I don’t feel my day is complete unless I offend some fake, pious, self-hating Christianist.

        • Beagle

          The bully hit him. He hit back. Why is it his fault?

          • Kelly Lape

            He didn’t hit back. He plunged a knife into the heart of a 15 year old child. He committed murder.

    • Tread

      Oh good. Glad you decided to drop by and straight-splain why us gays should be horrified. Thanks for that.

      • Kelly Lape

        Because if I disagree with you I must be straight? Thanks for pulling my gay union card. Can I get my dues back?

        • Tread

          No, but you and your self-righteous ass can go sit on your fucking cross.

        • Beagle

          Excuse me — you’re the one that says that if a bully attacks a gay man, then the gay man is just supposed to stand there and take it. You’re the one that says gay men have no right of self-defense, no right to hit back.

          • Kelly Lape

            Where do I say that? Don’t put words into my writing. I said Murder is wrong. The 15 year old threw a pencil at the 18 year old. The 15 year old called the 18 year old names. The 18 year old Murdered the 15 year old. That’s not standing up for himself, that’s murder. That’s not self defense, that’s murder. That’s not hitting back, that’s murder. MURDER what part of MURDER inspires you to defend it?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Like Generalissimo Francisco Franco, he’s still dead. Good.

  • Achilles Tsakiridis

    As a kid who was bullied from the age of 6 to 18 . Relentlessly and incessantly… so much so that I want to jump off roofs . As a kid who told teachers who laughed and told me to stop being so sensitive .. As a kid who who couldn’t believe the injustice without a voice . Absolutely and completely . I say, oh fucking well. He won’t be bullying anyone else will he ? Good .

    • Treant

      I’m with you on this one. I’ve also never gone to a reunion because…like I want to see these people?

      But I do take great snarky schadenfreude in noting the person who was called ugly, useless, told I didn’t matter, told to shut up, and hit or punched every day…now looks better than every single one of them. And from reports, one of the few in a relationship that even approaches happy. And the only one in a relationship that actually IS happy and pretty damned idyllic.

      • madknits

        I considered the years from 7th grade to 12th to be the years of state sponsored terrorism. I’ve never been to a reunion, either. And someone tried to add me to a FB group for our high school, and it had me out of there as fast as I could type.

        • Treant

          I know the feeling. I live in the city where I grew up. Yet my reunion committee has no idea what my address is.

          I’m like a ninja.

      • Strepsi

        Treants are just slow-growing. 😉

        • Treant

          Centuries… 🙂

  • Blake J Butler

    Schools should be prepared to work with this population, ignoring it even though they know it happens only makes incidents like this more prevalent. All the more important why schools and their staff need cultural competency training to work with their students and their likely problems that may surface in bullying scenarios.

    Probably could have been avoided if precautions were taken to educate and assimilate students and be prepared to deal with individual cases where education and assimilation do not work and the bullying persists.

    Because 2 lives at least are over with one being dead, the other likely going to jail, and other their fate is uncertain right now.

  • Joe in PA

    Thanks Melania. Good job.

    • Treant

      “Is just fag.” –Melania Trump

      • Joe in PA

        Eggszackly.

    • EastCoastJ

      Like black thug teens listen to her.

  • worstcultever

    Like that old defense attorney famously said – “Some people just need killin.”

  • Gigi

    “Horrified classmates howled in disbelief as Cedeno flew into a homicidal fury…” And I’ll be neither they nor their teachers said a fucking thing as Cedeno was being tormented for being gay. What a terrible tragedy!

  • OhSoGood

    So unnecessary. This is not how you respond… even with holier-than-thou assholes.

    This is NOT how you react to someone you don’t understand… especially if you’re a “holier-than-thou” asshole.

    This is NOT how you react to a “holier-than-thou” phucknuckle.

    This is just SAD on for everyone involved.

  • Bj Lincoln

    I don’t know what kept me from killing my entire family. They have no idea how lucky they all are. School was not a problem near as much as home. In fact, I joined everything I could at school to keep from going home.

    • Treant

      The other way around for me. School was a constant horror. Home was great.

      So I joined nothing at school–until my junior year of high school when I joined the Yearbook staff–and hung at home.

      Hence, I’m a great gardener, learned to make soap, learned to sew…and a hundred other things. All stuff that didn’t make me interact with horrific, abusive humanity.

      • Joe in PA

        Same here, I learned how to be under-the-radar in a graduating class of 38. I was good. 🙂

        My regret of course was that I could have been much much more, I found out later that I was actually pretty smart. I excelled at everything once I got out of that environment.

        • Treant

          Yeah, me, too. I really didn’t even flourish at college. Too much emotional damage, I guess, and I just kept under the radar.

          It wasn’t until years later that I started to realize how much I really could do, compared to other people.

          • Robincho

            Plus, you could do other people!… 😉

          • Treant

            I did that in college. But frankly, I think a lot of that was looking for some acceptance, however momentary.

          • Joe in PA

            I read that as “monetary”. Oops. 🙂

          • Treant

            In retrospect, I was mercenary enough to do that without any additional psychological damage. Or not much, anyway.

        • Bj Lincoln

          I hid the fact I was smart even in college. I quit and found a job that took me away from everything and I had a chance to ‘find myself’. I didn’t go back until I was in my late 30’s. By then I knew I could do it and I was smart enough. It wasn’t so much about the degree as it was something I had to do for myself.

      • Gigi

        Childhood was very painful for me. I see kids going through similar things now and I just want to tell them it’ll get better. But then I remember how I felt when people told me that. I thought, “Why can’t it be better NOW?!?!”

        • Joe in PA

          What do you think of the “It Gets Better” campaign? Seriously, not snark question. Maybe I’m looking through it with older, wiser eyes like you say…but I I think I would have liked to see something like that. Hell, I would have liked to have seen any depiction of gay people. I WAS ALONE or so I thought. 🙁

          • Treant

            I can’t speak for Gigi, but I approve of it. It’s great that they get to see adult role models–gay and allies.

            I just wish we could put that much effort into actually enforcing anti-bullying rules and laws as well. Not everybody bullied was LBGT, of course, by a long shot.

          • Gigi

            Good question. For some kids I think it could be a great help. It’s different now that we have access to YouTube where kids can find coming out videos and messages of support from LGBT people and our supporters. If I had that back then and could have sent messages to, and received replies of support from these people, life wouldn’t have seemed so bleak. For me things got do bad that I tried to commit suicide. My father told me to. When I couldn’t go through with it I hated myself for being so weak. What a fucked up time. I really do feel blessed to be where I am today. And I love the community that we have here on JMG!

          • Joe in PA

            Dang, it doesn’t seem right to “up vote” that, but you get the idea. So sorry you went through that. Like Treant, I always had home, however dysfunctional, it was still a loving environment. And safe. Having a father like that is the deffiniton of tragic. I am so so sorry.

            Damn onions.

          • Gigi

            It’s always the onions! 😉

          • David Milley

            Hugs, Gigi.

          • Treant

            Nobody said it, so I will. Fuck your father, he was lousy at his most important job.

          • romanhans

            Being gay was part of the problem with me but the real problem was (1) that some people shouldn’t be parents, and (2) there is nothing their kids can do about it.

          • pj

            my mother was bullied her entire life. and she bullied my brothers and i. one day when i was 17 and the oldest by the way, my mother slapped my youngest brother for no reason. i stood up and got right in her face. i said that is the last time you lay a hand on anyone in this house. have i made myself very clear. and that was the day her abuse ended.

          • Gerry Fisher

            I think it’s a good campaign. I think that there needs to be a “keeping yourself as safe as you can in the meantime” campaign run simultaneously.

          • Joe in PA

            Indeed.

      • Silver Badger

        One of the things we all have in common is that we survived. That can’t be said for all of us. On the bright side, those of us who did survive are tough sob’s.

        • UrsusArctos

          That which doesn’t kill us makes us stronger? Um, no. I prefer – That which keeps me from killing you enables me continue to outrage your sociopathic ass.

          • Treant

            Ten points to Bearindor.!

        • pj

          thank you.

      • PickyPecker

        School was a constant horror for me as well. I became an expert at disappearing from sight.
        Until my Sr. year in HS. I was the Editor In Chief of our HS yearbook (of which I focused the theme on the other kids who also disappeared a lot – got a lot of blowback from the popular kids on that).
        I also joined the theatre department and was the lead in our Sr. play – so much for disappearing. However, I did find out there were actually others just like me and that I was admired for ‘doing’ things.
        lol.

        • Treant

          Awesome! I have no acting talent, but tended to hang with Drama Club just for the…er, friendship. Yeah, friendship.

          I was the Business Manager for my yearbook. But we tended to focus the theme on the Yearbook, Band, and after-school clubs. Basically, as you said, the people who disappeared. But that was our culture and we’d been doing it for ages!

        • David Milley

          I got pretty good at being invisible and staying out of the way. Foolishly went to a local Baptist-run college, so didn’t win free until grad school …

        • Lumpy Gaga

          “Medea”?

      • madknits

        I just made my first batch of soap, hot process. Let it harden for about 5 weeks, and am using it now. Lathers nicely.

        I had it at school and at home. I belonged to the faggy clubs, the literary magazine, the sci fi club, and the drama club (sort of). After school wasn’t as bad as class times, and after school stuff kept me from home.

        • Bj Lincoln

          Debate, Drama, Choir, Glee Club and every stage production from back to front. I was in the orchestra for a few years too.

          • madknits

            We had late buses after school, so I would take the latest one available, which got me home about 5 pm. After dinner I’d try to go out to a friend’s house to study. Anything to get away from my brother.

        • Treant

          Sigh. I weep for us as a species and the way we treat our younglings.

          But congratulations on the successful HP! I tend to prefer CP because of the more tailored look, but HP has the advantage of instant saponification!

          What recipe did you use? Did you super-fat?

          • madknits

            Used a friend’s recipe. I used olive oil, coconut oil, and shea butter. Plus the lye, water, stearic acid, and scent. I’m not going to use tallow. I’d like to try the CP some time. It seemed to be faster (I watched my friend do the CP this past Sunday).

          • Treant

            It’s faster. I’m a very practiced hand and, if nothing seizes up on me, I can do a CP batch in 30 minutes–including cleaning up.

            Many don’t care for tallow. Other bulk oils include lard (my personal favorite as long as it’s fully rendered and deodorized) and palm (which has some environmental issues). But if you like the olive/coconut base combo, that works perfectly, too. They counterbalance each other very well.

      • Bj Lincoln

        We didn’t have a TV for most of my childhood so we all took up hobbies and learned from each other. I carved soap, one made models of WWII stuff in detail, one cooked and one was such an ass I don’t know what he did but make trouble for the rest of us. I learned to sew and embroider from my Great Grandma. I wish I had learned to make lye soap. I can’t find it anywhere now and could use a nice chunk. Great stuff for laundry.

    • Gigi

      I feel your pain, and I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. I didn’t feel safe at school or at home. I spent a lot of time in my head, dreaming of the day when I’d escape my hometown and run away to the big city. I didn’t think I’d ever make it. I’m happy to report that I did. Hopefully you’re in a better place now. You’re here with us at JMG. That’s pretty amazing!

    • skyweaver

      I feel you. I’m glad you are here. Because your being here on this forum is part of what makes it good for me and many others. Cheers.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Thank you.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      In my small rural school there were 3 boys who would bully others.
      Each one eventually committed suicide.

      • Bj Lincoln

        They were probably bullied at home by parents or older siblings so they took it out on others by bullying at school. I know how twisted and hard rural life can be. Religion thrives in the country and has twisted many families into horrible people.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Come to think of it, they were all Catholic.

    • jerry

      Yeah, I had no real problems at school…but constant verbal abuse from my father, who was a teacher, and occasionally my older brother, led me to be out of the house as much as possible. Of course, my parents being devout christians, I probably didn’t help matters by sneaking off to gay bars starting a few months before I turned 16 (1979); and walking out of church when the minister started an anti-gay sermon.

  • worstcultever

    Gah, this is one of those threads where I agree with everyone, or bits of opinions that are overall 180º opposite – I’m just in such anger mode lately, I identify more with the stabber than anybody. But not his extreme actions.

    • Bluto

      me too.

  • Harveyrabbit

    The school is called The Urban Assembly School for Wildlife Conservation. That does not sound like the kind of place that would condone bullying or any kind of similar negative behavior on it’s grounds. I mean you’d think that kids that go to a wildlife conservation school would be at least a little more sensitive to other people’s rights and lifestyles but what do I know?

    I did look at their website to see what more I could find out about it and there’s this description. Seems like quite a liberal and sciency progressive place.

    http://schools.nyc.gov/ChoicesEnrollment/Middle/Directory/school/?sid=7483

    • Unfortunately, there’s a lot of “liberal” and “progressive” and “sciency” trolls out there that don’t give one shit about gay rights.

      Like people who were upset when Obama talked about gay rights when we should have been talking about other, “more important” things.

  • dcurlee

    I can identify. In school being bullied Many times the fantasy of taking those out that made my life a living hell was the only thing that got me through. I can totally understand how he would snap

    • Natty Enquirer

      Really? There is a bright line between fantasizing murder and carrying it out right there, on the spot.

      • The_Wretched

        I occasionally wonder if bullies and assholes understand that there’s a small percentage of people who do snap and will berserk on them or are socio-paths looking for an excuse to let loose.

  • bambinoitaliano

    OMG! The gays are dangerous! Lock them up now! For one bullied kid stabbing of his taunters, thousands were killed by the bigots. No. I do not advocate the gays taking up a violent cause but I understand where he is coming from.

  • DisqusD37

    My thoughts and prayers are with him. And I seriously mean that.

  • Rex

    I think we’ve all experienced bullying in varying degrees. I’ve certainly been hurt and angered to the point of wanting some kind of revenge, but never acted out even in the slightest way. This must have been some over the top shit they were putting him through, or he was very emotionally fragile. Regardless, it’s tragic.

    • Tulle Christensen

      I was lucky, I was bullied at first in high school but after i tutored one of the star football players from failing his math class to a B nothing bad was said to me ever again

      • I wasn’t so lucky. Was bullied by both boys and girls. Actually one girl tired to get her boyfriend angry at me by pretending to be interested in me, so that she could get him to beat me up to “prove” he loved her more. Ugh.

        • Treant

          Did she die horrifically two days before graduation? No?

          Too bad.

          • Sadly, no. There was a different bully though who died three months before graduation, from drug overdose after mixing two designer drugs.

            Very few students outside his bullying clique mourned him, though we did pretend to for the teachers’ sake.

          • Treant

            Fuck that shit. One bully died in a terrible literally-flaming car accident. While it didn’t help me, I still walked around with an irrepressible grin on my face for days.

            It was at that point that I realized one could have a “better dead” list.

          • OdieDenCO

            I had a bully in 6th grade. never saw him again after the class split to feed 2 junior highs. 30 odd years latter exiting the chapel after my mother’s funeral service I cut thru the grave yard to get to the grave side service, I stopped for some reason. when I looked down, I was standing on the grave of my bully. I did a little dance and went to bury my mother. a bright spot in a dismal day.

          • Treant

            It’s nice when people you hate die.

        • DJ John Bear

          Yeah, a bully from high school who vandalized my mother’s house with eggs one night wound up dying a few years ago. Learning about it was actually warm and cuddly for me. And I actually feel bad feeling that way…ugh.

          • The_Wretched

            It’s morally ok to feel how you feel. The question of morality should focus on how you treat others. Otherwise you’re being made to feel bad for “thought crimes.”

  • worstcultever

    Did everybody see that Air Force guy’s excellent speech the other day – basically “if you can’t treat other people with basic respect – GET OUT.” Why the fuck isn’t this the standard in our schools? Why is gratuitous tormenting and abusing of others allowed to just go on?

    • BeaverTales

      How about the parents of this kid? did they ignore it or condone the bullying?

      How about protecting and standing up for your child? If the parents are bullied at work, they have the option of finding another job…the kid is stuck going to a shitty school and getting bullied if the parents don’t act like parents.

      • worstcultever

        How about – “You called this kid a fucking fag all day? You’re suspended. Next time, expulsion. Keep your fucking bully compulsions to yourself if you want to stay in this school. Next.”

        Might have saved the dead kid’s life, and the injured kid’s injuries.

        • JustDucky

          You’re absolutely right. The bullies should have been suspended. The school also should have moved the bullies out of their victim’s class; their schedules should have been rearranged so they wouldn’t have had easy access to him (or each other, in case that was part of the problem). And if they sought him out or started in on a new kid, they should have been gone.

      • barrixines

        I never told my parents I was being bullied at school. They would have seen me as weak – it would have been my fault. My siblings saw what was happening and said nothing. Years later, as an adult, I did tell my parents and the sibling who was present denied it had ever happened to me. My parents didn’t believe it either.

        • DJ John Bear

          So can relate to that. Mom was a maniac and made it impossible to tell her. She would have been “then, you shouldn’t be acting like a queer!!”. She’s come around, but she’s still a maniac.

        • BeaverTales

          If your parents thought you were weak, and didn’t see fit to protect you, did you feel they were good parents? Do good parents make their kids feel ashamed for not being able to cope with life’s injustices and obstacles?

          • barrixines

            I was offering another alternative to condone or ignore – just being completely unaware.

          • BeaverTales

            It seems they were unaware because discussing things in your life that didn’t make them feel proud of you made you feel shame. That is another form of bullying IMHO. My parents treated me the same way.

          • Bj Lincoln

            Good parents do what they can. It is hard to know what goes on in your child’s life when they leave the house. If the kid doesn’t say anything or the school doesn’t bother to say anything how are parents supposed to know? Being snoopy is frowned on. Raiding the kids room regularly is not good parenting either. No parent is perfect and kids will see or take small things and make them huge in their head. It is as hard to be the parent of a teen as it is to be a teen. Even if you keep telling the teen your door is always open and you are there for them, it doesn’t mean they will come to you. You don’t know how the teen will take the invitation. Not all rotten kids come from rotten parents just like not all rotten parents have rotten kids.

          • BeaverTales

            It’s a complex issue and I may be guilty of both oversimplifying it and filtering it through my own experience.

            It’s wonderful to have an open door with your kids,. When the ability to walk through that door depends on a number of conditions that make a kid feel shame and guilt for simply being in a bad situation, it might as well be closed.

            I agree that most good people do their best, but being a good person is no guarantee you’ll also be a good parent. Many parents are ill equipped to teach their children to hold their head up high in a world that is harsh, cruel and unfair because of their own bigotry towards their queer or otherwise “imperfect” children..

            I know that not everyone will agree with this, but some parents seem content to see their kids self-destruct, because it absolves them of the guilt of being inadequate parents.

            Everytime I listen to this interview with Whitney Houston’s mother, I hear my own mother talking…I’m almost 50 years old and I still don’t know if love with conditions (especially the condition that you can’t be yourself) is *really* Love. As a gay person yourself, I’m sure you have a sense of what I’m talking about.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQMfZpfp288

    • Jerry Kott

      Silly you, that is how “Make America Great Again” works. I believe all these anti bullying mantras are window dressing and bull shit.

      • worstcultever

        That’s why the AF guy’s message impressed me. It was pure simplicity, no mushy mantras etc

        • Jerry Kott

          True-ZERO TOLERANCE. I was also moved by the video of the AF leader. We all know that our Culture leads by example and in most Civilized Cultures, leadership comes from the top down. We are not seeing that kind of leadership on the big screen.
          Evil , now has a place at the table.

  • PickyPecker

    Just sad all around.
    Yes, I was bullied all through school. Too much.
    I had a supportive family, but kept most everything to myself.
    I found pot, booze and music.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OGn9XQ6yns

  • grada3784

    What the hell was an 18 year old doing in the same class as 15 and 16 year olds?

    • Texndoc

      Why does that matter as it’s the victims who were 15 and 16, not the assailant, who was 18. Which probably means he’ll be tried as an adult.

      • grada3784

        Adults mixed with children is often a bad mix.

    • kelven

      Most of my classes in high school were attended by freshmen through seniors. I thought most high schools did that as well.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Mine were never mixed. Freshman took Math I, English I and so on. Seniors took Math 4 and English 4.

      • grada3784

        Not likely in New York City schools.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Hate is deadly.
    Teach your kids not to be racists or homophobes.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Tulle Christensen

      I am not often speechless, but that second tweet made me so

      • pj

        is huston working with them? how about florida?

        • pj

          will somebody please impeach that asshole.

  • Lars Littlefield

    I empathize with Abel. I’ve been dangerously close to killing bullies. Something has always held me back. But nothing has ever stopped me from getting even or exacting retribution.

    • Christopher

      When I was in sixth grade I was bullied mercilessly.

      There was one kid in particular who was extremely cruel, and he happened to be sitting right in front of me in class. One day he kept taunting and taunting, and I finally snapped. I stood up and with all of my strength I pummeled him in the back. Later he claimed it didn’t hurt, but it was obvious that he was hurting.

      It’s a damn good thing for him that I didn’t have a knife, he would’ve been dead.

      Impulse control isn’t something that hormone raging teenagers even think about. I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often.

      • Lars Littlefield

        There was a set of twin brothers, The Johnson Boyze, who did their best to destroy my life in high school. They came after me with their posse and a bunch of safety razors and tried to cut off my shoulder length hippie hair. They beat the hell out of me, but they didn’t touch a strand of my hair. Their favorite and most valued possession was a 1955 Chevrolet Nomad station wagon which they had restored to pristine condition. One evening I saw their Nomad parked outside the local movie theatre. A box of U&I sugar in the gas tank pretty much destroyed their prize possession. It also kept them off the streets of a couple of years.

        • Ross

          Bravo! Brilliant!

          • Lars Littlefield

            Thank you.

        • Bj Lincoln

          I babysat for a couple. She was always trashed and he was creepy. One night while taking me home the man thought he was going to rape me. I bit a chunk out of his arm when he tried to keep me in the car. I told my mom the next day and she told the wife. When nothing else seemed to happen, I poured some really smelly perfume oil inside his fancy car and wrote ‘Fucker” across the front with a varnish stripper. I felt so much better after that.

    • leastyebejudged

      Awareness of the consequences of fighting back is usually sufficient.

      If the defense can show that he was bullied nonstop via social media, etc., they might have a shot at saving his future.

      Otherwise, he planned that shit out in advance, cold blooded planned to murder two other children, and had to have been aware of the consequences. This is some seriously evil twisted shit.

      But it’s oh so nice to know that had I snapped and murdered my tormentors people here would have vicariously celebrated their bloody deaths.

      Just like fuckin’ arabs watching a beheading.

  • andrew

    This is so sad. A lesson to be learned from this is the absolute importance of school administrators, guidance counselors, classroom teachers and all school staff to be alert to bullying problems and nip them in the bud. It is hard to imagine that if this bullying was constant over a long period of time that adults did not observe it and fail to deal with it properly.

  • Tom Furgas

    My father and my teachers always got angry at me whenever I was bullied, saying “Defend yourself!” “Stick up for yourself!” and so forth. The one time I did, punching a kid who was pushing on me when I was using a urinal in the bathroom, I got severely paddled. By a sadistic part-time cop who had it in for me, being a budding faggot and so forth. So yes, authorities and counselors do talk a good game, but turn a blind eye to most bullying situations, until it erupts into tragedy. Like this one. I hope this young man gets a sympathetic judge and jury.

    • Treant

      I’m sorry that happened! I don’t know if anybody’s directly said it to you, but everybody should hear it when stuff like that happens: What that cop did to you was wrong. You were right.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Standing his ground.

  • Kelly Lape

    This is the first homicide in a New York City school in nearly 25 years. In those 25 years how many of our brothers and sisters have been bullied? How many of you have been bullied? Did you or they commit murder?

    To read these sympathetic threads is just appalling. It’s one thing to feel like murder, it’s another to kill someone. How come you didn’t kill your bully? If you knew it was wrong for you to do it, it doesn’t matter that you wanted to, what matters is you knew it was wrong. So go ahead and share your sympathetic stories of how you were bullied because those stories didn’t end with you committing murder. I will never know how anyone can think what this kid did is okay.

    If you’d like to campaign to end bullying, don’t make a murderer your poster boy.

    • BostonBud

      But how many of those who were bullied ended their own life?

      • Kelly Lape

        More than one. One was too many. Make them the poster children against bullying. They are worth memorializing. They are worth publicizing. Their lives are worth defending.

        • Silver Badger

          We tried. It didn’t work. Time to try new things.

          • Kelly Lape

            How long have you tried?
            This fight today is nothing compared to the fight to live in the 80’s. There are ways to fight that don’t include murder. “Silence = Death” – just don’t bother “taking a knee”

          • Silver Badger

            My entire life. If anything, the hate has just gotten worse. As the immortal Heinlein said, “the meek shall inherit the earth. In 2 X 6 plots.” It is past time to FIGHT BACK.

    • Randy Ellicott

      JESUS THE FU#K CHRIST! No one is making him a freaking poster boy, they are empathizing with how he could feel that way and pointing out that if the world was a better freaking place he wouldn’t have been bullied and this wouldn’t have happened… It may come out that he is a deranged sociopath, or that the dead kid had a weapon and he was the sociopath, or it could just end up being a sad story about the failure of so many things that are supposed to keep our kids safe. WE DON’T KNOW. You however are standing atop your pedestal casting judgment and disdain at anyone who has an opinion or experience different from yours. Look thru the feed, you will see people who share your belief that this was in no way justified, but they are doing it in a constructive way, listening to feedback and having a discussion, all you are doing is being trump.

      • Kelly Lape

        You obviously are skimming over and not reading all the posts. “I wish i’d killed my…” but of course I’m being the “trump” – whatever.

        • Randy Ellicott

          Really, why dont you open your mind while you are reading this thread, your lack of comprehension and empathy are quite telling. Your comments make it quite clear that you are acting like trump, if that makes you feel uncomfortable then maybe you should look at your comments and try and figure out why everyone is responding to you in the same way.

          • Kelly Lape

            Because this story doesn’t make me empathetic to the gay cause. This story make gay people look like homicidal lunatics. The comments reinforce that appearance.

          • Randy Ellicott

            Then you are not reading the story with any sort of critical thinking. You are acting like all the fundamentalists who attack whatever they dont understand. You are being a fool.

          • Friday

            Frankly, if that’s what you think ‘it makes gay people look like’ ….it’s because you’ve been wanting an excuse for that bigotry all along. A reality is though that if you bully classes of people that hard for that long, occasionally someone will snap.

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            Thanks,Kelly.
            I hadn’t done my eyeroll exercises yet today, and you’ve helped bigly.

        • Beagle

          You’re the one defending saying that it’s okay for kids to hit gay kids, but terrible for the gay kids to fight back.
          My brother and I both got bullied so badly in school that my family moved to another school district after eighth grade. I can still remember the day in seventh grade when several kids held me out a second story window, and the teacher (Mr. Kinna, science) told me to just ignore them. I survived by keeping my eyes on college because I was the short, glasses-wearing runt that knew fighting back wouldn’t accomplish anything.
          And you’re defending the bullies’ right to beat us up while denying us the right to fight back. That’s hardly the sort of attitude to persuade us that you’re an admirable person.

          • Kelly Lape

            You equate murder to “… terrible for gay kids to fight back.”

            Would you have rather committed murder than moved away? I’m sympathetic to anyone who’s been bullied up to the point when they commit murder in response. If you read my condemnation of murder as defense of bullying than you are putting your own experience into my words. What part of Murder inspires defense? You were bullied and you didn’t commit murder. You felt like it. Okay, but you didn’t do it. This man committed murder. He murdered a child. I’ll even grant the world that the kid was a shitty child, but not even shitty kids should be murdered.

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            And was he murdered?
            You’re spending a lot of energy throwing around something which hasn’t yet been proven.

    • Jerry Kott

      I am not getting that impression. I get the impression that many posters have been to the mountain where they feel the senselessness, the hopelessness of being bullied as a teen.-Some people cope better that others but I sense, if you read between the lines, poster are stating they understand the rage that was the catalyst.
      Hate is not a victimless Crimes. 2017 bullying is a 24/7 challenge for teens.
      It also puts the “Gay Rage’ defense shoe on the other foot. However, harassing LGBT citizens is still a recreational sport.

    • Silver Badger

      After awhile you run out of cheeks to turn. The only reason I didn’t is because I didn’t have a gun at the time. After a long life of putting up with the hate, I see it coming back worse than it ever was. I have had enough think it is time we started to fight back only harder. A degenerate, and probably KKKristian kid got killed. TOO FUCKING BAD. Let him be a lesson to the rest of his Ilk. Fuck with a fag, expect consequences.

    • Bj Lincoln

      No one is condoning the murder Troll!
      This guy is a troll folks. Please do not feed. He was starting the same crap at the beginning of this thread.

      • leastyebejudged

        White Knight that shit, lol, you fucking imbecile.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      “If you knew it was wrong for you to do it, it doesn’t matter that you wanted to, what matters is you knew it was wrong.”

      This is just not an accurate statement of the law, especially as it applies to the defense of self-defense. You can still think a killing is wrongful, if it was legally JUSTIFIED–they are totally separate issues. Did anyone ask whether George Zimmerman “knew it was wrong” for him to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin?

      • Kelly Lape

        If your defense for this homicide is Zimmerman, then I rest my case.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Remedial reading comprehension not contraindicated

          • Kelly Lape

            Double negative where a positive would suffice. Remedial writing skills exposed, A+ for spelling and vocabulary.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            This is not Eleventh-Grade English. I used the double negative purposely, to convey a certain shade of meaning.

          • leastyebejudged

            No, it was the worst possible example and you still don’t understand that. You’re such a fucking fool.

    • Ross

      I have read your many comments on this post, including your reply to my comments.

      You seem really triggered.

      As such, I cannot help but wonder.

      Was somebody close to you murdered?

      Or are YOU a bully and now worried about it coming back to you?

      • Jerry Kott

        For some reason, I got the impression that the poster may be speaking from a position of priviledge and was suggesting that victims of crime need a lesson on who to cope.

        I had a friend murder decades ago and it never goes away. You get through it but not always over it.

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith

      Can I ask what the lotto numbers will be next week?
      You seem to have all the answers in advance.

  • BostonBud

    Very sad story. Like others have said we’ve all been bullied but somehow made it through. Who is to blame? I never thought that I was lucky to only have basically 3 channels on TV that didn’t show the violence we see nowadays that makes us immune to it or the constant barrage of ads for guns and weapons and disregard for human life. And dare I say it but video games where you’re supposed to stab and slice and shoot people coming after you to win the game. It is a different world with a different set of outside influences. My father tried to show me how to fight back when I was getting bullied. It was only till I had reached my limit from his taunting that I pushed him against a car and threatened him that he stopped and went on to someone else. We have someone in the White House that says at his rallies to “Take them out” and ridicules and humiliates immigrants as thieves and rapists. I”m embarrassed to be an American.

  • aagold76 .

    Honestly- my first reaction was: GOOD- about time a kid fought back instead of committing suicide….my second was definitely- too far. Watch the alt right explode over this.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Now imagine if this was a christian child, who had been bullied by Muslims, and know that that child would walk free. Emotionally torturing gay kids is still shamefully seen as acceptable.

    • EastCoastJ

      It was a Hispanic kid being bullied by black kids. We’ll see where it goes.

  • rippyryan

    The school should throw him a parade!

  • OdieDenCO

    one life ended, 1 life scared, 1 life tortured and forever labeled murderer all because hate and intolerance was taught and condoned.

  • pj

    i was bullied in high school and also had a teacher that egged them on. i told my parents and they said i needed to be toughened up. i know how he felt. he ruined his own life too. im so unspeakably sad for him and what he must have endured.

    • Treant

      (((((pj)))))

    • John Ruff

      I was bullied to the point of not going to school. It really harmed me as an adult and fucked up my education.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Bullying has consequences beyond merely the bullied taking their own life or situations similar, where it’s the victim of the bullying that pays the price, as it were. In those rare cases, it’s the bullies that pay, and they can sometimes pay dearly.

    As someone who has been bullied a lot in my formative years, often painfully so, I’m somewhat conflicted here. The bullied among us love to see their harrassers get their just desserts. Hell, entire genres of literature, TV and movies have been written over the years about it. But these rare cases of homicidal revenge never end well. The bullies are gone, yes, but the life of the victim is also destroyed. No one wins. Now those kids perceived as gay by potential bullies will also be conflicted. Do they back off of their harassment because their fear a similar outcome, or do they step up their attacks even more to destroy heir victim first? As we have seen countless times, the Christianists (aka the professional bullies) will latch onto this to proclaim their own victimhood and will do whatever they can with their self begotten power to make sure their victims are treated even worse, and as a whole. Watch the JMG space for all the usual suspects bleating all their usual lines as the cowardly haters flail their tiny arms and ramp up the rhetoric. Religion is a fear based mechanism that enslaves their followers with eternal damnation, and their enemies with the fear of constant repercussions.

    This is going to get ugly.

    • Silver Badger

      Oh yes. If the immediate family doesn’t do it, the entire country’s evangelical community will grab it with glee and milk it for every dime they can grift.

    • Treant

      It’s gonna get ugly, guaranteed.

      But I watch Carrie and I’m rooting for Sissy Spacek to fry the entire goddamn Prom. Slowly and in their own juices. It’s a natural impulse.

      • TheManicMechanic

        I always root for the Carries in the world.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      It’s already ugly; as you pointed out, one kid is dead, and the other’s life is ruined.

    • EastCoastJ

      I doubt “Christianists” are going to latch on to the cause of defending two ghetto thug bullies.

  • Terrible, horrible, bad, bad, bad thing to admit…

    I kind of like it when the haters are scared of us.

    Sometimes they overreact in crazy, stupid ways,
    mostly they just leave you alone for a little while.

    • Treant

      No, that’s not bad at all. You wish to reclaim the power as a human being that they’ve taken from you. You don’t express any desire to actually stab or shoot anybody, you just want them to be scared of you. Scared enough that they won’t abuse you, I presume.

      Derek, that’s not bad. That’s normal, sane, and reasonable. I can get behind that, easily.

  • barrixines

    I just want to say thank fuck all of you made it through. xxxx

  • Silver Badger

    It’s been fun, but I have to get back to work. This thread really struck a lot of nerves,didn’t it?

  • JWC

    Killing and murder are wrong Pure and simple. Wrong, also is the bullying the taunts and the slurs . Back in my day we were only told “sticks and stones may break my bones , but names will never hurt me ” Apparently many events like “Columbine” , several other now this one speak otherwise.Then we could retreat into our home and be away from it for a few hours. Today, with instant media, you are never really away. Its on you 24/7. As always, and, rightly so, the sympathies must lie with the victims but there is also the victimization of the perpetrator . Justice only sees this one way There is no complete answer its just extremely sad for all involved

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Thank you for the thoughtful reply, JWC. I just want to point out that “Justice only sees this one way” is not really accurate–there is a difference between the killing (which is the Prosecution’s burden to prove) and any defense or justification (which is the Defendant’s burden to prove).

      • JWC

        Possibly justice in this case not in the legal sense of the word per se but more in the societal sense of the word

      • JWC

        I am always so damned empty when this occurs Everyone want to fault the perpetrator In abuse cases the abuse is secondary and especially if he is marginalized Society assumes he should have “Manned up” and handled it Well he “frustrated up ” and did handle it to a very sad outcome

        • Phillip in L.A.

          I agree; “abuse” of any kind, whether emotional, physical, sexual, or psychological, is usually a reaction-formation in itself (often because the ‘perpetrator’ was also abused). So, I don’t even want to really comment on the merits of the case, as I know absolutely nothing about it (other than what I’ve read here).

          All I will say is it’s a god-damned tragedy all around–and this case is really only the tip of an iceberg,,,,

          • JWC

            Precisley

    • Tread

      The “sticks and stones will break my bones” lie was created by adults who want to silently encourage kids to be as cruel as possible. Words can hurt and kill, just as much or more than actual weapons, because the damage done lasts longer and has more consequences in life.

      • JWC

        extremely true Verbal abuse cansit quietly for years and be triggered

  • Stuck_on_Earth

    “Student bullied with gay slurs stabs classmate to death” … yeah, I had fleeting thoughts of doing that. Unfortunate that I didn’t, it would have been very cleansing.

  • Lakeview Bob

    Let’s just keep in mind two things:

    1. The parents have to take some responsibility in this
    2. This is a tragic event and making fun of the dead kid is NOT FUNNY.

    • John Ruff

      They learn how to bully from their parents

      • Ross

        That is not always true.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Not always, but most of the time.

        • John Ruff

          Mostly true

    • Jerry Kott

      The parents of the victim of bullying or the parents of the murder victim?

      • Lakeview Bob

        Parents of the bullies.

        • Jerry Kott

          Thanks, I agree. This doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Re #2: We’ll decide.

  • TexasBoy

    So many questions….
    Was the bullying ever reported?
    If so, why didn’t school administration do anything about it?

    Did his parents know he was being bullied?
    If so, why didn’t they intervene/demand action?

    This could all have been avoided if the adults had acted responsibly, assuming he told them about being bullied.

    • Jerry Kott

      Just curious? Have you ever reported harassment to anyone in authority?

      • TexasBoy

        Yes, but it was in the 1960s. I changed schools.
        In this day and age, the schools need to be held accountable if it was reported.

        • Jerry Kott

          So the perps were given the blessing of authority? Not every child has that option to switch schools.
          I agree about accountability. However the first MO is to shoot the messenger and they can do that with impunity because it works too often. Too often victims are first led to believe they brought it on themselves and should adjust their behavior to the norm, whatever the fuck that is.

      • BostonBud

        I had told my parents. My father wanted me to “butch” up and fight back. My mother called the police and they took a statement. I was afraid of revenge after the police went to their house. Looking back now the kid, who was older than me, was muscular and didn’t seem all that sane. I think my mother called the school to and spoke to my teacher but don’t really recall what came of that.

        • Jerry Kott

          Thanks for sharing. So it appears that the harassment stopped after your mother took some action? Your experience may be typical. Too often the quality of the investigation is equivalent to being victimized again.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Cedeno did not enter a plea during arraignment Thursday, but Assistant
    District Attorney Nancy Borko said the teen “admits to purchasing a
    knife two weeks before online and stabbing two people.”

    wtf? I hope the Court entered a plea of Not Guilty on the Defendant’s behalf, and sanctioned the ADA Borko [?!?] for inappropriately opening her pie-hole

    • leastyebejudged

      Advocating for failing to disclose ?

      Quite the idiot little criminal you are, eh ?

  • Bleep Switch

    I wish he didn’t kill the bully, but I’m all for bashing back at thugs who cause suffering around them. At least there’s one less thug trash in the world.

    • Tiger Quinn

      The kid he killed was 15. That CHILD is neither a thug nor trash. You’re a fucking piece of shit.

      • DJ John Bear

        Srsly…what did you expect the victim of the bullying to do, just stand there and take it?? Reason with the bully?? Really, I’d like to know.

        • leastyebejudged

          He wasn’t being bullied when he murdered that child, so maybe deal with the facts as opposed to projecting your own sorry and pathetic bullshit into it.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        That CHILD is neither a thug nor trash.

        He isn’t anything now. Except dead. LOLz.

        • leastyebejudged

          Wow, you’re a real piece of shit.

      • BartmanLA

        The bully might have been 15, and the assailant 18, but the 15 yr old (I’ve seen pics of him) and the other victim were both physically bigger and more imposing than that of the 18 yr old, so using his size to intimidate and harass another is pretty much the definition of a thug.

  • John Ruff

    If you push us turn far…some might snap.

  • 3-Star

    I was also bullied heavily in school but I never thought about killing anyone over it. I could have easily grabbed one of my father’s guns or a kitchen knife but I knew that was wrong. Wow, have times changed!

    • leastyebejudged

      You knew it was wrong or you had time and the state of mind to consider the consequences ?

  • Tiger Quinn

    JMG shows its soul yet again, with people being glad this kid killed his bully. His bully was 15 years old and didn’t deserve to die for being an idiot, no matter how disgusting, you fucking ghouls.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Whatevs. Is the video on WorldStar yet??

    • leastyebejudged

      Somehow they don’t care that a child was murdered.

      That’s what I get out of the comments.

      Vicarious revenge is of course disgusting, but nowhere near as grotesque as being oblivious that you’re immersing yourself in it.

  • Ken M

    Sensing an insanity plea here. Going to make for a very interesting trial. Murder is never right. I do feel for the families of the kids he killed, but for his family as well. I do hope some questions will be asked of the parents as well. Adult killing two minors. That’s bad, whatever they claim the reasons to be.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Maybe you mean “diminished capacity”? That is a different kind of defense than justification (e.g., self-defense). The goal of a “diminished capacity” (or “insanity”) defense is to negate the required finding of mental state (mens rea) for homicide–i.e., the crime did not take place at all.

      However, where “justification” is alleged, the goal is for the jury to find that even though the killing did in fact occur, there is a legally sufficient excuse or justification for the act.

      Thus, the end result is NOT the same: successful diminished capacity or insanity plea = “not guilty by reason of insanity”; the Defendant is remanded to the custody of a State Hospital until such time as s/he is “cured” or no longer a danger to anyone (including self).(*) In reality, this usually means long-term or permanent forced residence in a locked ward.

      But a successful defense of justification (“self-defense”) = plain old “not guilty,” and the Defendant walks out of the courtroom.

      (*) In some States, “diminished capacity” is not a recognized defense. Also, the procedure may vary; i believe there might still be a few States where the Defendant may be re-tried for the homicide after s/he is ‘cured.’

    • pj

      able was pushed to this. and pushed. and pushed some more. he defended himself. isnt this what all these gunfucks keep talking about.

      • leastyebejudged

        LOL, no he didn’t use a gun, silly.

    • Deviancy Behavir

      He can’t claim insanity or heat of the moment defense, when he bought the weapon online 2 weeks beforehand. He could’ve said it was for protection, but that defense wouldn’t work, since he wasn’t being physically touched when he stabbed them. I don’t want to see him go to jail, I just hope he goes to some juvie place and gets out in a few years. I’ve been there and understand exactly how he feels, that could’ve been me if I didn’t think about the consequences of what would happen to me if I had done it.

      • leastyebejudged

        I don’t know where people get their weird ideas about the use of insanity pleas in the US. We have a very punitive system and insanity pleas rarely fulfill the stringent requirements.

        We’ve killed people who we’re clearly fuckin’ nuts, we’ve warehoused the mentally ill for decades in prisons.

        The USA is the shame of the world.

        So in that regard he should spend the rest of his life in prison, where he belongs, he’s as unfit as anyone similarly accused to exist in modern USA society.

        • Deviancy Behavir

          I think it comes from people getting off being called mentally ill or incompetent for murders. But in most of those cases there was documented evidence that this person had mental issues, past history of hearing voices/bizarre behavior,etc.., past history of taking medicines for psychiatric issues, being institutionalized. Without those things most of those defenses that claim mental illness as a defense won’t work.

          For him to get out of a life sentence his defense attorney would have to show a series of failures not only from the bullies parents, but the school and even law enforcement depending on the severity and length of the abuse. If they can prove that everyone knew, but did nothing, it could mitigate some of the burden and lead to a shorter sentence/treatment. But barring that, he will do some time for this, just depends on how much.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Just got done reading a lot of the comments in here. My heart goes out to all you survivors out there. I experienced “some bullying” in school, but *nothing* compared to what I’ve just read. I was 6′ in sixth grade (though skinny as a rail), 6’5″ through most of high school, and I was a three-letter-man jock. I didn’t hang with the cool jocks (I was also “a brain”), but playing sports helped to protect me. Most bullies needed to gang up on me to get me, and I was able to hide my orientation, even from myself (long story).

    The cruelty that you folks endured…! [Grits his teeth, feeling tearful]

    I’m reminded of a guy whom I consistently defended in middle school from serious bullying. We’re Facebook friends. He’s now a Trump fan. [sigh] I guess he chose to align himself with the bullies instead of fighting them.

    • BostonBud

      Don’t find that all surprising. Once you’ve cleared the hurdle of getting picked on you sometimes side with others who are finding other people to bully. It’s an “as long as it isn’t me” mentality. Anything so they don’t shine the light on you.

    • Treant

      We survived.

      OK, so…quite frankly, there’s a ten year period of my life where I don’t have a lot of memories. My shrink said that’s probably a healthy enough response given what I do remember. And a few social phobias, but the Effexor helps.

      But we still managed to make it, and nobody gets through life without some scars.

      • customartist

        Some of us, not here now, did not make it

  • Ogre Magi

    I hope he does not go to jail

  • Puckfair52

    Better homicidal that suicidal I learned that in the 2nd grade, in the Bronx

  • misterjack

    I feel for the bullied kid. I was bullied, too, (and dreamed up all sorts of vengeance on my tormenters). I wisely made friends with a boy who was over six feet tall. He put a stop to it.

  • ChinChin

    This is just like the scene in “Moonlight” where the bullied kid tragically takes it into his own hands and fights back. Then he’s the one who gets into trouble and does jail time. He shouldn’t have done it, but we have no way to know the torment and anguish he was feeling. The other kids pushed him to it.

    • Jerry Kott

      It is just toooo easy to shoot the messenger. When I was young, I fought back and I was punished.

  • customartist

    Did the School Administration do anything at all to mitigate the bullying?

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Sadly, I think we all know the answer.

    • leastyebejudged

      When/where I went to school, the administration was one of the bullies.

  • Ginger Snap

    If it was the other way around I’m sure they would not care if a fag was killed. I know I shouldn’t think this way but I honestly have lots of rage still from my highschool days.

    Watch out some of us gays can fight back.

    • customartist

      No, you are exactly correct. Sean Kennedy was killed in Greenville, SC and his killer got merely 3 years due to their being no violent crime laws in the state at the time. Now had he been a blonde and blue female cheerleader…..

  • Lakeview Bob

    This is how bullies should be treated:

    https://youtu.be/ADiiYUnZ7og

    • Jerry Kott

      Ouch!

    • customartist

      I told you not to fuk with me

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I never saw that part before where the kid falls over right in front of the filmer before the video cuts off. Hilarious.

      Concussions, gurl.

    • leastyebejudged

      the celebration of brutality in any of it’s forms is just another reason I will not mourn our miserable little species when the meteor hits.

  • MarkBuster

    I’m proud of him, and willing to contribute to a legal fund for him.

  • Smith_90125

    I would rather see bullied kids do this than commit suicide. It worked for me.

    Jorge Saavedra walked away free, now let’s hope this kid can too.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Not sure I agree or disagree, Smith_90125, but I am certainly willing and eager to listen. Your comment implies you had no choice but to take your abuser’s life in self-defense, or you would have ended up committing suicide. I do remember Jorge Saavedra, btw; I think that was in Florida or Goergia, iirc.

      While I sincerely hope I have misconstrued your comment, if not, please tell us all about it (if you feel comfortable doing that).

      Or, let’s dance! It is Friday after all! It’s the best way I have found to deal with anger, loss, sadness, isolation, loneliness, and similar feelings….

      Donna Summer–“Hot Stuff (F. Knuckles & E. Kupper ‘Directors Cut Signature Dub’)”

      https://youtu.be/wntBXdobdws

      • Smith_90125

        I didn’t kill anyone, though I won’t say what short term or permanent injuries the bullied caused themselves when the baseball bat connected with their heads and bodies. They caused it, not me, because they wouldn’t leave me alone.

        I may have been “punished” for their actions, but the bullying stopped. That’s all I cared about, especially when appealing to the school, police and others for help had no effect. I have no more legal liability, ever, so I can talk about it.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Thank you for telling about it, Smith_90125, and I for one am very sorry that you had to endure such a horrible and repulsive ordeal.

  • fuow

    Good for him. I’ll contribute to his defense fund gladly. Motherfucking christers need to learn to leave us alone.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    While I can’t condone or applaud what he did, I most certainly can understand it having wanted to pretty do the same thing to my tormentors. For those who are lamenting the “poor bully” because he was 15, clearly you have no inkling of what real bullying can do to a person and thus should probably remain silent on the matter.

  • Joseph Styles

    W..H. Auden said it best:

    I and the public know
    What all school children learn–
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

  • pj

    i hope you follow this joe

  • ghostofjanetflaneur

    Sounds like self-defense to me.

  • White Canary

    Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a new direction. Bullied gay teens aren’t getting nearly the amount of support they deserve; however, they now live in a country filled with hateful rhetoric and so. many. guns.

  • Sean Taylor

    You can only push people so far. I wonder where the staff and faculty was during all the preceeding years this went on.

    • fuzzybits

      There,but ignoring it.

    • customartist

      Giving silent approval

  • fuzzybits

    I guess I was lucky. I grew up in a town of 20,000. Was part of the so called “freaks” in school and was left pretty much alone. I did have lots of protection around me if anything would’ve happened.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

    (Awesome blow-by-blow describing the murder, btw…)

  • Lumpy Gaga

    I foresee a great media campaign combining “It gets Better” with Yul Brynner.

    “Don’t stab.”

  • Gary Ortega

    Finally acting equal
    Thank you

  • beergoggles

    Bullies are on notice. If someone is bullying you to the point of suicide, at least take them with you. Thankfully, no innocents were harmed.

  • tonye

    1) I don’t blame the attacker, really.
    2) I know this is the Bronx but those are some of the most illiterate sounding students and parents.

  • Hard2find

    I am so sorry he was bullied to the point of violence, i HAD a bully like that back in high school. He died from alcohol poising during prom. Now you know why I believe in KARMA as RULE. I hope he gets the help he needs to recover from this ordeal.

  • My heart goes out to this kid. I remember one day during my senior year in high school when I snapped – it was after school and a group of the usual suspects were playing keep away with my book bag. Because I really wanted to make it to my bus, I grabbed the one who had originally taken my bag and told him that if he didn’t have them give my bag back that I was going to smash his head against the brick wall of the gym. At first he protested that he didn’t have my bag, but when he saw I was going to follow through he got his friends to return my bag, After that, the bullying stopped. But if I didn’t get my bag back I know I would have smashed his skull to pulp – they had finally gone too far.