US Census Reverses On Sexual Orientation Question

Via press release:

Today, the US Census Bureau reversed a previous decision to exclude a question on sexual orientation from the Census Barriers, Attitudes and Motivators Study. In response to this victory, Rea Carey, Executive Director of the National LGBTQ Task Force, issued the following statement.

“Make no mistake – public pressure on the Trump Administration works. It was messages from the members of the National LGBTQ Task Force and our partner organizations that compelled the Census Bureau to reverse their appalling decision to stop counting us.

“Thanks to the efforts of people across the country, the Census will continue collecting data about sexual orientation. We also will continue to push them to collect data about gender identity. Data about the LGBTQ community is absolutely crucial to ensuring that we are distributed the resources we need, that we are represented, and that the most vulnerable in our community are protected.”

  • Paula

    The better to round them up, my dear.

    • MBear

      Beat me to it

    • Circ09

      I finished hiding years ago. They can come for me. But they might be surprised what they find. And they won’t be surprised for long.

      • djfinance

        I’m with you. I refuse to live in fear and hide from this administration. We need to continue to make ourselves known.
        I don’t think the census form asks for one’s address, not that they couldn’t find someone if they wanted.

    • My thoughts exactly. But I say, have at it!

      I’ll be standing my ground. Forcefully.

  • I don’t trust anything this administration does, even when it maybe doesn’t look malignant on the surface.

    My cynicism is as dark as the wine I shouldn’t be drinking…

    • ChrisInKansas

      Exactly. Makes one wonder what they plan to do with the info.

      • I’m not so concerned about the Census Bureau doing what they’re supposed to do every decade, and finally counting gay and lesbian married couples as legal families.

        I am concerned if the Trumpers announce some plan to stovepipe census data over to their voter suppression commission.

        • Miji

          or to know how many cattle cars to deliver to each district.

          • PeggyCGroh

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      • Baby Jesus

        The Handmaid’s Tale immediately came to mind…

        • Todd20036

          Not that there’s anything wrong with bisexual 3somes, mind you

          • (((GC)))

            Nothing wrong with bisexual threesomes with free, willing partners all round!

      • vorpal 😼

        I expect many others are concerned about the same thing, and as a result, the information that this question provides will largely be inaccurate and thus meaningless.

      • clay

        The Census Bureau, itself, plans to find out how it might make sure that it’s not discounting us– that we deserve representation in the House and to be planned for by federal agencies. We’re one of those “harder to count” groups; like the homeless, the poor, the undocumented, enough of us want to hide from the government that we end up muting our community strength.

    • another_steve

      I agree with your observation, Becca, and am troubled by the fact that you’re drinking wine and not Beefeater martinis.

      • Cattleya1

        I’m with Becca – drinking a nice glass of Chardonnay myself. I couldn’t be James Bond – I never could acquire a taste for martinis.

        • Marc Leger

          ‘I like to have a martini,Two at the very most.After three I’m under the table,after four I’m under my host.’

          Dorothy Parker

        • another_steve

          Chardonnay is my wine of choice. I’m one of those fairies for whom red wine results, literally, in a headache. Tannins or something.

          I believe the well-mixed gin martini is the perfect alcoholic refreshment. People sometimes get turned off to them as a result of faulty preparation. Too dry or too sweet.

          I have lots of friends primarily because I have a reputation for mixing perfect martinis. I even buy fancy imported olives for them.

          It’s good to be loved, regardless of the reason.

    • margaretpoa

      I’m sure as hell not going to paint myself with a target as long as this “administration” is in charge.

    • vorpal 😼

      Well, I don’t want you to be “shouldn’t drinking” alone…
      =scampers off to fetch nice bottle of Carmenere=

    • clay

      I’m more cynical about an executive branch that wanted to drop the question because it “doesn’t matter if they miss us in the count” or because “it doesn’t matter if we exist.”

      • DonnaLee

        Exactly. In 2010, there were not many who would self-identify as living with a same sex partner, but come 2020, many of those will be able to show up as being married. Since Census data is protected, I hope more people will treat the information as a way to be truly counted.

    • Todd20036

      But Trump said he doesn’t benefit…

      • lymis

        in this specific matter, “he” doesn’t. It’s the Trumpspawn who will reap the benefits.

  • Brooklyn Joe

    Thanks National LGBTQ Task Force!

  • safari

    For better or worse, I’m glad this data is collected.

  • Gigi

    Is this information anonymous?

    • clay

      Yes, as per the Constitution, absolutely private even from others in the federal government for a minimum of 70 years.

      • ohbear1957

        Oh great! We all know how law-abiding and Constitution-honoring the tRump regime is.

        • clay

          For census results to be accurate, census-takers need to be both trusted, and worthy of that trust. The Trump team has ALREADY lost a fight with the Census Bureau and the Census Bureau bureaucrats/deep state have a good track record against the IRS, the FBI, ICE and others.

          • As I commented below, what we *do* need to be on guard about is if the Trump admin starts talking about data sharing between the Census Bureau and their jackbooted thug commissions & agencies.

      • Census Bureau: We can trust that still

        Donald’s corrupt ‘voter fraud’ commission: We absolutely cannot trust that, as they haven’t even committed to keeping all the personal info they’ve asked for private.

      • Silver Badger

        Silly man. The constitution has only applied to gay people for a very few years.

      • shellback

        Clay, I love ya man, but we no longer have a government – it’s a NAZI DICTATORSHIP. Sad, but true. Maybe Mr. Mueller can help.

        • clay

          When I cheer “Go Deep State!” I’m not calling for the public university football receivers to run far away from the quarterback.

          • gaycuckhubby

            LOL. I had to read that like 5 times before I understood it well done

          • clay

            If you had to read it five times, I’m not so sure it was well done.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Thank you clay for your level-headedness on this blog you have pulled me back from the ledge multiple times

      • Cackalaquiano

        If folks here don’t know, those Enumeration Tables from 70 years ago and older contain fascinating information about our parents and grandparents. I briefly thought I’d found a scandalous shacking-up situation with my grandmother, though the guy was surely just a tenant.

        • clay

          Before the end of WWII, most US households were not nuclear families; they were extended with tenants, maiden aunts, crazy uncles, mothers-in-law, foster children, etc.

          • Cackalaquiano

            Yeah that’s all it was in my grandmother’s case. Other family secrets were only whispered: lunacy, murdered baby, even witchcraft. Good stuff that doesn’t show up in boring census data.

  • another_steve

    Attempts to “capture” the number of LGBT people and couples are harmful to our community and should be fought against by our community leaders. Such attempts invariably under-count us and in doing so provide fodder for our enemies.

    Most LGBT people in the United States will not self-identify as such to an anonymous pollster or on a government form.

    That’s the reality.

    Unfortunate, but that’s the reality.

    • clay

      The question isn’t on the Decennial Census form. It’s on a marketing outreach form and then the American Community Survey– it’s to see if we are being accurately counted, not personally located.

      • another_steve

        In 2017 there will be no “accurate” count of LGBT people in America. That’s my point. Ain’t gonna happen.

        We here are on an LGBT blog. Many of us (not all of us, but possibly the majority of us) are out to friends, coworkers and relatives.

        Most LGBT people in America are not on LGBT blogs however, and a sizable number of us live and work in places where being “out” is dangerous to life and livelihood.

        Again, this is most unfortunate – but I do feel the occasional need and desire to remain reality-based (however unpleasant that may be).

        • clay

          The Census Bureau is doing this marketing research to find out how better to reach people historically under-counted. The sexuality question isn’t going to show on the Decennial Census short form. The goal isn’t to get an accurate count of LGBT people in America. The goal is to get an accurate count of people in America INCLUDING people who might be LGBT, or poor, or Native American, or homeless, or . . .

          • another_steve

            Thanks for your explanations, clay, but I have to admit that I’m just not getting it.

            There’s going to be a “queer question,” yes? Some government agency is going to say, “Ah, we can extrapolate from the number of “yes, I’m queer” answers and estimate how many queers there are in the U.S.”

            That won’t work. That can’t work.

          • clay

            This will be an uncomfortable metaphor– When doing species management assessments, we don’t try to count every fox. We count as many fox as we can, twice (at least) (maybe tagging them, too), so we can get an idea of how accurate our counting is. If we find that we’ve been under-counting, it’s good to know that so we can improve our methods of counting of not just fox, but of all medium-sized mammals.

            The Census Bureau doesn’t care how many LGBT people there are. It cares if there are people not getting counted. It cares if those under-counted people are disproportionately LGBT, because that has political and social impact. The Census Bureau doesn’t care how many African-Americans there are. It cares a LOT if African-Americans get excluded from the counts.

          • another_steve

            “The Census Bureau doesn’t care how many LGBT people there are. It cares if there are people not getting counted.”

            So how can/do they extrapolate to the universe of “not counted” LGBT people if the majority of LGBT people don’t identify as such to strangers (my premise) in the first place?

            How can they / do they know or sense how many LGBT people don’t self-identify as such to strangers?

          • clay

            It’s not so much about whether we self-identify, it’s about whether we answer, at all. The want to compare the rates from the marketing survey to the results of the American Community Survey. That will give them a basis to claim a need to increase marketing outreach for the 2030 Census.

          • another_steve

            Thanks, clay, for your helping me understand here. 😉

            Know that you’re one of my favorite people on this blog.

        • Cackalaquiano

          I don’t think we can let perfect be the enemy of the good. Data always come with caveats.

      • Silver Badger

        Does that form have a bar code?

  • zhera

    In times like this, I’d be weary to disclose any non-hetero and non-cis status.

    • Gustav2

      It is difficult for us to hide now that we are married.

      • Silver Badger

        Marriage is almost always a mixed blessing.

        • Gustav2

          LOL quite.

          If you know one of our names, you can search the county Probate Judge’s data base from anywhere, it is public record.

        • gaycuckhubby

          After 8 years of marriage I can happily say that the pros outweigh the cons at least for me and my husband

          • 19 years almost for me and my wife, because we date our marriage vows to before DOMA was overturned—given that was our only option.

            It’s not a mixed blessing for us. It’s all blessing, even if every moment isn’t perfect.

          • vorpal 😼

            Same here. We’re at 13 years of marriage (in Canada before it was available across the whole country) and while there are cons, there are definitely many more pros.

          • AmeriCanadian

            12 years for me and THE reason I moved to Canada. I got two great benefits for the price of one! 😉

          • vorpal 😼

            Did you have CA citizenship beforehand?

            That was one of the big factors for us and part of the reason we got married REALLY quickly in our relationship: less than five months into a long distance relationship where we had only met in person six times before getting married – ha! We were concerned with the newness of SSM that if we didn’t grab that window, we might lose the chance.

            I had dual US – CA citizenship, but hubby was just a US citizen. He was able to get his CA permanent residency (which we should get around to upgrading to citizenship) through marriage, and the process was surprisingly fast!

            Anyways, it all worked out, as we’re still together 13 years later. We jokingly tell people that the secret to our successful marriage is four cats and the fact that divorce is too messy and expensive.

          • AmeriCanadian

            No, I only had and still only have U.S. citizenship. I met my husband April, 2005, and we both immediately knew we were meant to be together. We got married in October that same year and I applied for permanent residency, which took a year to get approved. Meanwhile, I was granted a “visitor record” as I needed to leave and re-enter the country daily since my job was in Michigan. I only had one glitch and it worked out because I took the time to study the rules and was able to recite them. Nevertheless, it was an extremely stressful glitch: I had sold my house in Michigan and had its entire contents in a moving van behind me at the border and was told that I was inadmissible because I did not yet have PR. I’ve never come so close to having a complete breakdown as at that moment. BUT, like I said, I knew the rules and was finally cleared, with no secondary inspection of the contents of the moving van. Looking back, I kick myself for not buying all new furniture and such but how could I have known?

            My goal is to apply for Canadian citizenship when I retire. I would have done so already but you have no idea how brutal the U.S. customs agents can be. They literally question my patriotism to the U.S. simply because I live in Canada. Imagine what they would do/say if I admitted to voluntarily taking foreign citizenship. They are truly awful and unchecked. I will admit to taking the easy way out to avoid any unnecessary discomfort with them, as I have to cross every weekday. Coming home is a breeze and I always feel instantly relaxed when I cross into Canada. I could write a book about the differences between the two countries. I bet your husband could too.

          • vorpal 😼

            Similar situation! Hubby and I also immediately knew. We had met online in Aug 2003 through a mutual friend on a blogging site. I took one look at his avatar photo and read his clever and fun comment and thought to myself, “Oh hell. I’d better NOT message him, because I just know that if I do, I am probably going to fall in love with him.”

            About an hour later, HE messaged me, and it was all over from there for both of us. We knew when we met in Jan 2004 when we finally met in person that we were almost certainly going to be compatible on the last level that we had to hurdle across.

            That must have been insanely stressful at the border. I can’t even imagine! Glad you were cleared.

            I get stopped every. single. time. I try to go through US customs because despite being a US citizen with a US birth certificate and an SSN, I stupidly didn’t think and entered into the US on my Canadian passport (didn’t bother getting a US one) when I lived in Hawaii to work for 11 months. Now I am permanently flagged by immigration as having overstayed my welcome and every time I enter, the passport scanner spits out a piece of paper with a BIG SCARY BLACK X over my photo and the customs agent has to send me to a little room where I need special approval.

            They told me the problem would be solved if I got a US passport, which I promptly did. Now even with that, I STILL get the scary X of doom, and a border customs agent who is totally confused, and escorted into a small room, but at least now I am expedited so it only takes a few minutes.

            I asked last time if it was possible to have this removed from the system so that I didn’t have to go through this hassle every single time and the customs agent just started to laugh and laugh at me.

            The majority of good experiences I have had with US customs agents are in Hawaii, where they are much more relaxed, pleasant, and friendly for the most part.

            I have also been lucky enough to have some very nice security staff at airport security, which is always a pleasant surprise since, due to a health condition I have, I always need special screening as well. (Note that this is not the case in any other country.)

            Entering the US is just such an irritating hassle at this point that most expats here in Chile avoid it if at all possible.

            As for the differences between the two countries, absolutely! My experiences as an adult in the US are limited to only about 16 months, but even then, I couldn’t believe the level of culture shock that I had.

          • AmeriCanadian

            So you DO know how brutal U.S. customs can be. I feel for you and am sorry you have to go through that every time. I don’t think you will be able to get it expunged. What I do suspect will happen is that one day, it will magically be gone and no one will be able to tell you why. I’ve heard of such occurrences and I do my damnedest to avoid getting stuck in them myself.

            It appears that we’re both living examples of love at first sight. Except mine wasn’t really at first sight. Similar to you, we also met online and after a few phone calls decided to meet for dinner. When I first spotted him I didn’t really feel anything. It happened half way through dinner. I suddenly could not finish mine. If you knew me, you would know that just does not happen. I think I got the case of the butterflies. It hit me very suddenly but during an intense moment where we were talking and staring into each others’ eyes. I’ll never forget it. That night, we both took down our online profiles without knowing the other had done the same. We made the decision to tie the knot about one month later. Very fast but very right. It’s been the best thing that’s ever happened to me and, like you and everyone else here knows, there are ups and downs but many more ups.

            I love hearing your story and making comparisons or seeing similarities. I forgot that you now live in Chile, though I’ve read that before. What an exciting life you must lead (or at least let us believe that). 😉

      • gaycuckhubby

        When my husband and I got married in 2008 in San Francisco we eloped.
        we had no friends no family no one there with us just.
        the two of us and a judge.
        they gave us two options, we could find some random strangers to act as witness and have a public marriage license or we could forgo the witness and have a closed marriage which sealed the marriage liscense.
        Our marriage record is not available if you look it up at a public library or other open records sources.
        at the time we were very disappointed that we couldn’t find witnesses in time,
        now with this Administration I feel better about that decision

        • Gustav2

          Ours is public record. Easily found.

        • lymis

          We did much the same, not trusting that Prop 8 wouldn’t close the marriage option – as it did, temporarily.

          We actually went online on a gay hookup site and asked for guys who were free that day to be our witness. As a result, we met a wonderful man who remains a friend to this day, who not only witnessed, but showed us around town and gave us full-access transit passes as a wedding present.

          Turns out it wouldn’t have mattered, because while we were in line with a couple hundred other folks, people were happily volunteering to be extra witnesses if people needed them.

    • If you have a credit and tax return history, your status is already known and easily accessible by any gov’t agency with a warrant, subpoena or order.

      • Gustav2

        Years ago, long before we were married, the mortgage company was talking about my dower rights from the hubby’s credit report.

    • clay

      Which is exactly why the Census Bureau is doing this research to find out how you can still count. If the Marketing Survey says we’re so many, and then the American Community Survey returns a lot less, the Census Bureau will know they need to do a lot more outreach.

    • bandanajack

      i presume you mean wary.

      • zhera

        Probably? 😉

  • Jack

    Yay?

  • gaycuckhubby

    I’m glad for the small victory.
    however the entire federal government has reversed itself when it comes to LGBT rights. we no longer have a federal government, a president, or an administration that is out fighting for us.
    we worked extraordinarily hard to get to the point where we had a president like Obama. where we had the support of the country and of the politicians like we had under Obama. the reversal is upsetting heartbreaking and infuriating

    • jixter

      And temporary.

  • shellback

    “…collecting data about sexual orientation.”
    How else would you know how big to make the ovens?

  • Silver Badger

    It will be much easier to round up gay people if it is known exactly where they are.

    • clay

      This question’s results won’t provide them that data.

  • Tomcat

    Only because they want a complete list of the gay people in America.

  • Ninja0980

    Given the fact Trump just nominated more people to the courts who think Jeebus gives them the right to discriminate against LGBT people, why should we trust giving the Trump government our information?

    • clay

      Because Trump’s ONE hire in the Census Bureau already quit, BECAUSE he was standing up for us against Trump.

      If we want to worry about Trump people in the Dept. of Commerce (overseeing Census), it’s not Census workers or even the (now Acting) Director, it’s the Secretary, who’s on the record as saying he thinks the Census should only count those people who have voted in every election for the last 10 years– only THOSE numbers should be used to reapportion the House.

  • William

    Future researchers will be confused by us. In 2000, my partner listed us as cousins. In 2010, he put us as an unmarried couple living together.

    • Tomcat

      Sounds like most of Alabama.

      • William

        It’s a running joke with us.

    • clay

      unless you were living at the same address in both census years, they would only be able to match you by name, which is actually weak.

      And only 75 years from now.

      • William

        We were at the same lovenest both years.

  • Tomcat

    I am telling them I am a consenting mammal with very strange habits. Fuckem.

  • Tawreos

    I’m done with news for the day so bring on the men

    https://youtu.be/jdYgWa5hA_4

    • JoeMyGod

      I was in the fifth row for this performance. True story.

      • Tawreos

        I wish I was, I also wish I could pull off that outfit.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Just so you know, Joe. I imagine you have the most fabulously gay life. And you deserve every second of it!
        😁

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        My late husband and I were just a few rows back.

    • JohnJay

      So here are some men in a more classical setting…
      https://youtu.be/fKc71-SEoiw?t=12s

  • bkmn

    I fully expect this misadministration will funnel as much info about us to the haterz so they can target their dissatisfaction that we have equal rights.

  • Ken M

    Just one question. What are the options going to be?

    • Tomcat

      You can always mark where it says SEX, YES THANK YOU.

      • Ken M

        I seriously hope they keep it very simple. Gay or Straight. For this time around at least. The LGBTQ etc. can start complaining after at least the community as a whole has a number of members.

    • clay
      • Ken M

        Withe current “proudly divided’ mindset of the community, we’re fucked. WHAT…ONLY 4 DEFINED OPTIONS? https://media.tenor.com/images/575c25bca81a55bb5c1b5dbcc75d133f/tenor.gif

        • clay

          Know your Bear Code!

          How many hankies are possible?

          • Ken M

            Per pocket? I remember the “basics.”

      • Ken M

        You must admit, it’s almost comical that they define straight.

    • another_steve

      I won’t touch the question unless there’s an option that reads exactly like this:

      “Fey and wispy homosexual male, inconsequential in the overall scheme of things but marvelous when it comes to needlework and the mixing of martinis.”

      • Ken M

        There’s other.

      • m_lp_ql_m

        I think that’s on the Canadian census.

        • another_steve

          Were I a Canadian and filling out the Canadian census form, I would definitely answer “yes” to a question that read: “Are you a gay male and do you lust after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau?”

  • Tomcat

    Actually since I live in a red state I plan to NOT be counted. Less tax moneys from Washington for the state.

    • LeeCMH

      Especially considering those states will not spend the money as intended.

  • AmeriCanadian

    I remember in 1990 the census was being conducted in April. I actually had two apartments at that time as I was moving out of one and into another in a different city. I filled out the form at my old address since I technically still lived there. A month later I received a visit from a census taker at my new address who insisted that I answer his questions even though I told him that I had already filled out the form at the old address. So I’m guessing I was counted twice. It was one of many insights into how incompetent the U.S. government is. I’m not finding the Canadian government much better in some regards. The census here is every five years and it does ask about same-sex households.

    • Tomcat

      The census taker gets paid by the number of people he counts.
      That was crooked of him.

      • stuckinthewoods

        not to my recollection.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      I actually did that sort of thing temporarily for the census bureau during the 2010 census. It’s not incompetency, it’s accuracy. More than likely you were not counted twice.

      • AmeriCanadian

        I’ll take your word on it then. Thanks.

      • stuckinthewoods

        I did it as well for the 2000 census. The forms are mailed to addresses on record. If not returned, citizens (all locals) were hired. As you remember, you were to go to the addresses that hadn’t returned forms to ascertain if they were inhabited, and if so, to collect the data. The first time A.C. filled out his form he was probably counted, and the second was likely because no form came back…so the address was visited.
        The worst, most insolent, hateful one I canvassed was the residence of our Clerk of Court. His wife would give no data and referred me to him in the courthouse. He told me the government had no right to this data. I was astounded. I gave him the spiel they taught us, (how we apportion representatives, etc) and he refused. So I told him the next step was me giving his name to the sheriff to get the data. He complied.
        I have been pleased to read both his wife’s obituary and his.

    • Hue-Man

      Canada Census doesn’t ask about sexual orientation only about the relationships of the people in the household.

  • SLK in SF

    See you all in the re-education camps.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/5thCircAppeals/status/913505299549638656
    Crap like this is why Democrats continue to lose important fights such as the courts.
    Fuck the high road, it’s gotten us nothing but right wing hacks who will made our lives hell for the next 30-40 years.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      There’s a Democrat on the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals?

  • clay

    BTW, this question is not planned for the full-count Decennial Census, but for the sample-count American Community Survey (the old “long form”). Those results are ONLY used as aggregated estimates.

  • MBear

    OT: When did Disqus start allowing you to log on via your Amazon account. Really? A freakin shopping network?

    • zhera

      It’s all connected. All the info on you, gathered in one place. (fitting for the subject of this article!)

      • MBear

        Creepy

    • clay

      Hadn’t you heard? Amazon’s not just a freakin’ shopping network; it carries the mark of the Beast.

      • MBear

        Im screamin like a demon when i try to use their website

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Every time you post on JMG, you get $0.005 off your purchase at Whole Foods, if you have it delivered by Uber, if purchased through the Amazon app, if installed on a new iPhony S9X+.

      • MBear

        I use none of those. *sigh*

  • ByronK

    I would just worry they reversed course because the Keebler Elf wants to know how many bunk beds to order for the camps.

  • DrRobY

    Remember many said that there was no difference between Trump and Clinton. Those protest votes went far, didn’t they?

    • MBear

      Perhaps those were the people swayed by the Russian-paid Stein ads…?

      • I love dim sum

        Clinton spent $1.3 billion on her campaign, and a 3rd world country like Russia managed to completely derail it? if that’s the case it really shows how pathetic of a candidate she was, to spend that much money and still lose, to the worst Republican candidate ever.

        • Scott Carpenter

          Oh, you’re so cute when you… No, wait. You’re not ever cute.

        • MBear

          LOL

        • stevenj

          Your obsession with Hillary is Very Very Republican.

          • leastyebejudged

            The simply enormous amount of money throw around this last election cycle should have you fucking furious.

            But no, instead you’re just towing the party line, like a good idiot.

            It’s criminal what’s been spent this last election, and look what it yielded. You fuckers are determined to make everything continue to suck even worse, you’ve learned NOTHING.

    • I love dim sum

      There is a difference.

      Clinton would be slightly worse since she knows the behind the scenes better than ineffectual dunce Trump.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Lol, you’re adorable 🙂

        • I love dim sum

          Call me whatever you please, I will still be voting only 3rd party next year and 2020.

          • gaycuckhubby

            You do you

          • ByronK

            I suppose is someone has to, it might as well be him. Kinda sad actually.

          • Treant

            I’m sure he does, nobody else will do him.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            because no one else will.

            Sorry, I just had to.

          • andrew

            Although 3rd parties never win the presidency, it is your vote to throw away. Go for it. LOL.

          • I love dim sum

            Neither does Hillary ever win presidencies. I think I’ll stick with 3rd party.

          • stevenj

            Your obsession with Hillary is Very Republican.

          • andrew

            If throwing your vote away pleases you, do it. Life is too short to make the hard choices. LOL.

          • I love dim sum

            Voting for Hillary just resulted in getting Trump, so all your vote got was Trump.

            LOL.

          • I love dim sum

            All of your rebuttals against me sound like boring easily countered Correct the Record cut and paste posts. Laughable and tired.

          • stevenj

            Do you think there is even one person on this site who gives a shit how a troll votes?

          • Oscarlating Wildely
          • Phillip in L.A.

            Cute Dad!

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I know, right? Did you ever see Thirtysomething? Kind of cheesy but memorable late 80s show? Gary the professor: looked like him.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            I knew that guy looked familiar! I didn’t watch the show often, but one of my exes was on it, once.

      • andrew

        Hillary Clinton would have been a very good POTUS. Her first term would have been much like Obama’s two terms, not perfect but head and shoulders above the mutant Administration now in office. The appointments to Government Agencies and Departments and to the nations courts would have reflected her center-left politics. We would be a far better off nation with Hillary at the helm than the buffoon now in charge.

        • I love dim sum

          She would have been utter garbage….her presidency would be Nixon redux but worse. The only difference is a lot of the center-right Democratic voters would have turned a blind eye to her due to tribalism (‘she’s on our team so it’s OK).

          Oh and her politics are not center-left, she is completely center-right at best, and it’s totally false to claim otherwise.

          • ByronK

            You could replace Trump with a wind-up toy of a monkey with a drum and it would do an infinitely better job. And in case you haven’t noticed, Trump IS Nixon redux but worse.

          • Todd20036

            I’m done with that dumb sim troll

          • andrew

            If you actually followed her career in Arkansas, the White House, Senate and the State Department and had a functioning brain, you would realize that she like, Obama, Bill Clinton, Carter, Kerry, Gore, LBJ, JFK, and Truman is the consummate Center-Left politician.

          • I love dim sum

            Yes, I know her record, that’s why I know she is a center-right politician. She condones human rights violations in Saudi Arabia and she calls minorities “Superpredators that should be brought to heel”. That’s absolutely not center-left.

          • andrew

            Despite your incorrect observations, Hillary Clinton is a classic Center-Left Democratic politician. I know them when I see them, because I am one of them, Bless their souls.

        • Silver Badger

          Arguing with this user is blocked is something of a waste of time. However, perhaps one of you has more patience than I do and can persuade him to stop being him.

          • leastyebejudged

            I wish you could be persuaded to drink some bleach, your’e the worst kind of weasel, coward and lair.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      I kinda wish people would stop doing the “I told ya so!” thing about the last election so we can properly and effectively focus on the next.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Thing is, until those responsible own up to what they did and, more importantly, learn from their mistakes it’s going to be repeated over and over until it sinks in. This is how I try to educate them…

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/958347f509207651d926c929e8f2a10116857a64c17ddeca5dc32cfb2920c047.jpg

        • m_lp_ql_m

          I agree they’ll need to learn from their mistakes, but people tend to learn better when the teacher isn’t gloating about how they did it right.

          • leastyebejudged

            These people here are no teachers by ANY measure.

            They’re liars and they’re frauds.

        • I love dim sum

          All that Hillary supporter purity test list is going to do is encourage more people to leave the Democratic party, and vote 3rd party. Like me.

          • Todd20036

            Then stop bitching about trump and the Nazis because apparently you’re ok with them

          • ZRAinSWVA

            That’s foolishness, and it has nothing really to do with Hillary.

            The point is, when you KNOW your preferred candidate doesn’t have a chance in HELL of winning and you still vote for them, you are essentially throwing your vote away and imperiling any chance of electing a candidate that will at least protect our interests. Okay, you made a point with your vote. Good for you. We lost, and we all suffer as a result. But that “I feel good ’cause I voted for my preferred candidate” glow only lasts until you get steamrolled along with our community, and in current circumstances, the world.

          • I love dim sum

            So, going by your logic, people living in deep red states like Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming etc should never ever vote Democratic, since those states have only gone Republican for decades. You are saying that you should only vote D if you live on the coastal states, since its a wasted vote otherwise. That makes no sense. The generic gaslighting and guiltripping tactics didn’t work in 2016, and they won’t in 2018 or 2020.

            Also, you are wrong on not having a chance in hell of winning. If enough people vote for a 3rd party candidate, then yes they do have a chance of winning. Oh, and all these nebulous threats of retaliation against the LGBT community are evidenceless scaremongering, and I’m confident Hillary would have actually tried something discriminatory against us since she was completely against marriage equality until 3 years ago (when she was forced to change her mind).

        • Phillip in L.A.

          It probably sounds more romantic in French, tho’

        • leastyebejudged

          You’re an idiot. “Those responsible” – fuck off you fucking canadian piece of shit.

      • leastyebejudged

        It’s amusing to me how they manage to consistently mis-remember and make these kind of obvious horseshit generalizations.

      • Cackalaquiano

        You’re right, but I’m still mad.

  • aagold76 .

    did they bow to pressure- or do they want a list/registry of gay people? They tried to get voter records info- and failed- seeing as how 95% of us voted Democrat- this could be a good way to start a list.

    • clay

      The deep state Census Bureau wants to ask so they know if we’re being skipped over.

      The Trumpsters wanted to NOT ask, because we don’t matter to them, and they don’t give a shit if we have representation.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Where does one apply to become a Deep State Shadow Minister, these days?

        • clay

          Union regulations mean you needed to start in the mail room 20 years ago. /s

          There is a federal hiring freeze, so . . . sorry.

  • Steven B
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      So basically a list of people whose ass needs to go to jail.

      • Todd20036

        Other prisoners don’t deserve that lot as cell mates

        • Paul

          Just package them up and tell the inmates they’ve got a shipment of Real Dolls.

        • lymis

          Pair them up, then. They deserve each other.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Given LGBT peoples (valid) fears of this administration I hope LGBT organizations will make a push to get queer people to answer honestly.
    This data is collected to help us. Not hurt us

    • Treant

      Yes, but…in 2020, if Trump cheats his way into the WH a second time, I’ll be lying on the Census. Brazenly. My husband is just some guy who’s my roommate. The genetic material spattered all over both of us? Coincidence.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Splattered? LOL!!!

        • Treant

          Seriously, stand back. I can put an eye out with this thing.

          • AmeriCanadian

            OK that’s hot! Though happily married I still like my fantasies!

          • Treant

            Yeah, but my husband merely looks something like the tsunami coming into Japan. It’s not a sudden wave, the water just rises up and engulfs the villagers…

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            I think it’s “spattered.” Something I learned watching Dexter.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Well, if you’re legally married then your cover is blown.

        • Treant

          I’m quite certain that the one hand doesn’t know what the other is doing. Besides that our state government what knows I be wed.

      • Hue-Man

        The 2011 Canadian Census had an abnormal number of men in Fort McMurray, Alberta, reporting that they were in a common-law same-sex relationship. Turns out they were living in Tar Sands camps or shared apartments and filled out the form incorrectly!
        http://www.vancouversun.com/news/national/just+friends+census+have+counted+roommates+married+couples/7265559/story.html

        • jixter

          Or so they say …

      • m_lp_ql_m

        It just looks really cool under black light.

    • Friday

      It’s a different picture if he bad guys are in power. We can’t even trust the DOJ anymore. But hopefully they’ll be in jail by 2020.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    You know how when there was talk of a Muslim registry, people (at least decent people) were horrified and many said they would register as well so that the registry would be inaccurate and become useless?

    I wonder if a gay celeb or ally might come out and encourage straight people to indicate their orientation / gender as LGB and / or T to bloat the results and reduce the usability for the government to target gays. Since there are many LGBT who are not out and won’t provide the correct answer, the additional number generated by allies isn’t really bloating the percentages, just replacing those too scared to reply honestly.

    Would this be legal? Lying on a government form I believe is a felony, would answering the census question this way put the person at legal risk?

    • jixter

      I’ve heard that you can “snap and turn queer” in an instant. So if that instant happens when you’re answering their question, how can it be illegal?

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        And jail makes you a gay. :-/

    • Cackalaquiano

      I think we need accurate data, and I really don’t think Census information will be misused. There are laws barring that.

  • TheManicMechanic

    The fascist government needs to know where we live, after all.

    • Michael White

      Like the DACA kids

  • This Big Every Day!

    I’m saving myself for my second husband…..so I’m heterosexual in the meantime.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Haha. Heterosexuals don’t have sex once they are married, from what I hear from my jealous straight friends.

  • leastyebejudged

    Making you invisible is how they destroy your future.

  • DesertSun59

    I’ll bet they already left the question off the questionnaires.

    • Friday

      They hope to make sure everyone’s afraid to answer when they have power, if they get it. (Someone tell the Log Cabin Collaborators that)

  • BudClark

    I’m afraid the Nazis will use the information against us. OTOH, I am a gay widower, and there are records of my marriage.

  • Hue-Man

    Why don’t they just ask Google? Except for the people living completely off the grid, Google knows everything about everybody. Plus they would identify the deeply-closeted who would never report being gay on a Census form.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    “…that we are distributed . . . that we are represented, and that the . . . are protected.”

    All passive voice.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    I will answer proudly. Fuck the consequences.

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  • easygoingmister

    I remember telling the census last time they asked. I figure if it really comes to being rounded up I want to be with my peeps and not trying to navigate the hate-zombies.