Russian Facebook Ads Backed Stein, Sanders, Trump

Politico reports:

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was the beneficiary of at least one of the Russian-bought political ads on Facebook that federal government officials suspect were intended to influence the 2016 election.

Other advertisements paid for by shadowy Russian buyers criticized Hillary Clinton and promoted Donald Trump. Some backed Bernie Sanders and his platform even after his presidential campaign had ended, according to a person with knowledge of the ads. The pro-Stein ad came late in the political campaign and pushed her candidacy for president, this person said.

“Choose peace and vote for Jill Stein,” the ad reads. “Trust me. It’s not a wasted vote. … The only way to take our country back is to stop voting for the corporations and banks that own us. #GrowaSpineVoteJillStein.”

  • Tawreos

    At what point does meddling in a countries elections become an act of war?

    • When their candidate loses?

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      When you add in the attacks on voter registrations rolls and the carefully timed leaking of damaging intel, I think is IS an act of war.

      For Trump to not spend one once of effort on improving electoral integrity and security by itself is a violation of his oath of office and if we lived in sane times, an impeachable offense.

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      I’d say last year. But, then I’m funny that way.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Todd20036

      I think they kind of wanted to be duped.
      The idea of a strong woman running the country was very threatening to a lot of people.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        I’ll never be able to understand that.

        • Todd20036

          Neither will I, but then I don’t really want white, male privilege despite having it.

        • LyndaBSchmitz

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      • Phillip in L.A.

        “, , , very threatening to a lot of ^peoplemen

        • Todd20036

          some women too, actually.

          • TK

            WHITE women.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Stockholm

    • As much as I blame Stein (and I do), it takes a special kind of stupid to think Trump would be better on anything than Clinton. She wasn’t perfect but she was significantly better across the board. Oh, she was a hawk? I ask then, would be be nervous that she was going to launch a nuclear strike? Of course not. Better.

  • crewman

    All those buys help Trump. Support for Stein and Sanders would increase discontent with Hillary as the choice.

  • bkmn

    I really want to know how much money FB has made off of throwing the election

    • Treant

      And how much we need to penalize them to cancel that out…plus fifty percent.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Fiat lex! (‘Let there be law!’)

        (A pun on “Fiat lux!”–‘Let there be light!’)

        • Treant

          I thought it was, “Let there be a large, insectoid spaceship.”

          I guess that would be “Fiat Lexx,” though.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Yes, I think there’s a glottal stop, though, before the second ‘x’

          • Phillip in L.A.
          • Reminds me of my first audition in Germany, singing German for Germans. I don’t think I’ve ever been that nervous (or fucked up that much thank to those nerves). It got better from there. No matter how much coaching you do in another language, there’s always some sound that gives you away as being a foreigner.

  • GayOldLady

    Why am I not surprised by this?

    • Joe in PA

      Because you’ve been paying attention.

      • GayOldLady

        Most everyone who comments here has! 🙂

        • Joseph Miceli

          That’s why I love it when the trolls get on here . They usually so horribly outmatched they last five minutes

  • TrueWords

    Jill Stein is a liar that has been in bed with Russia ALL along…anyone who wasted their vote on Jill helped Donald Trump…PERIOD…

    • Same with Bernie. Lock them both up.

      • j.martindale

        Bernie at least campaigned for Clinton. It was the die-hards who supported him past the primaries that bear the blame.

        • Friday

          A lot of whom actually were foreign bots and spammers and Trump supporters all along. WHen Berniebots keep claiming he was ‘robbed of something’ and ‘would have won,’ they have to ignore that Bernie only ‘won’ in caucus states, (often contrary to the popular votes and polling) and about half his ‘support’ in states was Trump supporters crossing primaries to weaken Hilllary and divide the party.

          • danolgb

            My biggest issue with Bernie is he stays silent. He could do a lot to end the still existing division immediately by speaking out and telling the truth that he wasn’t cheated. But crickets..
            He could have stopped the pouty children at the convention, but he didn’t. He basked in their attention.

          • Friday

            Well, it’s not exactly been crickets but it’s going to take a lot more than the occasional disclaimer.

          • danolgb

            Where is this disclaimer Bernie has made?

          • Friday

            Eh, he *has* spoken up on occasion, clearly not enough that everyone knows *where.*

          • danolgb

            I don’t think I’ve ever heard him clearly articulate that no, he wasn’t cheated. That would go against his “anti-establishment” rhetoric that requires him to be cheated.

          • Joseph Miceli

            So with gerrymandering , Russian collusionRepublican voter suppression and fox propaganda you are going to blame Bernie . There really is nothing to talk to you about .

          • danolgb

            Well, gerrymandering has nothing to do with a presidential election. Absolutely, zero, nada, zilch. Voter suppression did have an effect, but there is more that one kind of voter suppression and the kind that the Russian collusion used was to keep Bernie fanatics from voting. You see, it was Bernie who fed the rhetoric that he would be cheated. And it was the Russian collusion that Bernie fanatics used to convince themselves that he was. This kept them from voting or at least voting for the one sane candidate. Had Bernie not started the rhetoric in the first place, there would have been nothing for the Russians to use.
            At the very least, Bernie could have come out forcefully and told his followers that he wasn’t cheated. But he didn’t. He still can, but he doesn’t. He had them marching around the convention thinking they had their voices silenced when the Dems were pushing one of the most progressive platforms in history. Bernie was, and is, uniquely positioned to stop the stupid division. But he doesn’t.
            Instead, we have idiot Bernie followers protesting Pelosi as she tries to save DACA because they demand her to go somehow get amnesty when it’s currently impossible.

          • lymis

            Gerrymandering can have a great deal to do with presidential elections, depending on how the states apportion their delegates.

          • danolgb

            Not really.. almost all states are winner-take-all. Only Nebraska and Maine are not winner-take-all states.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yes because it isn’t stupid to say that everyone Who supported Bernie hates America . You keep on losing that the 2018 election ! Good job ! Instead of feeding into this foolishness maybe you might want to attack the Republicans for a change . You are keeping this division alive so well I’d suspect you were Russian .

          • danolgb

            See, here’s your problem. You make up this victim-narrative that I didn’t say. I’m specifically talking about how Bernie himself can stop the division and you have some religious need to make it about you.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yes, yes…. it’s all about me. It isn’t about fighting an election that has already passed and feeding a narrative of internal strife that will serve to lose us the next election. Nope, it isn’t about YOUR foolishness at all. Not one bit.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh … and while gerrymandering does not directly affect federal outcomes if you think it has no effect at all on federal elections you must be a Bernie detractor .

          • danolgb

            It has an effect on Congress, it has nothing to do with President as all but two states are winner-based-all on popular vote of the state.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yes, because looking at a wider picture is for nerds.

          • danolgb

            As soon as Bernie shows he can focus on the big picture then maybe you’d have a point. But for Bernie it’s about Bernie’s way and if he can’t have his way, it’s no way. That’s what his idiot followers who protested Pelosi were literally saying just last week. And guess what. They’ll get nothing and so will we.
            Russia didn’t target Hillary supporters. They targeted Bernie supporters. There’s a reason for that.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yeah the one you’re ignoring but keep it up . You are already on your way to losing 2020 . Mazel tov!

          • Friday

            I’m sure he has. At least he debunked the conspiracy theories, …mind you, he may have left out the bit that a lot of his primary ‘support’ actually polled as intending to vote for Drumph in the general election regardless.

          • danolgb

            Citation needed. I would think that if he had said it, the DNC would have used it in its evidence to thwart off the stupid lawsuit that was luckily thrown out on standing. Yet the idiots who brought the suit think that the judge agreed that Bernie was cheated. I’ve seen nothing from Bernie admitting he hadn’t been cheated.

          • Friday

            I didn’t exactly write down footnotes over it.

          • danolgb

            If he made such a statement, surely it was captured in an article somewhere.

          • Friday

            I was getting most of my news from public radio at the time, (well, still do) but presumably somewhere.

          • danolgb

            Still, Bernie saying he wasn’t cheated would be huge news. It would have been everywhere and it would have done something to quell the stupidity. I think you’re imagining it.

          • Friday

            It really wasn’t. That’s where he could have done better by a lot.

          • Friday

            (Seriously, why the fuck would I bother to lie to you about this? )

          • danolgb

            I honestly don’t understand why you’re so insistent he did. It really would be huge news if he had.

          • Friday

            Clearly it wasn’t.

          • marshlc

            There was a lot of divisive talk, too, in his campaign rhetoric. You can’t essentially call your opponent a crook in the primary and then expect your support later on to have much weight.

            I know that American and Canadian systems are different enough that not many useful parallels can be drawn, but I still feel that your long, drawn out, and very very public system for choosing the candidate is often a hindrance. A vicious, hard fought primary weakens the candidate in the general election.

            I feel the choice of who runs for the party is one that should be made by the party, and, while not in secret, also not deliberately blasted across all the front pages in the country. Those who are interested can follow, and everybody else can just decide which party to support, when the election comes. Would help to deal with politics fatigue, too.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Agree that campaign- and election-seasons should be DRASTICALLY shortened in the U.S.

          • danolgb

            Well, yeah. That’s the problem with Bernie and his “anti establishment” rhetoric. He kneecapped Hillary. A candidate who actually cares about the outcome of the general doesn’t do nearly anything Bernie did. He should have dropped out when it was clear he didn’t have the math. The race was nothing like 2008 when there were times Hillary was ahead. In 2016, Bernie always lagged and by an insurmountable lead. At the very least, he should have dropped out when Trump had clinched the GOP nomination. But again, he went more negative and hurt us in the general. By the time he finally endorsed Hillary, a month after the primary’s were over, the damage had been done. He was the one who went to Michigan and Wisconsin to campaign for Hillary. But he couldn’t, or didn’t, undo his damage.
            And we’re left so divided today, that we’re going to not recover in 2018. Bernie could do something about that, but he’s got his eyes on 2020. People who don’t think he’s going to run aren’t paying attention.

          • Ronny K Marshall

            Bernie can rot in hell

          • jerry

            And the pouty children haven’t gone away. A group of them attended our state executive committee meeting earlier this year and were upset that they weren’t given a platform to speak, that the “corporate Democrats” were still trying to silence them (anyone who doesn’t worship Bernie like they do has sold out and is a corporate shill). Unless they had business before the committee or were invited as special speakers, non members don’t get to do that. Later that month, they started an internet campaign to try to get the state chair to resign or be fired.

          • danolgb

            Look at the pouty children we’re still seeing here. They don’t get how they were the ones used to put Trump into office.

          • jonfromcalifornia

            Exactly. When all is said and done, Bernie is for Bernie only. The conservatives would have had a field day with him and his socialism. I have nothing against socialism but many others in this country do, thanks to corporate propaganda.

      • Most Bernie people voted for Hillary in November so let’s not lump them all together with the bots, most of whom were Russian operatives and not actual Americans who could vote here anyway.

      • Joseph Miceli

        No and you were being silly .

        • No. Bernie Sanders is a fucking criminal who is covering up his wife’s fraud. The wife who destroy an entire college. I hope they both die in prison.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Thank you Dobby! Listen, I’ve got about 10 tons of Hillary Clinton smears you’ll just LOVE, since apparently you’ll believe anything.
            Call me when Bernie and his wife have a grand jury impanelled. Till then don’t bother.

    • Ronny K Marshall

      Jill Shit Stain is a vile sack of shit

    • wds

      I still want a real explanation of this — the ONLY presidential candidate at a Russian Dinner w/Putin…looks like all are having a wonderful time … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c4efc17fb1656ca8dfcf66ec859d3161c56e92ae0a2ca02f4139fb689ead8c3d.jpg

    • Paul

      Wonder if Jill senses she’s being followed more these days? Probably worried she’ll die of natural causes after jumping out a 10th story window three times.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Facebook, Where you lie about your life and the Russians lie to you

  • pj

    don and the russians stole the election. don pulled off his biggest con. wonder what the goobers will do when all that sinks in.

    • justme

      They’ll still hate Hillary and blame President Obama…

      • Steverino

        They are beyond hope. Problem is, they vote. The Achilles Heel of democracy.

        • Yes. The right votes and the left doesn’t. (Yes, I know some of the left vote. Please spare me the “but *I* vote responses” because it’s obvious what I meant. The far right shows up for every school board run-off election and the left can barely be counted up to show up for presidential elections much less mid-terms. And then they want to bitch and moan about how Democrats aren’t progressive enough. Yes, the party moved to the center because moving to the left got them beat and embarrassingly so. (I remember 1972 and 1980.)

        • Circ09

          Yeah, they vote. But they also have a good on-the-ground mobilization game. The Clintons and Kaine, on the other hand, were instrumental in dismantling the 50 State Solution leaving states like Texas with effectively NO Democratic Party apparatus. The Clintons are hated by the right but they are also deeply unpopular by many on the left for their numerous unforced errors and self-entitlement. And those have come back to bite Hillary in the ass each time she has run for President.

    • Treant

      Nothing. I’m entirely willing to bet that half the current Republican party is in bed with the Russians.

      The base is dumb enough that they’ll follow along like good little piggies, right into the slaughterhouse.

      • justme

        wonder if that is why some aren’t running in 2018…??

        • Treant

          Oh, so do I. Some may be the half that aren’t, being forced out. Some may be the half that ARE, making way for a more palatable candidate to the Russians.

      • Todd20036

        The base is a bunch of Nazis. They only care that a white male, “Christian” RWNJ is in office.
        Even treason doesn’t matter to them.
        Why do you think they fly the Confederate flag or the Nazi flag?

      • lymis

        I’ll say that a significant number of the SEATED Republicans sure seem to be in bed with the Russians, or blindly fawning on major donors who are.

        I also think that entirely too many people – Republicans, certainly, at this point in time – don’t care in the slightest how they win, as long as they win. It’s less that they’re in bed with the Russians and more that they don’t care that the Russians have climbed into their beds and they think it doesn’t matter and won’t matter, as long as they’re in “power.”

        The telling point is that it’s nearly impossible to find any Republicans who are even hinting at trying to keep it from happening again. In a saner society, it would be a non-partisan priority to ensure the fairness and un-hackability of our elections.

  • TrueWords

    Just look at this picture and see that she is NO different than Donald…what a fucking joke…also where did all that recount money go…hmmm…

    https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_14/1955941/170405-putin-flynn-dinner-jhc-1700_2740adaac2e67a2ac1ec0bcdae1f8a56.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg

  • Treant

    You know what? I’m just going to leave the thread before we get a hundred bots in here saying, “No, he didn’t benefit, he’s a pure candidate and she cheated!”

    It’ll save me wearing out my mouse blocking the Busters.

  • GayOldLady

    When we had people coming here, trying to press the lie about the Clinton Foundation, I knew there was something rotten going on. I think I even referred to a few of them as “ratfuckers”.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      In Russia, … the rats frack you.
      (And boy did America get fracked. We must demand a new election!)

    • j.martindale

      Constant, unremitting, bald faced lies. I am afraid that the internet is at one and the same time the best thing to happen in terms of American political thought, and the worst. It is a great tool for educating the American public while at the same time immensely capable of misleading the public. I think most objective people would agree, though, that the social media is absolute crap.

      • GayOldLady

        I agree and loathe Facebook for the rumor mongering, hate mongering, cesspool that it is. I opened a FB account about 10 years ago, the first person it tried to hook me up with/ recommend as friend was my ex-husband who I divorced in the early 70’s. Then it tried to hook me up with people I haven’t seen in 50 years. If I don’t see someone in 50 years it’s because I’ve chosen not to see them. I immediately deleted my acct. My friends, children and grandchildren are constantly telling me about some BS on Facebook. I advise them all to “delete” their account, but apparently they’re all hooked on it.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Not to get too pompous but the years-long campaign of vilification waged against Marie Antoinette reminds me of what was done to Hillary Clinton in both tone and complete absence of proof. What I mean is, yes, I agree re the internet, but I don’t think the impulses or techniques used are anything new.

        • CB

          Yes!!!!!!

      • Social media, like the internet, is the worst and best thing ever. I use it to stay connected to colleagues and friends that would be hard to keep track of (as we are always moving around). I belong to a number of groups that share recommendations and give each other advice on professional and artistic matters. On twitter I can follow freelance writers and I am able to read pretty much any newspaper in the world online and people link to stories I might have missed. I no longer have to rely solely on the US media which seem only to be able to cover one story at a time in spite of being 24/7 all-news channels.

        And yes, any idiot can post and re-post things and it’s harder than ever to sort out reliable from unreliable sources. But frankly in many fields (like my own) an amazing amount of poorly sourced and flat out wrong information keeps being reprinted in paper format so that was always a thing too.

    • Niblet58

      I have 3 Facebook accounts (for games and such) and one for personal stuff. My game accounts have nothing likes just gaming groups, but my personal one does. I had likes for Hillary, the Democratic party, and lots of environmental stuff on there.
      Not ONCE did I see anything negative about Hillary on that account but the other 3 accounts were flooded with anti Clinton shit. I knew then that something very strange was going on. Now I know those “blank” accounts were thought to be on the fence while my personal one would have been a waste of assets to shove ads onto.

      • GayOldLady

        Sounds as if Facebook was somehow involved in targeting

        • Robin Salvadori Allison

          Their algorithm would look at the posts you “liked” and show you more like them. It unfortunately adds to the echo chamber and spread of false news when folks like and share BS without vetting it, because then FB sends them more similar things, which reinforces the idea that the BS was true, since look at all these posts! While I was staying neutral in the primary (lasted only until the false Hillary memes came up and Bernie worship), I had all kinds of posts. As I went public supporting Hillary, the Bernie propaganda got less.
          The algorithm also looks at words you use….using Trump’s name will send you things about Trump.
          The algorithm was much better this election season than the last 2- no republican ads in my sidebar for example. But I don’t think it was on purpose, just a side effect that wouldn’t normally be a problem, since normally someone who always posts about knitting would get flooded with yarn and crochet and knitting posts and ads, or someone who likes every cat photo gets more cats.

          I should stop liking things for a week and see if my feed changes LOL.

          • GayOldLady

            Thanks for explaining, similar to Google chasing me with ads after I search things I’m considering purchasing.

  • Ernest Endevor

    This comes as a complete surprise.

  • another_steve

    Not clear to me how a mega-operation like Facebook can prevent foreign money from coming in to them for malicious purposes. What’s to stop foreign operatives from contracting with Americans so that the money appears to be coming out of American pockets?

    What am I missing? How could Facebook effectively police this sort of stuff?

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Not sure you’re missing anything, another_steve! (At least with respect to what you have written here about Facebook and foreign money!) 🙂

    • GayOldLady

      We have campaign laws that make accepting money from foreign governments or campaign ads financed by foreign government illegal. I don’t think the FEC or Facebook was expecting the Russians to use Facebook platform for the purpose of Fake News targeting Hillary in support of Trump.

      • Friday

        They could have just looked, it was always pretty obvious.

      • another_steve

        So if Putin’s guys pay me $1,000 to submit a $500 ad to Facebook condemning Candidate X, how could/would Facebook know that it’s in fact a campaign ad financed by a foreign government?

        • Treant

          They wouldn’t, and probably wouldn’t be on the hook in that case if they had no reasonable way of knowing.

          You, however, have colluded to circumvent Federal law by placing an ad paid for by a foreign government. So you would be in deep trouble in this instance if you were caught.

          Since you probably aren’t the only one, and are placing multiple ads they paid you to place, you become more visible and easier to track.

        • GayOldLady

          Well they wouldn’t, but you are required under Federal Law to reveal the source of your donations and the source of contributors to political ads. So, if an individual, or a fake acct, which happened in the case of Facebook, tried to place a political ad, that would require disclosure to the FEC. Facebook failed to disclose. If any individuals took part in the process of financing a political add or fake news political ads, that would require the individual to also disclose. If you notice on TV political advertising it always reveals the name of the Organization that paid for that advertising.

          • another_steve

            Human nature being what it is, any system that relies on voluntary compliance with rules, regulations and laws (i.e., compliance that isn’t 100 percent enforceable via external checks and means) is useless.

            Useless.

          • GayOldLady

            The problem happened because the FEC wasn’t looking at FB as a platform that could be used for politically motivated advertising/Fake News. When FB was first approached by the FEC, their initial public position was “we don’t” have any political advertisements financed by foreign governments or foreign entities, but they did. When the Russia probe heated up apparently they took a second look and found ads that had been placed by foreign entities and they came clean. Now they’re revisiting their system to see if there are more. They know that there were thousands of fake accounts setup by the Russian Govt/Russian entities. I think when this is over we’ll see the FEC scrubbing the internet during every election cycle to keep foreigners from meddling in our election with fake news.

          • Lizard

            “The problem happened because the FEC wasn’t looking at FB as a platform that could be used for politically motivated advertising/Fake News.”

            Which is kind of fascinating because we’ve known for ages that fake news is disseminated on Facebook as people share articles from fake sites designed to look like local online newspapers.

        • Waarki

          They paid in ₽

    • DreadPikathulhu

      Ad-buying on Facebook is an automated process; anyone with a credit card can buy an ad and target it to whatever audience they desire with no human interaction whatsoever.

      Facebook could start by requiring ad-buys to go through a human being, just like newspapers and TV – but that would directly impact their bottom line by requiring them to increase staff.

      • CB

        Or have a standards and practices group as every network is required to have that reviews every ad that appears on the network.

        • Circ09

          Yep. That kind of regulation over all social media entities is needed. And already being worked on. Now we will see how long it takes to get passed.

      • -M-

        Semi-automated review is possible too. Use filters and machine learning to triage ad-buys, user complaints, viral messages etc for review or intervention.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Then they fucked up by allowing their company to be used for criminal purposes. If Zuckerburg was selling drugs, his company would already have been seized by the cops.

  • TrueWords

    Facebook reported advertising revenue of $9.16 billion in the second quarter of 2017, a 47 percent increase over the same quarter last year. In its quarterly earnings report released today, the social giant beat analysts’ expectations with a total revenue of $9.3 billion—an increase of 45 percent year-over-year.

    • shellback

      This is so effing disgusting.

    • William

      Some of that may buy Zuckerberg a private cell in the federal pen.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Oh, but under Citizens United, aren’t these “ad buys” protected “core political speech” under the U.S. Constitution? /s [?]

    • Friday

      Campaigns still can’t accept foreign funding.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Tell it to the Supremes! 🙂

      • lymis

        Even if that’s true, as a practical matter, legal or not, DONORS can accept foreign money and then use it to influence American elections.

        • danolgb

          There’s little in the law that stops anyone from promoting a candidate independently.

  • BeaverTales

    Facebook’s political ads might be a bigger deal in WI, MI and PA than the rest of the country… At least the popular vote shows that Hillary was mostly unaffected.

  • Halou

    “Some backed Bernie Sanders and his platform even after his presidential campaign had ended”

    Naturally. Anything to destabilise America, sow discord and foment unrest.

    • Michael

      It most likely had to do with how much Russia hates Clinton.

      • bobbyjoe

        After watching Trump’s presidency, it’s hard to say that hating Hillary was the Russians’ main goal in their election interference.

        The goal, most assuredly, was to specifically put Donald Trump in office. Trump has done everything possible to distract, divide, and destabilize the West– he couldn’t be acting as more of a stooge for Putin if he literally sat on Putin’s lap with Putin’s hand up his back working Trump’s mouth. Putin may despise Hillary, but it’s clear this operation was meant to get Donald Trump in office no matter who his main opponent had been.

        • -M-

          I think at first the goal was to sow discord and instability to weaken Clinton and the West. It worked better than expected and Putin decided to push for an actual win for his mouthpiece Donnie.

  • Rex

    It’s just really sad that the only support Jill Stein could get was from Russians.

    • Todd20036

      Given she dined with Putin, does this really surprise you?

    • Friday

      Nah, to be fair, Nader and the Greens at the time tried very hard *not* to be the spoilers, just put pressure on the Dems to get more progressive. Primarily in safe states. Cause Gore was running to the *center.* (There was even a little ‘program’ where people’d agree to swap votes to make sure they *didn’t* put Bush over the top in battleground states. ) It was just cut too fine, notably to put Florida and probably Ohio within cheating range. I think that result is actually what kind of sent Nader around the bend.

      Since then, since the Democrats have actually been where to get more progressive/Green things *done,* it kind of left what was left of the party with mostly the fringe. I’m like “OK, who left the lights on when we left?”

      • William

        The Ohio vote was ‘fixed’ by Karl Rove and Diebold.

    • I love dim sum

      Hillary’s Supreme Court choices would have been just as corporatist and reactionary as Trump’s. So I’m still proud I voted for Stein over corrupt Hillary.

  • Gerry Fisher

    “Mr. Mueller, this is Jill Stein. Jill, meet Mr. Mueller.”

    • Todd20036

      IT’S NOT A DATE, JILL!!!

  • TheManicMechanic

    And the SteinStupids would fall for it again, I’m sure.

    • I love dim sum

      I changed my registration to Green last year. People like you reinforce that it was a good idea to leave the Democratic party.

      • William
        • I love dim sum

          I can’t read Russian……the fact that you are posting images with Cyrillic make you look like a Russian hacker, so aren’t you just contradicting yourself with your cringy weak attempt at an insult?

          • William

            I have been to Russia. The highest level official I met with was the woman who sold train tickets at the international ticket office.

          • I love dim sum

            Well I guess that means that you’re a Russian hacker then.

        • cleos_mom

          Well, there is that “dim” part.

          (better late than never)

      • TheManicMechanic

        Good. Bye.

  • TK

    The #MAGA, #Berniebros, #Jillenstein folk were served a huge pile of shit and happily ate it. Willingly going back for seconds.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ff27ce4ed514a54615d699e62db8f4c8d0d34e270b090237307792685e95bd6.gif

    • cleos_mom

      I’d prefer a fate far more painful and humiliating than any fucking.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Anybody got the pic of stein at the table on st petersburg with putin and flynn??

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Scroll down, Stephen Elliot Phillips–‘True Words’ posted it downthread

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Gracias

  • HZ81

    Thanks for fucking us over because you can’t discern bullshit from reality!!

  • Michael

    Obviously Clinton is hated throughout the world and not just here by many.

  • penpal

    UPDATE: Russians also told Clinton to withhold campaigning in Wisconsin and Michigan, tricking her into becoming a terrible candidate who allowed Trump to savage her in the last 2 debates.

    • Lizard

      “UPDATE: Russians also told Clinton to withhold campaigning in Wisconsin and Michigan”

      …how’d they manage that? Do you have a link?

    • Mike

      Breaking News: The narrative crafted the day after the election, that “Hillary lost because she didn’t go to Milwaukee and tuck each person into bed and kiss their foreheads” and “she was a terrible candidate” “Democrats didn’t pay attention to unemployed mill workers in Pennsylvania” has become gospel, and people repeat it as if it were true.

      It is not true. Hillary was a fabulous candidate. Trump was a hideously grotesque candidate. This time, hideous and grotesque is what the voters wanted. Fear does that to people. Democratic politics and policy are all about helping struggling people in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, everywhere. But enough of the people are easily manipulated by the trash they see on cable news and facebook, it’s easy to convince them to cut their own throats by voting for the likes of Trump.

      • Lizard

        And even if Hillary wasn’t an enormously qualified candidate, is that some kind of excuse for foreign entities purposefully meddling with the election? Answer: No. No, it isn’t.

        • Mike

          It’s maddening that Democrats are judged total failures unless they are utterly perfect in every way, even as Republicans are held to no standards whatsoever. Is Hillary perfect? No. But Trump doesn’t have a single redeeming quality.

          People don’t care about enormous qualifications in a candidate. It felt defiant to vote for Trump so that’s what they did. They thought they were teaching someone a lesson. All they were doing was screwing themselves.

          • Lizard

            They’re more than welcome to screw themselves, I just wish they wouldn’t burn the country down in the process.

        • -M-

          Nor for voting for an unhinged fascist kleptocrat.

  • Charlie 2001
    • I love dim sum

      There’s loads of pictures of Hillary meeting with Putin too. So I guess that means Hillary is a KGB operative.

      • William

        Hillary was on official business.

        • I love dim sum

          Sure, of course she was.

          She was busy selling off uranium mines to the Russians.

          • William

            Oh dear, you’re back on that again.

          • TimCA

            ‘Hillary gave away our uranium’.

            Completely debunked nonsense

          • I love dim sum

            New York Times is the publication that reported it, so not debunked. Just because Correct the Record denies it, doesn’t debunk the evidence.

          • TimCA
          • I love dim sum

            Looks like the person that is wrong is actually you. That retraction is completely unrelated to her brokering uranium sales to Russia. The retraction is about her email server.

            Did you even bother to read the retraction before you hastily copy and pasted your google search results? Obviously not.

          • TimCA

            My apologies for providing a wrong link to disprove your falsehoods.

            The fact remains however that the story is complete nonsense. Clinton did not give away uranium to the Russians (or per your quote: “selling off uranium mines to the Russians”). It’s an utter distortion. But I believe you know that.

  • JWC

    Nawsty nawsty Dr Stein Lets see if Bernie was in there too

  • KarenAtFOH

    Franklin said we were given a Republic, if we could keep it. On his way out, Obama expressed confidence in the wisdom of the people. I’m not as optimistic. Here in SWFL, slash pines are common, and they can survive hurricanes, but not all of them do. They can lose too many branches, or when the wind whips them around, their internal vascular structure gets torn, or too many roots get disrupted. These trees send out an acoustic or other signature that bark beetles pick up on and then invade the tree, causing it to eventually die. It’s not that the beetles are responsible, the damage is done and it will not recover. They look fine right now, but thanks to Irma, they are “dead trees walking.” I fear for our country in the same way now.

  • coram nobis

    Now showing in a theatre near you:

    TROJAN HORSE 2
    BEWARE GEEKS BEARING GIFS

    Rated PG-13.

  • -M-

    Surprise. Not.

    PS. Hey Zuckerberg, this is the kind of thing your social media platform can easily detect.

    • William

      Payment in Rubles should throw up a huge red flag.

      • -M-

        One would think so.

  • I love dim sum

    Hillary spent $1.3 Billion dollars and she still lost to a total loser of a candidate. Hillary is why we have Trump as president. No one else is to blame.

    Keep blaming and conspiracy theorizing Russia, Sanders, Stein, etc though. Maybe she can run and lose again in 2020.

    I would be embarrassed if I voted for Hillary after her narcissistic book came out last week. Still glad I voted Green Party, and I’m gonna do the same thing in 2018 and 2020.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      As your dear leader would say: “WRONG!”

      But it’s ok, you just go on sucking the orange cock you love so much. When the time comes, traitors like you will be dealt with.

      • I love dim sum

        ‘Traitors like you will be dealt with’

        LOL, is that so? Please tell me what is gonna happen to me then.

        Sorry I don’t meet your purity test (everyone that doesn’t fall for Russia conspiracy rubbish is a traitor)

  • Pip

    They were so scared of Hillary that they had to advertise for anyone but her to make sure she didn’t win.

    • -M-

      Exactly say or promote anything that could peel some sliver of voters away from the responsible adult.

  • PiperPine

    Not exactly a tactically surprising fact. If the intention was to ensure Clinton lost then the most logical way to do that would be to sheer supporters away from her base as much as inflame Trump supporters. Ergo targeting Sanders voters to remain angry or convince them to vote for someone else or stay home and pump up the anti-vaccine folks. Most of these targeted adds were so far there to create confirmation bias and inflame emotions.

    Annoying but not unexpected. Though if Clinton supporters use this as a cudgel against Sanders that will be unreasonable and incredibly stupid. Which means, likely, that that will have already begun doing so on various message boards.

  • WiscoJoe

    “Well, there’s a full-blown rebellion but you’re easy to confuse by triggered kids and fakers and some questionable views.” LCD Soundsystem, “call the police”

  • Vista-Cruiser

    None of this would have mattered had the voters not been so gullible. Unfortunately, Americans tend to believe anything that flashes by on their televisions and smart phones.

  • JCF