UTAH: Mormon Church, GOP Lawmakers, And Sen. Mike Lee Back Anti-Gay Colorado Baker In SCOTUS Briefs

Ben Winslow reports at Salt Lake City’s Fox affiliate:

Nearly all of the Utah State Senate has signed on in support of a Colorado shop who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple in a case now pending before the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah [photo], also signed on in support of Masterpiece Cake Shop in a series of amicus filings. For 22 of the 24 members of the Utah State Senate’s Republican majority caucus, they insist they are not anti-gay, and spent part of their filing defending their record on LGBTQ rights.

“Amici are Utah Republican State Senators who support compromise between LGBT protections and religious liberties. In 2015, against then prevailing political currents, supermajorities in Utah’s GOP controlled legislature added sexual orientation and gender identity to state antidiscrimination laws after stakeholders carefully balanced LGBT safeguards with religious liberties,” the filing states.

“This ‘Utah Compromise’ brought together LGBT organizations and faith groups with the mutual goal of achieving fairness for all in state employment and housing laws.”

Utah is among the majority of states where it remains completely legal to discriminate against LGBT consumers.

Mike Lee is the primary US Senate sponsor of the so-called First Amendment Defense Act, which would bar the federal government from acting against any person, business, or entity who discriminates against LGBT Americans in the name of White Jesus.

  • Mark

    Tax the mother fucking churches!!!!

    • another_steve

      Among the Top 10 outrages of 21st Century America: taxpayer subsidization of institutional religion.

      We’ll eventually evolve out of that paradigm and as a nation come to our collective senses. That’s the good news.

      The bad news is that by the time that evolution occurs, each and every person reading here will be compost for the worms. Pushing up the daisies. Etc etc.

      • Chucktech

        I’ve always said my deathbed lament is that we’re (certainly, at least, the US) still in the clutches of the lie of god.

        • another_steve

          I don’t know whether god is a lie. Knowing such things is above my pay scale. The pay scale of all human beings, as a matter of fact.

          I consider myself an apathetic agnostic.

          I don’t know and I don’t care.

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    • FAEN

      Couldn’t have said better myself.

    • Scotty Pressley

      Not going to happen as much as liberal pigs bitch and moan about it.

      • Mark

        Very rude. You should read the meaning of the word liberal.

        • Scotty Pressley

          I know what the word “liberal” means. And my statement stands. Liberal pigs are insufferable crybabies when they don’t get their way. Conservatives endured eight years of an immoral c#nt in the White House. We complained, but we never rioted. We didn’t create a platform of hatred and intolerance and anarchy as is being created by terrorists from ANTIFA, racists from Black Lives Matter, radical feminists whores from Planned Parenthood, and Nazi-style imperialists from the LGBTQ community. Liberals are takers–not givers. Liberals emphasize on self instead of God, which is why liberal pigs lack humility.

      • Mark

        By the way, buh bye troll……

  • Chrissy

    Mormon Church speaks with both sides of its mouth. You can’t trust them.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Dumpf: I like this. Both sides, both sides, … Mormons get it!

      • BudClark

        Mormon bois’ bicycle asses …. MMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ninja0980

    Do you support the right of businesses to refuse service to LGBT people that they would provide to straights?
    Then yes, you are anti-gay.

  • Publius

    When push comes to shove, the LDS “Church” will always prove their so-called evolution on LGBT rights is nothing but a smokescreen.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    The Supremes gotta start limiting amicus briefs–too many are being filed, and it is an unusual case where they actually add anything. An obscene waste of resources, imo.

  • FAEN

    Let a Muslim baker start refusing Xtians and Mike Lee will be screaming, SCREAMING about discrimination.

    Hypocrites!

    • Ninja0980

      The bigots tried to do a gotcha thing with Muslims refusing to bake cakes for same sex couples to try and prove we’re anti-Christian without mentioning the fact the videos were shot in MI, where it is perfectly legal to refuse service to same sex couples.
      They also fail to mention there have been several cases of Muslim cab drivers pulling the same religious freedom crap this baker is, and in states with discrimination laws in place, they’ve lost each and every time.
      If your religious beliefs mean you can’t follow the discrimination laws of a state, don’t open or operate a business that serves the public.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        “If your religious beliefs mean you can’t follow the discrimination laws of a state, don’t open or operate a business that serves the public.”

        Underline and bold

      • jerry

        Despite my strongly held beliefs, I’ve been forced to even have Republicans as clients.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    You know what? If they want to carve out a special exemption for cake bakers so that they can refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings, I am okay with that as long as they are required to make it perfectly clear that they do discriminate (I’m thinking something like the warnings on the cigarette packs on all their packaging and ads, and a big sign in their stores).

    But we all know it’s not going to stop at fucking cakes.

    • Ninja0980

      That is the thing.
      They will start with the cakes and then go to employment, housing and medical care.

      • Christian1234567

        All of that is already legal in most states. The majority of U.S. states do not have any civil rights protections for sexual orientation or gender identity. Thus, LGBT people can be fired, denied non-emergency medical care, be fired, denied housing, kicked out of public accommodations/denied services, etc.

      • Scotty Pressley

        You know just as well as most Christians that employment, housing, and medical care are far more general than a gay wedding. That level of discrimination would not happen, and even the LDS Church fights for equal rights for employment, housing, etc for members of the LGBTQ community.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Get’s scary when doctors and first responders join the bigoted cake bakers.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      The Court would have to develop a theory of ‘de minimis discrimination’ (or something equally as fanciful), to reach such a conclusion. (Although the California Supreme Court did create a carve-out in the Marriage Cases, basically by judicial fiat.)

    • Butch

      What I don’t get: every business runs into certain clients they’d like to send elsewhere. Unless you’re in retail where your customer just walks in the door and you can’t do anything about it, you’ve learned ways to decline to help: you open your calendar, furrow your brow for a moment and then announce in your most mournful tones that you’re just completely booked that week and can’t help….or you provide a ridiculous estimate with a completion date sometime in the next millennium, knowing they won’t accept…..or something along those lines. Why bring on the trouble of announcing that you’re doing it because you’re anti-gay?

      • Colonel Panic.

        Because they are proud of what they are doing?

        • Ross

          Yep. It makes them feel superior.

          • Butch

            I guess so….maybe it’s cool to be a martyr, but it seems a dumb way to run a business.

          • Chucktech

            That’s why you’d never see an atheist business pulling anything that resembles this shit.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        This just happened in Spain a couple days ago, and the business owner admitted it in an article. The client in this case was an ultraconservative group that wanted to hire a company that flies small planes with banners. They wanted to fly the planes over all the most popular beaches with anti-gay messages like “They’re coming for your children!” The business owner, in the interview, admitted that he didn’t like their messages and that none of his employees wanted to fly the banners when he asked them about it, so he gave them an astronomical estimate for how much it would cost, and they said they would take their business elsewhere.

    • Dagoril

      I am not ok with overturning over a thousand years of public accommodations precedent (including English Common Law). These fuckers need to get over it or get sued, over and over again.

    • Gerry Fisher

      I do like the idea of them having to post it in a publicly viewable space. And I want the discussion to include that religious objections to desegregation–lunch counters, water fountains, buses, and serving mixed race couples–were considered to be irrelevant but we’re deciding to honor them when it comes to the Gheys.

    • AtticusP

      I already boycott any business that displays that stupid Christian fish.

      Just put that fish on your door, and you won’t ever have to worry about getting any of my dollars.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Except it’s NATURE’s fish, not the Christains. Just like it’s Nature’s rainbow. 🙂

        • Chucktech

          Christers co-opted it, they reap the scorn it spawns.

      • netxtown

        same here. fish no mo.

      • grindstone

        The only business to rip me off to the extent that I had to get people involved and got half of my money back because they couldn’t even begin to justify a $1,600 invoice? Overtly Christian plumber who asked me when he got out of his truck: “Do you know Jesus Christ? Will I see you in heaven??” I didn’t realize the correct answer was, “Not if I see you first, bozo.”

        Never again.

      • Lars Littlefield

        True. The Jesus fish keeps me from doing business with the assholes. And the minute anyone dare say “All christians aren’t like that.” I’m prepared to rub their fucking face in it. Go ahead. Just try me.

    • Mark

      And I want to be able to refuse service to the damn christians.

  • Mark

    When the Mormons come to my door, I politely scream “Go fuck yourselves, you vile motherfuckers! And get the fuck off my fucking porch!”

    • Gustav2

      Whenever they come to our door I scream over my shoulder:

      “Ethel, get me my shotgun!”

    • Dagoril

      Yeah I hear ya. I used to be nice to them. And then Prop 8 happened. Not any more. They get the full force of my anger and the expletives are most certainly NOT deleted.

    • Ross

      I had a friend. She was brilliant. And a world-class passive-agressive.

      She would politely invite them in.

      She would patiently listen to them proselytize.

      Then she would spend the next hour, with calm deliberation, taking part everything they said. I mean, utter annihilation.

      Later, she would tell me: “I just love watching their little heads explode.”

      • FAEN

        Atta girl.

  • David Brian Holt

    If a bakery refused to serve a Mormon wedding these people would be screaming bloody murder.

    • Ross

      Yep.

    • Randolph Finder

      Most mormon weddings are where you can’t guarantee the baker would even be able to go.

    • Scotty Pressley

      Nope. We’d take our business somewhere else, which is what gays need to learn to do.

      • David Brian Holt

        That’s great to hear! Let’s work together to remove religion from public accommodation discrimination laws! Together we can get it done! 🙂

        • Scotty Pressley

          Or remove forced participation of people of faith from a celebration of gay sex and let them honor their God instead of immoral lifestyle choices.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Do they still think human rights is a popularity contest? The side with the most briefs wins?

    • Jonathan Smith

      yes

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        Jonathan, your rambling reply is confusing to me. Can you be a bit more concise?

        • Jonathan Smith

          they actually think human rights IS a popularity contest
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfkkMHieqcI

          • Skokieguy [Larry]

            Sadly, I know. All the voter referendums and ballot initiatives… It was of course simply to use fear and emotion to get the fundies to the polls, but it worked in making them think rights are subject to a popular vote.

    • The_Wretched

      It’s a form of special pleading – see all we ‘christians’ want this thing so give it to us.

  • paganguy

    The most ironic part of this is that not long ago the LDS church would have howled at people refusing to serve them because they were bigamists and not-real-Christians. Oh, and racists.

  • safari

    Sarah’s press screacher is about to start

    • Bluto

      is there a link handy?

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      “I’m sorry I haven’t had any conversations with the President about anything that would normally be related to the office of the President.”

      There. I saved everyone a lot of time adjusted the color and contrast on their screens.

  • Dagoril

    Fucking Mormoms AGAIN.

  • SoCalGal20
  • Bluto

    LGTB really need to organize as a church. Apparently you can make up any shit you want to & be legit.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/018ef50e2cacacb7145cd459163960ef605700ed86b87bf422f11bd21e722969.jpg

  • SoCalGal20

    Always with the Mormons…

  • Joseph Miceli

    It seems that my patience isn’t what it used to be. When I see these posts my first reaction these days is …more often than not…a heartfelt “FUCK YOU.” Hardly original but always apropos when confronting bigotry. I fail to see where any of these pricks has any standing to contribute their amicus to these proceedings. By the way, hasn’t the Mormon church been twisting itself in knots trying to prove itself as non-threatening to the gays…or when did that pretense go out the window? I would ask the same of the Log Cabin quislings as pertains to their party’s supposed support of gay rights.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      That’s the thing about amicus briefs–no standing required

  • Tawreos

    They can never get enough hate can they? Fuck these homophobic assholes!

  • Reality.Bites

    OT: And spoiler for The Amazing Race Canada.

    For the second consecutive year, TARCA has been won by an LGBT dating couple. This time Sam and Paul, from Toronto.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5fbtYEmdbg&feature=youtu.be

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDRsWEa-t6I

  • another_steve

    There are good Mormons – Mormons who mean no harm to anyone – but traditional Mormon theology is very meshuga (Yiddish: odd, bizarre).

    Fortify yourself with alcohol and go visit a website that describes orthodox Mormon theology.

  • Adam Stevens

    Silly little assholes.

  • Ken M

    My but this stinks of CA and Prop 8. The Mormons paid for 1/2 the funding, $40 million to stop same sex marriage. We are not their favorite group. Especially to love.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Most of their fantasy fiction revolves around heterosexual marriage. And making babies. Much easier to create followers than to convert them.

  • AtticusP

    If Jesus Christ had actually existed, he would be so disgusted with these asshole followers of his.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb58fc036899434077ac08e474e8f6c245c80564db2ddde46b2ffcde6f3d217b.jpg

    • Uncle Mark

      Exactly, according their own sacred tome, their Messiah mingled with prostitutes, lowly Samaritans, tax collectors, lepers, the poor, performed a miracle for an occupying Roman centurion, and even spoke to women in broad dayligh…and this was the Son of God. By contrast these fuckers are lowly bakers; they need to get over themselves

  • safari
    • barrixines

      I bet Mummy feels a right fool now for pulling a gun in Walmart for Johnny’s notepad now he’s been shot dead and won’t get to use it.

    • Dagoril

      “Now is not the time to discuss gun violence…”

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    When is Andrew Christian going to come out with a line of “Amicus Briefs”? It would have a specially designed pouch to look like there’s a lot of substance, but the person knows its all really bullshit.

  • What if I want the right to discriminate against bigoted Christians in the name of my inclusive, universal, and science-supporting faith?

    • Phillip in L.A.

      So long as you discriminate equally against all bigoted religions (shouldn’t be difficult), you should be in the clear, BeccaM! 🙂

      • I’d want to be more specific. There are plenty of non-bigoted Christians out there in all the sects. Same with all the other religions, too.

        Tit for tat, y’know? “Oh, you wanted me to do floral arrangements for your wedding. How do you feel about gay people? Think they’re all going to hell just for being gay? Yes? Then no flowers for you.”

    • Chucktech

      Why would you deliberately turn away money? If I had a business where I could fleece christians I’d happily say, “Will that be cash, check, or charge?”

      “You just have yersef a blessed day. Hurry back, now, y’hear?”

      • Gretchen

        Perhaps we could add a “You are a jerk surcharge.” A bigot tax if you will.

  • Tomcat

    We are not bigots but you get no cake from us because god you know god said some shit.

  • Lazycrockett
  • DisqusD37

    Just try denying us basic rights as Americans and we’ll make Stonewall look like a Sunday school class.

  • Natty Enquirer

    I don’t see how the courts can carve out a religious exemption solely for sexual orientation. Or any one attribute. That’s elevating the principles of one religious group over the beliefs of everyone else, which is establishment of religion per se. The only choice is to permit discrimination of any kind, which means a wholesale return to the pre-civil rights era.

    • The Supreme Court has made a number of politically-motivated boneheaded decisions since the country was founded, usually either by ignoring the plain language and intent of the Constitution itself, setting aside any concept of justice, or simply ignoring the obvious and predicted results of the decision.

      Overturning parts of the Voting Rights Act led inevitably to racially-targeted voter suppression.

      Overturning campaign finance laws in the Citizens United case led inevitably to an explosion of ‘dark’ money and overt corruption, and likely aided Russia in subverting our last election.

      Plessy v Ferguson explicitly set up 60 years of segregation as perfectly legal, despite the 14th Amendment. Dred Scott v Sanford denied U.S. citizenship to all people of African ancestry. Korematsu upheld the interment of ethnic Japanese U.S. citizens during WW2.

      And then there was Bush v. Gore, where five justices acting with obvious partisan intent interfered with Florida’s recount and basically decided the election. In fact, what should have happened was if Florida was unable to meet the Constitutionally- and legislatively-mandated deadline for submitting their certified results, the electoral votes ought to have been disqualified. (Yes, I’m aware due to the count this would’ve thrown the election to the House, which then would’ve picked Dubya despite the popular vote results, but that’s what the Constitution plainly says should’ve happened.)

      Again, basically the problem is the court consists of human beings who will indeed often let their own biases and preferences determine the outcomes. If there are 5 homophobes on the court, this could easily be upheld.

      • The_Wretched

        Exactly so.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Law is manipulable–that is the secret lawyers don’t want everyone to know!

    • Phillip in L.A.

      “I don’t see how the courts can carve out a religious exemption solely for sexual orientation.”

      If the judges have any integrity, they cannot and must not! (especially after finding that sexual orientation was a “suspect classification” requiring the application of “strict scrutiny” analysis under California constitutional law).

      However, having said that, there are plenty of cases where judges have made grotesque mistakes, including the cases named by BeccaM (although I believe the final count in Bush v. Gore was actually closer to 7-2, if you count the concurrences, iirc), and also, Strauss v. Horton (2009) 46 Cal.4th 364 [93 Cal.Rptr.3d 591; 207 P.3d 48] (upholding Proposition 8 against a strict-scrutiny challenge because a “carveout for marriage” was appropriate for some unexplained reason), arguably made moot by, Hollingsworth v. Perry (2013) 570 U.S. ___ [133 S.Ct. 2652].

  • itsjoe618

    I can’t be the only one that finds it disturbing that state senators from one state seek to interfere and meddle with another state’s anti-discrimination law. It’s sort of like the case in TN when a disturbing number of representatives sought to intervene in a divorce of a lesbian couple there, because reasons! Don’t these politicians have enough to do other than butting into court cases where they have no business or standing to do so? Rhetorical question, of course.

    • Chucktech

      Christian busy bodies sticking their proboscis where it’s unwelcome and inappropriate. It’s very christian, you see.

  • Christopher

    I wanna buff his head with 60 grit sandpaper.

    If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06a9dbf9d1bb7673ace8a2fb73309bb57a924db17e042c5566917fa46e68549e.gif

  • Ninja0980

    In a couple of weeks, the hubby and I will be visiting relatives in Upstate NY to look at fall leaves.
    Where they live there is only one bakery (along with other stores) available unless you drive a half hour from their place.
    If the weather is snowy or icy you can add anywhere from 10-20 minutes to that trip.
    And if you don’t have a car, forget it.
    So when the bigots say just go to another bakery/business, that isn’t always easy or even possible.
    Not to mention they don’t have any answer for what a same sex couple should do if the other places they go to refuse service as well.

    • Beagle

      Sounds like where I lived as a tot (rural Wisconsin). You had to drive to get to anything resembling a business, unless you count the informal part-time home-based businesses people might run to make a couple extra dollars. (My father sharpened saws. A neighbor — which means about 1/4 mile away — cut hair.) No public transportation, unless you count the school bus. About five miles to the town line. Probably multiple bakeries in town — but if one bakery turned away “those people,” I’d be willing to bet that other bakeries might do the same — not like, say, the “Germans’ bakery” and the “Norwegians’ bakery” and the “Catholic bakery” and so on.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, sounds like where my dad grew up to a T.
        I can just hear him and Grandpa saying we walked and we liked it!

        • Beagle

          Right. And by 5th it 6th grade, it wasn’t that big a deal to bike 5 miles to my best friend’s house.

  • Gigi

    “You can safely assume you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” — Anne Lamott

    • JWC

      If that is true then Ergo Gawd is an asshole??

      • Gigi

        Pretty much.

        “This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

        (1 Samuel 15:2-3)

  • JWC

    What was it someone once said about cutting your nose off to spite your face

  • FAEN
  • Dirk Prophet

    Man with a God Hates Gays t shirt on walks into a gay bar and orders a drink.
    He gets his damn drink.

  • MB
  • TheManicMechanic

    Because Mormons are gullible and stupid.

    And LOL at Joseph Smith and the hat.

  • Palmer

    The new, kinder, gentler Mormon Church.

  • anne marie in philly

    the case is quite simple: serve everyone or get the fuck outta business. you don’t get to pick and choose the customers. now imagine if an atheist refused service to an xstain…OMB, the screaming and yelling! yet it’s OK for the xstains to refuse service to a gay/black/jewish/muslim/etc. person? WRONG!

  • M Jackson

    “mutual fairness”? WTF do we get from their side? Just more claptrap to try and disguise their entrenched religious bigotry.

  • Gene Perry

    what do you expect from a “church” that believes in talking salamanders and magic underwear.

  • Pip

    You know. I’m pretty tired of these rightist elites pushing their straight agenda on me.

  • j.martindale

    Do you remember how the New Testament repeatedly showed Jesus trying to make the Romans pass laws controlling the sex lives of the citizens? Neither do I.

    • kat

      I don’t regard Jesus as anything other than a long-term Hebrew, so I don’t care what he is alleged to have said or done.

  • rextrek1

    I wouldn’t shit in UTAH let alone ever go there….

  • Gretchen

    I’m starting to think we have been looking at this all wrong. I’m not LGBTQ, so feel free to ignore me or actively tell me to mind my own business, but maybe we should just go with calling it a religion. I’m not sure what the drawbacks (feel free to educate me) would be, but the benefits are fairly obvious. Maybe we could just file it as a tenet of some other umbrella. The holy church of holes or something…. I obviously am not a poet, marketing specialists, or sensible person, so someone else probably needs to work on the name. I think we could enshrine a bunch of liberal platforms. We believe in safe, sane, consensual sex with partner(s) of your choice, full equality regardless of race, gender, sex, orientation, etc.
    We believe all people have the right to bodily autonomy and that healthcare is a right not a privilege. We believe the only barrier to getting cake and flowers is being mean and even then you can have them if you pay full price.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Honestly, I can’t see any drawbacks right now! Thank you for commenting, Gretchen–your views are very welcome, without regard to your sexual orientation.

      • Gretchen

        Thank you. I really enjoy being part of the JMG community. It’s so nice to be able to share my thoughts with such a great group of people.

  • religion is insane

    It just proves that regardless how Mormon prapoganda shows, they will be LGBT’s nemesis.

  • BearEyes

    So Lee will also look for compromise when another religious bakery refuses to serve Mormons?

  • leastyebejudged

    Mormons and Mormonism showing it’s true colors.

    Never trust a Mormon.

    • fuzzybits

      One of our roommates passed in 1983 of aids and his Mormon family told everyone he had cancer.

    • JWC

      they and Scientologist are cults

  • Lars Littlefield

    Yup. We’re blowing chunks about this, too.

  • charemor

    Why is it always bakes and florists? You don’t see videographers, musicians, DJs, limousine chauffeurs, or catering hall managers throwing hissy fits about their “deeply held religious beliefs”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ede1f966d86b3c33927fec0a0f146d9e7416b97f81fa08b9a6f8b28145ca22d9.jpg

  • dustin fibers

    shocked, Shocked, SHOCKED, I SAY!

  • Todd

    The guy lost 40 % of he business. I hope he loses more and never gets it back

  • coram nobis

    More on the case, by way of a 1960s civil rights case called Piggie Park Enterprises:

    “The free exercise of one’s beliefs,” the trial court explained, “as distinguished from the absolute right to a belief, is subject to regulation when religious acts require accommodation to a society. Undoubtedly, [the restaurant owner] has a constitutional right to espouse the religious beliefs of his own choosing; however, he does not have the absolute right to exercise and practice such beliefs in utter disregard of the clear constitutional rights of other citizens.”

    (h/t Scotusblog symposium)
    http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/09/symposium-discrimination-not-fundamental-american-value/

    Also:

    Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be ‘perceived as favoring one religion over another,’ the very ‘risk the [Constitution’s] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude.
    — RBG, Hobby Lobby dissent

  • coram nobis

    In a way, it’s a backdoor, partial invalidation of Obergefell and Windsor. The right to marry becomes moot if it becomes a pretext for discrimination willy-nilly by any business or any petty official.

    SCOTUSBLOG subpage on the case, with commentary, briefs and filings as they come in:

    http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/masterpiece-cakeshop-ltd-v-colorado-civil-rights-commn/

  • -M-

    There’s no religious liberty for a business to ignore nondiscrimination laws. LGBT rights are a specific case of religious freedom, not something different to be weighed against it. There’s no weighing a person’s right not to be discriminated against versus others’ desire to discriminate against them for having a difference in religious opinion.

  • MBear

    Fuck the mormons

    • Scotty Pressley

      You wish.

  • andrew

    Would the Mormon Church support a Christian baker who refused to bake a cake celebrating a Mormon’s faith because “real” Christians believe that Joseph Smith’s religion is a cult and offensive in the sight of their God?

  • JCF
  • Paul

    Do you think there’s a way to bring about protections for LGBT people via the backdoor?

    Freely discriminate against protected classes but give the reason as ‘they are hetrosexual’. Eventually someone will want to take you to court about it and argue that sexual orientation should be a protected class as well.

    I suspect they’d try and make only hetrosexuality a protected class though.

  • Scotty Pressley

    Homosexual marriage and living a gay lifestyle is a choice. Being gay is not a choice, but engaging in homosexual activities is. Radical LGBTQ imperialists trying to shut down businesses because their owners refuse to allow their talents to extol and glorify the gods of Sodom and Gomorrah is more liberal pig propaganda from a sexually immoral populous of radical left-wing extremists. Christians should never and will never put the will of mortal men over the will of God. The imperialists members of the LGBTQ community can expect nothing less. The growing hatred of gays toward Christians in regards to gay marriage and religious intolerance will only go to further create a chasm that will lead to more Matthew Shepherd slayings and Pulse Night Club shootings. Nobody wants that, but when your government literally steals your way of life the way the lesbian sluts, Laurel and Rachel-Bowman Cryer, did to the couple from Oregon by stealing their business and $135,000, you’re basically asking for retaliation. I hate that it has to be that way. Instead of using businesses that fully recognize LGBTQ marriages from the beginning, you have imperialists members of gay America trying to be a victim finding reason to destroy someone else for essentially rejecting the gay person’s chosen lifestyle. I would never use an atheist cake maker to make a Christian-themed cake for Christmas, so why would a homosexual want someone, who rejects their marriage, want a wedding cake made by someone who couldn’t put their heart and soul into the creation?

  • Scotty Pressley

    I pray to God faith wins in this case, but we live in a time where evil is taken for good and wickedness will spread like a wild fire. Christians cannot and would not be surprised if the Supreme Court chose to favor religious intolerance over religious freedom, which is what this case is about.