Senate Kills Rand Paul’s War Powers Repeal Bid

Politico reports:

The Senate Wednesday scuttled a proposal by Sen. Rand Paul to repeal the war authorizations that underpin the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as military action in a slew of other countries.

The vote was 61 to 36 to table — or kill — Paul’s amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act. The Kentucky Republican’s proposal would have repealed both the 2001 and 2002 authorizations for the use of military force six months after the bill becomes law, giving lawmakers a tight window to pass a new framework for U.S. military operations overseas.

In a floor speech Tuesday, Paul torched his fellow lawmakers for refusing to vote to authorize the myriad military actions the U.S. has engaged in since the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001.

“I don’t think that anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty believes that these authorizations from 16 years ago and 14 years ago … authorized war in seven different countries,” Paul said.

  • Lazycrockett

    and who didn’t see that coming.

  • leastyebejudged

    What this would have accomplished is a crack in the military-industrial complex.

    What it reveals is the reality of the USA – that it needs to END.

    • David L. Caster

      That sentence can be read in two ways.

      • leastyebejudged

        It can probably be read several ways. Let me make myself perfectly clear.

        END THE USA.

        • David L. Caster

          Well, let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

          End the military industrial complex; reform defense procurement; avoid entanglements that result in violent conflict; take care of the people that live here; use military force only as a last resort and to defend the US itself and it’s allies from direct attack.

      • jerry
        • David L. Caster

          Well, that is a good one of those.

  • bkmn

    One of the few good things he has worked on

  • Paula

    The U.S. would have been able to carry out pre-emptive strikes on its allies.
    Just in case!

  • Tomcat

    Wars make good business, don’t fuck with a moneymaker Paul.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    A little part of me is dying inside that I’m agreeing with Rand Paul.

    Does everyone remember when Obama was criticized for his actions on (can’t remember which military action) and he said to Congress to vote on a war resolution? I do remember that no only did they not vote, they took fall recess early and spent their vacation time continuing to criticize him.

    • another_steve

      Now that there’s a psychotic sexual predator criminal in the White House, it’s more important than ever that Congress have strict authorization powers when it comes to committing American troops anywhere in the world.

    • John30013

      It was Syria–and specifically the GOP complaint that Obama didn’t send in
      US troops after Assad used chemical weapons on rebel forces.

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        Than you John. And Obama (without Congress’ help or vote) negotiated Syria disposing of chemical weapons without a shop being fired.

    • CottonBlimp

      Look at how quickly conservatives changed their mind about war in Syria as soon as they were given new orders. No matter what Obama did in Syria, the GOP were planning to spin it against him. Forcing Congress to vote on it would mean that there was an established record on where the GOP stood on the war, so they couldn’t change their position when it’s convenient.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    He’s right. I hate to say it but he’s right.

  • PickyPecker
  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    My photoshop skills aren’t good, but Paul would be a reasonably attractive man with a shaved head, yes?

    • TuuxKabin

      Uh huh.

    • charemor

      No, no and no!

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      During the early Republican debates, I remember there was a TV station that was doing a test group of millenials at a pub somewhere, and a couple of the (straight) women in the test group said that they were surprised that they found Rand Paul kind of sexy.

    • MBear

      No

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    I first read it as, Senate kills Rand Paul’s Wig.”

    • ted-

      You’re not the only one 🙂

    • jerry

      They need to…keeps running all over the place and isn’t well potty trained.

    • MT YVR

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0511100/

      Hell’s Toupee. With the most hilariously bad F/X’d toupee.

      https://youtu.be/sZXE7oSJmF8?t=1568

      • kelven

        You just reminded me of way back when I was working as an extra. My portrayal of an urban legend. Do I make a convincing heterosexual?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSBhiAzmi8

        • MT YVR

          Which one were you?!!

          • kelven

            The husband that tastes the rat.

          • MT YVR

            Then yes. You were very straight.

            lol It’s like asking a nun if a porn is accurate. I’d know? 😛

            But now we know what you look like. Yay! Stalking! 😉

        • Phillip in L.A.

          How would I know what a heterosexual looks like?

        • Snarkaholic

          You are quite a handsome chap.

      • Danieruw
  • The_Wretched

    He’s right on this one. It doens’t make sense to say everything is the same as it was a decade and a half ago. They should work on new authorizations that are scope and time limited.

    • Nic Peterson

      Broken clocks, my friend.

  • It must be that time of the month when I happen to agree entirely with something Rand Paul says & supports.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Most of the senators that voted with Paul were Democrats, with a handful of Republicans, according to Politico. I can’t find the vote roll call anywhere, though.

      • marshlc

        With that count, though, some Democrats must have voted against the bill. Why?

        • CottonBlimp

          Probably either because they’re chickenshits afraid of the “Candidate X is antiwar!” narrative on FOX, or simply because they’d like future Democratic presidents to take advantage of this blank check for war like Obama did.

  • another_steve

    Go away, Rand Paul.

    Even when you’re right, you’re an embarrassment to the human race.

  • Tomcat

    War on Terror has never been declared over, so everything is still carried out under that declaration, no matter where it is.

    • Congress never authorized a formal declaration of war against that particular tactic of asymmetric warfare.

      • Lazycrockett

        Congress can take the credit when things go right, but blame the president when things go south. Congress likes it that way.

        • Girlgoon

          And vice versa with the president blaming congress

    • thatotherjean

      The War on Terror will never be over. The harder we fight it, the more terrorists we make. How can we fight a war on ideas? It’s like fighting ghosts–that is what diplomacy is for. When we get “terrorists” pared down to specific groups, then we can, if diplomacy doesn’t work, find military solutions, maybe.

  • Michael R
  • fuzzybits

    We’re always at war.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      They were all started because war = money. Once entrenched it became more and more difficult to withdraw without leaving everything worse than when we came.

      • JWC

        Right or wrong then but WW2 did get America out of a depression Not saying here that war is good bussiness I will leave that to the GOP to rationalize but it did work…..then

        • Mikey

          but the US’s participation in [email protected] – or WW2 as most other people call it 😉 – came years after the actual beginning of the conflict, and was in no way, shape, or form instigated by any action by the US gov’t.

          • JWC

            There is one debatible point in that and it was Pearl Harbour

          • Mikey

            I’m not sure how it’s “debatable”.
            The US did not start that fight, Japan did.

            The actual world war had been going on officially since 1939 (although many conflicts had been going on for a few years before that and simply came to a head at that point).

            The US didn’t join the fight until 1941, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

            Let’s not forget that the US turned away the liner St.Louis and its 900+ Jewish refugee passengers in 1939, all of them fleeing the [email protected] pogroms.

          • JWC

            3 stories come into play here Roosevelt did not want the war with Europe but he did everything th assist His Lend Lease program Escorted them across the Atlantic Pearl harbour (Story 2) turned out to be his chance to enter the war and story 3 At that time the Jewish question was not even close to being settled

          • Mikey

            I’m trying to understand how what you answered contradicts anything I originally posted.
            Colour me perplexed.
            🙂

          • JWC

            Fire away try again

          • Mikey

            I’m afraid you’re the only one who’s in a position to clear up any misunderstanding here.

            Are you saying that the US precipitated the events of Pearl Harbor?

            My initial response was basically that while WW2 may have been good for the economy, unlike most of the conflicts in which the US has found itself engaged since that time, WW2 was not started by the US.

            That was really all I was saying. I even added the detail that the US couldn’t have started the conflict as they did not get involved until the war had already been going for a number of years.

          • JWC

            no silly man but they had advanced intel and did nothing because they knew it bwas anh openning

          • Mikey

            hmm, I’ve read that as well, but there’s debate over whether it is true or not.
            it’s certainly logical. it would have been the perfect event to precipitate America’s entrance into the war.

            but I was still just saying that the 2nd world war wasn’t actually started by the US, unlike Iraq, or Syria, or Vietnam, or Korea, or….

          • JWC

            It is also said of 9/11

          • Mikey

            yeah, but the 9/11 theories are silly, so not even worth discussing.

        • stevenj

          The fact is…war is good business. I’m afraid the US has fallen so deep into this particular money making pit that there’s no way out. The last president to try to stop this lost his life in Dallas – he lost his life for more than that but wanting “to break the CIA into a thousand pieces” and issuing a National Security Action Memo in 1963 to get our troops out of Vietnam put the Defense establishment and the “powers that be” on notice that their teat was going to get a lot drier. Eisenhower warned us…..

      • fuzzybits

        Yea,and the whole concept of owning land.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Hate to agree with the little snot, but he’s correct.

    • bambinoitaliano

      The ship is sinking but he decide to go around the vessel to change the washers of the taps.

  • JWC

    Anothe rGOP Lack luster who’s 15 mins of fame has dissolved

  • Ninja0980

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    • Mikey

      I have a broken digital clock.. let me tell you, it is NEVER right. unless the dark hole of despair that is its lifeless LED display represents the present state of the world?

  • Sam_Handwich

    what’s that thing on his head?

    someone fetch the broom!

    • Girlgoon

      Colonel Sanders had the same thing, must be a Kentucky thing.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Itsy bitsy spider went up the blubbering clown…..

    • Cuberly

      ….the shadow cast from his 18yo self?

  • safari

    O/T: From Kid Rock last night

    “And why these days is everything so gay? Gay rights. Transgender this and that. I say let gay folks get married if they want and I’m not even close to a death trap.

    “But things shouldn’t be this complicated. And, no, you don’t get to choose, because whatever you have between your legs should determine the bathroom that you use.”

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/13/kid-rock-opens-senate-bid-with-anti-lgbt-rant/

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      So, he uses the indeterminate room, I’ve not seen one of those.

    • Cuberly

      “I say let gay folks get married if they want and I’m not even close to a death trap.”

      Anyone have a “Kid Rock” to english dictionary on them?

      WTF does that last part mean?

    • Treant

      Is there a “Too Small To Tell” bathroom that he uses?

    • another_steve

      When you take someone who’s not qualified or able to do anything in life of meaning or value and throw millions of dollars their way, this is what you get.

      This “Kid Rock” thing is what you get.

      • William

        Your example also can result in a Donald Trump.

        • another_steve

          Donald Trump is very good at what he does. I’m not talking about being “presidential” here. He’s not a politician and no one should expect him to be that.

          He never really expected to win last November. His run was a PR stunt designed to increase the marketability of his and his children’s holdings.

          Donald Trump understands what the masses want. What the unwashed masses want.

          He’s expert at pulling their strings. At saying what they want to hear.

          • William

            He was an expert in that he had a massive amount of help from Russia.

          • Tread

            True, but he was an expert at playing into the low- to no-information voters ears’. He knew exactly what to say and how to cajole them into becoming his cult. The idiocracy in America wants to hate other people, because they haven’t gotten what they want out of life and want to take it out on those who have.

    • Dagoril

      It isn’t complicated. Let the trans person pee in the bathroom they feel most comfortable in. It’s not like Trans Folks are running around with machetes and machine guns scaring the crap out of everyone in the bathroom. They just want to pee in peace.

    • Girlgoon

      @Kid rock and why are you so redneck, white trash, aren’t you from LA ?

    • William

      This twatwaddle is 46 years old. The time has passed to be calling him ‘Kid’.
      He looks like a total douche anyway.

      Now get off my lawn!

      • Rex

        Douche Rock it is from now on.

        • William

          Make it so!

      • safari

        His name is Robert Ritchie.

        • William

          Still sounds like Douche.

        • Tread

          Sounds like “His name was Robert Paulson,” from Fight Club.

  • Jonathan Smith

    setting himself up for another failed presidential run?
    I mean,he did not really think a REPUBLICAN govt would TAKE war powers away from a Republican president?

    • bambinoitaliano

      I know his hair is so done with his political career and will soon be dropping out.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        zing!

  • Cuberly

    And DACA was an egregious overreach by the Obama Administration.

    Oh GOP, your kooky lack of accountability and scale is so…so…you.

  • Tulle Christensen

    “Senate Kills Rand Paul” can I stop reading there?

    • William

      It’s about time we had a happy news story.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/matwhi/status/907932061972889600
    O/T but I feel for LGBT people in Australia.
    So damn sick of people deciding whether we deserve rights or not and those who insist it isn’t demeaning to have total strangers vote on our rights.
    Like hell it isn’t.

    • safari

      Yup.

    • another_steve

      We had a similar “referendum” here in Maryland – in 2012.

      The bad news is as you describe – that people got to vote on whether others should have civil rights.

      The good news is that the good people of Maryland voted “yes.”

      • Paul

        Worse news for Australia is that a YES vote wouldn’t be legally binding. Parliament would still have to go through all the hurdles to legalize it.

        • another_steve

          Good point, Paul. Sad, that.

          Here in Maryland, our legislature had passed a marriage equality law and our governor at the time – Martin O’Malley (of “what you doin’ on that stage with Hillary and Bernie, boyfriend?” fame) – signed it into law.

          The monsters succeeded in getting it on the ballot the following November, as a referendum.

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    • justme

      and Amurikkan hate groups have been robo-calling and trying to scare…
      Australia need to close the door on this…
      It’s something they don’t need to import

      • William

        Australia shouldn’t allow foreigners to try to influence the vote.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          LOL, yes they should follow our example.

      • greenmanTN

        They should do all they can to block those calls and make a formal complaint to the US government.

        • justme

          They should file a law suit against them in the US courts
          a couple of hundred million should do..

    • Tomcat

      At least with that most people will just say why not it does not affect me in the least.

      • paganguy

        You have a much higher opinion of most people than I do.

  • justme

    Now Rand ..Why would you want to do this???
    Some Republican pResident will need this to cover their incompetence and incontinence in the future..

  • Girlgoon

    You’re outa’ line Paul, fat bastard Pentagon contractors and their shareholders will depend on these wars for their insane profits until we start a war with north Korea again.

    • MBear

      Shareholders aka most of congress

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    His hair looks nicer. Upgrade to genuine alpaca??

    • William

      His pubes finally grew in.

  • Silver Badger

    Ask a republican congress to stop war? What a supreme waste of time.

  • David Walker

    Keith Olbermann with the balls to take on those who lost their own…that is, the political/presidential press.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpz-8l4Dijc

    • Pip

      At least there’s one.

      I’m so sick of the media cutting president assclown slack. They’ve been doing it since the campaign trail. I’m looking at you CNN…

  • greenmanTN

    Basically they don’t want to have to vote for war and be left holding the flaming bag of shit.

  • rednekokie

    Of course they killed it — they make waaaay too much money on war.

  • fkevin
  • Christopher
  • Jacob

    The upside to weird a$$, self protecting libertarians. The downside is racism, homophobia, not giving a sh!t about the rest of the world, letting people starve, and on and on…

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Belli-bomb # 37!!! Go Dodgers!

  • Robincho

    Speaking of the Senata killing things, I wish the Senate would kill that fucking JheriCurl thing on his asinayn head…