Seattle Mayor Resigns Amid Child Sex Allegations

The Seattle Times reports:

Seattle Mayor Ed Murray resigned Tuesday, just hours after new allegations that he sexually abused a younger cousin decades ago in New York. Murray, a former Democratic state legislator elected mayor in 2013, said in a statement that he is resigning effective 5 p.m. Wednesday.

“While the allegations against me are not true, it is important that my personal issues do not affect the ability of our City government to conduct the public’s business,” Murray said in a statement. The Seattle Times reported Tuesday morning on allegations by Murray’s cousin, Joseph Dyer, 54, who has become the fifth man to publicly accuse Murray of sexual abuse.

Dyer says he was 13 when Murray forced him into sex when the two shared a bedroom at Dyer’s mother’s home in Medford, New York, in the mid-1970s. Dyer is the fifth man to publicly accuse Murray since April.

  • Todd20036

    What a dumb ass!

    The victims are brave. Glad they got this burden off of their chest. What a terrible secret to keep.

  • Lakeview Bob

    The religious wrong will have a field day with this.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Which is why we need to be clear and consistent. Our community will condemn Murray the same as we condemned what Josh Duggar did. They, on the other hand, will condemn Murray but are still defending Duggar. And thus they expose their hypocrisy for all the world to see. The emperor’s new clothes.

      • thom

        We’ll see…

      • thom

        I agree, btw. We should be swift to condemn Murray. Doesn’t look like that will happen. Hard to condemn allies… for example, I love Dan Savage and I love how quick he is to call out conservatives but has he made any statement of his own mayor and friend?

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      We won’t nominate him for President.

      • JCF

        You got that right!

    • No More GOP.

      While conveniently overlooking conservative nut Ted Nugent.

      • Sporkfighter

        Freddie Mercury is dead and Ted Nugent isn’t. What other proof could you need that God doesn’t care or isn’t there?

    • EastCoastJ

      and rightly so

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I hate child molesters so much! A lifelong family friend grew up to be, apparently, quite a serial child molester and part of a huge computer kiddie porn ring. I had absolutely no idea. His arrest came as a complete shock. Maybe the mayor will do the right thing and do what Eddie did, make bail, go home, and ingest cyanide.

    I’m gonna end it there so I don’t go off on a tirade.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      I just read the story at the link and I want to throw up!!!! Murray is also from Long Island, just like the family friend. I wonder if they knew each other? Shared kiddie porn together? Their ages would be close.

      I’m gonna throw up. I’m literally physically ill thinking about this.

    • Ernest Endevor

      You might read Perv to understand it better. It sure helped me.

    • Phil2u

      When I was in middle school, one of my Sunday School teachers, married with a son near my age, was abusing two boys in his neighborhood. It did not surface until they got to high school and told a counselor. When he was arrested they found mountains of child pornography in locked chests in his workshop. His wife had no idea and was traumatized. She moved with the son to another state where she had family and he went to prison. I always wondered if his own son had also been a victim.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        It is traumatizing. This is a person that was a big brother to me and my sister. Their family was like family today. In fact, to this day, my sister and I refer to his sister as our sister. When we learned about his arrest it was horrible. When we learned not just his history of abusing children, but the massing computer network of kiddie porn.

        yeah, i’m gonna puke. WHO THE FUCK HURTS A CHILD!

        • Phil2u

          My uncle was the police chief and took it upon himself to arrest him so he could see his face. The wife was my aunt and my mother’s hairdresser; she confided in them that she had absolutely no idea. It was a small town, as you see.

        • Phil2u

          Oh… yes, he was a Sunday School teacher. He also bragged about helping boys in his workshop to develop good woodworking skills for their boy scout projects and such. It was an awful scandal. Some other boys, also in high school, related that he had made them uncomfortable by asking them to come to the workshop but they had refused and avoided him.

      • Ninja0980

        At least they got justice.
        A Sunday speaker at our church and a Middle School guidance counselor abused several girls (why our church wouldn’t ordain him but would let him give Sunday lectures.)
        Of course, none of that came out until he died.
        One of the women said that it was the 70’s and who was going to take her word over a respected man like him?

    • vorpal 😼

      Agreed, mostly. I am all for innocent until proven guilty, so we should perhaps be cautious about coming to a conclusion until he is given a fair trial, but we should clearly denounce child molestation and statutory rape as a community in no uncertain terms.

      • Guest

        It’s amazing how easy it used to be, and in some places still is easy, for a child to lie about molestation and get away with it, as in, is 100% believed. And sometimes the accused do indeed ingest cyanide even when innocent. I know nothing about the mayor, but as a victim of such lies myself, and as someone who tried to end it anyway because I knew life would never be the same (it is not) I’d say never take the word of a child until it is investigated and backed up with something.

        • vorpal 😼

          Yes, agreed. We had a teacher in high school who was one of the best science teachers you could ever hope to have.

          He rightfully failed two girls that were horrible students, and they collaborated to accuse him of molesting them. Everybody knew it was a lie, as people overheard them talking about it. The teacher was humiliated and let go without hesitation and I have no idea what happened to him.

          Needless to say, those girls were not very popular after that point: everyone treated them like they were toxic waste. That didn’t do much, though, to clear the poor teacher’s name. I hope he was okay, but somehow, I have my doubts given the sensitivity of this matter and the tendency people have to frequently leap to the assumption that the accused is guilty.

          I am so very sorry that that happened to you :(.

          • NowVoyager

            Verifiable facts are essential to protect the accused in any kind of legal investigation. Some of you may be too young to remember the McMartin Preschool case, but I do. It started a panic of witch-hunts nationwide. Wave after wave of non-objective press reports, most seeking ratings bumps, fed the panic. Local and state prosecutors were accused of not doing their jobs and went out of their way to find their own “McMartin-like” Preschool case in their state or city in order to advance their political careers.

            In Robert Bolt’s screenplay for “A Man for All Seasons”, Sir Thomas More (soon to be executed by King Henry VIII for disagreeing about the King’s divorce and marriage to Anne Boleyn) says in conversation with his son-in-law the following which always stuck with me as a good principle to follow:

            Roper: “So now you’d give the Devil benefit of law!”

            Sir Thomas More: “Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

            Roper: “I’d cut down every law in England to do that!”

            Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country’s planted thick with laws from coast to coast — man’s laws, not God’s — and if you cut them down — and you’re just the man to do it — do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake.”

            I agree. Let the facts bear witness to and/or if any crime was committed, and do not subvert the truth to public opinion.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohteWYlMtyk

        • Pip

          I know false accusations happen in this world, and they anger me because it does make it harder for survivors to come forward. As someone who lived with years of abuse before my sister came forward and told my father of what was going on, then was raked over the coals by the very people who were supposed to protect me, harassed by his friends and family, called a liar by my own mother, over heard police in the next room after a very invasive examination laugh about my being upset at said examination, made to sit in court and look my abuser in the eyes as I told my story to a court room full of people, have my story plastered all over the local news papers… I can safely say that it can be just as hard for those who actually survive sexual abuse as it can be for those accused. Believe me, after counseling groups upon groups of girls, boys, women, and men over the years I can tell you that most accusers are not believed 100%. The actual percentage is staggering and can be disheartening.

          • zhera

            (((((Pip)))))

            What a horrible thing for them all to put you through! Did the abuser get punished in the end, at least?

            Stories like this makes me feel a tiny bit homocidal. People suck!

          • Pip

            Zhera, he did get punished in the end. Unfortunately, it took him abusing someone else first. His lawyers cut a deal with my case. He was given probation and an order to stay away from my family. I went to live with my dad while my sister stayed with our birth mother. I was in AR while they still lived in WA. Long story short the system and our birth mother failed to enforce any of the probation and he was back in their lives in months. No one warned us about this, so we were clueless. We found out about a year later he was abusing my sister. With this aligation and his “past behavior” he went to jail for ten years. Unfortunately, this is a common theme for these types of cases. No one wants to believe a child molester has been living under their noses this whole time. Luckily, my dad got us very good therapy, and I went on to counsel and help others who have gone through similar abuse and trials.

      • EastCoastJ

        who are YOU kidding ?

    • Todd20036

      Nothing wrong with tirades if you feel better afterwards.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    I did the math. If Dyer who is now 54 was 13 at the time, then Murray, now 62, would have been 21 at the time. 21-year-old with 13-year-old is not really okay.

  • HZ81

    Good. Now maybe he’ll take that next brave step and find a cliff.

  • Do Something Nice

    wow. Why do child abusers think they can run for office?

    • pleasebereasonable1

      Maybe I’ve got the entire scenario wrong (that these event all occurred when he himself was underage), but its possible that he viewed himself as a child and does not consider himself to be a child abuser.

  • thom

    I deleted my off topic threads about this from Ediths memorial posts. Thank you for covering this Joe

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Just sick. I’m no saint, but I’ve never forced anyone into sex- at any age.

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      And it’s just as well that the Mayor is moving on, in the public interest.

  • TheManicMechanic

    The conservastupids and religitards will crow loudly about this, just to drown out the screaming of the children they are abusing

    • -M-

      *religitrumps

    • Jeffrey

      And they will do so while fingering their own underage sisters.

    • thom

      This narrative doesnt help and isn’t true

      • TheManicMechanic

        Oh yeah? Just watch.

        • thom

          Of course anti gay people will spin this. But i dont think its to cover up their own abuse. Its because they hate gay people.
          Also, we crow whenever a conservative is accused, not because we are covering up but because we disagree wirh them

          • AJD

            No, it’s because they’re hypocrites.

          • thom

            When I call out conservatives for child abuse it’s not because if hypocrisy

          • TheManicMechanic

            It’s been shown so many times that those that scream the loudest against certain things are likely to be caught doing those things themselves. Rules for thee, but not for me, that sort of thing. The seething hypocrisy of the right makes it easy to heap on the schadenfreude when they are caught red handed.

    • Frostbite

      but it’s ok when it’s done in the name of jeebus!

      • thom

        Noone says that

        • Frostbite

          really? how many priests has the catholic church given up and sent off to jail?

    • prixator
    • EastCoastJ

      They SHOULD crow loudly about it. Just as those on the other side can crow when a conservative is busted.

  • Janice

    These are accusations. Please remember that we are innocent until proven guilty. At least, I hope that is still the law in this country.

    • j.martindale

      True. The fact that a relative would make this accusation may give it more credence than someone who is trying to sue for damages, though. But innocent until proven guilty.

      • Todd20036

        And the fact that you now have 5 separate, unrelated people making these accusations…

        yeah, officially, innocent until proven guilty.

        I ain’t buying it

  • thom

    I can’t help but be a bit miffed, i posted about this months ago. And got attacked pretty viciously and personally. Called called a Trump supporter, homophobic and told news site shouldn’t cover it until its proven in court.
    The accusers got beaten up here pretty badly because most have felonies and abuse drugs and one got attacked for being religious.

    • Ninja0980

      When his lawyer works for a very anti-LGBT group, that is going to happen.

      • thom

        It was bullshit deflection and anyone who bought it should be ashamed. The firm represented some anti trans matters. Law firms handle all kinds of cases. Any firm has some cases you can twist.
        It was an obvious smear from the mayor and all local newspapers *including the stranger called it out

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – A reminder that we still live in crazyland.

    https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/907384632227893249

    • Treant

      “Like, Daddy, is that lady from The Devil Wears Prada available? She’d be a stone col’ bitch in that spot! DADDY! I WANT HER! GET HER FOR ME!”

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Oh Joy, the Federal Reserve is at Kleptanka’s avaricious mercy.
      We are doomed.

    • Lawerence Collins

      Joy Ann Reid. Corporate media tool.

  • Ernest Endevor

    Now might be time to recommend again Perv by Jesse Bering – one of us. Not that I’m condoning the man’s behavior but 13 is not a child and I think it’s very important to resist the hysteria attached to this subject.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C74WX5M/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

    • Ninja0980

      13 isn’t an adult either and unless you are 13-16 yourself, no way in hell should you want anything to do a 13 year old.

      • Treant

        Hell, by age 16, 13-year-olds were below my league in terms of even bothering to associate with. They’re kids. I was already on the way to becoming a young adult.

        (And fucking a 40 year old, but that’s another story).

        • vorpal 😼

          It’s a fine line and quite subjective to the individual.

          When I was 25, I had a 16 year old who was very emotionally mature pursuing me sexually. I did end up playing with him, but it was completely safe (I insisted adamantly on that) and consensual and within the age of consent. In the end, I was the one who actually got hurt because I developed a romantic interest in him and he made it clear that nothing more than sex would come out of it. We put a stop to it and decided that being friends would be the best choice.

          A few months later, when I was 26, I had a 14 year old pursuing me sexually. The age of consent at the time WAS 14 (it has since been raised to 16, which I think is much more reasonable), and this kid was probably way more sexually experienced than I was, but the idea made my skin shiver and I said a firm no.

          However, I can say that when I was 16, I probably would not have been emotionally ready for any sort of relationship, with someone my age or older.

          • Treant

            Oh, at sixteen I was fucking him, not having a relationship. 🙂 And yeah, the guy in question had more romantic interest in me than I did in him.

          • vorpal 😼

            I can’t remember now (in wine mode) how the ancient Roman or Greek saying went that a woman would blah blah but a boy would break your heart. It’s kind of true, though :-).

      • j.martindale

        If I had found out about someone having sex of any kind with a child of mine who was 13, you can be assured I would have the law after them. I AM a parent.

      • Ernest Endevor

        I’m not advocating such behavior. 13 is an adolescent. I merely wish to point out that there is a widespread social hysteria/panic around the subject which doesn’t help anyone.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      When I was 15, I was able to get into bars, buy alcohol and cigarettes. Every now and then I would get carded, but usually it worked. I had been shaving since I was 10 and I was bigger than most boys my age (in fact, I was already the height I am now) and I used to wear old guy clothes like cardigans. I was also the first kid in my class that got body hair. But even I could not have persuaded anyone that I was an adult at 13.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Not an adult. An adolescent. But not a child.

    • thom

      Delete your account

    • Pip

      13 is a child, and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify child molestation.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Technically, no. 13 is a post-pubescent adolescent.

        • Pip

          Ernest, you’re just arguing simantics. 13 is a child. I recall being 13. I know it was decades ago, however I still remember it. I’s a very malleable age. Easily influenced and groomed by the adults in your life. Mentally maturing, but not mature enough to make the big decisions.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Not semantics at all. I see from another comment that you have personal experience so your pos is more informed than mine in that regard. But I’m talking medically; how psychologists regard this issue. I remember being 13 and I was masturbating and had my first sexual experiences with boys at school soon after. Also, the impulse of those attracted to a child of 6 and an adolescent of 13 are different. Since you do have personal experience I urge you to read Perv. You might well find it, if not therapeutic, then at least comforting.

          • Pip

            Ernest, I have both personal and academic experience with this. It is something debated within the community constantly. Yes, sexual awakening tends to typically happen between the ages of 9 and 13. However, the maturity levels to handle such an awakening just isn’t there for many at that age. It comes down to biology versus social conditioning. Some societies are of the opinion that 13 is the perfect age to marry, begin having children, and provide for a family. Other societies are of the opinion that 13 is barely old enough to make lunch choices. In those societies where 13 is seen as close enough to adulthood the children are raised with the expectations of becoming an adult at an early age. In those societies where 13 is still seen as a child they are not raised with the expectations that they become an adult until later on in their lives. Mental capability of any age should always be considered, instead of blanketed. And I’ll admit that I tend to blanket, and forget my own words above at times. In the US our society usually does not encourage or condition 13 year olds to become or take on the responsibilities of adults. That is why in most areas the age of consent is above 13.

  • TampaZeke

    OT – Just checking in. Still no power or internet. Didn’t want people to think something happened. Safe and sound. Looking forward to things getting back to normal. Driving me crazy having no news.

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    • Ninja0980

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    • bkmn

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    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Best wishes for normal life to return sooner rather than later.

    • thom

      So glad to hear!

    • Phil2u

      Hey Zeke. Were you in Tampa for “Alberto?” I was there on vacation…yeah, get over it. How did Irma compare?

      • Dwight Williamson

        I hope you are being flippant. This has been one of the largest storms to hit Florida ever. People in all the major cities and Georgia are affected. Don’t judge this storm or Zeke unless you were in Florida during Irma and her after effects. We have been scrambling for water ,fencing, bread ,tree damage cleanup and unless you want to help in some way don’t talk!

    • barrixines

      Delighted to hear you weren’t blown away.

    • yes b’y

      Glad you are ok

    • Publius

      Stay safe!

    • Silver Badger

      Glad you’re ok!

    • Hank

      Zeke, if you get this, I lost my internet during the storm in FTL. It is STILL out, thank you comcast. ATT and Verizon have waved charges for data overages. (I called them twice to confirm.) I am using my iPhone to have a Hotspot, which allows me to have wifi on my computer. If anyone sees this, pass it on to other Floridians, Georgians, etc.

      Glad you are safe, Zeke!!!

    • SoCalGal20

      Good to hear! I hope you get your power and internet back soon!

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      I’m sorry. Who are you again? 😄

      Actually, great to heat that you’re still okay, TampaZeke. And, I hope that there’s not to much damage at your home.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Hi TampaZeke! So good to hear from you, and find out you’re ok. Thank you for checking in with us at J.M.G.! oxoxo P.S. U r not interrupting.

    • zhera

      YAY!!!!

      I was worried about you! Hope the house still stands and the pets are fine and you and hubby can get back to normal life ASAP.

  • JCF

    May Justice Be Done.

    [Billbear, you may insert one of your “Justitia” statues below]

  • thom

    Lol at everyone saying we handle accusations differently than right wingers. He was accused for a year by 4 guys. He kept his job. Barely any national queer media reported on it. He shamelessly attacked his victims in the press. (Kudos to the Stranger for calling him out on that) and already we have commentors here saying “13 is not a child” and saying we shouldn’t judge until conviction.
    Face it. Child abuse happens everywhere and people aren’t well equiped with how to handle it, especially if its an ally/friend/family being accused

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      13 is undoubtedly below the age of consent in most if not all states.

      “Child” or not, 13 is thus illegal. Prospective romantic or sexual partners show each other respect by ensuring that everything is legal – and they know wherever the state legislature has drawn the line.

      If you think the age of consent in your state is too low, make your concerns known to your elected representatives in the legislature.

      Thank you.

      • Natty Enquirer

        “Prospective romantic or sexual partners show each other respect by ensuring that everything is legal.” In many places, now and in the past, this would mean no homo sex whatsoever.

        • LesbianTippingHabits


          At minimum, both partners are able to consent, not just legally, but morally.

    • Hue-Man

      SEATTLE: Mayor Ed Murray Drops Reelection Bid In Wake Of Decades-Old Abuse Allegations [VIDEO]
      http://www.joemygod.com/2017/05/09/seattle-mayor-ed-murray-drops-reelection-bid-wake-decades-old-abuse-allegations-video/

      • thom

        *barely 🙂
        U have to admit if this was a Republican mayor we would have seen at least 6 more posts.
        Btw, if you want to feel ill go and read the comments on that post

        • Hue-Man

          I don’t believe JMG has piled on the stories about, for example, Dennis Hastert; I count 5 stories from a simple search, each time with a new development in his case.

          • thom

            U may have a point. I think my frustration comes from so many commenters making this avout conservatives somehow.
            I’ll check myself

          • pleasebereasonable1

            I share your frustration, but will only add that the “conservatives’ many here have been exposed to are such horrible people I can’t really blame them for the tendency to to associate all that is bad with those despicable creatures.

  • boatboy_srq

    Grump.

    Let a GOPer have actual, proven child sex issues and s/he is eligible for rehabilitation by Gun-Totin’ Capitalist White Jeebus, and back at work in a matter of weeks. But a Dem facing the mere accusation and his/her career is done.

    EDIT: Murray’s tale is clearly long, and there’s definitely something there. But a) there’s as yet no conviction, and b) the interview is from a Fox affiliate, so while I’m expecting some ugly trial proceedings I’m still waiting for a legal decision before I pile on.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      There are now 5 accusers. That tends to make me think that where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

      • boatboy_srq

        I agree that there’s a lot of individual accusations, and that merits further scrutiny. What bugs me is that his career is over, and Josh Duggar is getting by just fine on Wingnut Welfare after being a whole lot creepier about his doings.

        • thom

          If your defense is… well a little known reality star once got away with molestation
          Well, you probably lost your argument

          • boatboy_srq

            My “defense” is that Conservatists routinely abuse the vulnerable around them, and after a few novenas (or whatever passes for that penance in FundiEvangelistan) they’re back on track. Catholic priests too numerous to name, Ralph Shortey, Eddie Long, Newt Gingrich…. all of them have taken advantage of those in their care, and how many of them have paid a meaningful price for that?

            I have no interest in seeing Murray skate if he is guilty. I DO have an interest in keeping Conservatists from skating, as they have regularly and spectacularly have accomplished. It’s not the crime, it’s the double standard, that rankles.

          • thom

            And liberals also routinly abuse. Its a worldwide epidemic. No social science has shown higher abuse based on ideology (with the exception being the hierchy of the Catholic Chirch)

      • j.martindale

        Unfortunately, the opposite could be true. A person of any wealth or power is vulnerable when accusations come forward to be open to extortion. Who knows?

      • How Murray responded to the lawsuit filed in April, besides the resurfacing of molestation accusations by teenager under his guardianship was bizarre. He could had denied it, but instead personally attack one of his former clients that he had legal guardianship over… I believed Murray until his cagey response to the lawsuit and the previous molestation allegations before he ran for Mayor.

        The resignation was a long time coming. He alienated too many factions that he needed to keep in power..

  • Hannukah Dreidl

    I worked on most of Ed’s campaigns from the early 90s through mayorship, after his mentor, Cal Anderson, died of HIV-related complications. I know him and his husband Michael fairly well (a previous partner was very close to Cal and Ed, living a few blocks from them on Seattle’s Capitol Hill gayborhood).

    I don’t have much to say about what appears to be a long-term pattern of Ed allegedly sexually abusing teenage boys. Obviously I have no direct knowledge of the details.

    What I want to say is: please support Michael, Ed’s husband.

    Even if all you can do is say Michael is standing by Ed as he vowed to do when they were married. Remember Hillary and Bill? Whatever Ed may have done, Michael doesn’t deserve to be punished for Ed’s actions. However Michael chooses to react (short of attacking Ed’s accusers) to this situation, please respect his decisions.

    • thom

      I don’t hold Michael accountable for Eds actions. Thank you for the reminder

      • Hannukah Dreidl

        People here and elsewhere have said some inappropriate and awful things, often sexist, about wives, mothers, children and siblings of child rapists.

        Reminding folks to keep their anger at the abuser, not their families/friends if they’re not implicated.

        • JCF

          See re Bill & Hillary.

        • MBear

          Its different for str8 people – they’re disgusting pervert pedophile terrorists

  • BeaverTales

    The gay mayor of PDX, Sam Adams, resigned from his job for the same kind of thing.

    I hate that these guys didn’t take the high road and apologize for what they did instead of crying “witchhunt!!!” That kind of cowardice is a Trump thing.

    • pleasebereasonable1

      Sam Adams never resigned. He served out his term and did not run again. I wouldn’t even say that it was the “same kind of thing”. Sam was 40 & “just kissed once” a 17 yr old – “waiting” until 18 to screw. It sounds like Ed was underage when these things occurred – maybe a difference w/o distinction – and coercion was involved. The twink Sam was doing was a willing participant – assuming that the screwing happened beyond any statutory consent age limits.

      • RyanInIllinois

        Jinx!

      • DaveInSF

        And if you saw the pictures of him at 17, you would be hard-pressed to say he was under age; he later went on to make porn…

        • pleasebereasonable1

          I saw the pictures, but immaterial. Sam knew the age of the guy from the start. I’m not judging Sam for doing the twink. It did, however, cause irreparable harm to his political career here in Oregon. JMO

      • BeaverTales

        “Under 18” is statutory rape. There is no “consent” if you are under the legal age of consent. If someone thinks 17 is the proper age of consent, they can lobby to change the law. If you aren’t willing to wait, but you are willing to violate the law, you have to be willing to face the legal consequences. It’s just like drinking.

        Not running again with 6 months left in his term after the controversy broke was Sam’s choice, since he wasn’t under indictment. If it was earlier in his term, he may have been forced out against his will. Ed has the same choice, but his effectiveness as a newly reelected mayor would have been too compromised.

    • RyanInIllinois

      Not to be nit picky, but … okay, I’m going to be nit picky. Sam Adams did not resign. He declined to seek another term. The Oregon attorney general investigated the matter and then declined to bring charges against Adams “citing no credible evidence” of him having sexual contact with a minor (who was 17 when they met).

    • ECarpenter

      You are assuming that they did what they’re accused of. Their memories of the events may not be at all the same as that of the accusers.

      Memory is not very reliable. People remember many or most events of their lives differently than other people who were there at the time – and unless there are videos, there’s often no way to tell which person’s memory is closer to what actually happened.

      • BeaverTales

        Same thing with the Catholic priests…. and other famous pedophiles like Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter or serial hetero rapists like Bill Cosby. No one believed those accusations either….at the time many of those events occurred, it was considered a shame for victims to point fingers….especially a young boy to have been molested by another man. That’s why they were able to be predators for many years.

        I don’t think anyone is suggesting that he shouldn’t go to trial. Legal due process is obviously needed and critically important, but with a multitude of accusers, he should resign and go to court instead of asking the city electorate to ignore the accusations. It’s a distraction that can’t be ignored.

  • Publius

    Quite right. What’s more important than defending the reputation of a single politician is protecting the confidence people have in their government. Mayor Murray has diminished that confidence, and it’s been time for him to go for awhile.

  • thom

    Some if the comments here are stunning.

  • Puckfair52

    This happened 40 years ago? When Murray was also under age?

    • royinhell

      Murray is 62 now, so he would have been an adult at that time.

    • thom

      The latest accuser was his 13 yr old cousin. He would have been 21.

  • netxtown

    All I know is that I am ‘thankful’ that the handful of guys I had sex with while I was underage – did not get busted (as far as I know). I knew I was different – and it was those secret rare encounters that let me know there were others out there who liked men as well. It is one heluva confusing time – and in my case – they were no more ‘guilty’ than I. They might have made the first actual move – but I can’t say there was no provocation – and I know I didn’t say ‘no’. It was those guys who confirmed my own orientation.

    That said, I am well aware of many ‘straight’ guys who experimented in their youth. It was a blow job. They got their dick sucked. They liked it – and moved on. And they were ALL underage. Hell, none of us even knew what ‘gay’ was.

    • thom

      Unreal

      • netxtown

        No – what was unreal was growing up in a time that same-sex sex wasn’t even mentioned – completely removed to the point of leaving underage males wondering what the fuck was wrong with us.. We knew it wasn’t the same as everybody else – and weirdly I knew I couldn’t ask anybody any thing about it. It WAS isolation.

        • thom

          Yeah, i get it. That us not what these accusations are about. At all

    • Jeffrey

      You were underage but you are saying that you wanted that to happen to you. I can understand that, I was that kid too when I was post pubescent but not legal. But if I understand correctly this is about young men who were forced. Or were coerced. That’s different.

      • netxtown

        I was never forced.

        • Jeffrey

          The accusations against mayor Murray are about force

      • netxtown

        I guess there is a part of my thinking that wonders why they come forward after 40 years? The statue of limitations is done gone – so I have to question someone’s motive in coming forward at such a late date. Yes – I get it they may well be acting to safe guard against any further victims….but that still doesn’t explain why they have stayed quiet for so long.

        • Pip

          Same reason any survivor stays quiet. Have you seen the way they’re treated once the media gets hold of the story? They’re either victims for life or lying opportunists, depending on who’s reading the story.

          Edit – It’s not just if the media gets hold of the story. Your town finds out. People harass you non stop. Others shame you for reporting it. This society loves to blame the survivors quite a lot.

          • netxtown

            Ugh…so true, Pip. So true.

        • thom

          My husband was quiet for decades about his abuse… these accusers arent looking for money btw

          • netxtown

            Thom – so sorry to hear that. I’m glad the hubby has you in his life.

    • ECarpenter

      Another thing which should not be ignored in this so very Christian nation is that there have been many instances of men happily having sex with another man, and later being manipulated into a conversion to bible-thumping Christianity. After which they’re convinced by their particular nasty sect of Christianity that their past acts were abominations. So they convince themselves that the other guy was exclusively at fault and they themselves (in spite of any orgasms which they may have had, or the number of times they returned for more) didn’t really want it.

      I’m very cautious when I hear of reports of long-ago sex crimes – some incidents were truly coercive or abusive, some incidents weren’t but were changed in a man’s memory over time, and it’s very difficult to separate them out at this distance in time. All of the research into how memory works just makes it more obvious that our memories are not particularly trustworthy about anything.

    • PerryB217

      Thanks for saying what was on my mind as well. Unfortunately you being right in what you say is sooooo politically incorrect in this puritanical (albeit hypocritical) society known as ‘Mur’ica…..sad really that we’re so sexually repressed and paranoid.

      • netxtown

        The shitty part of all of this is that there are kids out there who were abused – abuse by threat or force for sex. Perpetrating that on any kid puts my blood to boiling. But, I was not abused – yet in ‘legal’ terms I was. I would venture the overwhelming majority of boys have had a sexual encounter – opposite or same sex – before the legal age of consent. Yet our laws group all of it under abuse. It is a slippery slope – in many directions – pro and con.

        • PerryB217

          Very true. So socially speaking, what determines the line between consent and abuse… ??…the law. But when the desires a younger person (or any age for that matter) are NOT 100% accepted “socially” should these “laws” apply 100%..? Every time..? Like I said, maybe someday this nation will truly become the progressive, yet mature (sexually included) world leader it purports to be. Just an opinion.

  • This resignation was inevitable. Murray gave a really bizarre response to the first lawsuit (and bombshell) was filed against him in April 2017.. There was a drip by drip revelations of others as well, besides accusers in Murray’s past resurfaced.

    Murray should had resign in May 2017, after he withdrew from his re election race, (well kind of, he threatened to run as a write in candidate) His cousin’s allegation were the last straw..

    • Gregory In Seattle

      These accusations have surfaced several times, always coinciding with times he was up for election or otherwise receiving a great deal of positive publicity. That pattern suggests that yes, the motivation is political.

  • itsnwman

    This guy has done absolutely nothing to be personally proud of or to make the gay community proud. He has only done national damage to our Seattle gay community. He Is a self centered pedophile who has never been a leader. He rode the gay tidal wave of acceptance, claiming total responsibility for any and all advances stemming from the hard work of earnest people, only to further his career. LOSER,

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Nothing says “Yeah, I did it,” quite like “resigned in hours”

  • Lars Littlefield

    Old Ed looks like he could be a brother of Toronto’s ex mayor.

  • SDG

    Oh Ed…