Hillary: “I Am Done With Being A Candidate” [VIDEO]

The Washington Post reports:

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton said Sunday that she will not pursue the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination. “I am done with being a candidate,” Clinton said on CBS’s “Sunday Morning.”

Clinton — who on Tuesday will release “What Happened,” her memoir of the 2016 campaign — does plan to stay involved in national politics, just not as an “active politician” who may launch a campaign. “But I am not done with politics because I literally believe that our country’s future is at stake,” she said in an interview with Jane Pauley.

Clinton also was critical of President Trump’s preparedness for the White House. “We have a reality show that leads to the election of a president. He ends up in the Oval Office. He says, ‘Boy, it’s so much harder than I thought it would be. This is really tough. I had no idea,’” Clinton said. “Well, yeah, because it’s not a show. It’s real. It’s reality, for sure.”

  • JWC

    Love Ya Babe but thank Gawd take Bernie with you

    • Lawerence Collins

      Why? Bernie is out everyday changing hearts and minds of trump voters. He’s the only reason why Medicare for all is so popular right now. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac0c276383eda2f4bebc296d039460a4635606cfaf722eebb6ea3a108c7f007f.jpg

      • JWC

        because Bernie is a fuckinf asshole for one reason

        • Lawerence Collins

          How very random and incomplete. He’s the most popular politician still. You’ve nothing but insults.

          • JWC

            and extremely little respect Berniebot

      • Carl

        All Bernie has going for him is a penis. That’s what make you idiots think this one speech wonder is a saint and why you project all your fears on Hillary Clinton.

        I’m in a hurricane and so bored with the cult’s bullshit right now.

        • robindaybird

          and why vote for a guy that could drop dead in a few years, that was one of McCain’s big black marks: he was a very old man and his VP was a terrifyingly stupid nit

        • DevineBovine

          Bernie apparently had much more going for him than you know, penis aside. Had he not, it wouldn’t have been necessary for the DNC to conspire against him.

          • Andymac3

            Sure Jan.

        • thom

          Yes, Ma’am!
          Where in the path of Irma are you?

          • Carl

            North Central Florida. If I’m reading this thing right, I should see the first of the scary orange bands in about an hour.

            I’m enjoying the distractions here while I still can.

        • Lawerence Collins

          What the actual Fcuk are you going on about?!? Bernie Sanders is once again, for I can’t remember how many months. The most beloved and popular politician in the country!
          He’s beyond just one speech. He fights for the poor and what’s left of the middle class. He’s called the amendment King. He was for our rights over a decade ago. His speeches and rallies had packed attendance.
          Ask any Bernie Sanders supporter, if they’d vote for a woman candidate. They all say yes. For a real progressive woman candidate!

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Then bernie needs to start the hearts and minds party cause he isnt a democrat. Hes a far left steve bannon. Just out to destroy everything cause he alone can put it back together.

        • Carl

          It’s Trumpism for the left. This “socialist revolution” is just a
          Fox New-esque bubble world support group for straight white bros who can’t stand that they’re are not calling all the shots in the party. Their “economic anxiety” is just as fake as those on the right.

          • DevineBovine

            Like it or not, the “socialist revolution” is here to stay. Much more that one can say for the democratic party.

        • DevineBovine

          “destroy everything”??? That’s priceless, if not paranoid.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            No as bernie say “revolutionize”

        • Lawerence Collins

          I’d love to know where you get your news from?

      • SoCalGal20

        Pretty sure he hasn’t changed the heart or mind of a single Trump voter.

      • bambinoitaliano
      • FAEN

        So Bernie is perfect and has never played dirty pool?

      • Friday

        Err, yeah, the only problem is that wasn’t Hillary. Guess who *really* buys and pushes fake news.

        • Do Something Nice

          Please. This type of nonsense is typical of the Clintons.

          • Friday

            Whatever you think is ‘typical’ this claim was and still is false.

          • Do Something Nice

            Yeah, keep believing that.

          • Friday

            Or I could have *found out.*

          • Dramphooey

            I guess one thing that will never be on the Clinton Death List is the death list itself.

      • danolgb

        You do know that the Dems do rig one election? They made a deal with Bernie to not run a candidate against him in his Senate seat. That way he never has to face a primary challenge. Maybe that should change along with the money the Dems give him.

        Also, the photo was not circulated by Hillary. No one knows where the photo came from.

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        Just, no. When you’ve got nothing to truthful to add, you’re just attempting to muddy the water. I might even argue a PutinBot.

  • And yet, Bernie seems to already be running for President again. He needs to fuck off.

    • FAEN

      He’s not even a fucking Dem!!!

      • JWC

        Bernie A ledgend in his own mind

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      He’s already toast. Most of the valid supporters of his in the beginning already dislike him solely for being a capitulating fuck. He’s not running, he’s grifting for his wife’s defense.

    • jerrydoubleu .

      bernie is better, just fact

      • matrem

        Bernie is just another politician.

        • John Ruff

          And you’re just a stupid punk.

          • matrem

            And you’re a sanctimonious twit. Wake up.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Does that mean someone will have to pry the candidacy out of Bernie’s dead cold hands?

    • I hope Joe Biden beats it out of him.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Some people just does not know when to quit.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Joe wont be pure enuf. And i heard he greeted someone from goldman sachs in passing on the street! The horror

    • robindaybird

      he’ll be 79 in 2020, there’s a good chance he’ll drop dead in the next four years. And note how the bros already are trying to drag Harris through the mud.

      • Carl

        They already turned on Elizabeth Warren, which shows how they aren’t serious about demanding more progressive candidates.

    • Lazycrockett

      I will not support a candidate over 60.

    • Gerry Fisher

      I voted for Bernie in the MD primary. He won’t get another vote from me (unless it’s him versus Trump).

    • Treant

      I don’t think so. While the DNC has a tendency to go in order, Bernie fucked up big time and alienated a lot of Democratic voters. Two states have now gone to Primaries instead of caucuses, one being Maine, in part due to the shenanigans last time.

      He’ll probably make it out of the gate in Iowa and immediately start falling behind as other states’ results add on. He’s delusional, but even he can’t tolerate a complete lack of large donors due to the fact that he’s not a viable candidate.

  • 5moreminutes*imtired

    #ImStillWithHer

    • Ross

      Me, too.

      • Lazycrockett

        three

        • FAEN

          Four.

          • Ninja0980

            Five.

          • AC

            six

          • danolgb

            Seven

          • Todd20036

            Googolplex

          • Zellaby

            G-Force: Guardians of Space

        • BockMcMillan

          Eight

    • TK
      • Mark

        Mrs Clinton is a very strong woman and that scares the hell out of most men and a lot of women too! Me, I love her strength and determination…along with compassion and empathy.

        • I love dim sum

          Nina Turner is my idea of a strong woman…..and to use Hillary’s tactic, if you don’t support Nina, then you are sexist and racist.

          • Rocco Gibraltar

            Tina Turner is my idea of a strong woman.

          • GayOldLady

            Nina? Never! Kamala Harris 2020

        • zhera

          Mark, are you home now?

          • Mark

            Not yet. Still flying – hopefully by 1030 MDT I will be in my own house with a big snifter full of rum…..Thanks for asking!!!!!

  • goofy_joe

    It will be interesting to see what kind of impact she will have when no longer constrained by the limitations of being a candidate or elected official. Take the gloves off and toss the filter honey!

    • Lazycrockett

      From the book excerpts she seems not to give a fuck bout coddling the Bros anymore.

      • goofy_joe

        Right? I heard on Rachael Maddow the other night she talked about Putin and his “man-spread”! lol

      • Ninja0980

        And rightfully so.
        They’ve made it clear our community (along with others) is expendable for the “greater good” and that Tulsi Gabbard and others get a pass on their anti-LGBT history because they worship St. Bernie but Hillary deserves to be called a bigot forever.

      • another_steve

        I understand that in the book she says that she tried to play nice with Sanders and avoid the mud but that that may have been a mistake.

        She made the mistake that many of us made – assuming her win in November was a done deal and that she didn’t have to play rough and dirty.

        In retrospect a big mistake, that.

        • Gerry Fisher

          I’m not sure that “rough and dirty” was as important as “effective.” She really didn’t have a finger on the pulse of what was motivating people emotionally (again…same problem as in ’08).

          • Lazycrockett

            If you look at what she proposed she had her finger firmly on the pulse of what this country needs. She just happens to not be a charismatic politician. Personally I’m always for the hard worker that delivers than the “celebrity speaker” who promises free ponies and unicorns.

          • another_steve

            Let’s remember that Hillary’s defeat was due to the loss of electoral college votes in a few key states. She won the popular vote nationwide.

            I hold Mook and her other campaign advisers and strategists responsible for her loss. They should have been doing daily polling in the key electoral college states so that Clinton could devote more time in them.

            Everyone assumed it was in the bag for Clinton. That’s okay for schmucks like me and you, Gerry – but Mook and the others should have known better.

    • Gerry Fisher

      Her biggest weakness involved campaigning. She could so some extraordinary things in term of advocacy and behind-the-scenes policy.

  • bambinoitaliano

    You think some of these long term serving politicians will learn something from watching the slasher films. Get the fuck out of the house!!!!!

    • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

      The tweets are coming FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Robincho

      Did his family invent some exotic, foreign gay sexual practice?…

      • TimCA

        I know. When he rises to more prominence, I’m just waiting for every gay hating internet troll to start taking pot shots at his name.

  • Lazycrockett
  • TrueWords
  • Texndoc

    I was reading through a Twitter link the “Leading Democratic Candidates” of 2020 1 through 7 from Washington Post I believe and it disgusted many commenters that #1 and #2 went to the “over 75 in 2020” Bernie and Joe Biden. Alot of talk about Senator Harris of Calfornia, Senator Warren. Gavin Newsome. But the name most mentioned in the comments: Joe Kennedy III. Because Kennedy I suppose.

    • JWC

      For no other reason. They need new blood. Not last years old dented used model

      • Texndoc

        It was funny. #7 was Zuckerberg and #6 I believe was the “Oprah Winfrey George Clooney Tom Hanks candidate”. Apparently as far as a celebrity candidate, Zuckerberg gets his own slot.

        • JWC

          please Never Not NO FUCKLEBERG

    • Carl

      I think things are so unpredictable right now. Frankly, nobody knows shit.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      It’s so depressing that American politics is run on such a shallow basis, even in the more functional party.

  • Blake J Butler

    And the bernie gays are rejoicing on the comments feed for JMG.

    In retaliation, i give my early endorsement to Kamala Harris.

    • Queensbridge

      Why? What has Harris done, what are her positions. Sadly you seem to be going for the celebrity driven american media idea rather than any real politics. As with the Clinton debacle (now at 30% less popular than Trump) that’s a dead end

      • Blake J Butler

        I’m not doing your work you should be doing. Other than I will say she has competed for progressive values consistently.

        1. Not celebrity otherwise I would have supported st. Bernie with big ideas and little accomplishments to back on.

        2. People literally have no fucking clue what to think about her because fact checking is too damn difficult and we literally spent almost 2 years talking about her fucking emails instead of contrasting her primary opponent and giving baby Huey a glide for most of his many, many, many, scandals.

        The question you should be asking is why someone with decades of accomplishments is recieiving flack from a wing of the “Democratic Party” that wants Hillary to not speak out on anything and just sit down and shut up. Because she provided people with the answers they needed not like they wanted from trump or sanders.

        • Queensbridge

          Sorry, guy, Hillary’s polling now at 30%, less than Trump, so you and the dead enders can hang on as long as you want, history has passed you by.

          And as a gay person, you know what? Tom Duane, a gay leader in New York, first openly gay councilperson, first in the Senate, a hero from back in the days of AIDS; he supported Sanders, told how back in the early aughts, when in New York State suddenly the Democrats finally had control of the Governorship, the Senate and the Assembly, and they were going to pass gay marriage, but the junior senator, Hillary Clinton, said no, it was too soon, with an eye to running for national office where gay marriage wouldn’t be so acceptable.

          And the Defense of Marriage Act? Yeah, a real hero for the community. Know your history, dude, and then pic your heros

  • Lazycrockett

    OT I never watched NBC news but is Brian Williams always this fucking obnoxious?

  • Ninja0980

    Which means Bernie and his bots will demand the nomination be his outright, despite their whining that a coronation is a bad thing.

    • Lazycrockett

      I will work as hard as I can to defeat Bernie and his cult in the primaries. I will spend money and canvas against that asshole.

      • JWC

        the trumnp group had originally hope that Bernie would beat Hillarry because then knew they could beat Bernie Hillary (pre russia) was the challange

    • danolgb

      I still think he runs Independent because he doesn’t want to face a primary and he’ll fuck everything up. Then they’ll still blame the Dems for “how dare they run someone against him.”

  • PickyPecker
    • JWC

      There is no arguement that Hillary has left a strong Legacy that has benefited America greatly and one she should be immensly proud of. This should never be diminished But there comes a time when she gets to rest and hands that mantle to others I think she realizes it , accepted it and is willing to move on Be a grandmother

  • Blake Mason

    https://youtu.be/tteLMfFDCb4?t=769

    He is still running a reality show… the first comment that comes out of his mouth is about the rating when giving a press conference on Hurricane Harvey.

  • TrueWords

    Here are some of Hillary’s accomplishments:

    expand health coverage for millions of kids

    After law school, Hillary could have gone to work for a prestigious law firm, but took a job at the Children’s Defense Fund. She worked with teenagers incarcerated in adult prisons in South Carolina and families with disabled children in Massachusetts.

    Helped get 9/11 first responders the health care they needed.

    In Beijing, told the world that “women’s rights are human rights.”

    As secretary of state, Hillary made LGBT rights a focus of U.S. foreign policy. She lobbied for the first-ever U.N. Human Rights Council resolution on human rights and declared that “gay rights are human rights.” And here at home, she made the State Department a better, fairer place for LGBT employees to work.

    Hillary worked across the aisle to expand health care access for members of the National Guard and reservists—making sure those who served and their families had access to health care when they returned home. And she worked to expand the Family Medical Leave Act, allowing families of those wounded in service to their country to take leave in order to care for their loved ones.

    As our nation’s chief diplomat, Hillary didn’t back down when the stakes were high. As Hamas rockets rained down on Israel, Hillary went to the region immediately. Twenty-four hours after she landed, a ceasefire went into effect—and that year became Israel’s quietest in a decade.

    Her role in killing Osama bin Laden.

    Management of the State Department during which time we saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China

    aggressive work on climate (particularly at Copenhagen)

    the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—helping to lead us to the agreement currently on the table.

    Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it

    She worked night and day to protect and create jobs in New York, whether that was at the Niagara Falls Air Force base or the Center for Bioinformatics at the University of Buffalo.

    She also led the charge on the Lilly Ledbetter Pay Equity Act, which is now the law of the land.

    Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).

    She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.

    At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.

    Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.

    The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180 countries through its Initiative program.

    Fighting for minimum wage increases

    Fights for climate change recognition and response with clean energy

    Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.

    She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.

    She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.

    Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).

    She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.

    At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.

    She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.

    Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).

    Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.

    Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.

    Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.

    Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.

    Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date.

    The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180 countries through its Initiative program.

    These are not all of her accomplishments. Her activism on behalf of women a children across the world is renowned. Her activism for raising the minimum wage and combating climate change is stellar.

    • misterjack

      Yeah, but…but emails!

      • Lazycrockett

        but but her vagina.

        • Gianni

          Emails ad nauseam, Benghazi, and vagina. I can still hear Donald postulating that electing Hillary would guarantee a President who would be under continuous investigation for all her many wrongs. Do tell, Donald!

        • Zellaby

          But that dress!?!

      • Mark

        And Benghazi!!!!

    • Carl

      But she’s a woman and makes people feel insecure about themselves, and she must be punished!!!

      • LaChatSayWha

        Whoomp! There it is.

    • Ross

      Thank you.
      Thank you.
      Thank you.

    • danolgb

      She literally did more towards Bernie’s alleged goals just as FLOTUS than Bernie has in 25 years of Congress.

    • Do Something Nice

      That is an impressive list. I think the biggest mistake her campaign – and the DNC – made was to try to play to the middle. In 2008, Obama ran as a leftist candidate and beat Clinton and beat McCain. Once in office he governed from the middle, except on social policy.

      I think Clinton should have ran more to the left. But then you know hindsight.

      • Todd20036

        Bernie was a socialist. He would NOT have won the general.

        • Do Something Nice

          I’m not at all talking about Sanders, but we don’t know if he would have lost or won. I don’t speculate about these things.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I would have been happy with Clinton or Sanders or O’Malley or Chafee. I would have been disappointed, but able to live with, Kasich, Rubio, Jeb, Pataki, Graham, Fiorina, Christie, Webb or Paul. But Trump…. something is seriously wrong with America when somebody like Trump can get elected. We have bigger problems than the candidates.

        • DaveMiller135

          Fiorina? Really? Otherwise, I agree.

        • Paul

          Cruz is probably the only one who would have been as bad as Trump.

    • Salton

      This list proves she wasn’t qualified.

      • TrueWords

        I know…she was a HACK…man I am so glad we dodged a bullet with her as President…

        • Salton

          That is so true! Me too 🙂

  • Keith D Plane

    While i understand her need to get this out and “process” it I also want her to just move on already. This continual ongoing flogging she and everyone else is doing does no good. Learn from this and fight people. Stop the navel gazing!

    • Ninja0980

      That goes for Bernie as well.
      I would like someone to ask him why several of his backed candidates from special elections or last fall couldn’t win if everyone loves Bernie as much as he and his supporters claim they do.

      • Do Something Nice

        I agree with you – I don’t want Bernie to run again.

        As for the special election candidates, that’s bogus – establishment-backed candidates haven’t done that well either.

    • Gianni

      I agree. Donnie won’t ever let it go, but she can. Bury it already and walk away. She plans to stay in the political loop as a citizen. That is good news; I do like Hillary.

    • -M-

      I think the book and current cycle of interviews are part of moving forward and learning from this with a analysis of what we’re up against.

  • PJ

    HALLELUJAH!
    Now maybe the old white gays can take a good look at actually progress candidates instead of backing a Democrat in Name Only who was giving speeches at Goldman Sachs before announcing her presidential run.

    • Ernest Endevor

      This is too stupid to warrant any serious consideration beyond Go fuck yourself.

      • PJ

        You left us with Trump because you didn’t want to see the weaknesses of your candidate. Our world is literally on the brink of destruction

        • stevenj

          Bullshit.

      • evan_or

        Wilfully ignorant PJ earned himself a block from me.

        • Ernest Endevor

          Me, too.

      • evan_or

        Wilfully ignorant PJ earned himself a block from me.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lazycrockett

      This guy is bout to get hit by debris.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Is it mean of me to hope he get swipe by the tree and get taken by the storm? I know the importance of journalism. But you do not need to be standing beside a lava spewing volcano to let the viewers know how dangerous and intense mother nature can be. That’s what remote cam and satellite are for. There are real victims of the storm who did not have the options these networks have.

  • Jeffg166

    It’s time for new blood. Hillary and Bernie had their chance. I don’t hate either of them. Both would be far better then what we got stuck with.

  • misterjack

    I hope she can help out some newer, younger Democrat candidates. Pass the torch.

  • safari
    • Ross

      The orange?

      Smooth.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Neck-deep in the big muddy,
      And the big fool says to march on.

    • Leo
      • safari

        It put a lot of American race politics into perspective.

      • Lazycrockett

        One of the best things Ive read all year.

      • shellback

        Too bad he is incapable of reading it (too long). Maybe if it were illustrated for toddlers.

      • LaChatSayWha

        One of the most prescient reviews of our country I’ve ever read. Really on the mark.

    • FAEN

      So they took a pic a day after he got in there.

  • Dramphooey

    I’m glad that those who are far more progressive than us can now concentrate more of their time on mansplaining why Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren suck.

  • Do Something Nice

    Looking at Democrats all the way back to 1940, she didn’t do that well.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/655f7412cc95472b2e18fe7de236971820cb4a5a04f134a26e3408462eb78845.jpg

    • Sam_Handwich

      small consolation, but it’s still more votes than any white man who ever ran for president.

      • Do Something Nice

        Considering population growth, that is a ridiculous comparison. In 1948, the population was less than half of what it was in 2016, so that is why we used percent of popular vote and not actual votes.

        • Ross

          Hillary received about the same vote count as Obama did in 2012.

          Considering everything thrown at her (sexism, Comey, 24/7 negative media coverage while the media fawned over Trump, the utter nonsense about emails, and, oh, RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA), Hillary did amazingly well.

          You are just too blind to see.

          • Do Something Nice

            And the US population in 2016 was about 10 million more than 2012, so that is why we use percents.

            Doing amazingly well isn’t enough when that allowed Trump to win.

          • Ross

            Ahhh, I am confident that Russia allowed Trump to win.

          • Do Something Nice

            Proof or it didn’t happen.

          • Ross

            …can you say Mueller Results?

          • Do Something Nice

            What results?

          • Ross

            Watch the clock…

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Yeah, but back in the 1940s they didn’t have Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Breitbart, and Facebook working overtime to convince people of complete and utter lies so they will happily vote against their own best interests because they possess absolutely no reality based facts.

      • Do Something Nice

        I voted for Clinton in November, but I didn’t support Clinton in the primary and it had nothing to do with those ‘utter lies’ that, sadly, really do exist.

        But don’t kid yourself – yellow journalism was just as bad back then.

        • GreatLakeSailor

          But don’t kid yourself – yellow journalism was just as bad back then.

          Yep.

  • HZ81

    Our democracy was hacked and assaulted. She’s our rightful President. Everybody knows it. The Russia investigation will confirm it—and hopefully will extend to voting system hacking, which the NYT recently reported was widespread and under-investigated.

    I’m glad she’s not running again. She was treated like absolute shit.

    • Carl

      Yeah, you should only get one shot. Even if the election was stolen from you, a loss taints you. It’s not fair, but I believe it’s accurate.

      She worked her ass off though. I liked the way she fought.

      • HZ81

        Well, so many on the left have raging CDS that they’re okay democracy was savaged so they can run their progressive purity pipe dream in 2020. Hating her is more important than the sanctity of one person, one vote. They sat home with their fee-fees and aided progress in this country being pushed back decades.

        We should be collectively outraged at what happened, but no.

        • danolgb

          You should read some of the Medium articles written by the “Berniecrats”. They’re as insistent as Trump that there was no Russian interference. In some ways, more so.

          • HZ81

            Oh, I know. Nina Turner, the new Our Revolution kapo, said Russia wasn’t worth it months ago.

            It’s all Bernie Bernie Bernie 2020 with the socialist rambling roses. Sorry gay people (and POC), you have to move to the back of the bus so the real progressives can capture the hearts of white people who are suffering “economic anxiety.” We’re doomed.

          • JCF

            I was just reading a paean to her in Rolling Stone {vomit}. I swear, check her bank account for RUBLES! >:-(

          • JWC

            Who are you and what was your comment re sarcasm

          • Lawerence Collins

            Bernie Sanders popularity with people of color has grown a lot in the last year. They’ve stopped buying the lies they were told about him.

          • HZ81

            Yes. you’d have to be lied to if you don’t like Bernie. He’s a lily-white saint.

          • SoCalGal20

            That’s because they want their narrative that “Bernie would have won if only it hadn’t been for the meddling DNC and awful candidate Killary!!!!” to be true.

          • Chaz Antonelli

            You took the words from my mouth.

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          • Lawerence Collins

            This guys lying to you. Try actual facts.

          • Gerry Fisher

            “The delusion is strong in these ones.”

          • danolgb

            Oh.. they somehow think they won their stupid DNC “fraud” lawsuit that the judge threw out.

          • picalane

            Perhaps those “Berniecrats” are Russian trolls…and it seems to be working if their goal is to cause division.

          • danolgb

            It would be a huge mistake to dismiss them as Russian trolls. That’s become the lazy way to ignore them. Especially when you see your (white, straight) friends on Facebook saying the same things.

          • picalane

            Since I don’t know any Berniecrats or BernieBros, and I was a Bernie supporter who voted and campaigned for Hillary, I’m just a little curious where you all are meeting these evil Berniecrats, but do go on w/ the repeated Bernie hate.

          • danolgb

            Bernie deserves the hate. He’s the one that fed Trump the lies. He’s the one who the Russian trolls used his alleged “victimhood” to get to his followers. He’s the one who stayed in the primaries way beyond his expiration date and caused Hillary to fight a two front battle. And here you are, concern trolling and dismissing all the BS as “Russian Trolling.” We have eyes. We saw the army of idiots marching around the convention whining that they had been cheated because their savior lost by almost 4 million votes. Nina Turner is a real person still dragging the lies out today. We see Bernie stand on the podium doing nothing at a “Unity” event while the idiots boo the DNC chair. The Russian hacks wouldn’t have worked had Bernie’s campaign not planted the seeds.

          • BeaverTales

            picalane as as much right to post here as you do.

            The selective memories and historical revisionism about how the DNC chair dismissed the legitimate will of many primary voters who begrudgingly supported Hillary in the general election is why the party is still struggling today.. A lot of people in purple states like WI, MI and PA left the Democratic party in protest because of the preferential treatment Hillary received for months before the primary..

            If the DNC chair hadn’t tried to suppress the Bernie votes, and Hillary hadn’t rewarded the leading architect of that scandal with a leading position in her campaign, more people would have believed Hilary had character.

            Young Democratic voters who wanted to vote for their preferred candidate were mistreated and turned off to politics by the DNC . She deserved to be fired and she was. A lot of other heads should have rolled along with hers at the state party level.

            Hillary was treated with kid gloves by Bernie, compared to the way Trump was treated by his primary opponents…if Hillary couldn’t handle a serious primary opponent who ran on actual issues instead of name recognition, she was doomed to lose. A lot of people tried to tell her that the approach to winning votes in NY was not going to win PA and MI. She completely ignored WI. That wasn’t Bernie’s fault.

            Ignoring everyone who tried to give her advice in places where she most needed votes in favor of easy fundraising speeches to bankster barons is “what actually happened” and the reason why Hillary pissed off people in states she needed to win the Electoral College…..a losing strategy that many Democrats noticed outside of the Echo Chamber..

          • danolgb

            Did I say picalane didn’t have a right to post here? Geeze. Your victimhood knows no bounds. And Bernie wasn’t fucking cheated. He just didn’t have a ground game. Period. Having large rallies with kids not old enough to vote doesn’t get you votes. This is exactly the BS the Russians and Trump preyed upon. Congratulations for falling for it.
            Bernie’s campaign literally tried to overturn the votes of the people in Nevada and when rightfully stopped turned violent and claimed they were the ones cheated. There was cheating in the primaries alright, but it was always Bernie’s team doing it. Yet they masterfully deflected blame among their idiot followers who are too stupid to see it.
            And it’s a lie that she ignored WI and MI. Guess who went there as an alleged proxy for the campaign. Yep! Fucking Bernie Sanders. That was probably a mistake since trusting him to turn out votes since it’s all about him in his mind.

          • BeaverTales

            And here you are, concern trolling
            Your victimhood knows no bounds

            Wow are you always this nasty to people who disagree with you? No one called you names and yet you are treating Bernie supporters the same way Hillary treated Bernie… and then you are surprised she lost? We aren’t the idiots here.

            You called him/her a concern troll, which is deligitimizing, patronizing and uncalled for, simply for expressing the opinion of 45% of the Democratic Party.

            Hillary’s ground game was pretty fucking lousy. It consisted of delusional polling data and purges of anyone who wasn’t a loyalist from day one. Having more rallies in NY, IL and CA doesn’t win you the electoral college but it does line your pockets.

            The Russians and Trump would have had nothing to work with if the DNC chair wasn’t undermining voters in her own party, sending bigoted emails advising her apparatchicks to bring up Bernie’s secular Judaism in the South. If you can only win by demonizing atheists and Jews in the 21st century, you don’t deserve the Democratic party nomination.

          • danolgb

            I called him a concern troll because that’s what he was doing.

            When were these alleged rallies? You don’t seem to know what you are talking about.

            Um.. that third paragraph isn’t even supported by the spin on the emails. You’ve certainly made up a new reality. Especially, since DWS is Jewish herself. Some random guy sent that email and it was never enacted upon.

          • BeaverTales

            I read the hacked emails and so did millions of others. Revisionist bullshit is not going to get Trump out of office in 2020 honey. Reality sucks, but you just have to deal with it.

            Name calling and demonizing Bernie is exactly why this party will suffer in 2018 and 2020. Millions of Democrats liked Bernie’s message and they voted for him. Get over it.

            Um, treating people like their votes don’t matter is not the way to win an election. DWS being Jewish had nothing to do with it.

          • danolgb

            Yes, you may have read the emails, but you didn’t bother to read them in context. They were discussing how to deal with Bernie’s attacks on the DNC after Nevada. Does the DNC just have to sit there and take the attacks? They were not evidence of rigging. Bernie just set up the narrative that he would be cheated on day one and you guys took every little piece of innuendo as evidence that he was. He wasn’t. He simply didn’t turn out the votes. Bernie had lost in April. There was no way he was going to catch up. That wasn’t rigging. That was just math. If he cared about anyone but himself, he would have stepped aside, but he was too enthralled by those rallies of adoring fans to see it.

            “treating people like their votes don’t matter is not the way to win an election.”
            You just described Bernie and his actual words on the Southern voters who overwhelmingly chose Hillary.

            https://forwardprogressives.com/let-me-address-this-ridiculousness-surround-the-dnc-email-hack/

          • BeaverTales

            The DNC treating Bernie like an ‘enemy’ in Nevada and telling lies about mythical “Bernie bros” throwing chairs at the poor poor disadvantaged Hillary delegates was exposed as a lie almost immediately, but Hillary was happy to repeat it for the rest of the primary season..

            http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking-nprs-reports-on-vegas-violence
            http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

            Bernie is not the enemy. Bernie represented ~45% of Democratic voters. Sorry that you don’t like it. He turned out enough votes to make the DNC chair be forced out in shame for her skullduggery and gameplaying.

            Bernie had every right to contest every primary just like Hillary did when she ran against Obama. The DNC is still deeply divided and all Hillary can do is force us to relive her own delusional pity party. Now she wants to draw media attention away from the victims of multiple natural disasters with this ridiculous book tour. What is she trying to accomplish? Hasn’t she made enough money making speeches yet?

          • danolgb

            Bernie does not represent the voters. Just because he got their vote once, doesn’t mean he owns them. And while there may not have been a chair thrown, the crowd did get ugly. And then the online followers really started threatening.
            But again, the WHOLE reason why Nevada happened was because Bernie’s team was trying to overturn the votes of a state they lost. Why is this okay for you? They were literally stopped from cheating. And threw a tantrum when the state followed the rules and stopped them.
            Bernie had a right turn run in every contest. But that’s not what you do in a primary if the math is not going to ever work out in your favor and you care about the final outcome. Republicans figured that out. Bernie was too ego-stricken to see that.
            And if Bernie had every right to run the primary, Hillary has every right to tell her story. Stop trying to use a tragedy to silence her. Why did Bernie get to go on a book tour right after the national tragedy of him handing the country to Trump? Did you speak out then?

            http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

          • BeaverTales

            The state DNC chairs were turning Bernie voters away at the door at caucuses in Vegas and Anchorage (where I watched it happen with my own eyes) and many other places. Is this okay with you?

            Hillary getting fed debate questions and not Bernie seem fair to you?
            http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donna-brazile-passing-debate-questions-clinton-camp-mistake/story?id=46218677

            Doesn’t DWS undermining 45% of the electorate and Hillary hiring her as her “surrogate” seem stupid and arrogant to you if you are trying to win over Bernie voters?
            https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/statements/2016/07/24/hillary-clinton-statement-on-the-resignation-of-democratic-national-committee-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultz/

            Did you guys ever think this behavior might possibly piss off *millions* of Democrats? Did you care? No, you didn’t care because you all thought you had it in the bag.

            I got tired of *many hours* of explaining how Bernie people should get out and vote for Hillary instead of voting Jill Stein or staying home and to ignore Hillary’s idiotic choices. Bernie tried to do the same. I’m fucking Human and so is Bernie. Not good enough? Hillary’s shitty attitude towards young and working class voters in “flyover states” didn’t help either. Did she seriously campaign there? NO

            Bernie had absolutely nothing to do with that.

            Hillary’s ingratitude and frequent brushoffs certainly turned off many Democrats in Wisconsin and many other places.
            http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-bernie-hillary-fcking-ignored-us-in-swing-states

          • danolgb

            You know what we would find if we had the opportunity to read Bernie’s emails? The same damned things. Bernie also had friendly reporters he could turn to. Undoubtedly, he had people sending him hints as well. And really, what of that hint you guys harp on? Someone was going to ask about the water in a panel in Flint Michigan! What a shocker! No one would have seen that coming.
            And DWS did not fucking rig any elections. She stepped down because you guys had made her the center of attention, so she rightfully stepped out of the way so the candidate would be in the spotlight. That’s what a leader does. And she was “rewarded” with an unpaid worker position. Some reward.
            So, Bernie voters were being turned away? Did they have psychics running the doors? Or maybe the people being turned away weren’t registered to vote? Something Bernie failed at getting his supporters to do.
            And you know what. You keep claiming to speak for Democrats. Democrats overwhelmingly chose Clinton over Bernie. Bernie won caucuses where the privileged who have the time to show up can vote. Hillary won the much more democratic primaries. Guess which ones the party controls? Yeah.. Caucuses. If you think the DNC was rigging anything, you’d think they’d have rigged the one thing they have some control over.
            If Bernie was so great, why they hell hasn’t he passed any of his alleged agenda in the 25 years he’s been in Congress where laws are made? Being elected President isn’t going to change his failure rate.

          • BeaverTales

            I don’t have time to keep repeating myself: The upshot is that Hillary *repeatedly* ignored good advice from Bernie supporters in multiple swing states.
            http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-bernie-hillary-fcking-ignored-us-in-swing-states

            Whose fault is that??? If Hillary was so great, she would have said “I need to win the fucking Electoral College” instead of telling Berniecrats that she didn’t need their ideas or support

          • danolgb

            You guys really have childish excuses for people not being smart enough to vote for the infinitely better candidate. If berners in those states are as stupid as they make them out to be, no one was going to change their brainwashed little brains. Apparently Bernie himself couldn’t undo his damage since he went there to allegedly campaign for her.

          • BeaverTales

            I feel the same way about Hillary’s book tour. I didn’t appreciate Team Hillary’s insults or buy her lame excuses then, and I don’t buy them now.

            We were 100% right and we tried to help you win over our states. Fuck you for ignoring us, and fuck Trump. You made this happen. I’m tired of trying to talk sense to you people- it has been over a year of this shit now…

          • danolgb

            Sure you did. You believe the myths that your savior was cheated. I’m sure you were such a great cheerleader.

          • HZ81

            “We were 100% right…”

            No, fuck you, loser.

          • picalane

            And now we’ll hear the same ignorant cries of misogyny from Hillarycrats. They are no different than Hillary, licking her wounds and placing blame on Bernie for her loss to the most asinine candidate ever.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Ur killing the message by praising its first messenger. Bernie is as toxic as hillary. The Party cant move forward until the Party has someone who pleases both clinton and sanders supporters.
            Thats why we are doomed, IMO, we dont have a uniter for a major candidate. We are still in circular firing squad mode

          • BeaverTales

            The problem isn’t about political personalities, it’s about DNC egalitarianism. The US Constitution was written to share power between states with small and large populations. As much as the DNC elite hates that fact, it’s just reality.

            The path forward requires a true 50 state strategy, not a fake patronizing one or an urban state one (i.e. states with big population centers only)…As long as the Senate is controlled by the NY/Eastern delegation (Schumer)and the House is controlled by the SF/Western people (Pelosi), it won’t happen….they’ve had their chance and they shrunk the party so that it completely lacks power in any chamber of government.

            The Kansas Democrat who nearly pulled off the impossible has some advice for his party
            https://thinkprogress.org/thompson-kansas-election-b57a97493db6/

            The Democratic party is undermining Bernie Sanders-style candidates
            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/13/progressive-democratic-candidates-james-thompson-loss

            The DNC leadership is out of touch with anyone who doesn’t inhabit Silicon Valley or Wall Street or the tech industry or the FIRE sector.. There is no real ideological diversity in the DNC anymore…except based on skin color and sexual diversity.

            The Democratic Party only cares about the low hanging fruit in NY (New England and mid Atlantic), IL (Upper midwest), CA (west coast) and to no one else. Hillary’s “message” was composed of uninformed appeals to the Purple States: Farmers (IA, WI, IN), Rust Belt (PA, MI and OH), natural resource rich states (AK, CO, MT) or even some of the Southern states (MO,FL, VA).

            Obama won (or ran very strongly) in most of those in 2008. He convinced us that he cared about us. Hillary, not so much (she only bagged CO and VA).

            States that vote equally red or blue when they find a personality who appeals to the rich guys. We aren’t all religious cretins, we are hard working people who want *everyone* to have a fair chance of success outside of urban America.

            I hope Senator Sanders continues to speak for the disenfranchised, the reform minded, and especially the rural working class. Hillary’s message didn’t reach us because she continually made deeply uninformed assumptions about what our real issues were…we tried to tell her, and we were still treated like we always are….we were completely ignored in favor of wealthy Dems. Bernie didn’t do that…if he solicited big money from Wall Street ( he didn’t), he would have had very little appeal. He was a very brave man to subject himself to the constant and strident abuse of Team Hillary and their deep pockets.

            Sanders: Dems didn’t do enough in Kansas special election
            http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/329027-sanders-dems-didnt-do-enough-to-help-candidate-in-kansas-special

            If the DNC strategy is to mainly focus mainly on urban voters in large cities going into 2018, they might as well write off 2020 as well. We will lose Congress, POTUS and ultimately SCOTUS.

            Why are Democrats writing off winnable elections?
            http://theweek.com/articles/690699/why-are-democrats-writing-winnable-elections

            Working class Democrats from smaller states like mine have been ignored for decades, and I hope 2016 taught the DNC that they can’t win without us….calling us nasty names and ignoring us is not going to work….and the insinuation by DNC conservatives that *we* are the problem when we’ve been completely shut out of power for many many years is why the resentment won’t end.

            If they give us a real voice (instead of a token and patronized one), there will finally be some healing and the ability to turn purple states blue sometimes.

          • AC

            Sounds like the Democratic Party is not a place that you wish to be.

          • BeaverTales

            Yes, I want to belong to a party whose platform reflects the membership, not the other way around….almost 50% of us Democrats have considered that we are not welcome in the Democratic Party . I suppose we can form our own party if our ideas cannot be accommodated by the leadership.

            We backed a progressive socialist “non-democrat” for president, so let the purge begin!

            Maybe the Democratic Party doesn’t need us….as many who supported Hillary have tried to tell us.

          • AC

            Bye, Felicia

          • Guy z

            Can we agree that 45% is still a minority of democratic voters? jesus!

          • Robert K Wright

            Your irrational rankings and unwillingness to dialogue make you sound just as fucking crazy as you claim these supposed “Bernie Bros”. And you try to lay claim that there was no evidence of rigging is laughable. If there isn’t any evidence of rigging, why did Donna Braille admit she gave Clinton debate questions? Oh, I guess that isn’t part of rigging the system. You, really I mean this, are ignorant and just as bad for the party as you think the Bros are. Maybe worse, because you can’t seem to engage your critical thought process.

          • danolgb

            You know, that was such a great help that Brazille told Hillary that someone was going to ask a question about water in a forum in Flint Michigan. I’m sure that question was completely unexpected. Thank God Brazille was there to let Hillary know about that being as Hillary had only been talking about the issues in Flint throughout her whole candidacy. That you guys are hung up on one stupid debate question shows how illogical you are. If Bernie lost because of one fucking debate question, then he really was a terrible candidate.
            And if you don’t think that Bernie didn’t have people sending him hints, you’re naive. But you know what, Bernie lost on his own. He lost because he didn’t do the ground work prior to the primaries that it takes to get elected. He was the only one who midstream demanded the rules be changed to suit him. Maybe it’s you who need to engage your critical thought processes.

          • Robert K Wright

            You are unhinged. Even when people admitted they broke the rules in favor of Clinton you act like nothing happened. You’re the problem, not the “Bernie Bro’s”. You can’t even accept documented and verified facts.

          • Guy z

            How did we get to “unhinged” in response to a “water is wet” explanation?

          • danolgb

            And again, if we had the privilege of looking at Bernie’s emails, we’d see pretty much the same damned thing. But still, that didn’t cost Bernie the election. Bernie cost Bernie the election.

          • HZ81

            Sidenote: I love how this clown claims there are no bros, but created a Disqus account to solely harass Clinton voters, obviously.

          • danolgb

            Yep. You’d think they’d be proud of themselves. They claim they don’t exist all while proving they do.

          • Guy z

            Please. Please I beg of you. Stop with this Russian tale of suppression. As a child, my parents took in some foster kids. My mother believed we were to treat each of them like our siblings…this meant seniority rules applied evenly.
            If one of these kids, who had been engrafted into our family, whilst bearing his/her last name, ate at our table, went on vacations with us, but consistently told everyone how horrid we were…how my parents were corrupt because they worked for an oil company, and how I needed to lose my position as class captain in favor of him because he had always maintained that parents must make money by tilling the soil, would it be horrid of me to insist that my family kick him out? Would it be horrid of my family members – who have watched me toil alongside my siblings – to support me instead of this new individual who wasn’t making an iota of effort to be truly engrafted?

          • AC

            easy, I just talk to my 20-year old son’s friends

          • picalane

            Well I suspect your 20-year old son’s friends hadn’t voted before, so what right do you have to expect them to vote for Hillary. It’s not like she earned their vote by calling them low-level researchers, and at the age of 20 I assume they were not members of the Democratic Party.

          • AC

            Jeesh the stupid runs deep in you, picalane. All I did was answer your question. What expectation? And, um, at the age of 75, Bernie isn’t a member of the Democratic Party either.

          • Robert K Wright

            Seriously, that ignorant trope again? He isn’t a democrat? He certainly was good enough for the party when he caucaused with us so we had the majority, and I dunno, helped pass some of the major legislation that wouldn’t have passed otherwise. This is a problem within the party, we use them up and then say they are no longer useful. Talk about “purity tests”.

          • danolgb

            Bernie made the choice to go back to independent after the election. By definition he’s not a Democrat. This is not a difficult thing to understand. He wasn’t a Democrat before the election either. He only chose to be a Democrat so he could have access to the DNC tools. He may caucus with the Democrats but he’s not a Democrat. That’s by his own choice.

          • AC

            Actually, he didn’t have to go back to anything, he never changed his affiliation.

          • AC

            Seriously, you might want to review what I was responding to. The only test I have is intelligence – you fail.

          • JCF

            “voted and campaigned for Hillary”

            Then we’re not talking about you. Chillax.

          • Guy z

            say what now? White and straight (and gay) = mostly Bernie folks IMH(nonwhite) opinion and experience. Notice the areas in which he dominated? Lily-white, decriminalized marijuana (i.e. mostly not the places in which people had been going to jail for being “420 friendly”)

          • danolgb

            I’m just saying that the ones in my personal life who seem to be the most rabidly-Bernie friendly and are the ones who lecture us on “identity politics” tend to be straight-white-males. I had a high school friend write a whole post about how he was tired about hearing of trans bathroom issues and wished trans people would shut up that they were causing a backlash. What he didn’t seem to understand was it wasn’t trans people who brought up the “bathroom” fight, but straight white males trying to deny them their humanity by passing laws barring them from using the bathroom of their gender. So according to these people, minorities aren’t allowed to fight back.

          • Todd20036

            I doubt the Berniecraps in this forum are russians.

            Merely willfully ignorant fucking idiots.

          • JWC

            Bernie Vermin sanders cannot crunch again

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            There were definitely russian subversives on this site making comments during the election cycle

          • JCF

            I reject the neologism “Berniecrats”. They (the Bros) ARE NOT DEMOCRATS. And ergo, they should have NO say in the Democratic Party!

          • Librarykid

            I am glad that they are in accord with 45. They helped elect him.

          • Misutaa Roboto

            A lot of nominal leftists are Russian stooges too (Jill Stein comes to mind). Russia was aware of the cracks they could exploit in the Democratic Party and they took full advantage of them.

            It’s disgusting to hear “purer than thou” types defend Vladimir Putin’s track record on human rights because he’s “done all right by his people”.

            It doesn’t help that a lot of them are little more than contrarians who are fine with being manipulated by an oppressive regime as long as it’s a foreign one.

          • Lawerence Collins

            Proof?! You just got caught lying to me about no Democrats challenging Bernie Sanders.

          • danolgb

            Go back and reread the article you posted. It does not in anyway refute what I said.

        • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

          CDS?

          • Todd20036

            Clinton derangement syndrome.

          • HZ81

            Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            Ahhh.

        • JWC

          It shows you how good of a candidate she was still winning that much and lost it to a cheat

        • Robert K Wright

          I really wish people would stop claiming people stayed home. Clinton won more votes than any other white candidate in history. You can’t say that and then say people stayed home, blah blah, blah….. And maybe, just maybe, she should have actually visited a couple of democratic states instead of taking them for granted. How do you not at least visit every one of the 50 states? She could have won MI, but she didn’t bother to pay them any attention. And complaining that Sanders also ran and there was an actual political race is ridiculous. Clinton didn’t hold back on her criticism of Obama, and she had a really tough race against him, but he turned around and won. And evidently many people seem to have forgotten all about the PUMA movement (a number if which voted for McCain….), while yelling about Old Man Sanders and his supporters. It took a full Presidential cycle before they got back into the Democratic Party swing of things. Again, Clinton received over three million more votes, no one sat home. That’s simply not true. More people voted in 2016 than voted in 2012. Those are facts. She lost due to her not campaigning everywhere and with a deluge of outside interference, Sanders was the least of her issues.

          • HZ81

            Actually, it is true. We have the #s. And we have Stein’s/Johnson’s #s as well. But I agree, it was a confluence of reasons why she “lost” —and I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I really, really not so sure that happened, especially knowing what we know about Manafort’s meetings.

            But I refuse to give anyone a pass who sat home self-righteously or pissed their vote away on losers. Not I.

          • Robert K Wright

            No, it’s not true. You claimed people sat home, and that isn’t true. Now you’re just being contrarian. It is a FACT that more people came out to vote in 2016. Now, when you keep trying to deny that verifiable fact, it makes you appear to be one of those fake news people. You are saying what is factual isn’t factual. When you can wrap your head around the truth that no one stayed home like you assert, then we can have an honest discussion, but until you can accept facts, any conversation with you is worthless.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/more-votes-were-cast-in-2016-than-in-2012-but-that-doesnt-mean-turnout-was-great/?utm_term=.1c55f1c94fd3

          • HZ81

            Oh, I am sorry. I thought you were interested in talking, but apparently, you dismiss all contrary info and facts to suit your narrative. I would say “use google” but you do so only to cherry-pick, it seems.

            Busting Berners stayed home, helping to set progress back decades for the folks who claim to be the “real progressives.” Lie to yourself all day and night to make yourself feel better about Berners fucking over LGBT people, POC and the country all you want. You don’t give a shit, anyway.

            You and the self-righteous shit-head brigade can follow Bernie all the way to 2020, lying to yourselves about the economic anxiety of the white working class and how gay people have to sit in the back of the bus or we’ll never win again. Go for it. Go do the white thing.

            Just block me now and leave me out of it. I’ve had all the bullshit I can bear from you and yours.

            Thanks for sharing, though. Meaningful. Have a good day.

      • another_steve

        Richard Nixon lost his 1960 bid against JFK and came back to win the presidency in 1968.

        You can lose once and then later come back to win.

        • Carl

          I know, but that was generations ago. Grover Cleveland served two nonconsecutive terms, but that’s not likely to happen again either. I think Americans have settled on the idea you only get one shot. And after you lose, they get sick of you.

          • Lazycrockett

            Dems yes, Reps no.

        • JWC

          I think back then it was a popularity contest Nixons 5 oclock shadow made him un trust worthy on TV Debate Kennedy w as fresh and bouncy hoe one downfall was Catholic The next time Nixon ran he was the lesser of 2 evils

          • Robert K Wright

            How one appears on the small screen sure has an affect on who wins. Nixon set the standard and Clinton proved it. If she could have appeared at rallies and on tv as likable and as “real” as she did during the Benghazi hearings she would have won. Unfortunately the likeable personality she has when she’s actually on the job is not the same personality she has when campaigning. She got it right when she said she doesn’t campaign well like Bill. She’s a great office holder, but a lousy campaigner. I’m not sure why they dismantled the public persona she had as Secretary. She was much more accessible at that point than at any point as Candidate Clinton and had she stayed that way she may have won… Anyway, I’m looking at HarrIs in 2020, I like one term Senators for the win.

          • JWC

            It’s sadly judging a book by its cover

      • Librarykid

        Of course, Nixon did not stop at one try.

    • BeaverTales

      Al Gore was our rightful president if it weren’t for Florida’s clusterfuck political intrigue and a corrupt and partisan Supreme Court.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        “a corrupt and partisan Supreme Court”

        Very strong words, BeaverTales, but I happen to agree!

    • Librarykid

      And she was promised she would be treated worse by the republican congress and senate once elected. I am glad that she escaped that, but it is our nation’s loss. Get out and vote in future elections so that there cannot be questionable results.

    • Lawerence Collins

      So… do you not remember 2008?!?

      • HZ81

        I certainly do. I t was a close primary, unlike 2016.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but I think someone changed Trump’s Twitter account password and won’t give it to him. There have been no batshit crazy tweets in a couple of days and today all his account has is re-tweets.

  • DumbHairyApe

    Misogyny is ugly, old, stupid, racist white guys who work as news anchors while model-like women in low cut dresses “serve” as co-anchors on major news networks…this country will never elect a woman until some MAJOR changes occur in our society which is more misogynistic than anything else.

    • Do Something Nice

      It goes beyond that. 42% of women voted for Trump. Sure a majority voted for Clinton, but 42%? WTF is wrong with them?

      • DumbHairyApe

        Oh, all kinds of people can be persuaded and brainwashed/indoctrinated/self-decieved to vote against their own self-interest. Look at the Log Cabin Republicans.

        • Lazycrockett

          You are talking to one.

          • Do Something Nice

            Fuck off.

          • JWC

            oh well sorry to hear that heheh

          • DumbHairyApe

            Seriously, why are you one?

            It seems to me that it’s typically all about “the money” with those who are gay and support Trump and the GOP. Do you pull the voting lever with disgust for the candidates or issues, but really, really get-off on their hoped tax breaks for the rich? I’m really interested in knowing.

            Is money more important to you than rights???

          • Carl

            He’s not identifying as Log Cabin Republican. I think Lazyrockett was calling Do Something Nice brainwashed/indoctrinated/self-decieved.

          • JWC

            Log Cabiners are not my fav but won’t judge you for your choice

      • JWC

        Women voters were weird. believe that women are harder on a woman candidate in ways that others don’t fully understand With no specific reason they simply did NOT like Hillary when asked WHY “I just don’t” How do you beat that

        • Lazycrockett

          Women are raised in this society to be in competition with each other from birth.

          • JWC

            Could be Would that then mean That Kamela Harris would be in default because she is female

      • Berdawn Hutchinson

        Actually, it was 53%

        • ultragreen

          Those were married white women.

  • j.martindale

    This is a good thing. She did a great job, and I am proud of her efforts, but no one wins on a third attempt. And it is time for a new face. She is smart. This is smart.

  • DumbHairyApe

    There is much talk about a Biden and Kamela Harris ticket…I could get behind that, but I’d rather see it flipped- at least in my ideal world.

    • Lazycrockett

      Biden fails in primaries every single time hes run. The media loves to stick it to Uncle Joe. It will be the same.

      • DumbHairyApe

        How about Kamela Harris and that young Kennedy kid??? Might be nice to have a young Kenney VP.

      • Friday

        Though, frankly, it’d be a lot harder to sell his little ‘gaffes’ as outrageous or something after all this shit.

        • danolgb

          Right? Howard Dean’s yell would be a “Meh” these days.

    • JWC

      Biden is a good guy but the DNC needs a slate of entirely new blood new. Ideas Listen to the American people tell Goldman sachs et all to either take a back seat or get out of the car and catch the next bus

    • Friday

      Maybe, though honestly if it happens to be a white guy this time it could be harder for the Right to play to its racism and misogyny… They’ve been relying so *heavily* on that that it could really goof up Republican strategy and all this stuff they been doing.

      Of course, really, I’ll just be looking at who can get the most done, probably whoever I figure is the smartest one in the room. 🙂

    • Gerry Fisher

      Biden will be 77 during the election year. It’s not a good idea to run him.

    • Leo

      Nope. Nope. Sorry, but I feel obligated to have little faith in the Rust Belt Obama-to-Trump flippers and I’ll give my cynical answer: it’d be seen as an enormous gimmick and they’d fail spectacularly. The socialist/elitist angle would be blasted 24/7 by the Druge/Fox cabal and work on too many people.

    • Queensbridge

      You know Biden, for all his good blue-collar talk, represented Delaware and was known as the senator from MBNA (google it), represented the credit card companies and their horrible practices, and also pushed through the heinous bankruptcy bill that has fucked over so many Americans. And Harris, well, who knows, right, the media and establishment Dems have pushed her but frankly, blank slate.

  • Michael White

    Ms. Clinton has served our nation in many ways. Thanks so much for your service under attack by the heinous republiCONs. Please mentor the next generation of candidates.

  • Jeffrey

    She was the best candidate. She Understood the job. She had detailed policy and experience.

  • Jeffrey
    • safari

      I think a drag queen would make a great disaster / war correspondent.

      • JWC

        You know it. Sorry the other day,you. in an honest bid to mention the eartquake in Mexico,you were not acknowledged I live in Canada so I got BC Wildfires Mexico earthquake and hurricane and OH yes Harvey and Irma. It has always been the case. Rightly or wrongly the US news is pretty much self absorbed. If it doesn’t involve the US then there is little or no interest

    • Beagle

      I hope the cow that flew by is okay.

      • Friday

        I think that was Supercow headed to the rescue. I heard theme music. 🙂

      • Carl

        That’s Bat Cow. He’ll be fine.

    • jerry

      More proof that drag queens cause hurricanes…see: Butterfly Effect. /s

  • safari
  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Hillary Clinton, thank you for all that you have done for America.

  • Lazycrockett

    Irma is gonna destroy Naples.

    • danolgb

      I have friends near who couldn’t evacuate. Everyone thinks it’s easy to get up and go. It’s not.

  • another_steve

    Unbelievable, surreal, that this classy and articulate person lost to an amoral and criminal sleezebag like Donald Trump.

    Someone please wake me up when this is all over.

  • May as well. So as long as we have a centerist boys club who think anyone who isn’t an old white dude isn’t “pure” enough and are okay with voting for white supremacists, it’s gonna be hard for any non-white non-male candidate to win.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJYQcp9V4AA-eq0.jpg

    (I was gonna write “OT”, but actually I think this is very much on topic)

    • Zellaby

      And where are you scampering off to Rush?

  • Ninja0980

    The Bernie Bots want us to rally around Tulsi Gabbard.
    That is a joke considering how much many of them tried to make Hillary being anti-LGBT and how nothing she did would change that.
    I would encourage them to look up Tulsi’s history and how she fully supported her vile father when he pushed for (and won) a same sex marriage ban in Hawaii and how some of her best buddies in Congress have been Aaron Schock and Tom Cotton.
    That and she is all about sucking up to monsters like Assad.
    But because she worships St. Bernie, that is the Democratic purists need and we aren’t supposed to call her out at all.
    Fuck that.

    • Friday

      That’s cause their real agenda is to promote the most division among the non-Right possible, while supporting whoever it’d be convenient to the Right to *run against.*

    • Dramphooey

      I’m fully expecting them to tell us how progressive Ron Paul was.

    • Leo

      There was mention on a Daily Kos comment thread a few months ago from a tech expert on the dozens of social media handles supporting Tulsi Gubbard being deliberate bots, most from Russia. They’re already starting to prep for 2020. I don’t have the energy to look for the link right now, but this is no longer speculation.

      She tries and she’ll go down in flames in the primary. That lei and perm of hers hides WAY too many skeletons and profound naivete.

      • UrsusArctos

        Religious fundamentalism gives her to the top of my “NO list”. As Barry Goldwater said (more or less) “you can’t negotiate with true believers”.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I’m surprised they’re not endorsing Trump.

    • ultragreen

      Nope, we do not want to rally around Tulsi Gabbard. That’s not how we think.

  • Tomcat

    The kids are running the shitshow of politics anymore so I just do not care what happens in America’s future.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly
    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Much, very much, of this online strife is Russian-generated from fake accounts.

    • danolgb

      Ah.. the concern trolling.

    • ultragreen

      They are partially on the same side anyway.

    • Carl

      We can’t both sides this away. We have to call out the people who claim to be “True Progressives” but are not acting in good faith now. This is becoming the new “tolerate their intolerance”.

  • kareemachan

    But she’d still be a good head of State Dept.

    • Friday

      I wonder if she’d do Chief of Staff just so she can smile at whoever wants to get into the Oval Office. 🙂

  • I have my issues with Sec Clinton but I respect her. She’s smart and works very hard. She still has a lot to offer out country. I’m glad she’s going to be involved in some way.

  • David L. Caster

    Good. Go enjoy your grandkids and forget about politics. You tried and it didn’t work out. Take care.

  • bkmn

    I look forward to hearing more of her criticism of Trump and the GOP in public and loudly

  • JWC

    So people whilst we are waiting for IRMA/s progress lets compile a list of who we would like to see on the DNC ticket 5 for Prez 5 for VPrez Your choce not some polls suggestion

    • safari

      Maxine Waters. I honestly know nothing about her positions on anything, but she can get an excited turnout.

      • Ninja0980

        Lot of baggage in her closet though.
        Suffice to say, she’s best where she is at in the House.

        • SoCalGal20

          I agree. She’s also nearly 80 years old. But she’d be great in the House as a committee chair.

        • UrsusArctos

          She has so much baggage staying in the house is going to get rougher and rougher for her, and I LOVES the Maxine attitude. No one in DC does better side-eye and over-the glasses before handing someone their ass than Auntie Maxine.

      • SoCalGal20

        And the millenials love her!

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          LOL

      • JWC

        Maxine id good but i believe she shoots from the lip

    • houstonray

      Xavier Becerra…Pres, VP, he’s a dynamic speaker, well rounded, smart, Hispanic, and (sad that it should matter but ultimately it does) he is very telegenic.

      • JWC

        oh well accorrd to some we have had a black muslim followed by a mentaly handicapped I think the field should be wide opened

      • SoCalGal20

        And speaks Spanish which is also important.

    • TuuxKabin

      I’d like to hear more about and from, not in any particular order:

      Rep. Beto O’Rourke
      Sen. Kamala Harris
      Mayor Pete Buttigieg
      Sen. Brian Sims
      California AG, Xavier Beccera
      Sen. Tammy Duckworth

      Then start a wish list. Thanks for the idea.

      • JWC

        thats a start Gavin newsome has been bandedy about but I am still not there

        • Tor

          He’s got the looks and hair.

          • JWC

            hehe needs more than that

          • Cuberly

            Ugh, he still does that slicked back thing. He’s had that look since before he was an SF supervisor.

        • Lazycrockett

          Newsom has been sitting on the pot way too long.

          • SoCalGal20

            He’s going to be governor of CA after Jerry Brown anyway so effectively one of the most powerful governors in the country.

          • JWC

            agreed any talk show he has been on it he last 18 months he has been campaiging

          • JWC

            agreed let him stay in CA

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Newsom turned down running for Boxer’s seat because he said repeatedly he wants to stay in California, and according to all those close to him, being CA governor has been his grand goal all along.

          • JWC

            He may better serve there and be happy

          • Cuberly

            I think it’s the smarter path for him really.

            He has some baggage which has been remarkably ignored, But if he were to run for Prez probably a good idea to serve as Governor first.

      • Dramphooey

        Let’s cleanse this list of all the neoliberals and make it a truly progressive list of people.

        Mayor Pete Buttigieg
        Sen. Brian Sims
        California AG, Xavier Beccera

        Wait a minute, wait a minute! Oh my gosh, I can’t believe the mistake I almost made. Beto O’Rourke is actually Robert “Beto” O’Rourke! I saw it as “Betty.” I mistakenly thought he had one of those non progressive vaginas! Sorry, everybody!

        • TuuxKabin

          Apart from Beto O’Rourke’s experience and ‘agenda’ I like his name. Beto. Had cousins named Beto. Robert. Gilbert. Hubert. Male names ending in ‘ert’ become Beto’s for short.

          #;o)

      • SoCalGal20

        Sen. Elizabeth Warren
        Sen. Al Franken
        Sen. Chris Murphy

        • m_lp_ql_m

          Franken/Takei 2020

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I like all of those people, but really, none of them is positioned for a presidential run.

        O’Rourke is looking well-situated to possibly defeat Cruz next year; if he just manages to do that, that’ll be huge for Dems and the country and a good building-block for his future. Harris, Duckworth and Becerra are brand-new in their positions and not ready for a presidential run. Sims is a state rep in Pennsylvania and doesn’t even have all that much clout within the PA state Dem party, as the PA-2 congressional race showed. Buttigieg is a mayor of a rather small city who gets an inordinate amount of media attention based on what he has actually done.

        Really, Eric Garcetti would be a more realistic candidate, and I don’t think Garcetti would be an especially good candidate. He won his last re-election with something like 90% of the vote. But of course, that is L.A., which doesn’t usually translate to the national electorate.

        • Treant

          ^^ This. I don’t think any of the ones you mentioned–except perhaps Duckworth–could possibly be ready for a Presidential run in 2020. The others would have to take a direct jump into the Senate or a Governorship to be considered at all, and even then, unless you’re close to a full first term I’m going to look very hard into what you’ve done.

          Let’s face it. This is such a disaster that, in 2020, we’re going to require somebody who already knows where the levers of power are, how to pull them, and how to restore a functional government quickly. That’s not a job for a neophyte.

          It’s also not a job for a pie-in-the-sky politician. You need somebody who realizes that he’s going to have to get his hands a little dirty and compromise.

    • Treant

      It seems kind of pointless. At the equivalent moment in 2005, Obama wasn’t on anybody’s radar. There’s no current buzz about the Presidency in 2020 just yet, either.

      • SoCalGal20

        It’s always fun to speculate and make wish lists (at least for me).

        • JWC

          Any boulder requires a mamouth effort to start it rolling This society wishes to stand by and take pics on their iPhones and move on No involment

          • Treant

            Actually, any boulder that’s going to start rolling is always at a higher potential energy than the location it’ll roll to and minimal effort is generally required to get it started. Rolling a boulder uphill is hard enough that we actually call it a Sisyphean task.

            Plus, I wouldn’t generally say, but you’ve certainly been off today…spellcheck is your friend.

      • JWC

        no being critical but if ther are two things on JMG that piss me off is A) the people who complain of their current situation and B) spurn any suggestion to change that

        • Treant

          A) Our current situation sucks, obviously. B) These are not suggestions to change that, they’re personal wish lists for “who’s gonna run.” None have committed, possibly aren’t interested, some are clearly currently unqualified, and may or may not even be in government in four years.

          Not being critical or anything…but…

          • JWC

            so get it started Its your countryWant anothe more minite of Trump

          • Treant

            Non-substantive. I’ve just told you I don’t consider these lists to be anything but, essentially, mental jerking off. Fun, but useless in any real sense.

            Call me when people who want to run start declaring in 2019.

          • JWC

            so shoo the messenger I don’t care

          • Treant

            (Hand you your toys and shows you the door). Not substantive, once again.

          • JWC

            Understand Treant,I don’t even live in your country, and here you can be dismissive. All I am trying to do and all I have ever tried to do on here is to fire up some enthusiasm to get rid of the yellow scurge All i ever get is ; can’t, don’t, won’t and a whole litenay of negativism Why do I care? because the average Ameican doesn’t . Will I stop? NO .Does this piss you off? I Don’t care Treating me like a little kid , I have been called worse by better

          • Treant

            Not substantive. I posit that you don’t get American politics well enough to realize what actually works–supporting the candidates who choose to run, even if they aren’t scoring 100% on one’s Own Personal Outlook Sheet. Then supporting that candidate’s, and hopefully office-holder’s initiatives that match your own, while suggesting changes to those that aren’t compatible.

            If you’re getting a whole “litenay [sic] of negativism,” it usually means you’re not helping.

          • JWC

            I understand US politics far better than a lot of Americans do I also understaqnd British and canadian politics What is yourproblem you seem a tad defensive

          • Treant

            [Citation required]. And the one making claims of understanding greater than those who live here is the one who’s clearly defensive. 🙂

            But no matter.

          • JWC

            oh piss off snowflake

          • Treant

            [citation required] because I’m not the one currently getting irritated and snowflaking out. And getting ever more defensive. It’s kind of fun, actually, to ride your ass, you react nicely and squeal like a little pig.

            Honestly, display some political acumen and that would end the argument. Other than that, simply go away, I won’t bother to follow you, you’re not worth my time to pursue.

          • JWC

            oh fuck it el blocko time

          • Treant

            Waves bye-bye. This time, the Bernie Bot blocked me. Snowflake.

        • danolgb

          C.. people who complain about people complaining.

          • JWC

            D) refusing to be complacent with complainersNo one is going to take you hand and get you off your asses

          • Treant

            E) Refusing to pretend that something that’s a game actually accomplishes anything. People like to because it makes them feel better about not actually doing anything substantive later on, but…

  • DrRobY

    Good! Now Bernie, it’s your turn to get out of presidential politics.

    • bambinoitaliano

      He will go about it in a passive aggressive way and begrudgingly withdrawing the way he did in the last election. Causing as much damage as he can on his way out.

    • ultragreen

      Apparently it is impossible to discuss Hillary without also mentioning Bernie.

      • DrRobY

        Well yes.

  • Natty Enquirer

    What is with this plague of misusing the word literally? One cannot figuratively believe something.

  • Michael R

    What had happened was …
    people voted for a child instead of an adult .
    ( and by child I mean an evil 70 year old racist fraud piece of shit )

  • StSean

    Meh.

  • Leo

    OT. Whole story’s must read. CIA officials afraid to come forward on-the-record saying the CIA is turning into The Handmaid’s Tale on Pompeo’s watch. https://twitter.com/benpauker/status/906263266418204672

    • JWC

      This GOP Lockstep agenda must stop

    • Treant

      Shocker. What are they doing about it?

      • Ninja0980

        Nothing at all.

        • Treant

          Shocker. ‘Cause it seems to me this violates several laws regarding employment in the Federal sphere, as well as possibly being a direct violation of some core tenets and Amendments of our Constitution.

          So, y’know, they could sue and all.

          • Ninja0980

            They could but you just know Alito, Gorsuch etc. will gladly uphold crap like this.

          • Treant

            I’m beginning to think that bringing clear-cut, obvious cases is the only way to assure that the public finally notices how bad the Supremes actually are. Nothing obscure like Citizens United, but far more plain like “Black people can get jobs here.”

          • Ninja0980

            That and the lower courts.
            I don’t understand why our side ignores the courts the way they have and allowed the Republicans to take it over with right wing hacks.
            Sad to say, but only with Roe gone or Dreamers being deported will they see that.
            Damn shame it has to be that way.

          • Treant

            Clueless, although we haven’t been in any real position to pack the courts in quite a while. And during that term, they hammered out Obamacare instead–which I’m not unhappy about, actually, it was simply an opportunity cost in terms of the courts.

    • Gigi

      Is this article available anywhere else? I don’t have a subscription.

      • SoCalGal20

        I don’t know what message you’re getting but on my phone it prompts me to close the pop up and you can read the article.

        • Gigi

          It opened on my second try. The first time it asked me to buy a subscription.

  • MikeBx2

    No one will wish Hillary had become POTUS more than Trump. The worst days are yet to come for him.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Tens of thousands of Americans in three key states called Trump’s bluff.

    • Treant

      You can already see he’s viciously unhappy and rapidly destabilizing. It’s gonna get even better when New York State brings him to trial and he’s finally told by Ivanka (who wrote it up as “Goodnight, Jail Cell Door”) that he can’t pardon himself on state charges.

      Then the federal charges start to hit…

  • bambinoitaliano
    • Treant

      Yeah, that’ll happen. I’ll leave when the Governor orders or recommends it, and my ass won’t be back until the all clear is given. It’s not like the local Pizza Slut in St. Pete’s is going to have power 72 hours after Irma anyway.

      And the phone lines will be down! What are they gonna do, call? 🙂

    • UrsusArctos

      That’s “nice”. Will they also pay those employees if the location can’t reopen because of damage or no utilities. Yeah, funny that. Assholes.

      • Treant

        I’m sure they sent a copy of this to Florida Power and Light (or whatever the power company is) to make sure they’re a priority in getting the lights back on.

        Gotta have your pizza!

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      The lower the wage, the more demanding the bosses are.

      • safari

        Another example of the poor tax

      • Treant

        I’ve found that, back when I was fresh out of college and temping until I found my First Real Job.

        A few times, I pointed out that jobs of this caliber were a dime a dozen, required no references, and I could have another one tomorrow. So stop demanding that I program your database to automatically inform you of required reorders.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      responsibility and commitment to the community profits

      FTFY

    • safari

      Hurry up and … no power or water or phones

      • bambinoitaliano

        And if you don’t see our delivery guy swimming towards your door within an hour of your order, you will get it for free. Courtesy of Pizza Hut’s employees wages.

    • SoCalGal20

      Right to work! /s

    • Ninja0980

      If there’s no power, who are the folks going to call and complain to if their order doesn’t show up?

      • bambinoitaliano

        I’m sorry sir, your order was lost in the surge. Our team of diving employees are looking to recover your order.

  • I love dim sum

    Hillary’s book makes me glad once again I voted for Jill Stein.

    • Treant

      You mean the book you haven’t read yet because it isn’t out until Tuesday? So the book you’re lying about above, and have no intention of reading? That book?

      Yeah, enjoy life on my Killfile.

      • I love dim sum

        Thanks, I am enjoying life not interacting with simpletons like you.

      • Yeah, this one’s a fucking dumbass.

        • Treant

          Aren’t they all? I see from the “This user is blocked” notice below your post that it got cute and replied to me. Whatever, I don’t have to read that shit. 🙂

          I need to write a script that replaces that with “This user is a fuckwad.”

          • SoCalGal20

            You’re definitely not missing anything lol.

          • Treant

            Quelle surprise, eh? 🙂 Yeah, quality was sadly lacking with this troll. We used to get good trolls, but they seem to have left us. Now we just get the Russian trash.

          • The saddest part is… Jill Stein is an open Trump supporter. she wanted Trump to win. She’s okay with Trump shitting all over the environment– and thus a traitor to the Green Party– as long as he wins over Hillary. Much like the closeted little troll.

          • bambinoitaliano
          • I love dim sum

            you do realize that the Clintons were at many dinners with Putin too, right?

          • yes b’y
          • ultragreen

            Bill Clinton received a $500,000 speaking fee in Moscow.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Hey all. You don’t have to be a troll to love dim sum. Don’t let the attention whore ruined your enjoyment of a Chinese cuisine.

        • Treant

          No worries, I love a good dim sum. I just hate a bad dum jillpill.

        • SoCalGal20

          Dim sum is a favorite! The Stein bot/Russian troll won’t ruin it for me. 🙂

        • Dramphooey

          I love how he tries to scare us by saying people about one step above rolling their shit in little balls and eating crayons will never vote for the Democratic Party again.

          • bambinoitaliano

            Ha! I blocked the troll after just one post. Not gonna feed him with any attention.

          • Treant

            “Is that the timeline where everybody eats poop?”

            https://youtu.be/Q8hZhVIBmPU?t=1m5s

      • OdieDenCO

        oh noes! youse has condemned him to kill.

        well done!

    • SoCalGal20
      • I love dim sum

        I’m tacky, and I’ll only vote 3rd party after Hillary ruined the Democratic party. 2016 was the first time I voted Green Party and I’m still incredibly proud of that.

        • askDominick

          You are simply too dim sum for words. A gullible sap played by right wing oppo.

          • I love dim sum

            Do you think thats going to make me go back to voting for Democratic candidates? I left the party because of abusive people like you.

          • Dramphooey

            Bye, Felicia.

          • askDominick

            Frankly you can fuck off with you pathetic and deceitful play at blackmail.

          • I love dim sum

            Why should I vote for a Democratic candidate when you are so uncivil? I’m not going to be treated like an abused spouse being held hostage.

          • askDominick

            Bye Dim. Your reindeer games aren’t working on me.

          • I love dim sum

            Goodbye…..I have left and won’t be voting for a Democratic candidate ever again.

          • stevenj

            An “abused spouse” would leave. A smart one that is. You don’t seem very smart.

          • I love dim sum

            Which is exactly what I’ve done, I’ve changed my registration to Green Party, I did so last year.

          • stevenj

            You just said you were leaving. Scram.

          • I love dim sum

            Do you really think your attitude is going to win Democratic seats? It’s not.

          • stevenj

            My attitude ? You came here on the attack. You sound like an aggressive angry man whose candidate came in…..what ? Last?

          • I love dim sum

            My ‘attacks’ are pretty light, compared to the over the top vitriol coming from the people on here still sucking their thumbs over Hillary losing.

          • stevenj

            You POOR victim.

          • PickyPecker

            You’re littering this thread with your senseless prattle. Time to take out the trash.
            http://ohn1.slausworks.netdna-cdn.com/newohnblog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Blocked.jpg

          • Tulle Christensen

            yea screw yourself over cause you feel some people you do not know were mean to you on the internet

            makes sense

          • I love dim sum

            You people sound like brainwashed cult members that begrudge people that managed to escape.

          • stevenj

            “abusive”
            Look in the mirror.

          • I love dim sum

            Yes, accuse the victim of what you are guilty of. Hillary is famous for that too.

          • stevenj

            You POOR victim.

        • SoCalGal20

          Susan, is that you?

          • Treant

            BURRRRRRNNNNN!

        • danolgb

          Everyone knows that POTUS is the logical next step up after basically HOA board member.

          • I love dim sum

            I’d rather vote for that, than someone who oversaw drone strikes against innocent women and children in Yemen and called minorities ‘superpredators’

          • danolgb

            Blah blah blah.

          • I love dim sum

            Glad to know that Hillary supporters think women and children getting slaughtered is funny. Really shows how feminist all of you truly are.

          • danolgb

            Didn’t say it was funny. Just over the oversimplification you idiots follow. And over 15 comment obvious sockpuppet trolls such as yourself.

          • I love dim sum

            sockpuppets aren’t able to vote. I however, am able to. And come next year, I’ll only be voting for 3rd party candidates.

          • I love dim sum

            Not an oversimplification, just a fact.

          • evan_or

            …and it does seem a shame that you won’t see a future with me, because you’re oh so easy to block… Buh bye.

        • yes b’y
          • I love dim sum

            This Slate article, and yet you support a sociopathic woman who blames all of her failures on everybody else.

          • yes b’y
          • Treant

            I love that they felt the need to caption this.

            Also, the singer looks a wee bit like a worn out Joel Osteen.

          • Dramphooey

            WTF is that?! I can’t stop laughing.

      • Reality.Bites

        How dare you waste Kurt on this troll?

  • bambinoitaliano
  • billbear1961
    • Treant

      Is that Jose coming in?

      (There’s a chance of it, but a low chance due to the configuration of the weather systems, like there’s a low chance of it hitting Philly or NYC.

      • billbear1961

        It is the advent of Justice on storm clouds of righteous RAGE!

      • billbear1961

        That is a lovely new flower, T!

        • Treant

          Another dahlia, a Thomas A. Edison in this case. 8″ across, velvety violet, but not that durable in a vase (four to five days tops). I’m discontinuing the Duet and Jennifer’s Wedding and cloning my existing Edison three times, currently on the heater in my office.

          • Bill Davis

            Purple is the colour of Imperial MAJESTY!

          • Treant

            And in flower meanings, success, dignity, accomplishment, and admiration.

          • Bill Davis

            Oops, I’ve been over to Political Wire as Bill Davis!

          • Treant

            Figured.

  • I love dim sum

    Fortunately there are plenty of LGBT people that aren’t brainwashed Hillary bootlickers……I like Mike Figuredo’s Humanist Report program. He’s gay and he’s actually a true progressive.

    • Nobody cares, homocon.

      • I love dim sum

        The program I mentioned above is progressive, that’s the opposite of a homocon.

    • Halou

      Does “lesser of two evils” mean anything to you Bernie / Stein lot?

      I’d bet that even if Ted Cruz lifetime friend of evangelical faith state enthusiasts and sodomy ban advocates, even if he won the GOP nomination, you’d be saying “Well, at least it’s not Hillary!”

      • I love dim sum

        The lesser of two evils, is still very evil.

        So yes it actually does mean something to me, apparently it doesnt to you though.

      • Dramphooey

        Stein voters want the greater of two evils. They are convinced Stein would be the greater evil and vote accordingly.

      • I love dim sum

        Hillary would have done the same thing as Cruz to LGBT people. She would have said like she always does,

        “Oh, I’ve been given some new information which has caused me to reconsider my stance, therefore I’ll be sending gay people to re-education camps”

        • Dramphooey

          You think you can scare us by saying people that think like you are going to go third party? People that believe that sort of nonsense are already third party if they vote at all.

        • Tread

          And with this, you officially go on the “unhinged nutcase” list.

    • stevenj

      Whose boots do you lick?

      • SoCalGal20

        Putin’s.

        • I love dim sum

          The McCarthy era is over…….so is the Cold War. This red baiting nonsense is pathetic. You sound like a Republican with all of this Red Scare rubbish.

          • Tread

            You sound like a liar, so there’s that.

      • Reality.Bites

        I love trolls who let me know I can safely block them in their first post. (Dim sum, not you)

        • stevenj

          An ancient Chinese proverb says, “When lights to bright, dim sum”. Somebody’s lights aren’t too bright. (not you).

  • safari

    Can we take a moment to remember how much of a attention-whore Ann Coulter is?
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/906876843667619840

    • Treant

      Really? Because the Miami feed I was using showed heavy as hell rain at 6 AM, modest winds, and then it went out as the power failed.

      • bambinoitaliano

        She just regurgitated Rush Limbaugh’s script from her stable.

    • bambinoitaliano

      If horsy skeletor is looking for a thrill she should replace one of the front line weatherman at the Keys.

      • Man, what did Skeletor do to you? I mean, yeah, he did try to take over Eternia and all but to be compared to Coulter? That’s low.

    • billbear1961

      That irresponsible bitch won’t be satisfied until hundreds or thousands DIE in a killer storm! (Then, you wouldn’t be able to FIND her!)

      Florida has been lucky SO FAR, and she’s SNIDE about it!

      That the media treat the liars and extremists on the right with respect is DISGUSTING, and it’s why–the main reason why–we’re at such dire risk of LOSING our democracy!

    • SoCalGal20
      • Reality.Bites

        Really? I always figured her for being tied to a tree herself.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Won’t somebody please think of Ann Coulter!

      https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-13-2014/3Vv4m0.gif

    • Cuberly
    • ultragreen

      I would rather not pay any attention to her. She is insignificant.

    • zhera
    • OdieDenCO

      she’s mental. you do not mock people in the middle of a catastrophe.

  • SoCalGal20

    This looks like one of those disaster movies.

    https://twitter.com/bbcpauladams/status/906944281373528064

    • Ninja0980

      But Coulter and others said it was boring there.

      • bambinoitaliano

        If you believe a snow flake who bitch about her leg room from a flight.

      • SoCalGal20

        RVAwonk on twitter had the perfect reply to Ann Coulter.

        https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/906903128473325568

        • billbear1961

          COULTER should be tied to a tree during a hurricane since they’re NOTHING to worry about!

          • johncAtl

            You could have put the period after “tree.”

            Edit: exclamation point instead of period.

      • TimCA

        I’d love to drop Coulter right in the middle of that storm surge that SoCalGal20 posted. I wonder if she’d drown or like the Wicked Witch of the West, simply melt first?

    • ultragreen

      The Miami downtown area has been flooded with storm water. This is well known.

      I doubt Ann Coulter is even in the Miami area. She was probably one of the first people to flee the storm.

  • SoCalGal20

    Oh, and this happened the other day.

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/906616465314299909

    • billbear1961

      The GOP are TRAITORS!

      What legitimate authority can the GANGSTERS claim?

      NONE!!

      • SoCalGal20

        BB, all they’ve got is bullshit like this. *sigh*

        • billbear1961

          They’d be shitting in their pants if the massive and relentless protests which are needed to DRIVE racist dictator Dump from office ever materialize!!

  • m_lp_ql_m

    How to detect a Russian hacker (effectively, if not in actuality):
    1)Hillbro
    2)BernieBot
    3)SteinerWiner
    4)People who still insist on, after all these months, blaming one or more of the above for Trump.

    Just ignore it.

    • I love dim sum

      Apparently facts and evidence are proof of Russian hacking.

    • Treant

      Can I at least make a snarky, mean comment, add them to my block list, and THEN ignore them?

      Seriously, my people’s livers don’t process bile properly and we must be nasty or else we die.

      https://youtu.be/hmBO1tujWNI?t=55s

      • m_lp_ql_m

        No – snarky, mean comments actually fuel it, even if you ignore right after. Just ignore from the get-go.

        • Treant

          NOOOOOOOOOO!

    • SoCalGal20

      And they’re so fucking BORING.

    • ultragreen

      You’ve got it backwards: It’s ‘Hillbot’ and ‘BernieBro’, not ‘Hillbro’ and ‘BernieBot.’

  • That_Looks_Delicious
    • Cuberly

      Donnie is probably ripping Donnie Jr. & his lawyers a new one after his f’d up admissions of guilt this past week.

  • SoCalGal20
  • SoCalGal20

    Just happened about 5 minutes ago.

    https://twitter.com/nwsmiami/status/906957629121015809

    • PickyPecker

      Naples is going to be hit really hard.

      • m_lp_ql_m

        That’s what my boyfriend tells me.. oh, wait… you said “Naples”.

  • SoCalGal20

    Another contruction crane fell in Miami.

    https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/906957687128240129

  • Canadian Observer

    While on paper H. Clinton was probably the most qualified candidate to run for the presidency in my lifetime, I am quite glad to hear she does not intend to put herself forward as a candidate for office in the future. My response has zero to do with H. Clinton herself, and everything to do with the recognition that the loony right in the U.S. (esp. Fox News and right wing talk radio types like Limbaugh) practically came into their own based on their unreasoned hatred of her – their strongest vitriol was always reserved for her, even while it was her spouse who held the presidency. They so effectively “poisoned the well” that it is not reasonable that she could overcome the electorate’s impression of her, an impression formed by decades of foaming hatred out of the mouths of Limbaugh et al.

    • SoCalGal20

      The frustrating thing being that they were aided and abetted by pretty much all MSM. It sucks.

      • Ross

        Yep.

        Sigh.

      • Ninja0980

        Not to mention by many in our own party.

      • Canadian Observer

        Yep, although I have a smidgen of sympathy for the MSM… how on earth do you refute a non-ending stream of lies and vitriol without coming across as being a partisan of the one being targeted by the lies and hatred? That is something I hope someone can find a solution to BEFORE the next time the U.S. goes to the polls to elect a new president.

        • billbear1961

          It is just incredible to me that people fear sticking up for the truth because it may make them appear biased, when sticking up for the truth is as far as you can get from being biased!!

        • SoCalGal20

          Well they could have started by covering Hillary’s POLICY positions instead of every ridiculous and provable lie. They could have stopped giving Trump free advertising by time and again showing his campaign rallies in full, to the point of preferring to show an empty podium while waiting for Trump rather than showing a Hillary rally. They could have stopped with the “whataboutism” with Hillary while ignoring all the awful shit Trump was saying and doing. And they could admit their culpability and failure to the American people.

  • SoCalGal20

    Newsweek has scoop that officials believe Russia used UN diplomatic facilities to help sway the election for Trump.

    https://twitter.com/chrisriotta/status/906930336977833984

  • ultragreen

    Hillary is too involved with religion these days to become a politician. Now she wants to be certified as a layperson Methodist preacher.

    • leastyebejudged

      lol, it’s funny to me that people are still propping her up even now, the same people that pretend to be so anti-religion – when it suits them.

    • Zellaby

      Read what you wrote & read it again, & then read it again. Take a look at your country & how it’s run, then read what you wrote, & again, until you realise you are part of the problem.

      • ultragreen

        I’ve stated the facts. When the truth becomes part of the problem, then you know that the country is screwed.

  • Cuberly
    • Treant

      Ann Coulter, honey, go out and check that it’s calm and boring like you claimed it was.

    • billbear1961

      But Coulter said all was well!

      How, oh, how, can this BE??

    • safari

      This has been in my head all day
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0in244FNk8E

      • danolgb

        I always wanted to hear the first place song.

      • Cuberly

        HA!

  • Zellaby

    Hillary, kick off your shoes & sit back for a bit. You’ve earned it. Then, inspire the next generation. That way you will come back fighting. . . . . .

    • Tomcat

      Inspiring the next generation,,,, LMAOROF. You mean inspire Berniebots?

      • danolgb

        Everyone’s a socialist until they move out of the house and get a job.

        • Zellaby

          Then you’ve never been a socialist with a job have you? You doofus. . . . . .

          • danolgb

            Are you having a bad day? You seem to be lashing out at everyone. Maybe take a nap.

          • Zellaby

            Maybe you should be a grown-up & show your face?

          • danolgb

            Wow. You really do seem to have issues. You’re not the owner of this blog, so you don’t really get a say in what others do, but you don’t even seem to know who you’re lashing out at. Or as we like to say stateside, FUCK OFF.

          • Zellaby

            O we’ve resorted to swearing in caps now have we? Grey-blob-face suits by the way. . . .

          • Zellaby

            #ImStillWithHer

          • danolgb

            And that’s why I’m confused. So am I. That’s why I’m confused at why you’re lashing out at both Hillary and Bernie supporters.

        • Zellaby

          Nice avatar btw. Suits you. The grey. . . .

      • Zellaby

        You wait, she will you tosspot.

      • Zellaby

        Nice avatar by the way. Suits you. The grey. . . .

    • ultragreen

      “Inspire the next generation.” That’s funny. She couldn’t even inspire the millenials.

      • Zellaby

        She will you numpty. . .

    • leastyebejudged

      Jesus you idiots are determined to lose us more elections.

      • Zellaby

        I didn’t say I wanted her to stand, inspire others. Is that so bad?

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – If anybody wants to laugh until your sides hurt, check out the responses to the County tweet telling people not to shoot at the hurricane. OMFG it’s hilarious.

    My favorite:

    https://twitter.com/BigMoneyMike1/status/906578130734915585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Faurora-news.us%2Fgun-control-org-instructs-people-not-to-shoot-at-hurricane-irma-the-responses-are-hilarious%2F

  • Ninja0980
    • leastyebejudged

      You’re both fucking retarded.

      Keep handing those victories to the GOP ya dumb c*nts.

      • danolgb

        Misogynist and ableist. Geeze! That sounds progressive!

        • leastyebejudged

          Keep lying and being a little c*nt, that’ll definitely serve you well.

          • Tread

            You can’t even cünt right, dipshit.

      • Dramphooey

        Just to be clear were you referring to Amir and Peter M. Sullivan or someone here?

        • danolgb

          Oh no.. least resorted to telling Hillary supporters to kill themselves last week. He’s talking to us. He’s turned particularly nasty.

          • Dramphooey

            Well, that’s a shame.

          • Tread

            Start flagging his comments. I’m fucking sick of assholes like him. NO ONE should be telling anyone here to kill themselves.

    • Treant

      That’s the Bernie that doesn’t “believe” in “identity politics,” right? We mean the one that doesn’t fight for anybody’s rights and actually rebuffed LBGT activists? That Bernie?

      Yeah, your cousin is doing it wrong.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Yes, I am back….if only because Esteban is getting a tad annoyed with my constant doting. So, while I won’t necessarily be posting on every subject, I have come back because so much needs to be said. Permit me to start with this response to the dear Amir….

      https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/906969738596810759

      https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/906969942590926850

      https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/906970154269118466

      https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/906970652082622464

      • -M-

        Hola!

      • Ross

        Hello again, Jean-Marc!!!!!!!!

    • Blake J Butler

      I don’t support losers.

      There i said it.

      She won he lost get over it, support the nominee who won fair and square or squall like a spoiled little bitch.

  • justme

    But who will Republicants have to use as a scapegoat to hide behind

    ??

    • Dramphooey

      Chelsea is in line to be Farmer Jones and she hasn’t made one political move I can discern.

  • leastyebejudged

    Finally, now can we move on and find some leadership for the DNC ?

    • justme

      and here’s a song for all your misery..
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcEWhbQkEg

    • ultragreen

      The DNC is still stuck in the Clinton/Gore/Kerry past. There is scant evidence of a learning curve.

      • Zellaby

        So many words in this sentence but little intelligence & throw in “learning curve”. At least this numpty has an avatar unlike the rest of them tonight. . . .

      • Queensbridge

        Right? you would think they’d been winning as opposed to being on the verge of extinction. 2 more states fall under Republican control and they can hold a constitutional convention. Problem is there’s no accountability, the same leaders, the same party members, the same consultants, doesn’t matter if they win or lose, hey they get paid. Clinton blew through a billion dollars, and as Van Jones said, where did it go, sure didn’t go out to the states where it was needed. Anecdotally I know one young mid-level Dem consultant who’s worked on various (losing) campaigns, tough but just bought a nice 2+ million brownstone in Brooklyn. At least the closeness of the Ellison/Perez election shows that alot of the DNC members know they need to change or disappear.

  • pablo

    Obama pushing Decal Patrick probably scared her off.

  • DaddyRay

    Hillary has always been more of a policy wonk. She doesn’t have the charisma Bill or Obama has. We need Policy Wonks to hammer out detailed thought out policy, not the yahoos in the Republican party who think they can create healthcare policy on the back of a bar napkin.

  • safari
    • safari

      Dan is the WH director of social media.

      • Max_1

        Like Dan said, only the best people…

        LOLOLOlololololo…

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I guess we should be grateful he didn’t tweet out Pepe the frog.

    • MikeBx2

      The Miami Airport was too kind. Should have used the word “moron” or at least hashtagged #fakenews

  • CharlestonDave
  • MikeBx2
    • SoCalGal20

      How many of his Trump properties there will he “visit”? And will he hold a rally?

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Yes, he’s buying new beachfront property in Gainesville.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Lazycrockett

      We should get people in to the Keys before sunset.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Yikes. Wasn’t that building supposed to be super-hurricane-proof?

  • Michael

    She definitely has talent seeing I doubt there’s ANYONE in America that could remind everyone of us, like she is doing now, exactly why Trump won and actually makes it seems plausible and slightly reasonable.

    She should just go away. Now. For good.

    Clinton is HATED by many Americans and she is only driving this feeling much deeper. Only those die-hard Clintonites, the ones who couldn’t fathom betting on a horse that EVERY poll indicated would beat Trump by wider margins was a good idea, aren’t negatively affected by her actions now in the past few days.

    • Dramphooey

      Hillary: “I Am Done With Being A Candidate”

      • Michael

        Most of America: “Too little, too late.”

        • Dramphooey

          You guys are not the most of America. You’re not even the Donny Most of America. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/24605ebd876d65847d10be038c6c766d74219bcb41d51d2d0865cbb6fb18ec20.jpg

          • Michael

            Too funny.

            Yes, I already know Joe My God is filled with a bunch of old bitter nelly queens.

            Thanks for the reminder.

          • Dramphooey

            He came to trigger but was triggered himself.

          • Michael

            Dude, the only trigger people like you give me to is to remind me I should close the refrigerator door.

          • Tread

            Speak for yourself, Dorothy.

          • Michael

            Oh the irony is completely lost on you, isn’t it?

            And, yes, I’m a little bitter. Seeing Clinton and dealing with the Cintonites on here totally reminds me you guys did NOT give a f*ck about reality when ALL OF THE POLLS told us Sanders would beat Trump by wider margins then she would have. In fact, Clinton was NEVER out of the margin of error but YOU GUYS DID NOT CARE and deiced to risk it all instead of betting on the horse that would have won.

            So, yes, I’m a bit bitter.

          • Ross

            Oh, Michael! You are simply a caution!

            You are holding on SO tight to some polls which, WAY before the general election, predicted X.

            But you see, dear, holding on to such a prediction is like betting on what the weather will be…ten months in advance.

            You will lose.

          • Mikey

            the polls NEVER indicated such a thing, because Sanders NEVER got anywhere near to being attacked by the Republicans.
            Had he gotten even a tiny portion of the relentless assault that Clinton got, his approval rating would have been in the toilet.

            Even now, his approval rating is based on pure BS. Nothing he says is ever challenged, so his approval rating is entirely meaningless.

          • Tread

            Trust everyone else here. We’re tired of talking to your BernieBros about reality when you completely reject it. Bernie lost the primary. He doesn’t have the chops. You want to sit there and blame Clinton for Trump, but you need to take a good hard look in the mirror instead of doubling down on the bullshit poll that says he would have beaten Trump. You clearly have no knowledge of middle America if you think Bernie would have beat Trump. He would have been painted as a communist from minute one. Middle America hates communists.

          • Ginger Snap

            “Old Bitter Nelly queens” really name calling? I’m an Old Nelly Queen and I’ve fought long and hard to be who I am so please stop using language that harms our community.

    • SoCalGal20

      Bernie reminds every fucking time he’s on tv trashing the Dems despite the fact that he’s not a Dem. 🙂

      • Michael

        Oh you mean those hundreds of thousands of people who waited in lines for hours and hours to hear him speak.

        And exactly how long were the lines for Clinton?

        • Dramphooey

          Apparently she had the longer lines at the polls.

          • Michael

            Apparently you would have to RIG the primary in order to win every neck to neck.

            Apparently the head of the DNC was given the boot after it was discovered they plotted against Bernie.

            Apparently this shit didn’t matter to you guys.

          • Dramphooey

            The email to which you are referring was mainly chatter and none of it indicated any action on their part. They were allowed an opinion on the candidates.

          • Michael

            Wow you really have to strive to be ignorant at all turns to think she had no part in it.

            Shit like this is why Trump won. NONE of you gave a f*ck what Clinton did as long as she was the candidate and neither did she.

          • Mikey

            *proof*.
            that’s what is required, not your incessant whining and baseless accusations.
            no matter how often you repeat them, that doesn’t make them *proof*.
            how about going on something more than innuendo or misrepresentation of facts?

          • Ross

            Apparently facts don’t matter to you.

          • Mikey

            apparently facts don’t matter to BernieBros.

        • SoCalGal20

          I’ve fucking figured out that a bunch of privileged, misogynist, racist Bernie bros just COULD NOT allow a highly qualified and competent woman to be president so now we’re stuck with a narcissitic sociopath toddler for a president. Thanks!

          • Michael

            Yeah, if you want to thank someone go thank the guy staring at you in the mirror.

            Clinton being a woman had NOTHING to do with it you f*ckhead. I would rather have Elizabeth Warren run than Bernie Sanders so try again.

          • NZArtist

            Here’s reality:
            You live in a First Past the Post electoral system. Over time this polarizes the field of political parties into only two. The reason for this is the smaller parties dont get *any* share of power unless they break a 50% threshold in an electorate.
            Because that doesn’t happen, people tend to (correctly) believe their vote for a third party candidate will be wasted. So they are left with two parties. At the same time the electorate moves to two parties, the two parties become more extremem and more ‘partisan’ – less willing to compromise. This is simply because they dont have to.
            As a result of that, people tend to hate both parties and dont vote a party *in* to power, the vote the other guys *out*. (That reinforces the two-party system – you vote for the party most likely to get the ‘other’ party out of power).
            The long-term solution to this is to work at the local government level to promote candidates who support proportional-representation systems of elections. This gives proportions of goverment representation to parties who receive a proportion of votes. Third (and other) parties actually *do* get some representation in government without having to break an impossible threshold. As a result of that, all parties tend toward the more moderate – or rather, the more moderate parties get the more votes.
            In the *short* term, you have to decide which of your two main parties is the least horrible. And regardless of whether or not your preferred candidate for that party ‘wins the primaries’, you should do everything in your power to ensure your preferred party wins. This is because you’ve already determined the other party is worse.
            If you bitch about how your preferred candidate didn’t win the primaries you end up sabotaging your own outcomes and increasing the likelihood the worse party gets into power.
            So stop trying to make the exact same mistake that got Donald Trump into power, take a reality pill, and work toward actually improving your system of government.

        • Ross

          The long WERE longer for Hillary than Bernie.

          At the voting booths for the primary.

    • ultragreen

      Hillary Clinton has a lower approval rating than Trump, according to the polls. And Trump’s approval rating is low. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders remains the most popular senator in the U.S. senate.

      • Michael

        WHAT?

        You mean the polls tell us the people like Bernie more than they like Clinton? More than they like Trump?

        WHAT?

        You mean if, for example, a poll (much less ALL of them) told us he could beat Trump by wider margins than Clinton then we probably should pick him as the person to run against Trump?

        WHAT?

        You mean if, for example, we picked Clinton and she lost then everyone who sided with her rather than Sanders should, oh I don’t know, BLAME THEMSELVES when she loses and he wins?

        WHAT?

      • Ross

        Hillary Clinton has been named the most admired woman in America for the past FIFTEEN consecutive years, by Gallup.

  • Max_1
    • HZ81

      Oh, my I am dying laughing Thank you, MAx.

      • Max_1

        I like the earbuds tangled in her hairbrush…

  • ultragreen

    Hurricane Irma has made a 2nd landfall at Marco Island, just south of Naples. This low-lying area is highly developed and affluent.

    • billbear1961

      Nature doesn’t give a FUCK about the rich.

      SHE treats us all EQUALLY.

      How this must GALL the VAMPIRES!

      Too bad, for them, that their fucking propaganda doesn’t impress the EARTH!!

    • AmeriCanadian

      VERY affluent. I was going to retire there and had purchased land when it was affordable (after 2008 “recession”). Prices have almost tripled since then. I said thanks but no thanks.

  • Tiger Quinn

    I will get RIGHT in the face of anybody who says she should not run again – it took Russian interference and a complicit GOP to take her down, and she STILL WON BY 3 MILLION VOTES.

    • Michael

      She lost. TWICE.

      • Ross

        No.

        She lost only ONE general election.

        And it increasingly looks like that was because the election was stolen.

        • Michael

          Kinda like how she stole the primary.

          I know you guys don’t want to face that fact but there’s no chance in hell she would have won every neck to neck primary race against Sanders unless she rigged it. Numbers, ie a true neck to neck race, would NEVER work like that in the real world.

          And, no, she technically lost TWICE. She LOST in the primary the first time and thus, technically, lost.

          • Ross

            Yes, dear.

          • Queensbridge

            And she lost to a black guy named Hussein that no one had ever heard of; should have clued some in as to her viability as a candidate. And now, she’s poling at 30% approval, worse than Trump. Somehow these dead-enders just can’t get it they’re on the wrong side of history

          • NZArtist

            Except that that attitude put Donald Trump into power. Good for you.

          • Queensbridge

            No, a candidate has one job and one job only, that’s to get to get to 270 electoral votes. In spite of spending almost a billion dollars she failed at that and we’re all paying the price. No one is under any obligation to vote for anyone, that’s the candidate’s job, to get people to vote for them. What part of that do you not understand?

          • NZArtist

            The part where your bitching about your preferred candidate got Donald Trump into power. Stop being a big baby. You can shout and rail at the gods and scream and whine and have all the tantrum you like.
            The reality is you’re in a two-party system because you’re in a first-past-the-post electoral system. Your options are: Vote for the least-horrible party *regardless of the candidate*, or the other party gets into power (and you get Donald Trump for president).
            There are no other options. That is the reality.
            For all the bitching about Hillary as candidate, how many third parties have any representation in your government?
            So… stop your goddamned bitching, and work with the actual reality.

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            Truth!

          • Queensbridge

            Dude, your gal is currently polling at 30% approval rating, less than Trump, which is an accomplishment, you and the other dead enders are certainly on the right side of history. Now in her book she’s even blaming the Women’s March, saying why didn’t they turn out for me. Sounds familiar, right? It’s their fault!

          • NZArtist

            Dude, not my gal – I’m not even in your country.
            I’ll repeat and make it simple for the brain-impaired: There were exactly two choices at the election just gone: Vote for the party (of two) you most prefer to be in government, or allow the party you least prefer to get into power.
            Anything else is just masturbation.

          • Queensbridge

            Dude you expect to be taken seriously posting using language like brain-impaired (or for that matter pretentiously posting as an “artist,” lol.

          • NZArtist

            I never expect to be taken seriously. Do you?
            But, please, do tell me what definition of ‘Artist’ you have that you feel I’m not living up to.
            Was there anything about the content of my post you feel you can address, or is it all about the guy making the post?

          • Queensbridge

            Bro, I know many real artists here in New York, who show and are professional, involved in Leslie Lohman and the like and none of them would ever be so pretentious as to label themselves “Artist” on blog, please. Secondly, you post was totally lacking in any intellectual rigor, you presume to know who I voted for and then give a twelve-year old’s interpretation of how the winner-take-all (what we call it here in the States, not first-past-the-post, at lest get the terminology right, again, sloppy), to someone who’s been an activist since the days of Vietnam and AIDS. Just a joke, and frankly given the amount of time you spend posting on a gay American politics thread, I can’t help but think you don’t have alot else going on.

          • NZArtist

            Blimey. So I cant be an artist because I call myself one (even if I make my living off art), I use terminology which correctly describes your political system but isn’t your preferred terminology, and because I’m able to post here I cant be busy. Gotcha.
            So, about the points I made… Oh never mind… This far down a thread no-one else is reading anyway.

    • billbear1961

      Well said–it is simply the TRUTH.

      It also took complicit MEDIA!

      • Ross

        I will forever damn the media for its role.

      • JWC

        Both are still there and Hillarys popularity isn’t. It’s not so much if Hillary should run or not but what the DNC can use to block Trump/Pence. I f it is Hillary then by all means but if they are going to use the same Krypton bullet then no

      • Mikey

        “complicit media”.. an actual case of “fake news” if ever there was one (I mean the media, not your comment) . the media never stopped repeating lie after lie after lie. they profited from their own lies and innuendo.

        The “complicit media” (I like that term) were in LARGE part responsible for the destruction of democracy in the US.

    • greenmanTN

      I do believe this election was stolen, but I also don’t think Hillary should run again. That’s partly due to her age, and the fact that it’s now impossible to change the narrative after 25+ years of right wing attacks. It isn’t fair, but it’s reality. Plus, she deserves some time out of the spotlight and can perhaps be more effective behind the scenes. Nothing against her personally, just seeing through the looking glass of our current political landscape in which reality is skewed.

  • ultragreen

    I guess neither guns nor prayer can keep Irma away from Florida. Predictive models that are based on science are right again.

  • Michael

    So now HRC will be labeled a quitter by the pundits and the media.

    • Ross

      Hillary could find a cure for cancer and the pundits and the media would find a way to attack her for it.

      • JWC

        HRC , more than anyone,s.deserves to leave public life and rest on her laurel She has many, and can basically extend a finger to her detractors

      • JCF

        “She’s ‘Nanny-Stating’ those manfully taking on a challenge!”

        Yup.

  • Max_1

    IMO… Facebook is evil and needs to go… Shuttered.
    Forced closure by the Feds would be nice. They sold our Democracy out…

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/906931725812584448

    • JWC

      Fuckleberg is far more dangerous than you imagine

    • leastyebejudged

      The majority wins !

      every time.

  • Max_1
    • Lazycrockett

      The racist and sexist took the term deplorables and wore it as a badge of honor. Everything she would/could have done over would have been held to the same harsh light.

      • Max_1

        I think had she turned around during that debate and said, “Get out of my space… Stop trying to grab mine…” He would have been toast.

        • Lazycrockett

          Too emotional, frightened woman in the Oval Office…………..

          • JWC

            compared to what they have now??

          • JCF

            Are you sarcasm-challenged?

          • JWC

            Not at all very sarcastic myself

          • JWC

            Where did that come from

        • JCF

          No, she would have been seen as “shrill & hysterical”. “She can’t stand up to Trump standing 10 feet behind her, how will she stand up to ISIS and North Korea?”

          • greenmanTN

            Perhaps not if she had just turned around and asked “Is there some reason you’re following me around the stage, Donald? It’s kind of weird.”

  • Anthony_Central_IL

    Hillary will run a racist campaign when it suits her interests, as she did in 2008 against Obama. Excerpt from Hillary’s interview (quoted in the New York Times, link here:

    “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in the interview, citing an article by The Associated Press. It “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. There’s a pattern emerging here,” she said.

    Also, her quote in this recent interview about email: “The most important of the mistakes I made was using personal email.” Colin Powell also used his personal email account for State Department business on occasion. I don’t think anyone considered that a problem because it’s easy to mistakenly use the wrong email account when, like most people, you have more than one email account. What Colin Powell didn’t do was ask computer systems professionals to set up a computer server in his home which archived the one and only copy of all State Department emails. The only possible motive for that would be to have the luxury of deleting the only copy of any email you choose in the future, thereby circumventing the Freedom of Information Act and any future government inquiry.

    • Ross

      Yes, dear.

      • Anthony_Central_IL

        You have to practice any skill or you get rusty—playing a musical instrument, speaking a foreign language, etc. It’s been so long since the folks in the “identity-politics” camp have tried to form a convincing counter-argument that they can’t do it anymore. Use it or lose it.

        • Ross

          Yes, dear.

        • andrew

          Define what you mean by “identity politics.”

          • Anthony_Central_IL

            Consciously turning voters against each other based on race and gender. Examples:
            (1) Hillary’s suggestion that whites would not support Obama in the general election of 2008 (which they did).
            (2) Hillary’s non-stop premise that anyone who voted for her did the right thing by “making history” and electing the “first female president.”
            (3) Hillary’s contention in the above interview that those who voted against her (in both 2008 and 2016) did so out of misogyny rather than disagreeing with her.
            (4) Hillary’s infomercial after the recent election in which she stated “Yes, the future is female.” Apart from being unbearably silly, what the hell is that supposed to mean?
            (5) Hillary mentioning racial and gender groups whose support she sought BY NAME in one campaign appearance after another—while conspicuously omitting whites and men. If you’re going to mention racial and gender groups by name, you’d better mention them all. The ones who are excluded will notice and won’t vote for you. Funny how that works.
            (6) Hillary calling voters racists, sexists and homophobes when they’re not.
            (7) Expecting voters to vote for a candidate and/or party that obviously doesn’t like them.

          • Anthony_Central_IL

            Consciously turning voters against each other based on race and gender. Examples:
            (1) Hillary’s suggestion that whites would not support Obama in the general election of 2008 (which they did).
            (2) Hillary’s non-stop premise that anyone who voted for her did the right thing by “making history” and electing the “first female president.”
            (3) Hillary’s contention in the above interview that those who voted against her (in both 2008 and 2016) did so out of misogyny rather than disagreeing with her.
            (4) Hillary’s infomercial after the recent election in which she stated “Yes, the future is female.” Apart from being unbearably silly, what the hell is that supposed to mean?
            (5) Hillary mentioning racial and gender groups whose support she sought BY NAME in one campaign appearance after another—while conspicuously omitting whites and men. If you’re going to mention racial and gender groups by name, you’d better mention them all. The ones who are excluded will notice and won’t vote for you. Funny how that works.
            (6) Hillary calling voters racists, sexists and homophobes when they’re not.
            (7) Expecting voters to vote for a candidate and/or party that obviously doesn’t like them.

        • stevenj

          “Identity politics”
          The Republican code phrase that turns the word “diversity” into a dirty word.

  • andrew

    I and about 66,000,000 other Americans voted for Hillary to be POTUS. She would have been an outstanding president. She deserves to be an important voice in American politics, but I am happy that she will not be a candidate in 2020. Hillary like other progressives such as Biden, Warren and Sanders need to continue to be progressive voices in our national debates but should encourage the next generation of Democrats to lead the Party and run for office.

    • I love dim sum

      Hillary is not progressive though, she’s a center-right Republican at best.

      • andrew

        I think she stands solidly with the center left progressive Democrats like Obama, Bill Clinton, Carter, Gore, Kerry, Humphrey, LBJ, JFK and most of the outstanding leaders of the Democratic Party for the last 60+ years.

        • JWC

          will and does that banner still fly after Bernie and Trump stomped it to the ground

          • andrew

            I would hardly say “stomped it to the ground” when 66,000,000 Americans voted for it.

          • JWC

            wow is there still that many in support

          • andrew

            Neither of us can read minds but we shall see what happens in 2018.

      • NZArtist

        And therefore, Donald Trump! Yay!

      • stevenj

        Jill Stein is a loser.

  • JCF

    America…well, the Electoral College failed to be worthy of you, Hillary. Not putting yourself through this SHIT again? I don’t blame you a bit. [Shit, if I were you, I’d move to Canada w/o a second thought! But you’re better than I am.]

  • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

    D R A F T

  • SDG

    Good idea.

  • bear on the peaks

    It’s pathetic the fetid two-party system, and all the comments on here from people trapped in, and holding up, that paradigm. And this non-stop ridiculous Russia nonsense. Why is homophobia, Islamophobia, sexism and ageism wrong but bashing and blaming the Russians for everything okay? The American political system is toxic. Trump won because he wasn’t in the “club.” Go ahead.. bash me, troll me, bully me. It won’t change the fact that Hillary Clinton is the poster child for what’s wrong with our political system.

    • NZArtist

      Point by point:
      1) I’m not trapped in or upholding your two-party paradigm. My country has proportional representation. It’s a good thing.
      2) Homophobia, islamophobia, sexism and ageism are wrong because they’re denigrating groups because of who they are. Blaming Russia is right because: a) they’re working to weaken your country by interfering with your elections, b) they’re a foreign power working to undermine your government and rights, c) it’s not Russian’s per se the blame is on, rather the efforts of the Russian government. Russians are great people, as a rule. The Russian government, not so much.
      3) Trump won because he (and the people supporting him) exploited the politics of deceit and division. And because of meddling by others in your elections.
      4) You’re getting bogged down in ‘candidates’. As you pointed out earlier, the elections is about party – you have a two-party system. Trump has now given you conservative supreme court justices who will be with you for decades (probably), a more unstable lump of rock to live on. (Unstable in terms of survivability)
      5) Bash you? Okay, you’re an idiot.

  • bear on the peaks

    It’s pathetic the fetid two-party system, and all the comments on here from people trapped in, and holding up, that paradigm. And this non-stop ridiculous Russia nonsense. Why is homophobia, Islamophobia, sexism and ageism wrong but bashing and blaming the Russians for everything okay? The American political system is toxic. Trump won because he wasn’t in the “club.” Go ahead.. bash me, troll me, bully me. It won’t change the fact that Hillary Clinton is the poster child for what’s wrong with our political system.

  • DaveMiller135

    Hillary Clinton came across as very Presidential, very much a leader, in the parts of the primary that I paid attention to, the debates. She, and especially her followers, also came across as arrogant, entitled and out of touch. My own father said he was voting for her because it was time for a woman President.

    During the primary and the election lead up, Clinton’s supporters really worked at turning away voters. “Bernie Sanders is stupid, and so are you. Oh, by the way, please vote for Clinton.” And then the election hinged on the professional politician being bested at Electoral math by the ADHD idiot. As the majority of comments here show, the Clintonians haven’t learned a thing. And until they can learn to take some responsibility, the Democrats won’t deserve to win another election.

    To be clear, I voted for Clinton in the election, because though I thought her supporters deserved 4 years of Trump, I don’t.

    • NZArtist

      Just one question: Do you feel the republicans and russians would *not* have undermined Bernie Sanders candidacy had he won the primaries?
      They would have played the ‘communist!’ card, the ‘Jew!’ card, the ‘Too old!’ card, the ‘Too radical history!’ card – that’s just what I can think of off the top of my head.
      Had he been the candidate, I’m confident he would have lost by an even larger margin than Hillary. You dont think he would have turned away conservative democrats?

  • Anthony_Central_IL

    The reply to Andrew’s question (under my comment) will be posted again, periodically.

    Hint: The fact that the moderators/blog owner will not show my reply to Andrew is why Democrats are doomed to keep losing elections.

  • patrick

    Good timing, Hillary – since I am so TOTALLY over you as a politician.

    • i just want her to work really hard for feminist causes. she is the very icon of all the things we want and need, when it comes to women’s issues. i don’t care for her politics. everyone knows that. but as a woman, which she has embraced in a fierce, proud way, she is a Leader. she and bill are rich now, C is doing great and will probably be a force in the world soon. they have nothing to worry about.

      mostly, politics really IS theater. she is an exception, in the sense that she took her jobs seriously. if anyone can carve a path to real leadership for the upcoming generations, via personal example, it’s her. i hope she does. also: i didn’t vote for the Traitor and she really did win. those are facts i want to be associated with every post about her for the rest of my life.

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  • The Professor

    She knows this result was a combination of both her own failings, circumstance and history, but ALSO of a dormant (but not gone) significant portion of ‘Muricans who just can’t get over the fact that the world is diversifying, technology is advancing, and leaving the US labor forces behind. Trump ripped the scab off, leaving all that raw and, coupled with the built in disadvantages of a majority 8 year party holding the Presidency, she lost. Even so, it was a pretty narrow loss of 70,000 votes in three states she should have spent more time in. This crap about Bernie winning? I don’t buy it. However, I have often played out a scenario of what might have happened had Hillary Clinton won: you think the Russia investigation is relentless? She would have had a hostile Congress, united in hatred for her, and the investigations and impeachment calls would have been unending. Trump would have continued to bluster, lie and whip up the worst in people from the outside and the Democrats would lose even further control in the states. We would have been spared Gorsuch (maybe), but what if she lost in 2020 and suddenly there were three liberal judges (Kennedy, Breyer, Ginsberg) to replace? I think what is happening instead, is that the worst underbelly of the deplorable is being exposed and it ain’t pretty. The in-fighting in the GOP couldn’t be more helpful and I am optimistic the Dems will retake the House and essentially lock in this nut bag until he is out in 2020 in another wave rejecting exactly how foul these people are. But as Trump winning proved, anything is possible. Even the victory of those who want to regress back into the 50s. I do believe Hillary being involved in any significant way does not do the Democrats any favors.

  • Chris Gardner

    I kind of like the idea of an unrestrained Hillary who says what she thinks. I think she can chew The Donald up and spit him back out. I hope she continues to speak truth to power.

  • stanhope

    True, they stole the election from her. I blame Al Gore. Some of you ask why? If he hadn’t been such a pussy and sued taking the case to the Supreme Court when he was robbed, this wouldn’t have happened. Well he made hundreds of millions of dollars since..so for him it turned out OK. Democrats need to stop rolling over. I was a grade ahead in elementary school. I figured out very early that should I ever be in a physical fight only a fool would fight “fair”. You fight to win not to be called a gentleman. FTS…[email protected] that [email protected] It’s time for Hillary to retire…Joe Biden was my guy and he would have won handily.

  • mattkorey

    There is just something really odd and off about the way some people respond to Hillary as if she is the antichrist. It says far more about them than it does about her.