GOP Fears Wave Of US House Retirements

The Hill reports:

Two moderate House Republicans announced surprise retirements this week, quickening the pulse of Republicans waiting to see if a wave of retirements will jeopardize the party’s path to holding the House majority in 2018.

As President Trump fuels uncertainty in Washington and his low approval rating raises question about whether the GOP can hold the House, there’s concern among Republicans that lawmakers facing tough reelection campaigns might begin to take the road of least resistance and retire.

Lawmakers intending to retire often announce their plans in the period between Labor Day and the end of the year. But this week’s decisions by Reps. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) and Charlie Dent (R-Pa.) to skip reelection bids in competitive districts have fanned speculation once again that the GOP will soon see more lawmakers heading for the exits.

There’s much more analysis at the link.

  • Will Parkinson

    Rats deserting the ship?

  • bkmn

    The constant drip, drip, drip of sewage that has become a river of sewage is too much for them? I didn’t think the GOP had any standards

  • Smokey

    Dent is my rep and was extremely partisan and anti-Obama until he saw where that path led. He’s become more moderate recently.

    • FAEN

      Yeah NOW. What an asshole.

  • David Walker

    Charlie Dent is my rep. We don’t agree on a lot, but he was one of the very few republicans who voted against the TrumpDon’tCare bill and was very quick in denouncing the racism in Charlottesville and calling out 45 BY NAME for his flippity floppity pig shit statements. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that Charlie is being forced out; this is not an area for republicans who actually vote their conscience and say what they feel.

    • Ninja0980

      That is what happened with the former Rep to the north of me, Richard Hanna.
      He was forced out of office.
      Can’t have a Republican that actually supports treating LGBT people as equal citizens and supports working across the aisle can we.

      • FAEN

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    • Gustav2

      The era of the gentleman or gentlewoman Republican is over.

      • Todd20036

        The GOP is dead.

        You now have democrats, and Nazis.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          Don’t forget the Utopian Anarchists or whatever the fuck our crazies can be rightly called

          • JoeNCA

            None of which have been elected to any office, hon.

          • RaygunsGoZap

            True. They got Donald in there, sugar.

    • Rick

      ‘[F]lippity floppity pig shit statements…’
      #lurve

    • TrueWords

      Career politicians need to be pushed out of office as many of them no longer align with the policies that are coming about in these modern times…in addition, I am so glad that gerrymandering is being challenged and ruled unconstitutional…this is NEEDED

      • John30013

        We’ll see is SCOTUS goes along with the gerrymandering argument this term (I do hope they find that political gerrymandering is unconstitutional, but that’s not a slam dunk by any means). There’s some hope that some proposed mathematical models will give the court a way to “measure” gerrymandering and form the basis of a test for when it becomes unconstitutional.

    • Is this a seat that Democrats might win in 2018? Especially without an incumbent running?

      • David Walker

        Unfortunately no. We’ve been gerrymandered to within an inch of our lives. Such carving should be allowed only for turkeys on Thanksgiving.

  • Chucktech

    I’m sorry, but I have pretty much lost faith in the American electorate. American voters are too stupid and hateful and bigoted, if not disengaged and apathetic. Add gerrymandering and voter suppression and Russians and the conclusion I come to is MAYBE we can not lose ground in 2018. Take back the Senate? Nope. Take back the House? You’re delusional.

    God, I hope I’m wrong.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Unless there is a massive mobilization NOW, nothing will have changed by the time the 2018 mid-terms come. I hope something will happen, but I’m not betting on it.

    • Lizard

      Please don’t forget that while millions and millions voted for Drumpf, millions more voted for the sensible candidate. We’re reaping the “rewards” of the Electoral College, a system that should have been overturned the minute everyone over 18 could vote.

      Also, historically the midterms have gone against the party in power as dissatisfied people turn out to vote.

      • Chucktech

        I wish I could agree. Millions and millions more can vote for the Dem candidate in House races, but gerrymandering still ensures that the Republican wins. Sweet dead jesus, I hope I’m wrong.

    • Lawerence Collins
      • Carl

        Speaking of stupid voters…

        There’s Nazis in charge and these motherfuckers just want to scream about Hillary Clinton for the rest of their lives.

        • JoeNCA

          And that Hillary Clinton, who spent a lifetime working up to a presidential bid, stole the nomination from someone who wasn’t even a member of the party.

          • Priya Lynn

            Oh bullshit. Bernie didn’t have anywhere near enough support to win the nomination.

          • Not what he’s saying.

      • Grumpy Old Man

        Wonder how Barks figured out turbans = muslim?

    • Carl

      That’s my fear. Trump might just be the beginning. Who cares how low his approval rating is if Republicans will turn out for any monster while flaky Dems insist tossing their votes away on infeasible candidates out of some misguided sense or purity. Meanwhile, the apathetic can’t point to Washington DC on a map, and just about everybody will believe anything they read on Facebook.

      • Librarykid

        And Facebook is willing to whore itself out to anything that makes money.

    • We could take back the House. It will take a wave election but that’s what’s coming. The Senate? Not this time. The GOP are only defending 8 seats all in solid red state. Democrats are defending 25 many of them in states that Trump won last year. There’s no way the Democrats take back the Senate. It would be a miracle if they don’t lose any seats. But the House? Hillary won in enough Congressional districts to have a House majority but Democrats didn’t even run candidates in some of those districts. Idiots. We need a serious candidate up for every seat. We can win back the House.

    • JCF

      I’m just afraid that Drumpf’s siding w/ Dems (re the debt limit & hurricane relief bill) will 1) raise Drumpf’s approval numbers and then, ironically, 2) raise ReTHUGlicans’ numbers!

      Listen, “Chuck & Nancy”: I see NO upside, to cooperating w/ Drumpf. ZERO! He is NOT “independent”, he can NEVER be Dems’ friend. Never! Stay his relentless opposition, PLEASE!

    • FogBound

      I’m so bewildered at the wide swath of people that buys into this rather extreme right-wing narrative. I look at my Facebook feed of high school “friends” from 1987, and I’m just so confused at how many of them are spewing vile and completely misinformed hatred. Tonight, one of them posted that “all liberals and Democrats are Jew haters.” It’s not like these people are the classic lunatic fringe element. They’re “nice” and “respectable” people who own “nice” homes, send their kids to “nice” schools, and they’re very “respectable.” That’s what scares the piss out of me – this is no longer on the fringe.

      • Chucktech

        “”all liberals and Democrats are Jew haters.””

        Wow, talk about 3D IMAX projection!

  • lymis

    I wonder how much of it is the fact that the GOP hasn’t had to do anything but be obstructive for nearly a decade, and they’re finding that now, people are actually expecting them to accomplish something.

    • FAEN

      When Obama was in office being obstructive shits WAS their accomplishment.

      Assholes.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup and those same people are now made that Democrats are giving Republicans a dose of their own medicine.
        Tough shit.

      • Nowhereman

        Stealing a Supreme Court seat was the worst. They have no shame.

        • FAEN

          None! Absolutely none!

        • Librarykid

          That was the closest thing to a coup d’ etat I have ever seen in this country. In a just country, the perpetrators would have been tried for treason.

    • Oh, Parker

      I think some of them never imagined they would end up having to be apologists for flat out racism and white nationalism. A lot of them went there hoping to line their pockets for sure, but some of them had to go there thinking they could do something productive for the country and are clearly disgusted their party has been hijacked by the cast of Hee Haw on crack.

    • greenmanTN
  • Henry Auvil

    I’m holding out for a wave of GOP congressmen committing hara kiri.

    • cleos_mom

      Followed by viral status on YouTube.

  • Gustav2

    And now the Teavangelicals will elect some right wing freak in the primary.

    It’s a good thing.

    • Chucktech

      …who will go on to being a freshman member in 2019.

      • Gustav2

        The ones retiring now are in districts Hillary won, but the district liked their almost normal rep.

      • Ninja0980

        What happened north of me.
        Moderate Republican got replaced by a Michelle Bachmann wannabee.

        • Gustav2

          Was that a solidly R district?

          • Ninja0980

            Sans 07-11 yes but of the Rockfeller Republican type, not far right teabagger kind, which is who Claudia Tenney is.
            Suffice to say Richard Hanna has no love for her at all.

    • Dramphooey

      I’m going to strike a middle ground between Chuck and you. These Republicans resigning means opportunity. However, I really don’t go along with relishing the opposition party nominating the worst because you just might get it. We got it last year and we got it before.

  • Pip

    I think the GOP being a bunch of worthless, evil asshats has jeapordized your chances of holding on to the majority… But you go ahead and focus on the retirees instead of fixing what’s really wrong. We’ll be over here pointing that out to the next generation of voters.

    • crewman

      I agree completely. But Democrats have real work to do. A lot of activists (let’s call them “enthusiasts”) in the party want the party to be more European-style progressive, which is a lot of what Bernie Sanders represented. I wholeheartedly supported Clinton, but I am also very open to becoming more of a modern progressive party rather than just a center-leaning Democratic party. This is a real tension we need to resolve in a way that doesn’t feel critical parts of the party feeling abandoned and resentful.

      • FAEN

        I have no problem evolving into a more progressive party as long as voters realize if it comes down to purity vs pragmatism, pragmatism better win out.

        • crewman

          Great point. But there is real judgement in knowing when to fight for idealism. Someone can always come along and say this is the time to be pragmatic, but that can’t be the option that wins every time. Pragmatism without idealism lacks vision and energy.

          • Gerry Fisher

            I think Obama was wise: he was largely a moderate, but pushed the envelope at the right moment to assist health care and LGBT rights.

        • Ninja0980

          Republicans voters know that, our side doesn’t.
          And judging by what Bernie bots like Konst, Turner etc. are doing, we won’t learn that any time soon.

          • FAEN

            Let’s hope we DO learn that lesson. Specially after this past election.

          • Ninja0980

            I would like to think we would but so many tweets from those folks and their ilk is worship Bernie, everyone else shut up, which includes folks like many of the JMGers here.
            Look, I have no problem with very liberal Democrats getting elected to office or fighting for that in our party.
            But if they do it by undermining other Democrats, nope.

          • Todd20036

            Yup, just ask “Say Something Nice”

  • Ninja0980

    Would be nice if this foretold a Democratic wave but I’m not holding my breath.
    Not only will Republicans still pull the R no matter what, Bernie Brats like Nomiki Konst are still pushing the notion any Democrat who doesn’t agree with Bernie 100% is a DINO and it’s better to stay home then vote for them.
    Sad to say, there will be too many folks that will listen to her while Bernie says nothing.
    Wish I was wrong.

    • jerry

      Yeah, Bernie was not electable and his followers (generally) were a cult. This was especially galling to some of us who have worked our entire life for progressive causes, and then being told we were corporate sellouts because we supported Hillary, or didn’t support Bernie’s specific language in the party platform.

  • another_steve

    Please… Who in their right mind would want to be an active participant in a political party that has as its head a con artist sexual predator collaborator with a sworn enemy of the United States?

    • Chucktech

      A fucking traitor who will cast a blind eye to all of that to further their agenda, that’s who. Plenty of them in the halls of Congress.

      • another_steve

        Hang them all. Or get out the guillotines.

        (Are there still ‘guillotines’?)

        • Chucktech

          Oh, hell, let’s do it the good ol’ gun luvin’ ‘Murikin way: Firing squad

          • another_steve

            Firing squads glorify gun use. Not good.

            Guillotines attract crowds. I’ve seen the movies about the French Revolution. I could set up a concession. Sell tickets and guillotine tchotchkes.

            The mobs would love it. I’d be a wealthy man.

          • misterjack

            Viva l’another_steve!

          • northern_neighbour

            In Canada we don’t allow the guillotine, or firing squad or lethal injection. The way to show enlightenment to treasonous criminals is life imprisonment, with some hard labour, with no parole, and they can write their weepy sociopathic sob story memoirs, and all proceeds to their victims.

            None of us should sink to their level, … that of taking another human life, no matter what horrible things they did. The world has bigger problems to attempt solution, and we probably don’t even have the time left any more, which is terribly sad. As the CO2 in the atmosphere continues to rise.

          • yes b’y
          • northern_neighbour

            !!!!!! Yeah, some of us Canucks are about that goofy!

          • another_steve

            I agree. All kidding aside, I’m opposed to the death penalty.

            Most executions in the world take place in China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United States. Civilized nations have abandoned the practice.

          • Kruhn

            Still Madame La Guillotine should be dusted off and put to good use with these bastards!

          • JWC

            And trunp would say just before The biggestg crowd……s…..

          • Christopher
          • another_steve

            Wait, wait… Are you trying to barge into my business plans ?!? There’s one person and one person only who will reap the profits here – ME.

            [sashays away to the other side of the blog, indignantly]

          • I have a guillotine but it’s for slicing bagels.

          • Mike in NC
          • jerry

            I hope the correct hex key and allen wrenches are included this time.

          • vorpal 😼

            If there were three umlauts, I would believe this more.

          • (((GC)))
          • FAEN

            Hey I’m curious-where in NC?

          • Mike in NC

            Raleigh, near NCSU.

          • FAEN

            Nice! It’s changed a lot since the 90’s and early 2000’s when I was there.

            Is Third Place still there?

          • Mike in NC

            Yes, it’s still there at Five Points, although I never patronized it; I’m more a Sadlacks (RIP) kind of guy.

          • FAEN

            No worries lol. How about Legends? Does it exist anymore?

          • Mike in NC

            Yes, Legends is still there, but CC’s and Our Place are gone, victims of gentrification.

          • FAEN

            I see.

          • Kruhn

            So commercial! LOL

          • Grumpy Old Man

            Especially if you knit.

          • Chucktech

            Let’s just say I’m not sure I’d have a problem with public executions of some of these fuckers.

        • Bluto
          • FAEN

            Because we’re intolerant of intolerance you Nazi shit.

          • JoeNCA

            Yup. Tolerance requires not tolerating the intolerant. A paradox, but makes complete sense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/45b1acce63076d97e331caad8851d87abaa62ab9d44cec33983a92023063ee13.jpg

          • ian

            It’s just that there are two different definitions of intolerance at work. One should be characterized as bigotry the other as opposition to bigotry. So the statement “intolerant of intolerance” is really “opposed to bigotry”. And that is simply the morally correct position. It is not paradoxical.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            +1000

          • Todd20036

            I dont tolerate Nazis. I never will

          • Nazis show at my uncles in WW2. If they fly that flag or wear that symbol or some coded version of it, they deserve whatever gets thrown at them.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          Wood chippers are the American guillotine!

    • Blake J Butler

      I’d say the same people that voted for a putin whore with ties to wall street while decrying the candidate of a major political party that she was bought and paid for by wall street and a war hawk that will involve us in another war.

      Who would have thought that a vote for trump or latte liberal stein would jeopardize the country and abroad ?

      • Ninja0980

        Anyone with a brain.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Supporting the shit gibbon regardless of party affiliation is equate to shoving fire crackers up one’s ass. The GOP is slow to realize.

    • JWC

      as one of them said “He’s am asshole…but he is our asshole” thats ownership

  • cleos_mom

    Little more than purging the quislings and enablers, but it might make 2018 more interesting.

  • Hue-Man

    Last Friday night PBS Newshour Shields & Gerson.

    MARK SHIELDS: So, every member of Congress has at least 250 people in his or her district who wants that seat. To be a member of Congress, obviously, you have to get elected. You have to be good at that business.

    And they have an extra olfactory nerve. They can smell the political winds that are blowing. In 2006, when the Democrats did won back the House from the Republicans, twice as many Republicans retired that year as did Democrats. And I think what you’re going to see is a number of Republicans. You have already seen some who are trying to run for governor or statewide office or the Senate, because, you know, it just — it doesn’t look like it’s going to be a great year, and not that they themselves — but it is no fun, believe me, to be in the House with the minority.

    All the power is with the majority. All the power is with the speaker and the committee chairs. And I think that does affect — I think Michael’s points are valid, but I think it does affect whether you do want to stay.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/shields-gerson-trumps-deal-democrats-dacas-demise/

    • JWC

      America is also fed up with no action of the GOP. Under 8 years of Obama , he passed a lot in spite of them. Now 8 months of Trump and dismal results. All that America has seen the uncooperative arrogance of the GOP I think “MAGA” has faded and people are looking more to Make America work again

  • Halou

    The departure of ‘moderate’ Republicans will be a chance for Donald to stack Congress with sycophants to give him everything he wants for at least another year and a half. As much damage as that is going to do to the country it will do more damage to the Republican party, with the departure of the ‘moderates’ also goes any deniability that they are merely the party of TrumpRussia.

  • BeaverTales

    This is a good time to retire. They will get free health care for life and 50% of their salary. They can make up the difference by going on speaking tours to Wall Street and to their churches. It’s a good time to grift without even having to show up at work….this is America!! Work is for suckers!

  • Blake J Butler

    They’ll have a lot more seats to defend and pump a whole lot more money to keep those seats in republican control. And they are swing districts, Reichert’s district swung for Hillary by 3 points last year.

    Imagine what could have happened if people actually turned out and voted correctly there would be a lot less drinking, marching, and therapy sessions undergoing because there would be more democratic control and the white house would have been occupied by Hillary.

    But that wasn’t to be because of spoiled bitches, indecisive voters hearing the last thing on their minds and it probably was Comey with his finger on the scale in favor of trump, and the democratic wing that for some fucking reason i will never know, why they did not come out and vote. The antithesis of republicans who voted for trump in fear that Hillary would have taken their guns and bibles away. Instead their healthcare, social security, jobs, were always at risk the moment he was called as the “winner” of the presidency.

    And this is here why we cannot have nice things, scratch that, have things period.

  • Lakeview Bob

    Did I ever mention that I hate republicans? This was never how I felt until after the Furor was elected. Anyone stupid enough to vote for the Furor is not a friend of mine.

  • RaygunsGoZap

    Well thank goodness Dave Reichert is going to GTFO. Now he’ll have more time to falsely claim key roles in the capture of more serial killers here in Washington State.

  • Lakeview Bob

    I wonder if Paul Ryan will run again. He is so reviled by the GOP in the house that I expect he might give up and go back to Wisconsin.

    • Chucktech

      Since when does a member of Congress consider retiring because other members are mean to them?

      • Lakeview Bob

        Since Ryan is likely to lose his speakership. That would be a big humiliation even for a republican; .

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Didn’t Boehner do it? I bet he’s loling every day he got out of there before Trump got in.

    • northern_neighbour

      What??? Back to back woods Wisconsin, … and pass up on a lucrative $$$$ career in glamorous DC, as a gold plate level lobbyist?

      Plus a cushy $$$ gig with FOX and paid guesting other networks as an “expert” analyst?

      You have gotta be kidding us !! If Chaffetz found a better gig for himself, Ryan for sure will remain at the trough, snorting it out with all the other sleaze ball “retired” PIGS. Look at Santorum even.

      They are all laughing all the way to the bank except maybe for Brian Brown … but he was never elected even to dog-catcher … ‘course Trump neither up until the Russian Coup of 2016. #PUTIN/WON

  • Jerry Kott

    19 years ago I attended a Candle light Vigil in honor of Matt Shepard at the Lehigh County Government Plaza in Alientown Pa. , Charlie Dent was there. I don’t recall there being any Democratic State or National elected people there at that time. It was risky for him to attend, but he did the right thing.
    He has been a moderate Republican. All the Democratic candidates that go against him in elections are Party Hacks who just blow smoke. There is a Tea Bagger who is seeking the Republican nom now. I don’t know who the Democrats Party Bosses have picked for the run for the seat. He will be missed.

    • David Walker

      Purity tests don’t mean a lot to me because I know that, even with a Democrat (President Obama, for example) I’m not going to agree with every-thing s/he does. Definitely disagree with Charlie Dent, but I at the very least respect him and actually do admire him for some of the stands he’s made, some of the opinions he’s voiced, and what I feel is his sincere desire to do what he thinks is right for his constituents. I’m actually sorry to see him go.

      • Steven B

        He still managed to vote for health care repeal.

        • Todd20036

          Yup. Think Lindseybelle, or even McCain.

          They despise Trump, yet have yet to vote against him.

          Ok, McCain FINALLY voted against Trump’s DeathCare, but after everything else? Really?

      • Jerry Kott

        As an elder, I understand,”don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good”. As far as Pennsylvania goes, he was a ray of hope. He actually responds to correspondences even when you identify as being Gay in the content.
        I am sorry to see him go. The Tea Baggers who absolutely HATED him are over joyed. The sad part in how the Democrats picks the candidate is that it seems that loyalty to the Municipal Unions is the only thing that counts. They never pick anyone who seems real to the voters living outside the Castle Walls.
        It is show business and they never pick anyone who has anything to show.

    • Dramphooey

      With a retirement a good candidate may run. People respond when they see opportunity.

      • Jerry Kott

        In the best of all possible worlds. This is Pennsylvania, it doesn’t work that way. An outsider needs to step up to the plate but no sane person wants the job

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Yes, the Democratic Party is far from perfect in so many places. Sad!

    • fuzzybits

      Man times flies. I went with a couple friends to a vigil for Matthew Shepard at the state house around the same time. The only other people there were folks from our gay rights organisation. I think I still have the sticker they gave people. It reads,”I am Matthew Shepard.”

      • That’s the problem — it’s the moderate Republicans (with a few notable exceptions) who are retiring, and you can bet the local GOP in red states are going to field someone much, much worse. I hope the Dems are smart enough to tar them with health insurance (taking away), gutting environmental regulations (“Don’t drink the water and Don’t breathe the air”), attacks on civil rights (everyone’s) and the other nest of horrors that Trump is foisting on us.

        • Jerry Kott

          However, the squeaky wheels seems to get the most oil. Pennsylvania is at a crossroads and seems on the outside ready for that shotgun Wedding with Alabama. But on the inside, people know that Tea baggers make more noise than sense and are telling them to take that finger off the trigger and show what you really have to offer other than threats.

      • Jerry Kott

        We were amazed to see Dent there and he actually spoke. We elders are getting battle fatigue.

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Something wonderful to think about in these difficult times.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ1VAHZkfe8

    My favorite line: Kiss the House adieu!

    Enjoy!

  • Jacob

    This is ridiculous. These retirements, and the mythological mass one to come, aren’t due to fears of losing seats to Democrats. It’s the certainty they will lose to Freedom Caucus loonies. Voter suppression, roll purges amd gerrymandering will see to that.

    • Longpole

      The repubs are super pissed how trump stabbed them in the back this week in siding with Pelosi and Schumer. More to come? Looks like they don’t want to stay around and find out.

  • RidingTheLine

    Cool. Flipping the House would be very good for America.

    • JWC

      Anything, compared to what you have now, would be better for America

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      A new slogan for 2018: Flip this House! U.S. House of Representatives!

      Can Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) lead the loyal opposition to victory?

      Doubtful.

      • RidingTheLine

        Pelosi should never be underestimated. Pelosi and Schumer pulled off the coup of the year this last week against Ryan and McConnell. As long as the GOP is held hostage by the bedsheet-wearing, bedsheet-wetting “Freedom Caucus” of socially conservative haters, Pelosi and Schumer have the upper hand against all of them, due to the natural disasters upon us and know it. But as soon as disaster calms down, Democrats need to be on the move for change in D.C.

        • UrsusArctos

          She’s good at her job (kind of) but she’s also a lightning rod the GOP uses to draw out the deplorables who want to think they are voting against her and elect whatever GOP nazi they nominate to replace the outgoing one. Off the coasts she is a YUGE liability.
          Those bed-wetters have used stoked and used hatred against Pelosi at least as well as they did HRC.

          • RidingTheLine

            So, your solution is to cater to the bigots and the haters? It doesn’t work that way. The Democrats will not pick their leaders to suit their detractors.

          • UrsusArctos

            You’re putting words into my mouth. Change WILL NOT happen in DC as long as purity is required. Electible candidates are what’s required. Pelosi/Wasserman/Schumer have pulled support from possible electable Democrats and focused on protecting incumbents. That led directly to a GOP senate/house. 41+% of Mississippians voted for HRC. That’s damned close to purple if Democrats would field a viable candidate instead of writing it off. That was a leadership decision.
            The bigots won’t vote for ANYONE even remotely appealing to Democrats. The point I was making is that Democrats have to accept that their leaders are difficult to put forward to inspire people off the coasts to get off their duffs and vote. By acting like Mrs Pelosi is just spiffy outside of her safe California seat is repeating the lunatic act that has helped the GOP grab seats/governorships/down to dog catcher. Democrats come in MANY stripes. One that’s electable in a marginal seat would be handed their ass in a deep blue district. It’s akin to asking for Joe Manchin to be pushed forward to inspire Democrats in Washington state. Democrats need to focus less on the leadership and more on finding candidates that can get elected in the areas they represent vs some ideal, unless they want permanent minority status or extinction. This last election showed how insisting on the perfect candidate helped NO ONE except the opponents.

    • FAEN

      The world.

      • RidingTheLine

        Indeed. Even if the natural disasters overwhelming America at this moment cause the White Supremacists to crawl back under their collective rocks, and for Trump to act somewhat like a real President of the United States, the World needs for the US House of Representatives to flip in 2018.

    • Kruhn

      Flipping the House and Senate, even better.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but I’m fucking sick and tired of this bat shit crazy, man-baby, motherfucker!!!

    Trump Complained That the Emir of Kuwait’s Plane Was Longer Than His, Continuing Peculiar Obsession With Size
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-plane-emir-kuwait-size-661916

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      And the Emir’s plane also has a gold-plated toilet.
      Looks like Donnie is out-classed again!

      • LesbianTippingHabits


        With respect to Donald Trump, Air Force One is not “His.”

        Air Force Three (the plane without POTUS / VPOUS) is labeled, “The United States of America.”

        We all know what happened to “his” airplanes (the former Trump Airlines): Bankrupt!

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      That article appears to be serious. The New York Times recently interviewed a lady who, years ago, had dated a then-unmarried Donald Trump.

      Why didn’t the Times ask her the question on everyone’s mind?

      • canoebum

        It’s not really on everyone’s mind. Seriously.

    • JWC

      it answer to another trumpian fault megolmania

      • -M-

        And an inability to assess the relevance or quality of a datum.

    • FAEN

      LMAO-Doll Hands is so predictable.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Oh FFS. I’m surprised the emir didn’t fly in a 787 just to rub it in.

      • UrsusArctos

        If the emir went and got himself an Airbus A380-800 it would even be longer than the VC-25s that are AF-1.

    • Friday

      Well, that’s just unacceptable. Drumph should resign immediately in protest and get back in his *own* tacky plane. 🙂

    • fuzzybits

      It all comes back to the penis.

      • Todd20036

        Normally, I’m ok with that….

    • northern_neighbour

      Well but of course, … the Emir of Kuwait is far richer than Donald, silly infantile grasping gosling distaff that he is.

      The real rich guy always get the longer plane with lots more gold plate as well. A real man would be able to suck it up and get on with DUTY.

      Instead we have a DERELICT TRAITOR at the helm.

    • Uncle Mark

      Actually, the writer of the article suspects that Twitler was probably not referring to AF1 being smaller (there’s not really any difference in length), but his own personal 757 being 75 feet shorter

      • Tomcat

        Lets attack them and take their oil Donald.

        • Tomcat

          You know that IS what you are thinking.

    • Tomcat

      Kuwait also has a lower national debt, like zero.

    • Tomcat

      He is welcome to order an even bigger one,,, but only on his dime, not ours.

    • Stubenville

      Ssssh. Don’t mention that the Emir of Kuwait is wealthier…

    • vorpal 😼

      Just knock out a wall and attach a nice wooden extension until he stops melting.

  • MBear

    Oh please. Moderates will retire and nazis will take their places. Thats what (voting white hetero christian non -suppressed )murrikkkans “want”

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      #MAGA
      Make American Gestapos Ascendant

  • JWC

    O/T With harvey and Irma
    had to askhttps://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/871a86122484899ed72a78d9b84b7bc2a40cc391c7ec574af3456884de5bc312.jpg

  • SoCalGal20

    MI-11 is now open too. I don’t know if he’s a moderate but his district was R+4 in the Presidential. He won his seat +12. But he just announced he’s not running.

  • Blake J Butler

    I’m facing my fears, i am watching the 7th season premiere of AHS: Cult.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      I love the start of it when people freak out about Trump.

      • DaddyRay

        We are living our own real life American Horror Story

      • JWC

        we freaked out 8 months ago

        • Gerry Fisher

          I still remember doing the electoral math at about 10 pm and not seeing a path for Hillary, a friend in Europe sending Facebook messages, “What the hell is going on back there?” I remember the next morning, driving to work, and thinking…”They got the House and Senate, too.” Heart in my throat type stuff.

          • JWC

            i was physically sickk absolutely no appetite for 24 hours

          • UrsusArctos

            I didn’t sleep for a day and a half. I saw it coming when I voted that morning. My polling place NEVER has a line. That day the deplorables were out in force. So were us Democrats, but we were quietly waiting to vote and the deplorables were already gloating. It didn’t matter in MS, but I know enough about PA/WI to figure they were gone as well.

      • Blake J Butler

        My entertainment became my reality. Coven, freakshow, ghosts, now the theme this year is real. it needed to happen, because i haven’t watched the news in months since november the 9th, and when i found out that AHS was doing an election themed season i didn’t want to watch it and i didn’t want that fear to take hold and needed to face it.

      • FAEN

        I did NOT needed to be reminded of how i felt that night.

    • Bryan

      I love that Ally grabs for the rosé. TWICE.

  • KnownDonorDad

    It would go against historical trends if the GOP didn’t take a hit in 2018.

    • True, but I’m hoping it’s a really major hit.

  • Blake J Butler

    My dream logo :

    ” 2018, the pussy grabs back”

  • JWC

    if its a concievable thought for GOP members, could there be some embarrasment or would that mean GOP members may have emotions

    • UrsusArctos

      Nope, you’re not in that alternate reality. GOP veins flow with avarice, contempt, and opportunism. Wait. I guess they do have emotions.

  • Gustav2

    “This is the time to talk about climate change. This is the time that the president and the EPA and whoever makes decisions needs to talk about climate change. If this isn’t climate change, I don’t know what is. This is a truly, truly poster child for what is to come.”

    — Miami Mayor Tomás Regalado (R), quoted by the Miami Herald, criticizing the Trump administration for denying the connection between climate change and increasingly destructive storms.

    • Tomcat

      Rich people do not care about global warming or even stronger storms.
      They know they can always get on their planes and jet set out of harms way and then come back and buy up all the distressed lands for pennies on the dollar.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      If you’re a Republican, then you’re part of the problem. If you helped put in the Snake King as governor of the state, you basically demanded climate change and hurricanes and floods.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Don’t forget, Jason Chaffetz has already retired. Now, if he would only die.

    • Tomcat

      oh please, honor my wish.

    • Hue-Man

      100% certainty – timing unclear.

    • UrsusArctos

      Ugh. He’s the WORST. Someone who converted to Mormon because: Utah. He would have done anything to win a seat. That explains his actions since he was first elected.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Perhaps for once these GOP are feeling the heat from the actual voting publics. They think they can continue to pass their evil legislatures with no blow back. They’ve been dogged by angry protesters at every town hall and inundated with angry calls. Everyone should continue to pour on to these impotent snowflakes.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Tomcat

      Lets start staking those same people out to the barrier islands during storms instead. They will change their minds real quick that way.

      • Kruhn

        Send them to the Leeward Islands. They take the first brunt of the attack.

      • Jay Silversmith

        Let the Kraken take care of them !!!

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – This may be another example of “elections have consequences”, but I hope not.

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/906853513849917441

    • Tomcat

      Lets hope this one ends well because it could be a precedence.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        If the court stays as is now by the time this gets decided, I’m cautiously optimistic. Gorsuch just replaced Scalia, so no net change, really. If Trump (or gawd forbid Mike Pence!) gets to appoint another justice, we’re screwed and not in a good way.

        • Tomcat

          More reason now is the time to bring this to SCOTUS.

          • Ninja0980

            Yes, if we don’t bring this now, we’ll have lost forever.

  • Gustav2

    For those not following on the other thread:

    Tampa Bay is emptying, NOT good.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      You mean the water or the residents?

      • Gustav2

        The water, it will slowly leave with the north part of the storm’s rotation and come crashing back with the southern part of the storm.

        • Tomcat

          Yeah, so no gathering fish.

    • safari

      My friend is worried her mom’s house won’t make it.

  • SommerAArmstrong

    Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family!!!
    last thursday I got a new Lancia from having earned $7498 this-past/five weeks and-more than, ten-grand last-munth . without a doubt it is the nicest job Ive ever had . I started this eight months/ago and almost straight away was earning over $86, per hour . have a peek at this sitehttp://GoogleFinancialJobsCash30TopNet/GetPay$97/Hour……

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Wow! GOP reps are already looking for another gig. Won’t work on this site.

      • UrsusArctos

        Another spammer looking to “Lift Your Luggage” or deliver a slop bucket for $$$ – prepayment only, of course? I apparently blocked this one previously.

  • Friday

    Wows at spam ad. A ‘New Lancia?’ Yes, work for ‘Google’ and then you can go back in time and buy pretty cars that fall apart. 🙂

    • Tomcat

      More than likely phishing expeditions than simple spam.

      • Friday

        You know, I never gave much thought to what they hope to accomplish, since I wouldn’t pull that finger for any reason. Probably right, though. 🙂

    • Gustav2
  • Galvestonian

    No need to be afraid, little rethugs … you’ve had your chance and it’s clearly a total clusterfuck … the country is the laughingstock of the world and the jackoff currently in the Whitehouse is an uneducated egotistical blovard of the first magnitude… and you guys were and are backing him… he represents all that is wrong with politics.

    • -M-

      As do they.

      But we can’t afford to take it for granted that that will be enough to sweep them out of power.

  • Leo

    Dems aren’t winning back the Senate or House from gerrymandering, voter restriction, and heavy cynicism from Dem base demo’s to avoid turn-out. Seismic structural changes and intense cultural backlash to the current Nazi-lite culture in vogue will be the only things at this point to make any kind of short-term difference, nevermind 2018. I’m thinking Vietnam era anger. In the Internet age, good luck getting heard through the chaos.

  • ian

    Retirement is one way for a rat to abandon ship.

  • billbear1961
  • Stubenville

    Fade into obscurity before the crowds come after you with pitchforks?

  • Jack

    A glimmer of hope.

    Or not.

  • justme

    They’ve done their damage to the country so they are taking their pensions and going home…NOT
    They are going to be lobbyists and continue to steal from the American public..

  • TrollopeReader

    problem is that guys like Dent are the last of the (relatively) sane Rs … which means further polarization ….*yikes*

  • fuow

    They needn’t worry. Despite the rolling clusterfuck since the trumpanzies took over, liberals (especially Millennials) are still voting in record poor numbers.
    We don’t learn, we can’t learn, we refuse to learn and, thus, are condemned to see every advance (however tiny) in our rights stripped from us.

    • UrsusArctos

      Yep, if the Democrats could muster a motivating candidate, even here in MS they could win. HRC took 40%+ of the vote with YUGE underperformance in minority vote. I haven’t looked at the younger vote here.

  • Tiger Quinn

    If the story ends up being that Trump sits in the WH completely a puppet of Pelosi and a Democratic Congress, and THEN gets his ass impeached, and THEN gets RICO’d into nothing by AG Schneiderman….well, I may have to revisit my atheism.

    • UrsusArctos

      Won’t have much to do with religion, unless you worship money. That’s 100% what’s driving the bus here. If the GOP’s masters sees they can’t kill old/poor/sick people to get a tax cut, those masters will move on to other means and let the current crop cannibalize each other. The Kochs and others are in the long game.

  • andrew

    The good news here is that the Democrats may pick up some seats being vacated by “moderate” Republicans. The bad news is that the Republican Party will become even more controlled by the extremist Right and that will make governance even more difficult.

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    Unfortunately, the replacements will be even more putrid than what we have now.

  • LSMC1987

    There will be more. Part of a larger pattern is to get rid of “RINO” and replace with genuine loons. The polarization soon may be worse then we’ve ever seen.

  • Jay Silversmith

    Finally !!! There’s light at the end of this tunnel.