LIVE VIDEO: Storm Surge Forecast Issued For Key West

The Washington Examiner reports:

A “reasonable worst case scenario” forecast shows half of Key West underwater due to storm surge, according to a Weather Channel meteorologist. Hurricane Irma, a Category 3 storm as of 11 a.m., is predicted to turn away from Cuba and make landfall in the Sunshine State by Sunday morning. Forecasters say the eye is expected to make landfall in Key West. Officials and forecasters have warned of the dangers of “life-threatening” storm surge associated with the storm.

“A reasonable worst case scenario has over half of Key West underwater due to storm surge,” said Weather Channel meteorologist and weather producer Greg Diamond in a tweet that was retweeted by the National Weather Service Key West. “This is why @NWSKeyWest is saying to get out #irma.”

The graphic he shares shows large swaths of Key West under 1 to 3 feet of water. Key West sits at the end of a string of islands, or “Keys,” extending from the southern tip of the Florida peninsula. The National Weather Service predicts up to 5 to 10 feet of storm surge in the low-lying Florida Keys.

This morning Towleroad posted the below live cams. The last one has to be viewed on YouTube and I’ve noticed a few idiots taking selfies in the middle of Duval.


  • bkmn

    I hope anyone who stays behind will be safe but this storm looks like one worth evacuating for.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/90f09a24d658e4623ce6f9a2b13f8a6a785ec77bbd7310c27da7f85ba8b6c04b.png

    • TrueWords
      • Ken M

        With obviously little to no interest in the forests. Less profit margin I guess.

      • CanuckDon

        It’s fucking sickening. Sounds kinda silly but I guess many of us first learned of the greedy insanity around oil watching the Beverly Hillbillies in our younger years

        • TrueWords

          Come away from that cement pond

          • Joseph Miceli

            I’ve always said that my dream man would be Jethro Clampet on steroids.
            Jethro: “Honey, what is this here thing called cog…no..tif…dis…own ancy? ”
            Me: Don’t worry about that Babe. You go and work out by the Cement Pond and I’ll fix you another steak.
            Jethro: Okay!

          • swimboy

            OMG! I think I was 5 years old but I had the *biggest* crush on Jethro! And, yeah, these days, a Jethro Clampet on steroid would be my dream man. I always say I like a man to have a chest measurement the same as his IQ, both about room temperature.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Stealing !! Lol

          • Robincho

            “SEE-ment”…

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          I loved Miss Jane from the very first moment I saw her. Kinda like what happened with Paul Lynde. I was way too young to know anything about sex or gays or lesbians, but somehow I instinctively recognized a kindred soul.

          • Robincho

            “Chief! Chief!”…

        • Dagoril

          Even Scooby-Doo tried to warn us. All of those mysteries that turned out to just be greedy old white men trying to get away with something shady…

      • JWC

        As some one said a few weeks back “If Trump thought he could make a nickle off Climate Change” he would flip in a minute

        • zhera

          If only someone could give him inspiration to invest in solar panels!

          • JWC

            did I read somewhere where Obama had solar panels on the roof of the Whit House Of course if Obamas did Trump probably had them removed

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Carter put some on, then Raygun ripped them off

          • JWC

            oh OK

          • JWC

            How come no one was smart enuff to step on Rayguns neck al those years ago

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Secret Service was always around

          • JWC

            just over efficient

        • Robincho

          Meanwhile, we’re all in a real pickel…

          • JWC

            Oh ya but as Scott Pruitt said ” Now is not the time to talk about climate change

      • JCF

        I think it’s some of each. Certainly, rich Rethugs like Drumpf—w/ property investments—understands what threatens those investments. [It’s all about MONEY, baby.] As long as they insure those properties then, like you say, they’ll take more money from the Kochs, Exxon, etc, to say climate change is a hoax.

        Other Rethugs—not just the rank&file, both Christianist wackos like Gohmert and Steve King in Congress—undoubtedly REALLY BELIEVE that “God’s Rainbow means he’ll never flood the Earth again: we’re safe! Ignore those demonic tree-hugging libtards and their ungodly HOAX!11!1”

    • another_steve

      Florida Governor Rick Scott is also a global warming denier btw.

    • zhera

      I hope there no living creature left on the Keys! Seriously, people: GET OUT OF THERE!

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        A lot of people are staying. CNN was interviewing them yesterday.

        • zhera

          πŸ™ Dammit!

      • Bluto

        Watching the live feed, I just saw 2 goobahs casually pedaling bicycles down Duval St.

  • Lazycrockett

    Yeah it doesn’t look good at all for Key West. The eye looks like its going to go barely North of it.

  • JoeMyGod

    As regular readers know, for the last decade I’ve vacationed at the fabulous Island House just before Xmas. They’re located at the corner of White and Fleming, which based on this map, gives me SOME hope for my favorite place. (Embiggen to see White Street.) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbc6190a8b4177ac1835dacb0563a9f67634882b035f30274f631bc318473474.jpg

    • JoeMyGod
    • Dick B

      The last few years we’ve been at the Equator. I’m hoping it’s on the other side of Fleming, just above the water. However, the wind is another subject. At 150 mph, it looks rather bleak.

      But I have hope – hope that everyone we know there is now safe.

      • JoeMyGod

        Equator is a few blocks south of Island House on Fleming and it looks like they are also not in the flood zone. I just can’t stop thinking about all the lush tropical landscaping that makes everything so beautiful.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          That was one ot the comments that caught my eye from one of the survivors on St.-Martin or Barbuda. After Irma passed over, she said several times when they were interviewing her, “All the leaves are gone.”

        • Dick B

          Not only the vegetation which is so wonderful, but the wildlife. One of our favorite things to do is to visit the Wildlife Center – the birds, iguanas, turtles, plus the Botanical Gardens next door – all right next to the beach.

          I’m really hoping for the best.

          (Living on Bank Street in Manhattan, I remember well the Hudson creeping up the street towards our apartment during Sandy. What a terrifying sight.)

    • Robincho

      We’re more Alexander’s guys (right across Fleming St.), but we feel your same sense of quasi-relief…

      • JoeMyGod

        Those all-white rooms at Alexander’s are gorgeous.

        • Robincho

          That’s what Beauregard is always saying…

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            ROFLMAO

      • Monty

        Alexander’s guys here too but love all of old town. I know it’s not going to go well for KW but have to recall that many of those places have withstood for years and hopefully will continue. Just pray for any and everyone that stayed.

        • Robincho

          Quite right, brotato chip. But my prayers ain’t gonna do ’em any good…

    • JoeMyGod

      By the way, that blue section is the middle is the neighborhood called New Town and it was created in the 1950s by filling in salt ponds.

      • Lazycrockett

        Chris Hayes was talking bout how Florida is an engineering wonder cause the place isn’t meant for human habitation.

        • Tomcat

          He needs to tell that to the Seminole Indians.

          • JCF

            I think the point is that the Seminoles (and other indigenous tribes) knew the DIFFERENCE between the habitable and non-habitable places (both where and when: in “Their Eyes Were Watching God”, the Seminoles could read the signs— pre-satellite/no barometer—of an on-coming hurricane, and GTFO. Others, looking down on “dumb Indians” stay “on the muck” and die.)

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        That doesn’t bode well. Sounds like the financial district in San Francisco; Landfill.

      • JCF

        “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature!”

        As a native of the SF Bay Area, it’s something similar: the landfill they’ve dumped into the Bay, to build on. When a biggish earthquake hits, that shit liquifies. Bye-bye, buildings (and everything/everyone in them).

    • Treant

      What does gray mean? 0-1 feet above sea level, or high enough not to matter? πŸ™‚

      • TKW

        I think the legend is water level no land level. So grey would mean no surge in those areas.

      • Superman

        Not an expert, but most of the gray area is old town, built on the highest elevation, and I believe the old cemetery is actually the highest natural elevation, and the Ernest Hemingway house the highest built up on added fill. We’ve seen water flowing in the streets of old town before. And some of those buildings are so old they lean and creak. I definitely worry about the wind. And the wildlife, we are very fond of the butterflies in the greenhouse at the southern end of Duval, and the wild chickens and birds. I definitely don’t want Key West to suffer the same fate as Barbuda.

    • Duh-David

      I’m told when I get there next week, the problem may not be damage to the Island House, but do they have electricity and can I get there from the airport. But that’s just Key Westers being optimistic.

      • JW Swift

        Also hope that none of the 42 bridges between Key West and the mainland aren’t damaged. Otherwise, there will be no deliveries of gas, food, or other supplies.

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      For those of us not familiar with Key West Joe, (I know, here’s my gay card), what area of this map is the corner of White and Fleming?

  • Tulle Christensen

    Dear Mr Diamond. no the best case scenario has half of Key West underwater the worse case is all of Key West underwater

  • Lakeview Bob

    One of the webcams showed two very large swimming pools. Wouldn’t it have made sense to drain the pools and leave the drains open? I know that is only a drop compared to the whole storm but wouldn’t it help for the property to recover more quickly?

    • Tulle Christensen

      You cannot drain pools in Florida, the water table is too high, if you drain the pool it will float up out of the ground as if it was a boat

      • olandp

        Then they crack.

      • JoeMyGod

        That happened to a friend of mine in Fort Lauderale when his pool developed a crack while he was out of town.

      • Jerry Kott

        I heard that in many gas stations they don’t want to totally empty the underground tanks holding gasoline. If empty, as the ground water swells they would rise like balloons, pipes would crack only complicating after the storm recovery.

      • Lazycrockett

        Then how to they construct them?

      • Tomcat

        Why would you want to drain your pool for a hurricane anyway?

      • swimboy

        Not to mention that people typically put all of their patio furniture and other large light objects in their pools during tropical storms and hurricanes to keep them from becoming airborne and causing havoc during the storm.

      • Lakeview Bob

        Good to know. Who would of thunk?

  • Reality.Bites
    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Priorities, you know! Must not offend the fan base. Others can just fuck off. That seems to be the attitude in the US these days.

  • thom

    If the hurricane doesn’t kill me then the anxiety miggt. Safety Harbor FL here, right by Tampa

  • IamSmartypants

    FYI There
    is a confidential helpline to report anti-LGBT discrimination at shelters or
    accessing emergency services in Miami-Dade and Broward Counties. Call or text 305-702-0276. You can also email [email protected].

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e2163c4e50962d63f6fda6e4e7072fb94166c508c2f867d02fa8004e0b23210d.png .

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Does that have any legal basis in Florida? I don’t think Florida has any LGBT anti-discrimination laws, does it?

      • Tulle Christensen

        many counties and cities do though

  • JoeMyGod
    • Lazycrockett

      oh Im gonna watch this all night long.

      • JWC

        In this shot when is Irma scheduled to hit local time?

        • Lazycrockett

          8:00 am sunday morning.

          • JWC

            0500 my time

    • zhera

      Windy already.

      • Hunter M

        It’s windy already from the hurricane here in St Pete.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I see White Caps

      • pj

        i see people

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          We need the zoom function

        • DoctorDJ

          Under these conditions, “…i see stupid people.”

  • Sam_Handwich

    i guess god’s mad about buttsecks again

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Considering their God supposedly made the anus and put the prostate where it is, they should be asked why their God made it pleasurable for so many people.

    • Macbill

      If He just tried it, He’d like it.

      • bambinoitaliano

        He likes it alright. He is just furious about his followers not getting his message despite sending hurricanes after hurricanes. Jesus will be bald by now. He’s got no hair left to pull after witnessing the stupidity of his creation.

      • Joe in PA

        Pffft, how many times have a heard that. πŸ™

        Just the tip!

        πŸ˜‰

      • JCF

        Tried it? Who do you think invented it? πŸ˜‰

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Needs to get over it already

  • JoeMyGod
    • JoeMyGod
      • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

        Exactly! This is the perfect response.

        • DaddyRay

          Maybe we should use the same line:

          Now is not the time to talk about Religious Liberty

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      • Pruitt: “Meantime, let’s dig into this sheet cake and several liters of Mountain Dew.”

      • Tomcat

        Or I have been shot,,,, hey this is not the time to talk about gun control mister.

      • Tomcat

        Or Mexicans are coming across the border,,, hey not to talk about building a wall while they are coming in.

      • Dagoril

        Is it the right time to talk about all of those scamvangelists failing to pray the hurricane away? πŸ˜‰

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    • Blake J Butler

      The hell it is, given any regulations on the books are wanting to be taken away for the sake of appeasing big business who will exploit the land and oceans and decimate them and the health of workers and residents living in the area.

      The poor white trash could give a shit because all they hear is key words regulation and obama and they want anything he implemented to be erased. A so called president hellbent on erasing the legacy of his predecessor.

      Fucking asshole.

    • zhera

      What he doesn’t seem to realize is that by saying that, he admits that climate change is a real problem and a contributing cause of this level of extreme weather. Just like when NRA and the GOPhers say it’s not the time to talk about gun control right after a school shooting.

      • Joe in PA

        Pssst: he’s not that smart. πŸ™

    • JWC

      a total dunbass

    • Tomcat

      And after the hurricane they will just say there wont be another.

    • Adam King

      It’s always pointless to bother trying to talk about climate change with that Republican sociopath anyway.

    • Dick B

      He’s right, you know. What he should have said: “Yes, this is not the time – that time was thirty years ago. Now it’s too late. What an ass I am.”

    • greenmanTN
    • Danieruw

      Fuck you and everyone ever associated with you, Scotty! Enjoy your cozy home while I sit in OR wondering if I will have a home to return to.

    • Dagoril

      Yeah and after a gun rampage is definitely not the time to start thinking about gun control. One almost suspects that these people are trying to prevent a problem from being solved.

    • TrueWords

      I agree with the EPA…

      This is how you polarize people and turn them OFF completely

      I do not think this is the time to talk about climate change…if you have diabetes and about to lose your foot…I do not want a lecture about sugar as the damage is already on its way but rather what can I do to ensure my survival and adjustment of things…now once the threat is over yes we can and should talk about sugar and what led you to this point as so NOT to repeat it again…

      Many people and organizations with the most severe hurricane season on record are in SURVIVAL mode not lecture mode…

    • netxtown

      Well, OK. Just name the time and place so that it CAN be talked about with scientists, specialists, and facts – instead of your usual heresay, opinion, and ‘kick the can’ bullshit. Sticking your head in donnie’s ass might change your view – but it won’t fix a damned thing.

    • Ranger One

      He was saying he was worried that the right wingers’s were so brainwashed by the idea that when you issue the words “climate change” you were lying and in a world of fiction that they would drown.

      I say say let them.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    They interviewed the curator of the Hemingway Museum in Key West yesterday. He and the staff are staying and sheltering the 50+ cats that live there. He said the cats were actually their main reason for deciding to ride it out, because it’s just about impossible to evacuate 50 cats in 2 vans.

    • whollyfool

      (hurts my heart)

      • whollyfool

        Just in case others don’t see the other thread…. the museum is on high ground and has 18 inch stone walls, so I feel a bit better. Not great but better.

  • Treant

    Yet my friends still adamantly refuse to leave their hundred year old wooden house in St. Pete’s not that far from the beach (well, 10 blocks or so). Which is now forecast to see 120 MPH winds. I keep pointing out that this is not easily survivable.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      One slight bright spot, so far, is that there has not been very many fatalities associated with Irma on the islands it’s already hit, despite the massive destruction of the buildings. When you look at after photos of Barbuda, for example, and the entire island looks leveled, it’s incredible that only one person died.

  • JWC

    O/T Althought they are still a day away, its prudent to remember that in our quest for news its best not to text our friends A) they are busy and B) their cell phones are powering down.Its better to allow them to call you Remember they could be out of power for days

    • whollyfool

      Yes and as someone else mentioned, bring extra battery packs if you can if you are in the path of the storm.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Robincho

      I always got confused about which side was the one I preferred, until I made up a nifty mnemonic: Dutch Uncle, French Kiss…

      • JCF

        I remember the 1990s tourism jingle “St Martins, St Maartens: two countries in one!”

  • lenvus

    Any chance the storm will *not* make a sharp northern turn all of the sudden. This northern turn was predicted miles ago (and hours ago). And still, northing. Will it continue to churn along the Cuban countryside and weaken further and/or up the coastline, strengthen and threaten the Gulf Coast states? Thoughts?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      The last radar return showed a northern tilt

      • Tomcat

        Hurricane map still shows directly west movement at 9 mph as of now.

    • Tomcat

      They would really shit if it turned toward New Orleans now.

    • Tulle Christensen

      well, where I live in Northern Florida, I was confused all morning why I was getting what felt like outer edge wind form Irma, I was not expecting that until this time tomorrow

      As it turns out it is not Irma but a noreaster, so I am now wondering if the track models took the noreaster into account, as that explains the westerly shift of the storm tracks over the last day

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Of course there’s always a chance that the models are wrong.
      The right turn to the north, or not, is key – and nobody really knows before.
      Remember the models last November that told us Hillary was winning?

  • MikeBx2

    What’s the point of this? Does this really make anyone feel better? We’re talking about a man who calls briefings “witnessing first hand”.
    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/906559209587781642

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      It doesn’t make me feel better. Presidents should always be getting and PAYING ATTENTION to routine briefings on disasters. That it’s news is depressing.

      • MikeBx2

        I agree, Presidents should. He’s not a real president. Depressing, for sure.

      • greenmanTN

        The only way he’s going to pay attention is if they named the hurricane Donald Trump.

        • Paul

          We laugh but we all know it’s true. πŸ™

    • Tomcat

      No asshole your hotel is still there.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      That makes me feel about as reassured as if NBC had said that my neighbor’s chihuahua is receiving regular briefings on Hurricane Irma.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Isn’t anyone?

      • CB

        Really between here and weather.com, I pretty much know what’s up.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      The real news is if the President were not receiving briefings.
      This is actually useful in that, at this point, the best the President can do is let the highly qualified professionals he has appointed, just do their jobs.
      Receiving briefings allows him to stay out of their way.
      Unlike North Korea’s Kim, POTUS need not provide close supervision.

      • MikeBx2

        Yes, under normal circumstances that would be the case. But Trump would rather watch tv coverage and then only to find a way to capitalize on the situation and to keep an eye on his own personal interests.

  • Adam King

    Sorry and worried as I am, I still can’t imagine why anybody would want to live in fucking Florida.

    • Tomcat

      For the other 51 weeks a year, that’s why.

      • Adam King

        51 weeks of Republican politics, racist rednecks, overpopulation, ecological mess, alligators in your back yard, palmetto bugs, sweltering heat, sand in your privates, stand-your-ground, cockfights…? No thanks.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          You forgot sandspurs

          • Adam King

            I’m thankful I did. I also forgot manatees mutilated by motorboats.

        • Tulle Christensen

          Where do you live, I am sure I make a similar list for your area

          1) there a fewer racist rednecks here than in say Ohio or Missouri,

          2) Never had an alligator in my yard

          3) Palmetto bugs make good pets πŸ˜‰

          4) sweltering heat, yea more so now than when my family moved here in the 60s

          5) I have had only the good kind of cock fights never seen the ones with birds

          6) I did have sex on the beach once in my youth, that was the only time I had sand in my privates

          7) yes stand your ground is stupid, nothing stupid where you live?

        • The “pet” spiders keep the flying pie plates (palmetto bugs) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b7a3f44ec0a6434e30c34e0e3e9bc147d976c11230d285b6214764a6833e82b.jpg in check.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Just heard a Rooster Crowing. He prob wont make it.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Tomcat

      Just ask the christians where it is going, they have ALL the answers.
      You might have to wait until science tells them first however.

  • That_Looks_Delicious
  • CJason

    I’m concerned that after having just witnessed Harvey, all the focus seems to be on the storm surge and flooding and not enough on the potential wind damage. The pictures I’ve seen showing the devastation Irma has inflicted over the past few days are horrifying. If the eye does make landfall in Key West with sustained winds in the 150 mph range or higher, none of our favorite places will be left unharmed.

    • JWC

      Yikes today’s version of Alantis

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      There’s very little that can be done about the wind, at this point.
      Re storm surge and flooding, at least people can move stuff off the floor or even higher.
      This may be a reasonable reason for the phenomenon you mentioned.

  • safari

    I know it is a joke… but… Floridia
    https://twitter.com/fmanjoo/status/906568725507092480

    • JWC

      ah Good morning Are all gun owers this dumb

      • Karl Dubhe

        The sane gun owners sold their weapons at a hell of a markup. πŸ™‚

    • Treant

      If they set off fireworks, they might frighten away the Air Dragons that make the storm go puff-puff.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      We may have some Darwin Award winners.

    • Hunter M

      Trust me, these people here in Florida have totally lost their collective minds over this hurricane. It’s like living in an insane asylum right now. Every stereotype about Floridians is totally believable to me now. I want to move out of this state more than anything now.

      • Natty Enquirer

        “Right now”?

        • Hunter M

          Yes. Over the past few days it’s been crazy insane here.

    • JCF

      Preceded by a “Here, hold my beer” no doubt…

  • Cuberly

    OT: About that free Equifax credit monitoring service. One of the things I noticed when I used it is how quickly it came back saying my data may have been compromised.

    “The efficacy of the equifaxsecurity2017.com site, which is linked off Equifax’s main site, has also come into question. It requires more Social Security digits than the usual last-four, and on Friday, when β€œtest” was entered as a last name with β€œ123456” as the digits, the site said this identity could have been compromised. The same was true for β€œJohnson” β€” a common last name β€” plus β€œ123456.”

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/What-to-do-if-you-re-affected-by-the-Equifax-12184396.php

    • JWC

      If its computerized it can and eill be hacked A cardinal rule of cyberland

      • Tulle Christensen

        not because it is computerized, but because it is accessable

        • JWC

          and computerization makes it accesaible to be hacked

          • Tulle Christensen

            no it is hacked because it can be accessed from the internet. one must have access to the data store to hack it, how much hacking happened when banks use leased lines for things? No hacking because only authorized people had access to the data store

            you put it up on the internet an anyone can get to it,

            Your banking info was computerized in the 60s

          • JWC

            I believe we are dancing around the same point

          • MBear

            format vs access control

          • Tulle Christensen

            I think we are disagreeing on the definition of computerized πŸ˜‰ but nothing else

    • DaddyRay

      What burns me about companies like Equifax is we don’t have a choice if they collect our personal data. They have a huge responsibility to protect it and have been offshoring customer support since the late 90’s to countries that don’t recognize US laws

      • Cuberly

        …as they lobby the government for legislation preventing anyone from suing them in the event of a security breach. They’re hardcore against the CFPB.

        Their business and practices sure are rapacious.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Well, why not test with a surname of just consonants?
      Perhaps this is just a generic response intended to encourage further data entry to what is obviously a fake site. I don’t trust Equifax.

    • SoCalGal20

      When I was watching MSNBC on Thursday night, I shit you not, there was an ad for Equifax’s credit monitoring service. Talk about ironic. “Have peace of mind! Use our credit monitoring service. Be notified immediately if your accounts have unusual activity!”

      • Cuberly

        Heh….in situations like this isn’t it normal to freeze any ad buys? I guess they’re thinking they’re doing the right thing. Not looking like opportunistic grifters.

        • SoCalGal20

          I suppose since they were ads they already bought they just decided to let the run play out rather than stop them. However, given the execs dumped shares the day after they found out about the hack I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it on purpose

        • Paul

          Well there’s plenty of ads for Orlando Disney and Universal still running here in the UK. πŸ˜‰

    • Steven B

      I guess at first it was glitchy but it’s since been fixed. And FWIW my info came up compromised but my husband’s did not.

      • Cuberly

        I think it’s worse than glitchy, it’s questionable. Having to enter 6 ss digits is odd.

        • Steven B

          That’s not questionable at all. They only need the last 6 and last name, no more and no less, to verify identity.

          • Cuberly

            Even techies are calling the signup site questionable, especially in it’s implementation, which is my beef with it as well.

            “What’s more, the website http://www.equifaxsecurity2017.com/, which Equifax created to notify people of the breach, is highly problematic for a variety of reasons. It runs on a stock installation WordPress, a content management system that doesn’t provide the enterprise-grade security required for a site that asks people to provide their last name and all but three digits of their Social Security number. The TLS certificate doesn’t perform proper revocation checks. Worse still, the domain name isn’t registered to Equifax, and its format looks like precisely the kind of thing a criminal operation might use to steal people’s details. It’s no surprise that Cisco-owned Open DNS was blocking access to the site and warning it was a suspected phishing threat.”

            “Another indications of sloppiness: a username for administering the site has been left in a page that was hosted here.”

            https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/why-the-equifax-breach-is-very-possibly-the-worst-leak-of-personal-info-ever/

          • Steven B

            Ok
            I’m convinced.

          • Cuberly

            Wasn’t piling on, I just think there’s more to the messed up story, that’s all.

          • Steven B

            No arguments here. Not anymore.

  • DuaneBidoux

    These same people, who reject scientific explanations for why the storm formed, how it formed, why it’s on its current path and why it is so absurdly strong, gladly accept on faith a way of dealing with the storm that has zero scientific evidence of effacacity.

    To paraphrase Sam Harris: “religion allows believers to assert on faith things that would be absurd to assert without it.”

  • That_Looks_Delicious
    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Nobody wants to know, because of the media’s Next Question:
      What are you going to do about it?

    • Bryan

      These cuts are going to be devastating.

    • Tomcat

      He plans to steal the usage of the European models.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        From what I’ve read the last couple days, those require much greater computing resources to run and are therefore much more expensive.

    • stevenj

      He also wants to cut the early warning systems for tsunami and earthquakes in Calif. Japan and Mexico have them and 90 seconds warning can save lives.

      http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-earthquake-early-warning-congress-20170622-htmlstory.html

    • SoCalGal20

      NASA also has a lot of satellites up monitoring climate all over the world, and even things like coral reefs. When I did the JPL open house tour I saw presentations about some of the things they’re working on. All important, not just for climate change but to our understanding of earth science, natural resources, weather, and so on. These cuts are so stupid.

    • Ken M

      Out of sight, out of mind.

    • JCF

      Can’t be reminded often/loud enough!

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    from Florida, 2 thoughts re the hurricane.

    1. Retail in America is in trouble. Even though the hype started Tuesday, major retailers in Florida including Home Depot and supermarket chain Publix were unable to provide for their customers’ needs later in the week. [Lost business opportunities certainly do not help the industry’s bottom line.]

    Some aisles in Publix supermarket, in particular, were indistinguishable from those in Venezuela, for days on end.

    I thought Home Depot had regional warehouses full of non-perishable stuff; apparently not, or not sufficient for the foreseeable demand.

    2. Evacuating your home, what do you bring, for how long, do you really know?
    I am starting to understand more of the Palestinian experience in 1948 and its contribution to the challenges of the many peace processes over the decades.

    • Treant

      1) I’m pretty sure they can’t handle and aren’t ever going to be equipped to handle extraordinary circumstances like this. It’s why we have FEMA. Handling this would require extraordinary overstocking and hyper-efficient delivery systems that could be activated at any notice. That’s not efficient in terms of inventory costs or resource allocation.

      2) Clueless. I’d have to be doing the research online at the last second myself. I can make some guesses, but…

      • SoCalGal20

        I also think that Harvey may have already depleted their supplies of certain items. And if they were already low on stock of certain items due to manufacturing issues, waiting for shipments from their suppliers, etc, that could add to issues.

        • Tulle Christensen

          there is no supply problem the trucks are parked in Georgia until it is safe to enter the state

          • SoCalGal20

            Oh, that’s good to know. At least they’ll be ready once the storm is over and roads are passble to get supplies in so people can start repairs.

          • Treant

            Yeah, too late to stock up now. It’s either been bought and more can’t come in during the storm, or you don’t need it.

          • Tulle Christensen

            I did my stocking up on Tuesday, well had to get more cat litter on Wednesday cause I forget to get it Tuesday

          • Treant

            Sand will do in a pinch if you do run out. Shredded paper, too, although my cat hated that.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Several of the talking heads on economics/business programs have brought this up over the last year. Retail jobs have been disappearing much faster than coal jobs or automobile jobs, but nobody seems to care.

      There is some disagreement on this, though. One source says Amazon is actually creating jobs faster than the brick & mortar stores are losing them. But situations like this show the dramatic difference between having a hardware store just down the street from you versus ordering something online.

    • Tulle Christensen

      The shelves being empty before a tropical system is standard stuff here, they will get restocked shortly after the storm

      you bring yourself, your loved ones and your pets and that fire proof box you have with the important papers, everything else is optional

      • Tomcat

        Yeah, it makes sense the trucks that stock shelves stopped coming real quick.

    • JWC

      America’s version of Syrian refugees . The main difference is you still have a homelandwnen it is over The human plight knows no color or ethinticity its still tears at your roots

  • JWC

    Question? East to west what is the width of the Florida pahandle

    • Treant

      At what point?

    • Natty Enquirer

      It varies from about 50 to 100 miles wide.

      • JWC

        So an average of 75 miles and IRMA is about 4 times that wide .How could anyone on the west side of Florida consider that they would miss the punch if it had gone up the east coast

        • Natty Enquirer

          NHC advises that hurricane-force winds extend up to 70 miles from the center. So the west coast would miss them at the wider points of the peninsula.

        • Tomcat

          The hurricane was going up the east coast until it changed, the west coast would have had much easier winds and no tidal surge. Now everything changed.

          • JWC

            Having never experience a Hurrican although I can get high sustained winds Experiencing a hurricane, to me wouldn’t matter much 35 miles east or west its stilla hurricane

          • Tomcat

            Left of eye the easy side, right of eye the greasy side.

        • Treant

          Which quadrant hits you does help determine the probability of extreme damage. Although in a Cat 4, all quadrants suck.

          Storm surges follow the winds–if the wind is blowing away from shore, you actually get a reduced tide. So small changes in storm location change which locales get inundated and which ones stay pretty dry.

          • Homo Erectus

            As of 1:00 The max sustained winds are down to 125 mph.
            Thankew jeebus!

          • Treant

            There’s some thought it’s going to reintensify a bit after the battering the mountains of Cuba gave it.

          • Homo Erectus

            There’s not a lot of deep water between Cuba and Florida at that point. Hey – a girl can dream….

          • Tulle Christensen

            It is not how deep but how hot, and the water in the Florida Strait is hotter than it ever has been

        • Homo Erectus

          It’s about 150 miles from Daytona Beach to Tarpon Springs.

      • Tomcat

        She said Florida panhandle, not width of state.

        • Natty Enquirer

          The followup implies that the term was mistakenly used.

    • Robincho

      All I know is that driving from Gainesville to the ‘Bama line seems like it takes for fucking EVURR. And then there’s all the lovely billboards…

      • Tomcat

        That is because you are going back in time when you go to BAMA.

    • Tulle Christensen

      From Pensacola to Jacksonville is about 350 miles

      • Tulle Christensen

        and interestingly enough from Jacksonville to Miami is also about 350 miles

        • Homo Erectus

          The reason that Tallahassee is the capitol is that it is situated about half way between the only two cities that existed in Florida when it became a state.

          • Tulle Christensen

            Biloxi and St Augustine? πŸ˜‰

            Not everyone knows that Biloxi and Mobile where part of the Florida territory. they were given to Mississippi and Alabama as part of the deal to become a state so those two states would have some coast line

          • Homo Erectus

            Nope. St. Augustine and Pensacola.

          • Tulle Christensen

            I was being silly

  • Bluto
    • safari

      ’cause when I think Florida, I think safe sex…

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        … and bath salts.

        • Treant

          Krokodil and crocodiles.

        • safari

          Good point. There are FL zombies on normal days.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      You’re supposed to leave a little bit of room at the tip.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Cyclondom.

    • Tomcat

      Ha Ha that makes Tallahassee the scrotum area and Texas the ass.

      • Bryan

        Mississippi and Alabama are the taint?

        • Bluto

          That’s not a question.

          • Tulle Christensen

            That taint a question

        • Ken M

          That’s an insult to the prostate. Don’t want to insult that gland.

      • Tulle Christensen

        I think that makes Los Angeles the ass

        • Tomcat

          Damn that’s one big fatass dude. , must be a politician.

          • Karl Dubhe

            A Trump?

      • netxtown

        Well that does explain the assholes in texas!

    • Ken M

      Let it get hard and slap the Carolinas. : )

    • JCF

      Consider human-caused pollution, I’m betting the oceans wish that the condom would work in its principal purpose…

  • safari
    • Natty Enquirer

      The rumor is that his only child, Chase, committed suicide. Unconfirmed of course.

      • Sam_Handwich

        apparently a source close to the family confirmed that

    • Blake J Butler

      Dad gets canned from his network, son commits suicide the same day.

      Daddy is an asshole through and through but not sure how the son was. Either his own personal issues got the best of him, or having a man like that for a father played a role in his suicide.

    • Treant

      OK, I’ll be That Guy. Does anybody else see something just a little bit off here?

      • BearEyes

        odd timing for starters

      • Ken M

        At 19, I doubt it was shame over his father’s situation.

        • Treant

          As do I.

  • Mike in Texas

    More people than I would have expected are walking around or riding bikes on the Duval St. stream.

    • Treant

      Yep, it’s a bit scary. Even the Two Friends rooftop one shows people out and about occasionally.

      Don’t read the comments. Some people there are calling every passing white person a “person,” and every passing black or Latino person a “looter.” One’s faith in humanity ebbs ever lower upon reading that crap.

      • Mike in Texas

        Ugh … Haven’t been reading them, but I won’t for sure.

      • Natty Enquirer

        It is always a mistake to read the comments on YouTube. It’s really too bad that Alphabet Inc. provides a platform to spread such vile swill.

    • Homo Erectus

      I saw pictures earlier of people packing up the roosters and taking them north. (They wrap them in newspapers!)

      • sfbob

        Apparently they wrap them up so they won’t fight each other. Just imagine that happening on the back seat of a car.

      • William

        Sounds like some sort of Gay Mafia thing.

  • this is the only comment i will be making for the next 24-48 mos, from now on, on threads about climate change and weather.

    get the fuck out, Southern people. do it now. pack up, change jobs, sell off what is attached to the ground NOW. i don’t want to hear excuses. there’s no time left at all. this is only the beginning of this season; it’s already “historical.” next year, or the year after that, will also be “historical.” your govt and corporate sources will try to minimize the reality of it, on TV and in print/online. but this has been brewing for a long, long time, relatively speaking.

    tldr; THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO GET OUT AND SELL YOUR PROPERTY FOR ANY VALUE AT ALL. there. i yelled. but i’m not wrong. i left TX for a reason. this is why. if i could do it while very poor and without anything, you can too. do it NOW. srsly: no excuses. none. your life is worth more than anything else you can name.

    • Ken M

      Reminds me of the health warning on Canadian cigarettes. Smoking WILL KILL you. Enough said.

      • what am i supposed to say? yeah, it’s like to researchers and smoking. same deal. there are so many in denial. after a while, all one can do is be repetitive and plain. “get out of all tropical and desert and sub-tropical regions NOW, while you still can.”

        the freeways in FL right now are a good example of what i mean. what? i’m halfway to GA and there’s no gas??? how did that happen?
        /slapping head in V8 moment style

        • William

          In the 1990s, the railroad tracks that ran parallel to Interstate 75 were removed to expand roads.

  • Homo Erectus

    I’ll just leave this here:

    Dan —

    Our friends at South Carolina Equality (SC Equality) have made housing
    available for LGBTQ Floridians and Georgians who are fleeing Hurricane
    Irma — especially folks who are trying to evacuate since the storm
    switched directions.

    If you and your family are in need of shelter, please fill out the form here.
    If you cannot fill out the form, please call the main line at (803)
    256-6500 — there are people at the office NOW to answer the phones.

    Please share this information on social media and with anyone you know who may be in need of housing!

    We wish everyone safety as we brace for the impact of Hurricane Irma.
    And we appreciate our friends in other states for opening their homes to
    those in need.

    -Nadine

    Nadine Smith

    CEO, Equality Florida

  • Karl Dubhe

    Southern most point of USA, livecam

    https://youtu.be/X7ld45pUueQ

    • greenmanTN

      Rather than just standing there taking pictures couldn’t they just wear T-shirts that say “I’m a fucking idiot”?

      • AmeriCanadian

        It’s actually kind of amusing to watch them get soaked when the waves come crashing over the wall. πŸ˜‰

    • Ernest Endevor

      Happy memories of the Sun ‘n’ Surf Motel not far from here. Southernmost motel in the continental US. I’m sure it’s long since gone.

    • Ernest Endevor

      Is the camera out?

      • Karl Dubhe

        Looks it. I wasn’t watching.

  • Irma is now over open water again and strengthening. If the eyewall goes over Key West as a category 4 the damage will be catastrophic. The smaller the eye gets — and more clear — the more destructive Irma will be. Anyone left in Key West should not be there. It is now 140 miles away — oddly beautiful though but deadly. We are starting to get tropical storm gusts in south Palm Beach County. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/19c6938c04563e74f1f08a511a3a43d94f4c7d19bae8682a8819840ed63ac0ba.gif

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • SDG

      A lot of good that does.