LIVE VIDEO: Hurricane Irma Open Thread

Overnight open thread for Irma watchers.

Here’s the latest:

Hurricane Irma churned toward Florida on Saturday, leaving a trail of death and destruction across the Caribbean and prompting one of the largest emergency evacuations in American history. The National Hurricane Center said on Saturday evening the eye of Irma was beginning to slowly move away from the coast of Cuba as it moved northwest toward Florida.

As of 7 p.m. Saturday, the center said the core of Irma would reach the Florida Keys on Sunday, with β€œmajor hurricane force winds” expected at daybreak. The storm was expected to move along or near the southwest coast of Florida by Sunday afternoon.

The westward track, which was a change from earlier expectations, left some residents and officials scrambling to find shelter. The hurricane was downgraded to Category 3 on Saturday but still had winds of 125 miles per hour, the center said. It was expected to strengthen again over Florida.

About 6.3 million people in the state have been ordered to leave their homes. Storm surges will threaten Florida’s west coast on Sunday, where more than 3 million people live, and entire neighborhoods stretching northward from Naples to Tampa Bay could be submerged.

The first video below allows you to toggle between multiple cams in various Key West locations. Below that is live reporting from CNN, ABC, and the Washington Post.

  • Paula

    I know this is going to sound terrible.
    Everytime, I see them interviewing someone that did not evacuate, they seem to be a stereotypical Southerner.
    All I can think of is the Confederacy’s legacy. Their grandchildren.

    • Tomcat

      And yet there are the reporters that keep saying EVERYONE should get out,,, and there they stay.

      • Paula

        I was thinking that, too. Are they hoping for the big scoop that will propel them to Walter Cronkite/Barbara Walters status?

        • Reality.Bites

          As in dead/retired?

          • Paula

            Well, there is that.

      • Homo Erectus

        There are more than 20 million of us – where should we all go?

        • zhera

          πŸ™

          What’s your status at the moment?

          • Homo Erectus

            At 8:00 Sunday morning it’s calm, no rain. The pool is warm and the beer is cold. The eastern eye wall is expected to pass right through here this afternoon.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypVcv77WBU

      • They are saying everyone in mandatory evacuation zones should get out NOT the entire population.
        Evacuation doesn’t necessarily mean drive three states to the north either. There are shelters and safe places in Miami and Tampa for example. One of my work colleagues had to evacuate…to a shelter across the street.
        We are in a CBS ( concrete block stucco) house so it’s fairly sturdy, not any danger from storm surge being a good distance from both coasts here in the middle of the peninsula. Wind damage is our big concern

        • ClevelandJim

          You boys stay safe, sweetie! Hope that Kindle is charged up! πŸ˜‰

    • Christopher
  • fastlanestranger

    Thinking good thoughts for all my Southern brothers and sisters. Stay safe. Hang in there.

  • Tomcat

    Thanks I am sure we are going to lose television signals from Florida tonight.
    Maybe people can update from friends down there.

  • Bluto

    My sis lives near Orlando. Fridge filled with sangria, the freezer with pina colada. She’s prepared.

    • Tomcat

      Sounds like a sound plan. Play some music, watch some winds and try to laugh.

      • safari

        …shoot at the storm

        • UrsusArctos

          You DO know that could be fun. Coordinating simultaneous “shooting” could be a challenge.

      • Bluto

        I’m a firm believer in laughter. Thoughts, prayers & freaking out, not so much.

      • Carl

        Board games. Monopoly. Lots of yahtzee.

  • whollyfool

    Am I the only one that sees a chicken in the SuperStream video?

  • Treant

    So Irma’s little rosebud is about to be impaled on Florida’s peninsula. Good to know.

    • safari

      She’s got a passsst

      • Treant

        Don’t we all?

        • UrsusArctos

          Ohhh! New dahlia icon. Nice. Mine grew tall, but didn’t bloom much because they were trying to not rot in the rain we’ve had.

    • Tomcat

      She is very wet and receptive so hopefully there will be little internal damage done.

    • zhera

      Ain’t nothing ‘little’ about it! That girl is loose!

  • shellback

    Is Picky Pecker responsible for the top video?

    • Cuberly

      Cock-a-doodle-dooo CAM!

      • shellback

        Cock what? Jeez, what am I thinking?

        • Cuberly

          Heh…

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          You’re thinking what you’re always thinking.

          • shellback

            How dare you… read my mind.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Irma La Douche

  • JoeMyGod
    • DaddyRay

      So the video goes both ways

      • JoeMyGod

        Six ways, actually.

        • DaddyRay

          Hoooot

        • Tomcat

          Kinky.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          ….oh…. college…..

      • TuuxKabin

        BiVi.

      • Max_1

        It’s an orgy of them…

  • E.J.

    If you are planning a late departure, download gasbuddy or a similar app and check gas supplies along your route. Many of the gas stations along the highway through Atlanta are out of fuel. I’m sure condition are similar in other S.E. cities.

    • Tomcat

      My god there must be mass hysteria to be out of gas all the way to Atlanta.
      It will be little more than a small storm by time it gets out of Florida.

      • Homo Erectus

        There are only two roads out of Florida, and we just put 6 million people on them. They should be out of gas all the way to DC by now.

        • E.J.

          There was already a supply issue with the Texas refineries being down. This makes things worse

      • melllt

        Just people fleeing the storm. And if not filling up their gas tanks and generators and gas containers.

    • JW Swift

      They have been doing a good job of keeping gas at the gas stations on the Turnpike within the Service Plazas. The only problem has been that the traffic has been so slow because of the number of people trying to use it.

    • colo303

      Soooooo… essentially like Walking Dead then?

  • safari

    People who have been through hurricanes: is it true that ear plugs are a good idea?

    • shellback

      I have hurricane (almost) winds in the spring. Ear plugs are a life-saver.

    • UrsusArctos

      Moreso for your sanity than hearing.

    • zhera

      I imagine a Cat 5 hurricane is a little bit like a bomb raid. Constant loud noise for hours and hours and you never know when or if the wall will be blown out.

      Myself, I’m very sensitive to sound. Ear plugs would be extremely important for me.

      tl;dr: Yes.

    • Carl

      Not that I recall, no.

    • Lizard

      Yes. Absolutely. Especially if you have sensitive hearing.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Take care and stay dry in a clean, well lighted place.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/media/images/66150000/jpg/_66150870_de28.jpg

  • olandp

    We are getting rain and some wind here in Jacksonville already. Should continue throughout the night.

  • Ninja0980

    Hope everyone has done what they can to stay safe.
    Not much longer now before it hits.

  • JoeMyGod

    TRIVIA: 25 years ago Weather Channel guy Bryan Norcross became a Miami legend when he was the only person to stay on the air (and for 23 straight hours) during Hurricane Andrew when he was with the local NBC affiliate.They gave him the David Brinkley and Peabody awards for that. He came out a few years later, but we’d long seen him in the Miami bars so that was no shocker.

    • JoeMyGod

      We had no power so we watched Bryan on our state of the art (at the time) Sony Watchman’s 3-inch b&w screen. Seriously. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de8d37dabbc30af063b91e4671a93b031036708a7f61f70595d9a35d02e5e669.jpg

      • melllt

        I so wanted one of those.

        • Joe in PA

          Me too! I remember being on the parade route for Clinton’s inauguration (first one), I was so far back from the street I couldn’t see…so I watched on a stranger’s Watchman. πŸ™‚

      • JoeMyGod

        We thought the Watchman was the coolest fucking thing we’d ever seen. I think we paid about $300 1994 dollars, which in today’s money could get you a 50″ flat screen.

      • Paula

        We have an miniature like that around here someplace. It doesn’t work anymore with the digital tv signal. The convertor would be bigger than the tv.

        • JoeMyGod

          Mint conditition Watchmans can be found on eBay for collectors who don’t care that they won’t work with digital broadcasts.

        • BearEyes

          we do too – used it for camping.
          but now, of course, there’s an app for that.

      • Treant

        Shit, I had one of those in 1989. I won it at college in a raffle.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          No, that’s post 89. The earlier ones were the size of a small book.

          • Treant

            Coulda been 1990, but no later than that.

      • Reality.Bites
    • Hue-Man

      No Peabody but an Internet Legend!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1M0MEB-W4

      • JoeMyGod

        “Right at the wall for me!”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGJ9Wq61-7M

        • Treant

          BWAHAHAHAHA! I’d do the same, just…I’m a bass. I hate those things.

          • kareemachan

            Try having a 10″ centipede run across your foot when you’re camping out in Hawaii….

            Never again.

          • Robincho

            They seriously don’t like a dose of boiling water…

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          If that was a snake, my screams would make this guy look like the biggest, butchiest man than ever walked god’s green planet.

          • Treant

            You and my husband with spiders. I hear girly screaming, I know an eight-legger got into the house and I have to go deal with it.

          • kareemachan

            That’s the way it goes with my kid and her husband. She does all the pest wrangling around their place.

        • Rocco Gibraltar

          Dear Joe, thank you so much for that bit of comic relief. That is golden.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            BAHAHA. Awesome, Husbeast is 6’8″ and around 300, I am called to dispatch spiders and whatever else comes along. Growing up I had a variety of creepy, crawling and slithering pets.

          • Robincho

            Husbehemoth! Is everything else, um, in proportion? Asking for a friend…

          • Smokey

            My Cub is 6’6″ and 390 and yes there is some proportionality (ahem).

          • Robincho

            George Takei joins me in saying, “Oh, MY!”

            Only YOU can remember to breathe deep and relax… πŸ˜‰

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Yes, proportionately he is um, gifted, rather, I’ve been gifted….

          • Robincho

            “Rather.”

            You’re so cute when you feint and dissemble like this.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Ha, yeah, it took awhile to “learn” to accommodate.

          • Robincho

            Possibly. But please don’t be overly modest. I always heard that you were quite the quick study…

        • greenmanTN

          LOL! I was seriously just about to post that, had the link copied and everything.

        • Nychta

          LOL. I shriek like I’m being ax-murdered when I see a giant cockroach in the house. Then I pull myself together, trap it under a piece of Tupperware, and put it outdoors.

    • Talisman

      Where are you located, Joe?

      Somehow, I thought you were in NYC…did you move to FL?

      • JoeMyGod

        I lived in Ft Lauderdale from 87-95.

    • Dan Rather’s career was launched when he was at the CBS affiliate in his hometown of Houston in the 1960s. He got picked up standing in the Gulf as a hurricane was blowing in. The network was impressed to hired him. It’s a dangerous gig but one that pretty much guarantees national exposure.

  • JW Swift

    It’s a bit surreal. I left Ft. Lauderdale yesterday and am staying with my brother up to the north and east of Orlando and I’m watching the front yard of my own house form my security cameras and live-streaming the local TV station on my laptop. At least from what I can see, nothing bad has happened at my house yet, but the TV stations keep talking about one tornado after another in the area.

  • zhera

    Could we make a list of JMGers we know are trapped in Florida? Or will that just feed the anxiety I’m feeling?

  • Lakeview Bob

    I think the world is coming to an end. It is not even close to being the same thing but here in Palm Springs we are having highly unusual torrential rain. Strong winds and driving rain. Very strange.

    • Tomcat

      It’s HARP,,, trump just does not know how to use it right.

    • Treant

      We’ve had one of the wettest and hottest summers on record here in eastern Pennsylvania.

      • Ninja0980

        One of the mildest summers here but one of the wettest too.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Here near Woodstock NY in the Catskills we’ve had a wet cool summer. Each wave of flowers as they were opening got clobbered. After a beautiful spring, just as the poppies were approaching their peak the rain came. Same for the peonies then the daylillies. Now the hydrangeas are bowed to the ground and the willows have doubled in size. I’m not complaining. It’s weird but we’ve been fine where others haven’t.

        • Treant

          Strangely, although incredible on the rain, nothing much was harmed in my gardens. But most of those plants don’t care if it’s rainy or dry, except the vinca. Those didn’t do at all well this year.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I thought the coincidence was odd, too.

    • shellback

      I live in the wild west – every year the temps get higher, and the water table lower. Severe drought for years. I’m almost envious of Florida – almost.

      • safari

        Come to Michigan. Our lakes are now at normal levels again.

        • shellback

          Only if I can buy you the beverage of your choice. Then, I have to leave.

          • safari

            We could go for a ride and see peak leaf colors.

  • Maybe 200 hundred years ago when we didn’t have the technology to mitigate disasters, we can argue that this was the will of nature. But we live in an era where we can get all the information and work to limit if not stop the damages caused by stuff like hurricane. The deaths that happens during Harvey and the deaths that wil happen under Irma is the calculated efforts of greedy Republicans Lawmakers and willful ignorance. There’s nothing natural about disasters anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7fbfZxoWlY&t=2s

  • TampaZeke

    I’m not gonna lie, with Irma’s eye heading for a direct hit on Tampa, I’ve never been more afraid in my life. We spent the last two days boarding up and prepping. Completely exhausted. We’ve done all we can do. It’s all up to Mother Nature now. We would evacuate but there’s nowhere to go and we have three large dogs. Hunkering down and hoping for the best.

    The weatherman said today that there are two scenarios for Tampa and “disastrous” was the better of the two scenarios.

    • Take care TampaZeke. Let us know how things goes.

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    • DaddyRay

      Sounds terrifying Zeke. A friend of mine sold his winter place in Clearwater Beach and he is so thankful he doesn’t have to freak out over this

      • TampaZeke

        Jerry and I said today that we are seriously planning on moving to Colorado where our daughter is. I never want to go through this experience again.

        • DaddyRay

          You do have winters to deal with – hope you like to ski

          • Karl Dubhe

            X-country, or you’re risking avalanches. πŸ™‚

          • Silver Badger

            Even then. We lose a few people every year.

        • DaddyRay

          Good luck to you both, please check in if you can so we know you are ok
          {{{Bear Hug}}}

        • Cuberly

          Colorado is awesome, but those long grey winters on the east side of the state can get wearing.

          Stay safe.

        • Silver Badger

          In Colorado we have no hurricanes or Tsunamis. The occasional blizzard and the odd tornado. Oh…and a few wacko extremest Christians, but we keep most of them on the reservation in Colorado Springs.

          • David Walker

            On the reservation in Colorado Springs. Love it! Thanks for the chuckle.

          • Christopher

            Don’t forget about the wildfires EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

            All we have here in Misery is flooding, tornadoes, and racists.

          • Silver Badger

            My mother spent her last years in Misery. I do believe that is why she died so young. That and her three pack a day cigarette habit. As a point in fact, we have very few wild fires in Denver.

          • Christopher

            True the fires have never reached Denver. The smoke on the other hand…

            Born and raised in Denver, and her suburbs. I was always irritated when I couldn’t go camping at Buffalo Creek because of the fires.

            If it weren’t for the ludicrous rent prices, we may not have moved. I hate Misery with every fibre of my being, but at least I can afford to live here.

            I really miss the mountains though.

          • FAEN

            I hear the men have this hot lumberjack look happening. True? Asking for a friend.

        • FAEN

          And legal weed. Let’s not forget that.

    • safari

      What’s your evacuation zone?

      • TampaZeke

        Even though we’re less than two blocks from the Hillsborough river, we are perched on a hill and are in flood zone X. The hill is good for floods but bad for wind.

    • Tomcat

      If you get the eye over Tampa bay, don’t walk out into the bay when the water recedes to pick up fish ,,, it is coming back.

      They did that years ago and many did not live to tell about it.

      • safari

        Who does that?

        • Karl Dubhe

          The walking dead.

          It happened in that south Pacific Tsunami back in 2004(?) as well.

          • kareemachan

            That’s what I remember reading about – tsunami-caused drownings for this exact reason. Of course in the PNW, people would drive out to watch the storm and get slammed by waves.

            O/T, but why do Canadians insist on pronouncing some words wrong? Is it that big a deal to pronounce words the way they are pronounced by people who speak that language? Case in point: tsunami.

          • Karl Dubhe

            What on Earth makes you think we talk funny?

            Record yourself saying something, listen to your own voice. Then tell me that I talk funny. πŸ™‚

          • Silver Badger

            I find an accent to be very sexy. Does not make much difference what kind of accent.

          • David Walker

            Oh, you might want to reserve judgement until you hear Pennsylvania Dutch. I tu yummer. It still gretzes me something wonderful, and I’ve lived with it forever. Getting rid of that accentt (Mennonite grandparents) was a major project in high school because I wanted to be an AK-tooorrrrr. Worked out, though, for announcing.

          • ben-andy

            Oh, you mean and Ek-torrrrrr.

          • thom

            I grew up Amish. The accent comes out a little when I’m drunk πŸ™‚

          • FAEN

            For me it’s the Afrikaans accent-drives me crazy!

          • TampaZeke

            My father is the son of off the boat Scots. I developed a Southern accent with just a touch of Scottish brogue.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Tsunami is a Japanese word not an English word. Most English speaking people do not pronounce it correctly.
            The English words, eight suits, when elided together gives a close verbal approximation of the way the Japanese syllable β€œtsu” should sound when pronounced correctly.
            So, eight suits na me spoken very fast comes closer to any way we’ve been pronouncing it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c4c72d26ffa68dba630f750ba5275a401c9a0151076f4237ef4da5ebc2781d5.jpg

          • David Walker

            Let us not forget Godzilla is more of a gah-ZHERE-ah. And, of course, the eternal battle over aluminum or aluminium, lah-BOR-a-tree or LAB-ra-tory. Not to mention feet and meters.

          • FAEN

            I grew up with British and American English. I’ve learned to adapt lol.

        • Tomcat

          True story of what happened in Tampa bay during hurricane years ago, Water sucked out during eye fish everywhere people went out to pick up fish and many drowned.

        • That_Looks_Delicious
        • TampaZeke

          The same kind of idiots as the ones in my neighborhood who didn’t put away any of their outside junk, the ones who put their junk out on the street today and the one who was doing landscaping, mowing and blowing off his driveway and street. There are some serious stupid people in this country!

          • UrsusArctos

            Cut the mower guy some slack. After I did EVERYTHING to wrap up for Katrina I got on the tractor and mowed the pastures because I knew there would be no time for that until January or so. I cried damned near the whole 3 hours.
            edit:
            Oops! LANDSCAPING??? o.O w.t.f.

          • TampaZeke

            I was cool with the mowing but when he pulled out the blower and started blowing off his drive and the street I lost it.

            I failed to mention that he’s the same person who didn’t put his yard full of projectiles away.

          • Dramphooey

            Must be a Limbaugh fan who didn’t notice Rush loaded his oxycontin into a jet and flew north.

          • bambinoitaliano
          • djcoastermark

            Got a neighbor next to me that also did not pick up a darn thing.A backyard full of kids plastic slides, doll houses, trampoline, porch swings, and even a large shade shelter. Sheesh.

          • TampaZeke

            Sounds just like my asshole neighbor.

          • JCF

            Looking for you, djcm! Am wishing—just for the moment—your history wasn’t private (cuz I just want to know you made it through Irma OK. Take care!)

          • djcoastermark

            Thanx, got home a bit ago and all is ok. (except for for the fence, it’s a goner)

          • JW Swift

            That’s exactly how we got Trump.

          • David Walker

            A friend in Jacksonville posted pictures of precautions, in addition to several cases of beer. One of said precautions was putting all their lawn furniture in the pool. Certainly better than leaving it on the lawn. He thinks it will be bad, but they’re on the Atlantic coast and suspects his horrors will be minimal.
            There used to be an ad for something like a doggy blanket that wrapped around the dog to keep it calm. Hugs do pretty well, too…and they’ll be returned.
            Don’t forget to take a couple of bottles of ketchup for the neighbors.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            It’s the Thunder Shirt for anxiety. Little late for AmazonPrime delivery.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1482d9fb0adb89c60e322d9cd6655532215440dcbec589f0b1680cdbdf87fa21.png

          • TampaZeke

            My most sensitive puppy has a thunder shirt but he still has severe anxiety with fireworks and storms.

          • FAEN

            Ugh. I’m sorry Z.

          • FAEN

            “There are some serious stupid people in this country.”

            If the last election didn’t prove that nothing will.

    • UrsusArctos

      The ONLY good thing if you’re in a wind only damage area is that the extent can be almost random. I hope it all goes well for you. I have a cousin who works IT in one of the hospitals there and had to ride it out. He’ll likely be safe but his home is borderline as far as surge goes.

    • Hank

      Get some rest, as best you can.WE are with you!!!
      I’m getting intermittent heavy rain and winds, as the outer rings hits FTL. My power has been flickering all day, even before the rain. Shut down my electronics, except for laptop. TV tends to go on and off, from DVR, AV Receiver and TV. It varies.

      • TampaZeke

        Take care. The whole state is going to get battered. I so feel for the people of Key West.

        When Charlie went through, even though it turned into Sarasota at the last minute and avoided a direct hit on Tampa, we were without power for three weeks.

        • Hank

          Matthew was my first Hurricane, since I moved down here. It stayed 25 miles off the coast, so it was not bad. Even though, things have shifted west, and I am out of the Eye, run, it is not fun. Neighbors say, that when Wilma hit, our condo was sans electricity for @ 2weeks. So, I am mentally geared up, after Irma passes. One of my oldest friends, lives in New Port Richey, and now is deciding to run. Her good friend, drove from Miami to her place last night, thinking it would be better, there, than Miami.

          Now getting tornado warnings on the TV, from Aventura up to Boca Raton. Quelle Merde!!!
          Good Luck Zeke!!!

          • TampaZeke

            Good luck to you too Hank.

      • Tomcat

        There will be no rest at Zeke house tonight, tomorrow.

        • TampaZeke

          It’s hitting us tomorrow night through Monday.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Be safe. Hope ur house makes it thru

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            Be safe — thinking of you.

    • whollyfool

      (hugs) πŸ™

    • Ninja0980

      We’ll be thinking of you.
      Stay safe and let us know ASAP how you did when this is all said and done.

    • Tomcat

      I sold out and left Florida in 89 and moved to Tennessee. Since then have had 3 tornadoes, moderate damage, Blizzard of 1993 and Ice storm of 2015 and Forest fires last year. Each time without power for at least two weeks, except forest fires. I thought I was done worrying about the dangerous weather. Colorado sounds great but now I am too old to move again.
      Hope your plans are not sidetracked by this hurricane.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        There is no place safe from natural disasters. Minnesota had horrible wind storms, and now we’re in Socal thinking about the “big one”.

        • Todd20036

          Meh. A lot of people in this forum think about the big one

          That’s not atypical

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            My point was there’s always something.

        • BudClark

          We currently live practically ON the San Andreas Fault in the California desert. MEH!

      • j.martindale

        How do you feel about wildfires and blizzards?

    • Michael White

      We are all with you. JMG readers are always welcome to hide out with us in South Bend, IN. We have two extra bedrooms and a thrid of an acre fenced in for our Springer Spaniel

      • TuuxKabin

        Plus Pete!

        • Michael White

          An he is a bonus. He is in Iowa this weekend damn it

          • TuuxKabin

            Doubt he’s deserted you, out doing the good thing.

        • safari

          (He was stumping for the dems in Iowa this weekend.)

          • Michael White

            are you a neighbor?

          • safari

            Nope. I live in mid-Michigan, but the journalists were tweeting about it yesterday.

          • TuuxKabin

            What a guy!

      • kareemachan

        I would say the same, but we’re on the left coast on an island and a *huge* amount of IKEA stuff is in our guest bedroom. And we have two very territorial cats….

      • Anastasia Beaverhousen

        Upstate NY here. Willing to take in any guests and the bar is well stocked and the ice maker is at full capacity..

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      Take as good of care of yourself as possible. Take good care of the pups.

    • TampaZeke

      We have a 1920’s frame house so we’re going to spend tomorrow through Monday next door with our amazing neighbors who bought the house from me. I already warned them that if things go bad I have absolute NO ethical, religious of moral standards that will keep me from going full Donner Party on any one of them. I’m bringing my hot sauce just in case!

      • Silver Badger

        Please remember, neighbor must always be cooked well done. It’s best shredded and served in Tacos. Your hot sauce will come in handy.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Couldn’t it be braised? That should make the shredding easier.

          • Silver Badger

            As long as it’s cooked through.

          • Joe in PA

            Famous movie lines for $1000 Alex:

            Try the cock, I hear it’s delicious, and you know where it’s been.

          • Snarkaholic

            The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover.

          • Joe in PA

            Good job! I knew this crowd would know that. πŸ™‚ Helen Mirren was gorgeous. Still is though.

        • Talisman

          Be sure to bring the sea salt & cracked black pepper (& grinder, as necessary).

        • TampaZeke

          She’s Vietnamese. I told her that I particularly had my eye on her. I LOVE Vietnamese. I’m looking up recipes for neighbor banh mi sammiches!

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            Ooooh, Vietnamese! Hope you brought some fish sauce too!

        • FAEN

          Or you can just use a wood chipper.

        • Anastasia Beaverhousen

          And like fish, after three days, neighbors stink.

      • Harveyrabbit

        Do I like neighbors?
        Yes I do.
        Boiled, broiled,
        Or in a stew.

        Stay safe!

        • Todd20036

          Love you!

    • Kruhn

      Brace for impact, Zeke. We had to hunker down in Puerto Rico as evacuating is not an option in an island. I survived Georges which was only a weak Category 4 and was rough. You did all you could, now it’s a matter of random independent variables.

    • kareemachan

      Best of luck. Maybe a libation to the gods is in order?

    • zhera

      Hope you make it through, Zeke. You and your loved ones. Put cotton balls in the dogs’ ears, it might calm them down a bit?

      Please check in every now and then, so we know how you’re doing. But don’t spend all the battery juice on JMG, obviously. πŸ™‚

      • TampaZeke

        I’ll try. As long as I have power and Wi-Fi.

        • Mark

          One thing I experienced. During the storm, no tears. They come after and at the most unexpected moments.

      • TampaZeke

        Cotton in the dogs ears. Very good idea! Thanks zhera. In the chaos and freak out one sometimes forgets such important details.

        • zhera

          Maybe in your own ears as well?

          I can’t take credit for the tip, I read it here on JMG, I think.

          • TampaZeke

            I have some sound blocking headphones for my ears.

          • Joe in PA

            my in-laws rode out Katrina in Gulfport, MS…they said the sound bothered them the most. πŸ™

            Hang in there man, we are all with ya!

          • Lizard

            Might not be a bad idea for humans, too. I heard from someone who just got through Irma in St Martin (they’re okay) that the sound was the worst. They hunkered down in the bathroom and were half-deaf by the time it was over.

          • Mark

            I had my laptop fully charged so part of the storm, I turned on iTunes and listened to some of my favorite musics – it helped…

          • Mark

            Cotton helps the noise. the pressure build up, that’s just like being on an airplane descending. God that sucked!

        • Talisman

          I was watching TWC this afternoon. They cut to one of the meteorologists in Miami. There was a loud whistling noise in the background, and he commented about a jet flying in to the airport. Then he realized it was the wind.

        • FAEN

          Hold them close and give them hugs and kisses from their Uncles and Aunts on JMG.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            The hugs are not a bad idea. I always calmed my male Golden by hugging him.

          • FAEN

            Yes. My beautiful girl liked that as well.

        • ColdCountry

          If they’re really upset, Benadryl works wonders. My 60lb mutt takes two to take most of the edge off – dogs have VERY high tolerance to it.

    • SoCalGal20

      Please take care! I have relatives in Tampa, as well. I am worried.

    • Wynter Marie Starr

      Let us know when you can how you’re doing.

    • Daniel Fishback

      My hubby and I are across the bay in Gulfport. Just bought our house here in April. Moved up from Sarasota. We are scared for us and you and all of us stuck here. Stay safe.

      • TampaZeke

        Much love and well wishes to you and your husband. It’s gonna be a bumpy ride. You didn’t have a mandatory evac order in Gulfport?

        • Daniel Fishback

          Not for us. We’re zone d evaced a and b. We are three blocks south of the shelter.

        • Ernest Endevor

          Be thinking of you.

      • FAEN

        Stay safe Daniel, stay safe.

        • Daniel Fishback

          Thank you.

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            Stay safe.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Thinking of you.

        • Daniel Fishback

          Thank you.

      • Mark

        hang in there! it’s not fun at all — been there, done that. Stay in the bathroom if you need to – it’s the best location if interior

        • Daniel Fishback

          That’s our plan. Wish it was bigger though

          • Mark

            I was in a 6 x 8 space for about 4 hours – at least I could have the door open and there was a very small window that light came in when it finally started to get light — hold on tight Daniel! big hugs…..All told, I was locked in the villa for 14 hours….When I finally went outside still 40 mph winds and gusts to about 80…..I hate the wind now.

      • marachne

        I’m so glad my Gulfport friends are a little bit inland and higher up in Lutz. I am scared for you all.

    • ZhyKitty

      Hang in there, TZ!!! *hugs*

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      I have an Aunt and Uncle in Apollo Beach who are also staying put. My Uncle said their house is hurricane proof and flood proof, hope that stays true.

      For those who don’t know Apollo Beach location:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a3988fcc5090d0e479026683bd63f60e1c22f4fb0107fccd4017901ff85e6d31.jpg

      • TampaZeke

        There is no such thing as a flood proof home in Apollo Beach. I hope they come through this OK.

        Maybe his home is on stilts?

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          My suspicion was just that, I think he once said that it was constructed on a raised lot and then elevated by concrete pillars. I don’t know of the validity of all that, my family has a smattering of braggarts. It’s not like I would ever visit.

      • ben-andy

        My brother in law has a “compound” in Palmetto. We haven’t been there so I have no idea how high up it is but it is at least “off the beach”.

    • FAEN

      Stay safe Z and family. Sending you positive thoughts. Wish I could do more.

    • swimboy

      Hope you make it through OK. My entire family is in Bradenton, and the current track from NOAA is 500 yds from their house. They’re holed up and not evacuating.

      • FAEN

        I wish them well. Hope they are safe.

      • BudClark

        My family’s beach house is on the Gulf on Anna Maria Island. It’s withstood everything since 1948 … we’ll see …

    • Do Something Nice

      I’m so sorry. Take care.

    • Silver Badger

      Keep us posted!

    • thom

      Good luck, Zeke. I’m close by in Safety Harbor.
      Pretty fucking worried. I can’t wait until Monday evening when I can pull up JMG on my phone and read all our survivor stories

    • Smokey

      Having made it through three floods in two years on the Delaware I have a small sense of the mixture of anticipation, fear dread, and weariness. All I can offer is some long-distance bear (,,,) hugs (,,,)

    • Nic Peterson

      Please tell me you are in one of the neighborhoods that includes the word Heights.

      • TampaZeke

        As a matter of fact I am. My home and my office are both in Seminole Heights.

        • Nic Peterson

          If you have to be in Hillsborough county, might as well be on the high ground. Stay safe.

        • Nic Peterson

          Right now, you are in the eye of the storm according to my Storm app. It’s maddening to be watching this from such a great distance with no feedback. Hoping you are ok.

    • skyweaver

      Hey best of luck to you, we will be thinking of you!!!!!!

    • Charles Michel

      Good luck to you and yours. Courage.

    • Just make sure you are not in a storm surge area. If you are not hunker down and you should be fine. http://www.floridadisaster.org/publicmapping/

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      Hold on tight. Will keep you, and your family in my thoughts.

    • Robincho

      Try to find whatever good cheer remains in the face of this shit. We are thinking of you and yours (i.e., Dink, et al.) with loving fondness… xoxoxo

    • BudClark

      Hugs, Sweetie!

      My entire family is in Polk County … 40 miles east of Tampa, 60 miles south of Orlando … Mulberry, Bartow, Lakeland, Lake Wales, Plant City. They’re native Floridians, and have been through many hurricanes, but I spoke to my sister earlier tonight, and she says this is the worst she remembers (she’s 87 years old!).

      Our family’s summer home is on Anna Maria Island, in the mouth of Tampa Bay. The house was built in 1948, and has survived undamaged all these years … but we shall see.

      The last really bad one upended the tall copper steeple of the Methodist church in Bartow in the street, like a huge ice-cream cone. It also blew the roof off the north transept and destroyed the pipe organ.

      Bartow is particularly dangerous because it’s known as “The City of Oaks” … big, and old. When THOSE start flying around, they can level a brick building with one blow.

      The problem is that there’s no place to evacuate *to* … the highest point ln the state (somewhere around Leesburg, I think) is only 500 feet above sea level.

    • Mark

      TZ – Ido understand – – hang on and if you need to, seek shelter in the bathroom – that’s where I rode out Irma. Be well and let us know how you get on! It’s going to be a helluva ride – I won’t lie.

      • CanuckDon

        So great to see your comment Mark. Many of us here were very worried for your well-being. Glad you made it through the storm.

    • dcurlee

      Please stay safe. We have friends in Miami and the Keys also. I hope it weakens soon

    • Jmdintpa

      Over in high ground in st Pete. I think it’s going to weaken enough we will be ok. No power for awhile but fine.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    There have been confirmed tornadoes in Broward County.

    • DaddyRay

      Yikes

    • UrsusArctos

      Those TEND to be fast moving, not super strong and come/ go. With Katrina the alerts were non-stop. they were out of the warning area before they could issue warnings.

      • JWC

        How are we today

        • UrsusArctos

          Not as good as an island goddess in the PacNW. ;D

          • kareemachan

            As an actual island goddess (snerk), I’m happy to report that it’s raining around here! This is a good thing, what with forest fires, smoke-filled atmosphere, and a very omen-laden blood red moon the last few nights.

          • JWC

            O shore yo is

          • JWC

            It looks as if TD made a smart move up to Tall now if IRMA tip to the right and drop to CAT 2 or 3

          • UrsusArctos

            It was smart. Water is the danger in Tampa, not so in Tallahassee. Tampa’s been rated a close #2 to NOLA for disaster potential for decades. Tally is “the city of 7 hills” and is fairly far inland. Barring a tornado (which can happen up to southern Illinois) I’m hoping he made the right move. Also Tally is on I-10, so he’ll be able to get to supplies and things he’ll need at home.

          • JWC

            ya I know he and Jrff are withTD’s family in Tall I don’t expect to hear from him til Monday depending on power If you hear first let me know

          • JWC

            it looks form the ltest models that my hope might have come true The lower of Irma’s cat rating and will shing well east of Talla

          • UrsusArctos

            What you even lived in a hurricane zone, because you’re reacting like someone with a history of dealing with them? The watching every move is a bit of a new thing since social media grew to be EVERYWHERE. That’s made for some interesting assumptions about events. I’ve made a few myself on a couple of events because of being unaware of the attitude and history of people that are facing it. Now, FL is a whole ‘nuther beast because native Floridians are getting to be fewer and fewer. The MI/OH/IN/Northeastern come lately idiots will always be idiots.

          • JWC

            hell no no hurricanes or himacanes here ever. Just speculatio nand conjecture from the last modle i have seen Talking fully thru my hat

          • UrsusArctos

            Hmm, Disqus is acting up. I didn’t know if you had lived elsewhere or traveled and knew the southeastern/Gulf coast. But that IS quite a nice hat. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/02f2e60069de99b27dae1287771e3f4ded5b20ebb4261d8c4c27eb9fc9d6b9ca.jpg

          • JWC

            you know i live in the Pacific northwest and ya like the hat

    • zhera

      Craaaaaaaaap!

  • Ken M

    Has it been 500 years since Harvey?

    • DaddyRay

      Feels like it with Trump in the WH

      • Ross

        Time slowed WAY down after 11/8/16.

        • bzrd

          and we wanted it to go back to 2009

        • Talisman

          Seriously.

          It’s only been 8 months.

  • Secure

    Safety to all in the path.

  • bkmn

    O/T – apparently Netanyahu’s son has been busy lately. First he supported the Nazis in Charlottesville and now he is busy posting anti-Soros anti-Semitic memes on Facebook

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/bibis-son-posts-anti-semitic-meme-on-facebook

  • Disqusdmnj

    We flew up my wife’s niece and her two kids from Coral Gables area to NJ.

    This includes an 18 month old baby.

    This is why I have a 15 y/o son, and stopped after that.

    • Cuberly

      Ha! Yeah that sounds like it was a walk in the park….yikes!

      Glad they’re safe. Lord knows how long it’s going to be before people are let back into the area.

      • Disqusdmnj

        Apparently, one day more than fish… 😜

        (That joke, guests and fish start to stink after three days, and we’re kicking them out tomorrow.)

  • DaddyRay

    Well we lost signal on the first video in the multi-cam link

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWhoLbbhkQ

    • DaddyRay

      Cam 1, 2 and 4 are now out

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    It took a few times but yeah, I see the chicken thing people are noticing.

  • Hue-Man

    Cassini to encounter heavy weather next week.

    On Sept. 15, 2017, the spacecraft will make its final approach to the giant planet Saturn. But this encounter will be like no other. This time, Cassini will dive into the planet’s atmosphere, sending science data for as long as its small thrusters can keep the spacecraft’s antenna pointed at Earth. Soon after, Cassini will burn up and disintegrate like a meteor.

    https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/grand-finale/overview/

    • Poor Cassini. Thanks to it and Huygens we learned so much about the moon Titan.

    • DaddyRay

      RIP Cassini

    • SoCalGal20

      Cassini’s Grand Finale, as NASA calls it. I saw a film about this when I did the JPL tour back in May. It will be interesting to see what information they are able get.

      Farewell, Cassini.

  • JCF

    Stay safe, everyone. You and all your peeps (inc your 4-legged peeps). <3<3

  • Carl

    I’m in Marion County, far away from the coast at least. About all I can do is duct tape the windows and hope for the best.

    • Michael White

      we are rooting for you.

    • perversatile

      According to my ancient Aunt Irina who has lived on Stuyvesant Square since the turn of the century (19th to 20th that is), you’re doing it all wrong. Use that duct tape to make ‘little crosses’ on each window pane, it will let God know a Christian lives there and he will be less likely to FUSU. (Fuck Your Shit Up)

  • Homo Erectus

    We’re getting some feeder bands already. Sun is still shining (7:00 EDT)

    • safari

      Where abouts are you?

      • Tomcat

        Yeah?

      • DaddyRay

        I believe HE said Pinellas County earlier but it sounds like an impressive bunker

        • Tomcat

          Just so he is not in his basement.

          • Tomcat

            That’s a Florida joke.

          • DaddyRay

            Unless you are Richard Branson

            Billionaire entrepreneur Richard Branson survived Hurricane Irma holed up in his concrete wine cellar
            https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/08/richard-branson-survived-hurricane-irma-on-necker-island.html

          • zhera

            There’s an interesting thought: Donnie calls Mar a Lago the ‘winter White house’. Does that mean the building has a secure area like the White House does, for the president to hide inside when there’s a threat of some kind?

            If not, his trips to MaL are very questionable.

            And if it does have a room or area like that, it could be used as a shelter now. Maybe. Depends on flooding, I guess.

          • Talisman

            His trips to MaL are questionable at best.

            Pretty much no security at all.

          • zhera

            Obviously! But there’s a reason why Camp David is the holiday WH, or whatever it’s called. Security, control, stability, SAFE ROOM.

          • Talisman

            But there’s no golf course at Camp David.

            If the dumpster wants a retreat in FL, he should donate MaL to the government, so that they can bring it up to the standards of Camp David.

          • zhera

            But then he can’t get the 200 000 dollar membership fees from grifters who want access to the president…

          • Talisman

            True that.

          • zhera

            Also, I think there might be a small golf course?

          • Furface

            Mrs. Post bequeathed it to the Park Service in 1973 along with an endowment for maintenance. It cost more to operate than the endowment provided. It’s also under the flight path for Palm Beach airport making security sketchy at best. In 1983 an act of congress returned it to the Post Foundation. Trump bought it in 1985 and converted it to a private club.

          • perversatile

            All my trips to MAL were questionable,
            and in certain environs, un-mentionable.

      • Homo Erectus

        Palm Harbor (pronounced while making pumping motion with fist). It’s between Dunedin and Tarpon Springs. Gulf of Mexico on the west, Lake Tarpon on the east.

    • Tomcat

      There are feeder bands as far north as Daytona Beach already but only few.

      • Homo Erectus

        8:00 AM Sunday. It is very calm and quiet.

  • Ninja0980

    Have some friends in Orange County for a Disney World Trip.
    Depending how the winds go, they might not have a park to visit Tuesday.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Uh oh. There’s no signal on the Keys live stream.

    EDIT: It just came back online.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Sustained winds there now over 50 mph.

    • Tomcat

      I am sure sure power off by now.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Lights are still on at the Marker Hotel.

  • Clive Johnson
    • DaddyRay

      You bad bad man – make sure to tell them not to stare directly into the eye without protection

      • bzrd

        and bring brunch to share

        • Silver Badger

          Loaves and fishes?

    • another_steve

      “The Reverend Jerry Falwell Jr. will offer the opening prayer, during which he will implore Jesus to divert any bad weather from the area. So have no fear. Bring your bathing suit!”

      • Jefe5084

        battle of the blowhards.

  • safari

    (O/T: And my computer is about to make a loud noise because there was an attempted sexual assault on campus at MSU.)

    • Tomcat

      Can’t call them that anymore, now it is just called boys will be boys again.

      • safari

        I like my university but it has had a terrible, terrible track record when it comes to sexual assault cases. I suspect they are going to have to settle a tens of millions of dollar suit shortly that involves dozens of victims.

        • Tomcat

          Try Tennessee University or Florida State University. They must have the record for attacks.

          • Tomcat

            They spend millions to hide them.

        • I would not be surprised, at all. Campuses just have far too many incentives to brush them under the rug and ignore them to deal with them properly without having their arms wrangled. Which is why it should be handled by some other group (not that police are necessarily much better, mind you, but they have far less incentive to shush things up)

          • Tomcat

            Especially since most are by sports jocks and the schools hide those.

    • Blake J Butler

      Betsy will jump to the rescue of the men’s in question and blame the girls in question.

  • Ninja0980

    O/T but the deplorables are going after Yashar on twitter and holding him responsible for whatever happened with his son.
    They are scum, but we knew that already.

    • LaChatSayWha

      Yep. THe party of personal responsibility. Yep.

  • ByronK

    My thoughts (sorry, don’t do prayers) are with all the JMGers who will be affected by the storm. Not much else I can do other than offering shelter in Toronto. Please take care, be safe, and know that we’re all thinking of you.

    • MBear

      Tough to think about bad weather with how nice it was today. Tables will turn when they have sunshine down south and we have power stopping freezing rain, eh?

      • Tomcat

        That’s right they have 51 more weeks of gorgeous weather.

        • MBear

          Sunshine, perhaps. But ive *never * experienced “gorgeous weather” in FL. Sunny: yes. Better than 20 below: massively. But “gorgeous “? I’ll take SoCal. Thanks. πŸ˜‰

          • UrsusArctos

            The only comfortable time to visit most of FL in March or late Oct.

        • MBear

          Followup: humidity makes my ass hair frizzy

        • colo303

          I’ve only had cloudy weather in Florida and have been there a fair amount.

      • ByronK

        True enough.

      • Lizard

        Weather is beautiful here in Irma’s path, too. It generally is right before you get slammed by a huge storm.

  • safari

    The 8PM ET interim public statement from NOAA is out.
    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT1+shtml/092352.shtml?

    The next update will be a “full update” at 11PM ET.

  • Will Parkinson

    All of you JMG’ers out there, please be safe.

  • Lazycrockett

    MSNBC is gonna talk to the guy who is riding out the storm in the Hemingway Museum after the break!!!!

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      I can’t figure out why he is doing that. It’s not going to help the building. He should grab the big pawed cats and get out of the way of Irma.

      • whollyfool

        I think they have over 50 cats and it was just too hard to move them. πŸ™

        • Lazycrockett

          54 cats, jesus.

          • whollyfool

            You can never have too many cats… until one day you do. πŸ™‚

          • Karl Dubhe

            Blas-Fur-me!111

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            Some days, one is too many. Of course, it is Her Majesty.

          • fuzzybits

            I have a friend with 17.

      • Ross

        There are a lot of reasons why some people do not, or cannot, leave.

        The Hemingway Museum is on high ground and should be OK during a storm surge. The house is built of 18-inch-thick stone, and has survived many a hurricane.

        And, the museum has like 50 cats. To evacuate would mean 50 freaked-out cats in two vans for perhaps a full day. That is IF they could get fuel.

        • whollyfool

          I’m so glad to hear about the sturdy building. Thanks. πŸ™‚

        • greenmanTN

          I hope it works out for them, but if it was me I’d lock 25 of them inside with a huge amount of food, put 25 cats in the 2 vans and hit the road. I love cats but this hurricane doesn’t seem like just a normal storm.

  • Michael R
    • zhera

      I read an article about that girl. She’s what you’d call Family. πŸ˜€ And really pretty and cool. The pics from when she was 11-ish.

  • DaddyRay
    • Treant

      I got as far as “faith journey” and shut it off, but it’s nice to see her cheered.

      • bzrd

        same

      • Joe in PA

        Nice dahlia.

        How long has it been since you heard THAT? πŸ™‚

        Side note, ours are finally blooming, but those zinnias are going nuts, even with all the rain, hardly any mildew. Whohoo.

        • Treant

          I heard “nice dahlia” about four minutes earlier. πŸ™‚

          For earlier blooming dahlia, start them in small pots about a month before your last frost date. You can plant them out when it’s time and they’ll pause for a few days, then go completely insane. First bloom will be about six to eight weeks after planting out, and they’ll bloom through frost.

          And yeah, the zinnia went insane this year. Mine are tangles of greenery and flowers. I kind of like it!

    • TuuxKabin

      Nice. Very nice. Glad they all can ‘practice their faith,’ but that all leaves me cold.

  • SoCalGal20

    MSNBC is interviewing the caretaker of the Ernest Hemmingway house.

    • Treant

      “Send this storm away NOW or I’m going to go clean Mr. Hemmingway’s shotgun!”

    • Cuberly

      All 54 cats are accounted for and in the building. I bet that was a fun herding process.

      • Natty Enquirer

        All it takes is 30 seconds banging on the tuna can.

        • Cuberly

          Ha!….they ran outside with battery powered can openers…lol….

        • Ross

          Funny. And true!

        • fuzzybits

          I do that or just say,”are you hungry?” and they come running.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            I hate to admit, but all I have to say is , “Kitty cat food.”

          • Rebecca Gardner

            I say “FOOD!” and mine come charging into the kitchen. I love cats. Such awesome, loving, funny, little fuzz balls.

        • Cuberly
        • Reality.Bites

          Half a second of electric can opener.

      • safari

        Where does one store 54 cats?

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        One at a time, one at a time.

      • m_lp_ql_m

        So does that make it a Cat 54 hurricane?

        • Cuberly

          Oooooooooooooo no no no….you Peter Punster you!

  • Lazycrockett

    The Mallory Key West Live cam has gone off line.

  • Ninja0980

    As strong as Irma is, the hurricane that hit the Keys in 35 was even stronger.
    I imagine the Hemmingway guy’s theory is that if it survived that, it can survive Irma too.

  • j.martindale

    Little sister lives in Nokomis on the water, about ten miles from where this is forecast to land. I don’t think she will have a house to return to. Brother, daughter, son in law and sister in law left Sarasota to go to Atlanta to stay with another brother and his two dogs, along with three or four cats and dogs of their own. Other family members moved inland. These people lived down there 50 years. First hurricane they ever left the state. It will be a disaster for some of them, I know.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Talisman

    My nephew is 7. He’s playing football, and the league is having a raffle to raise money. The prize? An AR-15 rifle.

    The world’s gone crazy.

    • zhera

      Who the hell comes up with such an idea?!?

      • Talisman

        I don’t know. But, because it’s my nephew, and I want to support him, I’ll be buying a ticket.

        • Lazycrockett

          Ask your nephew if he would rather you buy a ticket or take him to Chucky E Cheeses or something similar.

          • safari

            You’ll need an AR15 for Chuck E Cheese. They are dangerous.

        • zhera

          I hope you win the rifle then. And melt it down to make a Harvey Milk statue, or something.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I hope you win because I know you won’t be doing something dumb with it like cleaning it in front of your nephew and having it go off accidentally like so many Darwin Award winners seem to do.

          Why can’t they just sell candy and cookies as a fundraiser?

          • Talisman

            It’s AL. What do you expect?

      • Natty Enquirer
    • fuzzybits
  • Rebecca Gardner

    So Harvey hits Texas. Irma is gonna hit Florida. Next week Lee is gonna hit the Carolinas. Clearly God hates Red States and is trying to make the stop hating on people.

    Two people can play that game right. πŸ˜€

  • Reality.Bites
    • That_Looks_Delicious

      He wishes.

    • Treant

      “The power’s off, the electric fence is inactive! Run, Bruce, Lance, hairy guy! Run, we’re FREE!”

      • Silver Badger

        After CLOSE examination, I see no harry guy. Was he caught?

        • Treant

          That would be the guy I’d go after!

      • Paula

        Yeah, that happened in Jurassic Park, too. Look how that worked out.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Lazycrockett

    I’m kinda digging the Ali/Stephanie chemistry on MSNBC.

  • DaddyRay

    How the Florida “Stand Your Ground” crowd is spending their night

    https://twitter.com/davethematthews/status/906610171983663109

    • Treant

      True, but I’d kill to watch Peter Dinklage shooting a rifle larger than he is in hurricane force winds.

      Just a suggestion for the next Game of Thrones. That’s all.

      • perversatile

        Actual cross my heart swear to gawd conversation at work-
        Lunch time: K. is telling us about meeting an actor from GOT at DragonCon last weekend, M. is just looking on blankly so I ask,

        “Have you ever been to DragonCon?”
        “Uh-uh”
        “Do you watch Game of Thrones?”
        “No, I don’t like game shows.”

        Much beverage was expelled from many noses that day

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Dang! When Walmart closes, you *know* it’s serious.

    https://twitter.com/Uffc6/status/906681883483934720

    • Talisman

      Ok…that made me LOL.

    • Tomcat

      They cannot run without employees and they all evacuated.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Now where am I gonna get my cheap Chinese crap, boxes of ammo, and Grade D steaks from!?!?!?

    • LaChatSayWha

      Looking at that map just makes me think about the hundreds, maybe thousands, of small businesses that were closed by that vile conglomerate. If only the hurricanes could wipe the boxes off the map permanently.

      • Lazycrockett

        The way they are so poorly constructed that is a very real possibility.

    • Paula

      This another sign of the Apocalypse.

    • UrsusArctos

      It’s not REALLY serious until the Waffle Houses close. We usually do a last meal before storms at a Waffle House rather than crap up the house cooking. Those folks will need the tips too.

  • Wishing safety for all who might find themselves in the path of the storm. I need to turn off the TV and computer and read a book or something. Good night, you all.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Tomcat

      Religion is afraid of Science.

      • Friday

        The Christianists and other Abrahamic denialists don’t own ‘Religion’ either. Why’s that the one thing you *believe* them about?

        • Lizard

          They don’t own religion, but they are the threat in American politics right now. The politicians obstructing responsible climate change policy are Christian with few exceptions. The Republican Party has practically married Christianity, particularly Protestant evangelical Christianity. They are the ones worthy of this kind of criticism.

          • Friday

            Obviously they are the threat, why accept their narrative about what’s ‘religion’ either, is the point.

          • Lizard

            Because I’m tired of much-needed discourse on the detriment of religion constantly being crammed into politics being derailed by No True Scotsman fallacies. You can’t make a point about the dangers of decreasing separation of church and state without someone in the comments yammering on “But not all Christians are like this! They don’t own religion! WHY DO YOU HATE JESUS?!?!

            If you want church and state to stay separate, congratulations. You aren’t the problem.

          • Friday

            You seem to think when I talk about completely different religions also being ‘religion’ you think I’m talking about ‘Not all Like That’ Christians.

  • zhera

    I don’t know if I’ll be able to sleep, I’m getting quite nervous for Florida. I’m a worrier, me. but I’ll try.

    Hope to see all you lovely people here tomorrow. Check in here if it’s possible during tomorrow, and no shooting at Irma! *stern look*

    • Natty Enquirer

      Remember, zhera, you can worry and not sleep or not worry and sleep; either way, it will make no difference whatsoever to the people of Florida.

      • zhera

        Psshh, as if that logic will work on my brain! I wanted to get into mindfulness and meditation, but then I realized that I have no control over my brain.

        • ben-andy

          When you’re worried and you can’t sleep,
          Just count your blessings instead of sheep,
          And you’ll fall asleep, counting your blessings!

          Thanks, Bing.

    • Talisman

      If the local wal-mart is still open, buy a bottle of melatonin. In times like these, a pill is the answer.

      or talk to your doctor about ambien. They give that stuff away like candy.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Just make sure you go to bed right away. Waking Ambien intoxication can get you into trouble.

        • safari

          Yes. I know.

        • Talisman

          Not me. I have to take it at dinner time. And it might kick in by bed time.

          If I take it at bed time, I’ll toss and turn for hours and then be a basket case the next day.

      • TuuxKabin

        Sublingual melatonin. The pill delivers the ‘knock out punch’ and that’s about it. Sublingual, where an artery is, will be absorbed into the blood stream and continued to be delivered longer than a pill.

    • UrsusArctos

      Just know that, amazingly, for a while after this kind of thing Americans have pulled together and helped each other. Dead social media because of no electricity focuses us on getting life restored and helping others do the same.
      Yes, worry, but remember the US is the home of a strong, mongrel, people who can do right if given no other choice.

  • Blake J Butler

    Someone should look at Joy Reid’s twitter feed, she is letting the bots have it for telling Hillary to shut up about last year and her book talking about sanders.

    She as usual is letting them have it with no fucks to give.

    • leastyebejudged

      Millions of people in the path of pending catastrophe, and you’re being a petty little bitch.

      You’re a sickening little person.

      • Ross

        Ahhhh, classic projection.

      • Carl

        As I said up thread, I’m in the path of this hurricane and I’ll talk about whatever I want.

        Bernie Sanders is the new Gun Control or Climate Change. It’s never an appropriate time to talk about him, according to the people who still insist there’s something to him.

      • Moebym of the Returners

        What’s your fucking problem? Now I remember why I once blocked you.

        • leastyebejudged

          Kill yourself you POS.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Ninja0980

      Telling it like it is, me like!

    • Michael R

      Trump is not my president , Joy Reid is

    • Do Something Nice

      Because this is important right now. Between 2 hurricanes, a massive earthquake, potential war can we please stop this nonsense – for a week anyway.

      • Lazycrockett

        Tell that to the Bros. all besides themselves that the first female nominee from a major party wrote a fucking book bout the experience.

        • Do Something Nice

          The first female candidate from a major party who lost to the least favorable candidate in the history of the US probably indicates that she wasn’t the right candidate. And I’m guessing that Sanders wasn’t the right candidate either.

          • Lazycrockett

            She won it though, fair and square.

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            +3 million!

          • Do Something Nice

            The primary yes. The election that counts, no, she lost.

          • TuuxKabin

            JFC. Lost what? With 3 million more votes than the resident. She selectively lost.

          • Lazycrockett

            and we will discover in due time it was stolen from her.

          • LaChatSayWha

            Yes. Crazy how she lost by .9% in the 3 states that determined the election. Those 3 states also happened to be the states inundated by hundreds of Dump’s lawyers during the recount.

            When the true numbers finally emerge, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that she won by over 6 million. It’s going to take a while to expose the truth of this election, but shit is definitely going to look very different from hindsight.

          • Ross

            Thank you.
            Thank you.
            Thank you.

          • Talisman

            Exactly. Russian hackers “won” this for the dumpster.

          • Friday

            Which you were among those trying so hard to make happen for dumb reasons.

          • Do Something Nice

            I certainly didn’t want Trump to win and I voted for Clinton.

          • As well as our family.

          • Ross

            Ah, Hillary received more votes than any white man in history.

            So…it seems like she WAS a good candidate.

            And her “loss”? Well, since 11/8/16, I have been saying the same thing: Russia likely stole the election for Trump.

          • Do Something Nice

            She got more votes because there are more voters than anytime in history. Comparing the number of votes she got to say Truman is ridiculous because the population has more than doubled since 1948. So we look at percentages, not actual votes and when we do that, Clinton’s is a lackluster performance compared to other presidential elections. See the link below.

            As for Russia, I don’t agree. I think that these are the reasons why she lost in order of impact: Comey, sexism, Clinton campaign mistakes.

            https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/popular-vote/

          • Talisman

            or, more realistically, Russian hackers.

          • Ross

            Wow. You think Truman is relevant to the discussion?

            If Hillary were such a bad candidate, she would have gotten millions less votes than Obama did in 2012. But she got about the same.

            Taking into account Comey, sexism, the 24/7 nonsense about emails, the 25-year vilifying campaign against her by the GOP, and, oh, RUSSIA, Hillary did amazingly well.

            And I will not be surprised if Mueller proves that the election was hacked.

          • Do Something Nice

            You wrote “Hillary received more votes than any white man in history.” Truman is a white man in history. I used him as an example for the purposes of stark comparison of populations then and now and to illustrate why comparing number of votes and not percents is idiotic.

            I am not obsessed with Bernie. I am not obsessed with Clinton. I can’t say the same for you so I’m ending the conversation with you.

            Have a good evening.

          • Ross

            Bye, dear.

          • In hindsight we’d have been better off with someone like Biden, but we didn’t see the Trump thing coming until it was too late and even then we all gave voters credit for seeing through his lies and empty promises.

        • How many online Bernie Bros are actual Bernie supporters and how many are Russian bots?

      • SoCalGal20

        Apparently not since the Bros and others think it’s just a perfect time to drag Hillary because how DARE she write a book about her 2016 campaign experiences.

        Also, I can multitask.

        • TuuxKabin

          And you do it well, the multitask thang.

          • SoCalGal20

            Thank you! I try.

        • Do Something Nice

          I do look forward to reading it. I especially want to read how her campaign’s malicious smear campaign, saying that Sanders never participated in the civil rights marches, worked out of them.

          • Lazycrockett
          • SoCalGal20

            Ha yeah. I added them to my block list.

          • TuuxKabin

            Oh do something nice and shut the fuck up.

          • JCF

            Every time I unKillFile that…Bro, I regret it within a week.

          • TuuxKabin

            Like Boreal, formerly known as Oikos, once killed they’re dead forever.

          • Nychta

            Is Boreal no longer with us? Haven’t seen him for a month or so.

          • TuuxKabin

            Love the new avatar. Who’s that behind the . . . how’d that ad go?

            I’ll drop you a note.

          • Nychta

            LOL – Foster Grants.

            This photo, probably taken sometime during the 60s, is Spanish actress Amparo BarΓ³, who died in 2015 at the age of 77. I know her work from a Spanish TV series where she plays the stern admin of a boarding school. The moment I saw her I was intrigued, and sensed she was a long-time beloved actress.
            http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Amparo_Bar%C3%B3

          • TuuxKabin

            Thanks for the link. We’ll follow up. Don’t know her and look forward to finding out more.

            I wrote you a brief note.

          • JCF

            That’s true if blocked. I’m just loathe to use Block for anything other than bigots & spammers.

          • Why did you not like Boreal?

          • TuuxKabin

            You misunderstand. I was likening my reaction to how Boreal would block. When blocked they stayed blocked. He often mentioned that. I’ve always appreciated Boreal, formerly Oikos, and had a good back n’ forth with him. I remember him as one of the first commentater tots here when I first began showing up. And I miss his comments, gifs, memes and direct nature in dealing with things. Miss him a lot, wish him well and hope everything is good with and for him.

          • Do Something Nice

            Thanks. I won’t be seeing your comments anymore.

          • TuuxKabin

            As if I have a fuck to give.

          • perversatile

            Terrible rip of of ‘Little Miss Sunshine” though it does occasionally come in quite handy. Feel free to copy, paste and apply as often as needed to areas of annoyance for immediate relief.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-bvse-sM7Q

          • Friday

            We can tell you’re a con when you project like that you know.

          • Ross

            Source?

            Credible source?

          • TuuxKabin

            Out his ass.

          • Ross

            Yep.

          • Do Something Nice

            This captures some of the story. Capehart’s partner worked for Clinton and there are other details that make this much worse.

            https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/13/1484738/-Sanders-Photographs-Civil-Rights-and-Responsible-Reporting-An-Update

          • Ross

            Nope.

            You stated that her campaign did a malicious smear campaign.

          • Do Something Nice

            Note that I wrote that this captures some of the story. I’m not your research assistant. Again, have a good evening.

          • Ross

            In short: you can’t back up your lie.

          • Lizard

            “I’m not your research assistant.”

            If you make a claim, you back up your own fucking claim. You don’t publish a paper and write “Look it up yourself” in the references section.

            Love, a scientist.

          • greenmanTN
      • leastyebejudged

        These petty, vindictive, shallow queens are our “community”, so don’t talk down to the little bitches like that, show the assholes some fucking respect.

      • Carl

        I’m about to get hit by a hurricane and I’ll talk about whatever I damn well feel like, thank you very much, concern troll.

        If Bernie is so damn amazing why are we never allowed to talk about the only time he came to national prominence?

        Joy is right. The cult of Bernie is just okie-dick good ole’ boy bullshit and people have had enough.

        • Do Something Nice

          Yes, a Jewish socialist from the Northeast is a good ole’ boy. My issue is that some Clintonista are so obsessed and we need to move on. Some Bernie Bros too. I do not support Bernie or Hillary running again for president and I want us to move forward. These petty arguments are ensuring that Trump will have an 8 years as president.

          • Ross

            I can argue.

            AND, I can move forward.

          • TuuxKabin

            Your one of a thousand issues, bitter complainer.

          • I remember in early 2016 being equally annoyed about both the Clintonistas and the Bernie Bots. I would up voting for Clinton and don’t regret that vote although I wish I’d had more options. I actually rather like both Clinton and Sanders well enough, at least more than their online fans. But really why so upset that she wrote a book. Everyone will be done talking about it in a few weeks anyway.

          • Steve Smith

            Seems to me that its not really Clinton supporters who have an inability to “move on”. Frankly you all need to STFU and get some decent candidates and policies sorted out, and soon. Your bloody awful fake democracy has been fucking up the entire planet for far too long so do us all a favour and sort it out.

      • TuuxKabin

        STFU.

    • Natty Enquirer

      LOL. Amen, sister. Those who can’t stop complaining about the past have nothing to offer for the future.

    • Joe in PA

      Now THAT was a tweet storm! Not a single “Sad!” nor “very, very”.

      Love that woman.

    • JCF
  • Lazycrockett

    Winds are currently bout 50 mph in Key West.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    It was a dark and stormy night.
    The warehouse, safe and far removed from the approaching menace, was packed with long-haired sweaty men riding out the storm.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Outside this desolate shelter, rain pounded against the frosted windows, as lightning bolts struck relentlessly.
      Suddenly, even over the disco music, a piercing howl shattered the night, followed by the scream of some unfortunate creature.

      • Natty Enquirer

        “Troy, you okay?” hollered Michael, straining to be heard over 150 watts of Donna Summer pounding out of the loudspeakers.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          An ungodly, blood-smeared face pressed up against the window. Lightning flashed off its long teeth and blood-red eyes. The terrified men backed away from this preternatural apparition. Troy clung to Michael, desperate for protection.

    • bkmn

      I wonder how Eugene would describe Irma. He usually only fantasizes about hot and sweaty long-haired men

      • Stogiebear

        He’ll be all over it because he has special knowledge that Irma’s just the hurricane’s drag name.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Oh, Eugene. He’s been so quiet lately. That’s a good thing.

    • greenmanTN
  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I wonder about the following things:

    1. Will a large number of people leave Florida instead of rebuilding? Especially if another hurricane or two hits the state this season?

    2. Will business leave Florida? Will there be less building?

    3. Will Florida GOP actually get loud about climate change instead of just silently wringing hands and sniveling that the national party doesn’t listen to their concerns? (I vote they will continue wringing & sniveling)

    4. Will fewer people move to Florida for retirement after this?

    • Ninja0980

      IMO, the answer will be no to all four of those questions, especially number three.

    • safari

      No. This article today makes me think the state will do what it always has: turn a wasteland into real estate.
      https://twitter.com/politico/status/906682403820843008

      • Tulle Christensen

        Curse you Mr. Flagler

      • Bluto

        A good read.

    • SoCalGal20

      Rick Scott has forbidden the words “climate change”. I doubt there will be any progress regarding climate change as long as FL GOP is in power.

      • safari

        In the modern world if you refuse to name something it doesn’t exist, evidently.

        • Friday

          The Christianists still think that if they can avoid *blame* they don’t have to deal with *problems.* That’s why they’re so maniacal about persecuting scapegoats.

    • OdieDenCO

      New Orleans has just now moved back in to the top 50 most populated cities after falling off after Katrina.

    • ultragreen

      No, Florida will continue to swell in population because the Federal government will bail most people out, enabling them to rebuild. Don’t underestimate Federal disaster relief in influencing population movements. These southern states have been sucking the life out of the northern states for several decades now.

      Also, people are stupid.

    • Talisman

      Maybe they’ll all go to Arizona?

      • Nychta

        Hey, now. (Phoenix dweller here.)

        Oddly enough, the main library in Phoenix suffered severe water damage after a monsoon storm caused a sprinkler pipe to burst, flooding all five floors of the library and damaging a big chunk of the collection. Even in the desert….

        Library isn’t scheduled to reopen till mid 2018.

        • TuuxKabin

          Been there. Great library. That’s a terrible loss for so many.

          • Nychta

            The branch libraries are stepping up. Some even now have Sunday hours (gasp)!

        • Talisman

          Is it wrong that I mourn the destruction of a library more than I mourn loss of human life?

          Just mentioning the Library at Alexander makes me weep.

          • Nychta

            It’s sadness about accumulated wisdom (even if the Romance section of the Phoenix library was larger than the Science section) being lost. Have you seen the film Agora? Before seeing it I knew the library at Alexandria had burned, I just didn’t know what led up to it.

      • ColdCountry

        Wildfires.

  • thom

    A few days ago it was tracking along the east coast. So i packed up my husband and our 3 cats and went to his moms place in Safety Harbor, right by Tampa. Now we’re stuck there, too late to get out and zero gas for the car…
    Yeah, that plan didn’t work out so well. Grrrr….
    I’m in evacuation zone E and they won’t be calling for us to be evacuated. We can take up to 28 ft of storm surge here (theoretically).. so we should just have to deal with the wind.

    #ScaredShitless

    • safari

      I have friends with family in I think C.

      • thom

        They only evacuated A and B. I assume it’s too late to do any further orders. Tropical Storm winds start at 8am

    • Hank

      A friend mine, lives in New Port Richey. She wanted me to leave FTL and stay with her. I chose to hunker down here. Another friend of hers, drove up there from Miami, so like yourself, she went from bad to worse. They are both considering what to do next.
      I wish you luck, Thom, and that you and your family stays safe!!

    • Tulle Christensen

      yea my guess is the models did not handle the noreaster that is hitting north Florida correctly, they underestimate the noreasters ability to push Irma west

    • SoCalGal20

      It sounds like if you have to be stuck on that side that you’re in a pretty safe area, at least with regards to storm surge. That’s important.

    • FAEN

      Jeebus! Stay safe and dry. Let us know the minute you can that you are safe after the storm.

      • thom

        Will do!

  • DaddyRay
  • Ninja0980

    Sad to say, but when all is said and done, I do fear next time a storm hits folks won’t leave due to the fact it was supposed to hit Miami and is now likely to hit Tampa instead.

    • thom

      More than a couple ppl evacuated fr9m the east coast to Tampa and are now stuck without enough gas to evacuate again. It’s a fucking mess

      • Ninja0980

        It is indeed.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Yeah, but the storm is bigger than Florida is wide. Miami is gonna look like Venice this time tomorrow.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Rockola404

    Dear Joe, have you ever visited that wondeful Key West restaurant cLled Camelia’s?

  • SoCalGal20

    I guess the WH talking point is that Trump is an “independent”. Shameful that a bunch of the main media have fallen for it or are just printing the WH propaganda.

    https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/906690793146122240

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/906555582148235265

    https://twitter.com/varshaoforange/status/906693778555133952

    • TuuxKabin

      Wipe that fuckin’ resident in white house smirk off your face, goddamn it Chuck.

    • Tulle Christensen

      He is not independent he works for Putin

      • DaddyRay

        Independent Russian Contractor for Hire

        • Hank

          Check Deutsche Bank, Alpha Bank and ALL the banks on Cyprus!!!

    • Ken M

      Trump isn’t even capable of Independent thought.

      • TuuxKabin

        Independent?

    • bkmn

      He is not indy, he just wanted to fuck over Lyin’ Ryan and McTraitor so he sided with the Dems.

    • Natty Enquirer

      If by “independent” you mean unscrupulous, narcissistic opportunism, yes.

    • grada3784

      The Trumps are for the Trumps.

    • JCF

      Brought to you by the same losers who’ve said “Trump is pivoting!” “Trump is becoming Presidential!” every other month since June 2015.

      Just siddown & shaddup! >:-(

  • safari

    Chris Hayes has tweeted this again tonight. It says that based on just over a century of data collection of modern times models indicate that the rainfall was a widespread 25,000 year event with isolated 500,000 year pockets. (Again this is based on the data we have collected in modern record keeping, not an analysis of the history of the past tens of thousands of years.)
    https://twitter.com/ClimateSignals/status/906519198733651969

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Thank gawd Dumpf yanked us out of that terrible Paris Accord just in time!
      If it happened 25,000 years ago, that just proves climate change is a hoax!

  • safari

    Pet owners may be prosecuted for leaving their dogs tied to trees when they evacuated.
    https://twitter.com/pbpost/status/906630881867190272

    • thom

      I hope so!

    • DaddyRay

      These people despicable

    • Lazycrockett

      Why would you tie them to a tree to begin with? Jesus if you’re going to be that cruel just shoot the poor thing.

    • Ninja0980

      As they should be.
      You are leaving them to die, simple as that.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Maybe they thought they were securing the trees…?

    • Nic Peterson

      They should be prosecuted for animal cruelty.

      • jmax

        Take the dog to a shelter and tie the owner to the tree.

        • fuzzybits

          Exactly!

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          Upvote 1,000,000 X’s

      • ColdCountry

        I believe they are looking at felony charges.

        • Nic Peterson

          Good. I hope their prayers to white Jesus about not going to jail aren’t answered.

          • ColdCountry

            If there is a Jesus, he may answer their prayers in a way they don’t like. As my sister says, he gives what you need, not necessarily what you want. This time, I hope she’s right!

    • perversatile

      ”may be prosecuted”
      You spelled ‘should be executed’ wrong.

      • TuuxKabin

        On the spot. Like looters, if that still holds.

      • edrex

        shot on site.

        • perversatile

          See jmax’s post

    • ultragreen

      The tweet says law enforcement rescued about 23 dogs that were tied to trees at a mobile home park in Belle Glade, Florida. Poor dogs, abandoned by their owners.

      • whollyfool

        Wtf

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Thats horrific! I might be crazy (shut up!), but if the choice in an imminent disaster was evacuate and leave Dexter behind or face possible life altering or ending results, I’d hunker down with him and if the worst came, he would be in my arms and we in Husbeast’s ample arms.

      Leaving him, I would be haunted until my end over what I imagine would have been his sense of terror and abandonment at such a time.

      Seriously, what else would a person with a heart and an ounce of empathy do for this guy?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5a9f8ac53afe8ba3a3e9ffb2bf75cc930a0ed277cfa538e8f5b9a1915fc6a03.jpg

      EDIT: Just writing that I was compelled to go in to bedroom and cuddle with him a bit. He goes to bed early….

      • SoCalGal20

        He’s adorable!

        Some people shouldn’t have pets.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          Or kids…..and it’s usually the same people.

      • grada3784

        Replace the brown with black and you have my Hymie. Deceased these 32.5 years unfortunately.

        • JCF

          We never get over them, do we? Lost Mitzi in 1980, Sasha in 1986. :-(…

          • grada3784

            More so than usual for me. My ex and I broke up less than 2 months after Hymie died. He was what was holding us together.

            Then I got sober a year later.

      • TuuxKabin

        Love you love your dog, but not particularly in that order, just sayin’.

      • ByronK

        You’re both so adorable!

      • TuuxKabin

        Please go back, if he’s not already asleep, and give him another cuddle from 2 of us.

      • JCF

        Some kind of hound? That Face… <3

    • JCF

      Nobody who does that gets their pet back. Find them a truly LOVING family.

    • greenmanTN

      Not that I would want anyone to do this either, but just letting them loose would give them a better chance at survival!

      • Nychta

        I thought about this. If I had to evacuate I’d secure my turtle in a pocket or a bag, secure my cat in a carrier, and take off. However, I also care for a feral cat who does not want to be touched, much less put in a box. I’d have to trust his instincts to find for himself the best place to ride out a disaster. Last thing I’d want to do is confine him.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Hurricane-force winds beginning to arrive at the Keys now. Radar suggests Irma is regaining strength as the eye moves out into the Florida Strait.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    This is about a different natural disaster, but I just read an article about the earthquake in Mexico. Apparently, the seismic alert system worked and the alarms went off 2 minutes before the quake was felt, which allowed millions of people to get into safe locations.

    California is supposedly developing a statewide earthquake early warning system, possibly getting rolled out as early as next year.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Ninja0980

      He wouldn’t be nominating far right conservative judges to the bench if he was an Independent.

      • Talisman

        And that’s the only reason he’s still in office.

        Losing the courts sets back progressive rights in this country for a generation, if not longer. We’re going to start seeing roll backs on reproductive rights, voting rights, gay rights, and all kinds of things.

        And I don’t just mean abortion – it sets back contraceptive rights, which is the single most important advance in women’s rights in the last 100 years.

        And it endangers marriage equality. Never believe that the courts will simply reverse Obergfell or Windsor – Conservatives don’t believe marriages between same-sex partners are valid, and would gladly void them without a second thought.

        Everything hinges on whether RGB, Breyer, and Kennedy survive the next 4 years. They are the 3 oldest justices right now. RGB’s health is precarious, and Kennedy is floating rumors about retirement. Basically, we’re screwed.

        • boobert

          It still makes no sense that they tolerate trump. They’d still have pence.

          • Talisman

            They don’t care. So long as the President is playing ball. And the dumpster’s antics distract from whatever they are doing.

        • Ninja0980

          Not SCOTUS but the lower courts as well, which is where the obstruction of Obama’s nominees went uncovered by the media.
          The 3rd Circuit, which covers PA,NJ and DE, the 7th which covers WI,IL and IN and even the 9th are going to take very sharp turns to the right when Trump and Republicans are done with them.
          The 7th Circuit in particular is going to go from a moderate court to a far right hellhole like the 5th and 8th for generations to come.
          Put it bluntly, the only way to resolve that will be to do away with lifetime tenure for judges.
          Such a shame Democrats won’t have the balls to do it next time they take power.

  • Hue-Man

    PBS Newshour Weekend – Florida Superfund sites. Video and transcript.

    JASON DEAREN, REPORTER, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS: Well, there are more than 50 superfund sites in Florida alone. In Miami, we have identified with the help of a 2012 EPA internal study, as well as an external study done by two researchers from American University, which of those sites are actually in the flood plain, so the most prone to flooding. And, since Wednesday, I visited six of those sites to see, you know, kind of how they appeared before the storm and what was being done, if anything, to prepare them for the expected storm surges, flooding and winds.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/texas-florida-toxic-sites-risk-flooding/

    • Nychta

      Sheesh, I hadn’t thought about that.

  • Lazycrockett

    MSNBC needs a better weather guy.

    • Cuberly

      Bruno McBarkey says, it’s windy out.

      https://m.popkey.co/552998/jZQyo.gif

      • bzrd

        oh fck, that’s sooooooooooooooooo funny

      • greenmanTN

        Literally crying with laughter!

        • Cuberly

          I couldn’t stop watching it.

      • DumbHairyApe

        Kind of reminds me of this:
        https://youtu.be/4oAdXE6Stdc

        • Cuberly

          Well, I’ve heard of stretching but that is uh…..the last place you want wind burn.

        • Max_1

          Flapping in the breeze…

        • Bluto

          They should be aiming for monica cole’s backyard. give that shrew a heart attack.

    • SoCalGal20

      I like MSNBC’s weather guys (Sam Champion and the other guy in-studio).

  • SoCalGal20

    MSNBC has Sam Champion on right now.

    • Ninja0980

      I miss him on Good Morning America.

      • Nychta

        I really liked him on GMA. He did some cool features in addition to the usual weather reports.

        • Ninja0980

          I understand why he left but it’s just a damn shame it didn’t work out at the Weather Channel.
          The falling out TWC had with Verizon didn’t help either, as that cut the numbers of people who got that station.

      • Hank

        Never saw him before, the other day. There is something about him, that “grabs” me!!! Sigh….

  • Lazycrockett

    So Irma is just moving at 7 MPH over the straits of Florida giving it plenty of time to absorb more energy.

    • SoCalGal20

      Yep. And it seems to be getting better organized around the eye. The time over Cuba degraded the eye some but now it seems to be picking up and with it slowed down it will probably regain some strength.

      • Talisman

        “Eye wall replacement”

        • UrsusArctos

          That’s good IF it’s not complete by landfall. Hurricanes weaken (a bit) during replacement cycle, then it’s off to the races stronger than before once the replacement is complete.

      • Ninja0980

        I expect it will be a 4 by landfall.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Hank

      I want to see the stilettos, that he is wearing that are tucked under the desk!!

    • ultragreen

      How quaint. Not very high-tech, is it?

      • Chris H.

        That’s the first thing I noticed too. Of course if we had a president that believed in science and climate change and computers.

        • bzrd

          months ago someone said he likes charts and pictures

          • JCF

            He can’t use a computer. He has to have everything printed out.

          • Tomcat

            Of himself.

    • Lazycrockett

      Is that Hope Hicks?

      • ultragreen

        Yes.

      • greenmanTN

        I thought she stayed under the desk!

        • bzrd

          not for the press, silly

    • Talisman

      Faux is not covering Irma?

    • Ken M

      Is she in a sleeveless black dress?

    • boobert

      Photo op ! Everyone look concerned !

    • Bryan

      He wants to see if his palaces are safe, and how much he gets to collect in insurance otherwise.

    • OdieDenCO

      “and here we are planning the donald trump hurricane Irma memorial golf course”

    • safari
      • greenmanTN

        They aren’t going to start that pivot shit again are they?

        • UrsusArctos

          Hells yeah! They’re pivoting faster than Irma’s turning north.

    • Tomcat

      He looks bald in this photo.

    • johncAtl

      This awesome image appears right now as the first response to the tweet.

      And what’s going on with the way Tillerson (at least I think it’s him) is holding his hand? It looks like he’s fighting hard the desire to strangle Trump.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f3814e9b70fc919cee74e4101378803d448b838a6eab4d2b1c91746ab832f58.jpg

  • DaddyRay
    • Hank

      A Russian Lawyer???

      • colo303

        A Russian prostitute?

    • ultragreen

      500 guns?

    • Karl Dubhe

      A blow up sex toy.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Depends.

      • Bryan

        On the Trump home, or actual Depends?

        Oh, and a collective IQ beneath 90.

    • bkmn

      Confederate flags – plural

    • Bryan

      Detailed documentation on how incestuous shacking one’s cousin is?

      • grada3784

        Ask Rudy Ghouliani.

        • Bryan

          All statistics from Rudy are in multiples of 9/11. Rendering them unreadable.

          • grada3784

            But it would be interesting to see how he worked 9/11 into his marriage to his cousin.

          • Bryan

            The end-result of 9/11 is cousins marrying each other while nazis ride fire engines around the white house?

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Hurricane Irma?

    • Cuberly

      That thread is awesome. It’s sorta heartening that it’s heavily anti-trump.

      • DaddyRay

        I got a good chuckle out of most of the posts

    • OdieDenCO

      hoods

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Emily wins the internet for a year with this reply!
      https://twitter.com/CIAspygirl/status/906704186883973120

      • Nychta

        LOL – I just posted that, too.

    • safari

      Jim Bakker food buckets

    • ultragreen

      Broken recliners, holes in the roof, and lots of garbage from Walmart and Big Lots.

    • glass

      Spray tan in a can, orange hair dye, 1000’s of gold leafing kits, lot’s of red MAGA hats, deep fat fryer, 5 gallon bucket of vegetable oil, conspiracy theory books.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Speaking of hair dye, the Presidency is clearly stressing out Trump. Next time he is on TV look at his hair. The sides are getting greyer and the skull merkin on the top of his head is still bright blonde/orange/whatever. It looks hysterical. I noticed that when he was on TV yesterday.

        • Talisman

          The worst job in the world is POTUS. Even an incompetent moron would be affected.

          • UrsusArctos

            So, it shouldn’t bother 45*, right?

        • m_lp_ql_m

          If he dyes his hair though, why would the sides be grey?

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            Because only the top is died squirrel pelt.

          • stuckinthewoods

            The polyester on the top doesn’t need dye and he hasn’t touched up the sides recently.

        • glass

          Maybe he needs huckabee’s and mooch’s makeup person. I doubt it would help, republicans are beauty challenged, I submit Jan Crouch as an example.
          http://www.joemygod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/JanCrouch-660×330.jpg

    • Carl
    • Nychta
    • That_Looks_Delicious

      My favorite was “KEYBOARDS WITH STUCK CAPS-LOCK KEY”

  • Lazycrockett
    • DaddyRay

      It is all on its way to Key West

    • DaddyRay

      I hope that water doesn’t come rushing back too quickly

      • Nychta

        Someone commented on her Twitter feed that if the ocean recedes due to a hurricane the water returns gradually. I sure hope so.

    • Bryan

      Mom showed me that an hour or two ago, that’s horrifying.

    • TuuxKabin

      Like an approaching tsunami. That’s ominous.

    • SoCalGal20

      Uh, that doesn’t seem good.

    • ultragreen
      • DaddyRay

        Act Now – it is going fast

        • ultragreen

          Don’t wait too long, or it will be Gone!

        • OdieDenCO

          before the phase “underwater mortgage” is literal

    • Tomcat

      That is how people get killed in hurricanes.

    • DumbHairyApe

      Please people, GET OUT OF THE OCEAN, IT’S THE SHARKS’ HOME!!!! And the ocean’s going to return FAST.

    • stevenj

      That’s what happens before a tsunami.

  • DumbHairyApe

    Was CNN pranked??? I thought I heard a weatherman reading some information about some storm damage in a town called β€œPuta Gorda”…last I checked that means β€œfat whore”…

    • TuuxKabin

      A creek in Central California Valley, Puta Creek.

      • JCF

        It’s spelled “Putah”. My alma mater, UC Davis, is located on Putah Creek.

        • TuuxKabin

          Got it. UC Davis still as gorgeous campus as, or, since the 70’s?

          • JCF

            Hmmm. There’s a number of new buildings. Most good, but a few fugly. The Quad is still the Quad. The Arboretum is still the Arboretum (actually, that’s probably better than in the 70s! Trees are taller). I don’t think it’s changed too much…

          • TuuxKabin

            We passed thru on the week before last, PDX to Richmond. Stopped briefly and the station looked very campus/university-ish, lots of bicyclists boarded to continue the trip to the bay area. The train was traveling slow enough I thought I’d see Putah Creek, must have zipped by without noticing. I wanted to show el HubCap.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Punta Gorda”

      • Lazycrockett

        Which means fat what?

        • m_lp_ql_m

          Fat point.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Putin is fat.

      • DumbHairyApe

        Oh. I better start looking into hearing aids…

        • Natty Enquirer

          Never mind.

        • Talisman

          I didn’t quite catch that….

        • Adam King

          If you’re looking into them you’re using them wrong.

    • JW Swift

      There is a “Punta Gorda” (with an “N”) here in FL (I forget where it is, though).

    • ultragreen

      Punta Gorda is in SW Florida.

    • johncAtl

      Punta Gorda took a direct hit from Hurricane Charley in 2004. There was massive damage as the storm moved inland, even as far as Orlando.

    • UrsusArctos

      Puta Gorda is the owner of Merde-A-Lago

    • Adam King

      I’m somewhat damaged, but I’m certainly not a town.

    • Snarkaholic

      Anything’s possible; there’s a town in Kentucky called Monkey’s Eyebrow.

  • Lazycrockett
  • boobert

    Of the 3 webcams posted earlier, the one in the harbor is down.

    • Lazycrockett

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGD1byu7gJc&feature=youtu.be

      Key West Cam, corner of Duvell and Front. Two Friends.

      • ColdCountry

        I’m surprised the power is still on!

        • SoCalGal20

          It seems like the Miami area is getting the worst of the weather right now. I heard on MSNBC a while ago that there were like 130,000 people without power but they didn’t say where the power outages were.

        • ultragreen

          Most of the lights have gone out.

      • JCF

        “LIVE”: until they aren’t.

        • johncAtl

          And with that the lights went out.

  • Lazycrockett

    https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/906708300422676480

    He’s not Anderson but hes doing his best.

  • bkmn

    Semi-O/T – just saw on twitter that the Seattle Yelp community manager, who was on one of the US Virgin Islands when Irma hit is alive and basically stranded for a while. Cell service has been spotty at best and she and her boyfriend are helping with cleanup

  • JHunter
    • johncAtl

      If it’s coming ashore it’s a waterspout and not a tornado.

      • Adam King

        Whatever it is, I don’t like it, not one bit.

      • DumbHairyApe

        If it’s coming off the ‘glades, it’s a Crocnado.

        • Snarkaholic

          If it’s coming off Mar-A-Lago, it’s a whore-nado.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lizard

      Field goal, 20-19 Georgia.

  • DaddyRay

    On CNN they just said Fire Fighters in Miami were responding to calls – one for someone stuck in an elevator. I don’t think I would be in an elevator with a Hurricane blowing in

    • Ross

      You might be if you were eighty.

      • DaddyRay

        I guess but I think I would be in my unit and not riding the elevator

    • ultragreen

      Some buildings in Miami are pretty tall. Ever walk down, or walk up, 50 flights of stairs before?

      • DaddyRay

        Actually yes – I lived at Park Place in Chicago on the 50th floor and the fire alarm went off. I had to walk down 50 flights of stares – I did not walk back up. I went to eat and waited a few hours after the fire alarm was over so I didn’t have to wait at the elevator

    • Lazycrockett

      People should already be hunkered down in place. No reason to be out and about in Miami at this point.

      • DaddyRay

        My thoughts exactly – the only thing worse than being hunkered down on the 50th floor wondering if my windows would blow out or a tree would projectile through my unit would be to spend a day in an elevator with no air conditioning, water, bathroom or an outlet to recharge my phone for 24 hours or more

        • johncAtl

          If you’re on the 50th floor and a tree comes through the window you are definitely being targeted.

          • Adam King

            It’s the buttsex. Uprooted trees hate the buttsex.

          • Talisman

            I’m drunk enough that that was funny.

          • Adam King

            I’m drunk enough to think of it.

  • Talisman

    I’m watching Animal ER on Nat Geo Wild. Dr. Caleb Hudson is a bit twinky, but kind of cute.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Now someone has done a Things You Find in a Hillary Supporter’s House thread and it’s overwhelmingly positive.

    https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/906713773821501440

    • Lazycrockett

      Good. The Bernie Bros having been throwing kitten fits cause it seems that people who are reading the book are giving it glowing reviews and her book tour is selling out through out the country.

      • Rebecca Gardner
        • Lizard

          I’m getting a little tired of Bernie Bros who laugh at Drumpf for bringing up the election, then turn around and start lecturing everyone on why Bernie totes would have won.

          • Talisman

            People could not care less about free college. They want jobs. And Sanders would have got his ass kicked in the general election.

          • ultragreen

            If you think young people could care less about free college, you really don’t have clue.

          • Talisman

            Young people in college care about free college. The problem is that many of the people in college don’t really need to be there, but everything in our society encourages them to pursue a bachelor’s degree.

            What we need is emphasis on skilled trades and technical professions. And those rarely require a 4-year degree.

          • Lazycrockett

            Which Hillary kept talking bout during the campaign but you know emails.

          • Lizard

            Except Bernie never really explained how he was going to feasibly make that happen. He made these wild, grandiose propositions that sound great in theory, but there was no compromise to them, so they would never get passed. And when Hillary pointed that out, she got slammed.

      • ultragreen

        And now it is time for a reality check: Donald Trump is an unpopular president, but Hillary Clinton is even less popular than he is, book or no book:

        http://www.newsweek.com/trump-not-popular-hillary-clinton-even-worse-approval-rating-polls-661070

        P.S., Bernie Sanders is still the most popular member of the U.S. Senate.

    • DaddyRay

      Awesome

    • JCF

      Merit-based awards, that you only learn about if you visit (or speak to mother/grandmother!)

  • worstcultever

    What happened to the storm in the Gulf? It’s just not there anymore – ?

    https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-74.57,27.73,1103/loc=-80.007,27.121

    • safari

      Katia made landfall at or below a category 1 hurricane and quickly became a tropical storm.

      • worstcultever

        thx for the replies and GOOD, I’LL TAKE IT!

    • Talisman

      Katia hit Mexico as a Cat 1 last night. I imagine it’s mostly dissipated by now.

      ETA: And by Mexico, I mean the dumpster’s folly. He’s itching to invade and annex.

  • safari
  • denbear00
  • Lazycrockett
  • Johnny Wyeknot

    OT: Just got home from a brilliant Aida at the Washington National Opera. If you are in the vicinity, it’s a must!

    • Talisman

      With our without ear plugs?

      /s

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Actually, the visuals alone are terrific. Sorry you don’t seem to like real singing, unamplified. But to each his own.

        • m_lp_ql_m

          I prefer real autotune. /s

        • Talisman

          Opera annoys me. It overwhelms my hearing.

          I guess I should turn in my gay card.

  • DaddyRay

    MSNBC not too long ago the reporter in Fort Myers was talking about speeking with several people who lived in trailer homes who were not evacuating and were going to ride the storm out. One woman said she had an inflatable mattress that she would use to float on if things got bad.

    I would use the term Darwin Award if it wasn’t so sad and frightening

    • Cuberly

      Why is it when I’m watching and reading about people refusing to evacuate I have a feeling they have a closet full of Jim Bakker slop buckets?

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    What is that thing that’s moving on the right in the Keys Streaming Cam? Is that water waves in the street?

    • Lazycrockett

      Yes, I don’t know if its surge or just rainfall at the moment.

      • johncAtl

        It’s too soon for the surge.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Won’t the surge be way in front of the eye?

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            Yes

          • johncAtl

            That’s a good question. I think the back side of the eye is where the surge comes from because that side is still all over the water. But I’m not sure. Either way it doesn’t happen this many hours out.

            Edit: I seem to recall from Katrina that the concern was once the rotation was pushing water in from the gulf. The leading edge would be pulling the water so it’s not as strong.

            Edit 2: From NOAA. The strongest winds are on the right side of the storm so back half of the storm is more of a threat.

            http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/D6.html

          • UrsusArctos

            In SWFL, yes the surge issues are on the south, after the eye passes. It’s the east side of the eye along the northern Gulf coast and the north side of the eye on the TX coast. It’s the wind action piling water up AND the low pressure actually creating a mound of water. http://geology.com/articles/storm-surge.shtml

          • Friday

            Wherever it kind of piles up, basically. It usually doesn’t happen all at once.

          • UrsusArctos

            Surge happens FAST. The waters rise as a storm approaches then rises much higher fast with the eye making landfall. This surge video from Katrina gives you the idea. The surge starts at around 13:00.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1-jo8IC45c

          • Friday

            Builds for a while, though, speed depends a lot on how shallow the coastal plain is and if anything funnels it.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Can you grab a screen shot and post?

  • Lazycrockett

    Same sex marriage shout out on MSNBC.

    • SoCalGal20

      Haha yes!

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      As not the cause of the storm?

  • bambinoitaliano
  • safari
  • Lazycrockett
    • SoCalGal20

      Duval St. cam is down. It won’t go past 10:54:12

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        I can’t get any of them to play on my phone. But I can imagine: rain sideways with a lot of noise and a palm tree hanging on for dear life!

        • Lazycrockett

          From what I can find all Key West cams are gone.

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            Ah.

      • Lazycrockett

        Sloppy Joes died at 8:30 ish.

  • Lazycrockett

    MSNBC upgraded to a ginger weather man.

    • DaddyRay

      lol

  • fuzzybits
    • DaddyRay

      I found the interview that JMG reader Mark said he had with KOAT. He was posting earlier and got out on a charter flight with 2 minutes warning heading to JFK and then back home to New Mexico

      New Mexico man in direct path of Hurricane Irma
      http://www.koat.com/article/local-new-mexican-in-direct-path-of-hurricane-irma/12182331

      • johncAtl

        Very cool to know he’s out of there. His last few posts before the storm hit were scary.

      • SoCalGal20

        Thanks for that. Glad Mark is safe and sound and making his way (slowly) back to New Mexico.

    • Ross

      I keep hearing about Barbuda being, essentially, destroyed. Yet when I look at post-hurricane images, and the above video, I see of lot of intact structures/houses, and a lot of partially damaged structures.

      I am not trying to minimize the horror. I am just curious about the disconnect between what I keep seeing and what I keep hearing/reading.

      • DaddyRay

        All of the hospitals, fire stations and police station have been destroyed. Will not have running water or electricity for months. They said remaining structures are uninhabitable.

        • fuzzybits

          And they don’t have the money as of now to replace anything.

      • SoCalGal20

        I heard that even the standing buildings are mostly not salvageable.

        • Talisman

          Compassionate conservatism to the rescue….

          Oh, wait….

        • Ross

          Again, I am not trying to minimize the horror.

          It’s just that I have seen countless image over the decades of hurricane- or tornado-stricken areas where there is NOTHING left but concrete pads and debris. NO standing buildings as far as the eye can see.

          But I am not seeing that with Barbuda, which is said to be totally destroyed.

          • johncAtl

            I should know, but don’t remember. Where do you live? I ask because salt water is one of the most destructive things on earth. So even though the structures may be intact any metal that the water touched will corrode very quickly. And water in general will make buildings uninhabitable. The walls, floors, etc. will develop massive mold – especially with the temperatures in the Caribbean – which is very dangerous to human health.

          • Ross

            Did a storm surge cover the entire island?

          • johncAtl

            No, but it didn’t need to. The island was hit with 185mph winds which would have blown out any glass and put water inside the buildings. And that water was being sucked out of the ocean. The fact that a structure appears to be standing doesn’t mean that it’s inhabitable.

          • Ross

            In the video, a man is being interviewed. Right behind him is a fully intact building, and with not even a broken window.

      • bkmn

        I am starting to see vids from St. Thomas as cell service is being restored and they got hit hard too. Probably not as bad as Barbuda but still very bad.

        I hope the GOP remembers that Puerto Rico and the USVI are part of the US when they allocate relief money

        • Talisman

          ha ha ha ha.

          I talked to my ultra-conservative parents this events. My father literally said that there are some places humans shouldn’t live. The “fuck ’em” was strongly implied.

      • Ann Kah

        They have no power and no water. No infrastructure. Which means that you can fix a house and live there, but it’s back to the Stone Age for you.

        • Ross

          I understand that the island has been devastated. I understand that every resident on the island has been devastated.

          What I do not understand is the disconnect between reports stating that the island has been totally destroyed, and the images (and the above video) which show otherwise.

          I survived a hurricane once. And I cannot express enough the joy I experienced upon returning to my house and, even though heavily damaged, realized that it was still there.

  • Talisman

    This thread seems to be overwhelming Disqus.

    • Carl

      It’s true. People love talking about the weather.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        It’s the polite thing to talk about …

        • Adam King

          “Let us compromise,
          Our hearts are not of leather–
          Let us shut our eyes
          And talk about the weather.”

          • Lumpy Gaga

            “I’m so soaked to the skin.
            You want to talk about the weather.”

  • TimCA

    I was in contact with an elderly friend early this afternoon who lives on Siesta Key (Sarasota area). She lives right on the water on the east side of the island in an older home, I’m guessing built in the late 40s or 50s. The highest elevation on her property is about 7 feet above sea level. Thank goodness she has safely evacuated inland to much higher ground and is passing the storm with friends and relatives in a newer home built to modern construction standards.

    Keeping my fingers crossed for everyone in Irma’s path and those now trying to dig out from the destruction and flooding left by Harvey.

    • SoCalGal20

      Good to hear that your friend evacuated!

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      That’s a truly beautiful area. I hope her damage is minimal and her spirits stay high.

      • ultragreen

        It WAS a beautiful area, but it has been overdeveloped for a long time.

  • Canadian Observer

    Sigh, I was hoping they had a webcam live showing Mar a Largo, I so want to see it blown away.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Mar-a-Largo: As built by the cereal heiress Merriweather Post in 1927, the sprawling structure has walls 3 feet thick and is secured to the coral underneath with steel and concrete. The hurricane that hit the area the following year washed out the coast road and destroyed more than 1,700 houses and breached Lake Okeechobee, drowning more than 2,000 people, but did nothing more to Mar-a-Lago than damage a window and topple a few trees.

      • Canadian Observer

        Johnny, let me guess, you are the guy in the shopping mall at Christmas telling the kids there is no Santa. Your fact filled post went and ruined a perfectly good fantasy of mine. Guess I will have to grab the lotion and go back to my usual fantasies. CURSE YOU JOHNNY, CURSE YOU.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Fake Santas!

      • boobert

        Yes the original part is built very well, but you forget that trump added on several times and I doubt seriously he did the same.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    I know everyone is anxiously following the hurricane, so I won’t mention the three gorgeous banana cakes that just popped out of this little Dino’s oven. I won’t do that, nor talk about the butter pecan ice cream waiting in the freezer.

    • Canadian Observer

      You do know that the real cause of the extinction of the dinosaurs was NOT an asteroid strike, it was clogged arteries?

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        I always thought it was Christians.

        • Canadian Observer

          No, they were the cause of the extinction of lions in Europe… again, clogged arteries.

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            Lol !

      • fuzzybits

        You get Lipitor,and you get Lipitor!

        • Cuberly

          Lipitaur or Lipitor?

          We are talking a dino here.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            The Lipitaurous was a ferocious beast.

          • Cuberly

            Lipataurasurus……..Rex?

            Heh….

          • Leo Tallant

            Raptor ?????

    • Nychta

      Glad you didn’t mention that. Sounds irresistable.

    • Talisman

      butter pecan ice cream…..drool.

    • fuzzybits

      No please,been eating too much since Jan. as it is!

      • Ann Kah

        Well, it’s too late to keep resolutions now. Better wait until next Jan.

    • Adam King

      Banana cakes are imaginary, and butter pecan ice cream does not exist. Totally debunked.

      • Lazycrockett

        FAKE NEWS!!!

        • Adam King

          Alternative treats.

          • NZArtist

            Had an awesome weekend here. Toured four local vineyards, sampling their wines (although after the first vineyard you really have no clue what you’re drinking anymore…) and restocked the wine cellar. Friends came by for binging the latest Bojack series. Lots of tasty food and desserts. We’ve had hail and thunderstorms outside, so the fire is going. Is there anything better than spending time with friends eating and drinking great things, with quality entertainment, while a storm rages outside and you have the flickering light of a warm fireplace making you feel all cosy?

        • UrsusArctos

          FAKE DESSERTS!11!!

    • Cuberly

      Ooooooooo that sounds awesome.

      Must be the weather or something but I made chocolate & fresh strawberry parfaits today. And I never make desserts.

    • SoCalGal20

      Thank you for the mention of delicious banana cakes and butter pecan ice cream.

    • UrsusArctos

      You’re just NOW starting stress eating? Hell, come November it will be a solid year of stress eating for me.

    • Snarkaholic

      TAG YOUR PORN!

  • Lazycrockett

    Two Friends Key West Cam

    RIP.

    • SoCalGal20

      Awwww…

  • safari
    • DaddyRay

      Good Night – was thinking the same thing, tomorrow will be a long emotional day

    • houstonray

      G’night! Love the pic!!!

      It’s going to be a nerve-wracking day tomorrow. Sigh.

    • Canadian Observer

      Nothing more relaxing than a photo of a feline in is liquid state.

      • DaddyRay

        In a luxury shoe box bed

      • houstonray

        “liquid state”. LOVE IT!

    • Ninja0980

      Night!

    • JCF

      I swear, I thought that was a still photo—freaked a sec when it suddenly moved! (i.e., breathed)

  • Lazycrockett
  • safari

    O/T: (No, I’m really trying to go to bed. But I’m listening to the police scanner for noise [don’t judge]. Apparently there are reports of a clown chasing people in the dark.)

    • SoCalGal20

      Maybe you should go with smooth jazz or the sound of rain or something.

      • safari

        I need live voices tonight.

        • Nychta

          One thing that lulls me into slumber land is an audiobook. For the past two months I’ve been trying to make my way through Moon Over Soho, but I fall asleep before long and have to backtrack. Narrator Kobna Holdbrook-Smith is amazing.
          https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4945241.Kobna_Holdbrook_Smith

          • whollyfool

            Yes, I have Lord of the Rings on loop basically. (Not Lord of the Flies.)

    • fuzzybits

      Didn’t know that was still happening.

      • SoCalGal20

        The movie “It” based on the Stephen King novel opened this weekend. The creepy clowns are back.

    • DaddyRay

      Is this normal in your parts of Michigan

      • safari

        October 7, 2016

        EAST LANSING – A 12-year-old girl brought two knives and a clown mask to East Lansing’s MacDonald Middle School on Friday, though officials do not believe she threatened anyone.

        The girl donned the mask and began chasing other students Friday morning, said Lt. Scott Wriggelsworth, a spokesman for the East Lansing Police Department.

        School officials called police when they found two kitchen knives, about 8 and 9 inches long, in the girl’s backpack, he said.

        http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2016/10/07/girl-brings-clown-mask-knives-east-lansing-school/91731008/

        • Rebecca Gardner

          This is what happens when brothers and sisters have children.

    • KnownDonorDad

      People are getting way too into the reboot of It.

    • bkmn

      Is there some reason Kid Rock is up so late?

    • johncAtl

      Michigan. It’s just some crazed Insane Clown Posse fan.

      • JCF

        …combined w/ AHS: Cult and It.

    • CharlestonDave

      Why would the Secret Service let Trump do that?

  • Lazycrockett

    This granola guy on MSNBC just needs to put down the pipe.

    • DaddyRay

      Had to switch over to CNN – I heard that earlier, i think they are on repeat

      • Lazycrockett

        No MSNBC is still live.

      • johncAtl

        I moved from my condo to an apartment in June, and I contacted Comcast to move my service. After an hour of an online chat I told the representative that she was of a perfect example of the reason that everyone hates Comcast. And I then told her to just cancel my fucking service period and that I will do quite fine without Comcast.

        Edit: I forgot to say that MSNBC often drops coverage sooner than CNN because they’re cheap bastards.

        • Talisman

          I’ve been seriously thinking about dropping Comcast. I’m paying $211 for a service I barely use.

          I mostly stream content now, anyway. Sling is looking more and more viable.

          • fuzzybits

            I was telling the hubby that today. It’s insane what we pay every month.

          • Lazycrockett

            Last time i visited the parents I gutted their DirecTV bill. Im saving them bout 100 dollars month and they aren’t missing anything the normally watch.

          • Ninja0980

            Hubby and I took an ax to many of the channels on Verizon and other features.
            Saved a lot of $$$ that way.

          • DaddyRay

            Considering cutting the cord myself – also paying $210 a month and pretty much watch MSNBC, BBC, Syfy, PBS and local WGN for weather

          • Adam King

            I dropped cable and never regretted it for a second. Got a Roku.

        • Bryan

          Fantastic! Semitotally O/T but it’s been weighing on me all day – We did that like…5 months ago. Unfortunately the first part now too, landlady’s kickin’ us out of our duplex in 60 (err….59-58) days so we get to track down an apartment. This place is a shithole but it’s been our shithole on one side or the other since mid-2002. Six months earlier and I’d have had my 13th birthday milestone there too….turned 16, 18, 21, 25 there, one more year and I could have turned 30. I came out here. Lost pets and grandma here, graduated middle school, did all of high school and college thru a BS and half a Masters. Befriended raccoons, skunks and a small family of opossum.

          Bleh, pardon the rant JMGfolk.

          • johncAtl

            Rant on. That’s why we’re all here.

    • Bryan

      I’m feeling peckish, this is a man made of granola? I’ll nibble on his expendable bits. And maybe take the pipe from him after for myself too.

      (I haven’t been totally paying attention even tho it’s on MSNBC tbh so I’m being purely puerile for the sake of it). tl;dr – Hehehe, I’m such a bitch

      • Lazycrockett

        He was all and this is seriously. “I was born during a hurricane, and like I don’t need electricity, while hamming it up on MSNBC no less, and I can go fishing if need be, just gonna ride it out cause you know tomorrow is another storm.” Eye Roll.

        • UrsusArctos

          I’m glad I wasn’t the only one with that reaction. Yeah, there were over a hundred dead in Hancock County that tried talking that shit during Katrina and didn’t realize until too late that hurricanes are the ultimate honey badgers and have no shits to give.

        • Bryan

          Oh wait, the one with the dozens of animals?

  • Ninja0980

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BX_F0C9lQAy/?hl=en&taken-by=samchampion
    O/T but here’s a photo of Sam Champion, Gio Benitez and their hubbies.
    I’ll take all of them please.

    • Ken M

      Who was lucky enough to take that pic? Love the grey saggers. : )

    • Lazycrockett

      Too many tubs of whey protein in their kitchens.

      • fuzzybits

        And wax.

        • Ross

          Wax. Sigh.

    • bkmn

      why are they allowed to wear clothes?

      • Ninja0980

        I’ve wondered that myself.

    • DaddyRay

      Any sex tapes available on the web πŸ™‚

    • Cuberly

      He’s a little much for me.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Everybody’s a little too much for me these days . Let it ride?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Well. Meteorologist qualifications have changed since I was a child.

  • thom

    I need to sleep tonight because i wont get any tomorrow night… but way too anxious

    • Talisman

      Night.

      I’m out now, too….

      Hopes for safety to all our brothers & sisters in the path of Irma.

      And for the rest of America as it becomes more and more the dumpster’s domain.

    • bkmn

      Hoping for a good outcome. Not thoughts and prayers. Be safe

    • Ninja0980

      Keeping you and everyone else in my thoughts.

      • thom

        Thank you

    • SoCalGal20

      Take care.

  • ultragreen

    It looks like Hurricane Irma is moving northward toward Florida now.

  • DaddyRay

    Good thing we have all of those pictures of Trump being all chummy with Saudi Princes

    Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11, report says
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-dry-run-for-911-report-says.amp.html

    • DaddyRay

      Not to mention starting an endless war in Afghanistan and Iraq

      • TampaDink

        THANKS Obama! /sarcasm.

  • Ninja0980

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhvfM3CNxeY
    When all I see all the idiots on MSNBC/CNN etc. who refuse to leave, I’m always reminded of this guy who refused to leave when it was obvious Mount St. Helens was going to blow.
    Never found his body but considering his cabin was buried under tons of volcanic ash, safe to assume he didn’t make it.

    • TampaDink

      I remember this from when Mt. St. Helens blew her top. Glad that we had the healthy respect for what natural disasters can do…and left our home in Tampa.

    • KarenAtFOH

      Thousands have evacuated in Naples and Fort Myers. The local shelters filled up and closed, forcing emergency managers to find and open additional schools for people. They even opened Germain Arena, and now it is at capacity with 5000 people in it.

    • JCF

      I have a soft spot for ol’ Harry. If you’re so rooted to a place such that you can’t imagine life anywhere else…AND you’re in a “Fuck, I’ve had a Good Life” mode…seriously, I think he chose that as a spot to be BURIED. And he was.

      …that said, I can’t really imagine a beach house in Florida (even that Hemingway place!) in the same light as a cabin at the foot of Mt St Helens. Come on, bubbe, you can come back later, and rebuild…

  • SoCalGal20
    • johncAtl

      How do you die from complications of AIDS in 2017? I know people who have been positive for 20+ years and with their medications they live a normal life.

      Edit: especially at only 41 years old.

      • TampaDink

        One of my best buddies tested positive as soon as the “Elisa” test became available…I think that was in 1985. He’s now 73, has the stamina that I haven’t had since my 20’s….and an Adonis-like physique. But….no two trees in a windstorm are affected identically.

      • Treant

        A given drug doesn’t work for everybody, and if you get unlucky enough to be allergic to a whole spectrum of medications…that can be a major issue.

        I’m horribly allergic to the entire cephalosporin group of antibiotics. We’re talking anaphylaxis. That’s not devastating as there are other options, but…it’s good I don’t have cystic fibrosis or receive dialysis.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      How do we convince 41-yos that AIDS is something only old faggots do?

  • thom

    “Hurricane Irma’s projected path continues to shift west, on a track to hit St. Petersburg _ not Miami or Tampa.” https://t.co/r5mKTSMNvG

    This was just tweeted by the Associated Press.

    This is irresponsible, dangerous and needs to be redacted immediately

    • Lazycrockett

      Someone said it was like expecting to get hit in the middle of the forehead but now you are just getting hit a little more to the left.

      • TampaDink

        ^^^^THIS!

    • TampaDink

      Not to mention utterly ridiculous! Tampa is about 10 miles across the bay from St. Petersburg…..how the fuck is the storm going to hit St. Pete & spare Tampa? We are so grateful to have evacuated from Tampa to my brother’s home in Tallahassee.

      • thom

        We are huddled up in Safety Harbor.

        More scared than I have been in a long time

        • TampaDink

          Stay safe! Our house isn’t in a flood zone….and fortunately in the level 5 evacuation zone. BUT…we have a large live oak that sits about 8 feet off of our living/dining room…..and a much, much larger grand oak at the back of the back yard. We’re trying to mentally prepare for the worst possible outcome.

          • thom

            Pretty much our situation. In ecacuation zone E. Only A and B are calling for evacuation. But the wind/ trees are a huge concern

          • TampaDink

            We’ve been following the Tampa Bay regional news….but are so glad & grateful that we got the fuck out of there on Wednesday. Technically, I evacuated in early August…and have been up here, house/dog/pool sitting for my brother & sister-in-law. My long suffering spousal unit & our dog stayed behind…until a few days ago. Late this evening, our host family returned home (about a week ahead of schedule) to be with us & their pup…in their own home when Irma shows up. We have a friend who lives a couple of blocks farther from the river who has assured use that as soon as it is safe, he’ll check out our house & let us know what…if anything, we will come back to. Even if our house is unscathed, we have no intentions of hurrying home…in reverse evacuation traffic…to live in a house that was spared but lacks electricity.

          • UrsusArctos

            The oak thing is kind of random. With Katrina most of the ones on the beach made it. They were stripped naked. In the earliest days of the recovery people here went ape shit when a crew from WI started cutting them down, thinking they were doing good, not knowing they evolved to strip the leaves to stay upright in storms and would be OK. Good luck.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Have a baby rhino.

          http://i.imgur.com/k879i1T.gif

      • Ninja0980

        Glad to hear you guys are safe.

        • TampaDink

          As are we!

          • johncAtl

            Just make sure Rose Kennedy doesn’t fall on the carpet.

          • TampaDink

            She won’t! As you know….in my family, spilling a cocktail is the most serious sign of alcohol abuse.

          • Leo Tallant

            Spilling a cocktail??? Don’t let Anastasia Beaverhausen hear you saying something like that! πŸ˜‰

          • TampaDink

            I would NEVER. She’d bitch slap me into the middle of next week. On the other hand…that might be a better deal than waiting to learn what sort of mess, if anything, we have to return to in Tampa.

      • Tulle Christensen

        Even Tallahassee will get tropical storm force winds, perhaps even cat 1 force winds, you should expect 70s mph winds there,

        • TampaDink

          Oh yes….the wind gusts began shortly after noon today (okay, yesterday, Sat. 9/9).

          • Tulle Christensen

            no that was the noreaster winds, it confused me earlier today too the first winds from Irma are arriving about now

      • Tulle Christensen

        gonna try to sleep a bit I have a busy morning to try a heard the feral cats into the garage so they have a safer place to weather the storm here in Jax good luck TampaDink and everyone else a stay as safe as you can

        • TampaDink

          Best of luck to you too!

      • Thom misquoted the AP article…it says THE EYE will hit St Pete instead of Tampa

        • UrsusArctos

          Which is WORSE for Tampa in many ways. UGH

    • KarenAtFOH

      No, that is exactly where the 11pm NHC update places the track. The track has been shifting slightly west with every update.

      • johncAtl

        You’re misreading the comment from the AP. It’s stupid to say it will hit St. Pete but not Tampa.

        Edit: Or maybe you’re just not familiar with where cities are in Florida.

        • TampaDink

          Bingo!

          • johncAtl

            I’m glad you’re in Tallahassee. I hope Mark and Ken are going to be okay in St. Pete.

          • TampaDink

            Me too….as well as all of the rest of the (good) people in the region. As you know, I’m practically a native Floridian….and have experienced plenty of tropical storm threats. This time seems like “this shit just got real”.

          • djcoastermark

            I am a bit uneasy to say the least, but this is Ken’s first time with anything tropical storm related. And oh boy is it a doozy. I have had to work to keep him calm but also not to downplay the gravity of the situation. Once we got into our prep routine today he started feeling better.

          • TampaDink

            Now that my brother & sis-in-law have returned to their home (where I’ve been house/dog/pool sitting for a month) I’ve begun non-stop eating. As for my booze intake…it has tapered off since my “rescue” mission/Wednesday’s down & back round trip to evacuate my long suffering spousal unit & our aging pup….but I stocked up on every form of potent potables (and have a hunch that my bro probably brought some special treats from WA, OR, or CO.) so….I may be more “out of it” than usual for several days.

          • djcoastermark

            Souvenir gifts can sometimes be the best !

          • TampaDink

            Abso-fucking-lutely!

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Make him bang things. (With like hammers and shit.)

          • djcoastermark

            I am sooo tempted to make a remark, but I’ll be polite. he he.

          • UrsusArctos

            The first three days are like the tailgate from hell. You have to eat all the perishables you can. I’m sure your years at the Grove prepared you well. Stay safe.

          • djcoastermark

            just logging on here. Spent the day doing our final preps. Neighbors are all looking out for each other. Got enough food and water for at least a week maybe 2. ( Hubs was in a panic mode and waaay over bought. What the hell am I going to do with 15 cans of canned chili? I put my foot down and said NO! when he started eyeing a case of spam. ) We are lucky enough to have a shelter a block and a half away. Bags are packed for a quick exit if need be. If it looks like it is going to get too bad we will head on over, as well as the other neighbors.

          • TampaDink

            You guys may have overstocked on non-perishable food….whereas I may have overstocked on beer, wine & booze. We all have our priorities. ;-D

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Hey, everybody! Tampadink’s alive!!!

        • KarenAtFOH

          I grew up in St Pete and commuted to USF in Tampa.

          • johncAtl

            Ok, so you just didn’t read the comment well enough then

      • Tulle Christensen

        you do not understand it is not a tornado it is not a point, the winds extend out hundreds of miles

        • KarenAtFOH

          I am well aware of the wind field projections and the statistics of the error cone. I’m more worried about my roof staying intact over the next 24 hours.

    • Tulle Christensen

      with its current path the whole state is going to be hit, someone hit the AP over the head

    • djcoastermark

      I just wanted to add, that yes, it would be foolish for anyone to think a shift from Tampa to St Pete would keep Tampa in the clear. However, with this small shift, it increases the storm surge into the bay affecting St Pete, Tampa and also the cities of St Pete Beach and Clearwater Beach, the barrier islands. The farther west it shifts, the higher the surge to us all in the Tampa Bay region.

  • DaddyRay

    Tesla remotely extends range of vehicles for free in Florida to help owners escape Hurricane Irma
    https://electrek.co/2017/09/09/tesla-extends-range-vehicles-for-free-in-florida-escape-hurricane-irma/

    • johncAtl

      It’s kind of scary that auto manufacturers can update your car’s software remotely. In 2011 I bought a BMW 328, but before I agreed to buy it I told the rep there was a feature I didn’t like. He said I could bring the car back and they would reprogram it to disable that feature, and that it would take about six hours. Apparently the car was equipped with a 1200 baud modem.

      • DaddyRay

        While it was nice of them to do this – it is just odd to me that they put the equipment on the vehicle and can just remotely enable it. They obviously did this to get customers to pay the extra $5K to $9K but why not just add the extra range all the time. Additionally it would be nice if they notified their customers earlier as they may have made the decision not to evacuate based on the concerns of the limitation

        • Jon Doh

          The batteries do not last long if fully depleted regularly, so they limit the amount they will drain in exchange for battery life. There should be a way for the owner to fully use the capacity in an emergency situation.

          • Treant

            What he said. I use my 18650 batteries very gently, discharging down to 50% before recharging whenever possible. It increases battery life by a factor of 5.

            So while you pay Tesla to unlock that capacity addition, your batteries will wear down considerably faster as well.

      • DaddyRay

        It feels like the net nuetrality artificially reducing peoples speed on the internet unless they pay

  • ultragreen

    Um, it appears some Floridians are shooting at Hurricane Irma with guns in an effort to turn it away from Florida! The county sheriff is telling people not to do this.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/florida-sheriff-begs-people-not-to-shoot-at-irma-after-bored-guy-claims-storm-will-turn-around/

    • thom

      Pretty sure they are doing it because they think it’s funny/fun, not because they think it will work.
      But either way… stupid and dangerous

      • -M-

        Maybe they’ll get smacked with a board or something.

      • Bryan

        Because shooting small high-speed projectiles into high-speed winds, thus creating additional hazards has absolutely no possible way of backfiring that has literally happened in some way shape or form to one character in every single hurricane/twister based movie.

        Can’t think of a single movie where a character got killed by some small object being hurled at high speed by winds, nope. None.

    • djcoastermark

      The idiots finally figured thoughts and prayers weren’t working so they thought ( if they even have a real thought) at least a bullet is sumthin real, cause they really do work on lots of things.

      • Lazycrockett

        Drumpf voters. so really who cares. Let them all go out and shoot into the hurricane.

        • djcoastermark

          But don’t do it anywhere near my area please.

          • Lazycrockett

            You are hunkered down, you will be fine, now Jeb and his kids are gonna go out and play in eye wall and shot shit. Let them be, it will work itself out.

    • RJ Bone

      “Authorities are asking Los Angelinos not to fire their guns at the alien spacecraft. You may inadvertantly trigger an interstellar war.”

  • Ninja0980

    Someone I knew from college just posted a Facebook message about how the winds are picking up in Orlando but that they should be good to go to the park Tuesday.
    I will never get why you would chose to go to a place you know there will be a storm coming to but you can’t fix stupid.

    • johncAtl

      Orlando is far enough inland that it will get rain and wind. But they get thunderstorms pretty much all year long that are as intense as the effects of Irma will be.

      • Tulle Christensen

        Thunderstorms do not usually last a day or two, so flooding is a possibility for low lying areas that do not drain well

        • johncAtl

          All of Florida is low lying. And yes, they do get rain in Florida that will last a day or so. I grew up there. I kind of remember what it’s like.

          • Southern Florida is low lying and the coasts of course but here smack dab in the middle it’s quite hilly

          • UrsusArctos

            The better to catch high winds because y’all are the first obstacle they hit. Stay safe.

      • TampaDink

        In 2004, when we had 3 storms cross the state, almost back to back….even though we braced for it in Tampa….Orlando suffered more damage. Living in a state where the vast majority of people live on a peninsula that is at its widest point about 140 miles…and is mostly flat, I’m somewhat surprised that we haven’t had more devastation & destruction like Andrew’s wrath in 1992.

        • johncAtl

          Yeah. One of my co-workers lives in Punta Gorda. Charley destroyed about one third of his house.

          • TampaDink

            One of my sister’s in-laws lived there at that time….although, as snowbirds, they were about a thousand miles away. The damage to their home wasn’t significant..but some families on their street lost everything.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      He really should have married Camilla from the get-go or found a woman who’d be all “I don’t care if you bang her, just let me live in a palace with awesome jewelry.”

      • Lazycrockett

        Yep he did exactly what “Mummy” told him to and got totally screwed.

        • TuuxKabin

          Pity, that.

        • Ross

          Actually, the Queen was so-so on Diana.

          At the time, there was tremendous national pressure for Charles to marry, and produce an heir. And, significantly, it was almost demanded that he marry a virgin. Idiotic, yes, but such were the times.

          Contrast this when his son got married. Nobody cared that the future Queen was a virgin or not.

          How times change.

      • Treant

        They were a little too closely related, weren’t they? Nobody wants hemophiliacs being spewed out right and left, and both being related via Queen Victoria makes that a non-zero probability…

    • Moebym of the Returners

      Really, now…Charles has been groomed to be king since his mother’s accession to the throne all those decades ago. Do people really think that the Queen will skip over her son in favor of William?

      Monarchy isn’t a democracy, so the people don’t get to decide who gets to be the next king or queen. And that’s that.

      • Ross

        Charles IS being groomed to take over. He is increasingly taking over duties as his mother ages.

    • Adam King

      Those people live too long.

    • Ross

      I have always liked Charles.

      He has been into organic agriculture way before it was popular, and sustainable building.

      The gardens at his Highgrove estate are fabulous.

      He has also raised a tremendous, stunning amount for charities, and has helped thousands of people. One guy, who had been in prison, and was on the dole, received a grant from Charles. The guy used the funds to create a company, which he later sold for like $30 million. He eventually met Charles, and thanked him for “saving my life.”

      Yet, the British media (as with the US media regarding Hillary) are always trashing Charles.

      He certainly should be King.

  • SoCalGal20

    MI11 congressional seat might be opening up!

    https://twitter.com/IndivisibleMich/status/906516751852216320

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lazycrockett
      • AJayne

        Yeah, shame on Hillary and the Dems for putting more focus on the traditionally marginalized. Poor, poor, pitiful straight white men…

        • Treant

          “No identity politics” is Independent code for “I’m a bigot but you’d be mad if I said so.”

    • johncAtl

      I used to like Bernie when I would hear him on the radio with Thom Hartmann. I wasn’t happy when he decided to join the Democratic Party just so that he could run for president. And I have hated him since the night of the California primary when he didn’t concede and immediately put his support behind Hillary. He knew that no matter who the eventual GOP candidate would be that Hillary would be a better choice. And his action gave us the absolute worst possible outcome. So fuck Bernie, and fuck anyone who still supports him.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        The only thing Bernie cares about is Bernie.

  • Here is a link to the storm surge maps on Wunderground to the West Coast of Florida in case anyone wants to check. A storm surge is sudden — the entire ocean can rise 3-15 feet or more due to a shift in pressure and inundate land in a tidal wave effect. Any hurricane waves are on top of this. The massive casualties in storms in the past are primarily due to storm surges — which people are warned about now. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-reorganizes-en-route-devastating-florida-hit

    • TampaDink

      Thanks, Eddi! We’ve lived in Tampa since 1988….every year all of the local news reports on how we’ve been completely spared since 1921…I’d never read about the 1948 storm. We’re sheltering in place at my brother & sister-in-laws house in Tallahassee. Hoping for the best but mentally preparing for the worst case scenario.

      • We are spared in Delray Beach — but there were two tornadoes tonight, one in Fort Lauderdale and one in Lantana near here — with warnings. Tornadoes are another risk in Hurricanes — in feeder bands. Still, the winds are howling outside, and we are expected to get hurricane gusts (over 70 mph) in parts of the East Coast of Florida — we already have gusts over 40 mph. That is how big this storm is. Good luck—

        • TampaDink

          Good luck to you too…and all of Joe’s followers who live in harms way. Stay safe! I’ll be back online with my J.M.G. family as soon as I can.

      • djcoastermark

        Same here. Hoping for the best, expecting the worst now, and back to hoping our worst fears were not met.

        • TampaDink

          I was thinking that, perhaps your worst fears were realized when you guys met me last winter. ;-p

          • djcoastermark

            That was a hurricane of a night, but the fun kind. Except for the next day….

          • TampaDink

            I have no memory of the day after we met.

          • johncAtl

            Wasn’t the drag queen performing Mary Poppins? If she opens that umbrella tonight she’ll wake up in Daytona. Of course if she gets drunk enough on any night that could happen.

          • TampaDink

            Drag Mary Poppins was a hoot! But even she couldn’t compete with the fun that I had hanging with you guys that night.

  • Lazycrockett
  • BigGuy

    My brother, his wife, his mother-in-law, and his brother-in-law are on the 14th floor of a luxury condo in downtown Sarasota that’s less than 20 years old. His two daughters think they all should have flown out on Monday.

    • TampaDink

      I wish them all the best. The up side is that they’re sheltering in a building designed after the building codes were amped up after Andrew in ’92.

    • johncAtl

      A building that old is built to withstand the winds that Irma will have. But the windows in the building aren’t likely to survive. Hopefully they have them well taped up so that they will break but stay in place.

      • BigGuy

        I’m sure they have them taped.

    • Girlgoon

      I heard that the landlords of the high rises were shutting off the power and water in order to get people to leave

      • johncAtl

        I thought that was happening on the east coast. This storm has been a nightmare for evacuations since the original projections had it going up the west coast of Florida, and then it shifted to where it was going up the east coast. And now it’s back going up the west coast as a cat 4. There are a lot of people in the Tampa area tonight that fled the east coast only to put themselves right in the middle of the storm.

      • BigGuy

        The building is built atop the parking garage. On the top floor of the parking garage, about 60 feet above sea level, there are emergency generators for building elevators and lights and water, but NOT for tenant electricity.

        • LesbianTippingHabits

          In other words, not so much a “luxury condo.”
          I’ll be thinking of them – thanks for sharing.

  • Irma back up to a category 4.
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…130 MPH…210 KM/H
    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT1+shtml/100559.shtml?

    • djcoastermark

      Fvck, Fvck !

    • Lazycrockett

      She is gonna be a 5 when she hits.

      • johncAtl

        Doubtful. The eye is about midway between Cuba and Key West, so there’s not really enough time for it to gain that much strength unless it slows down. The Weather Channel is projecting cat 4 until it’s north of Tampa.

  • djcoastermark

    Well, gotta get some sleep. the next 2 days are going to be a long month.

    • zhera

      Best of luck to you and yours, sweet little goat!

    • TampaDink

      Ramen to that.

    • johncAtl

      Let us know you’re okay as soon as you can.

      • djcoastermark

        Will do. As it looks now, the eye may pass directly over us. We are heading to the shelter by noon.

  • Dave_in_PDX

    ByeFelicia! Reported!

  • Lumpy Gaga
  • DaddyRay

    Ugh it moved 14 miles west and now makes landfall around Clearwater / Tampa – this is very bad for Tampa and storm surge. Stay safe TamaZeke

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Oh no! That’s going to be very bad indeed. Also, apparently the internal pressure has fallen to 928mb which is going to make this storm devastating.

      • DaddyRay

        The longer it stays out over the warm Gulf the stronger it will get

      • DaddyRay

        From the coverage I have been seeing I can’t imagine anyone getting any sleep through this.

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        Auntie Em! Auntie Em!

    • djcoastermark

      Yeah. We saw that too. We are heading to the shelter down the street by noon. Hoping we have a house to come home to.

  • safari


    ...600 AM EDT POSITION UPDATE...
    ...EYE OF CATEGORY 4 IRMA VERY NEAR THE LOWER FLORIDA KEYS...

    Key West International Airport just measured sustained winds
    of 39 mph (62 km/h) with a gust to 66 mph (106 km/h). A private
    weather station at Alligator Reef Light, Florida, recently reported
    a sustained wind of 64 mph (103 km/h) with a gust to 82 mph
    (132 km/h).

    SUMMARY OF 600 AM EDT...1000 UTC...INFORMATION
    ----------------------------------------------
    LOCATION...24.2N 81.4W
    ABOUT 30 MI...50 KM SSE OF KEY WEST FLORIDA
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH...215 KM/H
    PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 8 MPH...13 KM/H
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...929 MB...27.43 INCHES

    • SoCalGal20

      Yikes!

  • safari
    • DaddyRay

      I guess God doesn’t love them enough to listen

    • Cackalaquiano

      They’ll always have a reason why their shit doesn’t work.
      Often we’re the culprit too!

    • Karl Dubhe

      That makes her a false prophet, doesn’t the bible have a recommendation for those kinds of prophets?

      Good thing we’re all in secular nations. πŸ™‚

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Almost afraid to check in this morn.

  • DaddyRay

    These weather reporters standing out in the middle of the street looking like they are about to get blown down the street and just waiting for a tree or sign to come whipping up the street are insane

    • safari

      Are we not entertained?

      • DaddyRay

        I find myself being more concerned – I don’t want to see them get killed

        • Rebecca Gardner

          I’ve been thinking the same thing, especially when I see the reporters in places like Tampa. I want to yell Run! at my TV screen.

          • DaddyRay

            There was one woman who looked like she couldn’t weigh more than 110 lbs and could get knocked over at any time. The weather was so bad you couldn’t hear what she was saying and I just sit here wondering what is the point of this

          • safari

            Let’s go fly a kite… up to the highest height

          • DaddyRay

            They could at least tie a rope to her so they could drag her body in and send out the next reporter

    • yes b’y
    • Snarkaholic

      Agreed…could wind speeds that high snap a person’s neck?

  • safari

    Key West International Airport just measured sustained winds of
    50 mph (80 km/h) with a gust to 70 mph (113 km/h). A private
    weather station in Key West, Florida, recently reported a sustained
    wind of 51 mph (82 km/h) with a gust to 70 mph ( 113 km/h).

    SUMMARY OF 700 AM EDT...1100 UTC...INFORMATION
    ----------------------------------------------
    LOCATION...24.4N 81.5W
    ABOUT 15 MI...25 KM SE OF KEY WEST FLORIDA
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH...215 KM/H
    PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 8 MPH...13 KM/H
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...929 MB...27.43 INCHES

  • safari
  • Gustav2

    No one on the Siesta Key Beach (Sarasota)

    https://www.earthcam.com/usa/florida/sarasota/?cam=siestabeach

  • safari
    • Rebecca Gardner

      WOW!

  • barrixines

    Brace yourselves, lovelies.

    Completely off topic but may raise a little smile on this worrying day. The mums are out for marriage equality in Australia this weekend.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BY2LjtUFNN9/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BY2DdxODBVz/

    • whollyfool

      Love it!

  • SoCalGal20
    • Rebecca Gardner

      OMG! The storm is only starting for FLA. I fear what the end result of this monster is going to be.

  • barrixines

    I am watching a Lauderdale beach cam. The accompanying blurb invites you to “relax with beach views from Lauderdale by the Sea.” Ay ay ay.

    https://www.earthcam.com/usa/florida/lauderdalebythesea/?cam=windjammer

  • SoCalGal20
  • Homo Erectus
  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Mark

      Her Majesty’s prison on Anguilla lost all it’s roof materials. They too were left. There was no where to go but at least they’re all alive.

      • SoCalGal20

        Hey Mark! How’s the progress on getting back to New Mexico?

        • Mark

          I made it to Toronto last night – at DIA at the moment – LAX next and then ABQ – then over an hour in the car to get to my own bottle of rum and bed – – thanks so much for asking!

          • SoCalGal20

            Wow!!!! What a journey!

          • Mark

            Yesterday was Guadalupe, Martinique, Barbados, Toronto….I’m wiped out and still not finished…..

          • SoCalGal20

            Under other circumstances it sounds like it would be a wonderful itinerary!

      • DaddyRay

        Hi Mark – have you gotten any sleep?

        • Mark

          My last full night of sleep was Monday. Tuesday night none as that was the storm – since then only about 4 hours a night – pretty much wiped…

  • another_steve

    This is an appropriate time for anyone interested in global warming and its effects on climate to watch or rewatch Al Gore’s prophetic 2006 “An Inconvenient Truth.” In it, Gore devotes time to discussing the effect of global warming on hurricane intensity.

    Here’s a free version. There may be “cleaner” free versions out there on the web, but this one is quite watchable:

    http://www.mojvideo.com/video-an-inconvenient-truth-2006-full-movie-vostfr-slo-podn/32f7a8034ed710edce13

    • Daveed_WOW

      Please rent it.

  • SoCalGal20

    Water level drop is starting in Naples and Ft. Myers ahead of storm surge later.

    https://twitter.com/rluettich/status/906838092300132352

    • another_steve

      Have been listening to reports concerning efforts to comfort and secure Florida’s large and vulnerable elderly population, particularly those in facilities that house people with dementia and Alzheimer’s.

      Imagine how frightening a weather event like this can be to those folks.

      • DoctorDJ

        Having lived through 10 years of Alzheimer’s with my mother, I can state that, as long as they’re kept in their familiar surroundings, the patients are oblivious to the weather.

  • Michael R
  • BeaverTales

    I hope the insurance companies have the needed capital reserves. The state will probably have to start assessing income taxes to rebuild otherwise, because their federal bailout will likely not be enough to rebuild everything as it was before.

    http://www.wkyc.com/weather/hurricane-irma-could-be-a-300-billion-catastrophe-if-it-hits-south-florida/471183366

    • another_steve

      Global warming and its impact on climate will have dramatic consequences for the insurance industry. Weather events like we’re witnessing today will become more common, resulting in more physical devastation and insurance claims.

      • Cackalaquiano

        And yet the wealthiest property owners in this country, with prime coastal locations, will fight tooth and nail to a) ensure development regulations don’t change to prevent them from rebuilding and b) ensure increased insurance costs for their foolish construction are shared across the full insurance pool, rather than primarily by coastal properties.

        • another_steve

          My nephew and his family live on Long Island in New York State, near the water. Their furniture was literally floating in their living room as a result of Superstorm Sandy in 2012.

          They rebuilt in the same spot. Insurance paid for it.

          I still can’t believe it.

          • Cackalaquiano

            And the localities pay to extend infrastructure out to serve them, repair it when it’s destroyed, over and over. Infuriating.

      • BeaverTales

        The most dramatic immediate consequence on my life of Harvey and Irma is that the GOP unwillingness to have suitable infrastructure and building codes for their climate risks in Texas and Louisiana and Florida will raise my premiums. I will be bailing out fools in climate denial abetted by my subsidizing a disaster risk pool that I’m not even allowed to join.

        Ironically, they won’t sell earthquake insurance for homes not built to current earthquake standards in Alaska (thanks asshole realtor for not disclosing this to me when I bought my first home) because of one giant earthquake 53 years ago., but states like florida will get flood insurance even though their risk of disaster per century is higher than mine.

        • another_steve

          I have a difficult time watching the press conferences being given by that Republican fuck of a global warming denier, Rick Scott.

          Any Floridian who suffers physically or financially from Irma should storm the fucker’s governor’s mansion and tar and feather him.

          • BeaverTales

            Yes, too bad they keep reelecting him. Elections have consequences, as we all know.

    • Gustav2

      State income tax in Florida? Not going to happen.

      • Tulle Christensen

        Would take a voted on state constitutional amendment as Gustav said not gonna happen

      • BeaverTales

        They said that in Alaska, and most of us are pretty sure it will happen in the next few years now that oil prices have tanked.

        It’s a matter of
        [1]Minimum public spending Outflow > Maximum tax Inflow = Need for more taxes. Florida already has relatively high sales and property tax, so there are few options left except to create an income tax.
        [2]After this is over, many businesses will need to rebuild or relocate out of Florida. Guess which one will be more popular to many employers now? Probably the same thing they did after Katrina and what they’ll do after Harvey.

  • SoCalGal20
    • another_steve

      In addition to being a technical thing, ASL interpretation is an art form. As demonstrated here.

      • marachne

        The reality is that a lot of the linguistic information is contained in facial expression. Inflection and emphasis is created by how a sign is produced. The sign “see” can mean look, stare, glance, or look at in a ruminating way depending on the how it is made.

        What looks impressive is – but grounded in linguistic conventions

      • perversatile

        Communication + artistry + mad skillz
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7SznunVK7k

    • TuuxKabin

      I’m surprised gov. scott would admit there is deafness in his state, the mofo.

      • Tomcat

        Just until they can reverse handicap laws in Merica.

      • OdieDenCO

        if he banned the hard of hearing, the state would depopulate

    • ByronK

      And damned cute to boot.

  • netxtown

    Just catching up this morning….and ugh…. As much as I am ‘glad’ to see her turn north….Key West is getting hammered. One death already….and this heifer is just getting started with us. Hope everyone who stayed is tucked away in safety.

    • Joe in PA

      I know you’ve said…where are you again? Stay safe as you can.

      • netxtown

        I’m clear over in north texas. And, according to the local news girl – we are blessed to be here in north texas….which I take to mean the folks in Harvey and irma aren’t blessed.

        All the family made it out of south florida to Pensacola. They’ve all got full tanks if they have to make a run for it. What a crazy ass storm!

        • Joe in PA

          Yikes, Pensacola…I have a step-daughter there. We never even considered that Irma might be a problem for them. They live in Gulf Breeze which is even worse. πŸ™

          • netxtown

            My sis just moved in to her brand new house a month ago. She’s just 15 months to retirement – and she’s 5 blocks from the gulf in Pensacola – and I’ve been watching and dreading that Irma would turn north and then wander west. I don’t mean the folks in central florida any ill….but please don’t let Irma wander to Pensacola!

    • Gustav2

      If you watch some of the Earth Cams, the rain is already flooding some of the barrier islands. If you look at the the Siesta Key cam, the beach is soaked, almost under water just from the rain. We have seen a good rain storm flood the streets.

      https://www.earthcam.com/usa/florida/sarasota/?cam=siestabeach

      • netxtown

        I’ve been trying to watch some of the cams – but Verizon keeps shoving me off to some 4th class network and throughput drops to bits per week. I suppose they somehow find the service adequate as long as the bit meter cranks in $$$. (Bear in mind, I’m on a USB air modem. No land lines out here in the sticks)

  • PickyPecker

    Stay strong and be smart & safe FL JMG’ers. Check in to let us know you are ok.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7bbWBXusk

    • netxtown

      In light of these troubling times, I must confess – I did a chicken wrong.

      I had 7 reds. Bobcats got 5, a visitors dog killed one. The last one had the run of the place for quite awhile. But, she kept leaving piles of chicken shit all over the decks. I bit my lip and hosed them off until….

      One night she decided to sleep on my tractor seat. And boy did she shit all over that seat. I lost it. Went beserk! I grabbed her ass, flung her in the floorboards of my truck…and drove south about 3 miles to a place that had a large bunch of chickens – and pulled over, wound down the window – I flung her shitty ass out the window.

      I’m done. Please find room in your sweet chicken heart to forgive me…..I mean, at least I didn’t cut her up, dip her in flour, slap her in some hot oil – and eat her! Live and let live!

      • Joe in PA

        Hrrnmmph…some farmer you are. Sheesh. Poor chicken. But I’m glad she’s gone. We had to re-home what was left of our chickens…raccoons, hawks, and weasels. πŸ™ We built a flipping fortress and they still got nabbed. πŸ™

        • netxtown

          I built the Maison La Chicken – complete with heat and auto-water – and still them bitches would NOT go in there but to sometimes lay an egg. Other times – well, it’s been like Easter….here an egg, there an egg….

          As for farming… I had hoped this simple life would draw in a nice simple man. Nope – they all just had to have a nearby Starbucks and their iphones! lol!

  • SoCalGal20

    Their beer is crap but it’s awesome that Anheuser-Busch does this for every U.S. hurricane.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/906855039934877697

    • ByronK

      Sex in a Canoe beer.

      • Joe in PA

        You canucks are weird. πŸ™‚

        • Reality.Bites

          It’s an old joke.

          Why is American beer like sex in a canoe?

          Because they’re both fucking close to water.

          • Joe in PA

            Thanks.

            And speaking of Canadian beer…ya know how you can tell someone’s had Moosehead?

            wait for it….

            antler marks in their stomach.

            Bah dum bump!

          • Reality.Bites

            Why do Canadians have sex doggie style?

            So neither has to miss the hockey game on TV.

          • Joe in PA

            You got a million of them don’t you? πŸ™‚

          • Reality.Bites

            There are actually relatively few Canadian jokes. A number of years ago a newspaper did a quest for the quintessential Canadian joke. I don’t remember if this won, or was just mentioned, but it’s stuck in my head ever since.

            Why did the Canadian chicken cross the road?
            To get to the middle.

          • Joe in PA

            So there’s a good reason for so few jokes. πŸ™‚

            Ahem.

          • Reality.Bites

            By definition the quintessential Canadian joke would be unappreciated by Americans. πŸ™‚

            You’re so vain, you probably think this joke is about you, don’t you, don’t you? πŸ˜‰

          • ByronK

            Years ago, Newfoundlanders, or Newfies used to be subject of many jokes.

            A couple of Newfies were driving to Toronto when they say a big sign that said TORONTO LEFT.
            So they went home.

          • Joe in PA

            LOL.

            See RealityBites…I appreciated THAT joke. πŸ™‚

          • ByronK

            How do you tell someone is Canadian?
            It’s 3 am, the streets are empty, and they’re standing on a corner waiting for the walk sign to change.

          • billbear1961
          • Hue-Man

            Q: How do you get 50 rowdy Canadians out of a swimming pool?
            A: Say “Please get out of the pool.”

          • ByronK

            I’m more versatile since I don’t watch hockey.

          • ByronK

            lol

          • perversatile

            Moosehead Beer commercial for Canadian Market:
            Rugged outdoorsy types sitting around a campfire-
            Guy one: “You know why I always buy Moosehead?
            Guy two: “Because I’d rather drink it than give it.”

          • Joe in PA

            I can’t do both? πŸ™‚

        • ByronK

          Yes, yes we are Joe. Sorry about that. πŸ™‚

          • Joe in PA

            Oh no no…stay as weird as you are! πŸ™‚

          • ByronK

            Ok. Sorry.

          • Joe in PA

            I see what you did there. πŸ™‚

      • Reality.Bites
    • Reality.Bites

      One could argue it’s merely diverting their usual shipments of water to all states to Florida. Let’s have no more of this “beer production” silliness.

    • edrex

      not much difference btwn. those cans and the one’s they call”beer.”

  • SoCalGal20

    Northbound US 1 out of the FL Keys is now impassable (no surprise).

    https://twitter.com/gadinbc/status/906860068372717568

    • netxtown

      I’m really hoping the highway/bridges don’t get destroyed. They are the lifeline to the Keys…..

      (FWIW – I’ve got a reserved little spot in my memories of the Keys. I lived in Hollywood, and the girl friend and I did our first ‘motel fuck’ on our first overnight trip anywhere. Oh, to be 18 again!!)

      • Tomcat

        Some of the die hard Keysters would probably think that as a positive thing. They want to be alone.

        • Tomcat

          Just send a barge of liquor and beer occasionally.

    • Dramphooey

      That’s very interesting but why would somebody go out in that?

  • SoCalGal20

    The power outages so far and most (if not all) of this is from the outer bands.

    https://twitter.com/escochrane/status/906823011860451328

    And it’s certainly worse now since this was from several hours ago.

    • Tulle Christensen

      I am pretty sure the power outage count for Monroe is only because they are not getting info from there. Monroe county is the Florida Keys

      • SoCalGal20

        Thanks. That makes sense.

  • Hank

    Waking up in FTL. So far so good. Wind gusts and rains are getting annoying!!! Srteets from my windows are empty, of course. Just made a pot of coffee, and will head into a shower. Cable and electricity flickers on and off, so stopped watching TV to save my electronics. On my laptop, which is charged and plugged into stay charged. Watching MSNBC Live on it to keep up with the conditions… while I can..

    • DaddyRay

      Good morning Hank – how could you possibly sleep

    • Joe in PA

      Thanks for checking in Hank. Stay safe as you can.

    • SoCalGal20

      Good to hear from you! Take care!

      • Hank

        Thanks Gal. No where to run, no where to hide, at this point… except to the hallway of my building, outside my door! I appreciate the good wishes from everyone!

    • TrollopeReader

      Call into Ali Velshi !! Stay safe!

  • Tomcat

    I am declaring today and tomorrow no politics days for me. I refuse to watch or hear politicians while this shit is going on.

    • DaddyRay

      Today is Natural Disaster Day, not Man Made Disaster

      • Tomcat

        And definitely not the day for photo ops.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Thanks to man’s impact on the client this actually is a man made disaster.

        • billbear1961

          And it’s only starting.

      • Hank

        I agree, but with Climate Change a LARGE part of this is Man Made!!

        • DaddyRay

          Certainly Man Exasperated

        • billbear1961
        • LesbianTippingHabits


          Yes, Hank, but what, exactly, can real people actually do – Now – to help address climate change?

          Yes, there are websites, there is lots of awareness being raised, there’s the Paris Agreement, but even if Hillary had won the election, that would have had no effect on Hurricane Irma ten months later.

          Or do you disagree?

          The climate change folks have to have something to say that real people can relate to. If there’s nothing real people can reasonably be expected do about a particular situation, no matter how horrible, well, then there’s no point in worrying about it – or trying to help address it. That’s reality.

          Climate change has gone up and down over the millennia and beyond. The dinosaurs are no longer with us due to climate change. ‘Same with the Ice Ages. What is now the Sahara Desert used to be a lake. And nobody is going to seriously argue that humans had anything to do with that, way back then.

          Or do you disagree?

          And even if the United Nations immediately took over America and started to rule by decree, would any of this really change? Not anytime soon.

          Or do you disagree?

          I think that these issues are why people, and thus politicians, are skeptical. Accepting that human activity starting with the Industrial Revolution has affected the climate, well, what, if anything, can real people do?

          Please help me to understand. Thank you.

          • Lizard

            Assuming you’re for real and not a troll, allow me to educate you.

            Yes, there are websites, there is lots of awareness being raised, there’s the Paris Agreement, but even if Hillary had won the election, that would have had no effect on Hurricane Irma ten months later.

            Or do you disagree?

            No, adopting policies to combat climate change would not have prevented Hurricane Irma. However, if CO2 in the atmosphere continues to rise, these storms will be more frequent and more powerful. This is about prevention. We can’t prevent storms right now, but we can prevent them in the future. Otherwise we’re going to have these “once in a lifetime” storms four times a year.

            Climate change has gone up and down over the millennia and beyond. The dinosaurs are no longer with us due to climate change. ‘Same with the Ice Ages. What is now the Sahara Desert used to be a lake. And nobody is going to seriously argue that humans had anything to do with that, way back then.

            Or do you disagree?

            It’s true that climate change has happened before. The difference is speed. In the past, the climate changed over millions and millions of years. For examples, the Cretaceous was a very warm period, and had elevated levels of CO2. But it took several million years to get there. We, humans, have raised the atmospheric CO2 level by dozens of ppm just in the past hundred and fifty years–which just so happens to correlate with the Industrial Revolution and usage of fossil fuels. This is not a coincidence. We are responsible.

            And even if the United Nations immediately took over America and started to rule by decree, would any of this really change? Not anytime soon.

            Or do you disagree?

            This is just flat-out childish. Rather than building a better future, it’s all “Me! Me! Me!” “I’m not going to bother because I won’t see the results” is not an excuse for ruining the planet for future generations. This is about the big picture, not you.

            All of these arguments are part-truths, flatly dishonest, or just flat-out lazy. We need to do better. We owe it to the future to do better. Selfishness is what got us into this mess. It isn’t going to get us out of it.

            I think that these issues are why people, and thus politicians, are skeptical.

            Um…too fucking bad? The science is settled. There is no longer anything to be “skeptical” about. Politicians aren’t “skeptical”–they’re being paid off by corporate interests by way of reelection funding to ignore these issues. If they object, they’ll lose their funding and their next primary to someone who will cooperate with those interests. Overturn those interests and we might actually get somewhere.

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            OK, thank you, I very much appreciate the education, but i’m not sure from that information that there is anything specific that real people can do.

            If the answer in the short term is Nothing, fine. And if the answer in the long term is to seek to address / reduce carbon emissions, great.

            But I think that the clear lack of an answer to the simple question of what can real people or governments can do in the short term is significantly contributing to all this skepticism.

            Many might conclude, well, nothing we do will have any effect, unless the entire world joins in [which won’t happen], so, why bother?

            Without an answer to that basic question, nothing will change.

            Thank you again.

          • Lizard

            What can the government do? Funny you should ask.

            1. Reenter the Paris Accords. They’re the best compromise for the best future. Donald Trump pulled out because Republicans have a vested financial interest in keeping oil companies happy. They’re throwing our future away for money.

            2. Overturn Citizens United. It would untie conservative politicians and allow them to advance policies to combat climate change. Because of Citizens United, their job remains to be an obstructionist, which we should be ashamed of.

            3. Fund research into sustainable energy like solar and wind.

            What can ordinary people do? We can support mass transit systems. We can drive fuel-efficient cars. We can demand less meat. You’d be shocked at how much those little things add up.

            There are clear answers to these questions.

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            Lizard, thank you very much. This is useful.

            However, if the true goal is actually to reduce carbon emissions, I think that changing American culture away from automobile-requiring suburban lifestyles will be essential; absent that, nothing is really going to change, ever.

            A relatively small number of people living in densely populated communities may be setting a good example, but significant numbers of people spread out in other areas of the country will cancel out any such savings.

            Climate change denial adds a significant complication to this challenge, but even for those who accept at face value that human activity since the Industrial Revolution has affected our planet’s climate, such as myself, are still wondering what can realistically be done about it.

            The denial is just a distraction from the core question.

            Thank you again for taking the time to provide useful info.

          • Lizard

            “Climate change denial adds a significant complication to this challenge, but even for those who accept at face value that human activity since the Industrial Revolution has affected our planet’s climate, such as myself, are still wondering what can realistically be done about it.”

            First of all, you don’t have to accept anything at face value. The science is available. There have been multiple journalistic compilations of such findings, which are publicly available from reliable sources. Here’s an FAQ from Bloomberg.
            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-08/how-science-links-climate-change-to-irma-s-wallop-quicktake-q-a

            I’ve also listed multiple ways you can help on a small scale as well as how the government can help on an enormous scale. Yes, moving away from suburban living would help, but this isn’t about eliminating carbon emissions. It’s about making them controllable. Even if some people stayed in suburbia, that could be mitigated by developing affordable cars that are electric or even solar-powered.

            I honestly don’t know what information you’re looking for that I haven’t given.

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            Thank you for the additional info. I will consider it carefully. Best,

          • BudClark

            It may be naive, but it starts with *me*.

            I stopped driving a number of years ago, partially by choice, and partially because of my health. That’s one less “Li’l Red Surfer Truck” off the Pacific Coast Highway .

            IF there was a reliable farmers’ market in the California desert, I would use it.

            Air-conditioning is not a choice in the desert. “Swamp” evaporative coolers are cheap to run, and if they’re big enough, they’ll keep things tolerable up to about 100 degrees F. *if* the humidity is low, which it usually is. But 100 degrees F. is a “cool summer day” in the desert.

            I took Belle out at 5:30 this morning … it was 85 degrees F, and I wished I’d put on a JACKET (chuckle).

            The recent heavy rains and high humidity were VERY unusual for this time of year. Usually we get that around Christmas.

            A lot of the fault rests with the building trades and building codes. Research “hempcrete” or straw bales covered with stucco; or look at radical designs that use natural air currents by building partially underground, and facing north.

            The Spanish custom of having a central atrium with a pool or fountain also had a practical use.

            There was a good article recently about cities painting their black asphalt streets WHITE, and the HUGE temperature drop that resulted.

            I’m SCANDALIZED at how FEW houses in the desert have solar roof panels. They should be MANDATORY.

            There was a graphic of how a relatively small “solar farm” in a remote part of the western desert could power our entire country, TODAY, if we could break the stranglehold of Big Oil.

            I grew up in rural central Florida without a/c, but houses were built to be cool … wrap-around screen porches, which doubled as “sleeping porches” in the summer, “dog-trot” halls down the middle of the first floor from front to back … houses were built on stilts, allowing air to circulate, high ceilings, big windows, powerful “attic” fans, lots of big trees (which, of course, were a problem during Hurricane Season).

            Rents here are cheap because only a few people (mostly retired, like me) live here year-round. Virtually all the houses around us are snowbirds’ winter vacation homes.

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        Donald Trump is a man made disaster, but even the most skeptical won’t be urging that the hurricane be named after him, right?

      • edrex

        well… they DO overlap a bit, don’t they?

  • To those who keep wondering about reporters out in the storm
    Weather channel just showed exactly where Mike Seidel is standing…just outside a parking garage that has power, is protected from the wind, and is not flooded

  • djcoastermark

    Well, getting ready to sign off for a bit. Making a quick lunch and then heading down the street to the shelter. Just hoping that this b***ch named Irma will leave us with a house to come back to tomorrow night. They just announced that as of 5pm today there will be no fire ,ambulance, emergency, or police help available in the county. The Eye is supposed to go right over us.

    • Daniel Fishback

      Be safe.

    • netxtown

      We will leave a light on for ya! Stay safe!

    • Gustav2

      Hang in there.

    • DaddyRay

      Which shelter dj? Please stay safe

      • djcoastermark

        New Heights elem school. Built to withstand a cat 5 a few years ago.

        • DaddyRay

          Nice – get there and make sure they have room

        • Gustav2

          In St Pete, west of I-275?

          • djcoastermark

            Yep

          • Tulle Christensen

            St Pete is on the peninsula that has the sunshine skyway. west of Tampa

          • Gustav2

            Drive it back and forth twice a year from TPA , nuch cheaper that flying into SRQ

          • djcoastermark

            Which is already closed as well as the only other bridges out are getting ready to close. The Howard Franklin, The Gandy and the Courtney Cambell.

    • This Irma is not so Douce is she

      • djcoastermark

        oh she is cleaning things out good.

    • SoCalGal20

      Take care! Hoping for the best!

      • djcoastermark

        Okay here ! Phew, rough night but AOK !

        • SoCalGal20

          Great news!

    • billbear1961

      Take shelter, sweetie!!!

  • Daniel Fishback

    We’ve just started to see rain about a half hour ago here in Gulfport St. Pete. A bit breezy but not bad yet. Got up this morning to see new track is right over us. This is scary especially worried about the big oak trees around the house.

    • djcoastermark

      St Pete here too. Get to a shelter if you can. This is going to get bad quick. We are sheltering in a half hour. Stay safe and maybe we can all meet up for an after hurricane party !

    • DaddyRay

      Be careful with the expected storm surge – it sounds like it will be really bad

      • djcoastermark

        And Gayport, as it is called is very low lying.

        • Daniel Fishback

          We’re at 18 feet above So hopefully…not much choice now

          • DaddyRay

            When is high tide?

          • Daniel Fishback

            4 am

  • JoeMyGod

    New thread above folks. Sorry for the late start this morning – I’ve been on the phone with my logicals and biologicals back home.

    • SoCalGal20

      No worries, Joe! Thank you for the new thread.

  • Acronym Jim

    Is there a reason the first video’s initial screengrab shows a giant chicken head at the eye of the storm?

    Where is PickyPecker?

    • billbear1961

      He’s not riding the storm!

  • billbear1961

    Who’s in Florida? Homo Erectus, dj the kid, Tampadink and Zeke, Paul in Leesburg (who’s in ORLANDO, not Leesburg!), Hank. Who else? I’m sure I’m forgetting someone!

    Has Mark finally left Guadeloupe for JFK, or JFK for New Mexico?

    • DaddyRay

      Come on over to the new thread BB

      • billbear1961

        Will do!

      • TrollopeReader

        {TR scurries over in glee to the new thread}

  • SommerAArmstrong

    Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family!!!
    on saturday I bought a gorgeous Honda from making $9708 this-past/4 weeks and would you believe, 10k last munth . with-out any doubt it’s the easiest-job I’ve ever had . I started this five months/ago and pretty much straight away startad bringin home over $86 per hour . why not look herehttp://GoogleFinancialJobsCash40TopNet/GetPay$97/Hour…….

    • kareemachan

      Gee imagine these ghouls trying to make a quick buck in this situation.

      Silflay embleer hraka.

  • Jmdintpa